Please note: If the request was made in the body of the text of the author the discussion was limited to believers I would not be responding-unless I had a question about something someone said and was seeking clarification. I have no problem with believers seeking private discussion. As it is an open forum the situation is different.
There is no 'Grace of God' to comprehend.
The concept of a Creator deity is so divorced from reality and is broken logic its only because of the Christians emotional needs they buy into the stone and bronze age rubbish.
Y'all are more than welcome to your malevolent superstition.
Several years ago a young lady had some observations about theism. I'm aware they'll be promptly dismissed with a platitude or two.
What do I dislike about theism?...Let me count the ways...
I dislike the hypocrisy,
and the lies.
I dislike the veneration of ignorance,
the glorification of idiocy,
the wild-eyed hatred of progress
and the fear of education, which send the faithful shrieking,
vampire-like, from the light of knowledge.
I dislike the way in which prejudice
is passed off as piety.
The way superstition is peddled as wisdom.
The way intolerance is raised to the lofty heights
I dislike how hatred is taught as love,
how fear is instilled as kindness,
how slavery is pressed as freedom,
and how contempt for life is dressed up and adored as spirituality.
[snip for length see Google Usenet Archives with the search string: What do I dislike about theism?...Let me count the ways... ]
Most of all, though, I dislike the certain knowledge
in one grotesque form or other,
will be with us so long as there is a single dark, cobwebbed corner
of the human imagination
that a believer can stuff a god into.