This is where "Christians" and the rest of the population are similar, they all lie to their children about Santa and that seems dangerous! Jesus Christ hates lies, so why do people do it on His so-called birthday?
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Have a Blessed New Year!
Without truth you cannot know or love God. Rationalization from the angel of light is not something to base your future on. To say you have to lie for a child to be happy is telling. Teaching children to accept lies is also a bad foundation.
Go study "GRACE" Rich!
Happy New Year!
Rich, I could just as easily argue that I think telling children god is real is a lie, but I don't think it's an ill-intentioned one so I'm not about to speak against it. I think we all love our kids and have their best interests at heart.
Lets see the grace of God is so that I can be a liar. Incorrect implication Norine. You have this dark notion that you can be a sinner and not repent and all will be well, it is you that needs to study. Sad you are still the same old Norine, Change.
If Rm8:1 says "There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk NOT after the flesh, BUT after the Spirit."
Now let go of that "flesh" & get in the Spirit; THEN you'll "see!"
Go "STUDY" - GRACE!
Great answer. I. Told my boys that when I stopped believing he stopped delivering presents. The eldest is now 40. Each year they assure me that they still believe. And Santa continues to deliver.
I'd fire anyone who assumed the responsibilities of parenting my child when they were only hired to care for them.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things" (ICor13:11)!
Happy New Year!
Christians believe in "an holy day" (aka Christ's B-Day)!
"Vengeance is *MINE* saith the LORD" (Rm12:19)! "The first will be last & the last first" (Matt20:16) and "I BELIEVE!"
It ain't over till the fat lady sings! lol
Don't think ppl "stupid
Nothing you've mentioned here has anything to do with Santa Claus
Aime, It has everything to do with it. Santa Claus springs from the same perverted and soulless mental landscape as the other lies I have mentioned. It is a polluted well which needs to be sealed forever. U can move to a higher plane. Let it be.
Or... I'll continue to think of it as childhood fun. No need to attach the ridiculously heavy associations you've suggested. Sometimes a Santa is just a Santa.
Look at the world Aime. Look at the pain. Then ask yourself how Santa Claus has helped the children of Aleppo, or the children of Flint. It is our preoccupation with materialism, 24/7 x 365 that perpetuates such misery. I am your champion.
You are not my champion, I find you to be absolutely nauseating.
Does everything you do every moment of the day help alleviate the world's pain? Rhetorical question, I know it doesn't. I'm gonna let my kiddo be a kid while she can, thanks.
If U suffer from nausea it may be due to dehydration. Yes, that is my purpose, to alleviate the suffering of the world. But I am only one entity. As long as the world at large engages in trivial pursuits, my goals cannot be accomplished.
I think it's incredibly unfair to assume that anyone who lets their kids believe in Santa has no interest in making the world a better place. As usual you're just talking down to everyone, which imo does not help make the world a better place at all
Have not insulted U. But U insult me and follow with I am talking down to U. The truth is often a bitter pill. Many Northerners were against slavery. But they still bought the cotton . There is no innocence in complicity. We lay in the bed we make.
You insult people's intelligence and intentions all the time. Constantly. I actually don't think I've ever seen you have a discussion with anyone where that wasn't the case.
When people, without protest, pay taxes that buy the weapons that kill children in Syria and Palestine, and then turn around and celebrate Christmas, what do U feel they deserve? A medal?
So... I'm supposed to take things away from my child and limit her happiness because there are terrible things happening in the world?
No! Get together with your community and boycott the greedy Capitalists who promote the wars and create the poverty. Stop giving them your money . Pay the toy makers among you to make the toys. Prepare a feast and celebrate an end to tyranny.
Celebrating Christmas and doing things to help the world/the people in it are not mutually exclusive. I already do things that I believe have a positive impact. They may not be your things, but there is not only one way to make a difference.
In theory perhaps. But in practice, Christmas is the crowning achievement of Capitalism.An insidious way of addicting children to materialism, and of equating money with goodness. John Gacy also had a positive impact when he performed as a clown.
That's not what it has to be about.
That's what it "is" about. Average American spends $700 on gifts and holiday extras; totaling $465 billion dollars says the National Retail Federation. A good portion of that money serves to make the rich even richer. A disgusting orgy of greed.
Dashing, you excel at speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Beyond that, What is your point? Are you pointing out Wiseman's cynicism, but not your atheist friends, Tess and Aime. You have claimed to be a Christian. For once, try owning it.
Savvydating, You have been misinformed I have NEVER claimed to be a Christian! I personally don't align myself with any organized religion. I am however a "student" of history.
My only point is people want their kids to enjoy Christmas!
I thought you had made that claim some time ago. If not, then I apologize. Your answers are consistently secular, thus my confusion. Merry Christmas.
Wow! So many nasty remarks. What have I stumbled onto here? Although the original question did kind of fall into the "When did you stop beating your wife" category.
Sounds like we're in agreement. What I said was:
"People want their children to enjoy their childhoods!"
I'm not sure why I seem to get under your skin so much.
It's not the first time you've felt a need to slam my opinion.
My bad, dashing and Aime. Neither of you are actively ruining children's fun. Sounds like you believe in letting them use their imaginations. Believing in Santa is a harmless thing, which brings little children a lot of joy & happy dreams.
It really depends on people's perception: if you have judged Santa to be a bad lie, then he is. If you've judged him to be a childhood fairytale that can enrich lives, he is. 'Truth' & our response to it is as relative as anything, like religions
Where've you been? Did you enjoy? Missed you!
Girl, he asked "Why Christians" not peeps' perceptions in general!
Have a Blessed New Year in which WORD vs "perception!" lol
My heart is already full of Jesus, no room for the fat guy/lady!
Off the record: Hats off to both of you: NMLady & Team Wiseman : )
It's ALL about JESUS!
"And WHATSOEVER you do in word or "deed" ("respect of an holy day" Col2:16) do ALL in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS..." (Col3:17)!
Why am I FREE to call you a FOOL cuz my BELIEF says imitate JESUS (Matt23) when u can't @ work? CONTROL what?
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY" (IICor3:17)!
Happy New Year!
Go read Jeremiah 10:4, God has already gave His opinion of mans traditions. He hates our so called holidays! You have been served the Truth.
If GOD SAID "Let no man JUDGE you of "an holy day" nor the Sabbath days (& HE knows our hearts), we better leave it alone! If GOD "sees" we're only doing as Jer10, we'll be rewarded!
MOST important:GOD SAID "Don't JUDGE an holy day or Sabbath d
Well, that's good news for every serial killer and rapist. What right do we have to judge them and put them in prison? Maybe they were abused as children. And what right do we have to judge the racist and challenge segregation? Ignorance is a sin.
GOD LOVES JUDGMENT but SPECIFICALLY said "Let no man JUDGE one in respect of "an holy day or Sabbath days" (Col2:16)! How else can HIS WORD "correct" w/o "JUDGING?"
Yes' "IGNORANCE is a "SIN!"
Ditto! Very well put.
"And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Col3:17)!
Happy New Year!
Imagination is not cultivated by a lie, but by freedom; the freedom to explore, and to create our own fiction, and to discover our own truth. If the rest of U had an imagination U wouldn't being paying taxes and funding wars that kill children.
JESUS even "paid taxes" (Matt17:27) that "funded Romans" who killed him! Should we differ?
Afterwards HE commanded us to "Obey the laws of the land" (Rm13:1-14)!
"The battle is not ours, it's the Lords" (II Chronicles 2:15)!
Sorry Norine, Jesus never commanded me to pay immoral taxes to support Imperialism and the killing of children. Jesus commanded us to fight against evil and temptation, not to lie down with the devil.
We FOLLOW *HIM!" If *HE* did, it's done; I *WILL!*
Jesus was not a rebellious citizen! HE didn't "come to CHANGE the law," but to fulfill" (Matt5:17-20) & until u "CONNECT" u won't know what law!
Jesus was an anarchist, and nothing but rebellion against tyranny. He mocked the status quo, which is why he said: "Render therefore unto Caesar ..." In other words , "Give the monkey his shiny trinket!" He who does not stand against evil, is evil
He who causes his brother to stumble "is evil!"
Gen1:26 He gave "dominion" to "all" MAN! Remember HE was "man" & GOD!
It is not the fantasy that is the problem. But it is the context in which that fantasy is played out.Within the context of Capitalism, it promotes selfishness, materialism, and greed. Like water on a rock, over time the effect is devastating.
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Yes "JOY!" EVERYDAY is "Christmas" ("JOY") IF "IN" Christ Jesus! EVERYDAY is The Sabbath ("rest") IF "IN" Christ Jesus! "Let us LABOR therefore to enter into THAT "rest"..." (Heb4:11) in HIS PROMISES; therefore EVERYDAY is The Sabbath IF we "rest"
Not a LIE according to Col2:16; "an holy day!"
Just another way for Satan to "TRY" to undermind "Christianity!"
One lie only leads to another. There is no happiness in materialism, only the learning of selfishness and greed.
How can *you* call what "Christians" have designated as "an holy day" A LIE? Col2:16 says "respect of an holy day;" JUDGE NOT!" Why JUDGE?
Rm14:5 "One man esteemeth one day above another:...let every man be persuaded in HIS OWN MIND!"
Col2:8 "Let NO MAN therefore JUDGE you...in "respect" of "an holy day..." Wouldn't you say giving "respect" to the birth of Christ (12/25) is what men established as "an holy day?"
IF 'the world' "proclaims 12/25 as "an holy day," how much more..
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