If Christianity is indeed the way, the truth and the life and presumably, a universal fact, then why for almost millions of years now do Christians still unable to convert all the people in the world to embrace this supposedly universal fact? On the contrary, it even stirred up more resistance against the secular world. Do Christian teachers have a problem with their semantic ability? Where they not credible enough to teach? Or is Christianity simply a fabricated truth? What do you think?
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"the basic tenets of what the bible teaches must be established." AMEN!
And they have been IN HIS WORD (II Pet1:3)!
READ my response (WORD)! It's so "simple!" IT'S in HIS WORD!
IICor11:3 "But I fear...ur minds are corrupted fm the simplicity.."
James, all ur arguments could be emphatically used also by others to defend their denominations but don't u think only one must triumph if only that is d universal truth? So why are Christians being overtaken by the Muslims, Atheists u think r hoax?
The bible teaches us that there will be a great "falling away" in these last days. Universal truth or not, people are going to believe what they want no matter who is in charge, because we have the free will to do so. It comes down to trust.
C: I thought ur last sentence was "the lust of the flesh!" Not sex but satisfying what "feels good" in what MOST preachers have "taught" via RELIGION!
Yes! Deception which is all one has w/o the HELP GOD told us to "SEEK FIRST" (Matt6:33)!
James, do u think God is to weak not to overpower freewill? freewill is sovereign but actionable. Many times he killed freewill of prophets and imposed only his will. And that great falling away He said He will take back if His People will repent.
No I do not think God is weak because he does not override our free will. Prophets were special people in the right place at the right time, who obeyed God of their own free will, not in spite of it.
If God let man do his free will, man will walk away from God because the carnal mind is hostile against God. Man walks opposite so God need to do a lot of breaking man's spirit to finally bring man into surrender and obedience.
NO ONE knows GOD until one learns to "communicate" with HIM by "obeying" HIS LAST COMMAND "WAIT" (Acts1:4) otherwise "in the flesh" which is "enmity against GOD"(Rm8:7)!
ALL RELIGIONS w/o HOLY SPIRIT don't speak to GOD w/ONE MIND !
So if 1 waits, God will come to him? how long? when did that wait started & until when? do u know atheists hav waited for a thousand years til now but did He come? what did u do that made the Spirit respond on your wait that others didn't? pls sh
GOD is a HEART GOD! Your "SINCERITY" in "SEEKING" determines "how long!" You must MEAN WHAT YOU SAY to GOD for you can't LIE to the HOLY SPIRIT(Acts5:3)!
I love HIM for there are "no hypocrites" IN CHRIST!
Norine, even the devils tremble and believe. Christ said He who say He love me and not love his brethren is a liar, the truth is not in him.
Jm 2:19 says "Thou believest there is ONE GOD; THOU DOEST WELL: the devils ALSO believe, & tremble." The devils believe (as SOME) there is ONE GOD; "NOT HIS WORD" which says "the devils" believe better than MOST Christians who say 3 (Trinity) or
Norine, pls label T-true, F-false accdg to ur belief:
1 serve God
2 serv self
3 serv humanity
4 serve Christians
5 hate non-christians
6 sacrific self for others
7 hate devil
8 hate atheist
9 hate evolutionist
just curious if were same tnx
I "HATE" no one! As my child, I love ALL but HATE & "correct" actions! I BELIEVE there's a HELL & wouldn't want to see my DOG go there so I "correct" w/WORD! Did u see Paul n Gal2? He "stood him to the face" as we should when WRONG! Man sees
In this hierarchy in God's kingdom: Woman
Where is this in Scripture?
Gal 3:28 says "...there's neither male nor female... in Christ Jesus" so where did you come up with this?
If you can't speak to me from WORD (Is 8:20) only "dung!"
Excellent comment, Ceegan.
Proclaimed "Believers" DON'T "BELIEVE!"
GOD SAID *HE* would "lead&guide" into ALL TRUTH" but "WAIT" for HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT; they didn't & is why "Christians are unable to convert all the people in the world to embrace this universal FACT!"
Norine, aren't you forgetting about free will? If a person doesn't want to be converted, they wont. We're not forced into believing. Paul was full of the Holy Spirit, and he still couldn't convert everyone.
The Q asked "Professing Christians!" These have already (supposedly) made a choice!
Until we become a Spiritual Child of God, we are NOTHING! HE told us how (Acts 1:4) "WAIT" for the "PROMISE" (Jn14:26;16:13) but RELIGION has taught "scary!"
u mean d world conspired to persecute Christians i guess? Don't u think people hav this tendency but the truth is supposed to prevail in the end? So is it the Christians weak stand vs muslims that is causing it to fail or simply the will of God?
The issue is liberal secularists who ally with Muslims to attack Christians, afraid they'll become a theocratic state, ignoring Islam's multiple current theocratic states - and demands in the West for everyone else to conform to Islam's rules.
The issue is d degrading values of Christians which forced God to bring down punishment thru the secularist and Muslims. U dont expect God to just watch while his people are rebelling against his commandments. Americans prosper when obedient.
BD: Have you heard this before? "On these two "commandments" hang "ALL the LAW" and the PROPHETS?"
Just what are these "two commandments" BD?
Think about what you've said!
Norine, d first is Luv God wholeheartedly; 2nd Luv others as Jesus luv u. When God punish people because of the impending calamity ahead their sin entails, that is Luv of God for us so we dont get damned. now what did i say that conflicted these?
GOD "gave dominion" to man(Gen1:26)! HE'S "out of the way" on earth! Man will fulfill Bible for GOD doesn't LIE! Man does EVERYTHING himself ("secularist & Muslims")!
GOD "watches" (ICor3:19) as WE fulfill; desiring ALL reconcile to HIM(2Cor5:20
Norine, nothing hapen apart from God's will, else, He is not God. He spake, it was done. All things are created by His Word. There is no wisdom, knowledg, understanding against d lord. Everything obeys the will of God whether u knew it or not.
What does "dominion" mean? CONTROL! After speaking Gen1:26, GOD HIMSELF had to become a "man"(Jesus Christ) to have "dominion" on earth or HE would have been a LIAR!
God did not come down to hav dominion, He already hav it since alpha to omega. He came down to inform humanity of d arrival of His Son on d latter days to save d people from their sins. U think Christ would go out d streets indecently boasting self?
GOD is "SOVEREIGN" but HE has given us "dominion" on earth (Ps115:16) otherwise we'd have "NO CHOICE" (Josh24:15)!
If HE "WILLS" HE DOES but "CHOICE" on earth is up to us ("secularist" & "Muslims")!
HE (Christ;aka GOD) denied HIS authority comin
d dominion God gave to man is physical in nature & most of d time God dont intervene on this affairs w/ few exceptions. Humans are all spiritually dead and knew nothing to run a spiritual dominion. Only Christ have this credential.
You were talking secularists & Muslims which are "physical" when u said "The issue is d degrading values of Christians which forced God to bring down punishment thru the secularist and Muslims."
Norine, did d Spirit gave u authority to judge that secularist and muslim r physical but ur sect, spiritual? beware, d devil might ensnare u with his divide and conquer strategy. U can never say anything against anybody unless u be on their shoes.
I have NO AUTHORITY to "judge" ANYONE but GOD DOES ("And the WORD was GOD; Jn1:1)! "THE WORD "IS" GOD!"
READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging" to find TRUTH re: "Judging" from Scripture!
Norine, w/ minimum words, what message can u give to d World that can make their views positive towards God and Christianity and help peoples lives? Say why we should abide by it? Is Christianity a comfortable way of life or a painful sacrifice?
HE DIED FOR US(Jn15:13) would u? WE "OWE" HIM! Then HE gave us the GIFT of GRACE making it easy to reconcile unto HIM if we
"BELIEVE" (IICor4:13-18;5;6;7++++)! It's like chocolate I can't stop reading the Chapters! lol
LORD I pray!
So the tendency of a Woman is to evolve to a Man as she mature and a Man will only accept God once called upon by Christ. If u r a Christian who cannot persuade an atheist, that means u r spiritual Woman. Atheist can be persuaded by Christ alone.
PLEASE "Don't speak to me without giving Scripture" (Is8:20) for your belief!
Where does it say women change to men in Scripture?
This is an ALL SPIRITUAL journey ; NOTHING of flesh (Rm8:8)!
All i said are scriptural and more but typical Christians cant understand because they cannot go outside their belief (blind). Open minded people can understand. Christians need to educate, upgrade, chase d truth of God not just ask for scripture
If u follow the "CHRONOLOGICAL EVENTS" of the Bible, u'll see JESUS came,made PROMISE, DIED,asked us to WAIT, sent PROMISE,used the PROMISE to speak to us, chose Paul to CONTINUE FOR HIM! Now, that's UPGRADING! U call that a "typical Christian?"
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"WAIT" (Acts 1:4) then "Yoke is easy & burdens are light" (Matt11:30)!
Keep "pressing" (Phil3:14)!
I agree Sir that it is 1 Big problem for immature people but simply not being quick at judging others will not offset the convictions needed to persuade people that there is a divine God & Son judging the world; the holy grail of Christianity.
I suggest you BOTH read my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging" to find "GOD LOVES JUDGMENT" but ONLY from HIS WORD & you're really calling GOD a LIAR after you see how many Scriptures say that HE DOES LOVE JUDGMENT!
Tnx Norine I will find time to read. :)
Find time to READ "quickly" before another comment is posted stating "We should NOT "judge!"
I hav read it but I don't know. U said well not to argue w/out Word then started arguing like one of those typical Christians. AF came w/ arguments as good as yours. The 2 of you argue to know Christ better. In d end, one believed only himself. idk..
If n WORD & u don't know, something's wrong!
If u THINK we are still under LAW, something wrong!
When WORD is given stating apostles "corrected" each other & u see as "arguing," something's wrong!
WORD is"someone," WRONG
Examine urself (IICo
God hav diff levels of access to His Word. Typical Christians like u can only access the 1st. Educated/evolutionist/atheist can go thru the 2nd. The Angels hav access on the 3rd. D 4th level can only be unsealed by His anointed. Above it, God alone.
I'm not a "typical Christian" but a Disciple of Christ!
WORD is available to ALL & ONLY "GOD DRAWS" (Jn6:44)!
Give Scripture for Levels 1,2,3,4etc!
God's Word can penetrate through my deepest soul causing me to tremble and repent. That's how powerful it is to me. I can tell whether what ur saying is God inspired or merely borrowed verses for d sake of arguments. Typical Christians r like that.
When WORD is against 1's belief="arguing" to them! "STUDY" WORD! I'm 2 old to be LYING why I give WORD! Follow "events" given above for TRUTH! NO more LAW (Hebrews) but "GRACE!" UPGRADED!
ANYONE under LAW is "ACCURSED"(Gal1-6-9)! Jer31:33;Heb8:10NC
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Angele,the Sabbath was a day of rest in OT which was "a figure of things to come" in NT! We have "Sabbath" (rest) EVERYDAY in HIS WORD under NC:Heb4:11 "Let us "LABOR TO REST" in HIS PROMISES or "unbelief!"
GOD DOESN'T REST(Prov15:3)
Sabbath is a sign for d Israel who abandoned it & lost identity. Spiritually, it means on the 7th millennia, all human effort must now stop & give way to Christ who is d Lord of it. Sabbath- many benefits to us in real life. Bottom line - Tru
God rested on the seventh day. He has a chosen people - the Hebrews (Jews, Israelites). Commandments given to Hebrews. Jesus lord of the Sabbath. Jews must call Jesus Lord, or suffer the punishment of the Laws. (Read the book of Romans on you-tube)
Sabbath was a "carnal ordinance" (Heb9:9-14) which Christ fulfilled via shedding HIS blood! READ Book of Hebrews!
Fulfilled communion, water baptism & Sabbath!
"Figure of things to come" = CHRIST!
The Sabbath was fulfilled, but not done away with Norine. We're not to judge anyone one way or another on the issue of celebrating or not celebrating the holy days. The Sabbath is very important, seeing as how it is one of ten commandments.
The Sabbath was FULFILLED under the New Covenant as were other "carnal ordinances" (Heb9:9-10)! IF "in Christ" EVERYDAY we "rest" (aka rely) on HIS PROMISES (Heb4:11)!
Don't judge which "days"(carnal;Col2:16)but"assemble"(Heb10:25)!
I noticed you can't find a passage which says we're not to celebrate the Sabbath, right? Not one jot or tittle will in any wise PASS from the law, until ALL be fulfilled. Not all has been fulfilled; the end is not yet.
What do u mean "HIS BLOOD" has "NOT" FULFILLED "ALL?" Is HE going to ADD more for us? It's TOO late after HE returns!
"ALL" has been FULFILLED for man & instructions given! The rest SPIRITUAL!
HE "HAS" DONE IT "ALL!"
Read Hebrews 9:11!
Until heaven and earth pass away, not a single word will pass away, and the word of God is LAW. This is not the "new heaven and new earth" we were promised, otherwise there would be no need for Revelation if "all" were fulfilled. Right?
Rev is "things to come" in SPIRIT!
ALL"has been" FULFILLED for man's salvation thru the "shedding of HIS BLOOD!"
Heb9:11 tells us"it's not about a "building" to "remember the Sabbath!"
Heb9:14"Christ's blood purges us from "DEAD WORKS!"
Works are only dead if you have no faith. There is no harm in celebrating the Sabbath with honor and reverence towards God. Show me a verse that explicitly or implicitly states we're not to celebrate the Sabbath? You won't find one for good reason.
R u "READING" Heb? Didn't 9:11 say "not a building?" Didn't8:2 say "the Lord pitched,not man?" Didn't8:5 say "example" & Moses tried (like u) & was "admonished?" Didn't8:6 say "better covenant?"
This is a SPIRITUAL covenant & "flesh can'
So why did Paul observe the Sabbath, after being saved? Preaching in the synagogue on the Sabbath, in the book of Acts? Ever read Colossians ch2 v16? Why judgest thou me? Are you better than people who do celebrate the Sabbath?
Where Majority were assembled to preach "Gospel of Christ" not for "Sabbath!"
GOD SAYS "EVERYDAY" ("REST" in HIS PROMISES) so ANY DAY OK w/me!
READ HEBREWS! Heb7:12;18 "disannulling of the [Sabbath] commandment!"
READ Book of HEBREWS!
Nowhere are the commandments null and void. Nothing of the law shall in any wise pass until all be fulfilled. Revelations has yet to be fulfilled, therefore the law is still in effect, yet we are not under the law. How is this so?
I can ONLY give u WORD! Heb7:18 says [Sabbath] "disannulled!" HE "now" puts his laws in our hearts & minds"(Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16) under NEW COVENANT! MOST still under OC & can't do BOTH (Gal4)! I wish I knew how to "create a forum!" Would u
Thou shalt not kill, and yet, God commanded many should be put to death. How is this reconciled under the New Covenant?
No one is worthy to enforce a law they have broken. We can not put anyone to death. God can.
We are not yet in the NC but OT. NC is much diff. than what we see today and NC will happen at the coming of Christ in these last days. The Devil deceived us that we're now in NC. It is God who came 2000 yrs ago. Christ is just about to come
PLEASE "Create a Forum!"
We ARE under NC or "Christ died in vain" (Gal 2:21)! NC "ALL SPIRITUAL" & we now "KILL" one's spirit via "false doctrines!"
BDN: GOD did come; "manifested as Christ" (II Tim3:16)! We ARE under NC!
READ HEBREWS then TALK!
Problem w/ Christians is Muslim knows Christianity better than Christians. All things will be fulfilled in d Son as prophesied by His Father 2k yrs ago. He will not die in vain. He just didn't died yet. It's His Father who died to redeem His Son
"CORRECTION:" I Tim 3:16!
Do u believe Bible? If so, why would Christ say "I will come AGAIN" (Jn14:3) if HE'S not come BEFORE?
You listen to Muhammad & not GOD! Quran(112:3) "God begets not..." How since HE is CREATOR of ALL+HIS Son?
It was not Christ who said that but His Father mimicking His Son who is going to arrive soon after Him. I have created a forum for u if u think this is not enough. He said, He who seen me have seen d Father. & do prophets prophesy of themselves?
Well, who was born of the virgin Mary "AS OF" the Son of the only "BEGOTTEN" of the Father?
GOD did "prophesy" of HIMSELF through the Prophets! REMEMBER: There's ONE GOD who "MANIFESTS" HIMSELF into ANYTHING at the SAME TIME; if HE DESIRES=GOD!
Norine, when Disciples of Christ speak, all the people melt in shame, even demons tremble. So why is this not the case for current Christians? Did d 2nd law of entropy degraded also God's word? Why has it not withstood the test of time?What hapened?
READ AGAIN! They didn't OBEY HIS "LAST" COMMAND which shows NO LOVE FOR JESUS & lack of POWER(1 MIND)!
The WORD has "withstood the test of time" AND Scripture WILL FULFILL ITSELF (Matt7:13)!
GOD sent me to "WARN" ALL ; "HE'S TIRED" (Col 1:25-29)
Norine, no matter how hard u follow Christ, u will never achieve that level necessary to qualify His Kingdom. Did He not say "nobody can come to me except d father which hath sent me draws him"? Most claim they are, but in truth are not Christians.
How can 1 go wrong IF he has "obeyed" HIS "LAST COMMANDMENT" to obtain THE "Communication Line" to HIM which "draws" 1 to HIM? Once 1 "obeys," he IS "in HIS kingdom!"
The ONLY way "the Father draws" is IF 1 "WAITS" for HELP fm the HOLY SPIRIT!
Norine, u can never tell if it is God or d Devil who is at the other end of communication line. God said on the latter days, the devil himself will transform to an angel of light. U r dealing w/ entities who are on d higher plane of human existence.
You will KNOW (Jn10:27) HE'LL let u KNOW! Ex: Dreamed a dream in Bible but didn't know there; healing Stage IV cancer, On HP Jewish guy CONFIRMED exactly what GOD told me, understanding what HIS WORD means, etc! I could go on & on but limited rm
The one who is being called can one day prove that he is through vigilance and continuous assessment of character/spiritual improvement but he who is deceived doesn't have the slightest idea that he is in darkness unless God moves to enlighten him.
That's "precisely" the point of being "connected" to HIS SPIRIT! HE gives the Spirit of Discernment! Why do you think HE "commanded" us to "SEEK [HIS SPIRIT] "FIRST"(Matt6:33); to "WAIT"(Acts 1:4); to "put on the whole armour of GOD(Eph6:10-12)?
Norine, what r the process thru which one may obtain the spirit of discernment from God? And even if u r able to obtain that spirit, u will only learn how evil truly u are. There are parametric thru w/c a true christian can b known. what r those?
Go to GOD w/a pure heart (Matt5:8) & "Ask" (Jn14:13-14) for HIS SPIRIT which gives discernment; especially IN HIS WORD! Fast & pray when "Seeking HIS FACE!" One MUST "give up" to "GET" from GOD!
Less me = MORE GOD!
Get on your face w/SINC
How can 1 obtain a pure heart so he can go to God not rejected? How about those whom Christ said many desired to see the things u hav seen but weren't able to. U think that's fair? Is it really the action of man or d action of God that draws near?
BELIEVE w/PURE SINCERITY! Anyone who DOUBTS doesn't have "a pure HEART!"
The action of GOD AFTER HE "looks @ one's heart!"
to err is human, how much more to doubt? didn't peter doubted and sunk but did Christ let go or pulled him up? tell me, who among the disciples of Christ have that pure heart w/ no doubt?
That's why he sunk "DOUBT ENTERED" or he starting "thinking" (flesh) of what he was actually doing! GOD knew his heart & "got him!"
Who knows the heart BUT GOD!
Going out of town 2day! Talk to u upon return!
Have a blessed day!
Christians & all religious are d spiritual Woman of God. The Educated/atheist ones are God's spiritual Male. Then there's d Devil who is constantly deceiving both to make them fight one another. God appointed one who is going to restore everythin
You MUST speak from WORD!
Where does it say this in Scripture?
Norine, remember how God did not allow Abraham to kill Isaac? God will provide His own Lamb. In fact, He did not reveal to anyone that it is Him who volunteered to save us all. That makes Him the greatest. His Son will then follow his lead.
You believe HE has 'a Son' yet your Quran says "GOD never begets..." (112:3)?
You see? Man-made religion KILLS! Contradictory! You MUST "connect" to the SPIRIT of GOD for TRUTH!
When He is about to die in d cross, He said hereafter, you will see d son of man come in clouds w/ power and great glory. God took the burden of dying so His Son could be freed from Sin and rule in His behalf. But the Son has His own cross to carry
Yes "God took the burden of dying" (Acts 20:28) but "AS OF" (or in THE GLORY OF) the only "BEGOTTEN" of the Father (aka Jesus Christ;Jn1:14)! GOD IS A SPIRIT (Jn 4:23-24) who OPERATES IN "GLORIES" at SAME TIME and/or in ANY FORM!
There are NO "contradictions!" OC=physical v NC=Spiritual! Tower of Babble=RELIGION! Exd20:13=Kill one's Spirit+! Exd32:37=Kill RELIGION via "correcting!" Exd35:2=Heb4:11;Eph2:8-9 or death!
Old Cov (physical) v New Cov (Spiritual)! FASCINATING!
DS, the reason why people refused to believe Christ to be the one is because He did not manifested himself the way people wanted him to. Instead, he surrendered from the will of his father, the devil quick to take this advantage coz people are naive
But GOD is merciful & has sent us HELP but Satan has taught MOST via RELIGION to ignore HIS "LAST COMMANDMENT" remaining "naive!"
Norine, Not sure how you can say there's no contradiction when in the very same book of Exodus God says: "Thy shall not kill" and a few chapters later he orders Moses to kill. (That's flip flopping). No one believes the NC eliminates 10 Command
MOST are already DEAD (Spiritually) to GOD(Eph2:1) just "sucking up air" which HE allows via GRACE under NC but would've KILLED under OC! Therefore, "no contradiction!"
10 C's are newcomers "Schoolmaster" (Gal3:24-25) & not needed AFTER "FAITH
Norine, d Bible said on the last days wickedness will increase causing d luv of many to wax cold. What pleasing actions to God must a Christian do to warm the hearts of many so they will not perish? Or is that even a Christian's obligation?
Yes "obligated" via "commandment" (Matt28:19;24:14;Lk24:17) & If we love HIM; we keep(Jn14:15)! GOD can only"draw"(Jn6:44) we "plant seed"(ICor3:6)!
U say "IDK?" No OPEN HEART! MUST "BELIEVE SCRIPTURE"(2Cor4:13:Rm4:17) & "connect" for TRUTH!
Among God's creation, the woman (not literal) is most prone to Satan's deception. Man (Professionals) are stronger but swayed only out of his love for Eve (Woman). Christ will soon rule everybody w/ Satan rendered powerless, because He's Son of God.
U are saying woman is represented (metaphor) as "doubt" or an "unbeliever?"
Scripture says "But by one "MAN" sin entered the world" (Rm5:19)!
BOTH "man" to GOD but Eve WO-man which is less & represents "doubt?"