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5 Rational Arguments By An Atheist On God and Christianity

Updated on September 21, 2014
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Ms. Vincent is an M.B.A graduate, Business Consultant and health, wellness & natural healing enthusiast, who reads a lot on those subjects.

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From Atheism to Theism to Christianity

As an atheist or an agnostic, I am sure you are tired of people constantly forcing you to admit there is a God by pointing you towards creation and the magnificence of the forests, the brilliance of the sun, moon and stars etcetera. So this isn't my objective in this article.

What I want to do in this article is just present the arguments of "an exceptionally brilliant and logical" man - Clive Staples Lewis (C. S. Lewis) - who was considered so even before his conversion from atheism to theism and then to Christianity.

I will use just five (5) arguments and counter arguments to make my case with the support of C. S. Lewis.

The Screwtape Letters: With Screwtape Proposes a Toast
The Screwtape Letters: With Screwtape Proposes a Toast

This was the 1st C. S. Lewis book that I read and thus began my obsession with C. S. Lewis. Ha ha ha

This is a truly brilliant piece with mocking humor that you will surely enjoy!

 
Clive Staples Lewis - C. S. Lewis
Clive Staples Lewis - C. S. Lewis

A Little About C. S. Lewis

This Irishman, who was born in 1898 and died in 1963, was an atheist for many years until his "reluctant" conversion to Christianity in 1929 at the age of 31.

Following his conversion, he wrote over thirty (30) books based on Christianity, God and Christian living. He was considered the most influential Christian apologist of his time because of his numerous rational presentations in defense of Christianity.

WHY LISTEN TO C. S. LEWIS?

In the secular world, if we want to convince someone of how good something is, it is both rational and logical that we will get persons who have used the product or service to provide testimonials, or give reviews and ratings attesting to the virtues of the product or service.

Likewise, I have chosen C. S. Lewis as my advocate in this article since he was both atheist and Christian. Consequently, I think that as a previous atheist he understands your denial of God and having converted to Christianity he can present the requisite "testimonials" in favour of Christianity.

Added to that he was described as, "unique in arguing for truth and following an argument to its logical conclusion (Walter Hopper, Oxford, 1978)."

Mere Christianity
Mere Christianity

This book is for any Christian, no matter your denomination - Roman Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist or whatever else.

Here's one of his winning remarks for me within this book: "Now Faith, in the sense in which I am here using the word, is the art of holding on to things your reason has once accepted, in spite of your changing moods. For moods will change, whatever your reason takes. I know that by experience. Now that I am a Christian I do have moods in which the whole thing looks very probable: but when I was an atheist I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable. This rebellion of moods against your real self is going to come anyway" (C. S. Lewis).

 
Questioning look - Question marks
Questioning look - Question marks

Reasons for Atheism / Agnosticism and Arguments for Christianity

You may have become an atheist or an agnostic for any number of reasons:

* Watching the multitude of bad things happening to good people in the world.

* You just drifted away from religion or spirituality and don't believe in any particular thing.

* You experienced abuse by someone as a child and questioned where God was when it was happening.

* You're a person who strictly believes in facts, logic and reason and who likes visible and tangible proof.

* You've tried Christianity or God and it just doesn't seem to be working for you.

Whatever your reason(s), I hope you can look at these rational and logical arguments by C. S. Lewis, which I have accompanied with some of my own thoughts, not to convince you but to make you rethink your decision to become an atheist or an agnostic.

Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life
Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life

In this book, C. S. Lewis describes his early childhood, growing up years, college life at Oxford and final acceptance of God.

"In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed..."

 
Old Woman with uplifted hands in despair
Old Woman with uplifted hands in despair

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT No. 1

Agnostic/Atheist Statement No. 1:

If there is a God, how can God be a loving God when there is so much poverty, famine, drought, murders, abuse and injustice in this world!

C. S. Lewis Argument No. 1:

"The ancient man approached God (or even the gods) as the accused person approaches his judge. For the modern man the roles are reversed. He is the judge: God is in the dock. He is quite a kindly judge: if God should have a reasonable defense for being the god who permits war, poverty and disease, he is ready to listen to it. The trial may even end in God's acquittal. But the important thing is that man is on the Bench and God in the Dock" ('God in the Dock', C. S. Lewis).

This is a laughable but true analogy of how people sometimes attempt to justify their denial of God's existence or an excuse for why they neither believe nor disbelieve.

But the truth of the matter is that, "We are in no position to draw up maps of God's psychology, and prescribe limits to His interests. We would not do so even for a man whom we knew to be greater than ourselves. The [Christian] doctrine that God is Love and that He delights in men, are positive doctrines, not limiting doctrines. He is not less than this. What more He may be, we do not know; we know only that He must be more than we can conceive" ('God in the Dock', C. S. Lewis).

God in the Dock: Essays on Theology and Ethics
God in the Dock: Essays on Theology and Ethics

I use excerpts from this book in Argument No. 1 because it describes so perfectly how irreverent we have become to God.

Thinking of our 'modern' selves as somehow superior in our thought processes and rationalization as compared to God?!

 
The Problem of Pain
The Problem of Pain

C. S. Lewis examines human pain from many angles.He shows how much of our human pain is caused by us humans!

But he also shows that we most times need the pain of our circumstances and things in life going wrong for us in order to "turn our thoughts to God".

 

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Science lab equipment and apparatus

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT No. 2

Agnostic/Atheist Statement No. 2:

I am a man/woman of facts. I believe in science and matter not miracles and blind faith!

C. S. Lewis Argument No. 2:

"When a thing professes from the very outset to be a unique invasion of Nature by something from outside, increasing knowledge of Nature can never make it either more or less credible than it was in the beginning. In this sense it is mere confusion of thought to suppose that advancing science has made it harder for us to accept miracles" ('Miracles', C. S. Lewis).

Disproving something we have not seen with our own eyes doesn't mean it hasn't happened! I did not experience Hurricane Janet in 1955, because I was not born yet but many people, including my father, say it happened.

When the first set of animals were cloned, I did not see the cloning process myself and up until then no one believed that it was possible, but that does not mean it did not take place.

I am not saying that one should believe everything one hears. What I am saying is that so many people experiencing miracles around the world cannot be a farce.

Can't get enough C. S. Lewis? - More thought provoking writings!

A Grief Observed
A Grief Observed

Maybe you or someone you know is grappling with his/her faith after losing a loved one.

This book shares some of C.S. Lewis's honest reflection on the fundamental issues of life, death, and faith following the tragic death of his wife.

 
Miracles
Miracles

Miracles happen EVERYDAY!

This is a must read for scientists and "hard facts" skeptics. Don't try to use logic and reason to explain it away.

 
Stations of the Cross - Jesus falls the 1st time, 2nd time and 3rd time
Stations of the Cross - Jesus falls the 1st time, 2nd time and 3rd time

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT No. 3

Agnostic/Atheist Statement No. 3:

Look at how some "so-called" Christians live and behave. I lead a better life than most of them. I don't need God or Christianity to lead a good life!

C. S. Lewis Argument No. 3:

I have no doubt that this is true in many cases but as C. S. Lewis points out, "...a Christian is not a man who never goes wrong, but a man who is enabled to repent and pick himself up and begin over again after each stumble".

During Lent, which is a 50-day period to Easter when the Catholics engage in more avid prayer, fasting and alms giving, a weekly devotion called "Stations of the Cross" is undertaken by Catholics.

In this devotion, Catholics walk and make 14 stops (Stations of the Cross) to pray and reflect on 14 significant points in Jesus' journey to Calvary to be crucified on the Cross.

What is noteworthy is that in 3 of the 14 instances, Jesus falls. These three (3) falls are analogous to the life of most Christians. We fall down during our journey in life, maybe once maybe twice maybe 100 times, by virtue of immoral or sinful things we do, say or think, but we get up and keep trying to live out our Christian life as best we can with God's grace.

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The Four Loves
The Four Loves

An accurate and comprehensive description of 4 levels of love, including God's love for us - AGAPE!

 
C. S. Lewis Signature Classics: Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, A Grief Observed, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, and The Great Divorce (Boxed Set)
C. S. Lewis Signature Classics: Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, A Grief Observed, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, and The Great Divorce (Boxed Set)

This collection of C. S. Lewis books will make a great gift for a C. S. Lewis fan like myself or any Christian apologist (defender of Christianity).

 
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall - Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall - Humpty Dumpty had a great fall

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT No. 4

Agnostic/Atheist Statement No. 4:

I don't have any problems with Christianity or God. It's just that this God stuff isn't for me.

C. S. Lewis Argument No. 4:

As C. S. Lewis so succinctly states, "A man [or woman] can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell."

I think that to not believe in anything in particular is an even greater danger. So for the agnostic this means you're sitting on the fence; you are undecided. I or others may not like what you decide, but you must stand for something. Either you're a Democrat or a Republican, Communist or Capitalist, you agree or you don't agree.

If you continue to sit on the fence "or wall", you might just have a great fall as Humpty Dumpty because as Alexander Hamilton so aptly puts it, "Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything."

The Great Divorce
The Great Divorce

A fascinating account of HEAVEN and HELL by C. S. Lewis using allegory.

If you love fables and great story telling, you will definitely enjoy this one!

 
Lord, Is It Warfare? Teach Me to Stand: A Devotional Study on Spiritual Victory
Lord, Is It Warfare? Teach Me to Stand: A Devotional Study on Spiritual Victory

Maintaining your faith when all seems to be falling around us is a fight that all of us as Christians will experience at one time or another on our spiritual journey.

Encouragement through others is always welcome!

 
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Road sign - Wrong Way

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT No. 5

Agnostic/Atheist Statement No. 5:

"I think I can understand the point about Christianity but I've been an atheist or an agnostic for so long, I can't just turn around now. People will think that I am weak or that I can't make up my mind."

C. S. Lewis Argument No. 5:

"...progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man" ('Mere Christianity', C.S. Lewis).

What does it matter that what you believe now is wrong? That's the interesting part in the journey of life. We discover or learn new things that change our perspective on life. It is our duty to make the necessary change.

For many years people thought that the world was flat and that you would fall off if you went beyond a certain point. Aren't you glad Christopher Columbus and others dared to challenge this belief?

The truly lost would have been those who insisted on believing the world was flat in the face of that evidence.

GOD IS DEAD - G.K. Chesterton The Apostle of Common Sense

Many believe that C. S. Lewis was greatly influenced by G. K. Chesterton who, in similar vein as C. S. Lewis, uses common sense to bring across his arguments.

In Defense of Sanity: The Best Essays of G.K. Chesterton
In Defense of Sanity: The Best Essays of G.K. Chesterton

G.K. Chesterton is purported to have written more than 5000 essays on a variety of topics; from ghosts to mystics to fireworks to rain and much more.

He even looks at some well-known figures like are Shakespeare, Charles Dickens and Jane Austen.

But 3 leading authorities on G. K. Chesterton have selected the ‘best’ of these 5,000 essays and put them all in one place for your reading pleasure.

 

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The G. K. Chesterton Collection [50 Books]

You’ll never find a better common sense argument for Christianity and God.

G. K. Chesterton greatly influenced C. S. Lewis and you will definitely enjoy all his common sense arguments.

 
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Woman praying with hands clasped

On Becoming a Christian

Living life daily as a Christian can be challenging. No one says that after you become a Christian, life will get easy and all your problems will disappear. In fact it may get harder and you may become even more skeptical at times.

Again I use C. S. Lewis who explains it well in his own words: "Now that I am a Christian I do have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable; but when I was an atheist I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable. This rebellion of your moods against your real self is going to come anyway" ('Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis).

So, if after presenting these arguments you are still not convinced about the authenticity of God and Christianity, then I urge you to read some of the C. S. Lewis books and other spiritual books I have recommended below, since as C. S. Lewis logically and rationally argues, "A young man [or woman] who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his [her] reading."

You have nothing to lose by reading C. S. Lewis!

Great Christian Reading

Power Of The Blood
Power Of The Blood

Understand and experience the power of the blood of Jesus!

 
The One Year God's Great Blessings Devotional
The One Year God's Great Blessings Devotional

Sometimes, amidst all the challenges that we experience in life, we can forget the simple and continuous blessings from God. Count you blessings, one by one, day by day with this devotional.

 
A Year with C. S. Lewis: Daily Readings from His Classic Works
A Year with C. S. Lewis: Daily Readings from His Classic Works

I find daily readings from good spiritual a very helpful compliment to by Bible Readings. You will definitely find C. S. Lewis inspiring.

 

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      Heidi Vincent 2 years ago from GRENADA

      With respect to what caused C. S. Lewis to change his convictions, it was not 1 specific thing but an accumulation of things over time and he tells it all in his book titled, "Surprised by Joy". Thanks for your compliments on my writing of this hub, June. I am happy that you found it thought provoking and controversial at the same time. Lots to reflect on, huh? Thanks for visiting and have a fabulous weekend!

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      June Campbell 2 years ago from North Vancouver, BC, Canada

      I wonder what caused Lewis to change his convictions? This is a great hub in that it is thought provoking, controversial and well written.

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      Heidi Vincent 2 years ago from GRENADA

      Thanks for visiting, Say Yes To Life, and sharing with us why you are currently and agnostic.

      Like you, many people people mix up Christianity (faith/belief) and religion. Consequently, they allow the failings/bad behaviour of men and women who profess to be Christians erode their faith as Christians.

      One of my favourite quotes is from a man I greatly respect - Mahatma Gandhi - and it goes as follows "

      “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” I say this in confirmation of what you have said that in many instances persons who profess to be Christians have done some of the most damage in the world. However, like Gandhi, I remind myself that nothing is wrong with my faith - Christianity - but rather with the people - those who profess to be Christians.

      I admire the fact that your love for your children has started you on a new road of spiritual searching and journeying. I pray for clarity for you as you in this regard. Have a very blessed week! May God guide and direct your path!

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      Yoleen Lucas 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      In your first questionnaire, I checked "agnostic". I didn't vote in your second questionnaire, because my plans are to study other religions to see their points of view.

      The only CS Lewis book I've read in depth is "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe". I found the story very amiss; if Aslan the Lion is so almighty powerful, why did he let things reach that state?

      My agnostic state is very recent. It occurred because of flashbacks I'm currently experiencing, due to my inadvertently joining a cult nearly 20 years ago, putting my life in danger as a result. Regarding suffering; I keep asking myself, what if I allowed that to happen to my children? What sort of parent would I be? I'm also noticing that while Christianity is the largest and most widespread religion in the world, it also has done the most damage.

      Anyway, thanks for posting this hub.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Sundaycoffee: Thanks for visiting and sharing with us your strong beliefs in the Christian faith. Have a blessed week.

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      Sundaycoffee 3 years ago

      I came to understand that you cannot convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. For me, Christian faith (not religion) is the only correct path because it relies on God's grace, not on human knowledge or good deeds.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Roger Hackney: Thanks, rogeralyn, for visiting and sharing with us your current beliefs as well as your past spiritual journey. I see that you are well-read in terms of religions from what you have explained here. I do not dare tell you or anyone else what to believe because God has given us freewill. However, I want to ask you one thing? Have you asked God to bring clarity to you in your spiritual search? If you do, in addition to your readings, He will provide you with ALL the answers and direction you need for your spiritual journey. Have a blessed week and again thanks for visiting and providing this personal sharing.

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      Roger Hackney 3 years ago from Arizona

      I totally agree with the comments from "alienbritt", very well said! Also I find it interesting that your article seems to be slanted toward people that are Atheists because they have not read the Bible or reasoned it out like C. S. Lewis. Actually I am the complete opposite. I was raised Catholic, became an Evangelical, and am now leaning toward Atheism or Agnosticism (not sure why these are lumped together as a category because they are not the same thing). Like alienbritt mentions, I love to read and study and learn about other cultures. I abhor ignorance, And yes I am very logical, but I grew up seeing this as the way God made me so I do not think you can say an "open mind" is a bad thing by your very own definition. I have read the bible ( 2 in fact, the NIV and the KJB) and I have read the Quran, I Ching, some of the Dharma's, as well as books on Mormonism, in fact I used to love studying Theology and have read hundreds of books ( I was even working on a Masters of Theology in Christian Counseling) before reaching the same conclusions as many other Atheists. Right now, although I do not believe in reincarnation I am leaning strongly toward Buddhism as a way to live a good (moral) life. Colin323 also has some good comments. Anyway as was mentioned for me it's not about arguing whose right or wrong, it's just about understanding and making it through life. Thanks!

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @alienbritt: Thanks for visiting alienbritt and sharing with s why you are an atheist. Have a great week.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Rhonda Lytle: Thanks poetvix for visiting and sharing so powerfully your Christian faith. Have a blessed week.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Brite-Ideas: Thanks Brite-Ideas for visiting and sharing your beliefs. Have a blessed weekend.

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      alienbritt 3 years ago

      I like your arguments, but it only covers so much. There are more reasons why people are atheists. You can't just look at Christianity as the only religion out there. When you study all religions and get an idea of what different faiths are around the world, then you start to understand that it is all man made. It is a comforting blanket for the believers. Being an atheist is NOT all about science as some people who don't understand claim. God is an excuse to us. Atheists don't pretend to know all of the answers, we want to FIND all of the answers. Saying "God did it" is not an acceptable answer. People of religion are the only ones who pretend to have the absolute truth, which is why everything in science is called a "theory". Everything has the ability to change or be proven wrong. Most atheists have been apart of a religion at one time. They study their religion more than the people who don't question it. We study other religions, too. We study the inconsistencies, the absurdities, the history of it. Every time someone says that something is proof of their god existing, how do they not know that it could be a sign of a different god? Or none at all. Being an Atheist is more about rationalizing than it is about doubting, which i don't think people of faith realize. I for one choose not to hide behind the comfort of religious based faith. And because of that, i am a very happy person, and i am a better person now than when i was a woman of faith, by far.

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      Rhonda Lytle 3 years ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

      Personally, i can't imagine not being a Christian. I've known God all of my life, even as a small child. I can't prove to anyone he exists for that is the nature of faith itself, the belief in what has not been proven, at least by modern science.It seems to me in modern society too many have replaced religion with science spouting facts and so called natural law. In effect, science has become a religion in and of itself. Science has done some cool things, but it can never love, forgive, understand or participate in the human condition in any way. It's hollow. When science falls short, God takes over. There are miracles going on everyday that science can't explain. What better evidence for the existence of God is there than his divine presence and intervention in our lives? To me, the reason non believers don't see this is because God really is a loving God. He won't force himself upon us. One must believe and ask. If one doesn't believe, they don't ask and therefore never know.

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      To me, God is love, love is God, we are all one and no matter our practicing faith, or not, it is our internal message that becomes our truth - since losing dad, I know more than ever that we go on (had a few wonderful and weird things happen since his passing) - I'm Catholic in terms of how I was raised, but I believe in several aspects of other faiths which contradict with my 'family religion', such as reincarnation - there as so many wonderful parts to many faiths - where love is concerned, for me, that's all inclusive - Kindness first and always, and divine love as so well articulated recently on a program I watched with speaker Wayne Dyer - love unconditionally, no matter what - a true test or measurement of where we are in this thing we call life - my 'secret to life' page goes on more about this - Lovely page by the way too

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Coffee-Break: Your distinction between religion and faith is well explained, dbodnariuc. It's like many Christians but some are Jehovah Witnesses, Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists etc. I just don't like arguing because it gets me nowhere. Thanks for visiting and sharing both your faith and this religion-faith differentiation. Have a blessed weekend.

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      Dorian Bodnariuc 3 years ago from Ottawa, Ontario Canada

      I see many people mixing up religion with faith. Religion is merely an institution where someone chooses to exercise his/her faith. I'll take another institution as an example, school. Most people learn in schools, some don't go to school at all. Some drop the school because they think it's limiting for them, and they start to learn by themselves. In the same way, church as an institution, and religion as a dogma, can offer you many answers. But many can practice faith outside of an institution or a dogma, and be men and women of faith. As for me, I grew up in a communist era, and they were very good at brainwashing kids. As I grew up I started to look for answers. The best answers for me were from Christianity, I am Christian Orthodox by birth, and I sticked with that.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Colin323: Thanks Colin323 for visiting and sharing your beliefs with us. Have a blessed weekend and week ahead.

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      Colin323 3 years ago

      Alexander Hamilton stated, "Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything." Maybe, for some. But the counter-argument is that those who fail to take a strong position in any social arena, be it politics or religion, do so because they see the flaws in secular or religious belief systems. So, on the contrary, they DON'T fall for anything - because their doubt protects them. On religion, I simply don't know. Nor did C S Lewis. How could he, despite all his wisdom and rationalising, really 'know'? Belief in a particular religion is about faith in an external deity - which is something I have serious doubt about. But I respect those with such faith, and envy them in a way. But I just give my best for the world, and do no evil. And hope that if there is a merciful God, he will recognise this and allow me to rest in peace.

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @tonyleather: Thanks for visiting and sharing your beliefs tonyleather. Have a blessed week.

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      tonyleather 3 years ago

      I am a non-believer in a god-like being because I believe that every version of a deity through human history has been dreamt up by the human mind. As that 4,000 year-old Maori poem puts it - YOU are your own Devil, YOU are your own god, YOU fashioned those steps that your footsteps have trod! I rest my case!

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @Jhale Moreno: Thanks for visiting and sharing your various religious/spiritual perspectives over the years, Funeral Director. Don't let the Bible just sit in your room though. How about beginning to read Proverbs which provides good advise for everyday living?

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      Jhale Moreno 3 years ago

      I am not an Atheist, Agnostic or Christian, but I was once an Agnostic or Atheist and now I believe in god's undeniable existence. I think C.S. Lewis and I have the same mindset regarding Christianity, but I have not chosen to study Christianity yet. The Bible sits in my room and while I can say that I do not need a religion, I cannot be sure. I do know, however, that it might be best if I stay independent because I can then convince people of spirituality without labeling (people are very afraid nowadays).I have lost my path before, but I found it not through some guidance of the spirit, but through my Nutrition and the support of a few very good friends who showed me both the good and the bad. I know that religion may have been able to show me the path to where I am earlier, but now that I am here, I feel free to believe in myself as a religion, but not deny god as the best form of creation.However, I must remark that I see Nature as the being that I love most, even though she or it lay beneath god's existence as god is everything and Nature is his action personified.I must also remark that Polytheism sounds equally valid when I think of the Greek gods. Considering that the world was born from the parents of the gods, the gods and the titans are representations of nature (gods representing the various personalities of humanity and nature in segments).

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @SBPI Inc: Thanks for visiting and sharing, sbpilnc.

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      SBPI Inc 3 years ago

      You have a soul therefore God is within you. Fulln4ess of life is experienced by connecting with one soul

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      Heidi Vincent 3 years ago from GRENADA

      @PeterStip: Thanks for visiting, reading and sharing your opinion on my lens, PeterStreep. God has given mankind freewill and it is mans exercise of his freewill that is wreaking havoc in our world and leading to famine, misery and disease. NOT God. It is mans cruelty to man as a result of GREED and SELFISHNESS! Each year, environmentalists have spoken non-stop about greenhouse gas emissions, the effect on the ozone and the implications for global warming etc. The USA continues to be one of the leading contributors to this problem and has refused to make any significant change in the way it does business since it will affect profits. That has nothing to do with God. Millions of human beings were killed and cruelly mistreated during slavery and the holocaust. That is man again! Nothing to do with God. How can De Beers be a family of companies that dominate the diamond, diamond mining, diamond hops, diamond trading and industrial diamond manufacturing sectors in Namibia, when these are the natural resources given by God to the people of that land. Small wonder then why most of its citizens are poor. That is man once again! Not God. So it is not God who is evil. It is man who is evil towards man. Added to that maybe we ought to make up our minds once and for all about Gods role! On one hand, we don't want God to control our lives, which is why we are allowed the free will to do as we please. What that means, inevitably, is that some people will choose to do good and some will choose to do evil. Then on the other hand, we want God to control certain circumstances. Do with those people or that country or these events as we want done. I am angry with a lot of what is happening in the world but we should never be presumptuous enough to place God on our level. He deserves our respect and I am reminded of that with each breath I take, each time I am protected from an accident and even when I seek understanding from Him for why something bad happened to me. So stop blaming God for every bad thing that happens as a result of man doing his own thing, for his own selfish satisfaction. Without God answering my prayers and others prayers for help and protection, things in this world would be a lot worst!!!

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      PeterStip 3 years ago

      Argument 1 : Why would you believe in a God that let all the misery and famine in the world happen ? - it's an evil god at least.Argument 2 : False argument - You did not see the cloning yourself ? Well you could have gone to the lab. So there was a possibility to see proof, same with the hurricane, there would have been pictures taken or othe scientific proof/evidence.Argument 3 : I'm an atheist, but I would never say that I lead a better life then a Christian, that's pure arrogance. But I do not need a god to tell me that rape is murder and that a women becoming pregnant from rape has the right to have an abortion... Murder, Rape, Stealing is wrong, you don't need a religion for this to figure it out.Argument 4 : ? Why is not believing in a god or gods even a greater danger ? No explanation, you just give a statement.Argument 5 : strange argument, but true, if you are an atheist but secretly believe in god well, why not come out of the closet. Same is for people how have a christian background and don't go to church anymore an don't believe in a god, why not just say I'm an atheist.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @Meganhere: I am curious to know just one of those numerous reasons. Glad you enjoyed C. S. Lewis' book 'The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe'. Thanks for visiting and sharing.

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      Meganhere 4 years ago

      The reasons are too numerous to mention here. But The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe was one of my favourite books as a child.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @Bellezza-Decor: Well MiaBellezza as you would realize in our world some purveyors of religion have and do control people but then again, so do some politicians, some employers, some supervisors, some parents (of grown children) etc. Thanks for visiting and sharing your spin on the subject.

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      Bellezza-Decor 4 years ago from Canada

      Interesting analysis presented via interpretation of an author's work, however some would wonder perhaps more about the purveyors of religion and the fascinating control of people through same. Therein lies a new spin on the subject.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @anonymous: Thank you for your blessings, kepha1979 ! I pray God's blessings in Christ Jesus be upon you, also. Glad you liked this lens. Thanks for visiting and enjoy the rest of your week.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      A really great lens. I look forward to reading more of your posts and I pray God's blessings in Christ Jesus be upon you.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @Loretta L: Thanks for visiting and sharing this wonderful testimony of why you are Christian and what God has been doing for you, Lovelifelaughter. I pretty much feel the same way you do about God.

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      Loretta Livingstone 4 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      I'm a Christian, because I have seen His power in my life so many times and been directed by Him on so many occasions, knowing Him is like breathing, for me.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @safereview: I am glad that as a fellow Christian you enjoyed this lens, safereviews. Thanks for your visit and lovely comment. Happy Easter!

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @vineliner57: Thanks for visiting and sharing vineliner.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @MAbdulsater: Thanks for your visit and glowing comments MAbdulsater. Happy Easter!

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      Bob 4 years ago from Kansas City

      What a beautiful way to present your faith to others... as a Christian I really enjoyed reading this, and like WinWriter I hope you get tons of visitors.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @WinWriter: Thanks WinWriter for visiting and your lovely remarks. Yes, I love C. S. Lewis. When I discovered him, I just found myself nodding vigorously to and delighted with things that he would say and how he would say it.

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      WinWriter 4 years ago

      Loved your lens and loved the format. Very well done. I hope more people get to read it. I'm so glad that you chose C.S. Lewis and his writings to answer these popular arguments about Christianity. God bless :)

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      Hal Gall 4 years ago from Bloomington, IN

      I prefer that no labels be attached to me.

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      MAbdulsater 4 years ago

      This is a brilliant lens. I can see you have poured your heart into it and it resides well and truly in the heart of the reader as well. I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to read my latest lens on the 5 arguments for the existence of god. I would also like to extend my seasons greetings to you, merry christmas and a blessed new year !

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @reubenj: I hope it does reubenj. Thanks for the visit and the compliment. Have a merry Christmas!

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      reubenj 4 years ago

      Excellent articles. It will make many people stop and think about their lives.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @Golfman7: Thanks for visiting and sharing your favourite C.S. Lewis book and your love of his work Golfman7. Have a blessed weekend.

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      Golfman7 4 years ago

      I'm a big fan of C.S.Lewis. He talks a lot of sense and Mere Christianity is possibly my favourite of his books, though they are all good.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @jvcronje: Thanks jvcronje for visiting and sharing your testimony as a Christian. Have a blessed weekend.

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      jvcronje 4 years ago

      I am a christian solely by the grace of God. To believe is a distinguishing feature of a human being and it is not possible not to believe. Even an atheist "believes" there is no god. An agnostic tries to deny this, carefully avoiding the word "believe". I cannot even imagine how would life be without the transcendental dimension.

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      @anonymous: Thanks for visiting and sharing malina123. Have a wonderful week.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Atheist, the sky friends and fairy tales do nothing except the can be a good read. C. S. LEWIS was a brilliant brilliant man but a lot of them unfortunately don't freely think for themselves. It's not difficult to understand why he converted in a world full of make believe and superstitions. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existenceBertrand Russell

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @Two Crafty Paws: Thanks for visiting and sharing malina123. Have a wonderful week.

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      Two Crafty Paws 4 years ago

      I do believe there might be something but I don't belong to any religion. I am from a mixed family - atheist plus Christian so I had the chance to experience both poles. To explain why I would probably have to write a novel haha. I just feel this way.

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      miaponzo 4 years ago

      It is important to note that there are other "theist" religions with Christianity included... that have been a part of the chain of God's revelations throughout history.....

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      Thanks for visiting and sharing your beliefs as an atheist DustinJeremiahPina. Have a great week.

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      DustinJeremiahP 4 years ago

      I was raised in a Christian home. I was raised on the Bible's teachings. I am personally an atheist because I do not believe in what the Bible teaches. I also don't think the whole concept of any god makes sense. I have been an atheist for about a year. I am a pansexual/transsexual man. I have found a lot of hate in the Christian community as well, that I simply do not like. All in all, I think it is good that people can have faith, and feel reassured that in the afterlife they will go to some form of paradise. But me? I just want to live my life, being the best person I can be, and realize that when we die, we won't exist. So I better make the best of my life now!

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      @shellys-space: Thanks CosmeticMom for visiting and sharing your spiritual journey. Have a blessed weekend.

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      Shelly Sellers 4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      I love C.S. Lewis! I am a former Agnostic turned Christian. It was not quick and took some time...a lot of wrong turns, steps backward, and baby steps forward :)

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @SilmarwenLinwelin: Thanks SilmarwenLinwelin for visiting and sharing your belief as an Agnostic. Have a great weekend.

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      SilmarwenLinwelin 4 years ago

      I am an agnostic because I believe that if god exists, it must be something beyond our understanding. We still haven't figured out the world that surrounds us, let alone god! Interesting lens, thanks for sharing.

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @mereena-jolly: Thanks mereena-jolly for the visit, the compliment and sharing your belief. I am happy my lens provided you with inspiration. May God bless you and your family also and have a blessed week.

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      mereena-jolly 4 years ago

      I honestly love this lens. You've inspired me to make a lens about God. I'm a religious Christian but when I'm asked to defend my faith I have no answer. Thanks for the info! God bless you and your family!

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      Heidi Vincent 4 years ago from GRENADA

      @TolovajWordsmith: I agree with you Tolovaj about judging people by their actions. This has been my experience because I have met some wonderful people ho have different beliefs from me and some awful people who say they are Christian like me. I respect everyone's journey in life though. Thanks for visitng and sharing quite honestly. Have a wonderful weekend.

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      Tolovaj Publishing House 4 years ago from Ljubljana

      I don't really care if somebody if this or that, I judge people only by their actions. I was working in many fields with great frequency of very different people and there were always good and bad people no matter there religious background. The difference is only how they justify their actions.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I believe our Free will is limited because of all our involuntary reponses. Our free will is limited to our choices to follow God or not, but not whether to believe in the Creator. that is just selfish, I believe.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @anonymous: Thanks so much for visiting and sharing TeamSTM.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      It seem "Free Will" is a Gift that God has given us and we can "Freely" choose to Think and Believe what we want. A Knowing is Stronger and Greater than a Belief, once you Know something, No one and I mean No One can take that from you or change what you Know! God is Real and He Love us All Very Much, that's why we Have Free Will in the First place, along with so many such Wonderful Gifts!!God doesn't force His Will, He wants us to Choose; He still provides us with Everything we Need and then some! So we can Believe what we want, Choose what we want and do what we want, this is "Free Will!!"

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @anonymous: Thanks creativetaylor for visiting and sharing your beliefs as an atheist.

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      NoGodsNoGovernment 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: It was not 'aint' or 'ant' and you call yourself a thinker, lol?GodlessHeathen

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You are the one that can't handle the truth. If I couldn't handle it I wouldn't go out seeking it. If the truth led me to know that there was not a Creator, then there would be no reason for an existence. I think.

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      NoGodsNoGovernment 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: And you are a lazy writer...check your writing before you post...it makes it so much easier for the person trying to read your dribble...it's hysterical that you call yourself a thinker, yet you have trouble forming sentences into intelligible forms...and that you have Obama as your profile picture, that really speaks volumes about your 'thinking' abilities. It only makes sense to you and your invisible friend...everyone else thinks you need psychiatric help. GodlessHeathen

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Quantum mechanics is still being developed. I just can't accept not knowing about something so important. Existence.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Oh you and everybody else understand what I am saying. It doesn't matter that you trying to be negative towards me. All of what I say makes sense. You even make sense why you don't believe in a Creator. I understand y based on your thought process and erratic responses y you don't believe there is a Creator. You're a lazt thinker; I am a constant thinker. But we will leave it at: I believe and you don't. I was never trying to change anyone's mind. I was just being a Squidoo member and commenting on the lenses of interest. You have me all misconstrued (F'd up), so we have nothing else to comment about.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: that lets me know its a creator. you n I think alike and don't even know each other. Its all part of a bigger picture; a greater design. Likeminded people need to stick together. Some people don't have morals, values or ethical standards and they say they love Jesus and God.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      you are so right creativetaylor.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: You could study up on basic scientific theories of the origin of the universe. Science is not infallible... all we have are theories, which means they are not proven, but let's face it... "faith" and mythological stories in an old book are not proof either.I also recommend looking up the basics of Quantum Theory, as it provides scientific insight into the potential existence of the "soul."My mind is always open to new experiences and insights. I got my B.A. in Religious Studies because I'm fascinated by the world views of people... but have I found proof of a god? Nope.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I'm a very proud Atheist, who has strong morals, ethics and beliefs... they just don't include a supreme being or any dogmatic rules, judgments or mythologies. I think this quote sums it up for me... "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple, the philosophy is kindness."-Dalai LamaLove, kindness, compassion. What else do you need?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: I have a purpose in life, and it does not require a cloud fairy for me to realize it. Your purpose in life seems to be pontificating your irrational and ludicrous ramblings on Squidoo. Here is an idea...next time you post something, have a point...it makes it so much more enjoyable for the people reading it...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: The truth? You couldn't handle the truth...and you really only only seek to try to further your ridiculous ideas..the truth is not in your game plan. You will be waiting for a long time for what you think will be lifted from my eyes, because I will never subscribe to your lunatic fringe...it will never happen.But if you are looking for a lens from me on the subject, here you are:http://www.squidoo.com/religion-is-a-mental-disord...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: You not only lack critical thinking skills, but the ability to make a point that does not involve a bunch of BS attached to it. I am not making any claims, you are. I am happy with the realization that I don't know...but neither do you. You claim to know, but it's nothing more than your delusional mind rambling on and on about nonsensical ideas that bounce around in your head. You attempt to write in a way that you feel others will view as intelligent, but you fall way short of the mark, because not only do the atheists think you sound ridiculous, but I am sure the theists echo that thought as well...if you only knew just how foolish you really sound...

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @Kylyssa: As an agnostic Atheist you don't believe Gods or Goddesses exist that is all I am saying also. these are man made entities that have never been documented in my day and age as beening felt or seen. At least I can feel the Creators presence when I am in critical situations and I have to think my way out of them with the Creators help. People are intelligent beings and we have imaginations, just like the one you think may have created the Creator in the minds of many, but the Creator is not a conjuring in the imagination. I must give praise to all that had a hand in my creation, the creation of my family and friends, and existence. But other Gods and Goddesses, even if they did exist were nothing but mere names for humans that existed with extraordinary abilities that tried to have some control over major aspects in nature like, the sun, moon, stars, earth, wind, fire, air. Avatars in commercials show that this stuff was made up. We know that the heavens that everyone talks about is not a physical place that these Gods or Goddess could have lived. Nothing lives up there, but the universe and all its glory. the Creator is it all -- all the elements and can not be contained.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @Kylyssa: I think I did capture your belief in the non-existence of God in my first statement, Kylyssa. I have also explained in my lens why I used C S Lewis and I am still of the same opinion. Thanks for visiting and sharing your thoughts and beliefs as an atheist. Have a great week.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The Creator does exist because society, a mass number of people has brought the remembrance of the Creator into existence, since the beginning of time before either you or I were born. So the only reality in your mind is the things that you can see, so the smallest molecule does not exist to you until you can see it. Just like Cancer does not exist until you can detect it. No the cancer cell was laying dormant until it was activated, but it still exist. I am not replacing one unknown with another unknown. The knowledge of the Creator does exist because the world has proven over and over that the Creator does exist through proof in our actions and ways as a creative whole. See the big picture. Creation and its complex forces has order and design just like communities. the same type of order and design did not just happen it was created. Nothing just happened. that force that we call the Creator is a force that came to be also. But that is beyond our knowing for this time, but if we use our critical thinking, creative thinking, logic and reason we could come up with how the Creator was manifested. All Im saying if you are a good person that honors thy mother and thy father (caregivers if you didn't have a mother and father). then you should be honoring your Creator for his efforts in your existence and the existence of creation.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @anonymous: Sorry GodlessHeathen, as I indicated at the start of my lens I am not trying to "save" or convert anyone. Have a great week.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @LadyKeesh: Thanks LadyKeesh for visiting and sharing your thoughts as a Christian.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @anonymous: Thanks GodlessHeathen for visiting and sharing your thoughts as an atheist.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

      @Kylyssa: Thanks Kylyssa for visiting and sharing your views as an atheist.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @Kylyssa: A theist may have poor critical thinking skills but a mother of seven, wife, daughter, and sister of two, friend of many, enemy of some, and known rebel I must develop my thinking skills on a daily basis.. So critical thinking has nothing to do with wanting to know how the creation was made. Give me some answers or go and get some. Forget what I know and what Ive been taught, I am subject to change with logical and rational explanations. so if I have been hoodwinked, bamboozeled and led astray with this Creator thing let me know. But my gut, that innate sense, I talked about before keeps telling me that my Creator would not want me to denouce existence because another person thinks I need something to believe in. You basically are saying a person should just be born, live and die, anything in between does not matter because there is no accoutability for chooses except the ones here on earth. I don't believe our Creator is as harsh and Judging as others make it out, but a Creator does exist. The Creator does exist in the pit of my soul, like the notion that a Creator does not exist is in yours.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @Kylyssa: Godless Hethen took it their in other post. I give the world back what it gives me. You are seeing only half the picture and now talking about personality and character. I am trying to get to the truth. You seem to have no purpose in your life. Why are you here. I want to dig deep for the truth because the world has covered the truth up with lies. it is not to fill a void. Of course, I am an intelligent being that has devoted my life to obtainig knowledge and education. I believe a higher being helps me when no one else will or can't. but if you haven't been paying attention to this fact in your life then you also need the veil lifted from your eyes. Ill also be waiting on your lens entitled When the veil was lifted. Because you are in a very dark place. not knowing your exist or who you belong to. Just keep thinking you are in control of you and the day you die and the fact you can't control when where and how is another reasoning that lets me know we are not in control here. Otherwise I should be able to manipulate time and space and I should be able to save those that have died before me or did they not exist either. I should be able to make it so I live forever. I should be able to say when I stop breathing on my own without the reaction to breath when I hold my breath, Creation is so great, give the Creator praise. You should be ashame of yourself not wanting to thank the entity that created your air to breath and your lungs to breath through. Miss me with all this being satisfied with not knowing. My brain works too fast for that caveman mentality,

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: and its aint not ant. you need to stop. you are just a negative person which likes the controversy. that is fine and you are a good person to debate with if you want to think illogically and irrationally for no reason. Im not talking about no fairy tale our ancestors did exist. Now your trying to tell me the people that once existed did not because there is no proof, per say. We are an intelligent race that has documented history since we first felt a need to tell our story, So you thought your illogical and irrational self was the only person that has every document their thoughts and observations. No idiot your ancestors that you don't believe exist came up with the first forms of documentating. Atheism is a form of mental illness, starting with denial and disbelief, not Religion. Religion is part of the conspiracy theory. More to come.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No wrong answer again. I genuiely want to know how all this was created. and not the scientific theories like your scientist counter parts that's why you Aced Science class. i JUST WANT THE TRUTH. And since you can't give it to me. You theories on a higher being not existing is moronic. I am a very deep thinker. And your stupid as science did not create intuitiion. What in the hell is telling me to go this way or that way when I don't even know which way to go. YOu making that lame above statement is vague and not very concrete. but if you believe the explanations put forth by science is the only logical explanation for our existence then we will let this be. And when the veil is lifted from your eyes I hope you post a lens called. When the veil was lifted. I will be waiting for the lens.

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      Kylyssa Shay 5 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      @anonymous: I think some theists have poor critical thinking skills but not most. I think most theists are just doing the best they can with the skills and tools they have in the society they grew up in. Those with poor critical thinking skills tend to be the loudest and the cruelest, though, so they tend stick in peoples' minds. That's why I think that respectful pages discussing belief in the way this lens does are valuable even if they contain many of the old misconceptions about atheists. Normal, gentle, reasonable Christians exist and they truly seem to mean well when they try to get people to see things their way. I think such pages give us an opportunity to educate theists as to what we actually believe or don't believe to break down some of the stereotypes many of them very innocently spread.

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      Kylyssa Shay 5 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      @LadyKeesh: I'm surprised you can be so nasty toward people who believe in other Gods and Goddesses. Those Gods and Goddesses are just as real to their believers as yours is to you. I'm not so dismissive and devaluing of your beliefs as that. Isn't it just as likely to be one of the Gods or Goddesses you don't think are real that is the real one if there is such a thing? Why not examine the universe to see what is there rather than relying on stories others have told? Why must I tell you what did everything? Maybe the universe just is. I'm content to admit I don't know everything. I'm just a smart animal in a species of smart animals; we're obviously just blundering about and trying to figure things out as we go along. In my view of nature, there is no mechanism in place for me to just know everything. You seem to need to have absolute answers to everything and you seem to think you already have them. That's fine too. Try to really think about this without falling back to the God's just special argument- if you think I have to explain everything or believe in Yahweh, then don't you have to explain where Yahweh came from? If a God can just always exist, why couldn't an entire universe? And how does it harm you if other people don't share your belief? I'm puzzled as to why you chose to make a demand that I explain the entire universe to you. Why is the only choice to be an all-knowing superhuman or God yourself or believe specifically in Yahweh? Why can't just being a living being and admitting that some things aren't likely real also an option? You take that option by believing what you think is real (Yaweh) and thinking (rather harshly) that all other Gods and Goddesses are fictional characters made up by man. We all take it by believing in what we think is real and by not believing what we don't think is real.Why would I want an angry theist to call me the wisest person with the most knowledge? It isn't true. Many people have higher IQs and more wisdom as well as more knowledge. Why would having you lie at me be pleasing? As far as what I think and what I believe, I think the truth is that no one knows and that many people can't accept not knowing. So they search desperately to fill that absence of knowledge, that unsolvable uncertainty with something that allows them to move past not knowing all the answers and get on with their lives. Some people just accept that they don't have all the answers and get on with living life as best they can. The author of this page seems very sincere, respectful and devout. I don't think she will be pleased by the religion bashing or even your demand of "please tell me unbeliever." Neither of those things make believers seem like very nice people and it looks like she's trying to have a reasonable conversation about belief and absence of belief here.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: This same ole dumb argument keeps getting rehashed...You replacing one unknown for another is not proof of anything and it's moronic when someone asks this question. Your 'logic' is that if someone can't answer a question of how, why or when, that by default it could only mean a god did it....wow I bet you really bombed in science class huh?No...sorry but it does not work that way. In the logical world you do not get to replace one unknown for another to take the place of the things which can't be explained...that's called caveman logic.Where is your proof? I could do the very same thing and say if you have no proof of your god, then it means the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything, can you prove I am wrong?Do you see how moronic and pathetic your argument is? The problem with most theists is they have no critical thinking abilities...

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @Kylyssa: Ignorance is not knowing. Gods and Goddesses made up by man are not real only titles for fictional characters. Well if you don't believe God is real with the proof. Then who or what created the moon, starts, sun and the mountains. How is their so much order in creation without an author or creator behind it? You are not giving yourself anything to work with. You can't explain how the first person got here. You can't explain how the sun got into orbit. You can't explain how the first seed was planted to start the first forms of vegetation. Fine there is no God but now you must tell me what did all this. I just want the truth. Please tell me then i will call you the wisest and the person with the most knowledge. Until that you have to have reason and intellect and logic to know the universes, me and you started somewhere. Where and by who? please tell me unbeliever.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Kylyssa: I was taken in by the title also...very misleading...kind of a bait-and-switch tactic...I am sure this would be because the author feels she will be able to better 'save' one of us from the after-life of pain and suffering that her loving 'god' would like to bestow upon us...

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      Kylyssa Shay 5 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      I'm an agnostic atheist because I don't think any Gods, Goddesses or other supernatural beings are real. Because of the title I was hoping to read arguments for God from an atheist, not from a Christian. If the arguments were from an atheist CS Lewis, they'd all come from his pre-conversion works. A person is no longer an atheist once he thinks God is real.I was disappointed that you didn't tackle the most common reason people are atheists- they don't think God or any other supernatural beings are real. If you'd like to have a conversation with atheists and try to convert them, it might be a good idea to learn about atheists beforehand. Your introduction shows you haven't much idea what an atheist is. Your line - "As an atheist or an agnostic, I am sure you are tired of people constantly forcing you to admit there is a God by pointing you towards creation and the magnificence of the forests, the brilliance of the sun, moon and stars etcetera. " shows you are not aware that atheists don't think God is real. You lost your intended audience with the first line of your introduction by not having any idea about them but what you've been taught in church. I'm tired of most Christians acting like everyone is born believing in Yahweh and Jesus and getting their information about atheists from other Christians instead of from atheists. Think about how you likely think about the other Gods and Goddesses- you probably don't think any of them are real. How condescending would it be if a Hindu wrote a sentence like- "As a Christian, I am sure you are tired of people constantly forcing you to admit Brahma is real by pointing you towards creation and the magnificence of the forests, the brilliance of the sun, moon and stars etcetera"- as if it were an absolute fact that Brahma were real and and an unquestionable fact that everyone believed in Him? Isn't it just as condescending when the God in the sentence is Yahweh?Being an atheist isn't about making a decision for most people; it's about what they think is real. I can't just decide to think something I don't think is real is real, can you? Here is my challenge- pick something you don't think is real- now believe in it for real, no pretending. think it is real. You can't can you? You think God is real, otherwise you'd never worship Him. I don't think God is real so why, logically, should I worship something I don't think is real? You need to start from the reality of atheism which is that atheists are people who don't think God is real. I hope you take this comment in the manner I mean it- as a piece of information you didn't have before that will allow you to have a real conversation with atheists if that is what you want.

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      Heidi Vincent 5 years ago from GRENADA

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      @dom2: Good dont Christians are what led me to the Lord. confessing my sins, I was just looking for a way out of my sinful nature and that was through Christ. but I since learned that I am responsible for my own actions and I must take my sins before Our Creator and ask for forgiveness. Jesus is not a partition for our sins. He is dead, resting in peace because he completed his mission. He can't even hear our prayers so petition all prayers and repentence to Our Creator and you will be find. Only Our Creator knows the truth so until that time when the whole truth is revealed, just keep believing in Our Creator, and being a good person, praying and asking for forgiveness. Love Our Creator with all your heart, body, mind and soul. I am not trying to change anyones mind, because only God changes the heart, which in turn tweaks the mind to bigger and better things.