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Why Esther Hicks Never Answers Questions About Jerry's Death

Updated on March 17, 2015

Esther and Jerry Hicks When Things Were Good

Esther and Jerry Hicks:  photo taken by a fan during an Abraham-Hicks workshop tour.
Esther and Jerry Hicks: photo taken by a fan during an Abraham-Hicks workshop tour.

When Jerry Hicks Died, Where Was Abraham?

On November 18, 2011, according to an email from Esther Hicks five days later, her husband Jerry Hicks died at the age of 84.

Jerry Hicks' death came just six months after he disclosed in an email that he was hospitalized and receiving chemotherapy.

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To most, it’s not surprising that an 84-year-old man might die, but those in the spiritual movement founded by Jerry and Esther Hicks have been unable to come to terms with it. The Abraham-Hicks organization can’t acknowledge that death can be painful and involuntary. That would be inconsistent with the teachings pitched at workshops and in books for twenty-five years.

It seemed likely that Jerry was the actual source of the “eternal wisdom” delivered by a hundred non-living entities that Esther Hicks channeled in the persona of Abraham.


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On the Abraham-Hicks Website, Jerry Hicks Lives On

Three years after Esther Hicks announced his death, the Abraham-Hicks website still portrays Jerry Hicks as being in the best of health.

These two fun loving adventure-seekers are currently breathing in huge lungsful of joy as they figure-eight across the United States in their rock star monster bus....

Really?

You thought Jerry Hicks died, didn't you? You are wrong.

Don't be at all surprised if—as you pass—you get an enthusiastic smile and a wave from two kids wearing goofy red clown noses.

It's just Jerry & Esther Hicks, on their way to more fun and adventure!

It's right there on the website. "Today, the spring in Jerry's step rivals men half his age."

Esther, Jerry and Abraham wouldn't put out false information like that, would they?

And it isn't just the website. Esther continues to sign off her email blasts with a combination of hers, Jerry's and Abraham's names.

Abraham’s Teachings

For those who haven’t been following this saga, the website calls Abraham "a group consciousness from the non-physical dimension." Abraham is the source of “the wisdom that is pouring forth through Esther.” The Hicks prefer not to use the word “channeling,” although in reality it's nothing but.

Abraham’s wisdom, summarized on the website, includes twelve points that insist, in clumsy prose and music reputation, that you can control all of what happens to you. Point five, for example, is “Anything that you can imagine is yours to do or be or have.”

The last two points relate to death and illness:

11. You May Appropriately Depart Your Body Without Illness or Pain.

12. You Can Not Die; You Are Everlasting Life.

So, they claim - Abraham claims, Esther claims, Jerry used to claim - that you can have it all, including eternal life, and you can depart your body without illness or pain.

This may explain why, three years after his death, the website Esther Hicks manages has not been able to acknowledge Jerry Hicks' death.

So who, or where, is Abraham now? Or Jerry?

Officially, What is Abraham?

First, the official story is that Abraham is a group of "nonphysical teachers" who have come together as a group to help us understand the universe and its most powerful force, the Law of Attraction.

They jokingly refer to themselves as dead people and claim to have access to all of the wisdom of the universe. They also claim that they can read your mind and understand your problems before you speak to them.

Esther and Jerry Hicks claimed that Abraham, this group of teachers, chose Esther above all others as the perfect outlet for their teachings because she was more openminded and vulnerable than anyone else and, luckily, married to Jerry, "the questioner of all time."

That's the short version, but you can find a more detailed one on my other articles or just by visiting the Abraham-Hicks website and stepping through the marketing mud long enough to find the free downloads of their story, as told by them.

How Jerry and Esther Hicks Created Abraham

Esther and Jerry Hicks were a dynamic pair for decades.

After Sheila Gillette wrote about the wisdom of a group of archangels named THEO (see The Soul Truth: A Guide to Inner Peace) and Jane Roberts wrote about the wisdom of a nonphysical entity called Seth (Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul), Esther and Jerry, incorporating Jerry's experience as a motivational speaker at Amway, invented Abraham.

The Hicks enjoyed immense success as a resource for spiritual inspiration, following the publicity surrounding the book and movie The Secret.

Riding a “Law of Attraction” wave, they saturated the market with books, card decks, recordings and DVDs. They posted numerous YouTube videos to whet appetites for sales on their marketing-heavy website.

True believers and committed followers will hang onto their beliefs about Jerry, Esther and Abraham, just as advocates of Jane Roberts' Seth material did as she was dying, also of cancer, as long as they can retain a flicker of hope that their magical beliefs might be true.

But now that it is widely known that Jerry Hicks lost his battle with cancer, it's a good time to take a retrospective look at Abraham-Hicks and consider whether the performances can continue.

Jerry’s colorful lifetime has included at least five marriages (he is on record saying that there were too many to count, but at least five) and a successful career at the upper levels in the often investigated and successfully sued Amway Corporation, which was the source of his wealth before he launched the Abraham-Hicks operation.

Jerry Hicks' studies in the areas that later coalesced into the Law of Attraction began long before he met Esther.

He was an avid practitioner of Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich and similar feel-good philosophies. In all likelihood, he used this knowledge in pitching Amway dealerships and motivating his recruits. In later years he never mentioned his Amway experience.

His relationship with Esther began while both were married to other people, but they hit it off immediately.

In the biographical material on the website, without much detail, we glimpse them studying Jane Roberts' Seth books, reading together while Jerry tickles Esther's feet.

Then, for no disclosed reason, they are visiting Sheila Gillette for a reading with the entity she channels (THEO, twelve Archangels who rank higher than Abraham, according to them).

For some other inexplicable reason, Esther and Jerry say that, shortly after this visit, they are confronted by a stranger who informs them that Jane Roberts has died.

Although this branch of the story never develops, it's likely that they were considering setting Esther up as Seth's next channel. Seth, though, is dense and hard to understand.

Esther and Jerry Hicks wisely designed a dumbed-down version, Abraham, that was more accessible, but they borrowed from Sheila Gillette's public channeling act featuring THEO, including, at first, an accent for Abraham’s announcements.

Borrowed Wisdom, Learned Performance

Abraham-Hicks never actually produced a new idea, other than marketing initiatives.

"The Law of Attraction" had been used for years before Esther and Jerry Hicks laid claim to that phrase. When their claim was exposed as false, they took up the clunkier term "Vortex of Attraction," which would have failed as a marketing gimmick, if it was what they started with.

For many years, it seemed likely that Abraham-Hicks was always none other than good old Jerry Hicks. Acting out the part, Esther got into her Abraham persona and parroted what she learned from a well-educated master in the teachings made famous by Napoleon Hill.

The impressive amalgamation of sources that resulted in the books (purported to be written by Abraham), the crowd-pleasing stage performances, and the recordings served many people well.

Recently, however, with Jerry’s increasing age and deteriorating health, the message became more muddled. The organization attracted a more cult-like following, and increasingly turned to exclusion as a way of controlling followers.

Abraham's—Esther's—Teachings About Death and Illness

The organization has never been particularly forgiving of illness or death.

You don't die just because you get old, but because you can't control your thoughts. In February of 1998, Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, said this:

You can live comfortably and joyfully and resiliently and healthfully as long as you have desire that summons life through you. People don't die because they pass through time. They die because they don't allow this arena to stimulate decisions.

For years, Esther Hicks (as Abraham) claimed that her teachings could cure any disease in less than an afternoon. Here is a quote where she gave herself a little more leeway:

But it does take the determination that you're going to put your thoughts upon something that does feel good. And so, here we're going to make a very bold statement: any disease could be healed in a matter of days, any disease, if distraction from it could occur and a different vibration dominate - and the healing time is about how much mix-up there is in all of that. (Workshop #230, Ashland, Oregon, July 20th, 2002)

Esther (Abraham) said that disease will go away given the right attitude.

The very best approach to medicine is, "Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away. (Workshop 106, Ashland, Oregon, May 16, 2000)

She (he) said sickness before death is optional, caused by the sufferer himself or herself.

Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose. (Workshop, Sedona, Arizona, August 27th, 2005)

And death should be easy, even “delightful”! Most insensitively, Esther said this just two weeks after the World Trade Center disaster of September 11, 2001, while the American public was quite aware of the suffering of thousands of blameless victims: pregnant women crushed by collapsing towers, workers jumping to avoid being burned alive, mothers on jetliners with babies in their laps.

[D]eath is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing. (Workshop, Buffalo, New York, September 25, 2001)

In short, illness comes from thoughts, it can be quickly cured by thoughts, death isn't necessary, and if it should happen, it's delightful. An organization that promotes such beliefs could be seriously embarrassed if its leaders experienced illness and death.

Despite the Teachings, Jerry Became Ill

A year and a half before his death in November 2011, and a year before his May 2011 public announcement that he was undergoing chemotherapy, Jerry Hicks was already losing weight. A friend with medical knowledge and connections inside the organization wondered if he might have been undergoing chemo already by this time.

When he said on May 25, 2011 that he had suddenly fallen ill, he indirectly indicated that it had been going on for some time; he said his chemotherapy had started already and he had already lost 15 pounds from his slight frame.

So, it wasn't really so sudden. Fifteen pounds don't melt off overnight.

Jerry Hicks Resorted to "Heavy Chemotherapy"

On May 25, 2011, Jerry Hicks shocked his followers by stating publicly that he was receiving chemotherapy—a treatment associated with cancer.

Although he blamed his illness on a spider bite or a red ant bite, admissions of an "extremely exaggerated" white blood cell count, a biopsy, "heavy chemotherapy" and a week's intense hospital treatments told the story without using the "C" word.

Jerry's Note:

"This is Jerry. First I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your messages both telepathically and emaily of encouragement and good cheer. Next, Abraham and I have discussed the chain of thought that brought this about and I'm satisfied that I'm not going to do that again. Next, here's the scenario as I now see it. On March 12, 2011 we flew from Del Mar to Boca Raton, Fl where we slept next to the dock with many yachts from many different parts of the world in the slip right outside our window. When I awakened the next morning I had a large welt on the inside of my wrist that looked like a giant fire ant bite. The most unusual thing about it was instead of the usual circular puss-like head that comes up from many insect bites it was a strangely cube-like head. It looked more like a spider bite. I put a Band-Aid on it and we continued the Panamanian cruise. It seemed to resolve into itself as time went along forming a pea-shaped nodule on my wrist. On April 18, I showed it to a dermatologist in Del Mar and she immediately decided to scrape it off and sent it in for a biopsy. We continued our seminar tour and returned to San Antonio getting ready for our spring East Coast run when we heard back from the biopsy results that there was something amiss relative to my white blood cell count and she put us in touch with a dermatologist in San Antonio who was an old school friend of hers. The subsequent blood test in San Antonio showed that my white blood cell count was extremely exaggerated and the physician insisted that I undergo immediate treatment with no delay. He pointed out a number of options, one of them was to use the "big guns" (heavy chemotherapy) and so we decided to go along with that and checked into the hospital on May 6th.

We were swept up in such an obvious current of amazing "path of least resistance" events unlike anything we've ever experienced before. The strong feeling that we were proceeding in exactly the right direction continued as my response to these "big guns" was a week of no discomfort and none of the highly forewarned side effects. Everyone around us at the hospital kept speaking their surprise at my unusually comfortable experience. We are now in day 18 of a 28 day regimen of bringing my blood counts back into perfect balance.

Until I gain back 15 pounds of energetic flesh and return to my normal zippy do dah self, Esther will continue the workshops held on Saturdays (we cancelled the mid-week events so Esther and I can play together in San Antonio) and she plans to see many of you this weekend in Stamford, CT. Since this is our 3rd Live Global Broadcast I'll be enjoying the event like so many of you around the world (last time you watched from 76 countries and all 50 states) from the blissful comfort of home on my computer. If you'll be joining me in the cyber audience of the Abraham LIVE broadcast and you haven't registered yet, you can click here.

Love ya,

Jerry (and Esther, too)

P.S. One of the most wonderful things that I've experienced was the following revelation that I had while in the hospital with all of those wonderful people taking care of us: Every person with whom we seemingly have a chance encounter while here upon this planet has the potential of exerting a purely angelic influence upon us if we will but allow it."

The language is clumsy and evasive, repeating "next . . . next" at the start, as if an alibi is being plotted out step by step. The unfortunate Jerry makes passing reference to "a chain of thought having brought this about," presumably "this" being cancer, as this organization has long professed that illness is brought about by thought.

The message concludes with the inevitable sales pitch. Even chemotherapy can't stand in the way.

In spring 2011, coincident with Jerry’s declining health, the Abraham-Hicks organization introduced something called Abraham LIVE, actually remote events like webinars: a convenient innovation if, for example, the flow of revenue-producing events needed to continue while Jerry was having difficulty traveling.

A cheery anonymous writer sent this to the Abraham-Hicks Daily Quotes subscriber list, assuring all that Jerry's physical presence wasn't needed:

Jerry watched the live broadcast in San Antonio this past weekend and was delighted to discover that the feeling of the seminar was very much like being right there in the room. Abraham has been telling us for years that this energy transcends time and space and boy oh boy, do we understand that firsthand now!

. . . and boy oh boy, did they ever add a link to let you sign up for the next one, rocket fast.

People may have been able to believe for a while that a spider bite required chemotherapy, but that improbable storyline was not reinforced. Neither spider bites, leukemia, nor any other particular illness was mentioned by the organization until Jerry’s death in November 2011. Oblique references were made to Jerry’s convalescence, always along with a pitch for the next workshop.

Jerry’s Image Out of Focus, Fogged with Shadow

This photograph accompanied a marketing pitch for an upcoming workshop. Esther and Jerry Hicks together, hoping the image will let followers forget Jerry Hicks’s cancer and keep buying tickets.

Either this is the worst publicity photo ever, or they purposely used a picture in which bright sun would obscure Jerry Hicks' features.

As we found out later, Jerry was dragged out for this photo op only weeks before his death. It appears that he went during this period to South Korea for a series of alternative therapies that failed.

A Late Photo Op: Up, Up, and Away!

The PR people finally took over the Abraham Hicks news release email blasts, smoothing out the presentation. No more discussion of illness; Esther and Jerry had made a mess of it, and the organization was trying to get feel-good messages out.

This photo from a news release (with the inevitable pivot to a sales pitch) is supposed to have a "We're all happy" feel, with all the younger family members gathered with Esther and Jerry Hicks in Del Mar to enjoy a balloon ride.

Look at Jerry Hicks, hunkered down in the back corner, hard to see in detail, like the family homunculus, reaching over the rail to wave, some sort of covering on the right side of his head.

Why wasn't he standing with Esther? Was he sitting? Had he become legless? Was he out of the basket? Was he photoshopped in at the end to enhance the marketing impression?

Reality Intrudes: Announcing the Death of Jerry Hicks

On November 23, 2011, in a surprisingly direct email, Esther Hicks announced to followers that Jerry Hicks had died five days earlier, on November 18: “Our sweet Jerry made his transition into Nonphysical last Friday.” The announcement did not include an obituary, though it included a great deal about Esther’s own thoughts and plans. Nor did it include answers to the many questions that were asked about Jerry’s illness and whether it was dealt with in a way consistent with the teachings of Abraham.

One question followers had was why Jerry would have chosen conventional medicine, rather than the approach Esther has advocated (through Abraham) for years. Their cheerful rationale at the time was that they were following "the path of least resistance," which jelled with some of their early teachings. But chemotherapy is harsh and physically demanding; how could that be easier than the two hours in "suspension," or the at worst "a few days" that Abraham, by way of Esther, said would easily be enough to get rid of illness?

The question is, why didn't Jerry just take a quick Abrahamic cure instead of running to conventional medicine and, finally, alternative therapies that may have led them all the way to South Korea at the end?

According to Esther, all he would have needed to do was change his vibration. Esther also said Jerry was the best person in the world at keeping his vibration in control.

But he died, anyway. And what does "vibration" mean in the first place, and if you can't define it (just try), how can you change it?

The couple’s turn to conventional medicine strongly suggested not only that some of the basic teachings of Abraham about health and death were dangerous nonsense, but that the couple knew they were nonsense. When it came to real danger, Esther and Jerry Hicks tossed aside the Teachings of Abraham and chose conventional medicine, just as any sensible person would.

Given the Hicks’ views on medicine—that illness comes because you wish it on yourself—and the centrality of these views to the teachings they espoused, the couple must have been very reluctant to begin conventional therapy. Maybe they tried the easy cures described in the teachings of Abraham, and found them useless.

Nevertheless, if they could have been brave enough to explain clearly what was going on, it would have been a great help to their followers, many of whom trust the Abraham-Hicks teachings to get themselves through illness and other rough spots in life.

Why were they so evasive and, in some instances, simply dishonest about what was going on? If they were going to make a public issue of his illness, as they did in several email blasts, why be so sparing with the truth and allow themselves to seem disingenuous? What was Esther's excuse for turning every update into a sales spin for products and workshops? And then cancelling the workshops without notice or explanation?

When it was clear to everyone who looked at the situation objectively that Jerry was dying, why did they jam him into a gondola full of grinning younger relatives in a desperate PR effort?

This evasion was insensitive and unfair to other cancer sufferers, and to the many followers who had routinely been told by Esther and Jerry Hicks' creation, Abraham, that they give themselves cancer.

Esther Hicks's many rude and callous comments about "croaking" and how good it is when "the old ones go" come to mind.

Jerry Intermittently Reappeared, Speaking Through Esther

In a workshop in early December 2011, Esther did what some had predicted would happen; she attributed some of her spoken wisdom to Jerry, or as people might say, she “channeled” him. After a joke she made, she said, “That was Jerry.” As she did after an audience member observed that a digital clock had stuck at 5:55, one of the numbers that Jerry had said were messages from the spirit world (see the last couple minutes of the video below).

While this channeling offered some sort of resolution concerning whether or where Jerry had gone, it tended to confuse the whole concept of Abraham, which had always been a creation blended from many alleged no-longer-physical beings, without any distinct individual voice. It got complicated. Where the organization’s email for ticket sales were formerly signed off, “Love, Esther and Jerry,” the closing now read, “Our Love, Esther, Abraham/Jerry and our Abraham-Hicks traveling team.”

After introducing the newly non-physical Jerry Hicks in that workshop as a wisecracking associate of "Abraham," Esther reacted to the hail of criticism by leaving him out of the next workshop.

Esther Hicks in Her Own Words on Jerry's Death

Abraham Without Jerry: Less Kindness, More Bad Advice

As Jerry became sicker, Abraham changed; he often said mean things to the most vulnerable seekers who'd paid large ticket prices to see Esther perform her Abraham routine.

Since Jerry’s death, Abraham’s personality has continued to evolve away from empathy and gentleness. Judging from recent workshops, coldness, pettiness, and stupidity are an essential part of his makeup. In an early 2012 workshop, Abraham focused his wisdom on a parking lot collision between a Mustang and Esther’s Cadillac Escalade, discussing insights about driving provided by Esther’s hairdresser.

At another recent workshop, asked by a mother in the hot seat about dealing with her young child who refused to share toys, the wise, all-knowing Esther (as Abraham) told her that her child was in "alignment," enjoying his toys "like Jesus not freaking out about the toylessness of his friends."

Which coldhearted Jesus was that?

Farther along in the conversation, Esther responded to the same mother's worries about her son's habit of kicking their cat. She instructed the mother not to interfere with the abuse of a helpless, trapped animal because the cat was "teaching" her son.

Maybe to become the next Ted Bundy.

One of the failings of Esther and Jerry Hicks’s imaginary Abraham is that "they" don't understand that acts of all kinds require moral judgment (stopping animal abuse, as opposed to standing by and watching passively).

Noninterference is a kind of cheating that masks selfishness. Esther and Jerry have suggested that honoring our crudest impulses is natural, even though years of evolution have trained us to act proactively in the best interests of all.

This is the sickness of narcissism in full bloom. And animal abuse, for those who don't know, has long been recognized as an early warning signal for violent crime in adults.

In any case, anyone who saw this workshop, live or on video, has a moral obligation to contact the ASPCA. Now.

Get that cat out of the house before the kid, guided by Abraham Hicks, seriously injures or kills it.

Even at an organization that specializes in weirdness, this piece of "wisdom" stood out.

Esther Hicks Now Speaks for God, Jesus, Buddha, and Seth

As she wrapped up the San Diego workshop in January 2012, Esther included an ominous statement:

We would like to speak on behalf of Seth and God and Jesus and Buddha and all that have come before, and take it one step further into clarity and say that all of us from non-physical are having this moment.

She'd wandered close to cultism before, but this was the first time in the history of her channeling that she claimed to speak for "God and Jesus and Buddha."

She'd once claimed to be their equal, but this seemed to be a nod toward a whole new direction.

Or, knowing Esther was never the sharpest tool in the Abraham Hicks shed, maybe it was just a stupid bit of narcissistic rambling.

Abraham-Hicks Survived Jerry Hicks

Esther's efforts to resurrect Jerry shortly after his death by claiming to channel him along with Abraham at her workshops didn't help her credibility. Nor did her claims to represent various gods from other cultures, or Abraham’s rambling, petty, mean-spirited advice. But the workshops continue—30 or so a year—the videos continue to be made, and presumably the money rolls in.

The death of Abraham-Hicks is inevitable, because the death-defying collection of entities Jerry and Esther made up was always a fiction. To my surprise, Abraham-Hicks survived Jerry’s death. Possibly there are even hangers-on or support staff in the organization now who could carry on the show after Esther becomes non-physical.

Jerry's role in the organization, colossal as it was, seems to have been filled for the time being. But Jerry himself, in spite of his hopes, does seem—at least to those of us with any reasonable amount of skepticism—to have passed on.

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Are You Now or Have You Ever Been A Follower of Abraham-Hicks?

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      David Stone 2 weeks ago from New York City

      You bet. Writers like to get paid for their work too.

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      Chereese 2 weeks ago

      You ended your post with a sales pitch...

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      David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      Show me where she explains why he did not follow Abraham's specific advice and be cured. And please don't take the tactic that we can't know what as in his heart. We know. He was completely open about it and only went silent when it became clear that treatments weren't working. Then, he shut up. Show me how his fight to survive squares up with her oft-repeated claim that "Every death is a suicide" and that "It's always good to see the old ones go." You can produce and edited video that shows what you want it to show. That's theatre. Since I was there, watching closely, from before Jerry admitted being sick and until after he died and because I know some of their close friends well, I know that they lied repeatedly and worked to manufacture a marketable presence. YouTube videos are just commercials. Why do you think they threatened to sue anyone who posted a real live video, errors included?

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      David Stone 5 months ago from New York City

      Why are people like you always comparing Abraham-Hicks to the Bible? There is not connection. They are completely different things.

      "What is wrong with teaching people to live with positive thoughts rather than negative thoughts?" You're missing the point. That s not what Abraham teaches. Positive psychology is a whole other thing.

      "There are scientific studies where people have cured themselves of illnesses with just the power of their mind." No there is not. It's a common misconception that such studies were ever done. There are personal stories and individual observations, but no studies have ever proven tha people can cure themselves with their minds. Sorry to burst your bubble.

      "As to why Jerry Hicks chose "chemotherapy": whose to say he wasn't led to that by Abraham?" Jerry did. He was sent by a physician.

      "Or perhaps when his own mortality became apparent, he went "conventional"? If he had negated that option, would you be calling him a fool for that?" I never called Jerry Hicks a fool for anything, and if you actually read the details, he went conventional, as you say, at a time when he was very optimistic of recovery.

      "I also find it odd that you are so anti-Abraham, but there are links on your page to other "metaphysical" sources. How do we know: Whose truth is the true truth for the billions of people on this planet?" Again, you are reading things that are not there.

      "Am also laughing at the judgmental comments from the good little Christians on this page (again, hypocrisy)." How is it hypocrisy for them to comment on their honest beliefs? And what about your snickering at them as if you're superior? What's that?

      "Ultimately, I believe that we must find our own "truth". If you want to give your money to the church, Abraham, the little fairies in the garden, etc... go right ahead." Well, you say that while being snarky toward those who do? Who's a hypocrite now?

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      PJ 5 months ago

      Why such vehemence? Perhaps because their teachings are not yours?

      While I am not an Abraham follower, I don't believe their teachings are any more detrimental than those of the bible. However, the church has been fleecing people for thousands of years, and continues to do so. If you want to discuss "hypocrisy" check out the bible.

      What is wrong with teaching people to live with positive thoughts rather than negative thoughts? There are scientific studies where people have cured themselves of illnesses with just the power of their mind. Is it God, is it the "Universe" who knows?

      As to why Jerry Hicks chose "chemotherapy": whose to say he wasn't led to that by Abraham? Or perhaps when his own mortality became apparent, he went "conventional"? If he had negated that option, would you be calling him a fool for that?

      I also find it odd that you are so anti-Abraham, but there are links on your page to other "metaphysical" sources. How do we know: Whose truth is the true truth for the billions of people on this planet? Can YOU guarantee that your truth is the "true truth"? Maybe for YOU, but not for all.

      Am also laughing at the judgmental comments from the good little Christians on this page (again, hypocrisy).

      Ultimately, I believe that we must find our own "truth". If you want to give your money to the church, Abraham, the little fairies in the garden, etc... go right ahead.

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      David Stone 6 months ago from New York City

      Oh, dear, Joe! You've got a problem or you wouldn't overreact with such vehemence. Settle down. Christianity has nothing to do with it. Either you're comfortable with what Jerry and Esther did, or you're, like me, not. That is not a commentary on the principles of the "law of attraction," a term first used about a century ago, although the ideas were probably around before that. The thing is, the Hicks's made their own brew of it and kept adding to the sauce, taking the ideas to some strange and, for me, unreconcilable places. They get a lot of credit for spreading the word, and they deserve it. But they took it too far in trying to ring every bit of cash possible out of it.

      I hope the message eventually leaves you feeling less threatened and able to think objectively. The "law of attraction'" does not need Jerry or Esther to make it true anymore than the law of gravity required Galileo or Einstein.

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      David Stone 12 months ago from New York City

      Thanks for your observations.

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      Pelepua 12 months ago

      A friend of mine invited me to an "Abraham-Hicks" workshop which I attended today. I had never heard of Abraham-Hicks. I did a little research, felt uncertain, but went anyway. I have to say, about 30 minutes into the program, I felt something was very wrong. I found the approach and conveyance of information very disingenuous., crass and calloused. I think the most important thing to note is that "The Law of Attraction" is one of a number of spiritual laws. These laws work together, they are not mutually exclusive. One must be in balance with chakras, energy as well as the spiritual laws to achieve what "Abraham-Hicks" suggests. You do not need to buy "Abraham-Hicks" books, DVD's, subscriptions or the like to achieve or succeed with the law of attraction, just ask. Ask God, The Universe, The Source, whatever you would like to call the energy I refer to as love and light as well as archangels, angels, Ascended Masters and guides for help and guidance to achieve balance. Study and learn how to create, physical, spiritual & emotional balance. Purely spiritual beings would never address someone in need, someone who's confused or misguided in such a disrespectful manner. Communication is always positive and encouraging. Look within for answers and don't be afraid to ask for help.

      I would like to note that the word "cult," based on my observations, is appropriate. In the article Esther is described as "open-minded" and "vulnerable." In my personal opinion, I would also refer to the participants of the workshop as "open-minded" and "vulnerable."

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      beginnersmind 13 months ago

      Sonny, not being gullible is not synonymous with not being able to listen and talking too much. If you want to believe this nonsense, then by all means, knock yourself out, but don't expect others to. Nice try though with the tactic of ad hominem rather than actually addressing what has been said. Though that is rather typical of people who are trying to protect their beliefs.

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      sonny 15 months ago

      Listen more than you talk. Nobody learned anything by hearing themselves speak.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZqFk_aMNx4&in...

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      beginnersmind 18 months ago

      It's good that there are articles such as this, to bring a voice of discernment to these claims of channeling some higher beings. Pop spirituality seems to be the hot commodity for people with 1st world problems. Having read my share of Abraham-Hicks years ago, I don't even think I can classify this as spirituality, but greed wrapped in "spiritual ideas".

      It's not like the Hicks' ideas are new anyway. They basically took most of them from authors such as Robert Collier, Charles F. Haanel, Napoleon Hill, etc. and just threw in "higher beings" to give an authoritative flavor.

      I don't doubt the power of the mind and that it can greatly influence our health, environment, and lives, but when these truths are extrapolated into magical fantasies with our own personal "genie in a bottle", one must begin to call BS. The ones really benefiting from LOA are the ones convincing the gullible and desperate that this type of LOA is true and then selling these people all their merchandise.

      IMO, LOA as taught by the Hicks is rather egocentric and to blame and explain away disasters, illnesses, tragic events simply on one's vibration, either individually or collectively is immature at best, and actually rather irresponsible and heartless.

      It is very easy for someone who has all their basic needs met and then some, to say that one's poverty or a country's poverty is simply a result of their vibration, without taking into account such variables such as social stratification, cannibalistic capitalism, and exploitation- either through labor or resources. Not only is this spiritually immature, it is socially irresponsible.

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      surfah 19 months ago

      to me, the proof is in the pudding. Their books were fun but they took from others--nothing was new-just re-packaged. When Esther always said chemo was not the best option and then they ran to it, saying it was an ant/spider bite (could have been an actual cancerous skin eruption from leukemia?)...Then he dies and she started 'channeling' JERRY--that told me its all FAKE, for the money and she is leading her followers down the proverbial money laden path. Get real.

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      David Stone 19 months ago from New York City

      Sorry, everyone who writes something you don't like doesn't have an axe to grind. Maybe some are just interested in writing the truth about what they see or think both sides of a story, not just the sales side, should be considered. I hope balance isn't a problem for you.

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      Fasi 19 months ago

      Wow, you seem to have an axe to grind.

      Let it go...

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      David Stone 21 months ago from New York City

      You make some aggressively good points, RainbowKittens. All I can add is that the Abraham-Hicks Cult, like many religions, is founded on hatred toward the world, the real one that requires work, thinking and is not sprinkled with fairy dust.

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      David Stone 21 months ago from New York City

      Avie, lashing out an name-calling aren't really defenses, are they? Just for the record, I read all of the books available at the time I wrote this, and I have good friends who worked closely with Esther and Jerry. I also listened to many hours of podcasts of their "workshops." I was also one of the earliest members of the Abe Forum. I hope it doesn't disappoint you terribly that someone who may have just as much exposure, and probably more, as you sees things differently than you do.

      This makes you angry for some reason. Generally, when someone starts spitting, fuming and hurling accusations, it's because some doubt in themselves has been stirred. That's good. Unless you are aware of both sides of any issue, you can never be sure of yourself. Looking deeper is a better response than anger. It's no problem for me. I've been attacked by Abers for years, usually with the same all emotion, no argument style. But my advice to you is, check your anger at the door and see if your confidence is based on reality or wishful thinking. You might save yourself some trouble and years of wasted pursuit of the "law of attraction."

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      RainbowKittens 21 months ago

      Esther says of her current relationship with her dead hubby, Its better than ever. Hmmm, well Jerry must have been doing it wrong then. Or shes violently slandering him and doing the most awful for profit backstabbing I've ever seen.

      First an admission, I believe in and have experienced what I believe is LOA. Secondly, an admission, I think Esther Hicks and her "skilled inspiration", Abraham (her sites words) are like cockroaches hiding behind and contaminating some beautiful spirituality. Any use anyone gets from "LOA" is in SPITE of Esther and Abraham, not because of it.

      Take this for example, stolen and contaminated antibiotics may still work, but it nothing like the read deal, and it may have terrible side effects, like this cult of delusion Esther Hicks is selling.

      If you are a dishonest person, it must be your dream to have an product, when it doesn't work, you just claim, You must be doing it wrong, and because the product is delusion, then its obvious if you perceive something off, you are simply not pleasurably deluded enough.

      Imagine for a moment this, that delusion is her opinion of being pleased within this world.

      Esther advocates delusion, because she is a non believer.

      Delusion is the opposite of real love. Esther has soothed her sheeple to sleep, and once asleep she whispers, Delusion is The Way, Do not wake up, no matter what you see.

      Imagine this for a moment, that seeing through delusion, that being principled, honest, genuinely giving to others, is not a "PAIN" to anyone but the criminal. Which is why Esther says, lying is just a way to feel better. Because she empathizes with the dishonest. She lies and says everything is simply a path to feeling better. Then what of people who choose to harm, or help? Are they equal? Only a criminal would insist so. And only a criminal would not understand that there is pleasure in sacrificing for others, in upholding standards of honesty and integrity.

      This is why its okay to "merge" with "Jerry" and play, for profit, what would Jerry say. Because delusion is the only pleasure you can find in a world that you actually hate. So, is Jerry just sensations Esther feels or imagines, or a real being, with a real spirit? Is the pleasurable delusion of playing, "what would Jerry say?", equal or better than having his physical body around?

      And is Esther doing a skilled inspiration of Jerry, or actually channeling him? Shes never claimed to channel anyone ever. So this means Jerry is a skilled inspiration much like Abraham.

      This disgusts me. So, how about a joke to lighten up the mood?

      What goes baddabumpKATCHING?

      The sound Esther in the Monster Bus running over Jerrys body and cashing in on his ghost.

      If anyone finds this offensive, remember what Esther says when an old person dies, "its good to see the old ones go" and "croaked" and "there is no death" Its all just a fat joke, and all death is suicide right? And suicide is just catching up and getting all your stuff, right?

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      Avie 21 months ago

      Wow! What a shallow, petty, small-minded individual YOU are!! I dont know anything about Abraham Hicks but i DO know a bitter,mean-spirited person when I see one! Do us all a favor,dude, and switch to decaf before you begin another diatribe on YOUR version of the truth. From the sound of all the comments, you dont strike me as a big supporter of the first amendment OR Voltaire. Good luck to you.

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      Yes, people are quite capable of making their own choices, which is why it's good that they have a chance to consider all points of view. That's how we chose presidents, decide what movies to which and what foods we eat.

      Yet, you say, "who cares what they claim or don't claim," as if integrity and honesty are of no consequence.

      I understand that it's not easy to be shown that your most cherished beliefs may be based on flimflam, but if your beliefs have a solid foundation, they will survive any storm anyway.

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      lin8t 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I'm not sure I understood the point of this article. If a person doesn't like something then tune out. People are quite capable of making their own choices. At the end of the day everyone is human, who cares what they claim or don't claim. The only important thing is what you choose to do with your own life.

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      You're claim that we can't know anything that exists doesn't hold water. We know a lot. The Abraham-Hicks philosophy, if it actually qualifies as something that coherent, is in fact filled with claimed facts, some hilariously inaccurate. These stand cheek by jowl with claims that we make it all up, equally hilarious, as long as you don't fall for it and start alienating friends and family with the nonsense as many have done.

      Let's take an example. Esther has claimed that human's did not descend from apes, via evolution, but that humans were a whole different idea. We know from a very well populated and carefully document tree that what she says simply isn't so. She also claims that people were alive in the time of the dinosaurs. The fossil record proves she's off by millions of years. You see, it's not that she denies there are facts. She's just careless, from lack of education, in knowing what they are.

      I don't know why you put "speak the truth" in quotations. You weren't quoting me. What I share are my opinions, based on objective observation, personal experience and education. Maybe not truth with a capital T, but honest and genuine.

      By the way, I was and am a hippie. And as far as your claim that I "rail against them so," haven't you heard of having a different opinion? Everyone who disagrees with Esther Hicks' claims isn't railing against her. Balance is a good thing. And as far as judgment goes, that's a red herring. All of us judge all the time - who to make friends with, what jobs to do, what to have for lunch. It's a big part of what makes us human. We reason. We decide. That's judgment.

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      acb 2 years ago

      Also, they NEVER claimed to adhere to the "truth" but just the opposite...the promoted ignoring reality if it doesn't suit you. Sure, sticking your head it the sand can be as much a form of resistance as swimming upstream but that is for us to figure out...to get to that point of honesty with ourselves. I love the theatricality of it, the charlitanism of it...THAT"S THE POINT! On top of this, the clincher is that what they promote is that DYING IS AWESOME! So arguably, Jerry n Esther, not being Abraham, may have had some difficulties with it. Ha, so fun!

      Creating communicable teachings is infamously difficult, if not impossible to do. But in my experience, (philosophy and religious studies) the way the Hicks folks lead us to water is pretty effective and for sure fun...i might even make some of the more bitter wells like death sweet or at least palatable.

      You can say that you are a writer and that as a writer you feel you need to "speak the truth" but does that need to be the aim of everyone then? And even if one were to allow that that is the underlying aim of all writers (which I am sure there are many that would not!) does the way one aims to do that have to be uniform? More importantly the idea of the "truth" is NOT a done deal. How foolish to be arguing it as something that definitely exists moreover is something you have a grasp of...this is fun! I love arguing! :D Dood, I get as sick of the hippie dippie BS as much as the next...New Yorker...but I also know that the most I can know is that I know nothing and any "judgment" I feel justified in making is a red flag, hopefully found suspect, and subsequently called in for questioning. So, what is your deal? Why do you rail against them so?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @carriedale: carriedale, your claim that there is no objective truth is one of the dumbest I've ever heard. Such emptiheadedness explains how you manage to be an Abraham-Hicks follower.

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      carriedale 3 years ago

      Truth is what we decide it is. If you think Abe-Hicks is the truth, then so it is! If you don't, then you will find your proof. So does it feel better and more truthful to believe what they teach, or not? If not, then I would suggest finding someone who does line up more with what you feel is your version of the truth, rather than going out on a limb to convince others of your truth. And, in practicing what I preach, I am totally cool with either you believing they are the real deal, or not. I only want for everyone to follow their truth, feel good and enjoy life.

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      angelofabundance 3 years ago

      I have listened to many channeled recordings of Abraham. I like the series on LOA. I am a firm believer in LOA even before Mr. Hicks. I have never read his work I have to admit but I have read about him. I am of the opinion that when anyone is well known in the public eye that there will always be negative commentary , speculation and judgments.What ever the real "story" is , we are only getting one side and hearing one side. I feel that in our human bodies we make mistakes misinterpret and form our opinions based on our experiences in our life.I choose not to make any judgement even though as a human I do wonder what the reality is, but that is my human brain. I feel that we are ALL here to learn and grow and we all make choices that do not always turn out to be good, but that's how we grow. So i have not formed an opinion about the inconsistencies or what they teach or their message. I my self am a medium and we are never 100% accurate.But I have to say Some people need to hear teachings any times before they get it. for you and I we get what we need and we are done. Thanks for the thought provoking lens!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @catamaran6: I have no idea what loopy idea "step four" is, but Esther's rationalizations about Jerry's death were all after the fact. Before and during his illness, they both claimed he was not resisting anything, but was on the path of least resistance, in fact. Jerry even claimed in an email blast that he'd recorded a session with Abraham that highlighted whatever it was he did that caused him to be ill (The still weren't 'fessing up to cancer yet.) and he "would never do that again." Jerry tried every treatment available, including a reported (then denied) trip to South Korea for experimental therapy during which he died. If he was willing to go through all that, even declaring his intention to get well and back on stage, why didn't he just take an Abraham cure and be well within "a few days?" The Abraham-Hicks crowd, which on their website still claims Jerry is alive, never answered that question. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.PS: Jane Roberts was a chain smoker who died of lung cancer, not some vibration. Her writings are a lot more credible than Esther's lazy, dumbed down spirituality.

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      catamaran6 3 years ago

      I'll try that one. Abe has used both "croaked" and "transitioned" forever. They usually use croak when they're talking about the future but if someone is in the hotseat who has suffered a loss, they say transition. Esther has been amazingly candid about why Jerry's vibration wasn't in the right place to heal. His resistance might be part of what your blog points to. Abe talks often about how Esther hears this stuff but can't always apply it. It's one thing to channel, or listen to this info. Following successfully takes mastery. Possibly the greatest channel ever, Jane Roberts died tragically young, and Seth said the same thing. Abe has also said you can live forever, but it's not the point. Jerry was wayyyy up there - I believe he was well over 20 years her senior, and she's close to 70. His transition seemed to have taught Esther much and she has never been more in her personal alignment with step four.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @spiritrhythms: So, then, can you - in your wisdom and with your great experience - explain why Jerry "transitioned" but everyone else "croaked." "Abraham" used to get a crude chuckle, bragging about being "so disrespectful" when others' loved ones died. She even said, "It's good to see the old ones go." How come all that stopped when it was Esther's loved one.And why on earth would anyone need a "'bridge' to prove the spirit is eternal" when they already had Abraham? And if Jesus already did it, as you claim, why would a nobody special like Jerry need to do it again? Why not just croak like everyone else?This is cultish hogwash.

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      spiritrhythms 3 years ago

      If one has been following the workshops; Jerry became a transition or "bridge" to prove the spirit is eternal (as Jesus did) and he is now a part of the Abraham Spirit Guide Group channeled by Esther. Spirit is an extension of God, and God has "not" stopped talking to us. :)

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @bev2010: Oh, boy, you picked a team there. First, Louise Hay is a publisher. Her business is selling books, including some really questionable authors like Gary Renard.If you're paying attention at all, you'll notice that Wayne Dyer is a good soldier who endorses everything, including Gary Renard, he is asked to by Hay House. He has hurt his own credibility this way, but it still sells books, which is what the game is about.Neale Donald Walsch? Are you kidding? Not only was he caught plagiarizing the work of another, less known writer (He said he must have somehow unconsciously absorbed the work which he reproduced almost exactly and claimed as his own.), his most popular work, Conversations with God, is no more than a rehash of other people's research which Walsch claims God himself delivered to him in private conversations. Like "spiritual guru" Esther Hicks, Walsch has never come up with a single original idea I am aware of. It's all reprocessed for sale and pitched, much like the Hicks' work, as privileged information from a divine source. which it certainly is not. By the way, you could make a much longer list of respectable spiritual leaders who wouldn't touch Esther Hicks with a ten foot pole, let alone recommend her.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @bev2010: bev2010, who asked?

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      bev2010 3 years ago

      If it was a scam it wouldn't be recommended by the main spiritual gurus such as Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer and Neale Donald Walsch!

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      bev2010 3 years ago

      I think you should concentrate on your own life and have compassion for others.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @andynash100: Sorry to disappoint you, Andy, but as a matter of fact, I'd bet you good money I've listened to and read more of Abraham-Hicks books and workshops than you have. And the quote you claim was "modified" is the full version of an A-H daily quote mass e-mailed many times to followers. And I'll go you one better. I have good friends who knew Jerry and Esther personally, travelled with them on their old Monster bus and dined with them. I have plenty of anecdotes I haven't shared. One person wanted to me to write a book about them. My expertise on them, from a lot of exposure and off-line experiences is extensive. So, you needn't worry about my not having "taken the time to even start to understand," comforting though it may be for you to hide behind that hopeful untruth. Our disagreeing on what we take out of our exposure to Esther and Jerry shouldn't be misconstrued as a lack of understanding.And Abraham does claim proper manipulation of the "law of attraction" does turn you into a superhuman "megabeing" or does "You create your own reality" mean something other than what it clearly says? A lot of Abe followers have tried to back off Esther's more extreme claims since Jerry died or made the startling claim that what's clearly in black and white is being misinterpreted. That helps Esther by letting her off the hook, freeing her from ever explaining the lies about Jerry's illness and why her cures never did him any good.Here's a tip for you though. Jerry never practiced any of the Abraham methods, like focus wheels and so on, and Esther didn't do a lot them either. Guess why.

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      andynash100 3 years ago

      Ok, the article seems to be written by someone who is well-intentioned in pursuing his version the truth, but has totally misunderstood Abraham-Hicks's version of law of attraction. He claims Jerry and Esther once said they could heal any disease in an afternoon, but doesn't back that up with any references to where they actually said that, only an ambiguous, modified version of something that was said subesquently.Fact is, nobody claims law of attraction turns anyone into some superhuman megabeing resistant to absolutely everything at the snap of a finger. Law of attraction is good and helpful for some people, but there are other people who won't relate to it at all. If you don't relate to it, and it's not your thing, then that's cool. But the author of the article displays a lot of vitriol criticizing something that he clearly hasn't taken the time to even start to understand. Sometimes it can be quite emotionally rewarding to write a vitriolic article blasting some terrible perceived scam out of the water, and I feel this article is more about the author than it is about Esther and Jerry Hicks.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @sjeromes: Is it a gift or a curse to reinforce your magical beliefs by ignoring facts and grasping as theoretical straws? Give yourself a little time to gain perspective, then come on back and let us know what your experience teaches you.First, you're arguing against Esther and Jerry, not me. I agree. By 84, your body is likely to start breaking down in serious ways. Jerry's did. What happened, though, contradicted everything Esther and Jerry had been pitching for years. The quotes are posted above, if you care to read them. (You probably don't because you have a problem with facts.Jerry admitted he was hospitalized and receiving chemotherapy, having lied about his condition just a few days before, but he scrambled to misrepresent his condition as being caused by a spider bite or a high white blood cell count. Never mentioned cancer and neither did Esther until he died, and the reason is obvious. They could not square the facts with what they'd been teaching, so they ignored the facts.Contrary to you claim, early on, Jerry said he was sailing through chemo, amazing all the medical staff as his lack of adverse symptoms. He later went on to claim that he'd had a conversation with "Abraham" -- we know who that is, right? Abraham, he said helped him pinpoint the cause of his illness. Jerry said, without details, that he was never going to do that again. As time passed, he and Esther claimed to be "playing" together on weekends. They even staged a balloon ride in which they tried to show Jerry out having a good time. Of course, all this was twisted to sales pitches, but what isn't with them? Even the daily quotes they email now have pitches for what they call workshops.Finally, "Abraham," through Esther, always said it was supposed to be easy. Now, you say it isn't. Hm? Jerry cuddled up next to Abraham every night. Why didn't all those easy cures work for him, for as Esther claims "any illness." By the way, Jerry reinforced the teachings by saying he would not die of a disease, but would chose his own fantastic method. He fantasized about jumping out a window because, according to Abraham, neither illness nor aging were necessary, so why do either?Finally, your concern for "that weak part" of me is touching. But I already know what it is. I'm a writer by profession. When you write, I believe, you have a moral obligation to be as truthful as you can. Playing safe by ignoring the facts or their implications isn't okay. Integrity's my weakness. I hope you understand.

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      sjeromes 3 years ago

      You are wrong! If anything Hicks death does more to prove Abrahams teachings than it disproves them. You have an 84 year old man fighting cancer and most likely in tremendous PAIN!!! That in it self would make it difficult enough for anyone to concentrate enough to obtain a healing. Add to the fact that at his age there might have been a part of him that just wanted to move on? That too would have prevented a healing. You made the assumption that he was somehow superhuman because of his beliefs but that's not the case. Even Jesus died my friend. We all have it in us to obtain whatever we want in this life but we still have to deal with our human weaknesses. If this stuff were easy after all everyone would be in perfect health and win the lottery. Now maybe its time for you to look in yourself and find out what that weak part of you is that makes it necessary for you to write stuff like this?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @eileenwright: Thank you for commenting, Eileen.

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      eileenwright 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: I agree with you! And to be honest, I didn't research them when I started reading a couple of their books. But that was because what I read was very much in line with what I had read from other authors, ones I do trust, such as Venice Bloodworth, Joseph Murphy, Ernest Holmes, Charles and Myrtle Fillmore and others. The Hicks explained the Law of Attraction in a way that helped me to understand it more clearly.I'm very glad I found your site. II didn't know Jerry Hicks had passed until I heard a very recent interview of Esther by Wayne Dyer. So I googled Jerry and found you!And I will say, as one of your readers did, there are things about them that never sat well with me (like Esther's accent change when Abraham first comes in and then tends to disappear as the seminar progresses) So for me, the jury is still out. Reading your articles, I would tend to agree with you that they were/are very slick marketers. And of course I had no idea about their previous infidelities.But do I think channeling is a fantasy? Well, I think of Edgar Cayce. I do know there were accusations of fraud made against him but that there were some pretty amazing healings based on his suggestions. And if memory serves, he was not a well-educated man and yet he could give detailed medical advice after being spot-on with his diagnosis. And he was accused of saying some pretty crazy stuff too.If Abraham is a total scam, i'm happy I only spent a few dollars on two of their books. And if I had spent more, then I am the only one to blame because I didn't do my research. And yes, I agree that everyone should only spend money on a credible teacher...wish Venice Bloodworth were still with us. But I still say, it's up to the individual to make an informed decision. But do appreciate very much your point of view!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @eileenwright: Well, okay, but if you're going to spend your cash on a teacher, why not a credible one that doesn't have a history of nutty, inaccurate claims?

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      eileenwright 3 years ago

      I don't know whether Abraham-Hicks is a scam or not. Maybe it is. But even if they were only regurgitating Napoleon Hill and other "feel-good" spiritual leaders, there is still truth in the message. There are just too many sources of the same message spread out over centuries from all over the world to believe that the Law of Attraction and related spiritual principles is a fantasy made up by desperate humans looking for relief from the pain in their lives. All one has to do is take a look at quantum physics to understand there is WAY more going on than meets the eye! And I have had experiences that I guess a skeptic would chalk up to being just coincidences, but I believe them to be more than that. When you look at Nature, at everything, it is so difficult to believe that whatever Force that is, it is also present in us? So-called spontaneous healing, telepathic communication (most of us have had the experience of thinking of someone and "coincidentally" the phone rings and there they are!), an internal "nudge: that we should or should not do something (which later turned out to be a good thing like someone feeling they shouldn't get on a plane and it later crashes),...all of this points to something much much bigger than we can perceive.The Hicks' are/were spiritual beings having a human experience. And maybe in their humanness, creating a character known as Abraham to communicate their beliefs was what they did. And maybe they feel that the end (helping people) justifies the means. Only they know for sure. And if their motives were not at all altruistic and they were/are laughing all the way to the bank, I do believe that what goes around, comes around. Nothing vengeful about this principle, it just is what it is. But the bottom line is everyone has a choice as to how they want to spend their money and if there are those who choose to go see Abraham, that is their right. But it is wise to remember Caveat Emptor!

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      dave97 3 years ago

      Lol many opportunists,so little time.Dr. Hulga Clark was a renowned alternative medicine guru who claimed to have many cures for cancer.UNFORTUNATELY THEY JUST DIDN`T WORK ON HER.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ronalds4percent: So, there you go, buddy. You made your way through three comment sections without once responding to the subject, only to the comments. The Abraham-Hicks advocates retain their perfect record for evasion.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ronalds4percent: If you were here on Earth with the rest of us, you'd be more aware that telling people the "life is like movie" shows contempt for the way they live their lives, your level of awareness being so superior. Life isn't like a movie. You seem to forget that we participate in ours. Only advocates of such gobbledygook as "ego concepts" see it as anything so shallow as "play." Life's an investment, not entertainment. "Thanks life, for having me...?" Oh, brother, where do you guys get this stuff? Oh, wait, I know. From Hay House writers who specialize in facile solutions that succeed the nonsense advocated last year by Hay House writers.

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      ronalds4percent 3 years ago

      @sharka69: We all do the best we can, at any given moment in time. This goes for EVERY-BODY, no exceptions. Understanding this 'truth' will not eliminate the 'reflex' to judge, but it could make your life experience a lot more enjoyable. Sharka69 has clearly reached this level of awareness, where the 'ego concepts' probably are still there, but one isn't as much attached to them anymore, compared to most, conditioned, people. Life is like a movie, where you're both watching and playing at the same time - it's just a question of: how much of the time (if any) are you aware of the part you're playing? (and what's outside that movie? Although, this might not even be a 'valid' question, but more like the ego in action, searching for one more concept for its collection :-)Thanks life, for having me

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      ronalds4percent 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: DaveStone13 - Yawn, yawn, yawn...

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      sharka69 3 years ago

      I read and listen widely and the Abraham material is one source of teachings that I have returned to over the years. I am also interested in criticism of any work I study but I have found no criticism of Abraham-Hicks to be particularly convincing.For me what matters is the material- the teachings themselves. I never felt Jane Roberts death in 1985 cast any aspersions on her work as Seth, for example. The material still speaks for itself and I never hold the life of the messenger as being the example of whether the work is valid or not. That measurement is my own experience and what I observe of the world around me.The nature of this work is that it connects our inner and outer experience and because we only have access to our own inner experience we can only judge the validity of the work by looking at our own life and inner world. Other people's experiences are irrelevant in this regard because we don't have access to their inner experience to judge its relationship to their outer manifestations.Jerry's death and his use of chemotherapy near the end doesn't surprise me. Sure, it reflects a lack of faith in his ability to heal himself but when you are desperate most will turn to outside help and may even use treatments they previously rejected. This says nothing about the validity of the teachings, it just tells us about human nature and the nature of human conditioning.Thanks for your work.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Mirata: Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Mirata.

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      Mirata 3 years ago

      I guess I quite understand your point. I just want to say that no one use only one source of information. Law of Attraction is a fact (Jerry and his wife are not inventors), regardless of how someone call it, just they make the things to sounds easy and simple. Which not always is so. Old truth is that people teach others of that to what they themselves want to learn. No matter if they know about that or they think that they are masters. Of course, it would be ideal if Jerry had more strength and faith, or Esther more humility and wisdom. BUT this would happen in an ideal world. This does not mean that in their books not exist enough good things that can be used. I think your point is more moral than the practical. Of course, that for the people with hard problems, this is not relevant guidance. But people with hard problems not use that kind of books. Of course, that one should sifted the information trought his own the moral code and personal instinct, but this applies to all the things you see and do. Especially this is true for many practical realistic (and mostly cynical) philosophies of life. Every human being chooses what to believe and how to make sense of their lives. I think it is very brave (there's another word for it) to disparages and underestimate intellectually the people because they choose to believe in something that you do not believe. In all cases, your information is useful and enlightening. So thank you very much and have good day!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Shedrackari: Shedrackari - Yawn...

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      Shedrackari 3 years ago

      I just get to discover the Hicks books and presently reading the laws of attraction, very fascinated book i must add. Going through your article here, pretty interesting I must say, however does not prove what I have read so far false. I mean after so many years of providing information and guidance from this non physical entity, it would take once death to use as a tool to try sway others and yourself from that the Hicks are a host is ridiculous. I mean death is inevitable right, all will experience it, want it or not its coming. In respect to the illness who knows what state of mind Jerry was in. Please note as quickly u get into alignment you can also get out (Abraham). Further in respect to illness, Abraham did mention if in your state of mind conventional medicines you believe will get you some relieve, then that is the route you will take. So maybe Jerry was at the state, cancer is a serious sickness, scary, its possible Jerry was focus on the cancer instead of health. Abraham said, if the focus is absent of health then of coarse you will attract sickness... I mean Jerry ask Abraham about about few ppl who were very ill, didn't pay attention to illness and got well. It might have been difficult for him an old man. My suggestion Mr. Dave, is read the books before attacking a movement years in existence just because the co founder dies.Ms. Williams, yes the book talks about following our instinct (guiding system/broader you) and you will never go wrong whether you know that guiding system exist or not :)

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @williamslaw: Good for you. You must've been encouraged to trust yourself when you were young. Not everyone gets that.Thank you.

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      williamslaw 3 years ago

      Never been a follower. I have always trusted my instincts and it is really satisfying to know my instincts have never failed me.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: In the past, I recognise I could not hear the "music" because of the noise of group perceptions. The term "despicable character", particularly in the era of mass media, is subject to the same second hand noise perhaps ?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @brian-fletcher-127: For me, it would, yes. "Divine," a word I've really grown to dislike for all its excessive use, is in the eyes and ears of the beholder.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Just remembered a favorite confrontational example. If one discovered that Mozart was a "despicable character", would that diminish the affinity one had developed with such divine music ?

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,The point I missed, from my own experience, is that "authenticity" in this subject of advanced levels of consciousness comes ONLY from personal first hand experience. Eben Alexander being a brilliant example of an advanced intellectual (scientist), communicating from his personal "first hand experience",which by definition, becomes anecdotal when it is passed on, and also by definition, doesn't fit the realm of the empirical.Scientists who have yet to experience such phenomena as E.A. have (usually) a derogatory view of such evidence and can become quite hostile.(Yes it happens amongst intellectuals also). They are only being true to their group consciousness of course. A phenomenon clearly understood by the likes of E.A., if not initially, definitely by now. A channel, also by the same definition, provides ONLY anecdotal information.Channeling as such, is purported to be (by the practitioners) a stream of information, from beyond the channel's own direct stream. Daryl Ankar (Bashar) explains this well. He states unequivocally, he does not have the same level of clarity as does his "entity" even though, the entity states he is an advanced stage of Daryl. The reason Im mentioning this, is that those who gravitate from a "confident belief" through this type of source(one step from knowing) can be easily "thrown", by the behavior of the messenger, as I mentioned previously.The bottom line is, experience is the ONLY teacher. It is good to remember that a "master" has achieved mastership by exactly the same process..EXPERIENCE, and, as the marvelous snowflake example, will affirm that no two experiences can be (or need to be) alike.Those at the believers stage, share common interpretations, usually via past channels (scribes as such)..anecdotal again, of past masters. Essential steps on the journey...as "current masters" will confirm.They are EXPERIENCING "beliefs", without which, the individual will not be able to recognise "knowing". (The basis for "Judge not" perhaps .....)In this context, I had already experienced what Abraham/Bashar et al have communicated, so heard only confirmation, and because of that experience, I completely understand why the channel may not be able (yet) to apply the very wisdom they are a catalyst for. I have no need to pursue Esther's explanation re her husbands death. I know the nature of believers responses, being one of the costs of the $ophist must pay. Yet another essential step.Final point....It is easy to throw the message away, and "lock in" to the nature (judgment) of the messenger. Such examples being observable differences between belief and knowing.In my early days, I experienced a master who purposely (in full consciousness), by his behavior, disrupted his believer streams, where they left with much indigence leaving only the "knowers" to continue. Often such masters experience the opposite in their "apprentice" stage. They often develop awareness that contradicts believer groups consciousness they once had an affinity with, and are kicked out!!! My favorite example being Socrates.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @brian-fletcher-127: Thank you for your comment, Brian.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      There is always a role for $ophists in our world. I have only fairly recently listened to "Abraham" and my favorite Bashar. Thing is, I learned about the role of these "professional" teachers decades ago, and when I listen to them (these two at least) I get immense amounts of confirmation of realities I have long been "in tune" with. Factors which I have experienced first hand. There was one of Abraham recently, where an intending would be Congressman asked in effect, "how can I be of some value". Her response was absolutely brilliant, and this man of obviously of the highest ethics replied by saying "that's the most advanced spiritual political insight I have ever heard" It was indeed.What did I think when I just heard about the death (an hour ago)? Same as I always have on my path. For those who have not yet totally embraced their own authentic reality, such events will "throw them".Perhaps a long bow to draw (but typical emotional reaction). Why would the "son of God" in the Christian tradition, be allowed by the Father, to suffer as he did. The $ophists say, it was "for their sins", when the teacher himself said that we all reap what we sow..a tradition of awareness known as karma, that predates the western religious understanding ,but is now embraced with both classic and quantum physics.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ecogranny: That's a fairly accurate summary, although the sequence was not quite like that.Thank you, especially for noticing the title I used to give myself.

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      Kathryn Grace 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Until your articles here, I never heard of Abraham-Hicks or the Hicks family. Reading your article, I can almost feel the sense of betrayal you must have felt as your disillusionment grew. Yet it seems that from that disillusionment, at least in part, arose a mind that learned to trust itself and its own visions.I congratulate you on coming through to the other side and discovering within yourself "the happiest man in the world."

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @xarrian: Sorry, kid. There is no positive or negative way of looking at things. All there is is an honest look at the clearest truth. Uhm, Jerry himself said that he wanted to live through the leukemia and get back on the road with Esther as soon as he gained back 15 pounds. How, then, did you figure out that it was his "choice of moving on?" Was Jerry lying? Or do you think he deliberately wanted to make what his wife had preached for year look foolish? How any human being, when having a choice, fails to see the big picture is sad indeed, a sorry commentary on the state of wisdom about Abraham-Hicks followers. If you look at the whole thing, it will only seem bad, if it is. Spiritually genuine teachers have no fear of the facts. No reason to. But Esther tells you to look at things from just one angle. Guess why.

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      xarrian 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Man oh man! DS .. you remind me of an old old old man .. filled with too much hurt to be able to see the sun - and, with nothing better to do than what you obviously do. How any human being, when having a choice of looking at the positive and looking at the negative .. choose the negative ... is sad indeed. I guess when you look at death from a duality perspective, and as a bad thing, as you must do, it would be fairly impossible to 'see' how Jerry may have enjoyed his choice of moving on. Ha! Moving on from unconsciousness in some might even be a JOYOUS CHOICE! Don't you think. And pleeease .. no answer is necessary - read one - you've read them all.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Yes, and 15 pounds of weight loss in about a month. They grow 'em extra nasty down there.

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      waynewilliams57 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Good to hear from you to Dave. I am living in Florida these days. But I got be careful as you know, there are big bad poisonous spiders here. Sure would not want to get whacked by the species that bit Jerry Hicks. Dem Kind uh spidas down heuh in the South have been know to cause CANCER.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Hey, Wayne. Hadnt heard from you in a while. I see you've kept your passions stoked. Thanks for jumping in.

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      waynewilliams57 3 years ago

      @ikabob: Hello Ikabob: This lens by Dave Stone is about one thing and one thing only. Jerry Hicks now deceased and croaked from cancer, Esther Hicks the remaining partner of the scam duo, and Abrascam themselves (and no I did not mis-spell) lied, deceived, and manipulated thousands of people by trying to cover up the fact: THAT JERRY HICKS CROAKED, DIED, AND LEFT THIS PHYSICAL PLANE because HE ATTRACTED cancer into his life and he could not do anything but CROAK as a result which goes against everything Abrascam teaches that we cannot attract anything into our experience unless we invite it. Jerry therefore INVITED CANCER AND CROAKING BECAME THE INEVITABLE RESULT. In the future Ikabob, please stick to the topic at hand. And a message to you Esther as well. Is Ikabob really the best name you could come up with for your latest endeavor to continue to throw up a smoke screen to hide what really happened. Ikabob: That was a good one. Almost made me laugh.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @SteveKaye: Thanks, Steve. Amazing, yes, but pretty disappointing too.

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      SteveKaye 3 years ago

      Amazing! Thank you for publishing this lens.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ikabob: Since you copied and pasted in two different places - apparently you planned your visit here - I left this one up. You are sadly misinformed about the facts, and Jerry never made a peep about deeper breaths. You also misspelled Esther's name. An "ester" is a chemical compound, not a person.Since you wrote your comment in advance and stopped by to paste it, I'd think you'd have done a better job. Doesn't say much for the A-H crowd of followers.

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      ikabob 3 years ago

      There has never been a charge for Abrahams message. At any gathering of Abraham an introduction CD is available free of charge. You may write them for one as well and it is postage paid free of charge. I personally chose to meet Jerry and Ester and attend several of their seminars and purchase several tapes. The message has remained the same throughout. I have never witnessed anyone being forced into participation.Jerry has made it clear what Abrahams message is, thus, drink more water, Think more better feeling thoughts and breath more deeper breaths.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @shadowfast7: Thanks.

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      Sure Temp 3 years ago

      stopped to say hi :) nice lens!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for the thought, esteb. I disagree with you position about there being no "real contribution" to criticizing Esther and Jerry Hicks. In the face of boundless promotion by this operation, balance is a necessity. People considering them ought to be able to look at both sides. The Hicks people do not think anyone should be allowed to disagree, and they make efforts to stifle criticism when they can. I don't know if you can still see the thread, but Wikipedia's initial realistic report was attacked directly by Jodi Barron, then an acolyte who helped control the so-called Abe Forum. Barron relentlessly attacked until all that was left was the toothless "objective" report you see today for Esther Hicks, who according to what's left of Wikipedia is an "inspiration speaker," leaving the major nuttiness out.Those of us who are Abraham Hicks skeptics are filling in gaps no one else is willing to handle. Realistically, if what Esther Hicks presents is so viable, she should have no concern about anything written here. Wouldn't the "law of attraction" sort it all out anyway? Of course, she knows that's hogwash as well as I do.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      In 4 words: "Follow the money trail"...I would have been somehow skeptical on the validity of some of the observations made by the author of this Blog, if the "Hicks" would have offered their help to humanity without asking huge some of money (like they did for many years). That being said, what is the real contribution behind any attacks of the Hicks for their allegedly wrongdoing ? None.But, the author has the total right to bring up any issues (and he does it thoroughly) that could mislead people in their spiritual journey.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: There's always hope, Ahna, but I don't think, objectively, that Esther has it in her as a solo act.

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: The months during Jerry's illness was, I agree, a missed opportunity. I wonder sometimes where the course of events would have led if Jerry and Esther had chosen to open up and let the love their community and a shared commitment to evolve open the "teachings" to an authentically shared process. I believe it could have been far more powerful than stories about problems with their homes and RVs. They made the choice, though, to withdraw even further into obfuscating through smoke and mirrors about their happy, carefree Life that could be had by all for the mere cost of a few workshops.Actually, I think it could still be very powerful and hope springs eternal in me that Esther will make the choice for the authentic path.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Of course, any entity with that wisdom and insight would elegantly and thoroughly clarify any confusion and refute any errors, just in the interest to fortifying those who trust it. That never happened.For me, the real sadness was when Esther missed a chance during Jerry's illness and after his death to come clean and help her followers understand and help them get oriented. Instead, she decided to milk the event for money. There really is nothing she can do now but go home and stay there that would really be helpful. As long as she keeps pitching this stuff, real voices of real value will not be as clearly heard.

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @anonymous: "(The photo here was taken, according to different sources, as long as a year and a half before his death. His weight loss is already visible. The source for the photo, a fan at the time, wishes to remain anonymous.)"In answer to whether I was ever a follower of Abraham-Hicks... the picture at the top of the article has the back of my head in it (over Esther's right shoulder.) It was taken in September, 2010, at their anniversary party. That would be 14 months before Jerry's passing.I've listened to A LOT of material over 14 years of participating in the "Jerry and Esther Hicks Show" and there are still concepts that I point to as very well scripted descriptions of concepts introduced by others, but not so well articulated. The idea of a vibratory set point from which our perceptual filters influence our interpretation of events, for example, shines for me as brightly as the algebraic equation: If A = B and B=C, then A = C. Both of them stand the test of time for me in application.That said, I know that Esther as Abraham said things to people that was medically and emotionally harmful. For example, when she told the person with type 1 diabetes, he should only test his blood sugar when he was "in the vortex" I knew for a fact, that was bad advice for the management of his health. I was in the audience for that one. That's just one very concrete example -- enough to disprove the validity of taking what Esther as Abraham says without testing and verifying across the board, imho.That doesn't diminish the entertainment value, or even the occasional insight that draws oblique esoteric concepts into easy to understand analogies. It does speak to the importance of discernment. If your articles do anything, David, they offer people the opportunity to question - to test and verify. If a teaching can't stand up to scrutiny, it isn't worth the cost of a workshop or a book, right? An advanced non-physical group of teachers would welcome that scrutiny, right?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Good and bad are personal, private judgments. You may not have noticed "anything bad" after your immersion in A-H's books and tapes, but others have seen plenty - advocating animal cruelty, trying formulas to rope in a cult following by offering advance warnings about natural disasters that never happened, blaming the victim when illness or misfortune strikes, encouraging a selfish lack of consideration for others, espousing magical medical practices that have gotten people into serious trouble, money-grubbing, etc.As an Abraham-Hicks follower, Sally, it's natural for you to be unable to deal with facts. Another odd characteristic I've seen is tendency to feel victimized on behalf of Esther and Jerry, as if any contrary opinion must be "full of hate and anger and jealousy." Abers seem to have a hard time accepting that others have opinions that differ from theirs. Another strange one I see a lot is volunteering advice, as if I or many others would be eager to hear what anyone so enmeshed in this simplistic, spiritually shallow theology has to say.PS: If my main interest was in selling my own books, they wouldn't be listed sixth and seventh after all the heavy hitters.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I don't understand this site. I have listened to a lot of Esther Hicks on tapes and books and they have never advocated anything bad, whereas this site is full of hate and anger and jealousy. Seems to me you are trying to sell your own books but are just not so successful. I suggest you work on a more loving and understanding perspective to sell more of your books.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: That's the point, it really is that simple. Most cures for cancer (fungus) really are simple, practically free and easy to administer, and if people began to truly know what these simple cures are then the huge multitrillion debt token, health scam, would simply cease to exist. Jerry Hicks, simply bought the snake oil that was sold to him by very convincing and cunning sales people who are often charismatic masters of the human language, he bought the myth and ignored the natural remedy, a remedy that he probably supported at one time or another. Don't be fooled by fancy college degrees and so called authority figures (actors), they're quite often demonstrated to be wrong. Awaken to the fact that we are all our highest authorities and you too can actually heal yourself of most any affliction with some simple knowledge that is your natural born RIGHT to know. Knowledge, really is powerful stuff. Perhaps, our first step in our evolution is to learn to distinguish between the facts of nature and the fictional fairy-tales that we're constantly being bombarded with by persistent word magicians and political acrobats who keep their myth of power by attempting to hypnotize us into giving them the fruits of our unnecessary labor.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Unlikely to be that simple.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes, I agree, but the results of specific evolutionary causes related to cancer for example can be observed to be certain by simply knowing it's environmentally conditional, and or biological effects.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Evolution takes time, and the results are never certain or inevitably good. What we see are the most current signs of its progress in human awareness.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: The point is, David. We're our own best Doctors. We might be wise to stop believing in all the crap that people are attempting to shovel our way.. The Hicks are an example of a certain kind of person who has simply learned to profit by selling their specific brand of snake-oil. The snake-oil is simply a belief based idea that has no basis in the science of FACT. I call the many American institutions that are based entirely on belief, Alice's Wonderland. The cancer institute, will never find a cure, the war institute, will never know the reality of peace, the money institute will never allow the abstract notion of a DEBT slave to become free from the bondage of belief. All these institutions of belief are accepted until they're released as our knowledge expands toward the realities of nature, where all solutions currently exist. Yes, it's perfectly natural that people hold their beliefs to the great detriment of themselves and others, but why hold these beliefs so dear as the cure is already HERE? We just need eyes to SEE.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: No, I am not in the spiritual business. I write about the subject sometimes. And many of her followers have realized that she has little of value to say and much that might be dangerous. Turn out at her "workshops" has diminished, and she had to cancel the once always old out cruises.Your seeing that all spiritual teachers are teaching almost the same thing suggests an over-dependence on a such people (or how would you know about so many?) and the absence of critical thinking. There are major differences in the teachings, although Esther and Jerry gradually worked their message down to the few that were easiest to sell to lazy people determined not to actually do the work of gaining personal insight. They just let Esther spoon feed them.If a spiritual teacher teaches anyone not to notice others' faults, then that teacher is an idiot. Adults make decisions about all sorts of things in life, including the people they let into their lives. Telling them not to discriminate is equal to telling them to be trusting babies in all circumstances. Fortunately, you can't do that, even if you want to, which leaves you in a permanent state of, in Esther's words, "not letting it in."

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi David ! I have heard a lot Esther on youtube. but this site against/for her I see only today first time. Are you also in same spiritual business as she and try to reveal that she is fake? If she is fake, her followers will realize sooner or later after getting no result as she teaches. why so much discussion and time spending on her ? This site is determination to bring her down. I see all spiritual teacher teach almost same thing. Interesting part is after being in same business when you try to expose other means , you try to expose yourself also. Spiritual teacher teaches not to notice others fault.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Part 2 of 3I listened to another of your recordings or it may have been in one of the earlier books I previously mentioned in which you have this to say regarding our Inner Being. You tell us that after a while if we fail to grow or become stuck and stop making progress towards our well being, then our Inner Being or higher self becomes discouraged and then stops offering positive support and feedback to us. Then you tell us that from then on we are pretty much on our own. This is the ultimate expression OF YOUR STUPIDITY AND TOTAL UNCARING IGNORANCE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOU LOOKING FOR RELIEF FROM THEIR SUFFERING. To tell someone that their higher self just gives up on them after a certain amount of time has elapsed and the person is no longer showing signs of growth is THE UTTER EXPRESSION OF YOUR CONTEMPT AND IGNORANCE FOR MANKIND. Of course you know all of this already.In another one of your workshop recordings you have this non-wonderful tidbit to share with your audience: NOW SOME OF YOU HERE ARE SO PINCHED OFF FROM YOUR WELL BEING TO THE POINT TO WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CROAK IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO PURE POSITIVE AWARENESS. Here you are telling hurting and depressed people sitting in your audience that they are going to have to commit suicide because they are so pinched off from their well being that they cannot be reached. YOU ARE A FOOL OF ALL FOOLS and the people who sit in your audience are bigger fools yet. There is an old saying that states: your enemies can teach you more about yourself than ever your friends will. Consider me your enemy because I will never honor, respect, or believe in your divinity. I know the real you and your intent to defraud and deceive and that is what you will learn from me.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave, I wanted to respond to what Abraham posted several weeks ago. Part 1 of 2Abraham: The main reason I have delayed so long in responding to you is as follows: YOU ARE JUST NOT THAT IMPORTANT OR WORTH MINE OR ANYONE ELSES TIME IN DOING SO. You probably noticed that not one person but Dave and I have replied to you. You are a NO THING, not worth the time and effort to do so. But respond I shall, not for you, but for me and the many others that may come across my words. You cannot help a single soul in distress, you never have, and you never will. You are a COSMIC CON ARTIST in the same group as Jach Pursel who channels Larazis, J.Z. Knight who channels Ramtha, and the many others who claim they are channeling an enlightened being. I will allow Jane Roberts and Seth to be real. Jane had no Ego such as Esthers and Jerrys and was not looking to become wealthy. I believe Jane although not perfect was legit in her efforts although she to was a hypocrite in the end and could not heal herself before she died. However I don't feel hate toward Jane and Robert Butts because I see no evidence they were trying to rip people off. But I do feel HATE AND CONTEMPT for you, and you deserve every portion of it. Of course you know this already.You are worthless to any person seeking help or aid unless they are already: TUNNED IN, TURNED ON, AND TAPPED IN. You cannot help anyone with any degree of severe depression, hated, resentment, murderous intent, negative feelings, anger towards you, suicidal intent, and self hatred. You are an enemy to such people. You are therefore an enemy of mine. Of course you know this already There was an article in one of your quarterly journals several years back where Esther was telling this story about a female friend of hers who was suicidal. Esther suggested she speak to you (Abraham) After speaking to you, she killed herself a few days later. Your stupid response was: She just wanted to go ahead and die so she could pop back into PURE POSITIVE AWARENESS of her true self. No Abraham: The poor woman was suicidal over conditions in her life she could not accept or feel she could change. She believed that in talking to you she would feel comforted and find solutions. She found no such solutions but more hopelessness from your ignorant answers and lack of understanding to her dilemma. THEN!!! She killed herself. In true essence: YOU KILLED THIS WOMAN WITH YOUR WORDS AND USELESS ADVICE. Talking to you is depressing. I know from my experience in the Hot Seat on November 1, 2006 in Tampa.You continually tell us that action is not the key to creation but thought in alignment with what we desire is the key. That is only a portion of the big picture. There is this GREAT BIG LIE you leave out of the answer: BELIEF!!! In your book: Money and the Law of Attraction you wrote this sentence in black bold print: YOU CANNOT CREATE OUTSIDE OF YOUR BELIEFS. Then you never addressed it any further. You never discuss belief or how to change it. And that is why you are a CON ARTIST OF ALL TIME alongside Tony Robbins and countless others. No one can have what they want no matter how much they want it as long as they believe they cannot have it or don't have the means to obtain it. To tell people that: If you would just direct your awareness back to the knowing that the answers you seek you already know, and to remember to trust your own judgment and your own wisdom, you will gain a firm feeling of relief and you start to allow more of the things that want to show up. only puts money in Esthers pocket and leaves the seeker hurting and resentful even more so. Whenever someone in the Hot Seat starts to talk negative or about what is hurting them, you butt in and cut them off and don't allow them to continue. You think that to block people from expressing their hurt is helpful, yet you have no idea that you are merely signing their death sentence. To truly help people you have to open yourself up to being attacked, judged, criticized, hated, and to experience all of their negative emotion towards you. Of course, you know this already. Abraham, you don't love or care about anyone. All you care about is the wealth bucket you create for Esther and the late Croaked Jerry Hicks. Of course you know this already.Abraham: I like what you wrote in one of your earlier books, either the pink or green book with the titles: A New Beginning One and Two. You state: JUST BECAUSE WE ARE NON-PHSYSICAL DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE SMART. These are the only true words you have ever spoken. Now I don't believe you spoke them to put yourself down or make yourselves look foolish. They were words of manipulation for your followers to say: Hey look everybody, even Abraham admits he is not smart at times. But the blatant truth is: YOU DAMN SURE AINT SMART. In fact there is no wisdom found in your words. You are the purest form of evidence that the non-physical has no more claim on wisdom or knowledge than does our lowly Earth and all its imperfections.Abraham: In your post here you state: With every book you read and every recording you listen to and every person you meet you constantly search for an answer as thought it does not exist. If you would just direct your awareness back to the knowing that the answers you seek you already know, ect. Good advice Abraham. So how do YOU justify making hundreds of recordings, writing numerous books, conducting thousands of workshops through the years and making a monetary profit from all of these endeavors if everyone already knows everything you write and speak about. All the Abraham Hicks organization is about is Money, plain and simple, always has and always will be, things for the body, material things, more pleasure, less pain, more of this, more of that. Of course you know all this already.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Hard to tell, Wayne. The security system could be screwing up. If there are any size limits, I'm unaware of them. Maybe it's the law of attraction getting revenge. 'Probably not, though. I'm headed out and won't be back on until this evening. Why not try splitting your comment in half and see if it works?

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave I am trying to post reply to the Abraham post from April. I have correctly entered the security words two times. I have logged of and back on and correctly typed a second security word. What am I doing wrong. Can my post be too long and that causing it not to post? Please delete this message

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: A bit off topic, Chad, but interesting as usual. Personally, I'd try almost anything before chemotherapy, but getting back to the topic, if this is true, why didn't he "masters of the universe" just trot Jerry over to the supermarket to buy this cheap easy cure?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Are we not yet aware that cancer is simply a fungus within the body? All fungi grow under acidic conditions. So if your PH balance is acidic, then simply take a couple of teaspoons of sodium bicarbonate with six ounces of water everyday, morning and night, until your blood reaches a consistently normal PH balance. Change your diet by eating less acidic foods. you can cure yourself of cancer, how do I know this? Because I've done it. Remember, the traditional allopathic medicine industry does not profit from curing you, they profit by either making you more ill than you already are, and keeping you treated for as long as they can before you die as they drain your bank accounts. This is evidenced by the fact that they treat you with carcinogens like "radiation" treatments, poisons, and cutting into the cancer so that it spreads to other parts of the body etc.. If you want to live a long and healthy life, realize that we are our own best doctors. The body has a tremendous capacity to heal itself under the right conditions. It's our job to know what those conditions are.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Interesting take on it, Wayne. I hope all's well with you.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey John: Sounds like "you" are the one who has a problem with criticizing others since you are attempting to criticize "Dave" for creating his own soapbox. Dave's soap box is nothing compared to the Soapbox that Esther Hicks and Abraham have created. They have stood on their soapbox for over 25 years and made millions from doing so destroying many lives along the way.You claim you are not able to understand the law of attraction and just could not through it. I disagree. The Law of Attraction has delivered you in a less than wonderful fashion directly to the door step of Dave's blog. You are just another Puppet sent her disguised as a person who does not believe in the law of attraction or knows very little of Esther. Nice try.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: John, you're missing the point. Soap boxes were pedestals people climbed on to advocate a point of view. That's a bit different than critiquing a public figure. I don't care what philosophy people follow, even though I try to make them aware of options, but public figures of any persuasion are fair game. Few are as obvious as Abraham Hicks. They are just easy to write about.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I've just been listening to the Hay House World Summit Esther Hicks' interview and came here as a result of Googling Jerry Hicks' death, of which I was unaware. I have read numerous books by uplifting authors, including a number of the books you have listed on this site. I was unable to get through The Law of Attraction. The information did not resonate with me.That said Dave, when you suggest that Christine "step off her soapbox", I wonder whether you might consider reflecting on the concept "what you criticize in others, you deny in yourself. My observation is that this site seems to to be YOUR soapbox.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Erin Mellor: Well, Erin, that gave me a healthy chuckle first thing in the morning.The Hicks always claimed they never "pushed" their products, just had them out there for those who were drawn to them. Funny in itself, but then another commenter reminded me of the earliest, less polished performances when Jerry would arrive with two thingsEsther and his credit card machine.

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      Erin Mellor 4 years ago from Europe

      The big clue with any 'spiritual awakening guru', is just how fast they want you to get your wallet out.

    Some thoughts on this subject you can share? - Thanks in advance.

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        David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

        You're right, Wayne, about Esther's birthplace. Most of her family, including one parent is Mormon as is her first husband, Richard, from whom she was divorced after beginning an affair with Jerry.

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        Wayne Peebles 2 years ago

        One of the interesting things I observed about the book. Ask and It Is

        Given, is that they mentioned Joseph Smith in the early part of the

        book. It seems that Esther Hicks was born in the town of Coalville, Utah!

        A small town outside of Salt Lake City, Utah; about an hour's drive. I remembered that name because it was on the way to Rockport Reservoir;

        a place I would go trout fishing. I would take their teachings with a grain

        of salt. Beware of false prophets in sheep's clothing; inside they are ravaging wolves. Pray always least you fall in temptation. A fool and his money are soon parted.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @spiritrhythms: You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but I'd love to sit down with you and hear you flesh out this mishmash of whacky ideas and leaps of faith. That first sentence alone ought to qualify for some kind of recognition for disjointed thought and unsupported claims.

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        spiritrhythms 3 years ago

        There are 7 billion realities on the planet, and mankind will find a way to prove what he wants to prove. Abraham is positive, supports happiness and well being, and if one is connected to their internal spirit, their teachings resonate.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @ronalds4percent: Yes, it will. It's a great example of changing the subject and not dealing with something for whatever reason. Cody's comment remains silly, whether you like my response or not. Nice try.

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        ronalds4percent 3 years ago

        A thought, not directly on this subject, but on the subject of the use of language:"DaveStone13 says: Cody, first try a spell checker. It might make you seem less silly,"It's my guess that language like this would stand little chance of getting published by... DaveStone13...Furthermore, this site is on of the rare relics that still has no 'build in' spell check feature for the comment forms. English is not everybodies first language (it sure isn't mine), so, making denigrating remarks on that only shows ones own ignorance and frustration...Just my two cents (won't get published anyway :-)

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @mossarden: You make a good point. The messages are not new. What is new with Abraham-Hicks is the commercialism in using other people's ideas while claiming they are original and the insularity, the refusal to speak openly and honestly. The Abraham-Hicks hustle obscures the better, more focuses and reliable work that preceded them, much of which has trouble fining its way out of the noise.

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        mossarden 3 years ago

        The concepts of AbrahamHicks are not new there are probably hundreds of books written about what they term the law of attraction. The first one ever read, back in the 70s, was a humble paperback entitled Consciously Creating Circumstances by the Dr. Winslow Plumber, who was a Mason. I find there is validity in this message.I also read the magical works of Carlos Castanedaand found much wisdom in those books. I much later read, that while his followers searched for him in the desert, Castaneda was at the UCLA library stealing material for his next book. So he may have stretched to truth about his books being non-fiction. And of course he died of cancer, amide chaos, like a mere mortal as well. But much what he wrote still resonates with me. I also read Zen Mind, Beginners Mind by the great Shunryu Suzukiwho also died of cancer. (Is this what happens when you meditate?) My point here is: theres no perfect guru.Doesnt mean we cant find meaning, useful lessons, truth in the words of others who are not so perfect. Perhaps there was a great deal of sincerity by the Hicks in their beliefs and in wanting to provide useful life lessonsnot just to make money. But they over-reached, got clumsy; as people do. Doesnt negate every single thing they ever said.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @ecogranny: The failures I've seen are always from less than the best intentions. They're from overreach. There are things we cannot control and a randomness that puts us in places we may or may not ever want to go. When they start pitching certainty, they lose me. You can be better and you can make conditions better, but you can't control forces bigger, stronger and more mysterious than any other. Real grace means a commitment to being our best while admitting our human frailties.Thank you, as always, Grace.

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        Kathryn Grace 3 years ago from San Francisco

        There was a well-known psychic healer in my community many years ago who was beloved by many. I believe his name was Johnny Lister. He fairly glowed with vitality and life, some of which seemed almost to be auric light. Then he came down with leukemia. He tried to use all he had taught others to heal himself, but he died in a relatively short time.I never knew him. Never heard him speak, but his lectures and workshops were highly publicized, so it was impossible not to have noticed him. He seemed a beacon of peace, and his messages of peace- and community-building were what I sorely missed. I sometimes wonder if at least some of these healers and teachers, perhaps not the Hicks, from what you tell us, but others like Mr. Lister, haven't seen a brilliant facet of the truth, but somehow have never found the entire gemstone that would dissolve all the doubt, failure and suffering.As I recall the newspaper interviews at the time, he accepted his illness and dying with the same love and grace he appeared to have lived his entire life.Some might say that in that way, he continued to teach us all.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @JackSchermerhorn: Jack, that sounds about right. Thanks.

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        JackSchermerhorn 3 years ago

        @David Stone1: A-H Fans surely are scared to face the truth and that's why they "want to believe" and ignore the facts. But they should understand that Jerry and Esther being two spiritual marketing scammers doesn't mean that what they call "Abraham Teachings" aren't probably valid (although the way they claim it was presented to them could be proven fake, and very likely it is: to be more clear, I don't believe that an entity called Abraham really exists or at least that they can channel it. And if they do, they hear but they don't listen to them). The good part of what they "teach" has being teached before by many, more credible and authentic people, and a lot of spiritual experiences of normal people seem to match the very best of what Abraham is supposed to be.Most of Abraham teachings are not a bad or false message, but maybe a good and authentic message obtained from somewhere else and used by people with unethical and clearly not good intentions... And thats what is ruining people's lives.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @JackSchermerhorn: I couldn't agree with you more, Jack. The Abraham-Hicks operation should not reflect badly on concepts that many people find useful and even wise. The real danger, I think, is that people will be so mislead by them that they miss out on real teachers who could be helpful.Thanks for stopping by Squidoo. Lots of good work going on here.

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        JackSchermerhorn 3 years ago

        I don't get how A-H defenders can ignore the obvious and lie to themselves in such a way. I mean, the message has been long lost along the way... I do believe that Law Of Attraction could be possible or real, I myself had some (a lot) of little but very specific experiences, although I never took it more seriously than saying: "Great, possitive thinking works!".At first I thought the message was great, and really authentic, but now it seems that they didn't believe it to be true in the first place.However I personally believe that channeling is real, I've read about "Near Death Experiences", and I think that the authentic nature of reality may not be that different of what the Hickses "created" (you know: We are all one, we are Source/God), but a real Non-physical entity would present this reality to us in a more loving and caring way.Thank you David for such a complete article, I had never been on Squidoo before and I find it quite interesting!

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thanks for the suggestions, Jack. At this time, I'm more inclined to learn to hear my own inner wisdom and to follow hardcore research, but I think some of the people you mention may very well help others. Any of them, I am sure, are likely to be more helpful than Esther Hicks.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I would recommend Mooji's videos on You Tube.He is a non-duality guru in the tradition of Sri Ramanah Maharshi. I particularly like that he doesnt promote anything,or seek money and has a great sense of humor.I have watched Tolle,Adyashanti and other non-duality teachers and enjoyed them but found Mooji resonates best for me.Maybe this stuff is dangerous when it promotes desire and the promulgation of ego,something these guys avoid

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Holli, you seem to have a problem with facts."How does anyone know he did not try Abraham's suggestions on healing?" That's easy. They told everyone what they did, and it didn't include anything but a straight as a bunny run to conventional chemotherapy. It's on the record. You may not approve of chemo and I'm not crazy about it either, but Jerry went for it with haste. Maybe he should have talked to you first, so you could tell him what critics have been saying for years, without any plausible alternative."Esther Hicks has every right to ask for sympathy and should get it because she, after all lost her life partner whom she loved and admired greatly." Well, she sure thought it was stupid when others did so, insisting deaths were all suicides, just days after the World Trade Center disaster. (You can look it up. She defended her position forcefully and condescendingly In Buffalo in September, 2001.) Before Jerry got sick, she said how "good it is to see the old ones go." She called it "croaking" and bragged about "being so disrespectful." But you think she deserves the sympathy she mocked others for wanting? Who's the hypocrite?"I see nothing dangerous or crazy about her/Abraham's teachings. I never recall Abraham ever advising against medical treatment." All you're saying here is that you chose not to see it. She's been careful because practicing without a license carries a lot of liability, but read the transcripts carefully. If not outright condemning conventional medicine, she many times insisted there were simpler ways, like just changing your "vibration," which would cure anything within a couple of days. Given that, who would go to a doctor? Hey, just change your vibration, whatever that is. It's easy.Sorry, I don't get giddy about anything. And to be completely honest with you, I don't care what your opinion of me is. All that's just a way of shooting the messenger when you don't like the message.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I believe we all have a time to die and clearly it was Jerry Hick's time to pass on and it does not matter what we do it 'will' happen. How does anyone know he did not try Abraham's suggestions on healing? I'm sure Jerry and Esther kept quiet about his disease hoping he could overcome it. Maybe they actually thought he had a spider bite in the beginning? The Abraham teachings are nothing but loving and helpful to anyone who wishes to apply them but of course there are no guarantees...it all depends on where we are on our spiritual journey. I would imagine that Esther is still beside herself with grief. There are many who've lost loved ones who claim to communicate with them and who am I to doubt them?RE: Dave Stone...Esther's crazy and dangerous teachings? I see nothing dangerous or crazy about her/Abraham's teachings. I never recall Abraham ever advising against medical treatment. What I find crazy and dangerous is traditional oncology...heck, most medical doctors in fact who will lie to patients about their cure rates or even if they can be cured and basically kill their patients with their 'cure' anyway. Remember there are no guarantees in this life. One gets the feeling you are just giddy about trashing Abraham, Jerry and Esther. How do you know they did not believe in the Abraham's teachings? Esther has admitted she does not always do what they recommend until something terrible happens....just like many of us. Guess what, Dave Jerry Hicks 'was' just a normal human being and I never heard him say otherwise. You say..."Followers try all the time to rationalize an explanation, but it never holds any water. If Esther could, she would, but tellingly, she decided only to make appeals for sympathy and never explain what went wrong.I find skeptics try all the time to turn people away from things 'they' do not agree with and see things that are not there, which of course will not pass the smell test in the final analysis. Esther Hicks has every right to ask for sympathy and should get it because she, after all lost her life partner whom she loved and admired greatly. She being human does not need to give me an explanation as to what happened it's pretty obvious. I find you, Dave to be very callous, offensive and unsympathetic.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thank you, Teja.We have no doubt that Jerry was a normal human being, and his dying like anyone else is not a problem. What IS a question, though, is why they never tried any of Abraham's (assuming there really is an Abraham) simple cures, instead of instantly doing what you and I would do - go to a regular doctor and forget about Esther's crazy and dangerous teachings. Esther has never even tried to answer that question for obvious reasons. Neither of them really believed in a lot of the nonsense they sold to gullible followers.Jerry slept with Abraham every night and had one-hundred per cent access while he was sick. He died like a normal human being anyway with no special cure even tried.Followers try all the time to rationalize an explanation, but it never holds any water. If Esther could, she would, but tellingly, she decided only to make appeals for sympathy and never explain what went wrong.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I'm thinking differently about Jerry's illness and death. It seems to me that we forgot that Jerry (and Esther) are NOT Abraham : as a 'normal' human being, they can have failure, can experience fear, doubt, etc .. and also to be OUT of Vortex, and experience their limitation, and not be able to apply Abraham's hints. They aren't enlightened persons isn't ?... So, it's normal for me, that at some times, they could not do what Abrahama teach - (just remind that they don't Teach anything ! it's Abraham's teaching, not theirs) - Even the Buddha was died with illness, because he was a human & physical being - But, He also described the Deva's life and death, very likely to the description of Abraham, in other terms, He said that a Deva die happily and soothly, just like to wake up somewhere else, a Deva never has aging issue, never sick, perfect in balance, I guess just as what Abraham experience theirselves, and try to teach us the "how to", through Esther - but, one more time, don't forget, it's the Abraham's perspective (or deva's perspective) : they just point out a "very high standard " compare to a simple human capacity, then it's normal that some human can do it properly, and some, not. Then, there is no surprise about Jerry's choice of cure about his cancer. In a positive way, Leukemia is a form of cancer that lead to the less suffering, comparing to other cancer. So, he was lucky at some point. I definitivly don't think Abraham is a fake,and his teaching is ok - It can't prevent Jerry & Esther to have "failure", as every human being. I also think that all the lost of her husband has disturbing Esther's balance and she were Out of Vortex and act like any normal person would do, when struggling out of Vortex.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: It's in the next comment section directly below.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        @David Stone1: Oh Dave thanks for pointing it out. I still don't see my first comment, LOL ( new to this ), it was published according to you. So my comment was decent and valid, thanks.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Isse, your first comment, starting with "Wow people are really out there to get them!" was in fact published but you looked in the wrong place.Generally, unless you violate the terms of service (some Abers swear a lot, which is not acceptable here) in some way, I approve everything. The other two exceptions are when comments are so far off topic, they aren't worth giving the space, and when writers try to get ping pong arguments going. Those are boring. Say your piece the best way you can, and if you haven't anything new to add, you probably won't be approved.Are we clear now?

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        This is my second comment, too bad the first comment was not published. Wow good move Dave, I mean in selling yourself here, I think it worked.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Too deep for me, Royl. Nice to see geniuses are still in there standing tall for Esther Hicks.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        Dave, you might be better off trying to grow some hair on your head, much love to you, from us

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @darciefrench lm: If you're laughing (at anything), you're not an Aber. Thanks.

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        darciefrench lm 4 years ago

        No thoughts, just .. ROFL and blessings - humor is good for the soul

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @Stacey6269: Thank you, Stacey. Your experience with your friend is sad but not unusual. The A-H crowd wants to evade life's troubles, not by solving them, but pretending they don't exist unless you want them to. And, yes, it is usually well-meaning, if misguided.

        Best wishes for you and your family. I hope you and your husband are soon back in good health and enjoying life's riches.

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        Stacey6269 4 years ago

        Thank you so much for this informative article and commentary about the Abraham-Hicks phenomena. I have had an incredibly hard time in my family for the past 3 years..I was diagnosed w stage 1 breast cancer and consider myself very lucky as I have a clean bill of health at this point. About a year later my husband of 22 years was diagnosed w brain cancer..a much more serious prognosis but thankfully he is doing well at this time. I was sent The Law of Attraction by someone I considered to be one of my best friends for over 30 years. She began to espouse these teachings to me in the very few conversations we have had over the past year (I definitely felt a sense of her backing away from me and my family at a time I needed her most). About a week ago I received this book in the mail from her..well meaning Im sure but it all makes sense now..

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Esther and Jerry when he was alive stopped giving interviews, unless they were staged as they were with Oprah, especially to skeptics. They did one a few years ago with a British newspaper and embarrassed themselves. They haven't done one since, to my knowledge. Among other things, in that interview, Jerry talked about having five wives, joking that that was as many as he could remember, and made several career claims that proved unverifiable by the reporter. In this interview also, Esther and Jerry tried to explain why they thought Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves (bad vibes) and why children, even infants, are responsible for being abused (they adopt the vibes of their parents.) You can see why they stopped doing interviews.Finally, I do have friends who were once very close to Esther and Jerry and have stories to tell, sometimes on condition of anonymity. One claims that the Hicks' tried to destroy his career and ran him nearly into bankruptcy. He is afraid to get on their bad side or to be further associated with them.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        I am puzzled as to why in one of your blogs you admit to having never met the Hicks' and through several of your blogs you state that you use sources that are disenchanted with the Abraham-Hicks' teachings, but never once have done an actual interview with the Hicks' or their family. I feel sure you are trying to be objective, but your blogs aren't coming across that way. A number of your blogs come across as if you have inside knowledge of the family, but you aren't able to substantiate that. The other thing I notice is your backhanded way of putting down people who aren't necessarily disagreeing with you or may be providing information that they wish to share. I just have to wonder why you don't just pick up the phone or email the family ask for an interview. It might actually be very enlightening. Yes, I have purchased one of their books. I have also purchased the book "Care and Feeding of the Dragons" by A. Koan and I purchased your book "A Million Different Things: Meditations of The World's Happiest Man." Another recent purchase "Rich is a Religion: breaking the timeless code to wealth" by M. Stevens. They all should be interesting. I expect in varying ways. What caught my attention regarding your book is that it appears to be about your discovery to the path of happiness. It will be interesting to compare what you wrote to how you appear to actually be handling that discovery of an easy path to joy. Have joyful day Mr. Stone.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: ola, I'd be curious to know where you get your information. Who says "lots of people" would have no problem spending their money if it's a scam? You, I guess. "They don't complain?" Are you kidding? We see complaints all the time, but you won't see them because none are allowed on the Abe Forum. If there weren't complaints, there would be no point in paying David Gordon to keep it under control. I don't "worry about what they are spending on." I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't pay doctors to keep me healthy. That's my responsibility."Everything has its pluses and minuses" is a feeble whitewash. Sounds good only as long as you don't think about it, which I'm sure you don't.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Maybe Abraham is a scam but its helping lots of people who have no problem spending their money, they dont complain - so why do you worry about what they are spending on.We pay doctors to keep us healthy - dont we?Everything has its minuses and pluses and its up to you how you perceive it.Good luck.

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        Tolovaj Publishing House 5 years ago from Ljubljana

        It is good to provide all these information. Keep it up!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @TTMall: You are welcome.

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        TTMall 5 years ago

        Thank you for such an informative lens.

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        @MariahS: Thanks Mariah, Have a most wonderful week!

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: A pleasure Dave, I've left so many spiritual gurus, success teachers, organized/disorganized religions, seminars, and book collections that when I look back upon them all, I ask why did I leave? In all cases, in one hundred percent it was always the same. I did not feel or sense or see unconditional love.I raised 12 children. They taught me never try to change their behaviour. Never let their behaviour change my loving consciousness. Just be patient, in time unconditional love will do it!LoveGoCools

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        @GoCools: Great quote and post, GoCools! I agree, it is fun to finally see through the cons!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: GoCools, thanks for a refreshingly different angle, and interesting that Seneca saw it too, way back when.The trouble is, of course, that the wealthy and powerful do find antics like these useful because it keeps followers subdued, without their having to lift a finger.

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        Dave, In all my years studying 'self-improvement' I've realized that it is fundamentally a business. As soon as a teacher charges to learn something 'freely received' ...RUN!" FREELY YE HAVE RECEIVED, FREELY GIVE". (Matthw 10:8). The Success Cult is full of folks who have only made money from selling information on how to make money. Blind leading the blind. When someone gets in the Esther hotseat and has been 'following' Abraham for 10 years and is still struggling, you gotta wonder.Now these folk I am sure are really nice people, just living in the illusion. Sometimes being awoken is unpleasant. I wanna keep sleeping, let me be! But ignorance don't hold in these days. Expose all the false teachers, no matter how sugary the words.If there is a Secret to health, wealth and happiness and some non-physical beings have itand they tell it to someone, then give it free so we can all go get some.The fun part is finally 'seeing' through all these cons, and then recognising the next one when it appears. Perhaps Seneca knew a thing or two!"Religion is seen by the poor as trueBy the inteligent as falseBut by the wealthy as usefull"Seneca.Certainly Jerry and Esther saw the usefullness of Abraham to make money using their Amway Book and Tape tricks.Thanks for your light on the subject.GoCools

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Why care so much about other people indeed? I can hardly believe I just read that sentence from an (assumedly) adult. (I'm not making fun of you, Daisy, I just feel that caring for others is part of our natural maturation process as humans.) If the teachings 100% across the board gave people hope, then it is not likely that anyone would question them or Esther Hicks. That is not the case, however. People go bankrupt, ignore significant health issues, lose important relationships, even commit suicide when following these teachings. Some people even LOSE hope!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Deep Daisy, did you really write, "why do you care so much about other people?" You may not get it, but the reason is simple. Caring about other people is one of the things people with good mental health do. We're in the world together. Look around, it's a pretty nice world, especially for those of us able to build mutually beneficial relations with others. "If the teachings give people hope does it matter if it is Esther or Abraham?" Yes, it does. A con is a con, and someone with good intentions has not reason to fake anything. Why would they? The only reason you fake it, with nonphysical teachers or anything else, is because you want to win with deceit and or ignorance to your own advantage. Esther's followers are a sorry, narcissistic lot who the rest of us would love to have working with us for a better world, instead of forever staring in the mirror and hoping. Try it."Would you rather everyone follow you?" Sure, but I'm not going anywhere, and maybe we could all sit down with a beer or some wine, good music get get to know what we're really about, instead of this shallow shred Esther has convinced you followers you are. Leading edge of thought? Are you kidding me? Leading edge of self-absorbed delusion. As far as bashing the A-H juggernaut, I realize Jerry and Esther have always hated open dialogue. They've never been able to tolerate even discussion. They ban it on their forum. I personally publish a lot online and in hard copy. Some positive, some negative, but always objectively honest. The trouble for you people in the Abraham-Hicks cult (or any other cult) is that to survive you must resist and/or obstruct any criticism. Jerry was absolutely manic about it. With him gone, oddly, it's gotten worse. Esther being... well, not so bright, she has got her team trying to tighten the screws any way she can and far more recklessly and dishonestly than Jerry ever did. More important, we still have free speech here in America. Maybe you guys should relax and, once in a while, build a sensible argument and not just try to get by with attacking the messenger. If Esther is real and true, you should have no problem whatsoever explaining, factually, why the skeptics have gotten it wrong.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Dave....why do you care so much about other people? If the teachings give people hope does it matter if it is Esther or Abraham? Would you rather everyone follow you? If not....why bother writing this? What a great way for you to draw attention to your own blog....bashing someone else. Lame.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Dear b.abraham, whatever made you think this lens was about me? The Hicks teachings...oops, I thought those were supposed to be the "teachings of Abraham." Freudian slip. Try though you might, your subconscious doesn't want to let you lie.And who gives a hoot about being forgotten in history? I've never tried to inspire statues. I think my grandkids will keep some pictures though.As for your earlier comment in the section, which didn't make the cut because it wasn't responsive to the question asked (Here it is: "the hicks make other people happy and feel good,you are obviously not in the vortex,unhappily married (or divorced),frustrated and underpaid.."), I hate to disappoint someone as sweet as you, but the vortex is nonsense invented by Esther and Jerry; I've been happily married for over thirty years; I am frustrated by the failures of government in the country and the divisions bad politics have created; and I've been so well-paid, especially in the last decade that I quit my six figure job well ahead of retirement age to commit full time to writing and online marketing. I so hope you're not disappointed.Now, do all of us a favor and learn to use the shift key on your keyboard and sling a few capital letters in there. We'd appreciate it.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        whatever you do or say,you'll be forgotten history even before you croak,the hicks's teachings will be passed on for generations!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Yes, Liana, it is judgmental. That's what people with working minds do. We make judgments, about our homes, our jobs, our friends, our politics. Why would that be a problem?Jerry and Esther failures? Not at all. I agree, they succeeded at what they wanted to, regardless of how it may have affected others. What the article is about is their tactics in getting what they wanted.As for hateful, those of us who write about Abraham-Hicks are fully aware that, in the reality distortion field generated by Esther and Jerry, anyone who disagrees with or questions their beliefs, honesty and tactics is a hater.So, let's assume I am "really hateful" as you suggest. Does that have anything to do with the facts? One thing I've seen, again and again, the Esther Hicks followers never seem able to articulate a counter argument. The sweetest thing in the world would be a well-made, documented story that shows that she has been right all along and not consistently contradictory, manipulative and even silly. I'd love to read that and be convinced. But, of course, no such argument is possible. Your anger, in fact, is based on your being afraid that what I (and others) have written here exposes the truth about Esther and Jerry Hicks.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Wow, what a judgemental article. Jerry and Esther have experienced exactly what they wanted to too and yet you judge them as failures. If this makes you happy then keep at it. But you sound really hateful to me. Like your heart is full of hate.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Sunlily: While your comment is superficially harmless, the fact is that Jerry and Esther flipped it on its ear and used it to corral a cult-like following by keeping them churning useless practices for cash. Easy enough to say, "Who cares? It's their choice and their money?"But what about the dozens of needy and vulnerable people who were roped in by used car salesman style tactics and kept addicted by being told they just were doing it right? They were failures, always "upstream" or "out of vortex" as they sunk further into dispair. There is one Abraham-Hicks suicide we know of, covered up deliberately on their forum, and probably more as we dig deeper.

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        Sunlily 5 years ago

        I don't mind these guys and am saddened to hear of Jerrys death. I don't mind them because I have been fully aware of how these things operate and think they did/do a pretty good job. Hope and joy in life can ever being a bad thing can it??

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I was going to respond in detail to this incoherent ramble, but I couldn't figure out what this sloppy thought process was trying to say, other than, of course, the usual Abraham-Hicks argument that we ought to just leave Esther alone to do whatever she wants to do. Why don't we just do away with governments altogether and stop pestering con artists and even common crooks? Your vacant empathy and compassion vault, which finally bled out at the end, is the perfect platform for Esther to spread her views. But hey, when it's someone else getting hurt, why ask questions? It's their own fault!

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It just never ceases to amaze me of the number of people who do not want to take responsibility for their life. "Free Will", we are constantly choosing. The only thing you can trust is that which is inside of yourself. There is nothing new under the sun, and if you think you created anything you are mistakened. Uncovered, perhaps, but discovered, never. It's like Franklin taking credit for discovering electricity...Really... It was here long before he uncovered it. No one has all the answers. Anytime you are putting all of your trust into anything you are subject to fail or be disappointed. Learn to start working through your own garbage to uncover your own guidant system and rely on that. We all make mistakes, I didn't see one gun being put to anyone's head and telling you to listen, read, or attend an Abraham-Hicks related anything. Copyright???Scam???Nothing belongs to any of us. It is on loan from the Creator himself. If what you are doing is helping people, and there are millions that have been helped, that's good. If it didn't work for you, than choose to do something else. You are responsible for your life, no one else is. As hard of a pill as that may be to swallow, I am sure there is not one person, including Mother Teresa, the Dali Lama that you won't find 1 out of 6 billion people that disagrees or does not like something about them. 6 Billion! So, rather than wasting your time sharing your negative energy under the guise of wanting to expose someone, just stop. The truth is everything does start with a thought. Whether you or the collective conscious of those around you that affect your life, it still comes back to you. Poverty, sickness, disease, the collective consciousness of negativity continues to out weigh the good, and you are adding to it. Let everybody have their own experience, even Jerry and Esther. Death is certain. Whether you are in the flow or against the current, whether you go peacefully, or the transition is tragic, the cross over is delicious. No more pain, no more suffering. So, for those who have grown and transformed and truly live down stream way more often than they live upstream we are grateful for the teachings or the conscious awareness. For those who feel like it has done more harm than good, perhaps your guidant system was warning you that you were giving up too much control (obsessing) over another human and not truly giving the Creator the credit because we all are vessels, channels. Some larger than others, but if you are not tapping into your own power, which we all have, and using it to serve others, than you should be questioning everything. Does this help me or hurt me? We all have egos, and we all do battle everyday. But if you are not truly receiving for the sake of sharing than again, what is the point. Nothing you have can you take with you, and there is nothing wrong with having a consistent flow of abundance, but do you really think regardless of how they came to be, we all have a story, and thank God it does not keep us from transforming and becoming better, do you really think after all these years they need your $75. Here's the thing, you can't stop it. No matter how many blogs, emails, videos, negative bashing, woe is me about your tragic life is going to stop it. People want to feel better and when they don't its somebody else's fault. Please, please, do us all a favor, my tiny violin can't play anymore for you. Whether they were forthcoming about the illness, or trying to hide it, they couldn't stop death either. And since it was not our experience, as someone who works in hospice, regardless of the why, when its time to go, people just want to transition in peace. Good, bad, or indifferent, who said it first or who said it best, whatever Jerry's fate is, Abraham, or those who have come before and after them, it is never up to us to decide. Create an alternative, but I guess before you can do that, your going to have to figure out how help your own miserable selves before you can help anyone else. Peace

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        Throwing the baby out with the bath water sounds like a good idea in this case.

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        Kyra1985 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Precious Life, Abraham has said many times that people's interpretation of nonphysical is filtered through their beliefs and religious training. If this is true, there is no question that Esther's "interpretation" is being filtered through the rhetoric of New Thought and Seth ideology (both of which we know Esther was exposed to pre-Abraham). That said, in theory, there is nothing "pure" about the channeled material that comes through Esther because it has been infected by the previous ideologies she was exposed to. If she had been reading about Satan and Hell, it's likely she would be discussing the world from that vantage point rather than from that of New Thought and the Seth materials.On that same note, regarding the baby and the bathwater, Esther and Abraham are intricately linked in the philosophy. You don't get to separate the message from Esther because, in theory, the message is through Esther (and being tainted by her). So it is flawed to say that Esther is only human, but Abraham's message is pure. Based on the theory of how the communication is occurring, all those human parts of Esther are keeping the message from being "pure" and gives us more reason to be skeptical of it.That all said, this is only a theoretical rambling since there is no reason for us to believe that anything that Esther is doing is beyond her fabrication.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Precious Life, you can imagine how hard it is to take seriously or respond to someone who claims so much insight, but doesn't know that Jerry Hicks spelled his name with a "J" not a "G."Because your arguments have so much in common with those Marc and Karen at AHP send over as sock puppets to try to mislead and confuse discussions, I have to conclude that you're another, just not a well-versed in the ways of Esther Hicks.For the record, Esther says she does not channel, and no one ever said they were not "as human as you or I." (Sloppy grammar, by the way. It should be "you and me.") Abraham is not however, and it is their teachings we are discussing, not anything Esther or Jerry claim as their own. Abraham claims that aging and "deterioration" are unnecessary and there is no need die of any illness.As you can see from the photos, both Jerry and Esther deteriorated. Esther also got fat. Jerry died of leukemia, without ever trying the Abraham methods of wellness Abraham has preached through Esther for decades. That's why they are silent. Esther can't explain what happened in any rational way. The truth is that neither of them believed what they taught, but instead were heavy into money, as Esther clearly stated in Colorado at a workshop in June, 2004. You are welcome to look it up, but she was unequivocal in her statement that "Every bit of it is about economics," even religion.Your closing "RIP Gerry, All is forgiven," forgetting the misspelling and poor punctuation, is inexplicable. Who asked you to forgive him? For what?

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Need to use discernment with anyone you choose to listen to for spiritual advice or guidance. Gerry and Esther are as human as you or I. They are applying the channeled teachings to their own lives as they so often have shown in some of the "channeled" anectodes. The chanelled material comes from pure non physical and so very few humans are able to keep their alignment 24/7. That message also comes through the channelings - you never get it done etc.. Take the good that enhances your own experience and trust that no one ever has all the answers. The best guidance any of of us can cultivate through devotion to own meditation. RIP Gerry, All is forgiven.

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        sarahrk lm 5 years ago

        I have never heard of Abraham Hicks, but this is an interesting and controversial story.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @grannysage: The idea that we "create our own reality" is one of the silliest, most jejune concepts Esther Hicks preaches. To do so, we would not only have to create each other, but also gravity, Zanzibar, Mitt Romney and history of Australian philosophy. And we'd have to create the concurrent illusion that all these others we created are under our control. That's narcissism gone amuck. Unfortunately, it's also seductive for people who have trouble handling reality as it really is, not as our fantasies hope it to be.

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        grannysage 5 years ago

        It is what it is. Why spend so much time and energy debating it? I still find Abraham uplifting. If we create our own reality, then we choose how much of the message we take into our own consciousness. If we don't create our own reality, then we a gullible in many areas, not just in this one.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thank you, Kathy. They won't release anything, such as an obit, in which they can't control the information. What everyone needs to understand now is that the reason Jerry Hicks, at least publicly, chose traditional medicine was because he and Esther would not risk the franchise by telling the world he was following Abraham's teachings. He died anyway; so, why didn't they take the easy way and change his vibration to one of perfect health, rather than go through the rigors so many go through in treating harsh illnesses?

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        I think it's a great blog, Dave ... this whole Jerry Hicks illness (Wayne Dyer's, too) and now his death has thrust me into a place of doubt and confusion ... it is good to get another side of the story. I'll keep watching your blog, in case you can find an obit or other fact that isn't being released by the Abraham-Hicks folks.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Tomi, I'm going to assume that your passion led you to misspell "crusify" when you meant crucify. Turn your spell-checker on. You seem to be equating criticism of Esther and Jerry with what the Romans did in putting Jesus on a cross. It your mind trends that way, you might want to try objectivity. Maybe you can explain in more detail how these very wealthy and, they claim, happy people have suffered from skeptical comment. Thanks for you thought, but I'm not frustrated, as you hopefully suggest. I have not authority to "let others" do any one thing or another. They can read my opinions or not, and if they read them, they can decide whether they agree or not. It's all about choice and openness, like it or not.A "disease for humanity?" The root is dis-ease, making discomfort. That is what writers do sometimes, creating some discomfort in encouraging people to think and evaluate, not just buy the company line. It's not supposed to be sunny.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: A prediction: Esther will try to rally the followers into workshops and become more reliant on webcasts for money, including paid videos from archives. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, as Jerry might have been, and she'll have to rely on previously recorded material to succeed. Her recent history with Jerry ailing and not participating is full of bizarre comments (She told one mother not to disturb her son's habit of kicking their cat as the cat was teaching him (to be the next Ted Bundy.)) and nasty behavior.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Marcia, thank you. I did get that message from Esther, but I was flying along at 70 MPH without a computer at the time. No time to update this information then. By the way, don't take that date as certain. No one has been able to locate an obit, yet, which is odd, and Esther has a long history of "adjusting" the facts to fit a purpose. I don't doubt that Jerry's long, eventful life is over. The man was an amazingly effective achiever.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        In case you haven't heard, Jerry passed away last Friday, 11/18/11.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It will be interesting to see what happens in the near future, with Jerry passing and the previously cancelled workshop being reinstated.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Dave,If someone comes with some positive news, like Jerry and Esther did, people like you are trying to crusify them. If you are frustrated with your life, let others be happy and follow their heart. People like you are disease for humanity.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @MaryK LM: It's an interesting situation, and it's being played out right now. A-H has canceled everything, except product sales. Esther is off the road indefinitely. Without Jerry, she can't or doesn't want to do her thing on stage. This suggests, even more, strongly, that Abraham was never anything more than his worldview echoed through and filtered by his charismatic wife. But I could never prove it, and in reality, I don't think we will ever know the whole truth of it for sure.Thanks for your comment.

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        MaryK LM 5 years ago

        Interesting Lens.You ask three questions above: Is Jerry Hicks Abraham, Esther and Jerry Hicks have been a powerful team, but is there really one-hundred more nonphysical teachers pushing "blocks of thought" into Esther's skull, and IIs Abraham-Hicks Real?Here are my answers: 1. No, Jerry is not "Abraham" - 2. "blocks of thought" being pushed into skulls makes no sense to me. (for one thing, 'thought' is of the mind... and the mind does not have an exclusive relationship to the 'skull'. 3. "Abraham-Hicks" is the name of a business organization which, to the best of my knowledge is 'real' (as in physically documented and tax-paying). P.S. Congrats on the Top 1000! :)

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: This comment is so incoherent, it's hard to respond to, but if by "them" you mean Esther and Jerry (?), anyone who buys their claim to have been in daily one to one contact with Abraham, who is in direct contact with Source (=God) and has access to all the wisdom of all time, would have to expect them to be "better." That's why they have shelled out serious coin for decades to listen to Esther speak live.Not sure if I answered what you were trying to say, but your comment was nearly impossible to sort out. Added twenty minutes after the first one, I believe you were trying to make one more point that you missed in your first assignment.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Maureen, let's take this step by step.First, either you don't know what "closed minded" means or you're hoping to dismiss what's been written with a wild swing that discredits it in one shot. Although you claim to be "no 'Aber,'" you seem to know their techniques enough to determine which are helpful. Then, you blithely blame the victims of Esther and Jerry Hicks gimmicks because you claim they are "blind followers." Listen, without blind followers who fell in with Jerry and Esther at a time of need, there would be no Abraham Hicks today. They prey on the spiritually needy and promise easy solutions. They may be at fault, but who fed them the poison?On the other hand, your bizarre comparison of Abraham's "attitude" to the well-known serenity prayer suggests that you don't know much about Esther and Jerry at all. The serenity prayer is about the gentle acceptance of circumstances that we can't control. A-H preaches that we can change anything we want by changing vibrations. Those are two different things. The rest of the teachings are full of contradictions and factual misrepresentations driven by a "give the people what they want" commitment. After "briefly skimming your long blog," you might be shaking your head because you don't know what a blog is. (Hint: this isn't one.) As for your spanking me for putting "so much effort into complaining on and on about a tiny possible problem instead of thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems," I guess it's my turn to shake my head. You shouldn't be surprised that writers write. (That's why we're called "writers." Get it?) We get paid to write what others will read and discuss. This lens, for the record, attracts more attention than any of the 200+ others I have out there. Most of them do not consider what's Jerry and Esther Hicks are doing "a tiny possible problem." Finally, how on Earth did you come to the remarkable conclusion that I should be "thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems?" Who assigned me that mission? You? I'll repeat that roughly 5% of my writing covers A-H territory. I write much more about books and art, by far. I also have a long lens about the Tao of the Optimism Junkie. It's my own credo, and you know nobody has yet complained that I wrote about it. That sort of stuff only comes from those of you who visit on a mission to excuse Esther and Jerry Hicks from whatever angle you can invent.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: I wanted to add that I too noticed that Esther and Jerry don't appear to be the perfect embodiments of the ideas spouted by the intuition they channel (that we all have access to). But, that's pretty common. Whether you're reading from a book, listening to a guru's lecture (who say the SAME things as A.Hicks says - but how many people read instead of watch TV so they could know that?) or tapping into your "higher mind," "intuition," or whatever you want to call it, it takes a lot of practice and dedication to be perfect with that you learned and be at a Buddha level. I'm not sure why anyone expects them to be any better at that than the other A. Hicks readers.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It looks like everything you've said is from a closed minded state. I'm no "Aber" but am somewhat familiar with their work. I don't know if they're for real or not and don't really care. Some of the techniques are helpful. Blind followers without common sense are always going to have a difficult life and then blame the people they followed.Abraham's attitude you call mean spirited is basically the same as the serenity prayer: to change what you can and accept what you can't. Most people don't get upset about that when other people say it. Briefly skimming your long blog, I shake my head to see that you put so much effort into complaining on and on about a tiny possible problem instead of thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Ahnalira: Get Esther a chauffer. She's at the wheel here without a compass or the great manager who has been disabled with cancer. Have somebody help, Esther! I asked Abraham, and they said you'd be okay with it.

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        Ahnalira 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: I did get the sense there was some "scrambling" to explain away the obfiscation of facts in the May email. "Playing it down" is -- in some ways -- the nicer way of saying "purposely misled and got caught at it." At the time, I wondered if they really thought I was lacking the intelligence to know that chemotherapy doesn't treat spider bites; it treats cancer. I won't say I begin to understand the logic of the email in terms of selling products. I will say I was baffled by the first half of the email, and I found the second half to almost as confusing. From: we are looking at new initiatives for sharing the teachings (Does that mean no more workshops?) to buy our repackaging of old workshops as DVDs to "We look forward to seeing you in person soon," I got nothing that gave me a sense of where things are headed...except perhaps to more repackaged workshops DVDs.If lack of clarity is synonymous with "the death of Abraham-Hicks", I am preparing to mourn. What I do have faith in is that there are always teachers, and the teaching never ends.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Ahnalira: They have an apparently unresolvable issue in that Jerry's illness and subsequent opting for conventional medicine as a first choice appears 1) to contradict the basic teachings that have made them famous and 2) to be an issue they scrambled to avoid after introducing it deceptively themselves in the first place.The reason for opening up the door a little ways now, but that was something that had to happen to counter the barrage of criticism they have received before making a fresh marketing pitch. They gave followers just enough to keep the hard core breathing.I've gone from grudging admiration over their effectiveness to disgust over lack of concern for others and even, as they prop him up for a sales gimmick, the lack of respect for Jerry.

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        Ahnalira 5 years ago

        The most recent email blast was both clarifying and confusing for me. On the one hand, it's good to hear an update and know, from what Esther says, that Jerry is still with us in physical form. However, from there the waters just got muddy for me, trying to interpret what was was written. It seemed like a dissembling ramble of incongruent, vague statements. I came away thinking they must be making peace with his transition from the physical world -- All is well independent of circumstance and events. But at the end, she says they are looking forward to seeing us in person soon. What does that mean?I could be mistaken about how the law of attraction works, but it seems to me that -- no matter how many times Jerry and Esther ask everyone to think only a certain way about them -- the truth is that there is no way to control the interest people have in wanting information to help them understand and process the experience. And I wonder if it wouldn't be to everyone's best interest if the means for sharing the information was clear and clean and easy to interpret. I know I would appreciate it.I understand their desire for privacy. I think part of the confusion is that they've used their life experience as part of the teaching for so long that it wobbles the teaching, itself, when they withdraw that dynamic. Paradoxically, I believe they would have more privacy if they were more forthcoming.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie, I wouldn't worry too much what others say or do. If someone's words lead you in a positive direction then that is worth your time and you are fortunate to have found a learning experience. How people interpret things is often more a reflection of them than the speaker speaking or writing the words.Years ago while clinically depressed I came across some writing similar to the abraham writings and it heped me move forward in life and recapture the joy I had been able to feel before the depression. I couldn't tell anyone how I came out of the depression because I would have been judged severely by having followed such unconventional thinking. What else is new? :) Life is an interesting journey and I feel it is better to move forward and not get too caught up in whether or not people validate my pov.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie, I wouldn't worry too much what others say or do. If someone's words lead you in a positive direction then that is worth your time and you are fortunate to have found a learning experience. How people interpret things is often more a reflection of them than the speaker speaking or writing the words.Years ago while clinically depressed I came across some writing similar to the abraham writings and it heped me move forward in life and recapture the joy I had been able to feel before the depression. I couldn't tell anyone how I came out of the depression because I would have been judged severely by having followed such unconventional thinking. What else is new? :) Life is an interesting journey and I feel it is better to move forward and not get too caught up in whether or not people validate my pov.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I would appreciate it, Max, if they'd inject a little humor, even slapstick. I don't know how anyone with a three digit IQ or not on drugs sits through one of their workshops.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Just read your updates--I couldn't help being reminded of "Weekend at Bernie's" when I saw the photo of the whole family in the balloon gondola. Maybe they'll take a cue from that and Jerry Hicks won't die after all....

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        anonymous 6 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie: There is nothing wrong with feeling good. What is wrong is when the feeling good gets in the way of real life processes or reality. Dave is correct in stating that Jerry and Esther worked a lot to build their business. That doesn't mean that Jerry and Esther didn't work to apply feeling good to their lives. They want to feel good. Thing is, they are human and like the rest of us have had their rough days, weeks, months and years. For the most part they are pretty upbeat. Jerry is a flesh and blood man. He isn't some type of alien or spirit being. He is a man. No one wants Jerry to have this horrible disease. Jerry is lucky in the fact that many have interest in his improvement. The problem is many aren't looking at what Jerry needs at this time. I can tell you that he doesn't need people showing a lack of respect or empathy for the point of views of others. He wouldn't ask you to do that. So if someone is asking that of you then tell them no out of respect for Jerry and Esther. They both have their hands full working with doctors on doing what is needed towards improving Jerry's heath. If Jerry can accept the diverse opinions within his own family, then I feel he would expect others to accept the diverse opinions presented by others regarding his illness and spiritual beliefs. It hurts to see someone you care about struggling with leukemia. Not everyone has benefited from the more intimate and loving nature that Jerry has towards those that are closest to him. Often people become infatuated with the celebrity and forget they need their time away from their fans. Jerry and others within his family have overcome a lot and brought a lot of wonderful things to this world. They have each done this in their own way, but they all started from the same place. Jerry had the broadest reach. He had motivation to change his life and wanted to see that others didn't have the same struggles he had. The thing is that each person takes what they want from the message and applies it differently or expects a magic wand to produce the results for them. The magic wand isn't real. It is just a prop. You have to work and plan to obtain results. Feeling bad it isn't really a bad thing. Sometimes feeling bad, brings different perspectives and empathy when it may be needed the most. Sometimes feeling bad is the tool (lack of better word) to clue you in when something isn't right in your life or with your health. You don't want to feel bad all the time, but you can't expect to never feel bad. Carrie, take a break and obtain some objectivty. Individually we may not agree with Dave's opinion, but give him credit. Dave does a good job writing about this topic. Take the good things you have learned from Abraham Hicks and rethink how to apply them. Be sensible and practical in your application. I wish I could hug you and give you some comfort. Hopefully, these words will help. .

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @cbessa: Very nice community effort on your part, not just on my behalf, but on others as well. Thanks. I'll be seeing you on level 65 shortly.

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        cbessa 6 years ago

        Hello, Dave.After a long time reading and being inspired by your lenses, finally i feature one of them on my Top 5 lenses from my Squidoo Neighbours lens.I would love to read your feedback on it!Thanks. See you around.

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        Kyra1985 6 years ago

        @anonymous: Hey Carrie. Contrary to what Abraham would have you believe, there is more to their philosophy than just feeling good. They encourage less-than-positive things like narcissism, victim-blaming, and indifference. I am an advocate for feeling good. I am not an advocate of these other, more detrimental parts of the teachings.

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I know more about Esther and Jerry than you think and plenty I've never written about. But, like you, they are neither happy nor confident, and they don't live as they preach. In fact, one think I like about them is that they both have worked very hard, seven days a week to earn their fortune, even as this goes completely against the grain of what they preach.Yes, in answer to your question, digging to uncover the truth about anything--public frauds, the mysteries of the universe, how to meditate more effectively--all of that inspires me and writing well about what I find is what I've been doing for decades. You have nothing to fear in the truth, and if I'm wrong about Esther and Jerry, then disagree coherently without partial or full emotional meltdowns. Others who agree with you would appreciate your well-presented honesty. So would I. Personally, I'd love to be shown that I'm wrong about Esther and Jerry Hicks. I'd apologize happily. It's not going to happen though. None the supporters who come here to rant (often the same people using different names) ever make a coherent argument, but make emotional appeals and attacks instead. If they believed in their hearts and minds they were right, all they would really need to do is spell it out. Never happens.

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        anonymous 6 years ago

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_Wnaabg3U&amp... Is there anything wrong with finding things to feel good about? Does feel bad about something EVER do anyone any good? Does thining about Jerry Hicks having cancer and dying and Abraham being a scam really feel good to people here? If so, great. If criticizing people who go in the direction of feeling good (hopeful, happy, positive, etc) and wriing mean stuff about people you don't even know, or know anything about, really makes you happy, then that's the value of it. Feeling happy and good is the goal, no matter what you use to get into it. I just realized I had read this page and left a comment that DIDN'T feel good ot me, so trying to find something that does feel good (not negative) in it. And I did, if writing this stuff makes you happy and feel good, than go for it. Those who don't agree or feel the same can just skip on by. Funny, the security word to copy both times I've posted here has to do with pigs. This time it's pig snoop. Fitting LOL

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        Lisa Auch 6 years ago from Scotland

        Excellent, Excellent, and off to read some more...Blessed

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: "And, amazingly, Deepak doesn't have to channel anyone but his own personal, highly integrated wisdom."I'm with you here Dave. Refreshing to just hear from a real live in the flesh and blood human.Thanks again

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: I've never heard anything that made me cringe (much) from Theo, and unlike the Esther and Jerry carnival, Sheila Gillette has a credible personal story to tell.On the other hand, I've never had a Wow! moment either. You'd think these spirits who are said to have such total access to wisdom would knock your socks off, once in a while, but no, not really. The only people who seem to have something interesting to say are those like Deepak Chopra who has studied and searched and meditated freely and openly. And, amazingly, Deepak doesn't have to channel anyone but his own personal, highly integrated wisdom.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: Just had a look-see! Wow! I can just hear Jerry's amway marketing brain ticking the dollars after that conversation with Theo. A way to sell lots of books and tapes. Gee, this age of enlightenment sure has a lot of muddy water.The Dalai Lama is visiting my home town next week and my kids are all off to meet him. He seems genuine.So what's your feeling on Theo? Is it the blind leading the blind to the banquet of human seekers?

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: It's all here: http://www.asktheo.com/Yes, sir. Theo is also tech savvy. Have a look for yourself.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: Thanks Dave,First I've heard of Theo. Be fun to compare. From what I see not much material available so no marketing going on there. There's hope for Theo!Know any good sources for Theo material?thanks

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: GoCools, you've touched on it exactly. Some the teachings were very cool, the earlier you get generally, the cooler. But as you've seen, there is nothing new here. Wattles was talking about this decades ago, and even the term "law of attraction" was taken for another writer, even though the Hicks' team claimed that it came from Abraham.As for the current act, they are again following Sheila Gillette's lead. Channeling Theo, earlier this year, Gillette began interacting with the audience for the first time by opening her eyes for, she says, Theo to see through her. Gillette has always seemed more genuine, and for those who don't know, Jerry and Esther borrowed her presentation almost intact in the beginning. For her part, on her website, she shows Theo at the top tier of "Archangels" and Abraham lower in the ranks. Gillette is far more open, going to light worker happenings and participating when she and Theo don't have to control everything and interact casually with other participants.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        It is fascinating watching this play out 'live'. Now many of the teachings of Abraham are really cool. It's the dog and pony show that I suspect is not what it appears. I am proud owner of an original Wallace Wattles 1915 Financial Success through Creative Thought upon which the Secret was based. I started looking into Abraham after the decision to edit out Abraham from the movie.Today I was watching the latest 'live' Abraham online (free version) and at 47:55 a hotseater asks abraham "where is jerry?". There was no mention of his illness and a relieved Esther just moved on. But there was an energy there that was easy to pick up. Reminds me of a Dylan song, "Something is happening here and you don't know what it is, do you Mr HotSeat!"I now felt she was hiding a skeleton. In a previous live version at the end of the seminar she made a hasty retreat away from the crowd and I sensed all is not right here.However there are fascinating lessons here to watch unfold in the coming months.Valuable insights here. Thanks

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thanks for these insights, Cegran. I'm not terribly familiar with Seth and appreciate knowing more about it. Interesting perspective and contrast with what's going on now.

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        Kyra1985 6 years ago

        @anonymous: Hey Cegran, I do know several Seth students. I also know the backstory about Jane Roberts' illness. Yes it was explained, and that explanation served as an excuse. I think your statement serves as a wonderful example of what I was talking about. Jane just found an excuse (aka "explanation") that Sethers would believe so that she could continue with her gimmick, and they would buy it. Clearly, it worked.

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        anonymous 6 years ago

        @Kyra1985: I'm not sure you ever met any Seth students. Her slow and painful death was not excused, it was explained. Meticulously documented. Laboriously evaluated. Seth told Jane to stop smoking.. Jane's own response to that was akin to 'fat chance'. Seth gave her dietary guidelines, meditations, exercises, and not only that, explained in deep psychological and spiritual reasons exactly why she became so ill, and why she hung onto it. When she did what Seth requested of her, then her health improved drastically. She would literally go from not being able to walk, to being able to amble about fairly well in hours or a couple of days. But then Rob would say the wrong thing, she would start to feel guilty, etc., and she would be back to square one. Her illness held certain psychological advantages for her and she never denied that. She never hid that from her students either. Jane's story is tragic. Jane was ashamed and humiliated by her illness, but she never discounted the part she was playing in making herself ill. However, it is not something that required that her students had to cover for her or explain away because Seth was very upfront about it. With such glaring clarity that the "Private Sessions" were not released until after her death because of the personal detail in them. I just wanted to make this clarification because many people from the outside looking in assume her students were disillusioned and crushed by Jane's illness, that they couldn't understand how it happened and were flopping about like some Aber's are now. However, for those that were actual students of the material, and not casual readers of some of her books, that wasn't the case at all. They were saddened of course, but they had been watching and they understood very well exactly what had transpired. Perhaps if Jerry could come clean about what is eating him up inside, it would help Abe's students as well.

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        Kyra1985 6 years ago

        Good work, David! You covered a lot of material here. I don't think that in the end this will matter to Abers, though. Seth supporters managed to excuse Jane Robert's slow, painful death and Christian Scientists found ways of diffusing Mary Baker Eddy's morphine addiction. I'm sure that the same thing will happen here. I do have to say, though, I'm relieved because I think this will encourage people who listen to Abraham's teachings to seek traditional medicine when something goes wrong (rather than intending to rely on Abraham processes). At the least, they won't beat up on themselves so much when they get sick. They'll say, if it can happen to Jerry, it can happen to anyone. And that's good to know because one of my biggest worries about the teaching was with people who were trying to use Abraham processes because they didn't want to go the path of traditional medicine.

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          David Stone 6 months ago from New York City

          You may a good point. There is plenty of gold in there if you let it show itself.

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          David Stone 13 months ago from New York City

          One of the flakier rationalizations I've every read. Pure balony.

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          Susette 14 months ago

          Well, in order to understand who Abraham( and all other channelers) is, you must understand who you are and where you are from. Without that knowledge or waking up, channeled information will not make any sense to you as it sounds weird, fraudulent , fake, and they're out- to -get money from people as you've said. It's because you're trying to compare Abraham teaching to human experience. This will also sounds weird to you; LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!!! There are no built in meaning; You give meaning to life. It's nothing but hollowgram reflecting yourself like mirror. If you are poor financially, physically or mentally, you've created. Wars and disasters are all created by human thoughts. There is nothing out there causes your circumstances. The world is nothing but your projection of consciousness and is simply vibrational interpretation, but humans don't comprehend it of course. Watch out your emotion and thoughts as someone mentioned. Your THOUGHTS determine what emotional status you'll be in and your status of emotion determines your vibrational status. Higher the vibration you maintain healthier life you'll create in every aspect ; lower the vibration you maintain, disastrous life you'll create. Nothing or no one is punishing you; it's that you're creating ; it's just simple physics !!!!(what you put out is what you get back.) That is what LOA (Law of attraction is about ). LOA is not something you practice; it's already applied to you according to your vibrational status since you're born. You are vibrating energy; that's is your TRUE SELF. You created yourself before you're born by bringing small energy from your higher self which is high vibrational being. When you die, that's where you'll be. So unlike humans who believe death is an annihilation, that is far from the truth, to says the least. There is NO such thing as death. Your consciousness and your essence will never die. Love one another, live your life joyfully, and live in NOW. There is no past or future; everything is NOW. Thinking about the past will create static energy that doesn't move. Raise your vibration and it's time to know that YOU'RE GOD! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

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          David Stone 15 months ago from New York City

          Watching that happen confirmed my worst suspicions. It really was all about the money.

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          Anonymous 15 months ago

          Hi David, now that I am no longer an "Aber" and slowly starting to have compassion for myself and others again, I do have to say I feel sorry for Esther having lost her life partner just as I would be for anybody else who has experienced the death of a loved one. Back when Jerry died, I was so brainwashed I couldn't feel any of the things I do now. I just wish Esther hadn't turned his declining health and demise into a marketing ploy.

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          David Stone 16 months ago from New York City

          Robert, would you mind identifying yourself and providing concrete examples that can be verified? Thanks. Many people would appreciate it, but such examples for claims of this kind are next to impossible to find. Ergo, no verification. Why would anyone buy in, just on your word?

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          Robert 16 months ago

          Law of attraction is real. We are energy. Energy cannot be destroyed. I have manifested wealth and career success by holding what I desire in my mind's eye. I had an experience at age 28 that revealed we are all connected, there is nothing to fear, and love is our nature. It was an out of body experience that I cannot put into words, but others like Eckhart Tolle, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Esther Hicks and others have done so eloquently.

          Choose not to believe, that's your choice. I didn't until age 28. Now I know it's real. I am not religious, never have been. I'm a skeptic. However, I find the message of Abraham, aka Esther Hicks to be accurate. It's the same message that has been shared since recorded history. I didn't get it the first several times I heard and read it. Now it's all so clear. I have no reason to lie. Like I said, I've become wealthy and successful using the law of attraction. I'm highly educated and have nothing to sell. I just want others to know that all things are possible in an infinite universe. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

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          David Stone 21 months ago from New York City

          Correct. They did not say that, and neither did I.

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          fromage 21 months ago

          This is such a ridiculous article. The implication that Esther, Jerry or Abraham ever suggested that life inside our current bodies is eternal, is complete and utter nonsense, and a total misinterpretation. All living things on earth eventually die, whether from cancer, heart attack, some other disease or an errant bus. Whether or not you believe that, speaks of your own intelligence and no one else's.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Deb, I couldn't agree with you more.

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          Deb 2 years ago

          I've worked out one thing....and I think that is all I am meant to work out....have a direct link to your God/inner self and leave out all the 'middle men and women' telling what to believe and do and, of course....pay. If it works better to believe in what others say, then do it, but for me, I have worked out, each and every one of them are doing what each and every 'founder' of religions have done...promoted their own beliefs. I think many do it for the right reasons...they want to help others, but....that is why you have so many different belief systems...we should have nearly 8 billion...one for each person, not, however many there are. Think about it...have you ever found one to be 110% you? Or do you have 'alter yourself for the better'? To believe and trust in yourself, is for you, without costing a cent...I can work out why no one promotes that....no money, no justification in your own belief...numbers of followers means you are doing something right...and I think you are, but...not complete right. Trouble is, we are never taught to really believe in ourselves...funnily enough, there are little signs around in many various texts...like God is within you. Think of some yourselves.

          Whatever you choose to do....enjoy your life:)

          Could you imagine a world where we all believed in ourself

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          We will never know the whole story. It leaked out at the end that he was in Korea seeking a bone marrow transplant, but it was suppressed. To this day, no one has publicly found a death certificate. Esther and company were so shaken by the way the story was botched, three years after Esther announced his death, their website still claims he's alive an kicking.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          You are welcome. Yeah, that one bothered me more than anything else, I think, and it was galling that no one in the audience objected, at least not publicly.

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          Awake 2 years ago

          Excellent article, spot on. Advocating animal abuse alone should be proof enough. Thank you, David.

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          Awake 2 years ago

          The 'all knowing beings' opted that Jerry undergo poisonous chemo while cannabis and diet cures? Hmm.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          First, anna, your arguments are tired and worn out. They've been tried a zillion times, and the fact of the matter is, people either look at all the evidence and reach an independent conclusion or they take it selectively, attack the messenger and use peculiar logic to wind up back where they wanted to be. Sorry to disappoint, but I am neither bitter, old, atheistic nor sour. Personal attacks are generally a tactic for discount information you can't handle otherwise.

          You write that anyone who thinks Abraham's follower should be able to miraculously heal themselves "is lacking any awareness the role of the human within spiritual practice." But that come straight from Esther/Abraham live. They say they can change the diagnosis of the "sickest of the sick" by spending only an afternoon with them. Were they wrong? Jerry spent many afternoons, not to mention mornings, evenings and nights with them, and it didn't help him at all. Abers always palm this off, but you can't change what's on the record, even if it's inconsistent with the beliefs you cling too.

          Jerry's and Esther's refusal (you say "reluctance," but it was more than that) "to use the 'C' word was, in fact, deceptive. They were so desperate to misdirect followers they tried to sell his illness as the result of fire ant bite. They sold that falsehood hard until it became clear that Jerry's chemotherapy failed, at which point they stopped mentioning that too - for nearly six months until he died.They were well aware that they could never explain it successfully, so they ignored it, bringing up his illness only when they used it to sell tickets.

          You claim there is "corroboration of Abraham's advice," but if so, why when challenged are the cult's followers never able to provide a single instance? Listen, I've asked many times. Never have I gotten anything more than a general answer. No evidence. Not even once.

          Let me sum it up like this. I'd be the happiest man alive if it was proven that the Teachings of Abraham were right on. They are easy to follow, not difficult as you claim here, as Esther has always said. "It's supposed to be easy" has been a decades long catch phrase. So, why don't more people follow her path to joy? I sure would, if life was like that. It isn't. Life takes experience, learning and insight, not adherence to unsubstantiated claims about messages from God, delivered through some select source who can't even follow the guidance. Get with it, anna. Life's interesting and challenging. Join us. We need more adults.

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          anna 2 years ago

          I read this piece all the way through with interest and have drawn some new conclusions from it. So thank you for providing your opinion. However, I read your words as coming from a very literal, or at least, an atheistic, interpretation of the teachings, delivered with the voice of a bitter, old man. The expectation that anyone involved in the Abraham Hicks movement should be able to miraculously heal themselves from disease, without question, is lacking any awareness the role of the human within spiritual practice. Abraham says that it is possible (as many other spiritual teachers have done and continue to do)... IF the human can get the human conscious awareness of fear/ doubt / worry out of the way. Apparently it's as easy as saying to someone, "It is possible to scale up El Capitan, so off you go and do it." Not everyone is physically ready to do so. Jerry's reluctance to use the 'C' word is not deceptive, in my opinion, it is a human trying to reach for a positive conclusion in the face of one of the most highly publicised forces of our time and his own human condition. That's a lot of force to try to overcome and I do not find it all surprising, embarrassing or in conflict with the teachings, that he failed to do so. Maybe he'll get it right next time and crossover from a tropical island with pineapple juice in hand. Cheers! Jerry's journey is not for you, or I, or anyone to judge, and is not actually relevant to those who turn to Abraham as a source of advice. Your sourness, also, cannot undo the corroboration of Abraham's advice through happenstance, evident to many others, whether the techniques work for you or not. We each choose the insights that resonate well with us and although, through your words, I am reminded to take into account the human mood of those who translate such wisdom, not much else of what you say resonates with me. Interesting that you have written a whole article condemning the marketing pitch attached to Hicks communication and gone on to finish an opinion piece with a link to your own works on Amazon. Pot. Kettle. Black. hmm?

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Why is it that people who leap in to defend Esther Hicks are never able to cite a single instance to reinforce their claims?

          "You get what you look for" is specious sophistry that masks the fact that you have nothing with which to counter. If you are deliberately blind to objective observation, maybe because you're so deeply invested in a belief system, it's true that you may refuse to acknowledge what's right in front of you. Doesn't mean you can't see it, just that you don't want to.

          If at any time you actually have something constructive or substantial to add, please wander back and do so. I don't expect it though. Cult members never do. They are usually too fearful that their balloons will be burst.

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          eflatmac 2 years ago

          Dude, how much time did you spend trying to prove that Abraham is a kind of gimmick? I can smell your bitterness. This reads like a college sophmore's final paper... what exactly were you trying to accomplish here? Who did you think would be reading this? I mean, really, if you've got nothing nice to say...

          Spend your time contributing something positive. You think Abe is bs and you've documented the proof you've found. Someone else thinks it saved his/her life and could prove that as well. You get what you look for.

          Obviously you've found what you were looking for. I suppose congratulations are in order.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          I hope you have a nice day too!

          Your angry comment would be more convincing and, I'm sure, helpful, if you were able to cite even one example of "misinterpreted half-truths." Where are the "half-baked speculation" or the "twisted truth?"

          It seems to me that, when you disagree, your tactic is to take roundhouse punches of accusation without citing any evidence. That doesn't work so well in the real world. I can explain and justify every word I've written. How about you? Or is this just the cult talking?

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          dp27 2 years ago

          I'm impressed! This article is so full of misinterpreted half-truths you could write an entire book on the subject. I love the self-promotion at the end, too. You could've just condensed the article a bit by writing, "Abraham Hicks is a fraud and a lie, but you can read my books instead!"

          You don't have to like AH or Jerry or Esther, or believe in any of it. But you could at the very least offer your readers a little less half-baked speculation and twisted truth. You won't get far by bashing other spiritual teachers, and I certainly wouldn't bother buying books from one who does. Have a nice day.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Typical of Abraham-Hicks defenders, you don't cite a single example of an inaccuracy. Sorry, but I can verity every word. Where did I get such a skewed view? Objective study. Try it some time.

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          ElaineMM 2 years ago

          Dear David: I do not know how you arrived at such a skewed view of the Abraham-Hicks info, but everything you wrote was pretty much inaccurate. And biased. I hope that people will do their own research and use their own discernment. Thank you.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          I'm sorry to give you that impression, Ann. What you see as "arrogant self-satisfaction" others see as confidence. There are multiple sides to every story. People will land on whichever one fits their worldview best. But why make it personal? Like any writer, I cover what I know a lot about. Abraham-Hicks just happens to be an area where I have a lot of experience, have some expertise and know sever great contacts. And ugly, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

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          Ann Onymous 2 years ago

          I think David Stone is correct: always the inevitable sales pitch, eh? I notice you were sure to include your own! LOL However your 'yawn, yawn, yawn' comment reeks of such arrogant self-satisfaction that I doubt that you are anywhere near as happy and wise as you purport. So many articles about Jerry and Esther and Abraham...and so ugly.

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          Wayne Peebles 2 years ago

          The Law of Corruption is always on. Personally, I prefer what the Buddhists call The Law of Cause and Effect. I like to call the "Great

          Recession", The "Great Blessing". It showed how crassly materialistic

          our society has become. The most important thing is not what you have;

          it is what you are. The most important things in life are not things.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Mary, like most people, if you want to believe something, you will fined reasons to justify your belief.

          Here's a tip, look up "irrational" in the dictionary to become familiar with its meaning.

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          Mary 2 years ago

          Thanks David for sharing this!! I enjoyed watching her workshop video you shared here, because I now am sure that she is genuine.

          The way she behaves with a rude guy who has come to make fun of her husband death, is amazing!!!!!!!

          Also, your irrational reasoning helped me a lot in telling genuine from fake.

          Also the fact that you are so concerned now about the right of animals (i guess you have been watching all Esthers' videos for such a long time and when you finally found a part which you hoped to support your claims, you had a party!) BUT you have used some words like Emptiheadedness and Dumpbest about how people think!!!!!!!! is too strange.

          Its also strange that how Esther could talk that respectfully with that guy but you talk like that with people who have just commented against what you think and haven't come here to talk about a dear one death!!!!!

          Thanks.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @donna9999: You may think you "know that they do not judge anyone," but that is not the case. It's not the case, on the simplest level, because as a matter of living a life among others, we judge them all the time. Nobody escapes that nor should they. It's how we chose friends and so forth.On a practical level, knowing people who have been close associates of Jerry and Esther, I can assure that neither is or was a saint or exceptional in any way, except for the marketing. There are people they hurt badly and pinned responsibility on Abraham. Pretty cheesy, right. Esther and Jerry when he was alive both had strong personal senses of entitlement and a willing to ostracize and abandon people after they used them up. Esther is especially judgmental and brown to melt downs when employees make any she deems a mistake. Don't put them on a pedestal. They don't belong there.

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          donna9999 3 years ago

          I want to make a comment about the apparent negative feelings many Hick's followers have expressed. My advice is that the information the Hicks family shared with the public is outstanding. I feel that when individuals convert the material as a religion, then the responsibility is afforded to them. I am a mental health therapist and have enjoyed applying the techniques to my source of information. Fortunately i have held on to my religious beliefs and associated the "source" as the power of the Heavenly Being that I believe in.Please do not judge the Hicks family because I know that they do not judge anyone.

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          sharka69 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: Thanks for the answers Dave.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @sharka69: My apologies. I'd read in a discussion group that Roberts kept smoking even after she fell ill and jumped to the wrong conclusion. You are right about her. Her work is credible, and she never tired to exploit and image or turn her gift for profit, as far as I know.Kyra? I wish I could answer that. She stopped updating her blog, without explanation. My guess is, she got tired of the topic and moved on, but it's just a guess. As far as I can see, she said all she wanted to say on the subject of Esther, Jerry and Seth.

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          sharka69 3 years ago

          A couple of questions:1. Where is the information suggesting Jane Roberts died of cancer? I read all her books around the time of her illness and found no mention of cancer, only mention of severe arthritis, bed sores and infections. She wouldn't have tried to hide it- her and Robert Butts made no attempt to appear perfect- they were quite happy to admit their flaws.2. Do you know what happened to Kyra, critic of Abraham? Her blogs have been silent for what looks like 2 years. This seems odd given her apparent passion for the work.Thanks.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anna-wilson-5667: Funny thing, I'm quite astounded too that anyone claiming to be an adult would wallow in a fantasy about "ceasing judgement." Everyone judges things all the time, every day. (In case you missed it, you judged like crazy right here. Good for you! There's hope.) Judgement is one of the salient characteristics of humans. Denouncing judgement is just an empty-headed, New Age thing that lets you feel oh so superior to the rest of us mortals. Woo-woo at its worst.It also amazes me that you don't get the danger Esther Hicks injects with her blame the victim theology, insisting every death is suicide and that crime victims, from rape to murder, bring it on themselves with their bad vibrations. Don't you see the dangers of giving people like you a convenient excuse for ignoring the pains of your fellow human beings?As for marketing, gosh, who would ever stoop to anything so low as marketing? What's this world coming to?

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          anna-wilson-5667 3 years ago

          The fact is that different things resonate for different people at different times. I would think that anyone claiming to be spiritual evolved or conscious could cease judgement and let people find their own path. There was a time when they did it for me, now I am drawn to Kryon. People are ready for messages at different times. I don't think she says anything negative that would harm a persons life. I am quirte astounded you go to great lengths to bash her down. Sounds more like a marketing tool to promote your own work or others you admire. Boohoo to you

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @catamaran6: Note: Neither Deepak Chopra nor Wayne Dyer are "long time students of Abraham." Chopra has too much on the ball to waste time on this stuff, and in spite of his willingness to endorse whatever Hay House asks him to, in his recent spiritual autobiography, I Can See Clearly Now, Dyer never mentions Esther, Jerry or Abraham, not even once, although he recognizes numerous other sources of learning and insight. And no, I have never met Esther or Jerry. Everything I write is personal.

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          catamaran6 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: So you still listen to them? I agree with you Dave in the sense that the idea of LOA has been around forever, they certainly didn't create it. I think most of their materials say "the current law of attraction wave started here" or some such thing. And i think the current wave was popularized by them. Many folks I read say the same thing but in newer more specific ways. And that variety can be valuable. It's interesting that a new step was added to their "system" only after Jerry died. The step four business is an evolution in their teaching for sure, it dovetails nicely with Chopra, Tolle, and other such teachers of valuing beingmess over doingness. Chopra of course isn't original, nor is Dyer (both are also long time students of Abraham) but I appreciate their personal spin. I don't think of Esther as any kind of guru needing to be transcended. Like everything, they are a reflection of us. Your perspective is interesting. Did you know the Hicks' personally? This seems personal for you somehow.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @catamaran6: Great if it works for you, catamaran6, but rather than expand, Esther has contracted and gone back to old ideas since Jerry's death, in my opinion. I do hope you will keep looking. Outgrowing Esther's teachings can be an important step in maturing as an individual.

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          catamaran6 3 years ago

          Esther and her message has actually hugely expanded since the death of Jerry. It is deeper and more powerful than ever. I have read and enjoyed many spiritual teachers, including all mentioned here, but Abraham has a specific resonance for me and has powerfully changed my life. And in the past two years it has gone to a whole new level.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @kamilaruno: Really?

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          kamilaruno 3 years ago

          So much hate here, DaveStone13... What did poor Esther and Jerry Hicks ever do to you to deserve so many bitter words? It must hurt you to see that now, in 2014, Esther still continues her path, even without Jerry's physical appearance... It seems in the end that she wasn't just parroting Jerry :) Blessed her work and all the people who choose to see good in the others.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @Pat Goltz: Thanks, Pat. You've hit some of the points that resonate with me as well. If we are going to take anyone's teachings on faith, it better be getting us somewhere more integrated with the reality in which we live.

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          Pat Goltz 3 years ago

          I never followed the Hicks. For some reason (for which I am thankful), that sort of thing never appealed to me. I did read Think and Grow Rich, and wasn't impressed by it. I don't remember a thing he said, actually. As for the Hicks, I think you made your case well. I have a lot more respect for the Dalai Lama, although I do not share his spiritual perspective. At least he is a gentle soul, which is more than I can say about a lot of these people. Obviously, claiming that the 3000 that were killed in the terrorist attacks were committing suicide is the height of cruelty. The Law of Attraction is like that, you know. It blames the victim. As for cancer, I lost my fear of it when I turned my back on the notion of conventional treatment. I have known too many people who did likewise and got along just fine. For me, going conventional first delays real treatment, and may make it less effective. I plan to stick around and read everyone's comments. They would appear to be as interesting as the lens itself. I love how analytical your writings are. Keep it up!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: B Man, that may be, but only if Jerry was lying. He was very clear in his online messages that he expected to be well soon and back in the act. That was after he had the sense to skip the nutty Abraham teachings about health and wellness that he went through chemotherapy and alternative therapies that appeared to include a trip to Korea. This is fairly well documented, and they even had a cover story that he went there because of the kinship he'd always had with the Korean people. Made me laugh, honestly, but the story was too crazy even for them. So, they just let him disappear without an obituary, place of burial or death certificate in this country. You can probably rationalize an explanation for all that to avoid the reality from which A-H offers escape.You say, "I have manifested very powerfully affirming results," without giving any evidence that it's true. Not surprising. Most Abers don't because they can't. So, (and I can document this) I've thrived all my life with all kinds of adventures, good money, a long marriage, grandchildren and living in the place of my dreams. I have never been sick. Even though I don't follow the "teachings of Abraham," I've been happy anyway, mostly because I believe in passion, hard work, honesty and faith. That doesn't prove the Abe teachings are wrong. It just shows that they are no special elixir for happiness or abundance.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Even Jerry was working to learn these teachings to the extent of healing himself- I believe he has fullfilled his destiney this life and perhaps saw no difference w non physical; I have played with ntheir teachings for twenty years and I have manifested very powerfully affirming results; but hey it's my reality. Rock on Esther and Abraham!!!!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I appreciate your philosophical slant on this, even though I disagree. You're thinking and trying to understand. Good for you! Keep at it. It's a long road.As for Jerry, not only did Jerry openly declare his desire to stay alive, he wrote that he had a chat with Abraham and was told how to correct the errors he'd made. It was unequivocal. Now, either he was lying (Why would he?) or he didn't know what he was talking about. If he hadn't clearly stated the opposite, there might be something to the case you make. As it is, he ended up exposing the hollowness of all the flapdoodle Esther's been spilling for decades.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I feel that Jerry, you and me can change any circumstance or situation .If we can and I mean IF we can change the emotional aspect of the subject,The contrasting energy we feel about health, wealth, relationships, our surrounding can be so very big and extremely hard to move to a better feeling place, that is seem imposable never mind death being inevitable however we are all living longer and better lives with more abundance as well as more of lack in our live as well .Jerry and Ester both experience the contrast as humans do and would never deny the incompleteness of their existence .If Jerrys desire was to continue here in this perspective and he was able to reach and find that balance we would not be having this dialog, I believe jerry like all of us IF we can choose a better feeling vibration and emotionally change energy then all is possible . To hang on or to let go either way All is well cause it never ends .See you soon

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Boiled, you make a great point. People are natural followers. The flaw, I think, lies in the poor choices we make for leaders.Thanks.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @rattie lm: Right you are there. People who continue to follow the cult of the AMA are just as bad as any other cult followers. Chemotherapy is a huge money maker for the drug companies but also a very toxic "treatment" for the recipient. In the case of chemo, the "cure" is often worse than the disease. Yet people continue to place all their faith in this practice because the priest in the white lab coat says it's the only way.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Isse, you have several questions, and I'll answer of few of them for you.1. "I see you guys thrashing this couple for no good reasons, why should it bother you guys? What is your payback by doing it? Is it because you are so concerned for other people?" I don't know who the other "guys" might be, but what they are doing doesn't bother me especially, although fraud is always a public nuisance. Payback? None, other than what I earn as a writer on any of the many subjects I cover. No, concern for other people is not a motivation for me in writing this, other than the obligation to provide good accurate information on my suject.2. I have no reason to believe Jesus performed miracles or that the historical Jesus was much like what the Bible and organized religions make of him.3. Tolle got his ideas mainly from Zen Buddhism. Chopra is more protean, but he gets a lot from ancient Indian mystical traditions. Both rely on information far more complex and researched than Esther or Jerry Hicks' work. Esther and mostly Jerry took their ideas from the New Thought Movement, where the "law of attraction" originated, from Seth Speaks and, in practical performance, from Sheila Gillette. All pretty well documented.I am sure, Isse, that if you will turn your passion toward knowing, instead of just believing, you will see through the clouds of pretense the Abraham Hicks group thrives within.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Wow people are really out there to get them! I see you guys thrashing this couple for no good reasons, why should it bother you guys? What is your payback by doing it? Is it because you are so concerned for other people? I doubt it. Meanwhile you are promoting other books.. Don't you know some of these ideas from these books are replica of the Abraham's teaching? Let people be, each of us have different experiences in life. Check out your fingers, are they all the same? Look, there are thousands of ways of being spiritual, I am sure the result could be the same, it's just using a different method of operation. You guys are picking on them and turn their words upside down, I could do the same here to you guys too but I see this is unkind and unnecessary. You have no idea what they are talking about.You have mentioned Jesus too. Didn't Jesus heal people and he performed miracles? He tells the person not to mention it to anyone, didn't he? So let me ask you a question, do you believe Jesus performed miracles then? It is very hard to be in pure positive energy because we are human. Our mind sometimes takes over us, then we start to worry about the outcome of our actions. But there are people who are not afraid of outcome because they do not worry about outcome. But how many of us are like that honestly? Abraham is telling us that the most important time is now, this is where you create everything. ( one has to be in the Vortex first). The book The Power of Now is telling us the same thing. Where do you think Tolle got the idea or Chopra for his book? Everyone is telling us something or selling us something, and that means including you Dave. You are selling something too. We are responsible for our own beliefs, but please do not thrash other people's orientation. You are going upstream for with it for all I know. Thank you.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: The spiritual equivalent of a used car salesman with the exception that the used car salesman is regulated by law and has to deliver something.Thanks.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Saw Esther on the weekend. I felt beyond ill the whole session. I think she is fabulous at channelling money out of people's wallets.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @rattie lm: Sorry, rattie, but any resentment is in your imagination. And where you got the idea that this lens has anything to do with a debate about chemotherapy I'll never know. It seems you have an agenda to promote, whether it's relevant.Just for the record though, for all its drawbacks, chemotherapy has done a lot more good than Esther Hicks' "change your vibration" theology.

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          rattie lm 4 years ago

          So much resentment in this lens. But you know Dave, there should be just as much resentment in the present medical modality. We all need to change what we are doing, and that means not bending to people who do not have our best intentions at heart. I see people who are 'deserate and vulerable' succumb to chemotherapy. Do you really believe that fixes anything?

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @Blonde Blythe: Successful nuts, though. Even after all the nonsense around Jerry's death, Esther keeps cookin'.

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          Blonde Blythe 4 years ago

          Interesting lens on a couple of "nuts." Very well done!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @Kapalbility: I agree, and that's the hook that gets followers, along with her making it seem easier than the others who have taught the same thing. She and Jerry borrowed the best from many sources and published their own version. The trouble is that they stretched some and invented some on their own. When you start following the good stuff, you also get a hefty dose of some pretty dangerous stuff. Okay for people who are clear enough to discriminate. Not okay for people who are desperate or vulnerable.

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          Kapalbility 4 years ago

          Makes quite a controversy! I did find her "channeling" Abrahan quite ridiculous, but some of the teachings are really good.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @OneCuriousCat: The point is that Jerry and Esther chose to avoid the so-called teachings of Abraham completely, when these offer very simple and easy cures, according to them. The question that results is, why not?

          It's true that Esther protected herself from potential liability by carefully telling people to continue treatments is they felt they were "nourishing." You won't find a single instance where she recommended that anyone who was ailing seek treatment and repeatedly mocked peoples thoughts about doing so. I have the recordings, by the way.

          As for the books, I believe Esther and Jerry should have a chance on the same lens to offer their own ideas. Amazon is a perfect spot for that. And, yes, Squidoo shares sales revenue with it's authors. Did you imagine we worked for free?

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          OneCuriousCat 4 years ago

          The teachings of Abraham do not say to only rely on your vibration for illness--that is a possible route, but many many times they talk about using the medical technology that is present to heal. Have you listened to the recordings thoroughly? Have you been to a seminar? Also, regardless of if you believe their spiritual ideas are correct, your argument to say that Esther is now out from under the control of Jerry is very thin. In fact, you use her style of dress being more colorful as one piece of evidence, yet the photo you showed of her post-Jerry's passing, in her supposedly ruling the roost now and free, and the earlier one supposedly under Jerry's control, had her wearing exactly the same colorful blouse! And you are entitled to your ideas--but why would you put their books as a link to purchase here? You are using them to make money because if people buy, you will get a cut. (As well as the Secret, which are based on the Hicks' teachings, at least originally. )

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          whoever wrote all the ridiculous nonsense about Jerry Hicks and his illness, taking the teachings of Abraham totally out of context, is a real a-hole. if anything you had to say had any merit, you would be as famous as Abraham, but, alas, you are a mean little close-minded soul looking for some kind of attention - very sad.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: "Each person finds their own truth from within, and for most of us it comes from a place of unconditional love and non judgement." Really? "We have met these people and they are the most honest and forthright and sincere people we have had the pleasure of meeting." This is judgment. Something we all practice every day of our lives. You see it as undesirable only when it disagrees with you. You're just like everyone else trying to find the best way to understand and live your life.Being shill for Esther Hicks isn't exactly the high road you'd like it to appear. Try some independent thought and discernment. Look at things objectively, without your pro-AH opinions formed in advance and see what really come up with.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: Eventually you yourself will change your mind anyways. That is your nature. There are many like you trying to outsmart themselves. We are all seeking.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          "So, why didn't they just do that instead of choosing conventional medicine, the chemotherapy Jerry described as "heavy," and a string of alternative therapies that may have led them all the way to South Korea at the end? All he needed to do was change his vibration, according to Esther, who also said Jerry was the best person in the world at keeping his vibration in control." As outsiders we don't know if there were limitations to the Hicks' medical policy, if they had one for their treatment. I thought I read somewhere that they didn't have medical coverage, but Jerry would have been old enough to receive Medicare if he met the eligibilty requirements. If they didn't have coverage or had exhausted their coverage then other options may have been sought. Medical Tourism (conventional medicine) is one of those options found at numerous international facilities. Other options such as John of God (alternative treatments). Whether we like to believe it or not doctors often discourage some treatments based on age of patient, they consider it giving false up and of course we could go into the ways insurance companies and Medicare discourage further treatments. Right or wrong it happens. As for Jerry's vibration, we don't know what his thoughts were towards the end. Esther expressed her opinion of how she viewed Jerry's vibration. My view of Jerry was that he was a fighter and when one option didn't work he kept looking and fighting as long as he had it in him to do so. I don't view seeking other medical or healing options as a bad thing if one wasn't working. Having hope and the desire to keep fighting is a big part of the process. I realize that others might disagree and they have the right to their opinion. I can say that when people start criticizing others we should take an honest look at ourselves. It's very easy to point fingers and identify others' flaws. What about our own flaws? We all criticize, but maybe a better approach is to rise above it all and lead by example. Having a toxic attitude really doesn't solve anything. I hope the gentleman who posted a suicide threat on one of the earlier comment sections received help. That post was a sad thing to read.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Lovely to be able to have an opinion and just as grand to know that yours means nothing to me. Each person finds their own truth from within, and for most of us it comes from a place of unconditional love and non judgement. I have a beautiful friend who places it out there perfectly "Mind my own business and carry on look to MYSELF and have some fun and feel good now."If it makes you feel good to ride on the back of criticism and disrespect then that is what you should do, but have the decency to remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from someone else's. Have you walked in their shoes do you live in their minds? Only then can you make any constructive comments about Esther and Jerry Hicks and the Teachings of Abraham. I believe that Esther Hicks is so sincere that she would never stoop to having to defend herself and her beliefs to you or anyone else. She shares what she believes to be true and she does not hold a gun to anyones head. " Take what resonates with you and disregard the rest" that is what Abraham always maintains. We have met these people and they are the most honest and forthright and sincere people we have had the pleasure of meeting. May you too one day meet someone who can help influence your life and bring you clarity about choices.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Other than the obvious fact that you are utterly clueless about DNA, you as many Abers before you, consistently argue against statements that were never made. What you do have to say is so consistent with previous sock puppets sent over by AHP, I have to conclude that you probably never read any of the above and had all this written before you logged in.Tedious, but persistent.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Everyone dies, even very spiritually committed people. Its in the DNA. I can't imagine why anyone would be surprised by it. Further, cancer has been called, by some, the disease of the mystics and the bane of very spiritually minded people. Its the body's attempt at eternal life, but imperfectly expressed. I don't believe I ever heard either Esther or Jerry say they expected to live forever or that they perfectly applied and manifested everything channeled from Source. If anything, they joked about the times they fell short. Why is Jerry's death an opportunity to call them charlatans rather than to mourn and memorialize a man who worked to promote a better way of thinking and living?

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          brynimagire 5 years ago

          Fantastic .! Great lens !

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Kay, you're entitled to your opinion. The Dalai Lama seems like a nice guy with a more enlightened attitude than most gurus, but his opinions about life and how to live it are of little interest to me.Interesting thought, but I've never given much of a thought to how I want to be remembered. I guess I go along with Bob Dylan: "I don't have any regrets. They can talk about me all they want when I'm gone." About sums it up.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          A quote from His Holiness the Dalai Lama; AWARENESS To be aware of a single shortcoming within oneself is more useful than to be aware of a thousand in somebody else. Rather than speaking badly about people and in ways that will produce friction and unrest in their lives, we should practice a purer perception of them, and when we speak of others, speak of their good qualities- if you find yourself slandering anybody- first imagine that your mouth is filled with excrement- it will break you of the habit quickly enough." When I remember Jerry Hicks I think of a kind person whose work always made me feel empowered.....how do you want to be remembered? Hopefully not for this mean spirited and petty blog discrediting someone you don't even know...

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It surprises me how often Abe followers belabor the obvious, trying to score on a subject never raised.Of course, you choices in your 80's, although fewer, as you do at any age to enhance or end your life. By the time most of us get our bodies through 80 years, we've worn them out to a great extent. We still have choices, but there is one we don't have. We can't live forever. It should be obvious to even the most unthinking Abers that what science predicts is pretty much what happens, law of attraction or not.As for Jerry Hicks, he personally brought up the subject when he became ill, and everything he said before that (including a wish to live to be 120) as well as what he said at the time contradicts your excuses. He was feeling tired, yes, mostly from his as yet undiagnosed leukemia. Once he went public, he claimed to be following the "path of least resistance" with conventional medicine and was eager to put back 15 pounds he'd lost and get back to work. Are you so desperate to believe your A-H fantasy that you're going to retell his story in a way that suits you, not Jerry? How can you overrule him?You talk about having respect while you are so inconsiderate, you discard what the man himself said because it suits your needs.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Well, when you're in your 80's its your choice. Maybe, he had enough of it all, was just "tired," and wanted to go...... It is really nobody's business how they chose to deal with the cancer. After all, they are human with physical bodies. It can't be easy trying to please more and more people, dealing with contracts, etc. Have a little respect.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: You make the same comments and you get the same ones back my friend. I wouldn't call myself an Abe follower but I listen to what they say and a lot of it makes sense. I take what I want from it and leave what I don't, as anyone does with anything. Nothing is black and white. And I wasn't sent by ABH. And I did read where you wrote that Esther was basically doing everything jerry said and now that he had died that Abraham would die with him, I honestly don't want to spend the time finding it. You have devoted so much of your writing to them it seems impossible. (and if you challenge me on that again, it's fine really, it's not worth arguing over semantics. You've said basically the same thing over and over again in these articles, just in different words.) You criticize for canceling workshops after Jerry's death saying that Esther clearly can't do it alone, and then when they get rescheduled, you criticize saying that she's all about the money. Anything they say or do will be under scrutiny from you because you've made you're mind up already. And if you think you're doing the world a favor, you're not; Jerry and Esther will be remembered and revered long after they're gone and you're a forgotten, bitter man with a bitter blog who only made ripples on the coat tails of Abraham, and at the expense of Jerry's death. All great spiritual teachers were condemned by haters in their time; only to be revered, adored and quoted later... and where will your writings be?

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          Tolovaj Publishing House 5 years ago from Ljubljana

          I hope young people will read this, their minds are most vulnerable...

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          kathysart 5 years ago

          Oh PS.. Angel blessed.

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          kathysart 5 years ago

          I confess to not being able to accept channeling, it just feels weird to me, but who knows, I could be all wrong. I was a "Born Again" for 15 years which I feel is somewhat of a cult, just like A&H, or a lot of things that ask for full commitment. All things in moderation is my mantra now. There is life inside a flower and each leaf on every tree is unique. I pick leaves and put them in my pocket after reflecting on my own uniqueness and that comforts me. I create art and to me, because of the fact that everything I see feels creative, in those times when I create my life feels right. Past that I have no answers.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Little E, I don't know what question you are trying to answer, starting with "Nope," but it's obviously one not asked here. And you defenders of the A-H are getting tiresome with the same old, tired, evasive mantra. You should take a tip from Esther. She doesn't even try because she knows, as should you, that the course of action followed by Jerry when he was diagnosed with cancer was in direct contradiction to what she had been preaching for decades.The truth: she and Jerry both knew that following the course they'd long advised for followers would be hopeless. Doing the sensible thing, which most people not sold on Esther and Jerry's teachings would do, was the smart option.Now, for the last time (all future versions of this excuse making will not make the cut), no one ever said anyone would live forever, but Esther repeatedly claimed that we should not have to become ill or deteriorate. She also offered several quick cures in "the teachings of Abraham." So, why did Jerry deteriorate so radically and not even try the Abraham quick and easy cures? Anyone who wants to try answering the big question Esther pretends isn't there is welcome to give it a shot.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Nope, neither you nor Jerry were going to live forever. Our tired old bodies give out eventually. In the meantime, we can either choose to try to listen and learn to improve ourselves and our ability to help others or we can live as negatively as possible and take our chances.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Such an angry outburst with so many accusations is hard to sort through and answer, but I'll try. First, yes, I'm a writer. But since I don't have anything pent up to vent, I guess I can't agree with that. I write about what interests and/or inspires me. I'm a little older, but not angry about anything. And I consider the world to be overwhelmingly good. The majority, by far, of what I've written is about art. I used to write a lot about books, too, but those never caught on. I get a lot of hits on my travel lenses, which is neat because I love travel. My opinions on Abraham-Hicks account for less than 5%, which I've mentioned before, but they get a lot of interest. I don't see any harm in expressing an opinion contrary to what Esther and Jerry have marketed about themselves. Those of you who appreciate free speech only when it agrees with you may have trouble with that.Esther and Jerry Hicks have selectively made their private lives public many, many times, including the story they told about Jerry's illness. If they didn't separate their lives from the teachings, repeatedly using them as examples, why do you think I should?I don't think I have anything hidden in my life, although there's plenty I wish I'd never done or done better. We make mistakes inevitably along the way, learning mistakes we hope. Very likely too, others may have lesser opinions about me than I do, just like you. But life's not a popularity contest. It's about learning to listen and following your inspirations. I'm pretty good at that, always trying to be better.Gosh, I'm so shocked you unliked my pages and unfriended me. Why would you ever have done otherwise? As far as I can tell, I don't know you and never have. Since you mentioned Sierra, I guess I should say that I am a fan of hers, even if I don't always agree with her points of view. Sierra is smart, brave and energetic. She has enthusiasm to spare. But since I've known her from way back on the Abe Forum, I'd say she is a more complex personality than what you see on Facebook. She has an adventurous personal life and many people care for and admire her.Sierra from the AbeBabe phase on Abe Forum has been a law of attraction advocate. Of course, she quotes from Abraham. There are some really good thoughts out there. She probably doesn't agree that Abraham is a hoax, even if Esther and Jerry picked a good platform to create from. They have done a lot of good. Conversely, I hear from many sources that they've done a lot of harm and are, by no means, living the life they pitch to others through the workshops and books.So, I guess you'd have to admit that I have my "mind wrapped around this." And, sorry, writing "uplifting articles" is not on the menu. That criteria just doesn't ring any bells for me. I try to convey information honestly and directly about subjects that interest me and my readers. Esther and Jerry have always counted on vulnerable individuals who lacked the courage to uplift themselves and were willing to pay "enlightened teachers" to do it for them. They'd profit less and you'd be better fulfilled if you took the time to find the light inside yourself. Thanks for the opening.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You are entitled to your opinion David Stone and you are a writer, its appearently the only way for you to vent whats inside of you. I have read articles before from your hand on other subjects where you are the angry old man against your perceived 'badness' of this world. With the articles about Abraham and Esther and Jerry you fail to keep the private life of the Hicks's apart from what they bring to the world under the Abraham name. I bet if someone (if ever interested) would investigate your life, they would find some hidden things too. Who cares? The Abraham message is bringing joy and lightness to lots of people, that is what matters. I made sure I unliked your pages and unfriended you, cause I'm not interested anymore in reading such outings that make me feel heavy. Its strange that on facebook one of your likes is Sierra, she is one of the biggest Abraham fans ever and posts lots of quotes from that source. It seems you can't get your mind wrapped around this, can you? And you know what? You can't. The mind won't get this ever. And if you get that, maybe you are able to write more uplifting articles. Because this world nowadays surely need that, don't you agree?

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I'll give you guys credit. You never run out of new angles for trying to discredit the messengers about Esther and Jerry. This one, though, does have a unique loopiness. My "magic died long ago..." Really?Sorry it makes you sad. Try to cheer up, if you can.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: You're words are your personality Mr Stone and your words fully show the magic in you died long ago. Which is very sad.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Well, Lotus Reach, you've kept with the tradition. You insist the objective opinions that differ from yours must be hatred. Why else would anyone disagree?For one thing, they've consistently borrowed and stolen ideas others generated and claim them to be original. Maybe you're not aware that they tried to sneak in a trademark claim for "law of attraction," when they knew it had been coined in the New Thought Movement and in continuous for around seventy-five years. You say they "suggested new ideas about life and the Universe." Name one. More frequently, Esther exposes her lack of education (sorry, if you think there really is an Abraham) by misunderstanding the established string theory and claiming that humans were around during the time of the dinosaurs. Off by only a few billion years. I guess those were new ideas, but you'd have to be a member of wildly uneducated crowd Esther caters to find them valuable. I (and others such as yourself) have "no right" to criticize or, as you say "slash into pieces." What country are you in? We have free speech here in America and every right to express ourselves, even if it hurts your feelings or infuriates you. That's another thing.Clearly, you're angry because my comments and those of other skeptics, like Kyra and Cosmic Connie, touch a nerve. You're shaky in your beliefs and afraid that we we're saying is right on. You hate to lose your little hiding place of imaginary truth and superiority. I'm curious to know how you know that "both are far happier than" me. If you can corral an objective sense of the world, tell us how you got to that one. Do you know Esther, Jerry or me personally? Your opinion of what they have "added to the world" is fine, but like all the angry A-H advocates, you have no evidence at all. Just a statement that makes you feel secure. Try for facts. They won't hurt you.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You are doing all you can to damage and kill off the work of Abraham Hicks. And you are pouring a lot of venom. and hatred over Abraham Hicks. But the truth is Abraham Hicks, Esther and Jerry Hicks, have added a rainbow of brilliant colors and wonderful thoughts to this planet. They have suggested new ideas about life and the Universe that others such as yourself have no right to attempt to slash into pieces. Leave them alone. They are both far happier than you. What they have added to the world is great. Fun, beauty, hope, laughter, wisdom.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @anonymous: I'm sure she has! Gotta pay for that bus you know! Come on use your brain.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: So, anon, what exactly led you to the conclusion that this lens is about me? You haven't commented on anything else.Those of us who criticize Esther Hicks are used to those of you who think free speech and sharing opinions is a bad thing; so, your angry argument cuts no ice here. BTW, I tried to get Truth to lie before me naked, as you suggest, but she said no. Can't blame me for trying.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Dave Stone, I read your comments and look at your photograph and I do not feel any joy or any love coming forth from your being in any way. You seem intent on bad mouthing other human and spiritual beings and forcing your negative opinions down the throats of others.....which you are accusing Esther and Jerry Hicks of doing. Why don't you allow others to find or not find the Hicks, to like or dislike the Hicks, to believe or not to believe the Hicks.....why do you feel you have to 'guide others' with your thinking on this topic.....like you think others cannot judge for themselves what is the truth versus a lie? It seems to me that your own ego is in such full force that you would not know the truth if it were to lie before you naked......because your ego would not recognize it. Battle on.....but why don't you leave others out of your battle.....because it's all about YOU YOU YOU anyway......oh....and lighten up....you are so intense!

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @KatherineF: Kate, you had me there for a minute, but then, you went straight to the AHP spin, countering arguments never made and working to get Jerry and Esther off the hook with one we've seen many times before: "people can interpret it in any way they wish and take from it what the need or want."So, if Esther says something crazy and someone follows her guidance, it's their fault for not taking the right thing or interpreting it the wrong way. If they latch onto something good (which would be something Esther borrowed from a predecessor, like Seth or Wattles), then they picked right and it's all to Esther's credit. Interesting how you guys manage to pivot credit to Esther without her having to take credit for any of the truly bad results, the family breakups, the deaths that might have been avoided if people had gone the conventional route in treatment, instead of Esther's way, and let's not forget the suicides, from Andrew Wilcox to Ari with stops in-between.Yours is a much more clever package of content that Esther and her gang usually send over. Since Jerry got sick and couldn't be as involved, the sock puppets sent out to comment have been more along Esther's not so bright, but raggedly emotional line. Thanks. I'll be looking for more to come, and I hope you are being well-rewarded for all your efforts.BTW, the comment you left on another lens, using a different name, this morning was deleted for lack of appropriate content. Keep trying though. It's entertaining.

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          KatherineF 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: Hi Dave, Congratulations on providing a platform for discussion and testing of beliefs. I am a little familiar with Abraham's teachings, as I am with Buddhist principles of non-attachment and being present, the Christian tenet of faith, Islam's teaching of being conscious of one's actions and the common experience of "flow" that we encounter when we are fully focused and present. There are common aspects to spirituality and an understanding of psychology and well-being. I have found that when you take that which is true to your own experience, it helps to guide you towards a more fulfilling and successful life. I have not interpreted Abraham's teachings as a way to avoid the external factors of suffering (disease, misfortune, death), but rather as an internal compass to navigate a more positive and happy journey. The greatest lesson to me from Abraham's teachings is appreciation of myself, others and what I have. When I focus on that, I am happier, more constructive and open to the opportunities that life offers. I am then in a better position to attract what I need and desire, but (and this is the important subtlety) as soon as I forget to appreciate my present situation, I let ego get the better of me and I am less powerful to attract those things. As in the Bible, blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. I agree with Steve B, one's focus is what is important. Esther and Jerry Hicks are human beings on their own journey. They never claimed to be Abraham. They have provided a perspective, one which has helped many people to focus on what is right, rather than what is wrong, or what is wanted, rather than what is unwanted, what is helpful, rather than what is unhelpful. Like any dogma, including the Bible, people can interpret it in any way they wish and take from it what the need or want, literally or figuratively. Many thanks for your commentary and open forum. Kate

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You're assuming, for the most part, that human beings are merely bodies. As Shakesperare put it, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosphy.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: When AHP sends you guys over to comment and try to obscure the record, you repeat many of the obvious mistakes we caught onto long ago. Anyway, you are probably too shallow and absorbed what you call Esther's "work" and I call her act, but you can only imagine how puzzled I am that you keep trying the same tactic to discourage people from writing about Esther. Every corporate thief in the world or fraud artist would love to see investigative journalists do "something more productive" than expose public frauds and cults. Jerry, while alive, spend hours upon hours searching all over the internet to find negative comments, and then, the sent sock puppets like yourself out to combat them. The tactic you are using is not new to AHP.And, of course, you will never find a single place where I wrote that Esther was a puppet. What I wrote was that, for all intents, Jerry was Abraham. But for the record, Abraham Hicks is dead, at least the deeper, kinder Abraham that Jerry kept in place. With Jerry weakened with illness, Esther extended her approval of animal abuse, radically changed her appearance and repeatedly abused audience members publicly. That, whatever your real name is, is not the Abraham that Jerry helped Esther create and publicized. It's a meaner, even less empathetic invention that will have less appeal in the long run.And, of course, Esther started whipping up workshop before Jerry was cold. She and her current cohort of Marc, Barbara and Karen are all about the money. And these channeling workshops and the scripted hot seaters are the cash cow that's been fattening them for years. BTW, who uses the serious illness of her "beloved husband" as a marketing tool? You can't be serious. A narcissist loves only what he or she sees in the reflection.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          The fact that you spend do much time and energy on this is puzzling to me. When you could be doing something more productive for yourself and for others. You say Abe is a sham and Esther was just a puppet with Jerry holding the strings and now that he is dead, Abraham will die to, but it's not true; Esther has held one seminar last week and has 9 scheduled for the early part of next year. It's nice to know that Esther is continuing her life's work despite losing her beloved husband and partner and despite your feeble cheap shots at her.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Steve, it's great when people with differing opinions express them lucidly and convincingly.Thanks for a great addition to the discussion.Just a note on the torrents, though. You should now that AHP has a concerted effort going to crush the torrents that the community shares. Contrary to what they said their beliefs were when Jerry was alive, they are committed to legal maneuvers now to protect their "intellectual property." Jerry was turning in that direction, too, by the way.And just as their was fraud in their attempts to control the term "law of attraction," which had been invented by others and in use for a century or more (a fact they were aware of and tried to pretend they weren't), Esther and her cohort now are nothing like the live and let live folks they claim to be.Let me add that none of this diminishes the power or truth in much of what they say, but it certainly diminishes them as people with integrity and proponents of spiritual well-being, neither of which they are.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Before I found the Abe-Hicks channel on YouTube, I had a longtime confusion about emotions and thoughts, what they were, how they were different, etc. I had a sense that there was something about emotions that might be useful to me if I knew what that was. I also had longtime questions about what the hell people were talking about when they talked about "vibrations" and "energy". There were lots of esoteric questions I had about all matter of "meta" subjects. More recently, I'd had a desire to have a teacher that could answer my questions at my own pace and in a way I could understand. When I stumbled upon their videos, I felt like there was something of value for me. I bought their book "The Astonishing Power of Emotion" and resonated deeply with their message. Emotion follows thought. Never heard that before. Completely verifiable by self-test. Positive emotion is felt when I am focussed in a way that agrees with what I've established as good for me as a result of life experience. Negative emotion is experienced when I contradict it, and sets up a resistance pattern that makes it harder to get what I'm wanting. Completely novel, simple and verifiable by self-testing. Unfailingly true as I check out what others are feeling good or bad about and observe what they are getting or not getting. They are describing a possibly universal effect and no psych class I ever took could put it so succinctly? Am I more productive, efficient, and healthy when I'm feeling upbeat and enthusiastic than when I am cranky, mean, or depressed? Check. I think the clincher for me was their pointing to my own Inner Being translated through emotion, as the fail-safe test for things that are useful to focus upon. I have had no other teacher tell me how to rely so fully upon myself rather than their authority. This is not the language of cults. I have not abandoned anyone nor been kidnapped into into a cult community. Since buying a couple of their books, I have found hundreds of hours of workshops shared by the torrent community, and the Hicks have a non-pursuit policy regarding this. I think they have found the legal arena to be pretty out of the vortex. I pursue this out of enthusiasm for the subject, not because I am hypnotized into buying unwanted material. My 80 year old mother has noticed me happier and more present than I've been in years. Since giving up trying to change her behavior into something easier for me to tolerate, it's easier to be around her, and for the first time in a long time, I am feeling love and appreciation for her that I thought I'd lost years ago. Abraham (I'm happy to let anyone self-identify, and I don't mind calling Esther "Abraham" when she is in teacher-mode) freely says every particle of the Universe contains that which is wanted and that which is unwanted, which explains clearly how you can find so much wrong with their model. You are free to do so, since we are free beings. I hope you are feeling Well-Being as you find things to focus upon. Just wanted to share an Allower's perspective. Be well.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @anonymous: AGREED! And to add to that, anyone who would call the Hicks and Abraham a fake over the death of Jerry clearly does not understand the conceptual message laid out in the Abraham message. EVERYTHING IS BLISS, INCLUDING DEATH. Humans think death is the worst thing ever. NOT TRUE! Jerry wanted to kick the bucket, that was HIS BLISS! Abraham teaches you can have everything you want HE WANTED TO DIE. That makes the teachings all the more accurate. Jerry and Esther are not the only ones who bring in the Non-Physical there are many more with a similar message. If they were fakes, they would not have been such a huge success SINCE 1985!Obviously, this person has not understood the Abraham teaching at all.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I can't speak for anyone else, but yes, I did consider his wanting to die and go there by way of chemotherapy, in spite of everything he has said for years and at the time. I decided the idea was too stupid for even the most avid Aber to accept. And just for the record, Jerry admitted to being 87, not 84, and some say he was lying about that and was actually 91.You seem to be reality-challenged in your efforts to defend Esther as well as Jerry. Anyone who looks at the balloon photo objectively sees that he is in the gondola, leaning on the rail, not behind it. He would have had to be 7 1/2 feet tall and leaned over the back rail and over the gondola to rest on the next rail.You're kidding, right?

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Has anyone considered that maybe Jerr Hicks WANTED to "die"? To leave his body for the non physical? He was 84 years old and had done a lot, lived a long, successful life, and he was sucessful, and wealth BEFORE he and Esther got into teaching Abraham. Which a lot of people wanted and got something from. Last I knew, Esther is going to continue on ith this. If anyone doesn't like it or believe in it, they have a choice not to give attention to it. Oh, the picture of them all in the hot air balloon going up for a ride, I have heard the story of this and Jerry chose not to go up in it with them. He watched them from the ground below. Maybe he doesn't like heights? Maybe he figured there wasn't much room and let all the younger people go...So, in the picture that says he's hunkered down in one corner and not standing next to Esther, he's not even in the basket, he's standing on the side. Easy to make something negative out of anything, if that's the intention of the person commenting on it. I didn't read the rest of it, so don't know what else was said that might have been twisted in something different to make a point.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Would you say that applies equally to thieves, saints, liars and ballplayers? One of the reasons humanity gathered into communities was for safety and the betterment of all through commerce. We made rules because "live and let live" in its purest form meant that the most aggressive, regardless of anything else, took advantage of freedom at the expense of the gentler. Its appeal vanishes as soon as you think beyond the outer layer.As for Oprah, I have already got on her case for endorsing Esther and Jerry as I have Wayne Dyer, who seems willing to put into a plug for anything Louise Hay throws at him, regardless of the effect on his once sparkling reputation.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I say live and let live. The message/teachings of Abraham is shared by many, not just Esther & Jerry. Are you going to get on Oprah's case too? She relays the same messages.