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Can another person decide who is and is not a Christian?


I will just leave it at that. I am really interested about views on this. Thank you if you would write a note.

 

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    What a very common cents answer. Thank you for sharing it.


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 8 months ago

    I thought this was a pretty good answer. Neat how we get the righteous, judgmental rantings of Norine to make sure that even Christians are good & judged. Its so harmful & NOT Jesus' main message to embrace that 1 so wholeheartedly.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Well Mr. Bueno, I would venture and wager, that by your standards you are neither a Christian. I reckon that time you took a double take that was lust and covetness.


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    Tim Mitchell (tsmog) 8 months ago

    Thank you for the comment Norine. However, I take umbrage with being rebuked. You do not know if I read/study the Word. Enough said.


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    Aime (Aime F) 8 months ago

    Not everyone interprets things the same way.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Very interesting. The title is truly an undeserved position in anyone I know. I fear most for those who I do know that simply do not have the capacity to do the work required. God does not give the gift of self discipline to everyone. Reproof?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Thank you, that is a very good "should" answer. What do you think about "could"?

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Interesting. I have never met a Christian then.

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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 8 months ago

    The bible is not the word of God. The WORD is SPIRIT. The bible did not always exist & it will not always exist. It will turn to dust with the rest of the relics of this civilization someday. God doesn't need a book to speak thru or to his own.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    That seems so cut and dried that there would be no question. Probably a Billion more people on earth than when Saul went around killing disciples. But for sure the same genocidal type maniac. Then Paul or Saul are as bad and un-Christian as Hitler?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Thank you for your interpretation of what a Christian is.

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    Terrie Lynn (Terrielynn1) 8 months ago

    Norine, I don't listen to man. Read what I wrote again. Using scripture to hurt others isn't what god said. That's not our place. But by living by what we believe and say shows others the power god can have in our lives. It's easier to reach people a


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Daniel that is very well put. You strike at the least of the accords we give others. It is not full on agape love, but it works without precluding it and that is a good level to be on. Maybe "love but verify". Thanks


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Awesom John succinct and right on.

    So John I am working on a notion that this Christian (know me by my fruits) issue is stand up right. Maybe not our obvious actions but our act of some sort of contrition. Always trying to engage in doing better.

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    Gwenneth Leane 7 months ago

    I would like to add that Christianity is a great moral lifestyle but being a Christian is having a relationship with Christ. Christ in us and we in Christ. Everyone can be a Christ but not everyone has a personal relationship with Christ


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 8 months ago

    There's that fruit verse I keep taking about for you, Norine. What do your 'fruits' bear in places like this? Did Jesus make peeps fishers of men or JUDGES of them? You are judged every time you judge: that's Y U get REBUKES in return.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    It seems quite clear that if we see someone without any love then probably not. Love is not just an action it is a being. Not just a feeling but something more.

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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 8 months ago

    Do the words 'plank out of your own eye' ring a bell? Judgment without LOVE is not how God judges. There is more to our words & actions beyond the saying & doing of them. God judges intentions as much as anything.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    That is really cool. You sure are good with the shorthand. I like it. And your all caps are appropriate. And your message is very well put. I am not overly concerned with the half painful wit folks use. Your answer reflects Christian values I think.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I imagine you know what that walk is. That kind of is implied in the question. Are you able to judge another man's walk?

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Good point. But I may know more about them by this than by the words out of their mouth. Good to ponder this.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    As you say this is clear "all men will know you follow Him if you love one another." So the rest is Pauline Doctrine, and the degree of love is left to opinion of man. Of course heaven attendees are up to God.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Thank you. You have several good points. For some reason your answer made me think of "group think". It does seem to be we really most often think "he does not act like WE think he should". I think the love speak by Christ is a new commandment.


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    Kiss andTales 7 months ago

    Alan I understand you very well.

    But I must admit a treasure can be stolen because people may focus and listen to the people who are trying to still it from you. Instead of focusing on why they are a stublung block.

    Focus on what is the treasure.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Hi Nicole, it is good to hear from you. It just hit me; Do I go to church because I am Christian? I will have to think about what you said here. Maybe I go to become Christian? I wonder if that makes sense.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    We come to believe there is only one true God. A Christian God perhaps. But who would be so presumptuous that our God cannot take other forms. Perhaps a Christian is one who thinks God is limited to their God?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    I get this John in the positive - he is Christian because of his actions. But it is a leap to say because he sins he is not. See my point?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I missed this earlier. As the Methodists say "even a Baptist could be a Christian" (yes that is a joke because Baptists are far more strict)

    I think your overall message is very good and sound. Thank you

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Well if a baseball player is only hitting 333 is he still a baseball player? Your point seems straight forward but suggests a certain perfection required. But of course you are right in general.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I think there is much to this approach. "The Imperfect Christian". Let me ask you if a person is not perfect in Christ or what is called "above reproach" can they correctly "instruct/argue/plead - reproach another Christian?

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    You raise a very important issue here. Your position is clear. But what about the flip side? I got my wife and children and buddies to keep me in check. They step up and speak up if they see error. We may not agree but we have the talk - that is good


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Michelle that is a nice sentiment. As long as you restrict it to; and they do no harm to others. What is that one church - Hillsboro?


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    Kiss andTales 7 months ago

    Joyce you telling the truth , but look at the world now who claim their christain. Its not a pretty picture. People kill in the name , Jesus did not,

    People hate in the name Jesus did not

    Decieve in the name Jesus did not .

    Works validate truth.


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    gyanendra mocktan 6 months ago

    Yes, God is the ultimate answer. \We need to surrender to Him. Why judge our fellow beings?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 6 months ago

    This crossover with Catholicism is really interesting. So much is just accepted by Protestants that is Catholic and not scripture. In fact, for sure what books are in the Bible.Thanks for you very cool comment.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Great Steven! That really resonates. A fun one: My brother read about treating other as you would like -- he bought my mom a baseball glove for mother's day. Perhaps being literal is not so good '-)


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    I like it. Kind of an "everybody knows, nobody knows". Your answer begs the question -- Can we even decide if we are Christian or not.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Well made point.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Doesn't this beg the question as to whether our hearts can see into each other? Maybe not a "decision" but a "know".


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    manatita44 7 months ago

    Tom,

    A girl at Open Mic said my poetry was hallucinatory, crazy, disturbing ... the Compere intervened and said I was probably one of the sanest guys he knew.

    I commend you, as you're probably one of the sanest I know here. Loving thoughts.


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    Elijah A Alexander Jr (The0NatureBoy) 6 months ago

    By understanding Acts 11:19-26 defines Christian as "Like Christ" who had forsaken everything the world had to offer Mat. 19:29 and many other of his teachings unless he instructed us to do what he had not done.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    My worry along these lines is that of why one appears not Christian. I assume that for a lot of reasons one does not act Christian. The notion of an addict that just cannot help themselves. What of Paul's "thorn"?

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I would hope that this position is held by most. For decisions of man this radical example is useful. What purpose of God could possibly be served by them?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Most assuredly correct we cannot decide "for" another. That is clearly their purview. But even if a person were to only take the four gospels as word there would be some rough guide so it is not really a "I worship the moon so I am Christian freefall


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    John it does seem that many think it is their way or the highway. I think it would be sad to stop growing in faith. How can they be absolutely right at 40 and hold exactly the same position at 60?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Good point. there are several religions that use appearances to set them apart. And many just within the Christian community.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 6 months ago

    Leah, this is a little too much - turn a blind eye approach. No one mentioned label but you. We are talking about "for you". Do you follow people who are not Christian? No. How do you know.


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 8 months ago

    Its strange how C's always try to distinguish themselves from each other - ie. they aren't 'real' Christians (or disciple of C) but *I* am. When I lost my religion, they insisted I wasn't saved to begin with. The answer determines judgement.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Pretty straight forward.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I think that that is a very valid point. If we see "Christian" as belonging to a religion then we have serious problems in identity. It seems it must be a personal chosen intent to follow the teachings not of a church but of Christ himself.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    That is what I thought also. But the twist comes in two forms. Decide for whom? And decide by scripture alone or with and in love? We are fortunate here to avoid the "God speaks to me so I know" comments. And I question whether "oneself" really knows


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Lolita, we will never escape the old pointing fingers at us for not acting like Christians by non-Christians. It is what it is. My favorite is that I am not allowed to get pissed off - not loving. My tongue is real sharp and dual edged. But so be it.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Interesting complete faith in the Pauline doctrine. You go even further that our Catechism. Some of us concentrate more on words of Jesus rather than a man who never walked with him. Yes I am pulling your chain a bit. But please explain.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    I think we should strive for meek and good. Sometimes difficult. I find your thought that we are either born Christian or not very interesting.

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    G. Diane Nelson Trotter (dianetrotter) 7 months ago

    That's why the Bible is critical. Many "sects" are considered cults. Your answer is a non-Christian answer. I don't mean it in a bad way. It is difficult, if not impossible, to critique what you don't know. Bible is authority of Christians.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Dasia do you ever look at a new acquaintance and judge if they are "safe" or too scary strange?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 6 months ago

    Definitely a personal choice Sydney. I think we all accept that.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Paul this is a really nice response. It reflects your peaceful good nature. I think through my children that notion of a bad act versus a bad person has been ingrained in me. We must judge actions and not people.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    What is your thought with your last paragraph?


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    Elijah A Alexander Jr (The0NatureBoy) 7 months ago

    Man [mind able to comprehend all things] in the likeness of god, once we overcome judging and become led of god are revealed differences judging man are unable to recognize, thus, reborn man should be able to determine when another is reborn.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Do you think those standards are universal or values we each have?

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 6 months ago

    Hi Charlie it is good to hear from you. I hope you continue to be blessed and bless others.

    I do not think there is much doubt here. We really do know based on our Spirit guided discernment, at least for ourselves.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    Bergen-Belson is little known, why do you take Ann Frank backwards. I appreciate anonymous as far as asking you not to post here again. I hope you get my request. Nobody has the name Frank Ann. And moving it around I feel is slander.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    That is a very interesting viewpoint for this question. Thank you


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Rich thank you for that very insightful answer. This morning I had a strange thought as our small family was getting ready for the day with banter and catching up. Is my wife a Christian? Ans: I just know that she is.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 7 months ago

    It is good you asked this question. Christianity is a religion based on the notion that Christ was/is God. Everything else about Christianity varies from one group to another. A Christian is not necessarily one who follows the religion.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Interesting. I suppose that is basically the meaning of "can".


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 6 months ago

    But would you not love me enough to tell me if I was astray?


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    Chris Mills (cam8510) 8 months ago

    I am happy to say that I have had my Troll Vaccine and no longer have a reaction nor will I ever communicate directly with a troll again here on HP.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Just a quick question on basic tenets. Is the Trinity one such tenet? Is perfection in following a tenet? Nicene Creed? Lord's prayer with Catholic insertions?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    I found that very interesting. You did great stitching in your own experience with very intelligent observations. I do not think that it matters much here but it might. We simply are not a Secular Democracy. At the very least we are a constitutional


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    Thanks. I have a little trouble with black and white notions here. I am not confident it is an all or nothing concept.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    I see your point but according to many many philosophers that is all any word is. All words are labels.

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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 8 months ago

    I do not believe this to be correct; "Subjective logic cannot lead to an objective inference." Of course it can. "To me" he stinks like booze. Objective inference - he has been drinking - the smell is subjective, drunk is objective.


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