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Why Esther Hicks Never Answers Questions About Jerry's Death

Updated on March 17, 2015

Esther and Jerry Hicks When Things Were Good

Esther and Jerry Hicks:  photo taken by a fan during an Abraham-Hicks workshop tour.
Esther and Jerry Hicks: photo taken by a fan during an Abraham-Hicks workshop tour.

When Jerry Hicks Died, Where Was Abraham?

On November 18, 2011, according to an email from Esther Hicks five days later, her husband Jerry Hicks died at the age of 84.

Jerry Hicks' death came just six months after he disclosed in an email that he was hospitalized and receiving chemotherapy.

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It seemed likely that Jerry was the actual source of the “eternal wisdom” delivered by a hundred non-living entities that Esther Hicks channeled in the persona of Abraham.


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On the Abraham-Hicks Website, Jerry Hicks Lives On

Three years after Esther Hicks announced his death, the Abraham-Hicks website still portrays Jerry Hicks as being in the best of health.

These two fun loving adventure-seekers are currently breathing in huge lungsful of joy as they figure-eight across the United States in their rock star monster bus....

Really?

You thought Jerry Hicks died, didn't you? You are wrong.

Don't be at all surprised if—as you pass—you get an enthusiastic smile and a wave from two kids wearing goofy red clown noses.

It's just Jerry & Esther Hicks, on their way to more fun and adventure!

It's right there on the website. "Today, the spring in Jerry's step rivals men half his age."

Esther, Jerry and Abraham wouldn't put out false information like that, would they?

And it isn't just the website. Esther continues to sign off her email blasts with a combination of hers, Jerry's and Abraham's names.

Abraham’s Teachings

For those who haven’t been following this saga, the website calls Abraham "a group consciousness from the non-physical dimension." Abraham is the source of “the wisdom that is pouring forth through Esther.” The Hicks prefer not to use the word “channeling,” although in reality it's nothing but.

Abraham’s wisdom, summarized on the website, includes twelve points that insist, in clumsy prose and music reputation, that you can control all of what happens to you. Point five, for example, is “Anything that you can imagine is yours to do or be or have.”

The last two points relate to death and illness:

11. You May Appropriately Depart Your Body Without Illness or Pain.

12. You Can Not Die; You Are Everlasting Life.

So, they claim - Abraham claims, Esther claims, Jerry used to claim - that you can have it all, including eternal life, and you can depart your body without illness or pain.

This may explain why, three years after his death, the website Esther Hicks manages has not been able to acknowledge Jerry Hicks' death.

So who, or where, is Abraham now? Or Jerry?

Officially, What is Abraham?

First, the official story is that Abraham is a group of "nonphysical teachers" who have come together as a group to help us understand the universe and its most powerful force, the Law of Attraction.

They jokingly refer to themselves as dead people and claim to have access to all of the wisdom of the universe. They also claim that they can read your mind and understand your problems before you speak to them.

Esther and Jerry Hicks claimed that Abraham, this group of teachers, chose Esther above all others as the perfect outlet for their teachings because she was more openminded and vulnerable than anyone else and, luckily, married to Jerry, "the questioner of all time."

That's the short version, but you can find a more detailed one on my other articles or just by visiting the Abraham-Hicks website and stepping through the marketing mud long enough to find the free downloads of their story, as told by them.

How Jerry and Esther Hicks Created Abraham

Esther and Jerry Hicks were a dynamic pair for decades.

After Sheila Gillette wrote about the wisdom of a group of archangels named THEO (see The Soul Truth: A Guide to Inner Peace) and Jane Roberts wrote about the wisdom of a nonphysical entity called Seth (Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul), Esther and Jerry, incorporating Jerry's experience as a motivational speaker at Amway, invented Abraham.

The Hicks enjoyed immense success as a resource for spiritual inspiration, following the publicity surrounding the book and movie The Secret.

Riding a “Law of Attraction” wave, they saturated the market with books, card decks, recordings and DVDs. They posted numerous YouTube videos to whet appetites for sales on their marketing-heavy website.

True believers and committed followers will hang onto their beliefs about Jerry, Esther and Abraham, just as advocates of Jane Roberts' Seth material did as she was dying, also of cancer, as long as they can retain a flicker of hope that their magical beliefs might be true.

But now that it is widely known that Jerry Hicks lost his battle with cancer, it's a good time to take a retrospective look at Abraham-Hicks and consider whether the performances can continue.

Jerry’s colorful lifetime has included at least five marriages (he is on record saying that there were too many to count, but at least five) and a successful career at the upper levels in the often investigated and successfully sued Amway Corporation, which was the source of his wealth before he launched the Abraham-Hicks operation.

Jerry Hicks' studies in the areas that later coalesced into the Law of Attraction began long before he met Esther.

He was an avid practitioner of Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich and similar feel-good philosophies. In all likelihood, he used this knowledge in pitching Amway dealerships and motivating his recruits. In later years he never mentioned his Amway experience.

His relationship with Esther began while both were married to other people, but they hit it off immediately.

In the biographical material on the website, without much detail, we glimpse them studying Jane Roberts' Seth books, reading together while Jerry tickles Esther's feet.

Then, for no disclosed reason, they are visiting Sheila Gillette for a reading with the entity she channels (THEO, twelve Archangels who rank higher than Abraham, according to them).

For some other inexplicable reason, Esther and Jerry say that, shortly after this visit, they are confronted by a stranger who informs them that Jane Roberts has died.

Although this branch of the story never develops, it's likely that they were considering setting Esther up as Seth's next channel. Seth, though, is dense and hard to understand.

Esther and Jerry Hicks wisely designed a dumbed-down version, Abraham, that was more accessible, but they borrowed from Sheila Gillette's public channeling act featuring THEO, including, at first, an accent for Abraham’s announcements.

Borrowed Wisdom, Learned Performance

Abraham-Hicks never actually produced a new idea, other than marketing initiatives.

"The Law of Attraction" had been used for years before Esther and Jerry Hicks laid claim to that phrase. When their claim was exposed as false, they took up the clunkier term "Vortex of Attraction," which would have failed as a marketing gimmick, if it was what they started with.

For many years, it seemed likely that Abraham-Hicks was always none other than good old Jerry Hicks. Acting out the part, Esther got into her Abraham persona and parroted what she learned from a well-educated master in the teachings made famous by Napoleon Hill.

The impressive amalgamation of sources that resulted in the books (purported to be written by Abraham), the crowd-pleasing stage performances, and the recordings served many people well.

Recently, however, with Jerry’s increasing age and deteriorating health, the message became more muddled. The organization attracted a more cult-like following, and increasingly turned to exclusion as a way of controlling followers.

Abraham's—Esther's—Teachings About Death and Illness

The organization has never been particularly forgiving of illness or death.

You don't die just because you get old, but because you can't control your thoughts. In February of 1998, Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, said this:

You can live comfortably and joyfully and resiliently and healthfully as long as you have desire that summons life through you. People don't die because they pass through time. They die because they don't allow this arena to stimulate decisions.

For years, Esther Hicks (as Abraham) claimed that her teachings could cure any disease in less than an afternoon. Here is a quote where she gave herself a little more leeway:

But it does take the determination that you're going to put your thoughts upon something that does feel good. And so, here we're going to make a very bold statement: any disease could be healed in a matter of days, any disease, if distraction from it could occur and a different vibration dominate - and the healing time is about how much mix-up there is in all of that. (Workshop #230, Ashland, Oregon, July 20th, 2002)

Esther (Abraham) said that disease will go away given the right attitude.

The very best approach to medicine is, "Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away. (Workshop 106, Ashland, Oregon, May 16, 2000)

She (he) said sickness before death is optional, caused by the sufferer himself or herself.

Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose. (Workshop, Sedona, Arizona, August 27th, 2005)

And death should be easy, even “delightful”! Most insensitively, Esther said this just two weeks after the World Trade Center disaster of September 11, 2001, while the American public was quite aware of the suffering of thousands of blameless victims: pregnant women crushed by collapsing towers, workers jumping to avoid being burned alive, mothers on jetliners with babies in their laps.

[D]eath is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing. (Workshop, Buffalo, New York, September 25, 2001)

In short, illness comes from thoughts, it can be quickly cured by thoughts, death isn't necessary, and if it should happen, it's delightful. An organization that promotes such beliefs could be seriously embarrassed if its leaders experienced illness and death.

Despite the Teachings, Jerry Became Ill

A year and a half before his death in November 2011, and a year before his May 2011 public announcement that he was undergoing chemotherapy, Jerry Hicks was already losing weight. A friend with medical knowledge and connections inside the organization wondered if he might have been undergoing chemo already by this time.

When he said on May 25, 2011 that he had suddenly fallen ill, he indirectly indicated that it had been going on for some time; he said his chemotherapy had started already and he had already lost 15 pounds from his slight frame.

So, it wasn't really so sudden. Fifteen pounds don't melt off overnight.

Jerry Hicks Resorted to "Heavy Chemotherapy"

On May 25, 2011, Jerry Hicks shocked his followers by stating publicly that he was receiving chemotherapy—a treatment associated with cancer.

Although he blamed his illness on a spider bite or a red ant bite, admissions of an "extremely exaggerated" white blood cell count, a biopsy, "heavy chemotherapy" and a week's intense hospital treatments told the story without using the "C" word.

Jerry's Note:

"This is Jerry. First I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your messages both telepathically and emaily of encouragement and good cheer. Next, Abraham and I have discussed the chain of thought that brought this about and I'm satisfied that I'm not going to do that again. Next, here's the scenario as I now see it. On March 12, 2011 we flew from Del Mar to Boca Raton, Fl where we slept next to the dock with many yachts from many different parts of the world in the slip right outside our window. When I awakened the next morning I had a large welt on the inside of my wrist that looked like a giant fire ant bite. The most unusual thing about it was instead of the usual circular puss-like head that comes up from many insect bites it was a strangely cube-like head. It looked more like a spider bite. I put a Band-Aid on it and we continued the Panamanian cruise. It seemed to resolve into itself as time went along forming a pea-shaped nodule on my wrist. On April 18, I showed it to a dermatologist in Del Mar and she immediately decided to scrape it off and sent it in for a biopsy. We continued our seminar tour and returned to San Antonio getting ready for our spring East Coast run when we heard back from the biopsy results that there was something amiss relative to my white blood cell count and she put us in touch with a dermatologist in San Antonio who was an old school friend of hers. The subsequent blood test in San Antonio showed that my white blood cell count was extremely exaggerated and the physician insisted that I undergo immediate treatment with no delay. He pointed out a number of options, one of them was to use the "big guns" (heavy chemotherapy) and so we decided to go along with that and checked into the hospital on May 6th.

We were swept up in such an obvious current of amazing "path of least resistance" events unlike anything we've ever experienced before. The strong feeling that we were proceeding in exactly the right direction continued as my response to these "big guns" was a week of no discomfort and none of the highly forewarned side effects. Everyone around us at the hospital kept speaking their surprise at my unusually comfortable experience. We are now in day 18 of a 28 day regimen of bringing my blood counts back into perfect balance.

Until I gain back 15 pounds of energetic flesh and return to my normal zippy do dah self, Esther will continue the workshops held on Saturdays (we cancelled the mid-week events so Esther and I can play together in San Antonio) and she plans to see many of you this weekend in Stamford, CT. Since this is our 3rd Live Global Broadcast I'll be enjoying the event like so many of you around the world (last time you watched from 76 countries and all 50 states) from the blissful comfort of home on my computer. If you'll be joining me in the cyber audience of the Abraham LIVE broadcast and you haven't registered yet, you can click here.

Love ya,

Jerry (and Esther, too)

P.S. One of the most wonderful things that I've experienced was the following revelation that I had while in the hospital with all of those wonderful people taking care of us: Every person with whom we seemingly have a chance encounter while here upon this planet has the potential of exerting a purely angelic influence upon us if we will but allow it."

The language is clumsy and evasive, repeating "next . . . next" at the start, as if an alibi is being plotted out step by step. The unfortunate Jerry makes passing reference to "a chain of thought having brought this about," presumably "this" being cancer, as this organization has long professed that illness is brought about by thought.

The message concludes with the inevitable sales pitch. Even chemotherapy can't stand in the way.

In spring 2011, coincident with Jerry’s declining health, the Abraham-Hicks organization introduced something called Abraham LIVE, actually remote events like webinars: a convenient innovation if, for example, the flow of revenue-producing events needed to continue while Jerry was having difficulty traveling.

A cheery anonymous writer sent this to the Abraham-Hicks Daily Quotes subscriber list, assuring all that Jerry's physical presence wasn't needed:

Jerry watched the live broadcast in San Antonio this past weekend and was delighted to discover that the feeling of the seminar was very much like being right there in the room. Abraham has been telling us for years that this energy transcends time and space and boy oh boy, do we understand that firsthand now!

. . . and boy oh boy, did they ever add a link to let you sign up for the next one, rocket fast.

People may have been able to believe for a while that a spider bite required chemotherapy, but that improbable storyline was not reinforced. Neither spider bites, leukemia, nor any other particular illness was mentioned by the organization until Jerry’s death in November 2011. Oblique references were made to Jerry’s convalescence, always along with a pitch for the next workshop.

Jerry’s Image Out of Focus, Fogged with Shadow

This photograph accompanied a marketing pitch for an upcoming workshop. Esther and Jerry Hicks together, hoping the image will let followers forget Jerry Hicks’s cancer and keep buying tickets.

Either this is the worst publicity photo ever, or they purposely used a picture in which bright sun would obscure Jerry Hicks' features.

As we found out later, Jerry was dragged out for this photo op only weeks before his death. It appears that he went during this period to South Korea for a series of alternative therapies that failed.

A Late Photo Op: Up, Up, and Away!

The PR people finally took over the Abraham Hicks news release email blasts, smoothing out the presentation. No more discussion of illness; Esther and Jerry had made a mess of it, and the organization was trying to get feel-good messages out.

This photo from a news release (with the inevitable pivot to a sales pitch) is supposed to have a "We're all happy" feel, with all the younger family members gathered with Esther and Jerry Hicks in Del Mar to enjoy a balloon ride.

Look at Jerry Hicks, hunkered down in the back corner, hard to see in detail, like the family homunculus, reaching over the rail to wave, some sort of covering on the right side of his head.

Why wasn't he standing with Esther? Was he sitting? Had he become legless? Was he out of the basket? Was he photoshopped in at the end to enhance the marketing impression?

Reality Intrudes: Announcing the Death of Jerry Hicks

On November 23, 2011, in a surprisingly direct email, Esther Hicks announced to followers that Jerry Hicks had died five days earlier, on November 18: “Our sweet Jerry made his transition into Nonphysical last Friday.” The announcement did not include an obituary, though it included a great deal about Esther’s own thoughts and plans. Nor did it include answers to the many questions that were asked about Jerry’s illness and whether it was dealt with in a way consistent with the teachings of Abraham.

One question followers had was why Jerry would have chosen conventional medicine, rather than the approach Esther has advocated (through Abraham) for years. Their cheerful rationale at the time was that they were following "the path of least resistance," which jelled with some of their early teachings. But chemotherapy is harsh and physically demanding; how could that be easier than the two hours in "suspension," or the at worst "a few days" that Abraham, by way of Esther, said would easily be enough to get rid of illness?

The question is, why didn't Jerry just take a quick Abrahamic cure instead of running to conventional medicine and, finally, alternative therapies that may have led them all the way to South Korea at the end?

According to Esther, all he would have needed to do was change his vibration. Esther also said Jerry was the best person in the world at keeping his vibration in control.

But he died, anyway. And what does "vibration" mean in the first place, and if you can't define it (just try), how can you change it?

The couple’s turn to conventional medicine strongly suggested not only that some of the basic teachings of Abraham about health and death were dangerous nonsense, but that the couple knew they were nonsense. When it came to real danger, Esther and Jerry Hicks tossed aside the Teachings of Abraham and chose conventional medicine, just as any sensible person would.

Given the Hicks’ views on medicine—that illness comes because you wish it on yourself—and the centrality of these views to the teachings they espoused, the couple must have been very reluctant to begin conventional therapy. Maybe they tried the easy cures described in the teachings of Abraham, and found them useless.

Nevertheless, if they could have been brave enough to explain clearly what was going on, it would have been a great help to their followers, many of whom trust the Abraham-Hicks teachings to get themselves through illness and other rough spots in life.

Why were they so evasive and, in some instances, simply dishonest about what was going on? If they were going to make a public issue of his illness, as they did in several email blasts, why be so sparing with the truth and allow themselves to seem disingenuous? What was Esther's excuse for turning every update into a sales spin for products and workshops? And then cancelling the workshops without notice or explanation?

When it was clear to everyone who looked at the situation objectively that Jerry was dying, why did they jam him into a gondola full of grinning younger relatives in a desperate PR effort?

This evasion was insensitive and unfair to other cancer sufferers, and to the many followers who had routinely been told by Esther and Jerry Hicks' creation, Abraham, that they give themselves cancer.

Esther Hicks's many rude and callous comments about "croaking" and how good it is when "the old ones go" come to mind.

Jerry Intermittently Reappeared, Speaking Through Esther

In a workshop in early December 2011, Esther did what some had predicted would happen; she attributed some of her spoken wisdom to Jerry, or as people might say, she “channeled” him. After a joke she made, she said, “That was Jerry.” As she did after an audience member observed that a digital clock had stuck at 5:55, one of the numbers that Jerry had said were messages from the spirit world (see the last couple minutes of the video below).

While this channeling offered some sort of resolution concerning whether or where Jerry had gone, it tended to confuse the whole concept of Abraham, which had always been a creation blended from many alleged no-longer-physical beings, without any distinct individual voice. It got complicated. Where the organization’s email for ticket sales were formerly signed off, “Love, Esther and Jerry,” the closing now read, “Our Love, Esther, Abraham/Jerry and our Abraham-Hicks traveling team.”

After introducing the newly non-physical Jerry Hicks in that workshop as a wisecracking associate of "Abraham," Esther reacted to the hail of criticism by leaving him out of the next workshop.

Esther Hicks in Her Own Words on Jerry's Death

Abraham Without Jerry: Less Kindness, More Bad Advice

As Jerry became sicker, Abraham changed; he often said mean things to the most vulnerable seekers who'd paid large ticket prices to see Esther perform her Abraham routine.

Since Jerry’s death, Abraham’s personality has continued to evolve away from empathy and gentleness. Judging from recent workshops, coldness, pettiness, and stupidity are an essential part of his makeup. In an early 2012 workshop, Abraham focused his wisdom on a parking lot collision between a Mustang and Esther’s Cadillac Escalade, discussing insights about driving provided by Esther’s hairdresser.

At another recent workshop, asked by a mother in the hot seat about dealing with her young child who refused to share toys, the wise, all-knowing Esther (as Abraham) told her that her child was in "alignment," enjoying his toys "like Jesus not freaking out about the toylessness of his friends."

Which coldhearted Jesus was that?

Farther along in the conversation, Esther responded to the same mother's worries about her son's habit of kicking their cat. She instructed the mother not to interfere with the abuse of a helpless, trapped animal because the cat was "teaching" her son.

Maybe to become the next Ted Bundy.

One of the failings of Esther and Jerry Hicks’s imaginary Abraham is that "they" don't understand that acts of all kinds require moral judgment (stopping animal abuse, as opposed to standing by and watching passively).

Noninterference is a kind of cheating that masks selfishness. Esther and Jerry have suggested that honoring our crudest impulses is natural, even though years of evolution have trained us to act proactively in the best interests of all.

This is the sickness of narcissism in full bloom. And animal abuse, for those who don't know, has long been recognized as an early warning signal for violent crime in adults.

In any case, anyone who saw this workshop, live or on video, has a moral obligation to contact the ASPCA. Now.

Get that cat out of the house before the kid, guided by Abraham Hicks, seriously injures or kills it.

Even at an organization that specializes in weirdness, this piece of "wisdom" stood out.

Esther Hicks Now Speaks for God, Jesus, Buddha, and Seth

As she wrapped up the San Diego workshop in January 2012, Esther included an ominous statement:

We would like to speak on behalf of Seth and God and Jesus and Buddha and all that have come before, and take it one step further into clarity and say that all of us from non-physical are having this moment.

She'd wandered close to cultism before, but this was the first time in the history of her channeling that she claimed to speak for "God and Jesus and Buddha."

She'd once claimed to be their equal, but this seemed to be a nod toward a whole new direction.

Or, knowing Esther was never the sharpest tool in the Abraham Hicks shed, maybe it was just a stupid bit of narcissistic rambling.

Abraham-Hicks Survived Jerry Hicks

Esther's efforts to resurrect Jerry shortly after his death by claiming to channel him along with Abraham at her workshops didn't help her credibility. Nor did her claims to represent various gods from other cultures, or Abraham’s rambling, petty, mean-spirited advice. But the workshops continue—30 or so a year—the videos continue to be made, and presumably the money rolls in.

The death of Abraham-Hicks is inevitable, because the death-defying collection of entities Jerry and Esther made up was always a fiction. To my surprise, Abraham-Hicks survived Jerry’s death. Possibly there are even hangers-on or support staff in the organization now who could carry on the show after Esther becomes non-physical.

Jerry's role in the organization, colossal as it was, seems to have been filled for the time being. But Jerry himself, in spite of his hopes, does seem—at least to those of us with any reasonable amount of skepticism—to have passed on.

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Are You Now or Have You Ever Been A Follower of Abraham-Hicks?

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      David Stone 8 weeks ago from New York City

      Show me where she explains why he did not follow Abraham's specific advice and be cured. And please don't take the tactic that we can't know what as in his heart. We know. He was completely open about it and only went silent when it became clear that treatments weren't working. Then, he shut up. Show me how his fight to survive squares up with her oft-repeated claim that "Every death is a suicide" and that "It's always good to see the old ones go." You can produce and edited video that shows what you want it to show. That's theatre. Since I was there, watching closely, from before Jerry admitted being sick and until after he died and because I know some of their close friends well, I know that they lied repeatedly and worked to manufacture a marketable presence. YouTube videos are just commercials. Why do you think they threatened to sue anyone who posted a real live video, errors included?

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      David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      Why are people like you always comparing Abraham-Hicks to the Bible? There is not connection. They are completely different things.

      "What is wrong with teaching people to live with positive thoughts rather than negative thoughts?" You're missing the point. That s not what Abraham teaches. Positive psychology is a whole other thing.

      "There are scientific studies where people have cured themselves of illnesses with just the power of their mind." No there is not. It's a common misconception that such studies were ever done. There are personal stories and individual observations, but no studies have ever proven tha people can cure themselves with their minds. Sorry to burst your bubble.

      "As to why Jerry Hicks chose "chemotherapy": whose to say he wasn't led to that by Abraham?" Jerry did. He was sent by a physician.

      "Or perhaps when his own mortality became apparent, he went "conventional"? If he had negated that option, would you be calling him a fool for that?" I never called Jerry Hicks a fool for anything, and if you actually read the details, he went conventional, as you say, at a time when he was very optimistic of recovery.

      "I also find it odd that you are so anti-Abraham, but there are links on your page to other "metaphysical" sources. How do we know: Whose truth is the true truth for the billions of people on this planet?" Again, you are reading things that are not there.

      "Am also laughing at the judgmental comments from the good little Christians on this page (again, hypocrisy)." How is it hypocrisy for them to comment on their honest beliefs? And what about your snickering at them as if you're superior? What's that?

      "Ultimately, I believe that we must find our own "truth". If you want to give your money to the church, Abraham, the little fairies in the garden, etc... go right ahead." Well, you say that while being snarky toward those who do? Who's a hypocrite now?

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      PJ 3 months ago

      Why such vehemence? Perhaps because their teachings are not yours?

      While I am not an Abraham follower, I don't believe their teachings are any more detrimental than those of the bible. However, the church has been fleecing people for thousands of years, and continues to do so. If you want to discuss "hypocrisy" check out the bible.

      What is wrong with teaching people to live with positive thoughts rather than negative thoughts? There are scientific studies where people have cured themselves of illnesses with just the power of their mind. Is it God, is it the "Universe" who knows?

      As to why Jerry Hicks chose "chemotherapy": whose to say he wasn't led to that by Abraham? Or perhaps when his own mortality became apparent, he went "conventional"? If he had negated that option, would you be calling him a fool for that?

      I also find it odd that you are so anti-Abraham, but there are links on your page to other "metaphysical" sources. How do we know: Whose truth is the true truth for the billions of people on this planet? Can YOU guarantee that your truth is the "true truth"? Maybe for YOU, but not for all.

      Am also laughing at the judgmental comments from the good little Christians on this page (again, hypocrisy).

      Ultimately, I believe that we must find our own "truth". If you want to give your money to the church, Abraham, the little fairies in the garden, etc... go right ahead.

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      David Stone 4 months ago from New York City

      Oh, dear, Joe! You've got a problem or you wouldn't overreact with such vehemence. Settle down. Christianity has nothing to do with it. Either you're comfortable with what Jerry and Esther did, or you're, like me, not. That is not a commentary on the principles of the "law of attraction," a term first used about a century ago, although the ideas were probably around before that. The thing is, the Hicks's made their own brew of it and kept adding to the sauce, taking the ideas to some strange and, for me, unreconcilable places. They get a lot of credit for spreading the word, and they deserve it. But they took it too far in trying to ring every bit of cash possible out of it.

      I hope the message eventually leaves you feeling less threatened and able to think objectively. The "law of attraction'" does not need Jerry or Esther to make it true anymore than the law of gravity required Galileo or Einstein.

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      David Stone 10 months ago from New York City

      Thanks for your observations.

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      Pelepua 11 months ago

      A friend of mine invited me to an "Abraham-Hicks" workshop which I attended today. I had never heard of Abraham-Hicks. I did a little research, felt uncertain, but went anyway. I have to say, about 30 minutes into the program, I felt something was very wrong. I found the approach and conveyance of information very disingenuous., crass and calloused. I think the most important thing to note is that "The Law of Attraction" is one of a number of spiritual laws. These laws work together, they are not mutually exclusive. One must be in balance with chakras, energy as well as the spiritual laws to achieve what "Abraham-Hicks" suggests. You do not need to buy "Abraham-Hicks" books, DVD's, subscriptions or the like to achieve or succeed with the law of attraction, just ask. Ask God, The Universe, The Source, whatever you would like to call the energy I refer to as love and light as well as archangels, angels, Ascended Masters and guides for help and guidance to achieve balance. Study and learn how to create, physical, spiritual & emotional balance. Purely spiritual beings would never address someone in need, someone who's confused or misguided in such a disrespectful manner. Communication is always positive and encouraging. Look within for answers and don't be afraid to ask for help.

      I would like to note that the word "cult," based on my observations, is appropriate. In the article Esther is described as "open-minded" and "vulnerable." In my personal opinion, I would also refer to the participants of the workshop as "open-minded" and "vulnerable."

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      beginnersmind 12 months ago

      Sonny, not being gullible is not synonymous with not being able to listen and talking too much. If you want to believe this nonsense, then by all means, knock yourself out, but don't expect others to. Nice try though with the tactic of ad hominem rather than actually addressing what has been said. Though that is rather typical of people who are trying to protect their beliefs.

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      sonny 13 months ago

      Listen more than you talk. Nobody learned anything by hearing themselves speak.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZqFk_aMNx4&in...

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      beginnersmind 16 months ago

      It's good that there are articles such as this, to bring a voice of discernment to these claims of channeling some higher beings. Pop spirituality seems to be the hot commodity for people with 1st world problems. Having read my share of Abraham-Hicks years ago, I don't even think I can classify this as spirituality, but greed wrapped in "spiritual ideas".

      It's not like the Hicks' ideas are new anyway. They basically took most of them from authors such as Robert Collier, Charles F. Haanel, Napoleon Hill, etc. and just threw in "higher beings" to give an authoritative flavor.

      I don't doubt the power of the mind and that it can greatly influence our health, environment, and lives, but when these truths are extrapolated into magical fantasies with our own personal "genie in a bottle", one must begin to call BS. The ones really benefiting from LOA are the ones convincing the gullible and desperate that this type of LOA is true and then selling these people all their merchandise.

      IMO, LOA as taught by the Hicks is rather egocentric and to blame and explain away disasters, illnesses, tragic events simply on one's vibration, either individually or collectively is immature at best, and actually rather irresponsible and heartless.

      It is very easy for someone who has all their basic needs met and then some, to say that one's poverty or a country's poverty is simply a result of their vibration, without taking into account such variables such as social stratification, cannibalistic capitalism, and exploitation- either through labor or resources. Not only is this spiritually immature, it is socially irresponsible.

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      surfah 17 months ago

      to me, the proof is in the pudding. Their books were fun but they took from others--nothing was new-just re-packaged. When Esther always said chemo was not the best option and then they ran to it, saying it was an ant/spider bite (could have been an actual cancerous skin eruption from leukemia?)...Then he dies and she started 'channeling' JERRY--that told me its all FAKE, for the money and she is leading her followers down the proverbial money laden path. Get real.

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      David Stone 17 months ago from New York City

      Sorry, everyone who writes something you don't like doesn't have an axe to grind. Maybe some are just interested in writing the truth about what they see or think both sides of a story, not just the sales side, should be considered. I hope balance isn't a problem for you.

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      Fasi 17 months ago

      Wow, you seem to have an axe to grind.

      Let it go...

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      David Stone 19 months ago from New York City

      You make some aggressively good points, RainbowKittens. All I can add is that the Abraham-Hicks Cult, like many religions, is founded on hatred toward the world, the real one that requires work, thinking and is not sprinkled with fairy dust.

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      David Stone 19 months ago from New York City

      Avie, lashing out an name-calling aren't really defenses, are they? Just for the record, I read all of the books available at the time I wrote this, and I have good friends who worked closely with Esther and Jerry. I also listened to many hours of podcasts of their "workshops." I was also one of the earliest members of the Abe Forum. I hope it doesn't disappoint you terribly that someone who may have just as much exposure, and probably more, as you sees things differently than you do.

      This makes you angry for some reason. Generally, when someone starts spitting, fuming and hurling accusations, it's because some doubt in themselves has been stirred. That's good. Unless you are aware of both sides of any issue, you can never be sure of yourself. Looking deeper is a better response than anger. It's no problem for me. I've been attacked by Abers for years, usually with the same all emotion, no argument style. But my advice to you is, check your anger at the door and see if your confidence is based on reality or wishful thinking. You might save yourself some trouble and years of wasted pursuit of the "law of attraction."

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      RainbowKittens 19 months ago

      Esther says of her current relationship with her dead hubby, Its better than ever. Hmmm, well Jerry must have been doing it wrong then. Or shes violently slandering him and doing the most awful for profit backstabbing I've ever seen.

      First an admission, I believe in and have experienced what I believe is LOA. Secondly, an admission, I think Esther Hicks and her "skilled inspiration", Abraham (her sites words) are like cockroaches hiding behind and contaminating some beautiful spirituality. Any use anyone gets from "LOA" is in SPITE of Esther and Abraham, not because of it.

      Take this for example, stolen and contaminated antibiotics may still work, but it nothing like the read deal, and it may have terrible side effects, like this cult of delusion Esther Hicks is selling.

      If you are a dishonest person, it must be your dream to have an product, when it doesn't work, you just claim, You must be doing it wrong, and because the product is delusion, then its obvious if you perceive something off, you are simply not pleasurably deluded enough.

      Imagine for a moment this, that delusion is her opinion of being pleased within this world.

      Esther advocates delusion, because she is a non believer.

      Delusion is the opposite of real love. Esther has soothed her sheeple to sleep, and once asleep she whispers, Delusion is The Way, Do not wake up, no matter what you see.

      Imagine this for a moment, that seeing through delusion, that being principled, honest, genuinely giving to others, is not a "PAIN" to anyone but the criminal. Which is why Esther says, lying is just a way to feel better. Because she empathizes with the dishonest. She lies and says everything is simply a path to feeling better. Then what of people who choose to harm, or help? Are they equal? Only a criminal would insist so. And only a criminal would not understand that there is pleasure in sacrificing for others, in upholding standards of honesty and integrity.

      This is why its okay to "merge" with "Jerry" and play, for profit, what would Jerry say. Because delusion is the only pleasure you can find in a world that you actually hate. So, is Jerry just sensations Esther feels or imagines, or a real being, with a real spirit? Is the pleasurable delusion of playing, "what would Jerry say?", equal or better than having his physical body around?

      And is Esther doing a skilled inspiration of Jerry, or actually channeling him? Shes never claimed to channel anyone ever. So this means Jerry is a skilled inspiration much like Abraham.

      This disgusts me. So, how about a joke to lighten up the mood?

      What goes baddabumpKATCHING?

      The sound Esther in the Monster Bus running over Jerrys body and cashing in on his ghost.

      If anyone finds this offensive, remember what Esther says when an old person dies, "its good to see the old ones go" and "croaked" and "there is no death" Its all just a fat joke, and all death is suicide right? And suicide is just catching up and getting all your stuff, right?

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      Avie 19 months ago

      Wow! What a shallow, petty, small-minded individual YOU are!! I dont know anything about Abraham Hicks but i DO know a bitter,mean-spirited person when I see one! Do us all a favor,dude, and switch to decaf before you begin another diatribe on YOUR version of the truth. From the sound of all the comments, you dont strike me as a big supporter of the first amendment OR Voltaire. Good luck to you.

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      Yes, people are quite capable of making their own choices, which is why it's good that they have a chance to consider all points of view. That's how we chose presidents, decide what movies to which and what foods we eat.

      Yet, you say, "who cares what they claim or don't claim," as if integrity and honesty are of no consequence.

      I understand that it's not easy to be shown that your most cherished beliefs may be based on flimflam, but if your beliefs have a solid foundation, they will survive any storm anyway.

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      lin8t 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I'm not sure I understood the point of this article. If a person doesn't like something then tune out. People are quite capable of making their own choices. At the end of the day everyone is human, who cares what they claim or don't claim. The only important thing is what you choose to do with your own life.

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      You're claim that we can't know anything that exists doesn't hold water. We know a lot. The Abraham-Hicks philosophy, if it actually qualifies as something that coherent, is in fact filled with claimed facts, some hilariously inaccurate. These stand cheek by jowl with claims that we make it all up, equally hilarious, as long as you don't fall for it and start alienating friends and family with the nonsense as many have done.

      Let's take an example. Esther has claimed that human's did not descend from apes, via evolution, but that humans were a whole different idea. We know from a very well populated and carefully document tree that what she says simply isn't so. She also claims that people were alive in the time of the dinosaurs. The fossil record proves she's off by millions of years. You see, it's not that she denies there are facts. She's just careless, from lack of education, in knowing what they are.

      I don't know why you put "speak the truth" in quotations. You weren't quoting me. What I share are my opinions, based on objective observation, personal experience and education. Maybe not truth with a capital T, but honest and genuine.

      By the way, I was and am a hippie. And as far as your claim that I "rail against them so," haven't you heard of having a different opinion? Everyone who disagrees with Esther Hicks' claims isn't railing against her. Balance is a good thing. And as far as judgment goes, that's a red herring. All of us judge all the time - who to make friends with, what jobs to do, what to have for lunch. It's a big part of what makes us human. We reason. We decide. That's judgment.

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      acb 2 years ago

      Also, they NEVER claimed to adhere to the "truth" but just the opposite...the promoted ignoring reality if it doesn't suit you. Sure, sticking your head it the sand can be as much a form of resistance as swimming upstream but that is for us to figure out...to get to that point of honesty with ourselves. I love the theatricality of it, the charlitanism of it...THAT"S THE POINT! On top of this, the clincher is that what they promote is that DYING IS AWESOME! So arguably, Jerry n Esther, not being Abraham, may have had some difficulties with it. Ha, so fun!

      Creating communicable teachings is infamously difficult, if not impossible to do. But in my experience, (philosophy and religious studies) the way the Hicks folks lead us to water is pretty effective and for sure fun...i might even make some of the more bitter wells like death sweet or at least palatable.

      You can say that you are a writer and that as a writer you feel you need to "speak the truth" but does that need to be the aim of everyone then? And even if one were to allow that that is the underlying aim of all writers (which I am sure there are many that would not!) does the way one aims to do that have to be uniform? More importantly the idea of the "truth" is NOT a done deal. How foolish to be arguing it as something that definitely exists moreover is something you have a grasp of...this is fun! I love arguing! :D Dood, I get as sick of the hippie dippie BS as much as the next...New Yorker...but I also know that the most I can know is that I know nothing and any "judgment" I feel justified in making is a red flag, hopefully found suspect, and subsequently called in for questioning. So, what is your deal? Why do you rail against them so?

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      @carriedale: carriedale, your claim that there is no objective truth is one of the dumbest I've ever heard. Such emptiheadedness explains how you manage to be an Abraham-Hicks follower.

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      carriedale 2 years ago

      Truth is what we decide it is. If you think Abe-Hicks is the truth, then so it is! If you don't, then you will find your proof. So does it feel better and more truthful to believe what they teach, or not? If not, then I would suggest finding someone who does line up more with what you feel is your version of the truth, rather than going out on a limb to convince others of your truth. And, in practicing what I preach, I am totally cool with either you believing they are the real deal, or not. I only want for everyone to follow their truth, feel good and enjoy life.

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      angelofabundance 2 years ago

      I have listened to many channeled recordings of Abraham. I like the series on LOA. I am a firm believer in LOA even before Mr. Hicks. I have never read his work I have to admit but I have read about him. I am of the opinion that when anyone is well known in the public eye that there will always be negative commentary , speculation and judgments.What ever the real "story" is , we are only getting one side and hearing one side. I feel that in our human bodies we make mistakes misinterpret and form our opinions based on our experiences in our life.I choose not to make any judgement even though as a human I do wonder what the reality is, but that is my human brain. I feel that we are ALL here to learn and grow and we all make choices that do not always turn out to be good, but that's how we grow. So i have not formed an opinion about the inconsistencies or what they teach or their message. I my self am a medium and we are never 100% accurate.But I have to say Some people need to hear teachings any times before they get it. for you and I we get what we need and we are done. Thanks for the thought provoking lens!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @catamaran6: I have no idea what loopy idea "step four" is, but Esther's rationalizations about Jerry's death were all after the fact. Before and during his illness, they both claimed he was not resisting anything, but was on the path of least resistance, in fact. Jerry even claimed in an email blast that he'd recorded a session with Abraham that highlighted whatever it was he did that caused him to be ill (The still weren't 'fessing up to cancer yet.) and he "would never do that again." Jerry tried every treatment available, including a reported (then denied) trip to South Korea for experimental therapy during which he died. If he was willing to go through all that, even declaring his intention to get well and back on stage, why didn't he just take an Abraham cure and be well within "a few days?" The Abraham-Hicks crowd, which on their website still claims Jerry is alive, never answered that question. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.PS: Jane Roberts was a chain smoker who died of lung cancer, not some vibration. Her writings are a lot more credible than Esther's lazy, dumbed down spirituality.

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      catamaran6 3 years ago

      I'll try that one. Abe has used both "croaked" and "transitioned" forever. They usually use croak when they're talking about the future but if someone is in the hotseat who has suffered a loss, they say transition. Esther has been amazingly candid about why Jerry's vibration wasn't in the right place to heal. His resistance might be part of what your blog points to. Abe talks often about how Esther hears this stuff but can't always apply it. It's one thing to channel, or listen to this info. Following successfully takes mastery. Possibly the greatest channel ever, Jane Roberts died tragically young, and Seth said the same thing. Abe has also said you can live forever, but it's not the point. Jerry was wayyyy up there - I believe he was well over 20 years her senior, and she's close to 70. His transition seemed to have taught Esther much and she has never been more in her personal alignment with step four.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @spiritrhythms: So, then, can you - in your wisdom and with your great experience - explain why Jerry "transitioned" but everyone else "croaked." "Abraham" used to get a crude chuckle, bragging about being "so disrespectful" when others' loved ones died. She even said, "It's good to see the old ones go." How come all that stopped when it was Esther's loved one.And why on earth would anyone need a "'bridge' to prove the spirit is eternal" when they already had Abraham? And if Jesus already did it, as you claim, why would a nobody special like Jerry need to do it again? Why not just croak like everyone else?This is cultish hogwash.

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      spiritrhythms 3 years ago

      If one has been following the workshops; Jerry became a transition or "bridge" to prove the spirit is eternal (as Jesus did) and he is now a part of the Abraham Spirit Guide Group channeled by Esther. Spirit is an extension of God, and God has "not" stopped talking to us. :)

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @bev2010: Oh, boy, you picked a team there. First, Louise Hay is a publisher. Her business is selling books, including some really questionable authors like Gary Renard.If you're paying attention at all, you'll notice that Wayne Dyer is a good soldier who endorses everything, including Gary Renard, he is asked to by Hay House. He has hurt his own credibility this way, but it still sells books, which is what the game is about.Neale Donald Walsch? Are you kidding? Not only was he caught plagiarizing the work of another, less known writer (He said he must have somehow unconsciously absorbed the work which he reproduced almost exactly and claimed as his own.), his most popular work, Conversations with God, is no more than a rehash of other people's research which Walsch claims God himself delivered to him in private conversations. Like "spiritual guru" Esther Hicks, Walsch has never come up with a single original idea I am aware of. It's all reprocessed for sale and pitched, much like the Hicks' work, as privileged information from a divine source. which it certainly is not. By the way, you could make a much longer list of respectable spiritual leaders who wouldn't touch Esther Hicks with a ten foot pole, let alone recommend her.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @bev2010: bev2010, who asked?

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      bev2010 3 years ago

      If it was a scam it wouldn't be recommended by the main spiritual gurus such as Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer and Neale Donald Walsch!

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      bev2010 3 years ago

      I think you should concentrate on your own life and have compassion for others.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @andynash100: Sorry to disappoint you, Andy, but as a matter of fact, I'd bet you good money I've listened to and read more of Abraham-Hicks books and workshops than you have. And the quote you claim was "modified" is the full version of an A-H daily quote mass e-mailed many times to followers. And I'll go you one better. I have good friends who knew Jerry and Esther personally, travelled with them on their old Monster bus and dined with them. I have plenty of anecdotes I haven't shared. One person wanted to me to write a book about them. My expertise on them, from a lot of exposure and off-line experiences is extensive. So, you needn't worry about my not having "taken the time to even start to understand," comforting though it may be for you to hide behind that hopeful untruth. Our disagreeing on what we take out of our exposure to Esther and Jerry shouldn't be misconstrued as a lack of understanding.And Abraham does claim proper manipulation of the "law of attraction" does turn you into a superhuman "megabeing" or does "You create your own reality" mean something other than what it clearly says? A lot of Abe followers have tried to back off Esther's more extreme claims since Jerry died or made the startling claim that what's clearly in black and white is being misinterpreted. That helps Esther by letting her off the hook, freeing her from ever explaining the lies about Jerry's illness and why her cures never did him any good.Here's a tip for you though. Jerry never practiced any of the Abraham methods, like focus wheels and so on, and Esther didn't do a lot them either. Guess why.

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      andynash100 3 years ago

      Ok, the article seems to be written by someone who is well-intentioned in pursuing his version the truth, but has totally misunderstood Abraham-Hicks's version of law of attraction. He claims Jerry and Esther once said they could heal any disease in an afternoon, but doesn't back that up with any references to where they actually said that, only an ambiguous, modified version of something that was said subesquently.Fact is, nobody claims law of attraction turns anyone into some superhuman megabeing resistant to absolutely everything at the snap of a finger. Law of attraction is good and helpful for some people, but there are other people who won't relate to it at all. If you don't relate to it, and it's not your thing, then that's cool. But the author of the article displays a lot of vitriol criticizing something that he clearly hasn't taken the time to even start to understand. Sometimes it can be quite emotionally rewarding to write a vitriolic article blasting some terrible perceived scam out of the water, and I feel this article is more about the author than it is about Esther and Jerry Hicks.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @sjeromes: Is it a gift or a curse to reinforce your magical beliefs by ignoring facts and grasping as theoretical straws? Give yourself a little time to gain perspective, then come on back and let us know what your experience teaches you.First, you're arguing against Esther and Jerry, not me. I agree. By 84, your body is likely to start breaking down in serious ways. Jerry's did. What happened, though, contradicted everything Esther and Jerry had been pitching for years. The quotes are posted above, if you care to read them. (You probably don't because you have a problem with facts.Jerry admitted he was hospitalized and receiving chemotherapy, having lied about his condition just a few days before, but he scrambled to misrepresent his condition as being caused by a spider bite or a high white blood cell count. Never mentioned cancer and neither did Esther until he died, and the reason is obvious. They could not square the facts with what they'd been teaching, so they ignored the facts.Contrary to you claim, early on, Jerry said he was sailing through chemo, amazing all the medical staff as his lack of adverse symptoms. He later went on to claim that he'd had a conversation with "Abraham" -- we know who that is, right? Abraham, he said helped him pinpoint the cause of his illness. Jerry said, without details, that he was never going to do that again. As time passed, he and Esther claimed to be "playing" together on weekends. They even staged a balloon ride in which they tried to show Jerry out having a good time. Of course, all this was twisted to sales pitches, but what isn't with them? Even the daily quotes they email now have pitches for what they call workshops.Finally, "Abraham," through Esther, always said it was supposed to be easy. Now, you say it isn't. Hm? Jerry cuddled up next to Abraham every night. Why didn't all those easy cures work for him, for as Esther claims "any illness." By the way, Jerry reinforced the teachings by saying he would not die of a disease, but would chose his own fantastic method. He fantasized about jumping out a window because, according to Abraham, neither illness nor aging were necessary, so why do either?Finally, your concern for "that weak part" of me is touching. But I already know what it is. I'm a writer by profession. When you write, I believe, you have a moral obligation to be as truthful as you can. Playing safe by ignoring the facts or their implications isn't okay. Integrity's my weakness. I hope you understand.

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      sjeromes 3 years ago

      You are wrong! If anything Hicks death does more to prove Abrahams teachings than it disproves them. You have an 84 year old man fighting cancer and most likely in tremendous PAIN!!! That in it self would make it difficult enough for anyone to concentrate enough to obtain a healing. Add to the fact that at his age there might have been a part of him that just wanted to move on? That too would have prevented a healing. You made the assumption that he was somehow superhuman because of his beliefs but that's not the case. Even Jesus died my friend. We all have it in us to obtain whatever we want in this life but we still have to deal with our human weaknesses. If this stuff were easy after all everyone would be in perfect health and win the lottery. Now maybe its time for you to look in yourself and find out what that weak part of you is that makes it necessary for you to write stuff like this?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @eileenwright: Thank you for commenting, Eileen.

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      eileenwright 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: I agree with you! And to be honest, I didn't research them when I started reading a couple of their books. But that was because what I read was very much in line with what I had read from other authors, ones I do trust, such as Venice Bloodworth, Joseph Murphy, Ernest Holmes, Charles and Myrtle Fillmore and others. The Hicks explained the Law of Attraction in a way that helped me to understand it more clearly.I'm very glad I found your site. II didn't know Jerry Hicks had passed until I heard a very recent interview of Esther by Wayne Dyer. So I googled Jerry and found you!And I will say, as one of your readers did, there are things about them that never sat well with me (like Esther's accent change when Abraham first comes in and then tends to disappear as the seminar progresses) So for me, the jury is still out. Reading your articles, I would tend to agree with you that they were/are very slick marketers. And of course I had no idea about their previous infidelities.But do I think channeling is a fantasy? Well, I think of Edgar Cayce. I do know there were accusations of fraud made against him but that there were some pretty amazing healings based on his suggestions. And if memory serves, he was not a well-educated man and yet he could give detailed medical advice after being spot-on with his diagnosis. And he was accused of saying some pretty crazy stuff too.If Abraham is a total scam, i'm happy I only spent a few dollars on two of their books. And if I had spent more, then I am the only one to blame because I didn't do my research. And yes, I agree that everyone should only spend money on a credible teacher...wish Venice Bloodworth were still with us. But I still say, it's up to the individual to make an informed decision. But do appreciate very much your point of view!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @eileenwright: Well, okay, but if you're going to spend your cash on a teacher, why not a credible one that doesn't have a history of nutty, inaccurate claims?

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      eileenwright 3 years ago

      I don't know whether Abraham-Hicks is a scam or not. Maybe it is. But even if they were only regurgitating Napoleon Hill and other "feel-good" spiritual leaders, there is still truth in the message. There are just too many sources of the same message spread out over centuries from all over the world to believe that the Law of Attraction and related spiritual principles is a fantasy made up by desperate humans looking for relief from the pain in their lives. All one has to do is take a look at quantum physics to understand there is WAY more going on than meets the eye! And I have had experiences that I guess a skeptic would chalk up to being just coincidences, but I believe them to be more than that. When you look at Nature, at everything, it is so difficult to believe that whatever Force that is, it is also present in us? So-called spontaneous healing, telepathic communication (most of us have had the experience of thinking of someone and "coincidentally" the phone rings and there they are!), an internal "nudge: that we should or should not do something (which later turned out to be a good thing like someone feeling they shouldn't get on a plane and it later crashes),...all of this points to something much much bigger than we can perceive.The Hicks' are/were spiritual beings having a human experience. And maybe in their humanness, creating a character known as Abraham to communicate their beliefs was what they did. And maybe they feel that the end (helping people) justifies the means. Only they know for sure. And if their motives were not at all altruistic and they were/are laughing all the way to the bank, I do believe that what goes around, comes around. Nothing vengeful about this principle, it just is what it is. But the bottom line is everyone has a choice as to how they want to spend their money and if there are those who choose to go see Abraham, that is their right. But it is wise to remember Caveat Emptor!

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      dave97 3 years ago

      Lol many opportunists,so little time.Dr. Hulga Clark was a renowned alternative medicine guru who claimed to have many cures for cancer.UNFORTUNATELY THEY JUST DIDN`T WORK ON HER.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ronalds4percent: So, there you go, buddy. You made your way through three comment sections without once responding to the subject, only to the comments. The Abraham-Hicks advocates retain their perfect record for evasion.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ronalds4percent: If you were here on Earth with the rest of us, you'd be more aware that telling people the "life is like movie" shows contempt for the way they live their lives, your level of awareness being so superior. Life isn't like a movie. You seem to forget that we participate in ours. Only advocates of such gobbledygook as "ego concepts" see it as anything so shallow as "play." Life's an investment, not entertainment. "Thanks life, for having me...?" Oh, brother, where do you guys get this stuff? Oh, wait, I know. From Hay House writers who specialize in facile solutions that succeed the nonsense advocated last year by Hay House writers.

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      ronalds4percent 3 years ago

      @sharka69: We all do the best we can, at any given moment in time. This goes for EVERY-BODY, no exceptions. Understanding this 'truth' will not eliminate the 'reflex' to judge, but it could make your life experience a lot more enjoyable. Sharka69 has clearly reached this level of awareness, where the 'ego concepts' probably are still there, but one isn't as much attached to them anymore, compared to most, conditioned, people. Life is like a movie, where you're both watching and playing at the same time - it's just a question of: how much of the time (if any) are you aware of the part you're playing? (and what's outside that movie? Although, this might not even be a 'valid' question, but more like the ego in action, searching for one more concept for its collection :-)Thanks life, for having me

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      ronalds4percent 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: DaveStone13 - Yawn, yawn, yawn...

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      sharka69 3 years ago

      I read and listen widely and the Abraham material is one source of teachings that I have returned to over the years. I am also interested in criticism of any work I study but I have found no criticism of Abraham-Hicks to be particularly convincing.For me what matters is the material- the teachings themselves. I never felt Jane Roberts death in 1985 cast any aspersions on her work as Seth, for example. The material still speaks for itself and I never hold the life of the messenger as being the example of whether the work is valid or not. That measurement is my own experience and what I observe of the world around me.The nature of this work is that it connects our inner and outer experience and because we only have access to our own inner experience we can only judge the validity of the work by looking at our own life and inner world. Other people's experiences are irrelevant in this regard because we don't have access to their inner experience to judge its relationship to their outer manifestations.Jerry's death and his use of chemotherapy near the end doesn't surprise me. Sure, it reflects a lack of faith in his ability to heal himself but when you are desperate most will turn to outside help and may even use treatments they previously rejected. This says nothing about the validity of the teachings, it just tells us about human nature and the nature of human conditioning.Thanks for your work.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Mirata: Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Mirata.

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      Mirata 3 years ago

      I guess I quite understand your point. I just want to say that no one use only one source of information. Law of Attraction is a fact (Jerry and his wife are not inventors), regardless of how someone call it, just they make the things to sounds easy and simple. Which not always is so. Old truth is that people teach others of that to what they themselves want to learn. No matter if they know about that or they think that they are masters. Of course, it would be ideal if Jerry had more strength and faith, or Esther more humility and wisdom. BUT this would happen in an ideal world. This does not mean that in their books not exist enough good things that can be used. I think your point is more moral than the practical. Of course, that for the people with hard problems, this is not relevant guidance. But people with hard problems not use that kind of books. Of course, that one should sifted the information trought his own the moral code and personal instinct, but this applies to all the things you see and do. Especially this is true for many practical realistic (and mostly cynical) philosophies of life. Every human being chooses what to believe and how to make sense of their lives. I think it is very brave (there's another word for it) to disparages and underestimate intellectually the people because they choose to believe in something that you do not believe. In all cases, your information is useful and enlightening. So thank you very much and have good day!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Shedrackari: Shedrackari - Yawn...

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      Shedrackari 3 years ago

      I just get to discover the Hicks books and presently reading the laws of attraction, very fascinated book i must add. Going through your article here, pretty interesting I must say, however does not prove what I have read so far false. I mean after so many years of providing information and guidance from this non physical entity, it would take once death to use as a tool to try sway others and yourself from that the Hicks are a host is ridiculous. I mean death is inevitable right, all will experience it, want it or not its coming. In respect to the illness who knows what state of mind Jerry was in. Please note as quickly u get into alignment you can also get out (Abraham). Further in respect to illness, Abraham did mention if in your state of mind conventional medicines you believe will get you some relieve, then that is the route you will take. So maybe Jerry was at the state, cancer is a serious sickness, scary, its possible Jerry was focus on the cancer instead of health. Abraham said, if the focus is absent of health then of coarse you will attract sickness... I mean Jerry ask Abraham about about few ppl who were very ill, didn't pay attention to illness and got well. It might have been difficult for him an old man. My suggestion Mr. Dave, is read the books before attacking a movement years in existence just because the co founder dies.Ms. Williams, yes the book talks about following our instinct (guiding system/broader you) and you will never go wrong whether you know that guiding system exist or not :)

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @williamslaw: Good for you. You must've been encouraged to trust yourself when you were young. Not everyone gets that.Thank you.

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      williamslaw 3 years ago

      Never been a follower. I have always trusted my instincts and it is really satisfying to know my instincts have never failed me.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: In the past, I recognise I could not hear the "music" because of the noise of group perceptions. The term "despicable character", particularly in the era of mass media, is subject to the same second hand noise perhaps ?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @brian-fletcher-127: For me, it would, yes. "Divine," a word I've really grown to dislike for all its excessive use, is in the eyes and ears of the beholder.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Just remembered a favorite confrontational example. If one discovered that Mozart was a "despicable character", would that diminish the affinity one had developed with such divine music ?

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,The point I missed, from my own experience, is that "authenticity" in this subject of advanced levels of consciousness comes ONLY from personal first hand experience. Eben Alexander being a brilliant example of an advanced intellectual (scientist), communicating from his personal "first hand experience",which by definition, becomes anecdotal when it is passed on, and also by definition, doesn't fit the realm of the empirical.Scientists who have yet to experience such phenomena as E.A. have (usually) a derogatory view of such evidence and can become quite hostile.(Yes it happens amongst intellectuals also). They are only being true to their group consciousness of course. A phenomenon clearly understood by the likes of E.A., if not initially, definitely by now. A channel, also by the same definition, provides ONLY anecdotal information.Channeling as such, is purported to be (by the practitioners) a stream of information, from beyond the channel's own direct stream. Daryl Ankar (Bashar) explains this well. He states unequivocally, he does not have the same level of clarity as does his "entity" even though, the entity states he is an advanced stage of Daryl. The reason Im mentioning this, is that those who gravitate from a "confident belief" through this type of source(one step from knowing) can be easily "thrown", by the behavior of the messenger, as I mentioned previously.The bottom line is, experience is the ONLY teacher. It is good to remember that a "master" has achieved mastership by exactly the same process..EXPERIENCE, and, as the marvelous snowflake example, will affirm that no two experiences can be (or need to be) alike.Those at the believers stage, share common interpretations, usually via past channels (scribes as such)..anecdotal again, of past masters. Essential steps on the journey...as "current masters" will confirm.They are EXPERIENCING "beliefs", without which, the individual will not be able to recognise "knowing". (The basis for "Judge not" perhaps .....)In this context, I had already experienced what Abraham/Bashar et al have communicated, so heard only confirmation, and because of that experience, I completely understand why the channel may not be able (yet) to apply the very wisdom they are a catalyst for. I have no need to pursue Esther's explanation re her husbands death. I know the nature of believers responses, being one of the costs of the $ophist must pay. Yet another essential step.Final point....It is easy to throw the message away, and "lock in" to the nature (judgment) of the messenger. Such examples being observable differences between belief and knowing.In my early days, I experienced a master who purposely (in full consciousness), by his behavior, disrupted his believer streams, where they left with much indigence leaving only the "knowers" to continue. Often such masters experience the opposite in their "apprentice" stage. They often develop awareness that contradicts believer groups consciousness they once had an affinity with, and are kicked out!!! My favorite example being Socrates.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @brian-fletcher-127: Thank you for your comment, Brian.

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      brian-fletcher-127 3 years ago

      There is always a role for $ophists in our world. I have only fairly recently listened to "Abraham" and my favorite Bashar. Thing is, I learned about the role of these "professional" teachers decades ago, and when I listen to them (these two at least) I get immense amounts of confirmation of realities I have long been "in tune" with. Factors which I have experienced first hand. There was one of Abraham recently, where an intending would be Congressman asked in effect, "how can I be of some value". Her response was absolutely brilliant, and this man of obviously of the highest ethics replied by saying "that's the most advanced spiritual political insight I have ever heard" It was indeed.What did I think when I just heard about the death (an hour ago)? Same as I always have on my path. For those who have not yet totally embraced their own authentic reality, such events will "throw them".Perhaps a long bow to draw (but typical emotional reaction). Why would the "son of God" in the Christian tradition, be allowed by the Father, to suffer as he did. The $ophists say, it was "for their sins", when the teacher himself said that we all reap what we sow..a tradition of awareness known as karma, that predates the western religious understanding ,but is now embraced with both classic and quantum physics.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ecogranny: That's a fairly accurate summary, although the sequence was not quite like that.Thank you, especially for noticing the title I used to give myself.

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      Kathryn Grace 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Until your articles here, I never heard of Abraham-Hicks or the Hicks family. Reading your article, I can almost feel the sense of betrayal you must have felt as your disillusionment grew. Yet it seems that from that disillusionment, at least in part, arose a mind that learned to trust itself and its own visions.I congratulate you on coming through to the other side and discovering within yourself "the happiest man in the world."

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @xarrian: Sorry, kid. There is no positive or negative way of looking at things. All there is is an honest look at the clearest truth. Uhm, Jerry himself said that he wanted to live through the leukemia and get back on the road with Esther as soon as he gained back 15 pounds. How, then, did you figure out that it was his "choice of moving on?" Was Jerry lying? Or do you think he deliberately wanted to make what his wife had preached for year look foolish? How any human being, when having a choice, fails to see the big picture is sad indeed, a sorry commentary on the state of wisdom about Abraham-Hicks followers. If you look at the whole thing, it will only seem bad, if it is. Spiritually genuine teachers have no fear of the facts. No reason to. But Esther tells you to look at things from just one angle. Guess why.

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      xarrian 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Man oh man! DS .. you remind me of an old old old man .. filled with too much hurt to be able to see the sun - and, with nothing better to do than what you obviously do. How any human being, when having a choice of looking at the positive and looking at the negative .. choose the negative ... is sad indeed. I guess when you look at death from a duality perspective, and as a bad thing, as you must do, it would be fairly impossible to 'see' how Jerry may have enjoyed his choice of moving on. Ha! Moving on from unconsciousness in some might even be a JOYOUS CHOICE! Don't you think. And pleeease .. no answer is necessary - read one - you've read them all.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Yes, and 15 pounds of weight loss in about a month. They grow 'em extra nasty down there.

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      waynewilliams57 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Good to hear from you to Dave. I am living in Florida these days. But I got be careful as you know, there are big bad poisonous spiders here. Sure would not want to get whacked by the species that bit Jerry Hicks. Dem Kind uh spidas down heuh in the South have been know to cause CANCER.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Hey, Wayne. Hadnt heard from you in a while. I see you've kept your passions stoked. Thanks for jumping in.

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      waynewilliams57 3 years ago

      @ikabob: Hello Ikabob: This lens by Dave Stone is about one thing and one thing only. Jerry Hicks now deceased and croaked from cancer, Esther Hicks the remaining partner of the scam duo, and Abrascam themselves (and no I did not mis-spell) lied, deceived, and manipulated thousands of people by trying to cover up the fact: THAT JERRY HICKS CROAKED, DIED, AND LEFT THIS PHYSICAL PLANE because HE ATTRACTED cancer into his life and he could not do anything but CROAK as a result which goes against everything Abrascam teaches that we cannot attract anything into our experience unless we invite it. Jerry therefore INVITED CANCER AND CROAKING BECAME THE INEVITABLE RESULT. In the future Ikabob, please stick to the topic at hand. And a message to you Esther as well. Is Ikabob really the best name you could come up with for your latest endeavor to continue to throw up a smoke screen to hide what really happened. Ikabob: That was a good one. Almost made me laugh.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @SteveKaye: Thanks, Steve. Amazing, yes, but pretty disappointing too.

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      SteveKaye 3 years ago

      Amazing! Thank you for publishing this lens.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @ikabob: Since you copied and pasted in two different places - apparently you planned your visit here - I left this one up. You are sadly misinformed about the facts, and Jerry never made a peep about deeper breaths. You also misspelled Esther's name. An "ester" is a chemical compound, not a person.Since you wrote your comment in advance and stopped by to paste it, I'd think you'd have done a better job. Doesn't say much for the A-H crowd of followers.

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      ikabob 3 years ago

      There has never been a charge for Abrahams message. At any gathering of Abraham an introduction CD is available free of charge. You may write them for one as well and it is postage paid free of charge. I personally chose to meet Jerry and Ester and attend several of their seminars and purchase several tapes. The message has remained the same throughout. I have never witnessed anyone being forced into participation.Jerry has made it clear what Abrahams message is, thus, drink more water, Think more better feeling thoughts and breath more deeper breaths.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @shadowfast7: Thanks.

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      Sure Temp 3 years ago

      stopped to say hi :) nice lens!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for the thought, esteb. I disagree with you position about there being no "real contribution" to criticizing Esther and Jerry Hicks. In the face of boundless promotion by this operation, balance is a necessity. People considering them ought to be able to look at both sides. The Hicks people do not think anyone should be allowed to disagree, and they make efforts to stifle criticism when they can. I don't know if you can still see the thread, but Wikipedia's initial realistic report was attacked directly by Jodi Barron, then an acolyte who helped control the so-called Abe Forum. Barron relentlessly attacked until all that was left was the toothless "objective" report you see today for Esther Hicks, who according to what's left of Wikipedia is an "inspiration speaker," leaving the major nuttiness out.Those of us who are Abraham Hicks skeptics are filling in gaps no one else is willing to handle. Realistically, if what Esther Hicks presents is so viable, she should have no concern about anything written here. Wouldn't the "law of attraction" sort it all out anyway? Of course, she knows that's hogwash as well as I do.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      In 4 words: "Follow the money trail"...I would have been somehow skeptical on the validity of some of the observations made by the author of this Blog, if the "Hicks" would have offered their help to humanity without asking huge some of money (like they did for many years). That being said, what is the real contribution behind any attacks of the Hicks for their allegedly wrongdoing ? None.But, the author has the total right to bring up any issues (and he does it thoroughly) that could mislead people in their spiritual journey.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: There's always hope, Ahna, but I don't think, objectively, that Esther has it in her as a solo act.

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      Ahnalira 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: The months during Jerry's illness was, I agree, a missed opportunity. I wonder sometimes where the course of events would have led if Jerry and Esther had chosen to open up and let the love their community and a shared commitment to evolve open the "teachings" to an authentically shared process. I believe it could have been far more powerful than stories about problems with their homes and RVs. They made the choice, though, to withdraw even further into obfuscating through smoke and mirrors about their happy, carefree Life that could be had by all for the mere cost of a few workshops.Actually, I think it could still be very powerful and hope springs eternal in me that Esther will make the choice for the authentic path.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Of course, any entity with that wisdom and insight would elegantly and thoroughly clarify any confusion and refute any errors, just in the interest to fortifying those who trust it. That never happened.For me, the real sadness was when Esther missed a chance during Jerry's illness and after his death to come clean and help her followers understand and help them get oriented. Instead, she decided to milk the event for money. There really is nothing she can do now but go home and stay there that would really be helpful. As long as she keeps pitching this stuff, real voices of real value will not be as clearly heard.

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      Ahnalira 3 years ago

      @anonymous: "(The photo here was taken, according to different sources, as long as a year and a half before his death. His weight loss is already visible. The source for the photo, a fan at the time, wishes to remain anonymous.)"In answer to whether I was ever a follower of Abraham-Hicks... the picture at the top of the article has the back of my head in it (over Esther's right shoulder.) It was taken in September, 2010, at their anniversary party. That would be 14 months before Jerry's passing.I've listened to A LOT of material over 14 years of participating in the "Jerry and Esther Hicks Show" and there are still concepts that I point to as very well scripted descriptions of concepts introduced by others, but not so well articulated. The idea of a vibratory set point from which our perceptual filters influence our interpretation of events, for example, shines for me as brightly as the algebraic equation: If A = B and B=C, then A = C. Both of them stand the test of time for me in application.That said, I know that Esther as Abraham said things to people that was medically and emotionally harmful. For example, when she told the person with type 1 diabetes, he should only test his blood sugar when he was "in the vortex" I knew for a fact, that was bad advice for the management of his health. I was in the audience for that one. That's just one very concrete example -- enough to disprove the validity of taking what Esther as Abraham says without testing and verifying across the board, imho.That doesn't diminish the entertainment value, or even the occasional insight that draws oblique esoteric concepts into easy to understand analogies. It does speak to the importance of discernment. If your articles do anything, David, they offer people the opportunity to question - to test and verify. If a teaching can't stand up to scrutiny, it isn't worth the cost of a workshop or a book, right? An advanced non-physical group of teachers would welcome that scrutiny, right?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Good and bad are personal, private judgments. You may not have noticed "anything bad" after your immersion in A-H's books and tapes, but others have seen plenty - advocating animal cruelty, trying formulas to rope in a cult following by offering advance warnings about natural disasters that never happened, blaming the victim when illness or misfortune strikes, encouraging a selfish lack of consideration for others, espousing magical medical practices that have gotten people into serious trouble, money-grubbing, etc.As an Abraham-Hicks follower, Sally, it's natural for you to be unable to deal with facts. Another odd characteristic I've seen is tendency to feel victimized on behalf of Esther and Jerry, as if any contrary opinion must be "full of hate and anger and jealousy." Abers seem to have a hard time accepting that others have opinions that differ from theirs. Another strange one I see a lot is volunteering advice, as if I or many others would be eager to hear what anyone so enmeshed in this simplistic, spiritually shallow theology has to say.PS: If my main interest was in selling my own books, they wouldn't be listed sixth and seventh after all the heavy hitters.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      I don't understand this site. I have listened to a lot of Esther Hicks on tapes and books and they have never advocated anything bad, whereas this site is full of hate and anger and jealousy. Seems to me you are trying to sell your own books but are just not so successful. I suggest you work on a more loving and understanding perspective to sell more of your books.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: That's the point, it really is that simple. Most cures for cancer (fungus) really are simple, practically free and easy to administer, and if people began to truly know what these simple cures are then the huge multitrillion debt token, health scam, would simply cease to exist. Jerry Hicks, simply bought the snake oil that was sold to him by very convincing and cunning sales people who are often charismatic masters of the human language, he bought the myth and ignored the natural remedy, a remedy that he probably supported at one time or another. Don't be fooled by fancy college degrees and so called authority figures (actors), they're quite often demonstrated to be wrong. Awaken to the fact that we are all our highest authorities and you too can actually heal yourself of most any affliction with some simple knowledge that is your natural born RIGHT to know. Knowledge, really is powerful stuff. Perhaps, our first step in our evolution is to learn to distinguish between the facts of nature and the fictional fairy-tales that we're constantly being bombarded with by persistent word magicians and political acrobats who keep their myth of power by attempting to hypnotize us into giving them the fruits of our unnecessary labor.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Unlikely to be that simple.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes, I agree, but the results of specific evolutionary causes related to cancer for example can be observed to be certain by simply knowing it's environmentally conditional, and or biological effects.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Evolution takes time, and the results are never certain or inevitably good. What we see are the most current signs of its progress in human awareness.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: The point is, David. We're our own best Doctors. We might be wise to stop believing in all the crap that people are attempting to shovel our way.. The Hicks are an example of a certain kind of person who has simply learned to profit by selling their specific brand of snake-oil. The snake-oil is simply a belief based idea that has no basis in the science of FACT. I call the many American institutions that are based entirely on belief, Alice's Wonderland. The cancer institute, will never find a cure, the war institute, will never know the reality of peace, the money institute will never allow the abstract notion of a DEBT slave to become free from the bondage of belief. All these institutions of belief are accepted until they're released as our knowledge expands toward the realities of nature, where all solutions currently exist. Yes, it's perfectly natural that people hold their beliefs to the great detriment of themselves and others, but why hold these beliefs so dear as the cure is already HERE? We just need eyes to SEE.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: No, I am not in the spiritual business. I write about the subject sometimes. And many of her followers have realized that she has little of value to say and much that might be dangerous. Turn out at her "workshops" has diminished, and she had to cancel the once always old out cruises.Your seeing that all spiritual teachers are teaching almost the same thing suggests an over-dependence on a such people (or how would you know about so many?) and the absence of critical thinking. There are major differences in the teachings, although Esther and Jerry gradually worked their message down to the few that were easiest to sell to lazy people determined not to actually do the work of gaining personal insight. They just let Esther spoon feed them.If a spiritual teacher teaches anyone not to notice others' faults, then that teacher is an idiot. Adults make decisions about all sorts of things in life, including the people they let into their lives. Telling them not to discriminate is equal to telling them to be trusting babies in all circumstances. Fortunately, you can't do that, even if you want to, which leaves you in a permanent state of, in Esther's words, "not letting it in."

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi David ! I have heard a lot Esther on youtube. but this site against/for her I see only today first time. Are you also in same spiritual business as she and try to reveal that she is fake? If she is fake, her followers will realize sooner or later after getting no result as she teaches. why so much discussion and time spending on her ? This site is determination to bring her down. I see all spiritual teacher teach almost same thing. Interesting part is after being in same business when you try to expose other means , you try to expose yourself also. Spiritual teacher teaches not to notice others fault.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Part 2 of 3I listened to another of your recordings or it may have been in one of the earlier books I previously mentioned in which you have this to say regarding our Inner Being. You tell us that after a while if we fail to grow or become stuck and stop making progress towards our well being, then our Inner Being or higher self becomes discouraged and then stops offering positive support and feedback to us. Then you tell us that from then on we are pretty much on our own. This is the ultimate expression OF YOUR STUPIDITY AND TOTAL UNCARING IGNORANCE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOU LOOKING FOR RELIEF FROM THEIR SUFFERING. To tell someone that their higher self just gives up on them after a certain amount of time has elapsed and the person is no longer showing signs of growth is THE UTTER EXPRESSION OF YOUR CONTEMPT AND IGNORANCE FOR MANKIND. Of course you know all of this already.In another one of your workshop recordings you have this non-wonderful tidbit to share with your audience: NOW SOME OF YOU HERE ARE SO PINCHED OFF FROM YOUR WELL BEING TO THE POINT TO WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CROAK IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO PURE POSITIVE AWARENESS. Here you are telling hurting and depressed people sitting in your audience that they are going to have to commit suicide because they are so pinched off from their well being that they cannot be reached. YOU ARE A FOOL OF ALL FOOLS and the people who sit in your audience are bigger fools yet. There is an old saying that states: your enemies can teach you more about yourself than ever your friends will. Consider me your enemy because I will never honor, respect, or believe in your divinity. I know the real you and your intent to defraud and deceive and that is what you will learn from me.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave, I wanted to respond to what Abraham posted several weeks ago. Part 1 of 2Abraham: The main reason I have delayed so long in responding to you is as follows: YOU ARE JUST NOT THAT IMPORTANT OR WORTH MINE OR ANYONE ELSES TIME IN DOING SO. You probably noticed that not one person but Dave and I have replied to you. You are a NO THING, not worth the time and effort to do so. But respond I shall, not for you, but for me and the many others that may come across my words. You cannot help a single soul in distress, you never have, and you never will. You are a COSMIC CON ARTIST in the same group as Jach Pursel who channels Larazis, J.Z. Knight who channels Ramtha, and the many others who claim they are channeling an enlightened being. I will allow Jane Roberts and Seth to be real. Jane had no Ego such as Esthers and Jerrys and was not looking to become wealthy. I believe Jane although not perfect was legit in her efforts although she to was a hypocrite in the end and could not heal herself before she died. However I don't feel hate toward Jane and Robert Butts because I see no evidence they were trying to rip people off. But I do feel HATE AND CONTEMPT for you, and you deserve every portion of it. Of course you know this already.You are worthless to any person seeking help or aid unless they are already: TUNNED IN, TURNED ON, AND TAPPED IN. You cannot help anyone with any degree of severe depression, hated, resentment, murderous intent, negative feelings, anger towards you, suicidal intent, and self hatred. You are an enemy to such people. You are therefore an enemy of mine. Of course you know this already There was an article in one of your quarterly journals several years back where Esther was telling this story about a female friend of hers who was suicidal. Esther suggested she speak to you (Abraham) After speaking to you, she killed herself a few days later. Your stupid response was: She just wanted to go ahead and die so she could pop back into PURE POSITIVE AWARENESS of her true self. No Abraham: The poor woman was suicidal over conditions in her life she could not accept or feel she could change. She believed that in talking to you she would feel comforted and find solutions. She found no such solutions but more hopelessness from your ignorant answers and lack of understanding to her dilemma. THEN!!! She killed herself. In true essence: YOU KILLED THIS WOMAN WITH YOUR WORDS AND USELESS ADVICE. Talking to you is depressing. I know from my experience in the Hot Seat on November 1, 2006 in Tampa.You continually tell us that action is not the key to creation but thought in alignment with what we desire is the key. That is only a portion of the big picture. There is this GREAT BIG LIE you leave out of the answer: BELIEF!!! In your book: Money and the Law of Attraction you wrote this sentence in black bold print: YOU CANNOT CREATE OUTSIDE OF YOUR BELIEFS. Then you never addressed it any further. You never discuss belief or how to change it. And that is why you are a CON ARTIST OF ALL TIME alongside Tony Robbins and countless others. No one can have what they want no matter how much they want it as long as they believe they cannot have it or don't have the means to obtain it. To tell people that: If you would just direct your awareness back to the knowing that the answers you seek you already know, and to remember to trust your own judgment and your own wisdom, you will gain a firm feeling of relief and you start to allow more of the things that want to show up. only puts money in Esthers pocket and leaves the seeker hurting and resentful even more so. Whenever someone in the Hot Seat starts to talk negative or about what is hurting them, you butt in and cut them off and don't allow them to continue. You think that to block people from expressing their hurt is helpful, yet you have no idea that you are merely signing their death sentence. To truly help people you have to open yourself up to being attacked, judged, criticized, hated, and to experience all of their negative emotion towards you. Of course, you know this already. Abraham, you don't love or care about anyone. All you care about is the wealth bucket you create for Esther and the late Croaked Jerry Hicks. Of course you know this already.Abraham: I like what you wrote in one of your earlier books, either the pink or green book with the titles: A New Beginning One and Two. You state: JUST BECAUSE WE ARE NON-PHSYSICAL DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE SMART. These are the only true words you have ever spoken. Now I don't believe you spoke them to put yourself down or make yourselves look foolish. They were words of manipulation for your followers to say: Hey look everybody, even Abraham admits he is not smart at times. But the blatant truth is: YOU DAMN SURE AINT SMART. In fact there is no wisdom found in your words. You are the purest form of evidence that the non-physical has no more claim on wisdom or knowledge than does our lowly Earth and all its imperfections.Abraham: In your post here you state: With every book you read and every recording you listen to and every person you meet you constantly search for an answer as thought it does not exist. If you would just direct your awareness back to the knowing that the answers you seek you already know, ect. Good advice Abraham. So how do YOU justify making hundreds of recordings, writing numerous books, conducting thousands of workshops through the years and making a monetary profit from all of these endeavors if everyone already knows everything you write and speak about. All the Abraham Hicks organization is about is Money, plain and simple, always has and always will be, things for the body, material things, more pleasure, less pain, more of this, more of that. Of course you know all this already.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Hard to tell, Wayne. The security system could be screwing up. If there are any size limits, I'm unaware of them. Maybe it's the law of attraction getting revenge. 'Probably not, though. I'm headed out and won't be back on until this evening. Why not try splitting your comment in half and see if it works?

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave I am trying to post reply to the Abraham post from April. I have correctly entered the security words two times. I have logged of and back on and correctly typed a second security word. What am I doing wrong. Can my post be too long and that causing it not to post? Please delete this message

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: A bit off topic, Chad, but interesting as usual. Personally, I'd try almost anything before chemotherapy, but getting back to the topic, if this is true, why didn't he "masters of the universe" just trot Jerry over to the supermarket to buy this cheap easy cure?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Are we not yet aware that cancer is simply a fungus within the body? All fungi grow under acidic conditions. So if your PH balance is acidic, then simply take a couple of teaspoons of sodium bicarbonate with six ounces of water everyday, morning and night, until your blood reaches a consistently normal PH balance. Change your diet by eating less acidic foods. you can cure yourself of cancer, how do I know this? Because I've done it. Remember, the traditional allopathic medicine industry does not profit from curing you, they profit by either making you more ill than you already are, and keeping you treated for as long as they can before you die as they drain your bank accounts. This is evidenced by the fact that they treat you with carcinogens like "radiation" treatments, poisons, and cutting into the cancer so that it spreads to other parts of the body etc.. If you want to live a long and healthy life, realize that we are our own best doctors. The body has a tremendous capacity to heal itself under the right conditions. It's our job to know what those conditions are.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Interesting take on it, Wayne. I hope all's well with you.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey John: Sounds like "you" are the one who has a problem with criticizing others since you are attempting to criticize "Dave" for creating his own soapbox. Dave's soap box is nothing compared to the Soapbox that Esther Hicks and Abraham have created. They have stood on their soapbox for over 25 years and made millions from doing so destroying many lives along the way.You claim you are not able to understand the law of attraction and just could not through it. I disagree. The Law of Attraction has delivered you in a less than wonderful fashion directly to the door step of Dave's blog. You are just another Puppet sent her disguised as a person who does not believe in the law of attraction or knows very little of Esther. Nice try.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: John, you're missing the point. Soap boxes were pedestals people climbed on to advocate a point of view. That's a bit different than critiquing a public figure. I don't care what philosophy people follow, even though I try to make them aware of options, but public figures of any persuasion are fair game. Few are as obvious as Abraham Hicks. They are just easy to write about.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I've just been listening to the Hay House World Summit Esther Hicks' interview and came here as a result of Googling Jerry Hicks' death, of which I was unaware. I have read numerous books by uplifting authors, including a number of the books you have listed on this site. I was unable to get through The Law of Attraction. The information did not resonate with me.That said Dave, when you suggest that Christine "step off her soapbox", I wonder whether you might consider reflecting on the concept "what you criticize in others, you deny in yourself. My observation is that this site seems to to be YOUR soapbox.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Erin Mellor: Well, Erin, that gave me a healthy chuckle first thing in the morning.The Hicks always claimed they never "pushed" their products, just had them out there for those who were drawn to them. Funny in itself, but then another commenter reminded me of the earliest, less polished performances when Jerry would arrive with two thingsEsther and his credit card machine.

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      Erin Mellor 4 years ago from Europe

      The big clue with any 'spiritual awakening guru', is just how fast they want you to get your wallet out.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Oops, Abraham, wrong again. You're probably used to it by now.Thank you, however, for helping to prove my point.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: As we listen to your words, we hear a lot of frustration and anger and resentment in it. We understand that you have tried very hard to find your way to happiness, but trying has been one of the main obstacles between where you are now and where you want to be. Your efforts to find clarity through the readings and the people you have experienced so far have been continuously benched from a focused thought of "not enough". With every book you read and every recording you listen to and every person you meet, you constantly search for an answer as though it has not or does not exist. If you would just direct your awareness back to the knowing that the answers you seek you already know, and to remember to trust your own judgement and your own wisdom, you will gain a firm feeling of relief and you will start to allow more of the things that you want to show up in the form of many small opportunities, help, and inspired actions. The contrast that you have made between your aspirations to find and share joy and happiness with others and your current reality of not at the moment experiencing it are too far apart, and every time you easily let yourself see the contrasting reality that you live, you have also let yourself believe that what you most want is out of your reach, and that you have to try harder to get where you want to be. We want to say this to you, you are a blessed being, and that none of the questions you seek answer for have not been answered. Of course, you know this already.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @khanyisa-tutashinda: khanyisa-tutashinda, thank you for your thoughtful comment. You perspective is new to me, and I enjoyed reading it.

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      khanyisa-tutashinda 4 years ago

      I found this really enlightening coming across this material, I had known about Jerrys death but to learn the way they handled the whole situation is really very disturbing, however sadly I am not surprised. It is very clear that these gurus are encouraging addictive type behaviours by creating lifelong students.What I continuously see is a pattern of westerners learning (some would say stealing) principles taken from indigenous cultures that live in accordance to natural laws and then trying to adapt them to western capitalistic living.When I first saw Esther she reminded me of a western imitation of the diviners in my ancestors village in Ghana and It helps me to see what the problem is. These people are speaking and preaching spirit without having the true understanding of what it is but only knowing enough to market themselves, some people are better at doing this than others.In western society, everything is exploited as a business so it is not a surprise that spirituality is corrupted. It is not money that is the root of evil, it is the love of money above all else that is if not evil very much soul-less, which is where I think the western idea to 'sell your soul to the devil' comes from.On that note The teachings of Abraham remind me a lot of Satanism which is another 'cult' that steals ideas from various indigenous principles and ideas in order to define its own voice.Yet as much as I say all this, if you were to come to my particular village in Africa and see the Diviner with his bones and cowrie shells, sitting outside of a mudhut, appearing to some to be quite 'barbaric' many would never be able to fathom the wealth he/she possess and how much of an impact that wealth has to your reality, when you buy the latest self-help book in your local bookstore.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Whatever else you are trying to say, Christine, you've missed the point. I have no idea what it being anyone's "time" to die means. It's just a useless cliché as far as I can tell. But that's not the point here.The point is a question about why, when a serious illness came, Jerry and Esther ran away in a hurry from the very teachings they'd been selling for 25 years and, instead, did what most people with any common sense would do - turn to conventional medicine and therapy as the best hope for a cure. Whether it was his time to go or whether some alternative or even Esther's well-documented teachings might have been more effective is not the point of anyone's business. But it should matter to followers that Esther and Jerry Hicks did not, according to them, take their own medicine.So, you might want to step off your soapbox for a while and reflect on the actual issue being discussed. If you do that, you might have something relevant to add here.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I read a bit of your website and it just reinforces what I have seen for the last 30 years from so called "spiritualist/metaphysical people---the judgements are ridiculous!!! Death is not a failure. Jerry died. He was a physical being. It was obviously his time. What is he supposed to live forever???? For god sakes he was a human being. My good friend who was a practicing energy therapist died young of cancer and I was repulsed and sickened by the judgments her so called friends and colleagues made about her illness. "oh, she must have died because she hadn't dealt with her anger"...etc......blah blah blah..Guess what --it's none of our business! It is their personal time to die or live. We all going to die no matter how connected to God or your vortex your physical body will get old and it will be time to go!!!!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Andy. Beneath all the feel good hype, it's just another blame the victim theology. We will all one day answer to a higher authority, and I for one am happy to say that, with all my faults, I'll hold my head up high.Appreciate your comment.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Im now reading everything I can on Esther Hicks. Im pretty open minded most of the time. I understand what works for some people's belief system is not true for another and that is ok, but these people just shift the blame for everything that happens in world to whoever it is happening to, Nice one. And people pay for that? $175.00. All I hope is that one day they will have to answer to some Higher Source for the damage they do to people that are perhaps the lowest point in their lives. Thanks Dave I think you are an absolute diamond for exposing this for what it is.The Amway background makes a load of sense too now.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: As much as I resisted the conclusion you're making, Andy, the more I saw the exploitation that you're seeing. What disappoints me more is that there is a whole gaggle of followers willing to embrace this blame the victim theology. There's a sort of emotional/spiritual underdevelopment at play, I think. Just to think of how she insists that all 3,000 people who died on 9/11/01 did so with intent and kept her followers is a pretty dim reflection on humanity.Thanks for your comment, Andy.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I agree with positive thinking being helpful, and constantly negative thinking being a hindrance, but I work with terminally ill people, and i think if I hear any more that these people are "drawing it to themselves" I will have a massive hysterical hissy fit. Little children? And the Holocaust? After i saw this woman yesterday I think she takes advantage of vulnerable people and she is an utter liar.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Oh, your comments were acceptable. Just keeping the conversation going.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave: Anytime I cross your line of what is acceptable, please don't hesitate to put your foot down.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: A little too nihilistic for my tastes, Wayne, but I get the frustration at reading the unthinking comments of cult followers. People do get help, and people do get their lives turned around. Not always, of course, but I don't know of a single case in which Esther's preaching actually made a serious difference in anyone's life.You read the claims, mostly from sock puppets, but even when challenged, they can never come up with a single specific example. You know why, of course.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hello Jana Mistress Puppeteer for the Abraham-Esther-Jerry less organization. Let us review one of your statements: You create a vibrational basis (not bases like you wrote) every single moment of your life and the reality will reflect back to you. And that is how Jerry created, he was worrying about the large number of white blood cells which was maybe just a balancing act from his body and then he chose chemotherapy to compensate for his misalignment which destroyed his body I mean what a psychic you are. Please send me your phone number so I can call for an appointment. I mean the way you were able to look inside Jerrys body before he croaked and saw all of them white blood cells taking over and how you knew it was a balancing act. I like the balancing act part because as you know Jerry used to be in the circus, get it: BALANCING ACT. Sorry could not help the pun. BALANCING ACT is a wonderful metaphor to describe what Jerry and Esther have been doing for the past 30 years or more: A balancing act of lies, occasional truths, and cover ups. The questions you seem to be ignoring are: WHY DID JERRY MAKE SUCH FOOLISH DECISIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE BY CHOOSING SOMETHING: CHEMO WHICH WOULD DESTROY HIS BODY. WHY WOULD JERRY WORRY IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN SURROUNDED 24/7 BY THIS WONDERFUL NON PHYSICAL BEING OF WELL BEING KNOWN AS ABRACON? I MEAN ABRAHAM. What happened to Jerry is something that should only happy to a clueless and non enlightened person who has no clue how they manufacture their own reality. Jerry had been around metaphysics and new age thinking for fifty years or more. So you see there JUST AINT NO DAMN EXCUSE FOR JERRY MAKING SUCH ABSURD DECISIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. As I have said in previous posts, the Law of Attraction and teachings of Abraham, Wayne Dyer, Neal Walsch, Course In Miracles, and others are absolutely useless to the people who need them the most. Those filled with hate and grievances, the desire to get revenge, the hopeless and depressed, the suicidal, the mental patient, the lonely, the serial killer. These are people I know well. In fact the law of attraction is useless even to people on top of their game. Take Tiger Woods for instance. Here was a man who had been programmed by his Father from the time he was seven years old to be the greatest golfer of all time, to be the best he could be, and to settle for nothing except absolute and total success. And so Tiger achieved all of these and more. Then a few years later Tiger has the sh-- beat out of him with a golf club by his own wife when she finds out he had been banging other women. This resulted in Tigers indiscretion being exposed to the public media resulting in criticism, finger pointing, and attack. This is the first time in Tigers life that he experienced anything other than love and admiration from the people around him. Hate, anger, criticism were elements he had never had to endure. Tiger had access to billions of dollars, could afford any therapist, any type of coach, could have had access to any kind of help to help him heal and recover from this new ordeal. Yet it took the better part of 6 years for him to even get close to being the golfer he once was. He was only a winner WHEN THINGS WERE GOING HIS WAY, SAME AS JERRY. He became a looser when things turned against him. So if a man like Tiger and Jerry who had all the financial resources the world has to offer cannot turn around a negative situation, then how do you expect the criminal, the rapist, people despised by everyone all the time, the hated, the condemned, the terrorist, the psychotic individual is going to turn their life around when some one like Tiger and Jerry could not do under the best of circumstances. The answer is: THEY CANNOT AND WILL NOT. No valid teaching of any kind exists at this time in this world to help the poor suffering souls who need it most. Abraham, Jerry, and Esther are basically predators who preyed on the most vulnerable and gave nothing of any value except those looking to manifest a new car, a better career, a new relationship, the things of this world. The law of attraction is not a gift from a Loving God ( if there is a loving God). The law of attraction is a man made invention of Rhonda Byrnes, Jerry and Esther Hicks, Joe Vitale, Neal Walsch, and Wayne Dyer for the purpose of selling books and filling personal bank accounts. Nothing more, but then again nothing less.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jana, come back when you've actually read the material and can comment intelligently. You're just parroting a script here, like a cult follower trained not to think.By the way, you were never at all like me, and you have no idea what my philosophical or spiritual grounding is. It just makes you feel better believing you do.Millions of years of evolution prepared you with a thinking brain. Use it while you still have time.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      You are just repeating all the mainstream stuff that we here all day every day. Science, Statistics and Worries all over the world. Abraham is something different for those who are able to look beyond what is reality. I was like you, some years ago I thought there was only this physical reality with its physical laws and no souls, no god, but it didn't serve me very well. Now I create my own emotions every day and the universe responds to these emotions in every single case without exception. You create a vibrational bases every single moment of your life and the reality will reflect this back to you. And that is how Jerry created, he was worrying about his large number of white blood cells (which was maybe just a balancing act from his body) and then he chose to use chemotherapy to compensate his mis-alignment, which destroyed his body. You can't know what I know because you have not seen the miracles that I have seen, you did not feel the true feeling of unconditional love lightening your whole body and the knowing you have in these moments. There are no more questions just a knowing and feeling of worthiness and love. I wish for you that you find a way to get open enough to give it a new try. Give Abraham a second chance. Just try to achieve an emotion that you like (some minutes before sleeping and some minutes after awakening are enough) and then watch what happens in your experience. There wont be any doubts, Im sure. No theory can replace real life experience...

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Thanks, Wayne, I have nothing to add. Your passion is admirable.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Wayne: Hello Mr or Mrs Visitor or young 16 year old teenager, you get to choose, since you don't have the integrity or honesty to reveal your real self on this blog as you call it. I have learned that when anybody starts out their reply to a blog with the word: WOW, then immaturity, lies, and revelation of true character is surely to follow. Actually Daves blog is more of a log than a blog. It is more of a log of the real truths concerning Jerry Hicks, Esther, and the imagined Abraham. I noticed it has been several weeks since your first debut here. Why have you decided to respond to Daves and my criticism now, and HOW MUCH IS ESTHER AND HER ORGANIZATION PAYING YOU to be a puppet for her? I notice you state: You don't have any knowledge of what Jerry was doing or thinking his entire life. I mean what a stupid ignorant statement. I mean you are a follower of Abraham and his teachings are you not? That means you have read the books that Jerry and Esther have published. Jerry disclosed tons of personal information about himself and his past. For example: Jerry brags about he and Esther do not carry health insurance because nothing ever goes wrong with them physically that they cannot take care of themselves. Jerry talks about his days as a circus performer and college circuit musician, Jerry talks about his billionaire friend who needed to sell a motel, Jerry talks about cutting hospital visits to a short visit when visiting friends, Jerry talks and talks and talks. Were you not reading or listening when JERRY TALKED ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE? So that is your first lie in coming here. Your next lie comes when you state the following about Jerry: Now about Jerry and his cancer, that was his life and that was his experience and He owns it. What a royal crock of BS!!! Jerry never owned his cancer or took responsibility. Instead he and Esther told lies and manipulated the facts and did every thing in their power to keep Jerry and his condition hidden from public scrutiny. Now they hire 16 year olds like you, more like 14 year olds to come here and puppeteer for the Abraham Hicks organization, I mean the Abraham and Esther organization. Your next series of lies begins with your statements: We can never know the whys and causes of why Jerry created cancer or the events leading Jerry to that conclusion. We don't know what he did or did not do or the point he was trying to make in his story to the rest of the world. BS!!! YES WE DO. We do know what he did and did not do. He DID lie and try to cover up the fact he had cancer. He DID run to the medical community which is almost always a useless endeavor, He DID NOT come clean with his readers or the spiritual community who reads his books and attended his workshops. And the most crucial, He DID NOT apply the principles of healing or focusing on health that Abraham teaches we can all accomplish simply by changing our minds and focusing on the solution. Your most critical lie comes in the next statement: Jerry and Esther have the right to tell their story or Jerry has the right to tell his story any way he wishes. NO HE DOES NOT!!! Jerry DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to make millions of dollars over a nearly 30 year period broadcasting the teachings from an entity that never existed in the first place and then die from an illness that Jerry had his entire life to never attract in his life in the first place because he WAS surrounded 24/7 by this Entity Abraham who is a constant beacon of WELL BEING. Aint I right Junior? JERRY HAD A RESPONSIBILITY THAT HE RAN AWAY FROM OF BEING A SHINING, LIVING, AND TRUE EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO LIVES AND PRACTICES THE PRINCIPLES OF HEALING AND HEALTH IN THEIR OWN LIFES AND TO LIVE BY THE WORDS HE WROTE IN HIS OWN BOOKS. Instead Jerry as most do sold out to money and the pursuit of the material satisfactions that this world has to offer, and might I add: AT THE EXPENSE OF THOSE LIKE ME AND OTHERS WHO WERE FOOLS ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IN HIS LIES AND TEACHINGS. So you see Junior, if you are a nobody like me, then yes you can live your story any way you choose regardless of the tragic outcome. But when you are a special somebody like Jerry who hob knobed with the likes of Neale Walsch, Mary Ann Williamson, Wayne Dyer, and all the other important spiritual teachers of this world (not my opinion by the way), you don't get the luxury of choosing TO BE A HYPOCRITE AND LIAR AS JERRY CHOSE TO BE. And finally you get to amuse us all with your pathetic attempts at offering solutions to Terrorism, climate change, cancer, winning football, health, the drug war. Laughed my ass off. You cannot even solve the problem of brown streaks in your underwear. You try to tells us that America has only recently been fighting terrorism and now we are at our most unhappiest state ever. BS!!! America has always used vengeance and war to get even with those that have attacked us or others. There was this big bad bomb that America dropped on Japan killing 50,000 men, women, and children and destroying an entire city in response to the Pearl Harbor attack. America puts to death serial killers. don't lecture me with your pathetic gestures of trying to solve these issues. You begin to solve terrorism such as was demonstrated by Tim McVeigh or the 911 attackers, or James Holmes who killed the people in the Colorado movie theatre, Adam Lanza who killed over 20 children in an act of rage by sincerely asking these individuals: What is your pain about? Why do you feel so much rage at your self and others? What is so wrong or missing in your life that you feel you have to resort to such violence? NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ME IS ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. I ask these questions because I see myself in each and every one of the individuals I just named and I am not ashamed or fearful to express or feel my dark side. YOU ARE HOWEVER JUST AS ALL THE FOLLOWERS OF THE HICK MATERIAL ARE. No one asks these questions to these people trapped in their resentment and rage simply because: NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW THE ANSWER, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE THESE INDIVIDUALS WHAT THEY REALLY NEED WHICH IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Can you do that Junior. BS No!!! All Abraham and Esther about is ME! ME! ME!, GETTING MORE FOR ME, MORE MONEY, BIGGER HOUSE, FASTER CAR, HIGH PAYING JOB, MORE MATERIAL THINGS, ME, ME, AND ME. That is the bottom line of Jerry and Esthers teachings. The only people who can truly benefit from the law of attraction and the teachings of Abraham are those people free of trauma, abuse, hateful thoughts and feelings, anger to the extreme, un forgiveness. YOU DON'T TELL A PERSON WITH A GUN WHO IS GETTING READY TO KILL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO JUST FOCUS ON THEIR JOY UNLESS THEY ARE AN IDIOT LIKE YOU. Your last series of lies begins with the statement: What Jerry and Esther are doing isn't bad. It is all in the framing. Let me tell you something Junior, why don't you put a happy frame around Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Tim McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer along with a smiley face and send it to the families of the people that were killed from their anger. I don't feel anger toward those individuals only a deep understanding of why they do what they do. But I DO FEEL ANGER TOWARDS YOU. Wrap your little frame around that fact. What Jerry and Esther did was bad because of the sincere suffering souls who reached out to them when no psychiatrist could help, no counselor, no worldly remedy could heal their pain, and they opened their hearts to this false entity believing they would find compassion, love, understanding, and an acknowledgment of their suffering. Instead they were given little simplistic lies of how you can just focus away from all your pain and suffering by focusing on JOY, JOY, JOY. How did it work our for you Jerry Hicks? One final note Little Junior: Don't ever think you were important enough for me to spend so much time in my reply. Your lies are important to me. No! this message is for many people who will see these words, mainly you Esther and the others still lost in their fog of confusion and actually believe in you. The Abraham Scam will eventually grind down to a bitter end for

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Should we take that as a "No" on the growing up thing? Well, never say you weren't asked to join the adult world. When you change your mind, and you will, the door will still be open. We'll be waiting.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Really, How do you know that I'm not 16 years old and have been thinking like this since day one without even knowing who Abraham-Hicks is? Secondly, how do you know how much success and happiness I've had with this type of thinking? As for fitting in with your definition of the "external world" the way you want me to...that's not my job. Not a single person on this planet is obligated to live up to your silly negative expectations to keep you happy That is your problem to figure out how to find your enjoyment. You own that as much as Jerry Hicks owned his happiness and his story. I prefer to grow up my way, thank you very much. :)

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: This is sophomoric simplemindedness, all the worse because, for you, it's voluntary. Most of us outgrow this sort of silliness as teenagers. If you're over sixteen, you need to get over it.And, congratulations, you've memorized Esther's entire mantra. Call back when you start thinking for yourself, using the rational mind evolution took all those years preparing.Anyway, to start with you primary statement, it's nonsense and always has been to claim that you me or anyone create our reality in full. All of it was here before you came and will be here after you leave. It's a world full of people, things, places and ideas. You didn't invent any of them, although your attitude toward them may contribute to your enjoyment of life or lack thereof. Nobody with a point of view as foolish as your presenting can enjoy anything more than the most trivial and superficial things in experience. In other words, you're shallow.To accept your point of view, one would have to believe that you created Zanzibar, the Indian Ocean and David Bowie. This is simply to stupid to even consider. There's an external world out there. Deal with it like a grownup, if you are one, and if you're not when you get to be one. The world needs grownups, lots of them, not believers in escapist nonsense like this. The world needs for you to be an adult.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Wow I was being sarcastic up there and you guys bit on it and chewed it up and made it your life. That's funny. :)Let me re-phrase. If you create your own reality, your own life story, you also create your own rules. Correct?I don't have any knowledge of what Jerry was thinking or doing his entire life. I simply acknowledge that he created his own life story. Jerry's story for himself stops where YOU begin, unless you decide you should chew on it incessantly and make it your own. Now instead you can create your own story right now, today! There are still some basic things that you go by...how you feel, don't worry be happy etc. Each day spend more and more of your time on good thoughts and release the negative emotions. This is all basic stuff.Now about Jerry and his cancer. That was HIS life, that was HIS experience and he owns it. We can never know the why's and causes of it or the course of events leading him to that conclusion...only he can know that. All we know is that it was part of his life story because in fact it did happen in his experience. We don't know what he did or did not do or the point he was trying to make in his story to the rest of the world. After all I'm sure you'll agree that this is your life and you can tell the story of it any way you want and Jerry and Ester also have that right. Most of all the world's problems seem to be caused by the "fight against _________". For instance America has become more fearful, more unhappy ever since "Fighting terrorism" which is the next level up from "fighting the drug war" became the mantra of this country. Ask the question. What causes terrorism and how do we solve it? Doesn't that sound better than an endless fight? Why not solve "climate change" by embracing the sun? Why not solve cancer by focusing on truly what makes people healthy? You win football by being great, be all you can be. Not by hating on the other team, being fearful and sorry for yourself.-Focus on being in good health instead of "losing weight"-Focus on love and appreciation instead of enjoying your anger and trying to make everyone join in on your anger. After all misery loves company which is really what this blog is about.-Focus on your happiness and allowing others to also find happiness in their own time instead of judging them or being jealous if they have it and you don't-Focus on your fun without harming others-Focus on more trees instead of less trees-Focus on having cleaner air instead of how many harmful chemicals are floating around in it.-Focus on the free life giving force of the sun instead of "oh no it can cause all these harmful things"It's all in the framing. What Jerry and Ester are doing isn't bad. They aren't forcing you to listen to them. They aren't forcing you to hand over your wallet. They aren't even forcing you to embrace their rules because after all "you create your own reality".Go outside guys and look at how soft and warm the sun is. Focus on fun.Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is your unalienable right that the universe wants to give you in abundance. Hec it's even written in the Constitution. Allow it to happen by appreciating your day, your life, your friends and family and the opportunities around you.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, thanks for asking. I am doing somewhat better these days since I am learning more and more on how to rely on my own inner feelings and insight. Truthfully my experience with Abraham has led me to not respect any teachers today: Dyer, Chopra, Course In Miracles, and I am fine with that. I would not recommend to anyone to look to channeled material for their spiritual growth. Glad to see this lens is still active and I hope you will be around for a long time to come.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Hey, Wayne. How are you? Remember how Esther used to say, "It's good to see the old ones go?" That stopped when it was her old one. Okay to be mean-spirited about strangers. Not so good when you cared for the one who died, even if he was you frustrating puppet master.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey there Mr or Mrs. Visitor: You are quite the psychic to have so much inside information on Jerry to know without a doubt that he: "Absolutely chose the age of 84 to croak a long time ago." Hey my grandmother in Florida lived to be 102 and at least she died with dignity and honesty instead of living her life as Jerry did in a scamming sham of dishonesty and hypocrisy. Jerry did not choose anything but lies and hypocrisy. CANCER chose him, not the other way. CROAKING was the inevitable result. Like Abraham used to say: "OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW." Better watch out Esther, you are not a Spring Chicken yourself.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: First, you obviously came here with an agenda because you jumped in with this silliness when it's totally out of context with the question asked.Now, second, what besides wishful thinking leads you to these curious conclusions? There isn't a shred of evidence that Jerry had any such issues and tons to indicate he was hung up on cancer at all. I guess that doesn't matter when all you want to do is defend a position, whether it makes sense (It doesn't.) or not.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Well it's obvious what was happening to Jerry. He worried about cancer way way too much in his life and crimped up his grid with it long before he knew of Abraham. Even then he probably still secretly worried about it more often than not. After all saying NO is almost as good as saying Yes. Getting the confirmation that one has cancer can cause anyone to fall out of their vortex. Conventional medicine is no doubt out of the vortex because you are trying to "force someone to have less cancer until it is gone". Conventional medicine doesn't focus on being healthy. Focusing on being healthy is in the vortex. Regardless of what you "think" you still have to eat healthy to be healthy and if you are in the vortex you'll know what you should eat (lots of fruits and veggies) Anyway I'm glad he had enough energy to get into a gondola with his family and go fly. Did he intend on "croaking" that way. Absolutely. He was 84 years old. He probably had chosen that number a long long time ago.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Almost everyone accepted the time frame Jerry first offered, but when it dawned on me that they'd sent out a prior "everything thing is great" email three days after he started chemo, I realized they were cooking the sequence. Then, I noticed his comment about regaining fifteen lost pounds, unusually careless of Jerry, and knew they were lying even more than we all suspected.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thanks Dave for helping me set the record straight regarding how I misjudged the amount of time.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: You're being generous, Wayne. It was a year he admitted to, but based on his already having lost 15 pounds by the time he tried to bluff with the spider bite thing and Esther's bizarre mean streak a year before, fair to say he was undergoing treatment for considerably longer.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hello Alisha: I guess Jerry Hicks was following his bliss when he contracted Leukemia, invested almost a year paying for conventional treatment, and then "Croaked". When you say you are grateful they are there. Who is "they" ? You mean Esther and Abraham? Cause Jerry is no longer among the "theys" in their scam. I guess Jerry is still out there chasing his bliss somewhere on the Causal Plain?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Since none of us live alone in the world, it all depends on where your "bliss" takes you and what it actually is. It sounds harmless, sort of air-headed, really, but who says my bliss might not be harmful to yours or someone else's well-being?The rest of what you wrote is New Age mumbo jumbo that doesn't really mean anything and is unsupported by real experience. At best, it's just silly.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      You can only see what your are ready to see. If you think the whole thing is a facade it is because you are simply not ready. Not matter how many times you read it. Until you are ready it is not going to make any difference. In any case you do not have to follow them or read them or do anything at all. I am just grateful they are there. The message is simple "follow your bliss", nothing wrong with that, is it?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: You're welcome, Wayne. There was a lot from this guy that followed. He seemed to think the article here is about me. A change the subject effort as we've seen from the Abers before. He got just as far they did with the ping pong match he wanted.Good luck with your new job!

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave: Thanks for "handling" the reply to "Looser and Winer". That was a classic. It is not even worth my time and effort to respond to this individual. I have been busy with starting a new job and have just now found the latest comment from Mr. "Winer". Thanks again for handling the trash detail.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @dellgirl: You're welcome. Nice to hear from you after so long.

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      dellgirl 4 years ago

      Thanks for sharing all this information on Abraham Hicks, very interesting.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sorry, "Tired of Loosers and Winers," since you're illiterate (It's probably "losers" and "whiners" you meant, but you can't spell or use a dictionary.), but you failed to provide any background for your claims.The simple fact is that, accord to Jerry himself, the first thing he did after having a biopsy (with a traditional doctor) is go in for what he called "heavy chemotherapy." That's his story, not mine, but of course, you probably don't read much either. Jerry never mentioned having tried any of his wife's cures or having taken any of her advice. He wisely ignored it, as I think anyone with half a brain should. Abraham's "teachings" on health are ludicrous, and Jerry knew it. What Esther does on stage is for sales. When it comes to the real world, they don't buy any of what they sell.Man, it would be great if my wife's artwork paid all of our bills. We're working on it. And, whether you like it or not, I spend my time writing, with four books in print and two more coming soon, and hundreds of online articles written for pay.Now that you have the bad news, settle down and work on learning to spell and write. You're as welcome as anyone else to publish your opinions. You'd do better with your passionate beliefs if you tried to organize and present them without angrily piggybacking on others efforts.Hey, I thought you Abers weren't concerned about what anybody else said? Happy, happy, happy, Esther claims. So, why are you so angry and worked up over anything Wayne or I wrote?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: You know that Jerry rain immediately to the medical community because you were there with him? Because ifi you time line all David's supposed "facts in truths", then David's story doesn't jive completely. Could it be that you and Dave are embellishing your stories somewhat to settle a perceived score against a dead man or you want to milk Jerry's story for all the dollars you can get out of it. Maybe you guys need to get real jobs. Yeah, yeah David you claim to be a writer and making a living at it. Truth is it is your wife and her art that is paying your bills and keeping a roof over your head. You spend hours promoting her art and products. David isn't a writer and Wayne, you just like to have sessions of feeling sorry for yourself when thing don't go your way.

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      waynewilliams57 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Elizabeth: Well at least one thing is for sure, you are just like all the other "followers" of the Hicks material in that you don't pay attention to what the real topic of this lens is about in the first place. The real topic is Jerry and Esther spending the last 27 years teaching that cancer and other physical illnesses manifest as a result of being out of alignment with one's inner being. Then when Jerry becomes ill with Cancer, he runs to the medical community and does not utilize the teachings of Abraham on how to correct physical illness and ends up dying from an illness he should have not "attracted" in the first place. Shallow and hypocritical would not even begin to describe. your short comings in thought, attitude, and ignorance. Stop by this lens again if you need another dose or two of truth about what Abraham really teaches. We'll keep the light of truth and "reality" on for you.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're wrong on almost every one of your points, Elisabeth, but as long as it makes you happy to be shallow and presumptuous, that's okay, right?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Everything you wrote sounds like such a tirade - I guess you are mad at yourself for what you are feeling right now, but want to blame others..... Well, I'm a follower of anything that makes me feel good without detriment to others - a wonderful gift the Hicks couple have/had, but that does not make me a follower of them or anyone else. What they said (and MANY other sources say the same) just makes simple sense.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you. I hope your mother's passing was graceful and accompanied by the kind of closure that helps loved ones go forward.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      What a special Lens. My mother died Aug 2012 from cancer :(

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      So we should respond to your question just to give you an opportunity to get slammed down by you? Oh, all praise to David Stone who speaks "great truth." If this comment ever sees the light of day, I am certain it will only be so that you can show off what you consider your superior mind while making sure everyone sees that I have been put in my place. :-p

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Silvio, I let you get away with posting out of context, but I'm not going to let you carry on with a ping pong match. So, this will be the last word here.Whether or not you use the "correct words, you veer into incoherent thinking in an attempt to salvage the A-H reputation. If you actually troubled yourself to read the content, you'd know that there never was a suggestion that "Nobody in the spiritual industry is allowed to die anymore," but what you would have read is Esther Hicks' claims that deterioration and illness were easily avoidable. We die by choice, she claims, as suicides when we want to, but not because illness of physical deterioration claims us." I find that irrational, based on the fact that nobody, among billions who have gone before us, has actually had the experience she claims we can have. Wouldn't you imagine five or ten would pull it off, or even one, even one of the gurus?Understanding that there are mysteries does not for a minute mean that anyone ever "got cured out of nothing." It just means we don't know what happened. That's why science and philosophy keeps looking. Some of us just believe it's better to try to know, to keep searching, than settle for magical thinking that fits the needs of lazy minds.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      May be, i didn't use the correct words. To distinguish is a main principle in philosophy. But i wanted to go in the direction of "adjudge". That's what i think, a spiritual person should't do. Sorry for the ambiguity, but my first language is German and in these language the word work as i intended. Second, I can teach stuff, although i'm not able to do all the things i say. The trainers often aren't as good as their trainees, especially in sports. You just have to know how it works. What's your point anyway? Nobody in the spiritual industry is allowed to die anymore? Nobody is allowed to use western medicine? There are a lot of examples in which people got cured out of nothing. So, it could be true. Generally, i look for my way, so i avoid to criticize in my view harmless stuff.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Usually, I delete comment that is out of context, as yours is, indicating that the writer just waited to make a statement without reading the content.But this one hits new lows that beg for comment.First, that "nobody is perfect" is obvious to anyone. "Very few are enlightened" is debatable, since I know quite a few people who are. But "If these two points were necessary to be a spiritual teacher, we would have no one to listen to anymore," is what you were getting at. So, then, why are you listening to and defending them? You final point was more tricky, if less literate: "we should learn to think for our selfs and for me that also means - don't judge." Don't judge is one of the stupidest mantras to a New Age Movement now flooded with stupidity and fueled by ignorance. I we don't judge, how do we decide between Elmer Fudd and Esther Hicks? Treat them as equals? Judging is how all of us get through life, from choosing foods to friends to leisure activities. Without judgment, we founder. Nobody does that, and nobody advocates such a position outside a cultist environment where nonsensical comment is lifted to the point of communal wisdom. Those who sincerely believe that the pursuit of new age philosophies and paths to insight can be valuable and worthwhile, as I do, would be well-advised to clean out some of the tacky rubbish before it pollutes the movement enough that nobody listens anymore.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Nobody is perfect. Very few are enlightened. If these two points were necessary to be a spiritual teacher, we would have no one to listen to anymore. Of course, we should learn to think for our selfs and for me that also means - don't judge.

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      Tolovaj Publishing House 5 years ago from Ljubljana

      No, I have never heard about Abraham-Hicks before, but I am sure, they had a lot of persuasive power. We can all find some people with this power who used it in their personal interest or in the interest of community. I think I'll pass experience with Abraham-Hicks. Thanks for sharing...

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Usually, I just delete comments like this that demonstrate that you have neither the courtesy of awareness to actually answer the question asked. But here you've so clearly demonstrated the false assumptions, misinformation and simple stupidity of the followers, I thought I'd use your comments as an example.Two of the names you cite are misspelled, and out of this eclectic, you manage to pull up two people (Seth Godin and Malcom X) who have nothing to do with the New Age spirituality Esther and Jerry have exploited. Your connecting them with the simplistic, narcissistic "teachings of Abraham" is mind-boggling enough to suggest you know nothing about either and pulled their names out of your butt. I ain't speaking for Gandhi, but I'd bet he'd find Esther and Jerry's work repulsive. That leave you Deepak Chopra and Anthony Robins. If you think Chopra is chiming in on the Hicks' nonsense, you might try reading his books. He actually does research and speaks from his spiritual readings of history, not belief systems for cash. True to form, AHP followers are utterly incapable of observing the fact that some people see the same thing and feel differently and honestly about it. The other person must have "missed the point." Usually, your associates just claim the person who disagrees is stupid or a hater or some such. The Hicks' message, as you call it, was lifted wholesale from the New Thought Movement from the first half of the Twentieth Century, a simple fact well-established and verified when their trademark claim for "law of attraction" was denied because they were not the least bit original with it. Thus, the clunky "vortex of attraction" for desperate types who can't let go.My "intent to spend so much time disclaiming them" may be amusing to you, but it's hardly wasteful. My writing about Esther and Jerry, which I find sort of boring at this point, occupies less than 10% of what I publish, but over 50% of what people read. Interest is heavy and many come by and read, and some go away unimpressed and others feel they are helped. I get paid to write, in case you don't get it, and any writer worth a dime, writes what is reliable and interests readers. Period.As regards your advice about what I should write, where did you ge the idea that I (or anyone else) would listen to advice from someone who can't be bothered to spell Gandhi correctly and cluelessly uses the great Malcom X as an example of something he had nothing to do with, having died more than a decade before Esther and Jerry even met. Now, the rest of you A-H rescuers, please be smart enough to read the question before answering, if it's not too tough for you.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      David... in reading your articles about the Hicks it is very clear that you have missed the point. Whether you believe in the experience of Jerry and Esther is irrelevant. The words and teachings they offer are not unlike any other teachings from the numerous spiritualists and gurus of our time. i.e, Depok Chopra, Anthony Robins, Seth Godin, Gandi, Malcom X, etc... The Hick's message is what is important. The tools they offer to help people guide themselves through life is important. And, it is all is keeping with the words and ideologies of the people I just mentioned. Your intent to spend so much time disclaiming them is rather amusing and yet extremely wasteful. If you were to take the time you spent writing all these negative articles and wrote about something that truly inspired and motivated your readers, perhaps you might be happier yourself!

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      kathysart 5 years ago

      I've read their stuff, gleaned what felt good to me, felt blessed by that, and discarded what didn't.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      There are four of you I need to address since I stated the crisis I was in back on Feb 1 and they are Claire, Clarity, Ahnalira, and David Stone. And there is one other: Margarita from Italy who commented to me back on January 5th. I have not forgotten any of you and have just been busy in trying to decide if it is in my best interest to move the 600 miles back to Florida. I appreciate all of your comments and I feel deeply sorry that I have not gotten back to you all yet. I will respond fully to all of you when I feel settled and more at ease and have more time. Things are stressful right now. Thanks to the ones who supported me: Dave Stone, Claire, Clarity, Ahnalira. And thanks to you Margarita for your reply from Italy. I will respond in the coming days.

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      davidangel 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: You are absolutely correct, I am not your teacher, nor am I qualified. I can only relay what I have learned via the intellect. Nor am I your preacher, again, I can only relay what I have learned via meditation (practical use of the intellects learnings) and by following my/the heart to God. What you, or anyone else does with this information is irrelevant to me personally, I subjectively know that finding God (Self) as Love ends all suffering and that sooner or later everyone realizes this too, therefore, I have no vested interest in outcomes, I can only continue to love you, as I love this pages lensmaster, as I love all who have commented here, as I love all squidoo members... and beyond.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @davidangel: To David Angel: Your words were not well received by me. I don't need you giving me your advice of what you think may work for me just because it worked for you. It was always my awareness from day one that my spirit, soul, or mind was what needed healing and I resisted every attempt by psychiatrists and counselors who wanted to use medication. Maybe you need to read my comments more deeper. You are in no way and will never be qualified in this life or any other to be my teacher or advice giver in the ways of healing. If I need a sermon I know where a church is. Just clam it.

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      davidangel 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Healing occurs on 3 levels, body, mind and spirit. The body is on the bottom rung, followed by the mind and at the top is spirit (or consciousness). The hand does not move unless the mind commands it so the body is subject to what is in your mind. Nor can the body experience itself, the senses are registered in the mind. The mind does not think unless you are conscious (ever had thoughts in a state of non-dreaming deep sleep? do brain waves register in dead people?) so the mind reports what is going on in the body to spirit and can only think about what is in your consciousness. Contrary to popular belief your body is not the source of life, it is merely an effect of life, life continues after the body as pure spirit. To recapitulate; the spirit is closest to your true self (Soul), only what is in your consciousness can be thought about in mind and what is held in mind is reflected in the body. After reading through all your comments, Wayne, it would seem as if you have tried healing at the body level through doctors and therapists and when that did not work you tried healing at the level of the mind through phsyciatry and meta-physics and that has not worked for you either. It is highly probable that any method of healing that only addresses your body and/or mind and does not address your spirit will fail. Meditation is the key, by stilling the restless body and focusing the desperate mind you can address your spirit directly and ask God for help. I will not lie to you, this might not be easy, you are going to have to believe in God, you are going to have to believe that God is Love and only Love, you are going to have to admit that you need Gods help and above all you are going to have to be willing to change. All these things I have done/admitted myself and through deep meditation and unwavering prayer I have discovered the truth - that God is only Peace and Love, everything else is an illusion, aka maya, aka an anthropomorphic construct of the ego. To believe otherwise is to suffer and to realize this truth is to be free. If medications help - take them, the meta-physic guys all preach happy thoughts - so be positive, but above all learn to meditate, heal your spirit, the mind and body must follow suit. Blessings to you my friend, Love David

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Dear Wayne,Meditation helps me. For me, it is a soft "place" of comfort and respite in a world whose sharp edges and harsh realities is sometimes to much for my sensitive soul. Another activity that helps me is exercise - especially walking in nature. Being in nature helps me feel connected to Life at times when I feel isolated from people. We humans are full of judgments. It's part of our condition. My promise to you is that I will always do my best to "listen" to what you write with an open heart. I am gladdened to read that you made to the choice to live this time, and I will continue to support you to find ways to cope and feel better.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: "I cannot take your pain, but I do care that you are in pain.Ahnalira" That was very lovingly said. Wayne, Feeeeel the love and care from us here. It's as real as it gets.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Wayne, the truth is: Thousands and thousands care. You just aren't able (like most with your experience!) to connect with those who do~! I understand so well how it can certainly feel like no one cares.I know. You spoke almost verbatim for *4* of my closest family members. Bless your heart, sincerely, and the hearts of all those like you (4 of which I dearly love). One of my loved ones wrote a letter to "Abraham"---4 pages--describing his life-long situation so similar to yours...a lifetime of agony trying to live in this world with a constellation of disorders, the ineffectual treatments and meds, the *impossibility* of stopping the negative and horrific thoughts that were "thinking him," involuntary and uncontrollable thwarting. On and on in great and lucid detail, asking...pleading for Abraham to explain what those like him were to do. Those paralyzed from the neck up. Abraham actually read the letter and gave him the *personal* message that he had no chemical imbalances or even disorders, just a habit of negative thought. I was afraid we were going to lose him! The cruelty and consequences of "their" response were immeasurable.Your words perfectly described it: "Abraham, metaphysics, and new age teachings have left me nothing but a legacy of self hatred, blame, resentment of others, dislike of self, contempt of God, I hate what I have become a suffering expression of humanity." EXACTLY! He became suicidal.In the very next workshop after that personal response, a hotseater kept after Abraham to help him deal with terrible, debilitating panic attacks. "Abraham" just blew him off. Of course! He just needed to think different thoughts! I had been a 10-year avid Abraham student, but I knew then there was no "higher" information coming through Esther and that these kinds of problems were too much for her...AND...that SHE HAD NO HEART. Get rid of this hotseater! The show must go on!Wayne, there are so many (more everyday) who suffer the same or much the same as you...who have searched and searched for help...that is NOT to trivialize your suffering w/the various disorders/conditions, BUT TO ASSURE YOU that each of those individuals care and just as importantly, most every loved one of these many care as well...hearts torn again and again as we (the loved ones) watch our beloveds suffer without effective help...beautiful, talented lives and wonderful hearts wasting.Dave, your care is evident. Your responses are always well-intended and appropriate. Your attitude is WONDERFUL to provide hope and remind William to look within. That IS the BEST advice...it's just that when things are as bad as William describes, it can be almost impossible. I'm so "up close and personal" to four others like William that I have to add for William's sake, that looking within is possible, but almost impossible to find the answer even in that best place. Only because these dear ones (who ache for a "normal" life) started looking there and when nothing helps, go back to looking there. Initially, they learn the answer, if there, is obscured by their own looking because that looking involves the automatic thinking and distortions that prevent the "seeing." Then, they go looking elsewhere. If all the searches fail, then they return to redouble the efforts of finding their own answer within. By that time, William described it, "self hatred, blame, resentment of others, dislike of self, contempt of God, I hate what I have become a suffering expression of humanity" is what they find.PLEASE don't think I'm supporting hopelessness, or implying there's nothing to be done or bettered. I'll always have hope without end. I'm just trying to let William know that I (and my loved ones) understand FULLY what he's saying. It can seem like no one cares and that there's no hope. However, Dave, your suggestion to meditate is certainly valid and do-able, if very limited. This loved one we almost lost after Abraham, has started meditating---it took many tries to keep that mind quieted down for even 1-2 minutes...many more tries to get to 3-5 minutes. I think 10 minutes is about the max,...but he has felt a difference in his experience--enough to notice. That avenue may provide some breakthroughs, some relief.If I had the millions necessary, I would find some way for those like you, Wayne, and my 4 loved ones to connect, share, find those who truly care and experience mutual, compassionate support. What a tremendous blessing that would be for all involved.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      To the following people: Dave Stone, Ahnalira, and Clarity:I appreciate the kind messages of support and concern from all three of you. I am sure there were other replies that I did not see that Dave may have deleted out of concern for me. If that is so, I greatly appreciate you doing so. I will consider all you have shared with me and actually have been considering the practice of meditation, something I strayed away from 20 years ago. I have been terrified the past few hours, afraid to check my email out of fear of what responses I might find from Squidoo. But now I feel relieved, and for now I choose to remain alive. I am seriously thinking of moving 600 miles back down to central Florida to be closer to all that is familiar and my original place of birth in this life. Loneliness in not a good thing.I thank each one of you and any others I may have missed who have supported me in this painful time and these tragic moments. I definitely feel better and I am grateful to each and every one of you. Thank you for not responding to me in judgment.Love, Wayne

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Shit Wayne...I care. I just don't know what to say but I'm racking my brain to see if there is something I've stumbled on that might help.All I can say for now is I care that you live. This is so far out of my league and I offer this half heartedly bc you have prolly tried them all...but I have a few friends who battled with lifelong depression, meds, all of it. Finally this one particular couple kept knocking on diff doc's doors till one tried diff meds..didn't work...try another. Finally the right one was found and they 'came alive'. It takes a doc willing to do more than standard here's your script, pay at the front, bye. Shit Wayne, just shit. Don't take yourself out...please.love,Clarity~

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Dear WayneNo matter what happens from this point on, know this - you touched peoples' lives by coming here and sharing your story. You touched my life. In sharing with the honesty you do, I learn something about loving myself and others in all moments, dispairing and angry moments included. I learn because you are willing to teach me. You are my teacher.Remember that. Remember that you matter to me. Even though we'll most likely only know each other through the written word here, I consider you one of my comrades on the road of personal discovery.I cannot take your pain, but I do care that you are in pain.Ahnalira

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: I can tell you, without hesitation, that I care and so do plenty of others, some of whom read and comment here. I can only imagine your pain, and others may have better advice. But the way to a better life is inside you. Teachers can guide, but when they hook you, you are disempowered.It's a simple suggestion, but try a daily meditation, at least a half-hour, that begins with your asking for healing and insight. It takes trust I know, but you have the answer in you. On a more practical level, you might find reading Gary Zukov's "Dancing Wu Li Masters" helpful in giving you a broader view with less painful focus on yourself. Send me a private message, if you like, but please let me know how you make out.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      I feel pretty sad and hopeless these days due to recent painful events. I thought I would leave these words because truthfully, I do not believe I will find a way out of the darkness this time, and so I guess that is way the final chapter will play out.Abraham, metaphysics, and new age teachings have left me nothing but a legacy of self hatred, blame, resentment of others, dislike of self, contempt of God, I hate what I have become a suffering expression of humanity.I know I am straying from the purpose of this lens, and Dave you don't have to post it if you feel it is way off. I needed much more than what Abraham had to offer. I deluded myself into thinking that someone as seriously disturbed as myself could find healing through this material. I was wrong as usual and now have a painful price to pay. To be constantly subjected to the message: "As long as you beat the drum of what you don't want or beat the drum of what is currently going on in your life that you don't like, it cannot get any better." That message does not nothing helpful for me except push me further into hopelessness, anger, and suicidal despair. If I or other negative people could stop the thinking and behavior that got us where are, we would have done it years ago.You see, I ended up reaching out to the Abraham teachings, A Course In Miracles, Unity Church, Ramtha, Seth, Lazaris, and the new age community because after 25 years of being treated by conventional therapists, psychiatrists, medication, being hospitalized, nothing was working. So let me say it once and for all: A PERSON WHO IS ADVANCED ENOUGH TO BE INVOLVED IN METAPHYSICAL TEACHINGS OF ANY FORM IS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER GOING TO RECEIVE BENEFIT AND ONLY HARM FROM PROFESSIONAL THERAPISTS. They are all useless and dangerous. If you want to die and end up like me, then ignore my words. I have been on this ragged edge of insanity now going on for 32 years. I came to Abraham and the other metaphysical teachers because like I said, the conventional therapists never worked from day one and made me sicker than I ever was before.No one with serious mental disorders, depression, borderline personality disorder, psychosis has any business being around metaphysical teachers. You will come away with nothing but an increase in shame, guilt, fear, and a self hatred of not only yourself, but God and people around you.There is not one legitimate teacher on this planet or in the non physical, and this does include Jesus that can help one such as I. If you look around you see murder, suicide, murder-suicide, and rampant acts of violence on the rise. No one has the insight to understand much less be a healing force in face of this madness. It has taken me 55 years to finally accept that realization. If you are a disturbed person in this world with serous anger and rage problems, loneliness, anti social behavior, an inclination towards being violent you are in a sad state like me. No one wants to help you and will despise you until hell freezes over the day you snap and hurt someone or kill them. No one will love you and any relationship you are lucky to find, will be taken from you by the self destructive energies in your being.This people like Wayne Dyer, Alan Cohen, Deepok Chopra, Esther Hicks, Tony Robbins, and others are making millions and there is not one of them who could give a !@#T about you and your pain. People with serious mental disorders need help and lots of it and there is no one at this capable of helping the violently ill and insane. The truth is: No One Cares.

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      davidangel 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: I mention those 3 items as valid tools for the serious seeker of God, without an enlightened Master to guide you, finding God and the answers within is very difficult if not impossible. Muscle testing, when done properly, is like having an enlightened Master at your fingertips. The ACIM workbook (not the text) and Kriya Yoga also fall into this category having been validated by an enlightened Master.

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      davidangel 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: You are most welcome. Dr Hawkins warns about the danger of channeled entities, that they do not have our best interests in mind and virtually all of them calibrate below the critical level of Truth. Blessings to you on your journey, may you never be misled again.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @davidangel: David: Just an observation. You state the answers are within. Yet you use an external technique created by David Hawkins based on his own scale that he has devised to discern what is deemed as truth or untruth. Then you mention the Course In Miracles in which Jesus tells the student; "Your own advice to yourself will hurt you." Or, only the Holy Spirit knows what you truly need. Then you mention the Self Realization Fellowship. For a fellow like yourself to claim the "answers are within", you sure do rely on a lot of external props.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @davidangel: Thanks, David, especially for mentioning David Hawkins. Friends of mine who consider him a teacher rave about him.

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      davidangel 5 years ago

      @anonymous: "The answers are within you" is the best advise you can get, any true teacher has discovered this and will lead you in that direction. I use the muscle testing technique as presented by Dr David R Hawkins to discern Truth, also A Course In Miracles works and lastly the Self-Realization Fellowship teaches Kriya Yoga (since 1920 I might add). I agree with DaveStone - "Guidance is great, but it should lead you into yourself."

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      All of these evangelists of new thought are pointing the way to a new challenge in religion. The real conquest is the marriage of science and religion. I got from Tony Robbins the way to cure my psychological misapprehensions. This is all Tony has to offer it is a great piece of work but then how does he support himself. New followers like a restaurant. The ideal of the secrete and Abraham Hicks only pointed me to Particle Physics and the work done in "what the bleep do I know". It is a quest you never stop learning there are only stepping stones. Anything else would be boring.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: M. Elena: Thanks for your reply. I will reply to you fully later when I have more time. But first I wanted to address Ed. It seems Ed has turned out to be a Sock Puppet after all. Ed, I was pretty suspicious of you the other day when you posted on January 3rd pretending to be misled by the Abraham teachings and other teachers. So I decided I would give you the benefit of the doubt by believing briefly that you were genuine and that you felt betrayed by the Abraham teachings. But now I see the real you. Now I could still be mistaken and you may be yet "another Ed." But I doubt it. I am slow I admit but even a blind squirrel finds a nut ever now and then.You see, "The big Deal" for Jerry in how he chose to leave this physical realm as you call it is that he and Esther lied and tried to cover up the fact he was sick to begin with. So THAT IS THE BIG DEAL ED. I agree this might be hard for you to grasp, but I will give it a try.On page 135 of Abraham's Book: Money and The Law of Attraction, Abraham had this to say: "Illness is caused by giving thought to unwanted topics, feeling negative emotion but ignoring it, and then continuing to focus upon unwanted until by law the Law of Attraction brings more negative thoughts and experiences are attracted. Illness exists when you disregard the early subtle signs of misalignment that come in the form of emotion."So you see Ed, :"I know you don't" but this is why Jerry dying of cancer is a big deal because after 25 years of 24 hour access to Abraham and these teachings Jerry "The Master" should be in total control of his thoughts, vibration, and negative emotion that led to his cancer should have never been. As far as giving advice to M. Elena, come on Ed, give it a rest. You are not in any position to offer advice on how to receive well being.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: M. Elena, I agree with you, let me add Edgar Cayce "burned out" due to all his reading during WWII and Shunryu Suzuki "Beginners Mind" also died of cancer. The important question is, did you get anything from the teachings. I did. I found great value in some of the Ramtha "White Book". I found peace in much of what Abraham said. I see both copying a lot from Seth. I have revisited Seth and I see value in much of what he says. As Ramatha said these are runners, guides, to your spiritual journey. While the journey is personal and singular, if it brings peace, joy and growth, then it is the right thing for the particular reader( seeker). I appreciate the struggle that Jane Roberts had with the experience. I did not see her trying to make money from the gift. While I know that "without leaving your house, you can know the world" I welcome any insight that contributes to my journey. How the teachers chose to transition is not important to me. I do believe that the soul is indistructable and eternal so what is the big deal about how we leave this physical realm.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just as a side-note ~Doctors have studied multiple personality patients. One personality will have diabetes, another will not. One personality will have glaucoma, another not. One will be farsighted, another nearsighted. Is this true or did the docs make it up to confuse us even more *grin*Things that make you go ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm~

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Wayne William. In line with your disappointment with Jerry Hicks going for conventional treatment and ignoring the Abraham teachings......I cannot tell you enough how I have had your same perplexities, So many of the people whose teachings I admired ended up getting sick and dying of cancer when their teachings spoke about the non-power of physical illnesses and that we were to realize and manifest our true perfection. I started this journey with a long delving into Christian Science...whose principles I adored but was shocked when a dear friend and pracitioner died after a long illness with dementia....she herself had seemed to have stuck to the principles...and had sternly disciplined her thinking all her days....so why should this have happened. The same shock when I went to Ramana's ashram in India and heard that he had died of cancer and suffered. Krishnamurti ...(I believe) had a similar end. As you mentioned Jerry Hicks after being involved and obviously believing and practicing the Abraham Teachings for so long got sick like this as well as Jane Roberts (Seth) and also after studying the Course of Miracles for quite some time one day, I found out about the last years of Schucman...how could the person channeled this material have come to this end as The Course of Miracles talk about perfection and that healing is possilbe metaphysically....What is one to believe anymore.?....I do believe these teachings, including Abraham have all been enlightening at times and I really wouldnt want to judge them...but it was interesting to see that someone on the other side of the world had had these similar thoughts and queries.It seems sometimes that the more you chop and change on a spiritual path ...looking for truth that you get confused.M.Elena (Italy)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: It is natural to seek help outside of us. But I also believe that within all that smell there are understandings that resounate within my spirit. With all the pitfalls, I gained much wisdom and I could not go back to the Christian thing, you have both helped me chart a course through internal guidance. Thank you

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Thank you, Wayne. Very well said indeed. I want to add that if someone is demanding money for spiritual enlightenment, then that skunk you mentioned might just be right there next to the "teacher". Asking for donations to continue to keep the lights on, etc, feels different to me. But only those who can afford the teaching may receive them? Stinky. "Abraham" used the excuse that, and I quote, "We don't want to teach the babies", in other words, if you can't manifest the money to go to a workshop, you just aren't advanced enough. I feel so very much better now, admitting and working through all emotions, whether they are wanted or not, that the total avoidance method that just encourages stuffed feelings and guilt over any thought that isn't "Lollypop Joy". Plus my marriage, nearly decimated by the Abe teachings, is better that it has ever been, and I see much less anxiety in my youngest son.It's not only okay to have troubles in this life, it is reality. Ups, downs, and in-betweens. Work Honestly through your own feelings, talk things out with your spouse, and admit your truths, even the ugly ones. For me, I am discovering that the darkest parts of m nature aren't really that dark. What a relief!XoxoCarol Simsak

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hello Ed: You are the first and "only person" I have ever come across in this lifetime who has been perplexed, bewildered, felt betrayed, and who comes away feeling mislead, possibly in a worse state than you were before after being exposed to the teachers you mentioned. I mean you are the only person except me..I am familiar with Abraham and have been in the hot seat. I have read Ramtha, attended channeling events by Lazaris,(Jach pursel), invested six years with A Course In Miracles, read almost all of the Seth books, and many others. I asked the question you asked. For example: "How can Helen Schucman who spent 7 years channeling A Course In Miracles teaching that suffering is an illusion, end up dying of pancreatic cancer and spending the last 2 years of her life in a psychotic depression? Abraham was my latest spiritual endeavor. Jane Roberts kept a low profile and many people including me did not hear about her death until years after she was gone. I have asked the questions you have asked for over 30 years and still ask them daily. I have yet to find any answer that satisfies me. Being a hypocrite in metaphysics (not you) is the "order of the day" , excuse the Abraham pun. Hypocrisy abounds everywhere in this realm of teaching. I first discovered this "talking but not living what you preach" in the Unity Church based in Missouri. It would seem that the people who follow Abraham, A Course In Miracles have no moral compass or could care less about what behavior they exhibit which is almost in direct opposite of what they proclaim to teach.In Ramtha's case, imagine a spiritual teacher such as this going around telling his followers that: " I SLAUGHTERED MY WAY TO ENLIGHTENMENT.". Ramtha brags about the thousands he allegedly killed as a great and noble warrior during his only lifetime upon this Earth 60,000 years ago. Don't believe this garbage my friend. Trust your feelings. If you smell a skunk, then chances are IT IS A SKUNK. The human ego is a slimy and greedy device capable of unlimited destruction upon other people, the planet, and life in general. I was never a person who could take what I like and leave the rest while watching the teacher behave in questionable ways like J.Z. Knight, Jach Pursel, Helen Schucman, Esther and Jerry. Dave is right in that teachers should lead you to your own wisdom. And you should always speak up and even complain when you see someone like Esther, Jerry, Jane Roberts not living up to the standards of their teaching. Everyone in the world will tell you are a fool, or misguided to speak in the ways you do. Do not yield to them. Speak your own truth regardless if it is tainted with anger or disappointment. One thing Seth at least said was: "When you are feeling negative emotion such as anger, do not apply a positive affirmation over it as a way to offset the way you are feeling." Seth warned you were heading for trouble if you tried to ignore the negative. The teachings of Abraham make feeling negative a no no and that you should avoid all negative feeling and emotion. It did not work out to well for Jerry Hicks however.Speak how you feel and be truthful at every opportunity regardless of how unpopular it may make you feel. That will be your path to understanding.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you DaveStone13, you are right the answers are within us.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: The answer, Ed, is to not think of spiritual as "out there," but as a part of everyday life we all experience. Teachers always help, but if they can't immediately show me something exceptional or profound, I'd avoid any that claim to have otherworldly resources to which they have exclusive access.Why, for example, would Esther Hicks be singled out? Her "insights" are ordinary, always borrowed from a previous source (as is her technique.) The others you mention are not well-known to me, except Jesus and he's been dead so long, there is no absolute source about him and what he believed anyway. I tried to read Ramtha, but was bored pretty quicklya sure sign that nothing interesting was going on.The teachers I've learned most from are Eckhardt Tolle, Wayne Dyer (although he has damaged his credibility by endorsing every quack that waddles out of Louise Hay's house, and especially Deepak Chopra. But inevitably, it's you and your willingness to trust your own spiritual instincts that matter. Guidance is great, but it should lead you into yourself.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have on a spiritual journey since I was twelve and thought for awhile that Abraham was the real thing. As time passed and nothing seemed to help I started to lose the passion. I stopped altogether when they went "live" at $75 a pop. I realized it was about the money. I went back to Seth, but wonder it that too is a scam. He talked about health yet looked at Jane Robert's death. Is there a way of understanding? I can't go back to Jesus or Ramtha etc. Was all of this a hoax?

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Dear Charmcat: Thanks so much for the kind reply. If everyone in this world treated each other with the respect that you have shown, there would be no need for Abraham, Lazaris, Seth, A Course In Miracles, and others. It is the disrespect shown by Esther and Abraham and their insensitivity that did me in. I would give almost anything to sit back in that hot seat and say to everyone exactly how I felt and how disappointed I was in Abraham's words to me.People just want to be treated with love and respect. People want to receive something of value for their time and money and effort. In this lifetime I have received very little of either. Thanks again for your kind and supportive comments. I wish you well. Sorry for the delay in posting this. Been rather busy the past few days.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      To waynewilliams57, your last comment really helped clear up something for me. I had feeling there were people who were in the hot seat who didn't feel they were being helped but played along anyway. I remember watching the dvds and live streaming and wondering about some of them. They nodded and seemed to agree, but they still looked so unhappy. If I was ever in the hot seat and didn't feel myself moving into the vortex by what Abraham said, I sure would have gone along with it. It would seem too scary to me to say anything and anyway Ester would have just blamed it on me . I find it strange that Abraham, or Ester, can't read people better. I found your life story very moving and I think you are very courageous, and honest and I wish the very best for you

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have been giving my attention to the Abraham material for about 4 years now ,mostly through u tube, a few books and a couple of purchased cds. the information helps me to stay positive and focused as a single mom trying to raise an "adhd" teenager with numerous criminal arrests, recently fighting a heroin addiction. . i am working as a postal clerk trying to support us while dealing with the chaos of working for a system on the verge of collapse . I certainly am in no place to to judge anyone . All I know is "abraham" got me through some very dark days And I cried when I heard Jerry died. Love you Jerry. Thankyou

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      I came to know the Abraham Hicks material after hearing Alan Cohen speak of their value and also by way of Wayne Dyer who claims to be a huge fan of their teachings. I will have to say I care not for the writings of Cohen or the work that Dyer has done including his PBS programs, but I regarded both of these authors at the time to be reputable.I first picked up the book: Ask and It Is Given at a Books A Million store in Brunswick, GA where I was living at the time in August 2006. Truthfully, I was impressed with the book at first and felt what I thought was hope for the first time in years that something might work for me. This was to be a short lived feeling however.My personal background was one of extreme mental depression beginning in 1981 and resulting in being hospitalized 13 times in different psychiatric hospitals from 1982 through 2003. There have been none since 2003. I have been to over 300 counselors and therapists, psychiatrists, practitioners, healers, psychotherapists. They were all useless and outright destructive and caused much more massive damage after my exposure to these people. My life has basically been a living hell for the past 30 years. I am no stranger to metaphysics. I read hundreds of psychology books in the early eighties, then started going to Unity Church. I spent 6 years studying A Course In Miracles, read all of The Seth Books, attended a workshop at Ken Keyes College in Coos Bay Oregon, attended workshops by Lazaris, allegedly channeled by Jach Pursel, another great scam artist. This list does not even begin to touch on the many avenues I tried to find help. Abraham was just the latest.My time with Abraham was actually pretty short. While reading Ask And It Is Given, I attended my first live workshop in Asheville, NC in October 2006. I was impressed at first. Two weeks later I attended another workshop in Tampa, FL on November 1, 2006. I grew up in Florida by the way but was living in Georgia at the time. During the Tampa workshop I was called to the Hot Seat. You can hear me on Disc four of the Tampa, Fl workshop November 1, 2006. I was in the hot seat nearly 30 minutes. I was the STAR of the day. At the end of the workshop I was sitting in the lobby and Esther walked by and saw me and actually came over and spoke to me for about 30 seconds. Oh was I special. And then to top it off I was walking to my hotel room in Tampa and ran into Jerry and spoke to him for every bit of 15 seconds.After the Tampa workshop, I knew I would never come back to another workshop and that this material was dangerous to me, but the damage had been done. If you listen to the recording, it will sound like I was actually happy and being helped. The audience roared and applauded my presence and my responses to Abraham. Like I said, I was the STAR for the day. While sitting in the hot seat I was filled with rage and hate myself because I was too scared to admit it or tell Abraham how I really felt to what they were saying. I even convinced myself I was happy as Abraham was trying to raise my vibration. On the 5 hour trip back I slammed my fist into the dash of my rental car and spewed and hatred and profanity like I have never experienced before. I have never felt the intensity of hatred I felt that day for allowing myself to be manipulated and not saying how I really felt about Abrahams advice and guidance. And oh, did I mention all the pretty women, about 100 of them who came up and hugged me and adored over me? Like I said I was SPECIAL that day.Even though my workshops ended there I would still be hooked into this material for another 4 years through books and recordings. I ended up reading: Ask And It Is Given, The Law of Attraction, A New Beginning I, A New Beginning II, The Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent, and Money and The Law Of Attraction. I remember during the Christmas season of 2008 I spent about $400.00 on recordings and drove to a lodge in the North Georgia Mountains where I live now to spend two weeks studying and digesting what I thought would be a healing retreat. I got about 30 minutes into the first recording and turned off the CD player, and that was the last time during the next two weeks I turned it on. Just like the other times, I got upset when I heard Esther joke about Croaking or when I heard the audience laughing at some poor fool who brought a serious question to the hot seat only to be laughed at for the first 2 minutes and then to get up later without the question ever really being addressed. I was fed up. I HATE LISTENING TO ABRAHAM IN LIVE WORKSHOPS OR IN RECORDINGS. I am the type of person who gives everything I have to something before giving up in vain, and this material was no exception. It had to work!!! It had to many positive endorsements. I must be a failure I concluded. I could not find a peep of negative information being said of Esther and Jerry during this time period. So I just suffered and fell into resentment and hatred of Esther and Jerry. The Abraham Material is dangerous to anyone with any type of mental problems, depression, serious health issues. But I am going to stick with the mental because that has been my battleground. I came to their teachings because I failed to get help in the traditional methods supplied by the world and fell into the trap of Abraham, an all wise and knowing being. The Abraham material can only be utilized by people who are for the most part high functioning individuals free from any trauma or abuse or who want nothing from the material except how to manifest money. Jerry Hicks is dead because he fell victim to his own negative thinking and could not escape from it, so he checked out.I know this was a long post. I hope to address the specific teachings in another post that adversely affected me.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: charmcat, it's all about Esther now and her trying to vindicate indefensible actions, so that she can continue the circuit and get the money flowing again. She seemed incapable of seeing the harm she was doing to Jerry and wants to fluff it off as ultimately adorable. This is what Kyra predicted, and she was right on. She understands what's happening.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ok, I just gotta bite. Please, please Visitor, casual Abraham user, tell me Why are you commenting here??? And if dear Barb or who ever sent you, Why, why do they need to send you??? What does Abraham say about pushing against? And if you are so sure of the teachings of Abraham, why do you need to " gently " defend them? You can't possibly trust the teachings. And I wouldn't trust anyone who sent me to defend a belief system that should need no defending. What can it possibly matter to an Aber that people find fault with Abraham. Hey, we are sooo out of the vortex here, what possible interest can we have for you? Why are you risking contamination. Why are you stepping outside your vortex? And hey man, if it is ok with you that Jerry just checked out after having chemo and who knows what else, rather than " happy, healthy, happy, healthy, dead, what is it to you if some of us think his death points up Abraham's teachings are faulty? Don't you realize how bad you make Abraham look?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Very well written, charmcat. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Very well written, charmcat. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Hard to get what "not like a hardcore Abraham follower" means, but you follow the template of several others who are editing their comments to get accepted and at this point, then trying to deflect suggestions about Esther's encouraging people to "shun conventional medicine."If you're not "a hardcore Abraham follower," how can you make claims about what Esther has "never said?" You're one of the sock puppets they send over, right? Tell Marc and Barbara they've gotten better, but they still aren't good at it.There's much more in addition to the above quotes you've decided to ignore. Clever as Esther is, she avoided the liability of telling listeners to shun conventional medicine. It might've been illegal too. But try to answer this: if telling listeners that Abraham could heal any person of any illness in less than an afternoon by simply holding them in "suspension" isn't belittling conventional medicine what is? If telling listeners that anyone could be cured of any disease in, at most, a few days, but changing their vibration, isn't that claiming to be a far better method than doctors and nurses?And, if you can wiggle out of those, ask yourself why Jerry, with immediate 24X7 access to Abraham, ran immediately to conventional medicine. In all their news bulletins, they never mentioned him even considering the cures they'd sold the public for decades. And you know why. They know, just as you and I do, that it's hooey, plain and simple.Or, maybe, you'll take the out that one Aber tried: she claimed that Jerry wanted to die and, get this, do so via chemotherapy. Cool, huh? An answer for everything. A pretty cool philosophy that gets you an out for every behavior. And a la-di-da happy one, too.

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      @anonymous: Theresa, why did you even comment? I was once an avid aber and would have never dreamed of commenting on this website, if I even found it. First of all, even a hint of something negative about abraham would have me turning away as fast as possible and assuring myself that anyone questioning Abraham was so far out of the Vortex, they wouldn't hear me and I certainly did not want to hear them. Now to get to this place to comment, you had to scroll down past a lot of raised issues with the Abraham teachings. Why did you keep scrolling down? Doesn't Abraham teach that the second something feels bad, to turn away? The only reason I did start reading all these so called negative blogs and comments, here and at at Kya's sites was the whole thing about Jerry's illness and the evasion and the canceling of workshops with no explaination made me start to wonder on my own. Something didn't feel right. And it was at first really hard for me to admit the evidence these people had found, I had to read what they had written over and over again to let it sink in. I had to read about a man who's mother had died trying to use the Abe way and another son said his mother tried to create things using the Abe method and ended up killing herself when it didn't work. Abraham has said repeatedly, that when the medical community understands vibration, then they will be on to something. Years ago Abe said that you could measure or know the vibration of where a person was by the disease, that cancer was in the feeling hopeless emotion /vibration and heart attacks were at the anger vibration and going up the emotional scale to a cold or flu which was at frustration or something similar. Jerry feeling hopeless for a long time? Look I feel the reason you needed to comment is that some part of you doubts Abraham. I know I did when I kept reading all the evidence against the teachings. And it has been a painful journey but oh, the pay off is so welcome. It is way better than the alleged vortex. I feel alive again, and clear minded in a way that was impossible in Abraham. And a missing part of me returned, that was so welcome. Sure I miss parts of Abraham, I am looking now at where Abe got some of those ideas that I did resonate so much with, like not gossiping and making the best of everything etc. I will tell you what really make me know I could never go back. The Amway connection. Check it out. See if you can dismiss it. There is the whole kicking of the cat thing, but I watched that live on my computer and even then as abeish as I was I remember thinking that I certainly flunked abe on that one, No way in hell I would ever let anyone mistreat an animal. I never did buy into Abe's take on animals, unless it was how loving they were. Good luck to you, and if you want to stay on the Abe path, I wouldn't come back here. The sweet, dear fresh freedom I feel now , I wouldn't trade for anything and I have Dave, and Kyra, and Clarity to thank for making it easier than it would have been on my own.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I am not like a hardcore Abraham follower but I have read and heard a lot from them.From what I have heard Abraham has always talked of death like it is checking out and there is nothing to really be afraid of. Also, they never said you should shun conventional medicine. From what I have heard it has always been do what you feel you should do in your heart and what you can see as having the outcome you most want. So one person doing heavy chemo and being happy with their choice is just as fine as someone not taking any chemo for cancer treatment and being happy with their choice. Same with drugs and other treatments. Do what you feel you should do. So I don't see at all how Jerry's death is a failure of the Abraham philosophy teachings or whatever. It pretty much fits with it. We all checkout sometime.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Theresa O'Keefe, sometime A-H defenders, like yourself, come off as so confident, readers can make the mistake of thinking you may know what you're talking about. You don't. Here's why:You scream in capital letters that Esther and Jerry Hicks NEVER claimed to be a religion. Well, they claim to be a fount of wisdom from "nonphysical teachers" who have access to all the wisdom the world has ever known and to get that from direct access to "Source," which they admit is an alternative way of saying "God." They use this position to attract followers who pay money to hear it repeated. If that's not religion, what is? Tithing does not define a religion, and anyway, if you'd done your homework, you'd have learned that Esther and Jerry openly accept tithes. If they are giving us advice on on to "tap into" a "law of attraction," why can't they define it and why can't anyone measure it? It isn't a law, it's guidance that's been around forever, just powered by a ritualized spiritual source they claim as Abraham. Without that, they are vastly less interesting than the many other purveyors of positive thinking. Abraham is a fiction and gimmick for sales.Esther and Jerry Hicks are far from the first to accuse religions of misusing "God." But otherwise, your historical knowledge is ludicrous. The simplest reading of history teaches that power and control of resources generate most wars, not religion. The U.S. has been involved in the most devastating wars in history: Our own Revolutionary War, our Civil War, World Wars I and II, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan. Only one of them involved religious conflict. It's telling that you know so little, in spite of your confident claims, and it shows that you can hardly be trusted to make judgments about anything meaningful. Why would anyone take advice from someone so poorly educated?Read the the quotes above. Esther Hicks (posing as Abraham) has consistently belittle modern medicine. There's plenty of it on the record, in addition to the above. When someone in the hot seat asks a medical question and Esther responds that Abraham can cure anyone of any illness by holding them in "suspension" for "less than an afternoon," how is that not rejecting modern medicine. She has always been careful enough about avoiding liability by not crossing the line in public, but she has done so in private sessions. Never heard of the private sessions? Of course, you wouldn't because you are not both gullible and wealthy like Jim Carey and other celebrities who paid big dough to sit with Esther while she did her Abraham shtick. For everyone who has had an experience like your friends, there are others who have had the opposite effect or were cured through medical intervention. The story proves nothing, especially since you friend used medicine as well. How do you know which worked. Scientific studies have led to mixed conclusions, but you wouldn't know about science because it would violate your beliefs to find you might be wrong. "As for Jerry's death, he was a human being like all of us..." Who said he wasn't? Whatever your personal opinions about Jesus are, your knowledge is again lacking. Do you know who Judas was? If Judas betrayed Jesus by identifying him to the Romans, was he hiding or not? Why did the Romans have to find a traitor? This is basic stuff. Apparently, your Catholic education didn't leave much of a scar. And, finally, asking Esther and Jerry to explain the apparent contradictions between their teachings and their actions is hardly ridicule? It's giving them an open forum to explain, one they've never taken advantage of for good reason. You imply that Jerry chose to die as he did, but you don't explain why we tried so desperately to find a cure, even after chemo failed. Was all that suffering a choice when, according to his own oracle wife, it was completely unnecessary?

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Theresa,I did want to make a few points regarding your comments.- Channelers saying they dont want followers, but then putting themselves in positions to acquire them is a classic gimmick in the channeling industry. Most followers of channelers do not refer to themselves as sucheven when they act just like followers of any religion.- Its interesting that you mention the wars committed in the name of God. Dave and myself have received quite a bit of hate from self-appointed Abers. I have no doubt if Abers were a larger group that they would be just as dangerous as any religious zealot.- Abrahams unscientific and unverified idea that with enough belief any illness could be cured is dangerous in and of itself, especially when they teach it in conjunction with how upstream the medical community is (which they have said). I understand your appeal to your anecdotes but that is not a scientific study and it is easily affected by everything from subjective validation to post hoc analysis.- Jerry himself told people that he judged a tree by its fruits. His death to leukemia is a fruit of he and Abrahams tree, so it shouldn't come as any surprise that it raises brows.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Theresa I don't have time presently to list and explain your contradictions. Maybe later or maybe Dave can get loose of holiday festivities. Then again it wouldn't matter bc you don't read what is written. What I want to know is when one of your disposition comes on why you NEVER address the contradictions that are spelled out word for word. Well, I know why, I'm just emphasizing a point. You just come here and post what wonderful folks they are and you support this with false statements that are intended to represent facts.Why not actually read the articles/comments and discuss the information there in? If you want to do rah rah the Abe Forum is an excellent place to start. By the way there's a whole thread on that forum declaring Abraham the second coming of Christ. The very Abe Forum that is directly controlled by the Hicks, well now, Hick (and her handlers) no matter what the spin is that it's not controlled by her (or them as the case may be). Proof exist to such so just deal with it.But then second coming of Christ is not a religion...my bad.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I currently embrace the teaching of the entity known as "Abraham." However, I do not claim to "follow" Abraham. Jerry and Esther Hicks NEVER claimed to be a "religion" no more than Jack Canfield or Tony Robbins does. The Hicks "team" has NEVER asked for donations and they have repeatedly stated they do NOT believe in tithing. When was the last time a church or "cult" told that to its followers?All Abraham has ever done is give advice on how to tap into the "Law of Attraction" so that we can all live better lives. Abraham has said that many religions have twisted who and what "God" really is (and did a non-physical entity really need to give us this information? Just look around at today's world and ages before. There have been more wars and people killed "in the name of God" than any other "person" or commodity). On the flip side, Abraham has also stated that many religions offer "good," as well. As for embracing modern medical technology, Abraham has NEVER encouraged people to reject modern medical care or medicine. What Abraham has stated is that with enough belief any illness could be cured...I seem to remember similar advice in the Bible itself. The verse basically states that if one has the faith of the small mustard seed "mountains" could be moved." Sadly, while most of us claim to have "faith" most of us do not believe to the point of having NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER. This is was screws us up, and we end up staying ill or worse.I have a friend, who while not someone who read or even knew about Abraham, actually used the similar beliefs in her life when she was diagnosed with Stage 4 breast cancer. She did some "traditional" medical treatments, but rejected others (like the suggestion to have a double mastectomy). Instead she used positive thinking, visualization, and changed some of her personal habits and she managed to CURE THE CANCER without losing her breasts. So, I know that first hand (not just from the above example, but from many in my life) that the teachings from Abraham are accurate. Much more accurate than the "mumbo jumbo" the Roman Catholic Church fed to me while growing up and beyond, and I'm sure to this day they have not changed much. Actually from what I've read in the news, it has come to light they were worse than I ever imagined. So, no I am not a "follower" of Abraham. I subscribe to many of the concepts presented and after testing them in my own life, based on my level and ability to focus..I have proven what has be stated can only be one thing: true. As for Jerry's death..he was a human being like all of us. The most "superior" human being I've ever read about was Jesus Christ and with all his "powers" I don't remember him "jumping off that cross" or even attempting to escape the series of events that were befalling him. Therefore, if someone **way**more enlightened and emboldened with power could not (or would not) change the series of events in his life, who are any of us to ridicule Jerry Hicks and his "choice" on how to exit this life?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You pet your cat. I love cats. That's great. Now, what are your thoughts on Esther's recently telling a troubled mother not to interfere with her bratty kid's kicking their cat. Always insightful, Esther said the cat was "teaching" the lousy kid. Do you agree with this form of education?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Let me clear up a little confusion for you. I didn't feel a "need to create such a website." I often write cultural analysis. It's my work. Just because this is your religion doesn't change my creative work into a need. Now, clear something up for me. Although you make the fabulous statement that "what another does do or believe is of no consequence to another," what Jerry and Esther did and believe were obviously of consequence to you. How do you explain that? Your basic claim has such child-like foolishness about it that I'd normally ignore it. Who wants to bother with goofs?But since I hear so much twisted, strange logic used in defending from Abers defending their religious beliefs (makes no difference if you call them something else), I'd like to see if any of you can explain the contradictions. Esther never has and never will. But give it a try, please?Is there any content to what you have to say, after the narcissism, juvenile posturing and wishful thinking?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I love the teachings. Ester and Jerry whilst on this planet are in human form and bring through teachings that we can use OR NOT. How Jerry chose to deal with his illness is his choice and journey and in no way reflects on the teachings that we can choose to focus on or not. I find it interesting that you feel you need to create such a website - there is only one life YOU need to focus on - YOURS and what another does do or believe is of no consequence to another - blessings on YOUR journey hope you have found your JOY.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If petting your cat is all you learned from Abraham on how to increase well being,all I can say is I am glad I do not have low as standards as you regarding my spiritual teachers.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      The Abraham message is awesome and Jerry is a blessed being having a human experience. Over the years of using the teachings and attending gatherings I have experienced amazing blessings inside and out and I am forever grateful to the teachings.The first gathering I attended I felt the powerful energy of well being from the moment Abraham entered the space and the most peaceful feeling of All is Well stayed with me for a whole week ~ I will never forget it, but it is so easy to get swept up in the collective thought and thrown off balance with so much negative thought around. But I know the more I release and pet my cat the more the feeling All is Well returns and my life keeps getting better and better. Complaining will lead you to find more things to complain about. I have profound appreciation for Jerry, Esther and the Abraham teachings.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Salam Dave,i watched esther 2 days ago, and she reminded me of a divine experience i had 7 years ago then slowly lost it through daily life events! i didn't care much if she was laying about abraham, although i felt that abraham is affected by esthers beliefs (like the denial of satan's true existence ). i took from her what i needed to remember according to my religion teachings (islam) like: "be thankful and I will give you more", " be optimistic with good and you shall receive it", "if my servants ask you (Muhammad) about me tell them i am close, answering those who ask, so let them submit to me and have faith in me, so they could reach maturity", "deeds are based on intentions", " I will be according to what my servant think of me, so let my servant think whatever he wants" and much more, so.. esther's teachings invoked all that and much more, but i DID NOT change my belief that we ask God and He chose to answer us in the ways He knows that is best for us and the way we want to.so faith and intention is the essence, yes, but God commanded us to make an effort, and He gave us a "manual" (guidance). i want to remind all believer in God's existence and His prophets -peace be upon them- that ALL prophets went through tribulations and made a lot of effort, and they got sick, and they went through struggle, they went through what none of us has experienced and they submitted to God's will, followed His commands, had faith and fought the fear and doubt Satan was trying to spread in their hearts .. so not esther, nor any other being with/in her -if there's any- can convince me that they -esther and her followers- are in any way better human beings than those prophets and messengers of Allah who suffered a lot of tribulations, as esther thinks that living with no tribulations is the right and healthy way. i agree with a lot that esther said -in my own perspective-, but i think she is ruining people's faith, and what happened with her husband is a clear message from God to her and to everyone else. it is a clear message to those who have hearts that they can see through, and if they won'y get it they will have to suffer -sooner or later-. she is way out of line when she makes "law of attraction" equivalent with God, and convince herself that she and we are nothing but God's !! she is misguided and misguiding people in a very very dangerous way. thank you so much Dave for this effort. and excuse my language as English isn't my mother tongue. may God guide us all to His straight path and protects us from being misguided or misguide others. Amen.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I had no problems reading what you are writing, counter point is always good and should always exist and you have a point. I still would like to thank Esther and Jerry, they do make lives better, and they did changed my life too... At any given point of time, given a choice between Jesus (or any other prophet or god) and Esther, i would always go for Esther... Having said that, i don't think i have to take sides, i have the right to hear you as well as what esther has to say and make my own decision, so, thanks for having this space where you question everything that Esther has to say and to even accept posts from someone like me, who still believes Esther is the best we have in this world....

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Ok, this is my third try with this, hope this goes through . I was an Abraham follower. I thanked Kyra on one of her blogs for her research and integrity and have been meaning to thank you, Dave, for your insight and sticking to the topic and not getting swept up with the backlash. And after reading the latest comments, I also want to thank Clarity for great clarity of intent and caring and fun. I do have a story, but not ready to tell. I am still making lemonade, but each day gets better. Clarity you are so right about the deprograming being tricky, and that is why I am so grateful to you guys. And yes I use the word grateful deliberately, I can't bear to use and abe buzz words. The deal breaker for me was, well there were others, thanks to Kyra, and her blogs and Dave and Clarity, but the main deal breaker I could not feel better and better away, was the amway connection. Too many similarities with the way, the amway way, abraham is run. And the aber's attacks on your comments, really made me question everything. I loved your comment about having a bit of fun Clarity. I have been wanting to put slobberingly, over wrought to the point of nausea positve coments, on the abe forum, that seem to fit the rigid standards and yet...make one pause. I have yet to do so and when I signed up, while still enchanted with Abraham, they seemed to have to vet me first and so I never did comment. Ok, I can laugh a bit now, but it has been no picnic, trying to find my way. It is a bit like that movie The Usual Susects. And it is painful. But this pain is better than the delusion, and a part of myself ,I some how denied, has returned., I am becoming whole again. And Kyra's resonse to my comment was that her life got better after she got free of abraham. And you know it is true, more good things are coming to me now than when I was with Abe. It hasn't been easy, but I am awake finally. Thanks so much again you guys!!!!

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Tammy: I have read your story and I feel compelled to point out the many inconsistencies and holes found within your life story. First of all I have a unique perspective because I too experienced severe child abuse that would later result for me beginning at age 22 a life of psychiatric hospitals, severe mental illness, depression, and a life of complete utter aloneness and despair even until this day. My mother eventually committed suicide by hanging herself to death in 1982. I have not told my story to Dave or the others yet, but hope to soon and to also explain my relationship to Abraham Hicks and how the teachings nearly destroyed me. If anything, your life story attests to HOW ABRAHAM, JERRY, AND ESTHER DID NOT HELP YOU. You state in your story: For me, I believe that failure, death, bad things are part of this physical world. And blaming other people, or God, or evil only holds you in that situation. Abraham would never teach that, or Seth, or Lazaris, or A Course In Miracles. But sticking to Abraham, Abraham would never teach that. Abraham would say that blaming other people holds you in that situation I will agree. But instead Abraham would tell you that you created it all, the type of parents you had, the circumstances, and that you orchestrated all of these tragic events that have unfolded through out your life.The one constant I see in your story is that you dont acknowledge anything that you did to cause or create the events that unfolded. I am not talking about the abuse that you experienced when you were a child but the other tragic events regarding your children. You make it sound like you played no part in any of it. I know how I ended up in a psychiatric hospitals and what got me there, or fired from 18 jobs, or no relationships, and hatred in my heart. I dont believe I could have done it any different, but I know it was no accident that I am where I am today.After you ran away from home at 15 you then jump to having Babies but leave out any details about the men involved or how you were treated by them. It is probably a safe bet to say these relationships did not turn out well, were abusive, and ended badly. I find it amazing how you would defend Jerry in light of the fact that Jerry lived a life of seemingly unending bliss, comfort, financial freedom, and teaches that we can have anything we desire and yet you have lived a life of tragedy and despair for the most part as I have. You talk about how your son commits suicide and then how your daughter ends up hating you, yet there is no responsibility on your part or awareness of how all of these things took place. No one ends up hating you without a reason whether valid or not. Your life is not anything like the life that Abraham depicts can be ours if we just think the right thoughts. Your life is tragic and depressing and fills my heart with more despair and hopelessness. In spite of all my efforts in the past I never found help or healing. I dont think you have either. The teachings of Abraham inspired me to feel guilt instead of hope and healing.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave... Thank you for your kind comments. Blessings~

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity, I respect your opinions and would like to thank you for your comments.I total agree with you when you say that people make life endangering choices based on others opinions and teachings.For me, I lived a life that was not "Truth" for me. Even though I was unable to move completely out of harms way, all I had, my only defense was to stay strong in my beliefs. Please remember I was a child. And in know way am I suggesting or attempting to justify my parents bad behavior.3 years ago my mother called me in the middle of the night. She was drunk and wanted to ask me a few questions. At first, she attempted to blame others for hurting me. And as I spoke to her, my words were clear and calm. I softly said, "No mom, that is not true. You were the one who did this". And, she began to cry. Finally, she asked me,"Do you really forgive me"? Of course I do, and I don't want you to live this life feeling shame or guilt" was my response. Then I asked her, "Why did you hate me so"? Her exact words, "You protected yourself, I couldn't break you, you would not give in or bend a bit". You were happy now matter what I did to you or what I took away from you. Then she asked me how I could do that. Simple, no one outside of me could force me to believe something that I know to be false. No matter what the consequences were. I am no saint, but I had what everyone wants to know in their life at every age. I knew and used the power of love, knowledge of God had not been taught to me, but rather what I was born with and clung to. I believe I was able to maintain that knowing mainly because I was cut of from the worlds view of God. I was never sent to church. I was never taught to be afraid. I knew nothing about sin or laws. All I had was the knowledge I came in to this world with. The only law I knew was my families law. And since my family owned most of the small community, they never got in to trouble. The law (police, judges) worked for them, not against them. Fear was never something I thought about since pain was part of my everyday life. I looked for opportunities to hide, to remove my physical body from her. My mind, well I never let her in so she had no control over my thoughts. I never feared death as I knew death to be my body dying only and honestly, I was ok with that too.Please forgive me for saying this as I do not intend on hurting anyone, but we must take responsibility for our own thoughts, actions, and words. Looking outside of yourself for guidance can be helpful and hurtful. You must determine who you are and what you do or don't believe in. When left up to outside influences, you are giving others the power to tell you what is right or wrong. You must take responsibility in establishing your personal relationship with God.I to disagree with animal abuse of any kind.I will have to comment on Jesus and fraud another time as I am respecting Dave's request to keep my comments shorter.Blessings~

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Tammy, not to diminish your life story in any way what so ever but your statement~I will always be grateful for his participation in helping everyone to raise their conscious level of thinking~See, those of us that post here post for the ones that not only did not have their consciousness raised but made some very unwise choices based on the advice of Abe. Believing that Abe is a direct line to god source energy, as presented in every workshop, had many followers making unwise choices, some of which were life endangering. That is the problem with someone claiming to have an inside track to god, the composite of Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed. Your story shows that we each have our own inside track and you are not claiming to be a special source for anyone that channels infinite wisdom.I find it hard to correlate the message of we are all love with encouraging animal abuse to a young mother whose child kicked the family kitty. Abe said dont interfere. Im sorry but I just do not resonate with animal cruelty period or ever. I dont see any love in being unkind to defenseless creatures.Abe also said Jesus didnt care about the toylessness of others in response to the same mother (child threw tantrums over sharing toys) but its certainly not the message I see in the Jesus teachings. I would swear the Jesus teachings are to share.~Abraham speaks of choice, accountability, and unconditional love.~Yes, early Abe spoke more of these things but thats not all Abe spoke of. Over the years the message morphed more and more to worship of material things, being selfish and not caring about the feelings of others. The message is wanting stuff is good, not caring about the feelings of others is good. The people affected by Katrina did so because they were vibrationally deficient. Well good then, serves them right eh? Get your vibe together or suffer the consequences.So I dont really see how Jerry helped everyone raise their conscious level of thinking. The message works for you and that is simply fantastic. We here are for the ones that the message didnt resonate with and that they might have made some very unwise decisions on family/health/child rearing etc. Or maybe some just realized they didnt feel the compassion they once felt for others, a spiritual emptiness. You have to be able to look at both sides of the dynamic. There is a plethora of evidence that a deliberate fraud was conceived and executed for profit. When we see such a fraud we feel compelled to speak out, only for those that are asking the questions we ourselves asked at one time.We all want the best for everyone, you, Dave, Kyra, myself and others here. Some of us feel exposing a fraudulent endeavor serves others and believe it or not, it comes not from hate but from love. We feel it is our duty to speak out so that ones that are wanting to understand like each of us did at one time, can find the answers they are seeking. Its tricky coming out of a mind fog worship kind of mentality. If you think I am over stating the issue you have but to read the Abe forum where members have proclaimed Abe the second coming of Christ. We are here for a specific group of people with specific questions. We offer our support because we care. We have a little fun in the process because deprogramming doesnt have to be all serious. To quote Abe~life is supposed to be fun.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I love this story. It's beautiful, heartfelt and sincere. But please try to make comments that are shorter. Tammy, you have a lot to say and are passionate. This story deserves articles of it own. I suggest you try writing the various versions independently and get your story told. It deserves readers.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Well I am not angry and my comments are not intended to be interrupted as "Hate Mail". But since Dave made a comment that true stories trump airy beliefs, I would like to share my true life story.I am a 44 year old women whose childhood is the "Poster Child" of severe child abuse. Born to teenage parents, one from a affluent family, the other from a very poor one parent home. The first 9 years of my life I was beaten, stabbed, locked in closets, trunks, and food poised. I learned to only eat out of the garden or fruit that I picked. Then one day, she tied me to a bed and left. I was there for 3 days. My grandparents found me. After I recovered and was released from the hospital, I thought the worst was over. But the abuse was just beginning. Once she left, my father decided that I would be the one to take care of him, step in to my mother's shoes so to speak. My Grandmother had been an ally to me, that is until her son became the abuser. Finally, I received partial "Justice" at age 12. A judge had ruled that I was to be taken away and placed in foster care. My Grandmother could not allow that, so I was placed in my grandparents custody and promptly sent to boarding schools. 3000 miles away from home, life was pretty good. A little to good I guess as my Grandmother decided to bring me closer to home and enroll me in to a private catholic school just 50 miles from home. Did I mention my grandmother was an atheist? Believe me, I was not accepted there either. Surprisingly... I never felt alone. Somehow I knew that God loved me and had nothing to do with how my parents, or any person treated me. Even though God was never taught to me. I just knew.I ran away at 15 and got a job with a family I knew as their live in nanny and have been on my own since. Life was so much better since I was choosing where I lived and what I did. I didn't experience, "Life isn't fair" until my son died of crib death. He was only a month old and was my 3rd child. See I love my children. I wanted them. I was grateful for my children. I wondered why God would take one of them away from me. I didn't abuse my kids and was grateful that I was able to have them. I started questioning God and I ended up being very angry. I began to "Search" for God. I tried many different religions. I bought a bible and read ever other religious book I could find. I had never been to church or read a bible until then. I settled in to a christian faith, went to church ever Sunday and Wednesday for 7 years. I was blessed with another child but she was born sick. Then, while I was pregnant with twins, they died when I was almost 8 months pregnant. I was going through a divorce at the same time and my pastor of my chosen church told me I must have broken a commandment or committed a serious sin. To make a long story short, I went back to believing in God the way I did when I was a child. I never felt alone or unloved then even though my physical body was in pain 90% of the time and I was "Unwanted" by my parents and an unwanted burden to other adults. My life began to get better and better. I was successful in my career, my remaining children were happy and loved. My son decided it was time to go live with his dad at 14.As much as I didn't want him to, I gave my ex-husband joint custody and let him go. Even though he had never paid me child support, I never kept him from our children. I realized my dream of having my own business. Life was amazing. A friend's wife passed away and he was left with 2 children to raise. He re married 11 months after the passing of his first wife and his new wife would not allow his children to live in the home. Since I only had 1 minor child left at home, I brought them in to my family and home. Tragedy struck again a few years later while my son was in college 1500 miles from home. He was diagnosed with a serious illness and was dying. He was 22 at the time. My son decided to take his own life rather than suffer. After the funeral, my minor child was 16 and my adopted children were still living with me. My child lost 2 friends in separate car wrecks just 3 weeks after losing her brother to suicide. She turned to drugs. I did everything I could to help her. She was so hateful towards me. She believed that I should have some how stopped her brother from killing himself. She ran away with a man at 17. My adopted kids father had divorced his 2nd wife and married a third and she wanted the kids with them, I lost 4 kids in 13 months. My son to suicide, my daughter to drugs, and my adopted children to their father. On top of it all, my business had suffered since my sons death and I lost it and my home. I was homeless, penniless, and childless. All within 15 months. I still believe I am blessed, I love life, I love people and I blame no one... Please believe me... It takes faith and a lot of effort to maintain a positive thought process. When you are hungry, homeless, and have no one in this world who cares. For me, I believe that failure, death, bad things are part of this physical world. And blaming other people, or God, or evil only holds you in that situation. Society, religion, traditions, family, and friends have all left me out in the cold. God never has and never will. I have never taken a pill or a drink to get through the bad times. I learned very early on that it is easy to love those who are loving you. But when you have no one who is loving you, and you love them anyway... That is a choice that I deliberately make everyday of my life. I do not judge anyone and I would rather be kind then right. Abraham speaks of choice, accountability, and unconditional love. God never leaves you and we are not separate from him. I know this to be true. I live it everyday. I take no pleasure in telling anyone that their religion, traditions, or beliefs are wrong. I just can't join them. Not because I believe I am right and they are wrong, I just allow everyone to be who they are, believe what they want, practice whatever religion they choose. My prayer everyday is for people who believe that they are alone to know that they're not. I don't pray for peace, I live it for all to see. I don't blame evil, I change my thoughts.I don't pray for a miracle... I make it happen... I know it is all about me... I am only responsible for my life but I always lend a hand or a kind word to anyone that asks. Life is joyous... only the body dies... you never do...And no matter what you say or do, someone is going to find what you are saying irritating or offensive...As a foot note, my Mom found me 13 years ago after 18 years of separation and we have a wonderful relationship. I have forgiven my dad as well and I speak to him regularly and see him as often as I can. My daughter, of her own free will, has been drug free for 2 years, in college, has a job and is a mother of a perfect 1 year old girl. We talk everyday and have an amazing relationship... Abraham's message speaks to me and encourages me when I need it the most... And no matter how Jerry passed, I will always be grateful for his participation in helping everyone to raise their conscious level of thinking... Blessings...

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @CCGAL: Not that I'm aware of, and Zazzle does usually let you know. But it would not be unlike Abraham-Hicks to cry about copyright infringement, even though they say they would never push against. I'll pull off the broken link. Thanks.

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      CCGAL 5 years ago

      The link to the Abraham-Hicks 2 for 1 sale shirt is broken, and I cannot find that in your Zazzle store. I have to ask, given what I've read about the topic, if it was removed because somebody complained? I had a mousepad removed for the use of the words "fight club" on it ... apparently some big film studio complained and Zazzle removed it, so I wondered if that's what happened to your tee shirt.

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      lightful 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I appreciate your candor and honesty in this blog, Dave. I was gung ho at first in sopping up the "wisdom" of Abraham-Hicks until it became obvious to me that, first of all, Esther was channeling an aspect of her own thought processes, not higher wisdom from a group entity. It catered so blatantly to the ego self which wants to think it has the power to create/manifest whatever pleases it in a materialistic sense, instead of the truth which is that Soul is the entity which took on human form and for Its purposes, which purposes don't include pleasing or appeasing the human ego being and its senses. If Esther's channelings did come from a "higher source," it isn't really very high at all, but is made to look and sound that way.Obviously, the reason for this catering to the lower self is that is what sells because that's what the ego wants to hear - "I can have it all. I can be, do and have everything and anything I want," and that's what sells and makes the Hicks rich and famous. However, Jerry's death via cancer has busted that illusionary bubble.The truth is that Soul is in charge of Its human experience and when It knows It wants to return to Its true home in the higher dimensions, the human ego being self has nothing to say about it. That was the case with Jerry Hicks. Under those circumstances, nothing that Abraham allegedly said about disease and death matters, obviously.It will be interesting to see how Esther spins Abraham's wisdom to match Jerry's death, which obviously contradicts what Abraham has allegedly stated about that subject supposedly through her.Also, Soul will fulfill Its purpose for being here irrespective of what Its human ego embodiment/counterpart desires, so we do well to remember Who we really are and to remember that original intention for this physical embodiment and seek to fulfill it, as that is the source of true happiness. As Bagger Vance said to Junah in The Legend of Bagger Vance, our task here is to remember the Soul (the Authentic Self) and to become it... and the highest path we can follow is the path of Love, which precludes self importance, self absorption and catering to the (ego)self, which was taught by Esther since that was her philosophy.I personally doubt she channeled any entity other than her own thoughts, but needed to attach some authority to her thoughts by coming up with the name Abraham and attributing her thoughts as coming from that source rather than from her.Wayne Dyer is another person who manifested leukemia in spite of all his talk about being able to create and experience everything you want.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jane, Clarity let you off the hook too easily. Your comment is peppered with falsehoods. Jerry told us publicly and in detail why he sought treatment and what he did. There is no more reason to think he tried any of the options you're suggesting than that he tried standing on his head and spitting jelly beans.Unless you're accusing him of lying. Are you? They were deceptive, sure, because they realized that his cancer undermined the teachings that they've been selling. But the facts were clear.They would never admit to having tired Abe's on methods, like letting Abe hold him in suspension for a couple of hours to produce a full cure or taking the long route (a few days) to change his "vibration," whatever the hell that is, and be well "right away." They would not do that because they a) knew it was nonsense and b) because they could not risk putting the feel good franchise at risk.As far as "hearing that warning," Jerry writes about many, routine chats with Abraham, one on one. I'd like to see one of those myself, and he also wrote about talking to Abraham immediately after his diagnoses. Your main objective here seems to be to deflect attention away from known facts, and I allowed it only because it gave me a chance to respond. I do appreciate, however, that you are not as angry as many of the true believers who send out angry, sometime obscene messages that Esther would call, "pushing against." Interesting you should mention condolences in your bid for sympathy, because Esther and Jerry, not only don't believe in such sentiments, they have notoriously mocked them. Esther's pandering, narcissistic messages leave out the cruel references to "croaking" with which she hurt so many who trusted her. What happened to "being so disrespectful," as she called it about the death of loved ones? What happened to, "That's why it's so good when the old ones go?" Now, you want others to show Esther a kindness she has said she believes to be foolish and spare her the cruel mocking she's heaped on so many others.It's not going to happen.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: "It isn't known if Abe or Esther told Jerry "hmmm something is more seriously wrong." Truth is all the supposed sources in the world don't know what transpired in the privacy of their home.It is also not known if Jerry made a choice not to hear that warning~You are absolutely right. Im only going on what Ester and Jerry put out on their mailing blogs. Sure, they could have been lying. Wouldnt be the first time.~The other thing none of us know is if Jerry tried holistic or spiritual healing before shifting to conventional medicine. ~Again, absolutely right. Only going on what they said in their mailings. Could have been lying.~I feel at this point the most appropriate response to Jerry's death is to offer condolences to his family~Then that is exactly what you should do. This place however is not the proper channel if you want to do so as they dont read here.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Wayne, sometimes, if you let me know, I can delete a comment, and then you can reenter it, but I wouldn't worry too much. If I went back to correct all my errors, I'd be doing nothing else.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It isn't known if Abe or Esther told Jerry "hmmm something is more seriously wrong." Truth is all the supposed sources in the world don't know what transpired in the privacy of their home.It is also not known if Jerry made a choice not to hear that warning. The other thing none of us know is if Jerry tried holistic or spiritual healing before shifting to conventional medicine. The only people who know are Jerry, Esther and possibly their immediate family. Jerry made his choices. It is also possible that Esther may not know what Jerry was thinking when he made his choices. Leukemia can be a painful illness with or without the chemo. All the rehashing in the world isn't going to change the fact that Jerry made a decision. I feel at this point the most appropriate response to Jerry's death is to offer condolences to his family.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, I'm puzzled that you spent so much time defending beliefs that Esther and Jerry don't have. Remember, their claim is that it's supposed to be easy, not difficult as you're describing.Rationalizing the story backward to justify beliefs you can't let go of is a sign of addiction and/or cult thinking. Dressed up in whatever way you like and passed along gently, it's still full of protective rationalizations. There is a good bit of New Age wishful thinking and sophomoric reasoning that would not hold water in any face to face discussion about conscientious people. In addition, your studies on both Jesus and quantum mechanics, as reflected her, haven't advanced past pop culture understanding. Whether Jesus said anything of the kind is conjecture. Only one of the four gospels says so. The other four never heard it or said so, and John never met Jesus face to face, his version of the story being recorded nearly a century after Jesus death. You don't don't know what you're talking about in particle physics. You are so off base in your statements that it isn't worth doing into detail about. You seem nice and well-intended, but you need to think more for yourself and not listen so much to preachers. You already know more than they can tell you, and we really need nice people like you with us in the thick of things to keep evolution going forward positively.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Thanks, Carol. You should see some of the hate mail I deleted. I also got a note from the admin on another platform about his getting flood of hate mail intended for me. I thought Abers didn't believe in pushing against. Please feel free to share your personal experiences on any of my lenses and articles. True stories trump airy beliefs any day.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: Hey Dave, I guess there is not a way to correct grammatical errors after a comment is posted?

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @1448Mary: Fortunately for those of us who are definitely disenchanted with those who don't live, demonstrate, or adhere to their own teachings such as Esther and Jerry, we choose not to be hypocrites or endorse those who make massive fortunes selling lies. Your acceptance of the teachings of Adelle Davis without holding her accountable to her own teachings tells us more about you than her. It tells me you are a being of little or no integrity. You know, IT REALLY IS A BIG DEAL FOR AN AUTHOR, HEALER, CHANNELERS, TEACHERS TO LIVE UP TO THEIR TEACHINGS. If they cannot demonstrate the principals they teach and sell to others, why should I or anyone else believe in them? The old saying: DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO does not fly well on this lens and nor should it. The reason that the pro aber's such as yourself or so defensive of most of us on this lens is because it exposes your behavior of deceit. In other words, you would have problem whatsoever of selling a teaching or a product to others while demonstrating in reality the exact opposite of it's supposed benefits.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: One very important fact the AH defenders are overlooking is Abe didnt tell Jerry when he was feeling fatigued that he had something more serious going on. When the spider bite happened Abe didnt say um, not a spider Jerry.So are we to believe that Abe who knows all, sees all, goes shopping with the Hicks helping select good food choices, directs them away from oncoming accidents (several as a matter of fact), takes the eye test for Ester at the DMV, and many more our days with Abe stories, was somehow silent on alerting Jerry when he first started feeling puny that he might need to look into the causes in more depth?Or was it that even tho the Hicks consult with Abe on a day to day basis didnt bother to ask Hey Abe, why the heck am I not feeling up to snuff?You can go on and on about Jerrys time, not fully realized etc but you are ignoring this simple fact. WHY DID ABE NOT TELL JERRY HE WAS VERY SICK?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I am a follower of the Abraham teachings.... the Hicks (Esther) is merely a conduit for the energy source entities that we call "Abraham". Jerry is merely her partner. They don't necessarily have to practice the information that the entities bring through Esther. As in the same way that a Minister doesn't necessarily practice his great Sunday sermon he delivers. They are just human beings like us. I do believe that Jerry's SOUL had chosen to go back and he experienced resistance to letting go... maybe because of his family, and Esther... who knows. I am happy he finally LET GO and made the transition. He was 87 and had a beautiful life. Peace be unto him and Esther in their life transitions.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Lol. I don't usually get my notifications that quick. I think that's why.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: yes, agree with you, thanks for posting

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      I am glad that so much is stirred up by your lenses, Dave. You already know a great deal of my own story and I am not here to tell more. I just want to say that one way to really show someone that more honest self exploration is needed is to notice the level of defensiveness that quickly rises when the truth is not wanted. Accuse someone of something they did, and have denied, and the will be infuriated, probably quickly trying to point the finger back at you. Accuse someone of doing something that they have never even considered, and they will probably laugh, let you know that it is not true, and move along to a different topic. Interesting how that has played out for those who angrily jump in to defend Abraham. "Methinks thou dost protest too much", in Shakespeare's words, makes a lot of sense here. Thank you, again, for your blogs. I keep reading, and it does help in my family's recovery.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I still believe in the teachings of Abraham (who is simply repeating more explicitly what has been taught by many masters through the ages) because I directly experience the Law of Attraction everyday. These messages are channelled and really don't have much to do with Jerry dying...knowing something is possible doesn't necessarily make it easy to do. Such as being free of disease overnight. Being the recipients of these messages didn't suddenly make Esther and Jerry the "chosen ones"; they have still had and continue to have their own resistance to work through like the rest of us. Neither were spontaneously enlightened and elevated to another realm above us because Esther started channelling. It takes alot of re-education of the mind and it's a lifetime job! Hearing this wisdom isn't a magic wand that immediately eradicates all previous conditioning. Not for most people anyway! We are taught from day one that we are at the mercy of external conditions and that we have not one iota of control over any of the circumstances we find ourselves in. Jerry, whilst having had amazing manifestation insights was still just as conditioned as the rest of us and was obviously not at the stage where he could release the grip of his illness. Who knows what fears he was unable to release no matter WHAT he knew to be possible? The mind is incredibly pervasive! Both Jesus and Buddha talked of eternal life and yet both left their physical bodies (I am not directly comparing Jerry to either of these advanced beings!). We don't call them hypocrites or liars. The moment someone turned 100 years old it became more and more common for people to live to that age. Soon it will be 120 and then 150 and beyond. Once we SEE something is possible we believe it is possible and so it becomes the norm. But as Abraham teaches, that would happen sooner if we believed first! All the publicity stuff and evasiveness of the "Abraham brand" has no bearing whatsoever on the teachings as Esther, Jerry and their company are human beings with their own issues, etc. They do not "own" and certainly did not "create" the laws that govern the universe!!! They have simply been able to set them out in laymens terms for all to receive and for that I am truly grateful. Yogis, masters and enlightened beings have been saying the same thing for thousands of years and Quantum Mechanics bears this out: nothing in the fabric of the entire universe is determined until the moment it is focused upon. The whole of existance is unlimited in its possibilities until that moment we choose, unfotunately we almost always make our choices unconsciously. The universe has been likened to the thought process in its nature and we are the thinkers. We create our own reality and Jerry Hicks created his, no more no less. Love & peace.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Sorry I didn't see your comment before making mine. I'm usually the only person up so early and working on content.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Funny, Kyra. We seem to have been commenting at the same moment without being aware of each other's comments. Thanks for the humor. Sorry, humor!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @1448Mary: First, sorry to disappoint you in the rationale so often offered by A-H defenders. I have had enormous success in attracting what I want and consider myself to be the luckiest man in the world. I've listened to many hours of Abraham recordings and have read some of the books. I find them interesting at times, goofy at others and seldom original. Esther Hicks has patched together a dumbed down version of other peoples writings and passed them off as her own.Oh, yes, they did claim to be God-realized, saying many times that "Source" was just another word for God and that Esther was its voice of choice. She also claimed to be the same as Jesus and Buddha. Again, this is all on the record, whether it fits the convenient story now being put together or not.I also read much of what Davis wrote, way back when, and followed her advice with enthusiasm. While she taught us a lot and got the ball rolling on populist nutrition, history has shown that she was not right about everything and, wise woman that she was, would have adjusted her advice. But you have emphasized and important point: Adelle Davis wrote from a scientific, researchers point of view. What the heck does Esther speak from? "Nonphysical teachers" who selected her specifically to speak like an oracle about the wisdom of the ages. She has no science to back her up, refuses to sit for detailed interviews or even respond to public questions. When she sits for serious scientific inquiry, which she has no reason to fear, if she's being truthful, or takes a lie detector test and comes close to passing, then she might be in the range of Adelle Daves in credibility. As it stands now, she has none.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Can you please point me to the passage where Dave says that Jerry was supposed to live forever? I have skimmed through a few times and can't seem to find it. But I appreciate your use of exclamation marks. It encourages me to find more opportunities to use them.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @1448Mary: 1448Mary,I don't think any of us had expectations of Jerry and Esther being "god-realized," but when a guru--who promoted a philosophy that claims to be able to prevent and treat illness--dies of cancer, it shines a light on some "dark corners" and reminds us that this information is unscientific and people should be wary of using it to treat their ailments. As for Adelle Davis, using her name in conjunction with "reliable scientific information" seems to be an oxymoron. She was constantly criticized by the scientific community for not being very...scientific.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: ak, you did not answer the question asked. Usually, I delete inappropriate comments, since among other things, it shows that you've only read a fraction of the material I'm making an exception because your comment so clearly shows how unfamiliar many A-H defenders are with what they are defending.When you say that "death has nothing to do with their teachings," you are ignoring mountains of written and recorded detail on the subject, which Esther crudely calls "croaking," except not when it involved Jerry. You say that Jerry "tried all the avenues to stay alive." He didn't try the very cure that Abraham has taught: changing your vibration, which would clear things up in no more than a few days. It's on the record, and all the backpedaling in the world won't change it. Yes, Esther says that we all will die, but she also said we could die without disease or deterioration, all of which are caused by "resistance." In one recording, she rhapsodizes on how Jerry will die when he picks the time (as she claims we all do), but since he will never be sick or deteriorated by age, he was thinking of ending his life by flying out of a tall building.You've created a whole new set of beliefs here by ignoring what is already on the record, as I am sure Esther will now do as she tries to resurrect the franchise.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      nonsense, everybody dies sooner or later! death has nothing to do with their teachings! it was jerry's time to go! sure he tried all the avenues to stay alive! who wouldn't! all the modern tools are given through medicine to stay alive! and one day through science we may live without disease and live long long lives! they taught that you live, you create, and you benefit from what you create through expansion and live a better life,and then you croak, more intuned with the person you really are! no scam here! nothing was forced on anyone! just open up your mind and think about who you are and how to grow., live and die!

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      1448Mary 5 years ago

      This is quite an interesting read, but I must say the writer sounds like s/he is disenchanted with Abraham-Hicks having once been a follower. Did s/he not have much success in attracting what was, ostensibly, wanted?Sometimes we have dark corners we need to shine a light on that hold us back from our optimal beingness and knowing what we truly want; perhaps that happened to Jerry. After all, he and Esther are not, and have never claimed to be, "god-realized" beings. I well recall when my health guru, nutritionist Adelle Davis, died of cancer. Yes, she did; but I surely don't disregard, and still adhere to the incredibly life-enhancing and reliable scientific information I gained from her books. Same here with Jerry & Esther & Abraham....

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Ross, what you are talking about is more in alignment with what Deepak Chopra and some others have to say. Nobody is sure what mechanisms in your body are enabled, and it doesn't always work for everyone. Wouldn't it be great if it did?We don't know if it might have worked for Jerry. As far as we know, he never tried what they've been preaching for decades, just traditional medicine. The trouble with that, of course, is that he had 24X7 access to Abraham who could manage the cure in "less than an afternoon" but didn't chose to try it. The reason, I think, is that he had less confidence in it than you do and wasn't willing to risk his life or the franchise. Just my opinion, though, because Esther will never explain and Jerry skipped right by it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: If you believe that everything Ester and Jerry said is bull, don't get sick. I had a five year downhill health ordeal before arriving at death's door. At that point I was blind, and had two fatal diseases. I "decided" to get well and much to the surprise of my seven medical specialists I recovered in 3 and 1/2 months. I was doing all the things the finest medical minds had to offer and losing the battle. I learned to visualize health and it made all the difference. Since that time discussions with my medical doctors have resulted in agreement that my mental work is what made the difference. I am sorry that Jerry could not do what he had told others to do. The process is very subtle and not easy for everyone to do even though they may intellectually understand. I didn't know "Abraham" at the time of recovery, but I have since read a lot of his information. In short, I say don't through the baby out with the bath water.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Thanks, Wayne. I'm cool.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Here, here, Kyra! The truth that emerges, not that Jerry has died, is that they would never have risked the franchise by announcing that Jerry was following Abraham's teachings. How to get around that was the decision that delayed announcements. Everything is worded carefully to get across the message that Jerry went off the ranch and died. They will never answer the question of why he chose traditional medicine instead of the few hours to days Abraham's cure would have taken. The reason, of course, is that they knew, just as we do, that it was baloney.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Excellent observation, Mariah ; ).

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thanks, Dave! I agree, it would have been nice to hear more about Jerry's life in that e-mail from Esther Hicks. So if Jerry followed the most "downstream" option, and then died, does that mean guidance can not be trusted, like Abraham says? I know there's nothing wrong with dying, I know many are saying "he must have been ready" but he didn't SAY he was ready to go, he said was planning on gaining 15 pounds and returning to his usual friskiness.Thanks for your lenses.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Deb Feher, it concerns me when I see someone touting credentials in psychology and saying they use "the Abraham-Hicks information as an augmentation to all my other knowledge and studies." It reminds me of all the pseudoscience that psychologists have allowed into the field because of their willful ignorance of the scientific method. However, your recommendation that Dave see a "transformational psychologist" let's me know that you are hardly one to be dispensing advice on the subject. And your absurd statement about Dave making Abraham-Hicks look like "demons" speaks more to how you read the information than it does to what Dave is discussing. I hope you can visit an actual scientist who can help you distinguish between science and pseudoscience.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      Please hold your ground Dave. Do not be intimidated by all of the Abe hypocrites.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Well, yesterday within moments of the announcement of Jerrys transition the sock puppets hit this lens, Kyras blog too. The campaign is on to resurrect Abe which was made clear with the announcement of Jerrys transition. You have an investment in this resurrection, your income. Many have been supported financially by AH Publications. This is a tricky economy so I do understand. This does not negate the facts that have been presented in this lens. Going over the facts again serves no purpose. Dave removed the two over the top comments yesterday and my reply got lost in the shuffle. Dave asked me to repost it. While there will always be ones to follow there will always be ones seeking information on the Abe matrix. This lens and Kyras blog serve those that are seeking that information. When I became disenchanted with the Abe matrix finding the likes of Dave and Kyra made my transition so much easier. That I have immense appreciation for them and thoughtful comment posters is an understatement.Here is my reply yesterday to sock puppet first up to bat."Marilii saidand the family used chemotherapy because not to do so could have opened them up to legal charges of neglect by anyone who would want to put forth such a charge. Parents with cancer-riddled children are forced to use chemotherapy whether they agree with it or not....or go to jail for child abuse if they choose not to use it.~Parents have been forced to provide chemo for a minor child but it has never been forced on an adult. To say that they had to go the chemo route because of legalities is pure bunk.~Leave them alone and let them grieve in peace.~ The family doesn't read this lens and if they did they have the choice not to. No one is forcing this lens down their throats.Jerry had the opportunity to set the record straight before he made his transition. He chose not to do so. Ever hear of a death bed confession?It is hard to decipher the grief the family is feeling with Ester's published announcement...fun, play, show must go on.I fully expect Ester to hit the circuit again this time channeling not only Abe but Jerry. Thing is it is a ruse, was always a ruse. I have one friend who had a one on one private session (two actually) with Abe, worried about a health issue. Abe reassured that friend there was no problem, just ignore it, keep a high vibration and it would go away. For 2 1/2 years that friend ignored the symptoms and came near to dying. Having just completed surgery, chemo and radiation we all have high hopes. That person said to me today~~if I'd known good ol' Jerry was gonna run to the medical profession with a damn spider bite, I wouldn't have waited 2.5 years keeping my vibration focused on well-being instead of seeing what the heck the bleeding was about! I was weeks/months away from dying.~So please don't give me all this crap about how hard hearted we are here. Bottom line Jerry could have done a lot of good by setting the record straight. He chose not to do so and now Ester is carrying on the charade. Shell hit the circuit all dolled up and away we go. I do hope the 13 are keeping to their goal to expose the charade.My sympathies are to the people that trusted in and loved the Hicks. My sympathies are to my friend who is an honest, kind and caring person who put trust in the wrong people. I hope my friend, who has a loving family, children, continues to thrive, but do I think Ester gives a damn about this person...not on your life.Go troll somewhere else. Better yet, pray for all the people that did put their trust in Abe/Ester/Jerry. Marilii, since you want to talk legalities, um, I wonder what the legalities are for giving medical advice when youre not a doctor. There were witnesses to the one on one.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Deb, you early comments were interesting, but you made some silly assumptions when you veered recklessly into a subject you know next to nothing about. It damages your credibility. Let me clear us some points for you. (I usually delete comments that indicate that the writer erred in somehow imagining that the lens is about me. It isn't, although others are, and nobody comments on them.)First, what you call sarcasm and mockery has been a writers' tool since the beginning of, well, writing. It keeps readers reading, including you. What on Earth ever made you think I was trying to be "scholarly?" Scholars are boring, mostly.Also, someone else can busy themselves with "psychological explanations" about why followers follow and many have already done so. This lens is not about the followers motives, of which I assume there are many and varied. Most are, I think, earnest and well-intentioned. That innocence has made the easy catches for you know who.I don't consider Esther and Jerry to be demons any more than I do used car salespeople who go over the line to make money. Greedy? Narcissistic? Manipulative? Dishonest? You betcha! But none of those traits make them demons. Taken to an extreme successfully, they do seem to make you rich.Thank you for acknowledging my "foolish decisions and for grasping onto Abraham-Hicks teachings with a 'cult-like mentality and grip." This is what finally exposed you as an A-H apologist with a new twist, that and commenting at the first opportunity without reading the bulk of the material. Many of you try divert attention by wrenching focus away from the subject to render a personal accusation, hoping to discredit me. I see it as a spirited, ingenious effort to change perceptions of truth. In other words, it's shallow and smelly.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Mrs. Morrison, your hypothesis is impossible to prove, of course, because we can't know what was in Jerry's mind, but to accept it, you'd also have to accept Jerry as dishonest and not trustful of his wife's own teachings. It contradicts many statements of his and hers to the contrary.I look "miserable and unhappy" in my icon photo. Gosh, I was going for intense and insightful. My bad, but thanks for pointing it out.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      maybe jerry was ready to move on from this world but had some conflicting feelings about leaving esther. that would explain why he went for chemo. everyone isn't afraid of death. i'm sure he's happy with his decision now. wow, you sure look miserable and unhappy in your picture in the upper right hand corner of your blog

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I attended an Alaskan Cruise 6 years ago with 18 hours of Abraham-Hicks. I use their positive manifestation techniques and have found them to be extremely useful. However, I have a Master's in psychology (working toward a PhD) and have studied the religions and philosophies of the world extensively. I have completed many, many years of therapy myself and processed a challenging childhood with extreme effort, profound tenaciousness and hard damn work. I use the Abraham-Hicks information as an augmentation to all my other knowledge and studies. I see your point. Too many disturbed folks that really "need" professional help want to believe the Abraham teachings will solve their problems quickly and easily like the wave of a magic wand. Lots of deluded folks going to these seminars. I see this with my patients when they join a church and convert -- especially Baptists. The pastor tells them they don't need therapy, they just need Jesus and that therapy is the devil. More damage is done in the name of religion than anything else on this planet. I honor and respect your opinions. However, some of the sarcasm and mockery I see on your site is not scholarly and devoid of any psychological explanations as to why so many folks look to Abraham-Hicks as a "snake oil" cure for deep psychological issues and pathologies. It feels to me that by making the Abraham-Hicks folks into demons it allows you to be totally free from "looking at yourself" and holding yourself accountable for foolish decisions and for grasping onto Abraham-Hicks teachings with a "cult-like mentality and grip." I hope you can visit with a transformational psychologist and work this through. I sense you are "stuck" in a place that is not healthy. As Abraham says, "I think you are rowing upstream." I send you peace and wish you well.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I know this is a late reply to Cynthia Becks's post on Sept 26 where she states: (The Law of Attraction says what you give your attention to gets bigger. I completely get why the Hicks are not broadcasting negative details about Jerry's health for the world to give energy to and increase.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The thing she is forgetting is another one of Abe's own teachings: IF YOU YELL AT SOMETHING AND TELL IT I DON'T WANT YOU IN MY LIFE, IT IS THE SAME AS SAYING COME HITHER THIS THING I DON'T WANT IN MY LIFE.The point I am making is when Esther and ABH Publications refuses to acknowledge or discuss what is going on with Jerry, they are in actual fact INVITING MORE SCRUTINY, CRITICISM, INCREASED ATTENTION, DEMAND FOR ANSWERS, CURIOSITY, AND CONFUSION among their followers. I don't believe for a minute in what Cynthia is saying. Esther does not care about Jerry, she just does not want to deal with what is going on around her.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thanks Jerry for your response and offer of help for a doing a lens of my own. Will post more later.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Wayne, we will look forward to whatever you have to add. If you need help doing a lens of your own for a platform, I can help you with that too. I too would like Jerry to survive his current illness, but I'm not wishing suffering on anyone. Rather, I'd like to see him wake up to the damage he and Esther have done and come clean in a sincere fashion. Go to a soup kitchen, a homeless shelter, a Veterans' hospital, a senior center full of creeping senility and frailty, a hospice--I'd like to see him go to those places, feel the dispair and tell them how simple it is to just change their vibrations. As if they wouldn't have already, if it were all as easy as Esther preaches from the stage. I admit, your wish is more likely to come true. Esther and Jerry seem too far gone into self-absorption to change.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Clarity, I deleted a couple of weird posts from the guy you are responding to; so, I thought I'd better enter this note to clarify that we are in total agreement. Sorry, I left your post dangling out there without the one that provoked it. Narcissism and a lack of empathy, which I suppose go hand in hand, are the salient characteristics of the Hicks cult. Just keep looking in the mirror and smiling. You will be happy because you won't see anything else. Why don't they just say it?

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity: Your post could not more accurate and truer words were never spoken regarding Abraham and his teachings. I have yet to comment fully on my own personal experience, but I will do real soon. I resonate strongly with your post. The law of attraction used by Abraham and others is basically a law of separation and division. Those with healed minds and emotions get to attract and have the good things of life. Those with depression, mental illness, resentment, and other negative conditions cannot utilize the law of attraction AND WILL NEVER BENEFIT FROM ABRAHAM BUT ONLY FIND HARM. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL AND LONG EXPERIENCE WHICH I INTEND TO SHARE VERY SOON. There is no sense of humanity as brothers or compassion for other's suffering found among the Abraham-Hicks teachings or its followers. It's every man/woman for themselves. People with serious depression issues, unhealed anger will find nothing but increased pain and sorrow if they look for answers in the Abraham teachings. The Abraham teachings can help no one who is suffering. The teachings are only for those who are already for the most part happy and free from Trauma. The book: Ask and It is Given outlines several processes and states that for almost everyone of them you need to be in a happy state. What a crock of BS. People who are hurting with deep seated emotional issues just don't get happy. They need help, love, and lots of it, and compassion. They will never find it from Jerry and Esther.I don't want Jerry to Die, not because I am concerned but because it would be too easy of a way out for him. On the contrary, I want him to live for many, many years and feel depression, despair, hopelessness, and find out for himself just how difficult it is to pull himself out of a negative situation once you are there. This material is useless to anyone in dire straights, suicidal, hopeless, and other severe negative states physical and mental. More is coming later.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The success philosophy that works is one that embraces all humanity as our kindred. That all humanity has the right to live in peace with food, shelter, enjoyment of family. That all life, including animals, is treated with respect and compassion. Abraham preaches materialism, serving self with no regard for others, human or animal. Abraham recently preached to a mother to allow her toddler to kick the family kitty. To that same mother preached to ignore her toddlers tantrums over sharing his toys because the toddler was just like Jesus who didnt care about his toyless friends.To me true success philosophy is about having compassion, respect and love for all life. Apparently you and I disagree. No point in debating the issue.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: And I think most "success philosophies" are just rewritten versions of what has already been written and what we probably already know, if we take the time to listen to ourselves instead of the marketers. Increasing conscious awareness and experiencing the world at as profound a depth as you can imagine is the only road to fulfillment. The rest of it's just salesmanship.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: So, what success philosophy works? To align yourself with positive thinking of what is possible to accomplish or to align yourself with skepticism and criticizing and condemning others? I now only adopt the best of all teachings that cross my path. I feel all organized religions are scams in one way or another, but that does not negate every good thing that is taught.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I was disillusioned by the whole Abraham/Hicks scene when I went to their exclusive message board where you can only talk about Abraham. I sensed some sort of spiritual unhealthiness about the people who posted there. I ended up throwing away the three or four Abraham books I had. HOWEVER, I still feel there is a lot of good in what Abraham teaches. The wise adopt all that is good into their beliefs and either hold the rest in question or casually toss it away.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, of course not, and it was wise of him to ditch the ridiculous "Teachings of Abraham," but ethically speaking, he and Esther need to explain to the many people they have led in another direction, for profit, over the years. Jerry and Esther Hicks seem to have no scruples at all, just greed and salesmanship, no matter the damage to others.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: But see, comments like this are all the same and completely ignore that there is no Abe, its all been a scam. If the hicks held workshops on feeling good and said it was their worldview, fine. They dont however, they say ester is channeling infinite intelligence and they charge a hefty price for this special visitor. Thats lying to people and that is the issue. No one here abandoned a family, bought a mansion etc. That is attempting to diffuse the issue. Nice try but doesnt work.As far as blame for getting medical treatment. Again, comments like yours do not address the issue we keep emphasizing. Abe said they could cure anyone in an afternoonANYONE. While there are a rare few times they say just go to the doctor there are more times they say just work on your vibration and you will be healed. Abe says getting the diagnosis locks in the disease so better not to go.Taking a group of people that believe infinite intelligence is speaking to them, in some cases personally on the hotseat, they take not getting medical treatment as the gospel. Sure, maybe they should be more discriminating but they arent. They believe Ester is channeling infinite intelligence and that advice carries a lot of weight with the followers. Its no different than the Pope telling people not to use contraceptives and they wind up having more kids than they can support. Sure, it would be good if they used discrimination but they dont because hes the pope.Anyone can hold a seminar and say think good thoughts, see the best in folks etc. Anyone can also do the same thing and fraudulently claim it is coming from infinite intelligence that also claims it is the same energy as Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed. I love how the Hicks cover all bases.Bottom line, Ester and Jerry have said repeatedly that the words of Abe are from divine origin. That is unless you dont put Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed in the divine category. Trying to take the focus off these fraudulent claims still doesnt change the facts or the words that Ester and Jerry have spoken.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i think everyone's responsible for their own actions. don't blame esther/abraham because you abandoned your family/bought a mansion on a beach in a country where you don't know the language, with money you don't have yet. remember that there are good things that don't involve so much risk, to be learned from listening to esther/abraham, such as : dwelling on what feels good , seeing people as their highest selves, asking yourself what it is that you want, etc. these are all things that improve your well being and just make you happier, regardless of what you think of esther/abraham. it's sad to hear of jerry's (or anyone's) cancer, and you can't really blame any human being for getting medical treatment if they are diagnosed with a serious illness.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Shenzi,Lower down in this thread, I refuted the idea that the Hicks are tyrannical in their business dealings, using Saddam Hussein as an example of a true tyrant. To you, I would offer that Mother Teresa and Mahatma Ghandi live their lives "in service". I think it is inaccurate to put Jerry and Esther in the same venue as they are.Indeed, if you study the teachings of Abraham closely, it's clear (at least to me) that a life of service is antithical to the teachings. Rather, the focus is on serving personal interest with the logic that following one's personal interest to fulfillment creates a vibration of well-being that influences the surrounding environment. I do think it is accurate to say that Jerry and Esther embody this interpretation of the teaching well and are doing an excellent job of modeling how to be in service to their own process of fulfillment.The teachings of Abraham also say, more so earlier than later, that the true "Teacher" is experience and one should always follow their own inner guidance first and foremost. Putting both of these concepts together, what I surmise is that it's important not to take anything said by "Abraham" as gospel. Always check within to see if it rings true and then proceed accordingly. After 14 years of study within this system, that's what I learned most emphatically through my experience, and I am most appreciative for it.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Plus the sock puppets are soooooooo much fun to play with~for awhile.My capcha for this post is very sync~gigglenose

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Shenzi is blinded by the light, Clarity.And you can always tell when they comment inappropriately at the first chance that they're sock puppets with no intention of responding to or making an alternative case. Robots. Unthinking. Nothing more. I only left Shenzi up because I thought he or she was the perfect example of brainless cult mind-washing.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: This site is rooted in fear and anger.~Then by LOA what attracted you here?~ABRAHAM is pure positive SOURCE energy.~Who told a mother in a recent workshop to allow her child to kick the family kitty.Denver workshop Sept 3, 2011Thats positive?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Except you don't have one to leave on.Cults have their supporting illusions, and you obviously have yours.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: We'll leave the Light on for ya!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Don't wait up for us. Thanks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This site is rooted in fear and anger. ABRAHAM is pure positive SOURCE energy.Jerry is a human being just like the rest of us, as is Esther. No one ever said he was an enlightened master.Both he and Esther are in service to the planet by devoting their lives to bringing ABRAHAM'S teachings to those who desire to learn more. They are human, just like you.As humans, we are all in school here, learning how to live and grow our souls.I LOVE ABRAHAM!ABRAHAM IS A GIFT TO THE PLANET.ABRAHAM IS A TEACHER OF CREATION.Those who have ears to hear will hear.The rest of you will continue to knock what you don't understand until you are ready to wake up. Then you will look for what feels good for you. Yes indeed.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: It really is a consistent pattern. It just goes to show that the A-H followers are like religious followers everywhere. They take what feels good to them and simply ignore whatever doesn't. Not much for deep thinking, they do little more than confirm the assumptions they had when they started. A-H seems like an expensive way to cover your own lack of confidence.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: It always amazes me Dave when people come on here and post Abes message is one of love and joy. I have to say they have not really listened to all of the Abe-isms and are not familiar with the teachings in total.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Good point, Clarity. They are pushing it, but nobody's buying much.Fortunately, at this point, the first coming is and was much more popular than the second. I'm not a Christian, but I'll give credit to Jesus for being brave, original, caring, insightful and self-effacing, none of which attributes can be attributed to Estherham. If she wants to be anointed as some sort of Messiah, she'll need to do something more than spout questionable wisdom for a price fromt he stage. Like maybe she could show a small strain of kindness or generosity instead of swelling narcissism.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Not to forget that Abraham has said they are Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed combined. The Abe Forum, which is under the direct control of the Hicks, has promoted by acceptance an entire thread on Abraham is the second coming of Jesus (recent thread). That forum, which is tightly controlled and all comments of questioning or mention of other teachings is locked or erased, did nothing to dissuade this discussion. Therefore it would follow that the Hicks do support the idea that Abraham is the second coming.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Karen, you wrote: "But here's what I will say, and it's just my opinion only: I'd sooner follow teachings that are based on love and joy than are based on fear and sacrifice. It is my personal opinion that all organized religions have their own agenda of mass control, and that the bible was written by men who sought to control the masses using fear."And I agree with you up to this point. However, Esther and Jerry Hicks preach something far more complex than "love and joy." They claim that Esther is a specially chosen emissary from some nonphysical dimension and that she receives messages that she shares with others as "the teachings of Abraham." This has been proven to be hogwash. The "teachings" are peppered with contradictions and reflect, more than anything, not "love and joy," but narcissism and self-absorption.The teachings themselves are an amalgam of Jerry Hicks' evolving world view with some of Esther's. More of Esther has emerged as Jerry's age and illness pushed him to the background. Esther comes off as a philosophical airhead, advising people to allow their children to abuse small animals as teaching lessons and so on. She faired a lot better under Jerry's leash. The mess she and her cohort have made since Jerry got sick has largely accounted for their loss of workshop attendance. That, and their refusal to explain why his illness and resort to conventional medicine instead of Abraham's "teachings." You wrote: "One more thing: There is nothing wrong with people making money from spiritual teaching. The people who bought or buy into Abraham-Hicks material have not been coerced into buying anything. So they are not victims."By this reasoning, conning people into spending or donating is fine because it's not coercion? Agreed, there is nothing wrong with people making money from spiritual teaching, but that's not what Esther and Jerry do. Nobody would pay attention to the reheated versions of old teachings that Jerry learned if they didn't also cook up Abraham. And Abraham is where all the deception comes in. It gives them extra clout to sling out to followers when what they have without it would never have made them the successes they are. There is no Abraham. It's cooked. Esther may have had a hook at one time into something deep, but she doesn't anymore. No "nonphysical teachers" with immediate access to source (God) would ever come up with some of the stupid, contradictory stuff she does.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I follow Abraham-Hicks. I don't find the teachings deceptive at all. But I don't go around forcing my opinions on anyone else. Spiritually is and should always be personal. What I believe in is my business and what you believe is your business. But here's what I will say, and it's just my opinion only: I'd sooner follow teachings that are based on love and joy than are based on fear and sacrifice. It is my personal opinion that all organized religions have their own agenda of mass control, and that the bible was written by men who sought to control the masses using fear.But I have no issues with what people want to believe as long as they don't shove their beliefs down my throat. One more thing: There is nothing wrong with people making money from spiritual teaching. The people who bought or buy into Abraham-Hicks material have not been coerced into buying anything. So they are not victims. No less than people who go to church every Sunday and are encouraged to give to the donation basket.Religious fanaticism has and will always be dangerous, and anyone, a group, or person who comes along and teaches something better, or different, will always be targeted as a scam artist. That is the sad reality of it.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks Dave for letting me know. I will add my post later. Not sure what you mean by this though: (If you wish to comment, please do so where it's appropriate. There are two more options following this one where all that is being asked for is an orientation answer)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Sure it is, as you can see by the fact that your above got posted. Although this is still getting the same number of reads, there are fewer comments, largely because the Sock Puppets and Friends of Sock Puppets who AHP sent over to attack and divert attention have blown away now that Esther, Abraham, LIVE and all the workshops seem to be winding down. Workshop registrations were becoming harder to get and LIVE was fraught with technical difficulties. So, maybe they're taking a hiatus to realign their operations or, maybe, they are going away as far as public presentations for good. We don't know what Jerry's health situation is, although there are suggestions that his initial round of chemotherapy was not fully successful and he has been trying other treatment alternatives. Jerry is so much the heart and soul of the operation, it's fair to say he was Abraham Hicks. His absence has opened the door for quite a few errors by Esther and her pals.In any event, the main effect here is that there are fewer comments of little value. If you wish to comment, please do so where it's appropriate. There are two more options following this one where all that is being asked for is an orientation answer.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      Dave: I have noticed there have been no additional comments on this lens since Sept 26? Is the lens still open for comment because I would like to add something later on this evening (Wednesday October 5)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Atlanta will be live this weekend. Ashville will not be live, reason given broadband issues. However Dallas and Phoenix live are not scheduled. Ashville goes back to original time frame 9:30 to 4. Registration for each day comes to 250 but as I am understanding you have to sign up for both days. When the Hicks went to the new workshop schedule cutting an hour off, the price remained the same. As the Hicks told it Abe said it would be better for the attendees. There was some lame excuse that people are so busy and this way they have the rest of the afternoon for (basically) errands. The other excuse was momentum was lost after lunch and it took awhile to get back in the flow.The Abeway I attended did not seem to fit that description, or any that I watched. I thought at the time, lets see, a chance to spend a concentrated day focused with the intention of exploring infinite intelligence or half a day and run errands. Sure, makes sense to me.Probably much like when the Hicks can someone and they say We talked to Abraham and they said you would be fine with this. Wonder if the ones responsible for live feeds are getting ready to hear that pink slipor is it slip?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks. I notice someone also referred to it as "feisty." What became of "happy, happy, happy?" (Abe's words.) What came of joy, joy, your way to happiness.Well, we've to the mean Esther back. The workshop registrations have dropped way off and the LIVE thing has been cancelled for technical reasons, which means (as understand it) that Esther and Jerry tried to do it on the cheap and won't pay to fix it. New clothes, disappearing Jerry and his nuisance cancer and alienating long term staff aren't working so well. And pulling up stakes, as Esther is doing now, at least for six months, is a way of waiting for the heat to cool down and followers to forget being deceived. All Abraham Hicks workshops have going for them now is a frustrated, elderly lady who can't count on her meal ticket anymore and believes she has a license to abuse people who have the misfortune of visiting an overpriced, stretch of the imagination hopeful channeling event.When Esther summed up the event today in an email blast, she never mentioned the seminar, only getting there by plane and limo. No claims of new insights, any of that, but at the end, instead of signing off with love, she wrote the she and Jerry appreciate all of their followers.Regretting a little of the abuse, maybe?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Ester back to being nasty~Checking the abe forum on DC abeway seems a lot of hotseaters (Abe renamed appreciation seat) were hopelessly ootv (out of the vortex) and wanted to know why LOA was not working. Looks like Ester is loosing her cool again. Even more interesting is how the flock at the forum relishes this kind of abuse.Ah well, just a business right? I would love to see this scam blown out of the sky and all the little parasites that feed off it.Some quotes~I can, though, give my impressions of the overall tone. This was one of those seminars (assuming you've heard enough to know the "types") in which the majority of those called to the hotseat were those who were manifesting quite significant resistance, but whom Abe was not going to "walk through" going up the EGS. There was very little "babying," as you might say, and a lot of tough love.But much of the workshop was the tone of "You have known this stuff long enough that you know how to apply it. So...apply it! And stop making it sound so hard! All you have to do is feel better!!!" Which, as you know, can make for a wild ride when you're watching, because you're feeling frustrated with the hotseater, or "feel their exposure" or just feeling squirmy and kinda wincing at their resistance, yet knowing that such resistance is going to draw forth pretty intense and "practical" responsesand the intensity of all that means it was electrifying to hear Abe's intense answers and guidance, often dealt with an ungloved hand.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Turrentine: Sam, leave the links out, and try to talk about the subject, not your own beliefs. If you want to expound on what matters to you, you are a Squidoo member now. Have at it. Just not on my lens.

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      Turrentine 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave ~ my response to The 13's post. I found it interesting that you used Walmart. You might want to read the following and the find another mega corporation. http://walmartwatch.org/You don't know what my framework is. I don't know what yours is. Here is something that might put you in the right direction http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html This may give you a glimpse into my views on people and their greed, among other things. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/12/... realize this isn't written in my own words. Sometimes the source material is pretty sufficient. I am not clear as to whether it is the business practices, the family, the friends, Abers (if that is corrrect term), channeling, LOA, Abraham, what they teach, health, medical options, money they have made or employee's just being unhappy with their situation. Are is it just everything. The posts tend to jump all the place. The only one who has been consistant is Ahnalira. The 13, just like I don't know where you are really trying to achieve, you don't know who Jerry speaks with or uses as his business sounding board. Jerry didn't build this business up by living in a void and by not having made mistakes over the years. Netflix made a mistake recently and they are now taking a look at correcting it. Coke tried to changing their formula for their regular coke product at one time and they discovered that was a mistake and backed off that change. I find it amusing that you would assume you know Jerry's feelings and relationships with all his family and friends.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sorry, Cynthia, but I've listened to and read so many of Esther and Jerry Hicks material that the errors in your statements pop out like frog's eyes. You actually seem to have made some of it up, all by yourself, a new twist. Also, since you responded inappropriately the question asked and never read the bulk of the material that follows, as the AHP sock puppets do, I'd suspect you of being one of them, except that you are not especially familiar with the teachings yourself.Jerry and Esther, for one thing, have broadcast plenty of details about Jerry's illness. They initiated it. When skeptics spotted the flaws and others pounced on the cynical nature of using medical updates to try to sell tickets, then they pulled back, essentially disappearing Jerry. As of the past week, they have gone back to email blasts that are identical to those before they announced his "spider bite" and even include the old healthy photos.Your comments on death and pure, positive energy and just parroting the teachings. What does that mean? What is "pure, positive energy?" It's just a dumb phrase that caught on.God only knows what "split energy" you are talking about, but if you'd followed closely, you'd have known that Esther Hicks preaches a) that we don't age unless we chose to and b) there is no reason why we need experience debilitating illnesses. Jerry, she once said, since he would never be sick, was speculating about dying by flying off a tall building.When you write that "The only teaching is vibrational awareness," you show that you are completely clueless on what Esther Hicks has preached on stage for years. Awareness only? Where have you been? In one of those parallel, la di da universes we keep hearing about?There are, by the way, ethical and moral laws against making money by fraudulent means, whether spiritual values are involved or not. Making money is not a crime. Conning or scamming people based on false or misleading information is. Personally, I prefer making money the old fashioned way. Cynthia (nice name choice for your phony identity) Beck (not so nice name choice), hit those AHP books, podcasts and recordings again and please stop back when you have at least a rough idea of what they are about.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      The Law of Attraction says what you give your attention to gets bigger. I completely get why the Hicks are not broadcasting negative details about Jerry's health for the world to give energy to and increase. Also, their teachings about death make split energy "cancer" make since. There is physical and non-physical and death represents movement into pure positive energy. At some levels, we all have split energy as we age. There is no teaching that perfection, ie not getting sick before death, is a desired outcome. The only teaching is vibrational awareness. Esther and Jerry have done a lot of good. Their teachings are helpful and at worst, benign. There is no ethical or moral law against making money in a free country. People are free to buy what they feel is helpful. I have been to other new age seminars that charge a huge amount more (Tony Robbins) and push product a whole lot more than the Hicks. Making money in America used be be a goal, not a crime. I suggest you actually listen to their material before you make bold, condemning and inaccurate statements.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: You are lucky, Carol, to have found a loving community to belong to. Many have found a spiritual sanctuary in groups inspired by Christ. I'm not one of them, but I am a fan. Bless you and yours, Carol.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I need to defend David Stone here, because for all the mistakes you have made, thhe one that applies to me is that I am the Christian who writes here. I did follow the "Abraham" teachings carefully and as an A student for years, until the teachings, besides being expensive, became more and more dangerous and detrimental to Family and kind Society. So if your glance through these writings brought you to the ridiculous beliefs that "the 13" of you have come to, I, and my family are now strong and belong to a loving Christian church. A very healing church for us after the mayhem caused by Abraham's narcissistic unsocially caring teachings nearly ruined our lives.So, no, David isn't the Christian here, I am.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Exactly how would the "anger and hostility" you seem to sense create a safety issue for Jerry if you came up with more information? I've never seen a single threat of reprisal, except against me and that usually from the sock puppets AHP sends here. I am going to assume that, were you able to come up with more information, it would be so antagonizing it might ratchet up the anger. I doubt it. We already know much more than Jerry and Esther wanted anyone to know, and to be frank, there biggest danger is n being exposed as frauds and losing future revenue. That's the only risk they're taking, and they increase it daily with their strange behavior.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Amen, so to speak. You all hang in there.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: ~ the 13I very much heart your post. I'm not the only one.thank you~

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      Turrentine 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnalira ~ Per your earlier post regarding everyone posting as anyone. I have no problem posting as me. I had no desire to setup a lens page and don't plan on adding to what was created when I setup the logon for this account.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Careful with the assumptions. I doubt Jerry sought counsel from personal friends about Ahna. If so, we'd probably have heard sooner. I think this is story making after the fact. Sam reads to me like he's inventing as he goes along to hang inside a corporate cover story meant to make excuses for Jerry and Esther and play inside the guidelines given.Why can't they just come clean and end the ridiculous antics an subterfuge? It's almos clinical by now.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You make interesting and relevant points to me, the 13. Specifically, defining the difference between running a traditional business like Walmart and being a business owner who claims to embrace a set of teachings that are, indeed, the very premise of the business revenue. The disparity between the teachings and the daily operations of the "Teaching" business is one of the shadowy areas that would benefit from some light shining on it, I agree.The opportunity, I believe, is to share truth and the light inherent in truth while staying open to the redemption of everyone in the process.I enjoyed your side note. One does have to wonder how I could have been so important to Jerry that he sought counsel from personal friends about me and, at the same time, so unimportant that he could dismiss the value of my contribution (and the contribution of my partner) so easily.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      since "sam" has so eloquently pointed out that he does not believe in abraham, his comments, at least to the 13, hold very little merit. sam therefore doesn't have the proper framework to understand the impact of what jerry's current situation means contextually to those who've followed the teachings. the foundation of what the hicks have been teaching is now seriously in question. that's the point and the only point. sam waxes on about his chummy bromance with good pal jerry, but he ignores the part where people might be suffering due to his pal's potentially fraudulent teachings. this lack of simple compassion is inherent within the "ah" organization, marc, tracy, barbara, etc. sam's time would be better spent sitting with j&e and advising them to address the "congregation" about all of this, rather than writing posts on a lens that is directed at those who actually have a deep spiritual belief system that's been abused. sam should also realize that j&e aren't just running a typical business. they have willingly positioned themselves as messengers of god. whether he believes in that or not, there are those who do. that creates a huge responsibility, unless you are morally corrupt. these messengers promise answers to life's problems through their dialogue with infinite intellegence. answers to wealth, health and happiness. people have bought into it, and that has made j&e very, very rich. but because sam hasn't bought into the very thing that makes j&e different than being ceo's of say, walmart inc, he is incapable of fully understanding the emotional and spiritual enormity of what 's transpiring from the viewpoint of the men and women who've shelled out millions believing in what j&e are selling. if this were just an ordinary business then perhaps "sam's" ramblings would hold more weight. it's sort of akin to an atheist going on and on about the verisimilitude of his buddy the pope to the practicing catholics who've just discovered that the pope does not practice what he preaches. in fact, there's a good chance the pope's been running a scam the whole time. but hey, keep on buying the merchandise, folks. j&e have merrily put themselves on the pedestal by becoming messengers who have told the faithful that they, too, listen to the message. that's part of every workshop so there is no denying it. the swaggarts and the bakers had similar situations that lead to their implosion and apparently the new age will too. as a side note it is amusing that "sam" would have us believe that a busy man like jerry would share, in detail, his feelings and conflicts about an employee. jerry can barely handle discussing his complicated relationships with his own dysfunctional family. the 13 hasn't time or energy for hatred, but the 13 does have time for exposing and sharing truth.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: One of the fundamental flaws of trying to communicate by posting to lens and blogs is that there are times when further clarification may be required to understand another's intent. I have always and probably will continue prefer in person communications for that reason. In person communication isn't always possible. I enjoy watching the other person's eyes and facial expressions when speaking.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnalira~ I wasn't intending to imply you were the one with anger or hostility towards Jerry and Esther. I was trying avoid stating specific names. I have been extremely impressed with your post, information and ability to clarify. I do appreciate your pointing this out so I could clarify my intent.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Happy day, SamI don't feel angry or hostile towards Jerry and Esther; I would love more information.Best regards,Ahnaliraahnalira@ahnalira-connectedcounsel.com

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ah, wikipedia. Probably the beginning of the end for me. When I finally just said "no more." to Jerry, he didn't talk to me for many months.13, did you really read all those notes? Best regards,Ahnalira

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Happy day, SamYour interpretations are interesting to read... it's almost as though you were 'there' as events played out. A couple of things you say, I will comment on:When you say, "You enjoy working more as a part of a team", I wonder what you are referring to specifically. If you mean my partner and I want to be informed of what's happening in the areas we are held responsible (ie blamed if something goes wrong) so that we can share our expertise to prevent problems... then, yes, that's what I enjoy and prefer. If open communication is teamwork so that everyone involved is kept in the loop, then - yes - that's what I enjoy and prefer. Jerry didn't have to give up being in charge for either of those things to happen.Also, interestingly, you use the term "let go"... We weren't let go; we resigned. However, perhaps you were aware of motivations on Jerry and Esther's part that they were not discussing with us. Perhaps, they intended to make the situation so untenable for us that we would resign? If that's the case, then I question their professional integrity. Consulting contracts - which is what we had - can always be renegotiated in an open and professional and respectful manner - no harm, no foul. It's all in how it's handled.To me, here's the irony of what you say... you talk about how Jerry had problems with people leaving him and his concern that we were moving on created his awkward behavior. But, at the same time, Jerry, by his decisions to exclude my partner and I from project development (again, without any direct communication with us), was pushing us away. The incongruity between his business behavior and your description of his emotional reactions to what he set in motion feels more like "disconnected and not taking responsibiilty for his actions" than anything like appreciation.I think what is more true to say about me than "unrelenting joy" is unrelenting authenticity... which does, as a by-product, often in result in joy. I was authentic with Jerry; it is the most precious gift I give. If he could have appreciated that, who knows where this conversation would be now. I have plenty of room in my heart for many teachings and many teachers. Ultimately, what I take from what you say is that Jerry admired who I am personally even as it pushed him beyond his comfort that I am not easily controlled. I can appreciate that. When it comes to business dealings, however, appreciation without the behaviors that accord professional respect is shallow and lacks authenticity, in my opinion.I do appreciate your intention, though.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      David & Ahnalira ~ I agree there is a lot of information not being provided. The problem I have is the level of hostility towards Jerry and Esther. To provide additional information to those with that level of anger and hostility could present a safety issue to Jerry and others. I have a general distrust of people in general and their motives. I am a financial analyst. I don't and never have managed Jerry's finances. I don't manage any of my friends or familys financial affairs. I dont feel I need to expand on why I made this business decision. I hope that my disclosure of this fact wont be misused to help others hostile or anger related agendas. I have never been in Jerrys employment. I also have a problem with the selective misuse and misrepresentation of information that others provided in their posts. An example would be the posting implying that Ahnaliras post on her experience working with Jerry indicated tyranny and the twisting of my words to make it sound as if I stated David makes millions from his lens. There may have been finger pointing and blaming within the business. I am also seeing it take place within these posts on this lens. I have also noticed a trend in the names being selected to blame. Certain names are never mentioned. I will also stated blaming and finger pointing isnt exclusive to the Abraham Hicks business. If I wanted to point fingers there are a number of individuals who haven't been named that I could post information on. I talking about others that work for or have worked for Jerry and Esther. That would only hurt those individuals. In the post on Kyra's site I saw Ahnalira made the choice to not name names. She did that for her own reasons. I have done the same. I am not going to ask for those names for the reasons I indicated earlier. I stated that I have known Jerry for 60 years. I never stated that I was an adult when we first met. I also didn't share when or how Jerry and I met. There is an assumption that everyone (friend and family) in Jerry's life follows Jerry's teachings or works for him. That is not correct. To be someones friend or to appreciate them, you dont have to share their philosophy or work for them. If that were the case life would be extremely boring. What I know is based on conversations with Jerry. What you know is based on your personal experience and perspective. Jerry has his experience and perspective. Each person has their own perspective of each experience that they have. Every individual as the ability to stay in their current situation or change it. Views I like regarding anger and that I apply to my life (these came from an anger management group I participated in) Taking Responsibility: When you focus on something that someone else did you give away your own power. When you focus on what you could have done better, you often fill empowered and less bitter. Put yourself into the other persons shoes: We all make mistakes, and odds are you could have easily slipped up just like your friend, co-worker, boss, husband or child did. Compassion dissolves anger.Reminder that Anger hurts you more than it does the person who upset you: visualize it melting away as an act of kindness to yourself. Remind yourself these are your three options: remove yourself form the situation, change it, or accept it. These acts create happiness, hanging onto bitterness never does. Like Ahnalira, I am my own person and I have my own agenda.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Uhm, so did Marc.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: "Sam," I have never bet or talked directly with Clarity. I do get a kick out of her though. Defining others in a derogatory manner is generally ineffective, and you are are guilty of it as anyone. You just play victim instead of attacker. Inconsequential difference.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Clarity, I am absolutely rolling in royalties from Squidoo, as you and "Sam" have advised.By the way, you have probably played a little online ping pong with Marc in another disguise.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Pop psychology books and courses can be dangerous because they mislead people into thinking they can summon up a personal profile using shortcuts. In this case, you have created a vision of Jerry as someone about as sophisticated as a school girl puzzled over her first heartbreak. Jerry may be many things, but jejune, he is not. He's been there, as they say, and does waste a lot of time scratching his head over the mysteries.This reads strangely personal, as if you're reaching out to Ahna on your own behalf and painting up Jerry as your alter ego as a stand in. Freud taught us a lot about transference, and here you are giving us a living example. Listen, Ahna is as generous a being as you will ever know. You don't have to put on Jerry's clothes as an act to reach her. Just be truthful, if you can.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: The 13, you may be right. The best possible result would be enough enlightened understanding that Jerry and Esther step and make a clean statement about it all. The vast majority of people who have followed them are kind and gentle. They'd take it in stride and forgive them. No question. Some would remain followers.The main drawback is that neither seems big enough to step out into the light honestly. Besides that, there are a good number of folks, like Carol Simsak, who are outspoken about the damages that have been done. No telling how they would take it. And finally, Esther and Jerry and a small group of insiders may not know how to get along without the money feed they've been taping for twenty-five years.There are good ways and not so good ways for this to come to a head. They are in control of the outcome. Let's up they step up.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Happily, Clarity,I am my own person through and through; used by neither faction to support anyone's agenda but my own. My agenda, for the record, is to be part of the solution. I define the problem as a situation where the gap of reliable information leaves many questions and much speculation. I see the solution as bridging those gaps with reliable, accurate and truthful information that engenders deeper understanding of the dynamics at play.Personally, I have no interest in attacking anyone or joining forces to attack anyone. I am doing my best to be a reliable source where appropriate as well as an honest seeker of truth.One of the fascinating truths about this dialogue is that everyone can post as anyone; no one is required to stand forth as who they are. Some people do; I choose to be one of them. My personal preference would be for everyone to stand in the truth of who they are and speak openly. But since I don't know that for sure about anyone else, I choose to engage with everyone who posts respectfully and at 'face' value. I think it's possible that, because of that, I elicit less adversarial posts than you rather than a nefarious plot to divide and conquer.And, even if your surmisal is accurate... no worries since I'm not playing sides anyway, n'est-ce pas?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Having that level of anger isn't healthy.~Jeramy said almost the same thing to me.Um~Ill take it under advisement.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      there is no need to justify your lens from the likes of "sam". his aw shucks j&e are just normal folks posts have become more aggressive, revealing and desperate as they've gone on. perhaps they are the works of jerry himself, or written by the materialistic, vindictive, controlling esther. one can only wonder. at any rate, sam's subtle inference that you are making money on the backs of j&e is classic "ah" strategy. it's a sinister, public way to try and minimize the value of what you and other people are saying. he then compounds it by attempting to shed doubt on the traffic coming to your site when sam knows, as do we all, that this lens is growing in popularity every day. all of this coming after a few lighter, friendlier posts to your lens so as to slowly gain credibility and suck the reader in. sound familiar? so ignore the "ah" parlor tricks, friend. but if you'd like to see the "ah" pattern, look closely at their collection of rebuttals and comments in workshops, videos and even their books. whether talking about rhonda riding their coattails or making comments here about you and your lens, they thrive on making everyone out to be greedy mungers out to make money off j&e's backs. meanwhile, j&e clearly make money off the backs of people's insecurities and those truly desiring to be in touch with spirit for all the right reasons. they are the people who truly suffer. in truth, j&e have borrowed heavily from others' works although they like to claim their work is the alpha and omega of metaphysics. this is not to say their seth lite material does not have its merits, but it really comes down to intention. one look at the deep history of e's wikepedia page tells the whole story: footsoldiers unleashed like bats out of hell to make sure j&e own it all. be sure and read all the notes, and bring the popcorn. j&e had an opportunity to come clean with followers about the spider bite and this whole debacle, but as you rightly said money is more important. the self-abusing aspect of the "ah" material is still the most dangerous part of things. the upside is that there are many, many people connecting to one another through all of this and it is leading to a delicious culmination point.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity ~ I am sure you have a valid view to share with others. I find it hard to accept your view when you posts such as what the one above are volatile and disrespectful of others. I believe we mutually agreed earlier that we would end our discussion. I realize you are a friend of Davids but that still doesnt give you the right to be so hostile or disrespectful of others views or posts. Having that level of anger isnt healthy.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I absolutely love the sock puppets. Here we are to believe that Sam, lifelong friend of jerry for 60 years which makes him early 80s to early 90s since Jerry is 87, minus 60, puts him at 27 when he and Sam became friends, spending his time here with us. Well, I guess Sam could be younger but I dont recall reading anywhere that Jerry was into mentoring young boys.Anywhonow we have Sam, this older gent, successful with his own business, revealing Jerrys deepest most feelings of appreciation for Ahnalira. So touching Im almost verklempt. Seems like I heard thru the grapevine that Marc, husband of Tracys best friend and top dog on the AHP brown nose ladder has the, um, ability to tell people what they want to hear. Its one of his shinning attributes that endears him so much to Jerry and Ester. Can we say there is an intention to diffuse Ahnalira? Jeramy tried to do the same thing. I think I see a theme, um and um again. Buddy up to Dave, demean me and court Ahna. Next time try a different approach so we can have a little fun guessing its you.So do we have Marc or Sam, kindly old gent who has nothing better to do with his days and late nights writing long dissertations on a blog dedicated to exposing the Hicks for the frauds that they are?You be the judge.Oh and Dave, I didnt realize you were getting rich off this lens. Were going to have to renegotiate my Hawaii junket bonus. I want a room with a view. None of this bs you fed me about sleeping under the stars on the beach would be good for my soul. Just make sure there are no foreign yachts around because I certainly dont want to come in contact with, quoting a poster on Cosmic Connies blog~dreaded Hairy Jumping Yacht Spiders (arachnea cruisesquealia).~nite nite

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnlira ` You are what I would call a creative and spiritual employee. You don't separate the two. Jerry appreciated your talent. Jerry was a bit confused by your desire to seek other counsel and interest in pursuing other non Abraham projects. Jerry also indicated he may be preventing you from satisfy your needs to express your creative and spiritual interest. This was difficult for him to acknowledge. Your outspokenness was refreshing and confusing to Jerry. Jerry has always had difficulty in the giving compliments department. Jerry also has difficulty showing his appreciation. Jerry is controlling. I will not dispute that. You as a creative person, I think would have benefit more by being included and having more input into the Abraham Hicks processes. You enjoy working more as part of a team. Jerry works best alone. You like to be responsible for your own deliverables. Jerry wants to control the entire process of the deliverable. Your ability to live totally in the moment was fascinating for him and off putting. People who go around hugging and kissing trees are hard for Jerry to comprehend. He described you as always laughing or meditating. A person of unrelenting joy. You have a lot of what Jerry would like for himself. This is what I picked up from my conversations with Jerry regarding you. Jerry appreciated you in more ways than you can imagine. Jerry's problem was he didn't know how to communicate effectively this information to you and he wasnt able let go enough to allow you to complete the processes for him. Jerry has difficulty flexibility. Jerry expressed his appreciation and admiration of your work. Jerry just didn't know how to handle you and your outspokenness. Jerry has difficulty with people leaving him. He thought you were preparing to go your own way. I suspect that may explain the awkwardness you felt towards the end. There was also a business reason for letting you go which had to do with the idea that your work could be maintain by someone less creative. I dont agree with the way they ended your business relationship. I think you hit it right on with the inability to communicate effectively. I agree that I cant fully understand your experience. Just as we cant fully understand Jerrys experiences in life, thoughts or what he is going through now. You worked with him for a lot of years. I think you know Jerry isnt an open book when it comes to his life or family, but he does give occasional glimpses. Once he is comfortable with you he opens up more.My temper is something I struggle with. I have made some bad decisions because of it and some couldnt be undone. I will probably make more mistakes because of it.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Gosh, here again, I have to let you down. It's obvious now that your goal is to make excuses for Jerry and Esther's behavior. You're a friend to them, and good luck to you. If these are the friends you wish to keep, it's your business.Just for the record, my lenses, articles, hubs and blogs about Esther and Jerry get hundreds of reads every day. People find the information by searching for terms like "Esther Hicks Scam," "Jerry Hicks Cancer" and Abraham Hicks Fraud." There is a growing awareness. If they don't comment, it's because, unlike yourself, they come without a preset agenda, just curious to know if AHP is unscrupulous and to find information Esther and Jerry don't provide. Listen, dude. When they disagree, they say so. Not many do.You may think everyone is greedy and dishonest because of the company you keep. I know tons of people who are generous, kind and loving, far more, actually than people out for themselves like yourself and your pals at AHP.People are essentially good and trusting, which is how they get hoodwinked by the Abraham Hicks scam. Most never imagine people can be as narcissistic and uncaring about others in the name of spirituality as Esther Jerry are. Of course I earn money when people read my articles. Look at your local newspaper. Do you condemn them for running ads. No, of course, you don't. Writers are rewarded for providing valuable information and condemned when they provide the kind of garbage Jerry has, for years, sent them out with missions to counter blogs that challenge them and to write glowing reviews on Amazon. I can't believe anyone would be surprised that writers get paid for being read. Is that shock to you or anyone else.By the way, Jerry and Esther are about 5% of my content, but 100% of those who put up fraudulent nonsense to excuse a scam.Thanks for reminding me to inform readers.ss

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Nice insight. Thanks for your contribution.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: sam, no true "friend" of j&e would ever post on this site. so nice try. the truth is j&e do not have friends. friends grow with one another. j&e have employees in place of friends. loyal footsoldiers. bravo for the effort of masquerading as a pal of j&e, sam. must admit your method is a bit different than the other "ah" minions who troll around here and over @ kyra speaks in a feeble attempt to protect them and keep the machine running and the paychecks coming. most footsoldiers are novices compared to you. your tactic is much more insidious. you claim to not believe in abe so as to make yourself sound legit. then there are the broken sentences and unique paragraph structuring and well chosen words and backstory. charming. but for those of us in the know and even aware of scamway we see through cleverly written posts meant to dillude and confuse. in truth, the bloom is off the rose. the great and powerful oz has left the building. there are people in high circles of publishing, law and entertainment from the $20 million man to the darling of sitcom TV who are quietly beginning to lift the abrascam veil for others. not to mention there is a trail of one time true believers callously left behind j&e's arctic freeze who are connecting. the next few months are going to be quite fascinating. the bottom line, which you amusingly dance around ad nauseum, is this: if j&e have had access to infinite intelligence the way they've claimed (and bilked millions of dollars from people as a result of that claim), why would these loving beings not warn the messenger that he was manifesting this disease early enough to prevent it? there is no good answer. it is as abe would say, illogical. j&e have openly claimed they are in constant contact with abraham, and have used the guidance of abe to avoid mishaps and missteps for the past 30 years -- from making bad business decisions to stubbing a toe. it seems only logical that abraham would at the very least indicate j&e were creating something as dangerous as this disease. would you agree? doesn't matter if you do or not. on the other hand, following the loa logic, perhaps the disease is a manifestation of j&e's flagrant, loveless, self-absorbed actions? whichever way it goes, j&e's credibility is out the window. things just don't add up. there are real people hurting out there and it is they who are really in need.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave ~ I choose to be selective in what I share. I will continue to be. Just as you and "all" the other posters are being selective in what you post. Reasons for each of us could vary. Many things in life are dangerous. I stated earlier I didn't believe in Abraham or channelling. I didn't give my reasons why. The answer as to what went wrong, isn't something I have the answer to. I don't believe in Abraham and I don't believe that Jerry is ready to give up on Abraham. Jerry still has a strong attachement to this belief. Everyone has different levels of empathy for situations that come from values and experiences that are learned early in life. This isn't to say that those values or learned behaviors can't be modified or changed. Jerry has been there for me and others over the years. If we each look in the mirror I think we can find we have each at some time in our life hurt someone knowingly. We don't always communicate our feelings well. I agree with Anhlira regarding Jerry and Esther not being very good communicators when it comes to some personal or sensitive concerns. I don't think that they intend to hurt others with this ineptness. Before Jerry can discuss his illness and label he needs to accept the implications. Jerry hasn't moved that direction. I have to accept that Jerry might not accept the implications of his illness. I liken it to learning to accept yourself and where you are at today. I haven't seen that many overtly of the people that you are saying made Jerry "rich and famous" clamouring for the information you are requesting. If the posters on your lens is any indication, there aren't many. If I see more, then I might be agree with you. We don't know what the individual personal communications between Jerry and some of these people might contain. All that you are producing are business publicity communications, not the personal communications. See my first sentence in this post and I will add, I view everyone as greedy and dishonest. This lens for example is making you money and that money is the result of your comments regarding Jerry and Esther. You are indirectly making money off of their business and spiritual teachings. My view is you are benefiting from Abraham Hicks even if the benefit is indirect. Having said this should you maybe disclose this fact to those that support your views on Jerry and Esther Hicks. I stated before I agreed to disagree. I appreciate your follow up and comments.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Just to add my two cents to Ahna's comment, she is not the only one Clarity and I have heard from about the treatment received from Jerry and Esther, who commonly used the phrase, "We talked to Abraham, and they said you'd be okay with it," when they slammed employees. So, they figured how to leverage Abraham in many ways. Ahna just happened to be the most respected person we heard from, which is why nobody from AHP attacks her directly.It's not that Esther and Jerry have been off the charts bad employers as sole proprietorships go, but they set a standard of love and joy and acted completely different when off camera.

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      @anonymous: Clarity ~ Then we have no problem, since I had no desire to have further discussion with you. What I perceive is that you prefer to use insults, innuendo and misrepresent what others say to win an arguement. I have already stated I don't believe in Abraham. You are the one that continues to argue the beliefs and be disparaging. Life has taught me there are always three sides to the story. Discussion by mutal agreement between you and I has ended.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Happy day, SamFirst, let me appreicate your willingness to dialogue with your employees in a way that allows a feedback loop from them when your behavior gets emotionally reactive. Kudos to you. It's true that all of us have triggers that cause an emotional fuse to ignite, and when that is acknowledged in an honest way, it's no harm-no foul, in my opinion. It is unfortunate, however, in situations where the boss's volatile reactions are the basis for how decisions get made and communication is more often indirect and by hearsay then by professional channels. For me, no matter how many times Jerry and Esther told you they appreciated my efforts (assuming they did), those words did not so often translate into business behavior... though, I will happily accept the thought for the deed per your word. It is a good thing to be appreciated; feeling appreciated, of course, takes it to an even more effective level; >)I respect your personal friendship with Jerry. I wish both of you well, and I hope you realize that my experience within the organization is something you could only understand if you had been there with me living it.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sam, you're very selective in what you chose to discuss about Jerry and Esther Hicks. That they are regular people as you describe then is not in question. However, with 24X7 access to Abraham, Jerry should not have cancer. Period. He and Esther have always said that we give ourselves illnesses.This teaching has been extremely dangerous to believers who took their advice (coming as it did from eternal beings connected to source) and made their illness much worse and/or blamed themselves for what nature provides a part of the process of cell replication. I've repeatedly asked the sock puppets Jerry and Esther send over to this and other threads to ask them to do the right thing and simply come clean. Explain where the teachings went wrong and help others understand their own predicaments. They will not do it, and the reason is fairly clear: they don't want to damage the cash cow, no matter how much good it could do.Jerry and especially Esther Hicks are extraordinarily short on empathy. They'd rather have the money than the betterment of others. If you call these people your respected friends, some serious introspection about the type of people you hang with is in order. They have hurt others and continue to do so knowingly.That said, let's go back to Jerry's cancer, since you keep trying to reduce it to ordinary terms. Let's look again at the quote from Abraham in 2005 that Clarity shared with us: "We could take an example of the person who is noted by medical doctors to be the sickest of the sick, and if we could hold them in suspended attention for an afternoon, their diagnosis would change."If Esther and Jerry trusted their invention, Abraham, all they needed as a single afternoon with their "nonphysical teachers" and the diagnoses would change. Why did Jerry run to conventional medicine instead?Here, again, the reason is obvious. Push comes to shove and the reason is obvious. Chuck Abraham and try to save your ass. But don't by any means share the whole truth with the trusting fools who keep ponying up money for what they both now know is nonsense. LOA, fine, but they take it much farther.Call it lying or not, every day that passes with their continuing to overtly mislead people and not come clean is dishonest and, in essence, cruelly self-centered. Sure, Jerry might have thought he had a spider bite. Once he knew he didn't, why not come clean instead of dancing all over the place before jumping to "massive chemotherapy" while leaving only the spider bite out there for a reason. I actually read one airhead on the Abe Forum wishfully argue that was getting chemo for the spider bite and rationalizing this position by claiming that taking aspirin was chemotherapy.These people have made Esther and Jerry Hicks rich and famous. Could they help them with a little truth, a little caring honesty?Oh, and by the way, as I've documented elsewhere, Esther and Jerry put out an email announcement to followers saying how they were both feeling fit and rested and looking forward to the next round of workshops. The did this two days after Jerry started his chemotherapy regimin for leukemia. Was that chemotherapy or are you so hooked on the story being told you can't see these two for what they are: greedy and dishonest.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Sam, Im not going to do back and forth with you because you remind me to much of Jeramy and that just looped.Assuming I would suggest you carry suggestions from me to the Hicksare we serious here? Jeramy made a lot of assumptions too.If the Hicks did and do believe in Abe then the information Abe has been giving for years turns out to be false. Its not just the health issues, there are other instances but right now the topic du jour is health. Abe has given counsel to hundreds at least, on how to approach disease and treatment thereof. Some of the advice is quite frankly dangerousmost of it is matter of fact. No one makes anyone take Abes advice but when Abe bills themselves as the same essence as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad then you have a tricky situation because you have a religious following where thought is discouraged and faith is encouraged.Since Abe was not accurate on the health issues, as can be now seen by the Hicks, then the only ethical thing to do is have an open discussion with all the followers that still ascribe to Abes health advice. It could possibly save lives.That simple~

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Hey Ahnalira,Yeah, if they really do believe in Abraham then it must be a real let down when Jerry was not alerted that he had leukemia and then he was not healed because according to Abe they could heal in an afternoon and anyone (without Abes in your face presence) could heal any condition in 30 days. That Jerry has access to Abe 24/7 even if it took a week or two, healed is healed right? If Abe goes grocery shopping with them, furniture shopping, takes Esters eye test at the DMV (because she failed it on her own) and pulled them from the jaws of death accident wise several times it had to be shocking that Abe didnt tell Jerry his fatigue was more than fatigue and his spider bite was not a spider bite. At that point if I believed I was channeling then I personally would have real qualms about who the heck was coming through and did they really have my best interest at heart. The whole trip with cancer is early detection. Abe could have given Jerry a head start on all of this and might not have had to do emergency heavy chemo which is grueling at any age but even more so at 87.The other scenario is that Ester knew Jerry wanted a channel and faked it. Kyras blog has an interesting story on one such woman, not wanting to lose her husband, who faked channeling. It's no secret that Jerry had a roving eye, can't even remember how many times he's been married (at least 5 where he looses count), and was engaged when he started dating Ester. When i watched The Secret Behind the Secret the dvd had extras. You know, the parts that didn't make it to the main release. Jerry starts telling a story about an old girlfriend and Ester said we don't have to go there, was obviously not happy about this, but he just laughed and told the story anyway. I thought at the time it was odd to see such tension over an old girlfriend but I didn't know then what I know now. If that is the case then Jerry, being duped all these years, must have been in for a real shock when Abe didnt tell him he had cancer and then was not able to heal him. It keeps coming back to this quote"We could take an example of the person who is noted by medical doctors to be the sickest of the sick, and if we could hold them in suspended attention for an afternoon, their diagnosis would change."05/17/2003 Boston, MA ~As far as tyrannyI hear ya. I guess I should have specified I was using the definition for tyranny in the work place, not the government definition. Thats the pisser with definitions. Words have multiple definitions according to the reference being used. The Saddam reference would not be applicable in this situation.Thanks for letting me clarify that point~Best back to you (smile)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave~ I respect your opinion. I also disagree with the assumption being made that "they" are lying about Jerry's illness. I have already stated my view on Abraham. I can tell you that Jerry isn't ready to throw in the towel. Jerry still believes in Abraham and believes that he can overcome. Jerry although influenced by Abraham and his wife, is also influenced by friends such as myself and his family. That doesn't mean he will always do what we suggest, but he does listen and come back for further conversation. We have gone through life agreeing to respectfully disagree with some of the views we each have. If Jerry (and now Esther) were tyrannical, they would not allow any opposing views into their world. Side note to Clarity ~ influencing and discussing opposing views doesn't mean that we control the other person or demand a change. Each person has free will to choose. Before you even post the suggestion, I am going to tell you now. I am not going to go back to Jerry or Esther and make demands on your behalf. If the list of things you wish to change is important to you, then you should reach out to them yourself and attempt that change. I would suggest that if you work to change the presentation of your concerns and open dialog with them at some point. That doesnt mean they will come to agree with you, but you will get further than with the current approach. Just because Anhalira didnt feel appreciated by Jerry and Esther doesnt mean she wasnt. Also, if someone running Jerry and Esthers office is being tyrannical, then tell Jerry and Esther who that person is. Just because they lose their tempers doesnt mean that the office supervisor should be tyrannical. Often times the owner is unaware of the problem until someone steps up and says something. I read Anhalira's post and at no point did she say that they were tyrannical. Many business owners are known to be very controlling. I am guilty of that. I am also very short tempered. My chief accountant who has been with me 20 years is quick to point this out to me. When I start yelling or blaming, my granddaughter, who is also my receptionist loves to tell me to take a chill pill or will yell back at me the question do you really want to have that stroke. I had one former employee call me a unprintable word. I still gave him a good employment recommendation. He was a damn good employee. Demanding that his friends and family tell Jerry what to do, just because someone doesn't like Jerry or Esther isn't going to produce results. I know it doesnt produce results when someone makes demands of me. I get defensive or shut down. Dave ~ As to whether Abraham can heal. I can't answer that any more than whether or not Kangen Water does all that some say it does or claims Electric foods cure, that bathing in Jemez Hot Springs cure certain ailments or the belief that Jesus had the power to heal. There are plenty of people that will put all their wealth and health into these beliefs. Short of passing a nanny type law that mandates that people must go to a conventional doctor there isn't much that can be done. Nanny laws in my opinion or a form of control. Some of these laws produce good results, but is it right to determine what others are to do and believe? I am still trying to decide the value of nanny laws. As to their lying. I don't share that view. Jerry had a cyst that he stated looked like a spider bite. Jerry stated he took what he felt was the path of least resistance. Jerry also stated he was receiving chemo. Don't forget that at this stage Jerry is still able to make his own decisions, the amount of information that Jerry chooses to share is based on several factors. Among them is the acceptance of his condition, his spiritual belief system and what his doctors are doing to treat this ailment. Some people have difficulty accepting death. Esther for now, has to allow Jerry to make the decisions regarding his health. Jerry is still being kept in the loop regarding business. He isnt doing day to day business, but still involved in decision making. I recall Jerry sharing with me why he opposed conventional medicine and hospitals. One of the reasons of several he gave me was that when people go into the hospital they dont come out. To understand this comment you would need to know more history. Based on Claritys tendency to take other peoples statements, and apply only her interpretation to them I am I am not going to share the history. No offense Dave, I realize the lady is your friend. I find it difficult to respect views of individuals who do that. My son use to tell, the my grandkids use your words when they were asked a question or needed to respond to something. I was set to go visit Jerry when he share the news of his illness with me. Jerry declined my offer. Jerry said he really wanted some alone time to work things out with Abraham and consult with the oncologist he was seeing at that time. Jerry was overwhelmed with information on where to go for treatment. Jerry and Esther had received an unprecedented number of calls and emails with this information. Jerry needed time to sort through it all. There are some new treatments, not all in the U.S. and some still experimental. Some of these treatments were spiritual and traditional treatments. During our conversation, I suggested Jerry stick with the conventional, but wasnt sure that he would. I also suspected that part of the reason Jerry declined is that he didnt feel his usual dapper presentable self. This last part is just my assumption. So having presented my view, I am going to agree to disagree with you. I think we need to also agree to disagree on Santa Claus. I will also stand by my long time friend. I dont have to agree with everything Jerry decides or believes to do that. I will agree that Jerrys belief in Abraham and Channeling does illicit strong reactions from both sides. My granddaughter after a debate with Jerry tells me "he is just so, so, so, so...." I am still trying to figure out what the so is. No, she doesn't believe in Abraham either.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Clarity,I'd like to respond to a couple of your points.. I think Jerry and Esther believe in Abraham, too. The ability of the conscious mind to selectively filter experience and behavior is well-documented. It's easy to find selective evidence to support any belief. I know many, many people who believe in 'truths' that are apparently incongruent to their behavior and the perceptions/experience of others. (It might be even more true to say I don't know anyone who isn't at least a little bit self-delusional in some area of their life.) Belief is a very personal experience, and I - personally - choose to give Jerry and Esther the benefit of the doubt in this regard just as I would hope people give me the benefit of the doubt in areas where I am still evolving congruency.On the topic of tyranny again... tyranny, by definition, infers no choice in the people who are subjects of the tyrant. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. Jerry and Esther are, at best, inept at communication, and, at worst, uncaring and manipulative and insensitive in the treatment of people who work for them. But all of the people who work with them choose to be in the situation and could leave at will - not tyranny, by definition.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: @SamFriend and I were discussing your post this morning. Comments from said friend~that I find personally to be spot on.This statement baffles me:"I can tell you that Jerry and Esther do believe in Abraham. Abraham is real to them. Esther and Jerry do believe that Esther channels. I do not need to believe in Abraham or channeling for them to believe in it."Many fraudulent Spiritualist mediums fooled not only friends and relatives, but their own spouses. Why does this guy think he is so special to the Hickses that he would be privy to know whether or not they actually believed this?"Whether or not the perception was borrowed or not doesn't make it less valid or relevant to those who believe. Santa Claus was borrowed from the English Father Christmas, Dutch Sinterklaas, Odin and other Christmas gift bearers in other countries and religions. I do not people making claims of fraud, plagiarism or recycling beliefs. The belief of Santa is linked to consumerism, jobs, greed, religion, tradition, over indulgence and expected behaviors."We know Santa Claus was borrowed, and no one has suggested that they divined the idea--if they did, we would rightly call them frauds."To enforce a tyrannical workplace themselves, they would have to be there more than 3 - 4 months out of the year. So that is a little bit difficult for them to be the actual enforcers. Yes on occasion they can be short tempered. As the poster earlier stated they are human."This is just absurd. All they have to do is pick up the phone."If the information had been plagiarized this would have come to light a long time ago. Jerry's wife has free will."A) Why would this have come to light a long time ago? B) What does this have to do with Jerry's wife having free will?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: After looking all over the damn place for the quote~You had to ask didnt you (smile) finally found it where else~Kyras blog.What would we do without her (smile)."We could take an example of the person who is noted by medical doctors to be the sickest of the sick, and if we could hold them in suspended attention for an afternoon, their diagnosis would change."05/17/2003 Boston, MACrisp enough for you Dave?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: What has this come to? Parsing definitions?Nope Dave, just explaining why I used the term tyrannical as to my understanding of the definition of the word.No biggie.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What has this come to? Parsing definitions? PS: Clarity, I think he already got your point.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Clarity, if you can give the source for that quote, I'd appreciate it. I know they've said something like that, but I haven't seen anything quite that crisp. If you have the quote, I would appreciate it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: TyrannicalExercising power in a cruel or arbitrary wayOppressive: marked by unjust severity or arbitrary behavior; Unjustly cruel, harsh, or severe; arbitrary or oppressive; domineering. ArbitraryBased on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or systemUnrestrained and autocratic in the use of authorityAutocraticIn which one person possesses unlimited power

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So refreshing to hear from someone who hasn't tramped over at the behest of AHP to spew silliness and accusations. I agree with you, in essence, that Jerry Hicks seems to be an interesting, sincere in his intentions sort of guy. I do think his overall intention has always been to help, contaminated as it may have been by ego and greed. The greed, I think, is mostly Esther's, as is the narcissism.I disagree with you on Santa Claus, however. I've seen him at Macy's. Huge line. And I'm pretty sure they made a movie about him.I'm going to be brief, here. Yes, Esther and Jerry are just people, as human as you or me. But that's exactly the problem. As clarity has tried to point out, in her way, they should be more. If they believe Esther is channeling the deepest wisdom (which they have, not just shared, but sold aggressively), and they have 24X7 access, there is no way Jerry would have cancer or not be able to dispense with it simple, just as they have guaranteed others they could do.Since their teachings failed completely and, at the first opportunity, they ran away from Abraham to get conventional medical treatment, wouldn't you think decent, honest people would be generous enough to followers who have trusted their advice to at least openly admit the truth that Jerry Hicks has cancer? They not only haven't done so, they've twisted around like verbal gymnasts to avoid saying so.Lying to or misleading people about his illness is just good business for them. What business readily admits that the goods they've been selling are junk? Dangerous junk. And there's the rest of the problem: As you make clear unintentionally as you wrapped up your comments. This is a business, not a spiritual mission, and the one has so polluted the other, there is no way to ferret out the truth. Esther and Jerry Hicks could make a fan out of me simply by being upfront and honest about what has happened. Instead, to keep cash flowing from their every hopeful followers, they continue to dodge, feint and reinvent.

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      @Ahnalira: Absolutely Ahnalira. I use the word tyrannical as my assessment of conditions due to not only your statements but what I have heard from others. While you did not use that word I liken tyrannical to these kinds of politics~Esther is emotionally volatile and quick to blame. As a result, the office culture was set up to point the finger of blame towards someone else, and everyone scurried for cover when Esther got upset, hoping no ill will fell towards them. Jerry is mistrustful and controlling; hes not one to get openly upset, but he carries a grudge for months at a time.The prime directive is keep Jerry and Esther happy. Hide facts, if necessary. Give the 'right' answer, and do whatever is asked without question. Early on, Esther 'laughingly' dubbed me a "mayhemer" because of my propensity to be forthright and authentic in the expression of my opinions.Because Jerry and Esther are prone to changing their minds capriciously, the office politics revolve around who can get their ear. Whoever is talking to them most often is best positioned for power and getting what they want. Jerry and Esther promote this competition by discussing their dissatisfactions with staff to the staff who is currently their favorite and encourage staff bring them information about other staff. Indeed, very rarely do Jerry and Esther speak directly with an associate about a problem or dissatisfaction. I realized early on that since they were criticizing other staff with me (and not saying anything to the person directly) that it was probable they complained about me to other staff. I learned to read between the lines of the jokes and side comments they made and take it as feedback.While a pretense of friendliness is maintained (and expected) amongst works associates, it is pretense; the norm is for people to speak negatively about each other; and competition rather than support is the status quo.That coupled with Jerry requiring staff to keep a daily diary of what they do each day, turning it into him (among other antics), equates to tyrannical in my definition but for clarity, it is my value judgment, not yours.~peace (smile)

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just to clarify:I did not use the term "tyrannical" in the description of my experience, and I didn't intend to infer it. I was in no way tyrannized through my associations with AHP.Clarity, I respect your right to your perspectives and opinions - just want to be clear that I believe 'yrannical' goes beyond what I shared and meant by what I shared.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: @ Sam TurrentineYou should get together with Jeramy Kensington. You two are the only ones who know about Jerrys inheritance and have extensive knowledge of leukemia.You can meet him at The Shade Tree every Thursday evening. In his own wordsI am the dark, good looking guy with the Flame Blue Pearl 2010 Heritage Softtail Classic. Maybe a tad on the heavy side. I will let you be the judge on that. I do work out 2 - 3 times per week. You might have a lot in common (wink).

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: To enforce a tyrannical workplace themselves, they would have to be there more than 3 - 4 months out of the year. ~Simply not true. Ever hear of the chain of command?~One thing I can tell you is that when they have mentioned their staff to me, they have had nothing but the nicest things to say about each and every one of them.Here is an opposing viewpointhttp://kyrasdiary.blogspot.com/2011/08/guest-post-... is not the only opposing viewpoint. Ahnalira is just the brave one to post her experience.~The santa claus analogy doesnt fit this profile but nice try. ~Esther and Jerry do believe that Esther channels. If they do believe that Ester channels and that Abraham is real then how is it that Abraham has stated on numerous occasions they can heal anyone in an afternoon if they hold audience with that person? Abraham said often they liked working with critically ill the most because they were the easiest to shift.Maybe then Jerry and Ester should say we really believed in Abraham and are just as baffled as you as to why Abraham didnt tell us that Jerry had leukemia instead of fatigue and why Abraham didnt tell us the skin lesions were Leukemia cutis and small cysts caused by the leukemia. We are equally baffled as to why Abraham was not able to heal Jerry. We are also baffled as to why Abraham said Jerry was such a good example of being in the vortex more often than not and he still got leukemia. We believed when Abraham said if you are in the vortex more often than not you wont get a life threatening disease. (I would have to look up the percentages that Abraham gave and I don't feel like it. However any of us that were Abers have heard this repeated many many times.)Therefore our faith in Abraham has been called into question so we are taking a hiatus on the workshops while we figure out just who is coming thru Ester and why they are lying to us all. We feel it would be irresponsible to continue with the workshops till we determine for ourselves why the information we have been receiving is not accurate.Our love,Jerry and EsterThat would be ethical behavior. Jerry and Ester are not being ethical.It is that simple.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: To satisfy Dave's question ~ I am not a follower of Abraham and never have been. I have known Jerry for approximately 60 years. Clarity ~ There is no God, Jesus, Santa, Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy either. I hope that clarifies that. We won't clutter Dave's site debating the existence or not. That is what I believe. Jerry and I have had many discussions about this over the years. I can tell you that Jerry and Esther do believe in Abraham. Abraham is real to them. Esther and Jerry do believe that Esther channels. I do not need to believe in Abraham or channeling for them to believe in it. Whether or not the perception was borrowed or not doesn't make it less valid or relevant to those who believe. Santa Claus was borrowed from the English Father Christmas, Dutch Sinterklaas, Odin and other Christmas gift bearers in other countries and religions. I do not hear people making claims of fraud, plagiarism or recycling beliefs. The belief of Santa is linked to consumerism, jobs, greed, religion, tradition, over indulgence and expected behaviors. I know firsthand that Jerry and Esther pay their permanent fulltime staff above average for the geographic area. Cost of living in that area is also low. So the combined should allow those employees to have a pretty high standard of living. The staff probably does better than Dave who has a much higher cost of living. It won't matter how much you money you make if you don't manage your money correctly. You can have the income of a CEO and still struggle if you don't develop financial wisdom. As to partying and living like a champ. They have done very well that is true. I wouldnt describe them as partiers. To enforce a tyrannical workplace themselves, they would have to be there more than 3 - 4 months out of the year. So that is a little bit difficult for them to be the actual enforcers. Yes on occasion they can be short tempered. As the poster earlier stated they are human. One thing I can tell you is that when they have mentioned their staff to me, they have had nothing but the nicest things to say about each and every one of them. residualehco ~ you are correct in your stating that Jerry has lived a long life, well beyond the average life expectancy. The addition of the webinars and other revenue sources was for that reason. Jerry thought he was becoming fatigued because he needed to slow down. Esther was ready to do the same. They actually were working to prolong the life of the business by creating new sources of revenue. Both Jerry and Esther had become tired of living on the road. Thus the new revenue sources. For there to be jobs for these people there would need to be a source of revenue coming in. The other option is to remove the source of revenue and end the jobs. Which is very likely going to occur and not for the reasons you think or would like to believe. If the information had been plagiarized this would have come to light a long time ago. Jerry's wife has free will. Healing by spiritual, traditional, or conventional medicine has for many centuries been debated. Just look at the current political debate that is going on regarding health care. Many consider that this is a personal choice, much like religion.All ~ Jerry received a very large inheritance in the early 60's that was totally unrelated to Amway. That is where he got his big financial boost. And no he didn't take advantage of anyone. After reading a number of the lens written about this my first recommendation to Jerry and Esther will be reduce staff and outsource. It will be a lot less headaches for them. My second recommendation to Jerry and Esther will be to go back to hiring only family members (should they desire keeping their business going). It will also solve the debate of wages being low and the environment being tyrannical in nature. Acute leukemia, symptoms appear suddenly and worsen rapidly. Jerry had been experiencing severe fatigue. He also had what was called Leukemia cutis and small cyst (he described as looking like a spider bite). It was the cyst biopsy that alerted the dermatologist. The dermatologist referred Jerry to an oncologist. Dave ~ you call me a Aber or sock money I am going to the corner voodoo practitioner and have them create a doll in your image so I can poke needles in it. {joke} Hahaha. I hope this satisfies your curiosity.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: But his main question that brought forth Abraham was "How can I enjoy my life experience without lessening any one else's life experience."~See my post belowthere is no Abraham.~While Jerry Hicks partied and lived like a champ, inspired millions, and shared a very valid perception that worked wonders for many people,~Jerry shared a borrowed perception (plagiarizing Seth and others), made into a lite version so palatable to the masses. He added marketing twist like Abe could heal the sick or near dead and was the same as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed. He then made up this incredulous story that it was because of his being the questioner of all questioners that Abe was brought forth. He then put his wife on stage as the supposed channel of that infinite intelligence known as Abraham and charged money for the performance, recordings, and books supposedly written by Abe. He partied and lived like a champ based on fraudulent behavior. While he was partying and living like a champ he enforced a workplace that was tyrannical in nature with a staff that was poorly paid.It is really very simple.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Maria-Zuzeena: Abe said give them an afternoon with anyone who is critically ill and their illness will vanish in the course of that afternoon.Its time to just accept the fact there is no Abraham.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Residualehco, you're such a goof, I hardly know where to start.First, I guess I have to excuse you for not answering the question asked: Are you or have you ever been a follower of Abraham Hicks. I guess you answered indirectly, but you should read what you are commenting on before commenting. It just reduces the chances of your sounding like a moron. Just a suggestion.Second, I guess I have to forgive you for not knowing the really obvious difference between a blog and a web page. Again, I guess you were just too excited with your agenda to notice.Jerry's lifespan or expectancy never has been an issue. Rather, it's his having cancer when his own teachings are that he wouldn't and his not curing himself right away with better thoughts, as he and his wife have made money preaching for decades. Hm. He went for traditional medicine, against Abraham's teachings. That's the issue. Got it now?I know it gives you a sense of confidence to think I believe in Jesus (who Esther claims is a member of the Abraham whatever it is), but alas, I am not a Christian. I admire some things about Jesus' rebellion, though, if that helps you.Best of luck on guessing about whether I'm happy or bored or whatever. Not a subject of this lens, although I do have a number of others, like "Tao of the Optimism Junkie" where it is. If you'd like to read some of them, you can comment to your hearts content, as long as you stay on topic. I don't allow ads in comments or irrelevant venting. It wastes readers' time and diverts them from the subject. You just barely made it under the wire as an example of the stupidity that bubbles out of the cesspool at AHP marketing. Thanks for the example.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      DaveStone13: Life expectancy today is approximately 77 in the US. Jerry is 87. If Jerry Hicks had a main desire to live to be 110, then you would have a leg to stand on. But his main question that brought forth Abraham was "How can I enjoy my life experience without lessening any one else's life experience." Now you may think that a boring long life is the best life experience. I'd rather party like a rock star and die in my 30's than have to never enjoy myself fully so I can live to be 110. We all have our preferences, and more over, WE ARE ALL HUMAN'S. If you die before you turn 77, I am going to write 70 pages of blogs about how DaveStone13 believed in Jesus and died before the average life expectancy, while Jerry Hicks partied and lived like a champ, inspired millions, and shared a very valid perception that worked wonders for many people, while DaveStone13 blogged about a human getting cancer, twisted semantics to foster his agenda, and still couldn't live an average length of life, and based on all of these blogs, it seems your enjoyment is less than average too... So you may live to be 110 after all. Bored much? (And it seems you pick and choose what posts you allow to appear here, lending further to your circular reasoning)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Maria-Zuzeena: You may be right about that, MariaZuzeena. As you may have noticed above, Esther and some associates (probably without Jerry) are trying to reinvent her Abraham persona in a way different than what Jerry allowed. The question, though, since Jerry was the brains of the works, is how successful they might be. My hunch is that, without Jerry, the act will fizzle out over a few years as more followers drop out and get wind of all the contradictions, errors and shallow narcissism. Time will tell.

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      Maria-Zuzeena 5 years ago

      i do not believe it is the end of Abraham if Jerry dies. After all he is not the one channeling. From the very beginning, knowing what I know of spirituality, I realized Abraham was not the know-it-all. They know A LOT, but not the ultimate knowledge. Never-the-less I appreciate their contribution and revelation of some of the details of creation. Jerry will pass away as we all will. Will join the light as we all will, will owe some karma to abraham for earning so much money from all the information they shared and, when he is ready, will evolve, as we all will. I wish them all the best.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Pretty corrupt, right on the face of it.YES! I think the greed, the deception whatever we are calling it, became real the moment the Jerry and Ester team decided to charge money (not ask for donations, or even graciously accept a gift if given) for handing out "wisdom" they were claiming was from every leader whose name evokes excitement in our human, seeking hearts. Would Jesus, Buddah, or even the Holy Spirit have asked for cash first?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I guess most people want to access something sacred and powerful with deep meaning-they just don't want to work for it or adhere to any doctrine that they consider "too religious" to get it. They would rather pay some carney or conman or con-woman for some spiritual snake oil.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yeah-that's what I love about Christ-no profit motive!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes-Esther is in touch with God, or Gods, or something real special...according to Esther. And there are people who want to pay her to flap endlessly on and on about-"In the Vortex" drove it home pretty strong for me.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: There are some pretty obvious precedents, aren't there? Seth, Theo, same model, and Esther and Jerry knew both well before they created the Abraham shtick. If Jesus only had known, he could have had Mary do the speaking out while he pulls the levers in the background. Guess he just wasn't eager for money enough to come up with the big idea.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Oh yeah...the whole Amway roots on the husband/bushiness manager guy - big old red flag in my book!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Esther says she is the same as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. We may all have some connection inside us. It's more complicated than the Abraham crowd would like it to be. Whatever it is or isn't, few claim the exclusivity Esther now does (She originally didn't and others have claimed to channel Abraham.) and, then, use that to sell "wisdom."Pretty corrupt, right on the face of it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My experience started last night. I have a cold and was surfing the net. I looked up "The Secret" because I have a good friend that nice was enamored of that deal and tried to get me to get into it. I ran across this Abraham-Hicks stuff that way...this is the the precursor to The Secret as far as I can see. I watched a bunch of clips fr the Abraham-Hicks website and figured it for a scam. Some of the ideas are simple and good...perhaps Esther is personalizing and complicating a simple connection to God through the Holy Spirit...you know,that thing God put in us all-? No matter what each of us calls it - we all have access to it- and it's free! People are so pathetically desperate to grab onto something that exists on the inside of each one of us. Abraham...Egads!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: I probably wasn't clear enough above in reference to their "wanting it all." I didn't necessarily mean from Rhonda at the time. I meant going forward. They saw the potential in "law of attraction" blossom with The Secret, and they weren't collaborating anymore. They wanted full control and all the profits.Jerry saw the opportunity and ramped up the book publishing and more. He tried to trademark "law of attraction," and repeatedly made the false claim that AHP invented it.In perspective, what came before, whether faked or genuine, was gentler, kinder, more inclusive. After, it was all avaricious. No amount of dough was enough, and they lost all sight of their original intention to inform and inspire. The angling for money intensified, and truth went out the window when it got in the way.In the longer view, Esther and Jerry Hicks are just people, with just as many good and troublesome points as the rest of us. It's when they invoke an imaginary entity as the ultimate source of wisdom that they become something else. In my opinion, something less.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: To clarify:When Jerry and Esther first agreed to work with Rhonda, she signed a contract protecting the rights of Jerry and Esther to own all of the intellectual property associated with the law of attraction. When Rhonda's first intention to create a tv series (in Australia) fell through, she determined to produce The Secret as a DVD which required (from her perspective) that Jerry and Esther release their intellectual property rights. Jerry and Esther refused, thereby backing out of the deal, and having themselves removed from the dvd - hence the second version.From a legal perspective, Jerry and Esther had to refuse or else they would lose all intellectual property rights in general by setting a precedent.That said, "something" definitely shifted in their general demeanor after that episode in their life, and I can't say it was for the better... yet; >)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: This is off topic, but I think it might help. But Clarity's and Carol's posts brought it to mind. Are you familiar with the process called "Dying Consciously?" The process helps individuals to understand the kind of psychological and emotional closure needed. Its purpose is to help the person making the journey beyond death do so peacefully. It incorporates an emotional healing processes for the individual, their family and friends. It can help those (individual, family and friends) who have fear of death and those with unresolved issues through the process. There are specific steps that can help bring reconcilation. It can help families who don't know how to come to closure of the passing of a loved one.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: As I recall the Hicks never wanted it all from Rhonda, Rhonda wanted to cut the agreed upon percentage. I may be wrong, pretty much everything is hearsay when you get right down to it. Even at that I never read the Hicks wanted it all. Well, lets not use the word want, it would be ludicrous to demand from a producer all the profits.And yes, from what I gather with others viewpoints, the Secret did seem to be a turning point for the Hicks. Ive seen the same in friends who moved into a position of incredible wealth and get blindsided. I cant honestly say it wouldnt happen to me were the opportunity to arise.Greed comes from fear. When we forget our connection to love source creation we scramble in various ways to secure a position of imagined safety. It is no less than the dynamic that is being played out globally. Wars are born from greed and that greed is fueled by fear.The Hicks even with all their exposure to an expanded perspective via a real Abe or from reading, who knows, fell into the trap of fear. When we live in fear we experience a state of dis/ease. Their experience has taught me so much. I look more for the seeds of fear within myself now. I remember more to point myself in the direction of the love source energy that I know is real, real for me anyway, and this was long before I ever heard the word Abe.There is so much propaganda happening on a global scale. Wars of aggression have nothing to do with humanitarian reasons and yet by our own silence we support those wars out of our own fear. I do believe the tide is shifting on this, at the very least I hope so.In my world these are pivotal times. Im striving for greater accuracy in my own clarity of thinking and then expressing of those thoughts with the same clarity. Maybe its as simple as we spread the message we dont have to be afraid anymore. Thats where Im starting anyway.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: @ Carol,So sorry to hear about your sister Carol. Its just possible, but how could I know for sure, that in your enthusiasm for your conversion to Christianity when you visit with your sister this enthusiasm becomes a regular topic. If it were me Id leave off any discussing about my beliefs as to how it all works and just find excuses to have fun with my sister, share love and support for whatever path she chooses. She may not be around for the long term and these times are precious for sharing what matters the most, love. As far as her treatment, she might have other reasons too for not seeking conventional treatment. Were I to be in the same situation, having nothing to do with Abe, I would not go the conventional route. Its just me and I made this decision 40 years ago when I applied for a job to be a liaison between a cancer research lab and incoming hospital patients. For some of us there are things worse than death. I would actively treat my cancer with alternative methods. I have a cancer forum for animals and there are so many excellent options.Then again your sister may have other issues within her life she is seeking relief from. Death is not a bad thing, it is a release. Ive known people that should have, could have survived, pick death from another level so no matter what they tried (conventional or alternative) it didnt work. Ive seen the opposite too for those that chose to carry on. Im not talking about the words someone says, words can be deceiving. There are always so many issues going on with someone who is seriously ill. The issues of cancer especially indicate an internal process that is very conflicted and seeking resolve, on one level or another. Its easy to say she is not seeking treatment because of the Hicks but she would just by the nature of the disease be examining some major life issues within herself. Its a pivotal time for her and if she was my sister Id simply find ways to share some good times and not mention the Hicks, christian conversion, any of that. Id reminisce about good times shared as children or other milestones in your lives together, whatever I could find to make the bridge heart to heart.Love is the only thing that matters. If our love is not getting thru the quest is to find out where we as individuals block getting that message across. Ive seen it too many times in my own life to have this be pure conjecture.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: I believe it happened when "The Secret" flashed green before their eyes. Sharing with Rhonda Byrne wouldn't work because they wanted it all for themselves. Now, it's a kind of sickness where enough is never enough, and they so lack values they feel comfortable using Jerry as a sales tool for more tickets. Beyond weird and into obsession.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: The other piece to add to this is that it was Esther and Jerry who initiated the updates, first to provide cover for cancellations and Jerry's absence, dishonest though the information the updates was. They continued the updates in that vein until it became clear that the cover story wasn't going to fly. Then, they scrambled sloppily for a bit, finally eradicating the chemotherapy talk they'd started and going back to the life is fun mantra.Somebody ought to clue in Esther, by the way, that the balloon trip was an update, a visual one, but an update. They have always updated followers on personal matters, from driving mishaps to how they were building their new house. Now, when a positive spin on Jerry illness could help others, they are retreating because, by lying, they backed themselves into a corner. They only way out is to pretend it never happened, which what they are up to now.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: I agree, David.At the very least, some kind of open communication of how Jerry is dealing with cancer might give people who are attempting to follow the 'law' of the teachings some grace to get help.Or, Abraham/Esther could go back to telling everyone to not take what they say as gospel - to always listen to their own Wisdom, first and foremost. When did JEstherham go from sharing a teaching that got people in touch with their own Inner Wisdom to spreading the word of JEstherham and creating a cult? That's what I wonder.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: One of Abraham Hicks' arguments, carried here by their sock puppets, is "What's the harm?"I hope what you have said here helps explain the answer.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: I must have finally been clear enough with the promotional machine, as after the saccharine tasting little Jerry and Ester song came out, I have not received any more promotional messages at all! Who knows? I sign my real name to many of these posts, and in other places, Facebook and such, I am openly positive about my conversion to Christianity through the very liberal and loving teachings of the Methodist Church. Maybe they really did give up on me. I'm glad, as every time I saw their names in the return address spot, my gut wrenched with how their teachings ultimately traumatized me, and shook up my family as well. So I haven't seen the pictures being discussed. Really the only reason I'm telling you this is to point out that it seems it is possible to dodge their campaign, and I'm glad. I am sorry for Jerry and his physical pain. I have a sister with cancer who, largely because of Abraham's teachings has not sought treatments, except when she was so weak she couldn't get up the stairs, she did allow an operation to remove the growth. The cancer has apparently spread, because the full hysterectomy did not remove the blood indications that the disease persists, but she will not accept more treatment than a special cancer fighting diet, which she has been on and off again for the past few years. A great part of my heart's pain is that I introduced her to the teachings, and now she has withdrawn her connections from me. The Hick's money making scams may help those who take them lightly, but for those of us who really devote ourselves to being the A+ students that we are, they have cause horrible, irreversible damage. And as I have said before, it's the perfect scam in that if it doesn't work when you think and do everything they teach you, it's your own fault. It's your own thoughts, not the false teachings, and that is the harshest, most unloving part of the "Abraham" message. My sister's cancer is only one of the ways my family was effected by their greed. So, back to topic, I know it is possible to stop the onslaught of advertising from the A-H machine, or at least I have been able to do so. -Carol Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity, Thank you for sharing the volunteer guide on being kind to animals. Here are two that I have shared with my adult children and use when talking with my grandchildren. http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/talking-... philosophy that the animal and child will work it out is one that I have heard others use. I will add it seems to be dominate in certian age and cultural groups. Not that it excuses it or makes it an acceptable philosophy or practice. It is just something I have noticed and think means there is still a great need to educate and maybe target that education to those specific groups.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks Clarity, I enjoy your comments also. I agree - I certainly fall into the trap of taking this 'inner work' (and myself) way too seriously at times. Every so often I kind of wake up and laugh at it all, then promptly fall asleep and descend into 'serious mode' again. It is about perception, as you say, and it's quite interesting watching my own level of awareness rising and falling - it seems to take me a while to stabilise at a more perceptive state. This reminds me of the Stuart Wilde books I used to love back in the 90s, when I was first getting into this kind of thing - he was always talking about the importance of expanding your perception. And he's also gone a bit 'odd' in recent years. When authors I like go off in directions I no longer vibe with (or reveal themselves as flawed humans just like me), it just hammers home the fact that my own guidance is all I can really rely on. I've seen it happen so many times that the A-H developments just seem par for the course. :)(Sorry Dave if I have gone a bit off topic here- feel free to delete/edit my rambling!)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Hey Ahna,Taking this further otDave can slap our hands later (grin). Its Saturday night and we seem to be the only two here. I do appreciate what you say. That you can still listen and find words of wisdom not only do I appreciate that direction I will say you are a braver man than me Gunga Din.Actually since the hicks thing Ive been reading new and revising old esoteric ramblings. Im so grateful for the whole Abe experience even to the point of discovering the ruse bc it has somehow sharpened my ability to discern on many levels. Im having more fun with exploring than I dreamed could be possible. Im not so serious any more. I have much to be thankful for to Abe or whoever is doing the shtick.Mostly since I found out about the ruse Ester bores me (which was happening before the ruse discovery, I just thought something was off with me). Not saying this as unkind or judgmental. There are just so many times I can watch her, its so predictable (get in the vortex), so canned (for me personally) Im just choosing things that challenge me a bit more these days. I know the Hicks are just as human and just as much source energy as me. I would have to say that bc of everything that has happened I love them in a way I didnt before. They are such a comedy team, all the infinite wisdoms in this highly dysfunctional and devious couple. What a thing to pull off and then get caught with pants down. Must be a mind bender for them both. The few times Ive watched Ester since the spider bite brew ha ha she seems dispassionate or desperate depending. Therein is my lack of interest. Certainly not from an anti hicks thing although nothing wrong with that either, just not where Im coming from.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I understand, Clarity. Everyone has to follow their own heart in these matters. My primary desire is to find ways to be more and more aware and awake and comfortable in my skin - and for me that means conscious awareness on as many layers of Truth as I can hold at any given moment while continuing as best I can to steer clear of conjecture and assumption, aspiring always to let everyone (including myself) off the hook, as it were.I heard a line in a tv show tonight that I just adored: A politician caught in scandel was asked why he make these ethically, low moral decisions (that he was currently serving prison time for)... He answered, "I am a flawed human being. I've looked at myself in the mirror, and I didn't like what I saw. I need to make changes," then he paused and added, "That said, I think it's time to turn the page and move forward."I really like that answer.. so there's a window into who I am. Ultimately, I'd rather be happy than right... though I do like being right, too :PDave, if I've gone too far off topic here, I won't take it personally if you delete this; >)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: While I appreciate your 2 cents and it does make some sense, if there ever was an Abe, if, Im convinced there is not any Abe now. Ester is being given a script and her handlers would certainly know that sooner or later this question would make its way to the hotseat therefore she has been prepped. So anything Ester says these days is simply imho a scripted performance and I dont get any more insights from the script like I used to. That and knowing the devious nature of the Hicks makes it even more so.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Listening to the Phoenix recording today (Yes, I do still listen to the workshops and do continue to benefit from some of the analogies and stories used in my own process of understanding how life works; >), someone in the hotseat asked how Jerry is doing, and Abraham/Esther said he is doing very well. Then, later in the segment added that Jerry and Esther understand that people would like updates but they don't want a million people focusing on 'what is' while their intention is to focus towards what's becoming and that's why they don't give any(I am paraphrasing).I understand their logic... and it is in keeping with their particular teachings. But I think their is an inherent flaw in the thinking that, by not talking about it, they can control the minds of a million people and keep them from thinking the thoughts Jerry and Esther don't want thought. It seems to me that the million people who are interested will be thinking about it whether it's talked about or not... and that, perhaps, a more effective technique would be to acknowledge 'what is' as a jumping off place while asking support to focus towards the desired intention.In fact, this might be the quintessential example of how the "Abraham formula" doesn't work... at least, for me, it seems there has to be a way to integrate all aspects with acceptance to accomplish a true vibrational resonance with a desired outcome. That's my $.02 to spend as you will :PWhether an update comes or not....

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Im with you Tabby, to quote a previous poster, take the best and leave the rest. Its like that in life. You can find clues to the matrix just about anywhere and part of the fun is the deciphering process. I thought Abe was real, found out Abe wasnt, still got some nice hits, really nice and moved on. As Abe and others have said, life is a journey not a destination. We take things much too seriously imho. If you forget how to laugh it puts a damper on the whole thing. Im basically amused by the AHP thing (sock puppets et all) and chuckle when Ester puts her foot in her mouth. Kicking the kitty was a big open wide and insert. If I can chuckle at her I can chuckle at myself. I think its all about honing our powers of perception. Even when I let myself be duped it increases my awareness so thats good. I too have enjoyed your comments. Thanks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thanks Dave. I didn't know AHP were using sock puppets. For the record, I'm not one :D (and if you can see my IP, you'll know I'm not even in the US).I'll stay out of any arguments from now on. Despite my earlier comment, I prefer to avoid getting involved with internet drama, and I can see that feelings run high among many people here, which I do actually understand. I'll continue to read though, and appreciate the uncensored info & different perspectives.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Tabby, you are welcome to leave any and all comments, pro or con, as long as you stay on the subject. I do a little snarky myself, from time to time, for effect.No defense for conduct you find offensive, but what Mr. Williams might be reacting to is the fairly high volume of sock puppets AHP has sent over to try to divert attention on this lens. (We've actually traced the IP addresses of several commenters with different names and found them to be coming from the same computer, one located geographically close to AHP headquarters. The apparently weren't aware we could do this.) You don't seem to be one of them, and since we became upfront about confronting them, they are drying up.As long as you have something to say germane to the subject, have at it!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: lol... you're wrong. My position on A-H is exactly as I stated in my comment, and of course it's possible to take what works for me and leave the rest. Not everyone is as limited in their ability to assimiate conflicting ideas as you seem to be. I'm glad I don't see the world in such black and white terms. Also, I am not here to 'offset the negative and critical viewpoints' presented in these lenses. I agree with much of what Dave is saying, and where I disagree, I don't feel any need to try to bring others around to my way of thinking. And sorry to disappoint, but I'm not in a position to 'go on back and tell Jerry and Esther' anything (even if I wanted to, which I don't), since my only connection with them is as an occasional customer of their products. Do you realise how paranoid you sound here? Anyhow, I've no intention of arguing further with someone who has clearly decided that because I'm not condemning A-H out of hand, I must be some kind of brainwashed minion sent here by J&E. I won't be responding to any more of your closed-minded and presumptous attacks. (Sorry to leave such a snarky comment on your lens Dave - but Mr Williams is out of line here, and I don't tolerate cyber-bullying.)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I also assumed that the photo was originally just a family snapshot that they later decided to include in the newsletter, as Ahnalira says. But maybe that's naive of me... who knows. It will be interesting to see how things pan out over the next few months. Yes, I have read the whole lens, and several others too - lots of food for thought here :)

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Regarding the comment from Tabby: I do not believe for a moment that you are anything other than a true blue Abraham Hicks follower and you are definitely on their band wagon 100%. You are trying to avoid direct attack and criticism from others on this lens by pretending to be understanding of those hurt by the teachings of Abraham and the hypocrisy of,Jerry, and Esther. Your entire post is just an attempt to offset the negative and critical viewpoints this lens presents to other readers who are critical of Abraham, Esther, and Jerry.You see, it is really impossible to take what resonates with you and leave the rest because it is impossible to separate a piece from the whole. You either are a follower or you are not. You are a follower, plain and simple. To accept one thing as good and helpful from the teachings of Abraham and overlook the rest cannot be done in truth, but only in lies.If Abraham was actually real and was a being of integrity, Abraham would not allow Esther and Jerry to continue the lie. Abraham could merely choose to refuse to speak through Esther. But because Abraham is still speaking through Esther and ignoring the hypocrisy that Jerrys illness presents, then it means Abraham is not a being of integrity. Abraham is a creation of Jerry Hicks, plain and simple. Jerry is the great Oz behind the big curtain.Cancer did not just sneak up and jump on Jerry. Jerry has had ample time to come clean and insist on being upfront regarding his illness long before reaching the stage he is now in where he is physically unable to be a participate any longer in the charade. Jerry is the master mind of Abraham and is really the one responsible for all the deception. I have heard Jerry speak on at least two occasions of a magic voice that speaks to Jerry whenever danger lurks. One time Jerry was out walking near a big rock and the voice told Jerry to leave the area immediately. A few days later a girls body was found under the rocks. Oh, if Jerry would not have heeded the voice, he might be in jail on suspicion of murder. Another time Jerry was driving and stopped at an intersection when the voice told Jerry to get on the sidewalk now. Jerry drives onto the sidewalk just in time to avoid a vehicle who barreled through the intersection and would have caused Jerry serious injury. But NO!!!. Not Jerry. His magic voice saved him. Then along came a teeny weaney spider with big bad poisonous fangs. What happened to the voice Jerry warning you about that big bad spider? Next these evil cancer cells tried to invade Jerrys body. No Voice this time either Jerry? I simply dont understand. I mean, where is the Magic Voice when you need it?So Tabby please go on back and tell Jerry and Esther that at least I am onto you and your attempt to divert the purpose and intent of Daves Lens.Wayne Williams

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: A couple of quick thoughts, my thought process on this anyway. While the joyful family outing scenario may have legs, it seems unlikely since no one is the family is controlling the marketing output. As you know, the narratives do not appear to be in Esther or Jerry's voice. After the founded so messed up the message after Jerry got sick, someone else has them in damage control mode now. I think a pro would only use that photo for a reason, and that reason isn't simply to demonstrate a happy family outing.I doubt that Jerry Hicks would voluntarily let a picture of himself looking like that go public. He's too smart to make himself look weak.I too wish they'd let us know how Jerry is doing, and I think the way he is being treated is appalling. Jerry has many good qualities, and as they will learn, the rest of AHP has got nothing much without him.And, of course, they had to stop talking about his condition because too many questions were being raised. They would eventually have to admit he's be treated for leukemia and explain how that could be, considering the teachings. That's why the tried to dodge it with spider bites and any other diversion they could come up with. Not knowing what else to do, they just shut him and his cancer out of the discussion.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Generally, I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt; I think it's very possible that the photos were taken as part of a family outing and then it was decided to include them in an E-blast... In which case the conscious motivation would be to share a joyful moment with fans. That said, the unconscious aspect of ourselves does pull many strings from behind conscious motivations which makes it possible, as well, that you are picking up on an unconscious intention, Dave; >)Of course, we can't ever know for sure; it's all speculation. The facts are that mention of Jerry has disappeared from E-blasts as well as from workshops. Another fact is that E-blasts have increased from 'occasional' to weekly and the workshop registration list of email accounts was dumped into the promotional E-blast list a few weeks ago without getting permission from account owners (In addition to Clarity's comments, I've heard from others privately saying the same thing). It's also a fact that there are no workshops advertised beyond Dec 4, 2011 and it takes months in advance to book conference space at hotels.Personally, I would love to know how Jerry fares and wish the marketing would stop for a moment to give an update; I hope whatever his physical condition, he is at peace with what is and enjoying his life.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Since you commented near the beginning of this webpage (what you've seen so far is the newest additions), I hope you read through the original, basis for the material. Anyway, what you are say is a not uncommon take on them. They've promoted some interesting, helpful philosophies in the past, nothing new, but at least they borrowed ideas from good sources. The last five years has been a downhill slide, but now, Esther is being reinvented. We may see some good come of it. Time will tell. Esther isn't bright enough to carry the ball by herself, and it depends on who molds her act.As for the gondola ride photo, you may be right, but I don't think so. If it was just a family outing picture, then sure, make Jerry comfortable. This photo was put up for promotion. Unless whoever staged it was excessively stupid, they would never put Jerry, with all the questions about his health flying around, back in a corner. He was parked there for a reason. Subsequent email blasts from them practically erase him altogether, and even in the other photo for the balloon promo, Jerry is looking away from the camera, obscured by shadows while Esther is full-faced and smiling. If it's not a message, it's completely inconsistent with everything they've done before it. The AHP crowd is very calculating. No exceptions.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Interesting lenses Dave - quite eye-opening.My experience - I've found a lot of value in the A-H material over the last few years, and continue to do so. So I'm not on the anti-A-H bandwagon. However, I've never thought of myself as an 'Aber' or follower in any way. Much of what they say has felt a bit 'off' to me, so I just take what resonates with me and leave the rest. It always amazes me when some people seem to treat every word Abraham says as gospel, rather than actually taking their advice and following their *own* inner guidance!As for J&E - I don't pay much attention to them, and have never put them on a pedestal as so many appear to have. The events of the last few months don't really surprise me, although I have been a bit annoyed by all the recent promotional emails. I signed up for the daily quote list, and I don't mind getting announcements about new books & that kind of thing, but being contacted about every new online workshop boradcast is a bit much. I'm guessing they're trying to boost their sales since they aren't doing as many live workshops these days? (BTW, I do think you're reading a bit much into the family photo. I didn't get the impression that they were trying to hide Jerry. I just assumed he's sitting down because of his illness, and the corner of the basket would be the most convenient place to put a chair.)Abraham's dismissive attitude to animals has always bothered me a lot, and the thing about the child kicking the cat is very disturbing. Hopefully the mother will have enough common sense to intervene & discipline this brat, despite Abraham's advice. Abraham's position on children generally is much too permissive, IMO.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: They must have an arrangement or contract with an email marketing service. The service they are using is called Constant Contact. It was the Safeunsubsribe logo at the bottom that was the clue. Constant Contact has a decent reputation. www.constantcontact.com

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yup, that's exactly what I mean. Thanks for catching me. ;~)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: When you teach a child to be kind to animals, you help pave the way to a brighter future for all living beings. Animals benefit because the next generation has learned to treat them with respect and compassion, reducing instances of animal cruelty. Children benefit because learning about compassion and empathy early in life builds moral character, reduces violence, and builds a sense of empowerment and responsibility. And society as a whole benefits when its members are more caring towards each other and the animals who live among us.Unfortunately, not all children are taught to be kind to animals. This gap may lead them to tease animals or otherwise disregard their feelings; in the worst cases, it can lead to acts of animal cruelty.Animal cruelty is a heinous act punishable by law in every state, but in recent years, there has been increasing recognition of the link between animal cruelty and violence to other humans as well. For instance, it's often the case that children who commit animal cruelty have witnessed or been victims of abuse themselves: In roughly one-third of families suffering from domestic abuse, at least one child has hurt or killed a pet, according to the Humane Society of the United States.Sadly, violence begets more violence, and those who start off abusing animals often end up abusing people too. People who deliberately abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against people, four times more likely to commit property crimes, and three times more likely to have a record for drug abuse or disorderly conduct than those who don't, according to a study by American Humane. In fact, the FBI reportedly even uses reports of animal cruelty to assess the potential threat posed by suspected and known violent criminals.http://volunteerguide.org/volunteer/fewhours/kind-...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: MomLady said~Narcisistic and mentally ill that they actually think they are the new Word of God? (shudder)Few months ago I posted a thread from the Abe Forum devoted to Abe is the second coming of jesus.So yes, we will recondition J's image to one of serve self first last and always and condone animal abuse. Just think of that mom when her son is throwing a fit because he doesn't want to share and kicking the cat too boot (pun intended). She will smile sweetly and say oh look, that's my little jesus clone.Although I work with animal concerns in a service capacity I am not an animal activist by any stretch of the imagination. Humane society organizations send emissaries to the elementary schools to educate the children on humane treatment. These organizations state that children must be reached by the fifth grade to be effective based on extensive research. Adults that commit violent crimes are directly linked to early childhood abuse of animals.Whereas before I did not hold the position that Ester posing as Abe was dangerous I have changed my position.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: The unsubscribe option at the bottom of the promo was different in the two emails. The addy I use for promo's had the usual, This email was sent to a_t/////@c//////l.net by announcements@abraham-hicks.com | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe | Privacy Policy.Abraham-Hicks Publications | P.O. Box 690070 | San Antonio | TX | 78269 The unsubscribe on the second promo had only If you received this e-mail as a duplicate or wish to be removed from this list -- Click HereWhich indicated to me they knew exactly what they were doing.Don't they realize some of us are not asleep at the wheel and see these things? Not to mention that I see from your link Ahna (thanks), the second promo did not have this legal requirement...Tell recipients where youre located. Your message must include your valid physical postal address. This can be your current street address, a post office box youve registered with the U.S. Postal Service, or a private mailbox youve registered with a commercial mail receiving agency established under Postal Service regulations.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Whether or not Abraham knows about the law, I am confident that Abraham-Hicks Publications does :P

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Hey, Carol. Thank you. For the record, although he denies it when beneficial, David Gordon has received a monthly payment from AHP since he started Abe Forum. Funny thing is, insiders say that Jerry and Esther don't even like him very much. He's good for the dirty work though, helping them keep up the "We'd never do anything like that" facade.And, yeah, the organizational malfunction and game playing with people is something I've heard from multiple people who worked for them. Esther and Jerry are all about Esther and Jerry, and they are very short of real feeling or caring for others.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity, I hear you. And this is just a piece of the horrible things being taught by "Abraham" that will require serious re-education for children and adults who swallow this garbage in the name of Jesus. Can Esther and Jerry truly expect to get away with this? Are they just so Narcisistic and mentally I'll that they actually think they are the new Word of God? (shudder)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Since when wasn't Jesus most salient characteristic his kindness and empathy toward the have nots?Oh, boy, will Esther ever blow this one without Jerry flipping her cues.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Wouldn't Abraham know the postal laws, you know, eternal knowledge of all there is, etc.?

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Serious business, Clarity. Here are the details of the law: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-a... It's all about respect; >)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: Carol...I think you mean Peter Beamish, not Scott.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hmm. I have been quite close with David Gordon in the past, and it was my understanding that he wasn't paid, but worked on their behalf because he is an incredibly loyal man. His ex girlfriend Jody (recently published a sex handbook with Scott.... Those 2 were "researching" privately together while Jody and David were still together, but that's another story) was a name dropper with a seriously heavy CLUNK and I could never get from her whether she was paid or not. She certainly wanted me to be paid, and I also know that Jody was handed most of the "scrubbing" attributed to David Gordon. It is definitely a group saturated in indirect communication and direct lies. Oh, wait, they call it "telling the story you want to be living instead of the one you are living". LIEING.Just wanted to add this, although I may have been hoodwinked about who was and wasn't paid, the Hicks couple have gotten a lot of free help over the years, in trade for letting people think that they were in that special select few who were the "IN" crowd. Very hush hush, very exclusive. That was part of what saved me, as I found the high school clique very distasteful. Always enjoy learning more here, David. Thanks again for this lens.Carol Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Okay, I just sent this to Dave and Kyra. Had not been at the Abe forum for weeks. Checked the Denver thread and stumbled onto thisKimberley,there was another child rearing question. This young mother asked advice about her 3 year old who doesn't want to share his toys and kicks the cat because of his behavior she was out of the vortexShe asked about her kid not sharing toys, and how can she stay ITV while he does. So Abe explained that the kid was being in alignment, enjoying his toy AND "much like Jesus - not freaking out about the toylessness of his friends" She also asked about him kicking the cat, and of course they said that was between him and the cat, and that the cat will teach him. ~I have a real problem with not trying to guide a child who abuses animals.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ahnalira Sep 8, 2011 @ 10:31 pmIt is illegal to take email addresses from a list that doesn't get an agreement to send promotional emails and add them to a list that does send promotional emails. Anti- spam law.Well, even more interesting Ahnalira, after registering with my private email I did get something from AHP at that addy and immediately removed that addy via link below "If you want to remove yourself from further mailings". So not only did I not agree to promotional emails at that addy but I also removed that addy from future mailings...all 2+ years ago.ps...Did I just violate your copywrite Ahna by posting entire transcript of your post *snort*

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It is illegal to take email addresses from a list that doesn't get an agreement to send promotional emails and add them to a list that does send promotional emails. Anti- spam law.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Well, two gushing comments on the little "song" one replete with pink font and emoticons.What I did find interesting was this post by David Gordon (with a bump by Honeypie)Just a quick note that quotes of 3 or so paragraphs are fine, but massive quotes and certainly entire transcriptions may not be posted here due to copyright rules. Thank you!If you want to play you have to pay~

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Even more minor blurb~First email font Times New Roman 13.5. Second email Georgia 18. Like would I see it better if it was bigger and different font? "Looks like" someone is playing with the format to generate more registrations which may be dropping off. All just speculation naturally.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're right that they are desperate, and the email may be pathetic, but it just might appeal to the more simpleminded true believers. Cult stuff.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Minor blurb~Sept 6 received the promo at the email addy I have always used for AHP. Next day received the identical promo at an addy I used two and half years ago for registration for an Abeway. I never get any communications from AHP at that email. Thought at the time they must be getting desperate but just best guessing. ps. The "little song" was so terrible I was embarrassed for the Hicks.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: Always good to have updates, Wayne. Please add anything new you see. I wanted to let you know what we have learned about the direction they are going in. You may see something else entirely original.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thanks for letting me know. I was thinking perhaps others on this site had received the email as well.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @waynewilliams57: We all got that one, Wayne. It's not Esther. It's a PR specialist who is trying to erase the memory of all the crazy "news bulletins" from the last few months.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      I still have yet to tell my story regarding my experience with Abraham-Hicks, the two workshops I attended, and the time I was in the Hot Seat. In the meantime, I received this email today from Abraham-Hicks. Not sure what to make of it but it sounds like an act of desperation coming from Esther. Well I will try to post it here:------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Friends,Nearly ever city we travel to evokes a song from Jerry as we roll in. This is our Chicago song, he taught me years ago, and we perform it for each other every time we go there.Esther: I used to work in ChicagoJerry: You did, where?Esther: In a department storeJerry: Oh, where did you work?Esther: Behind the candy counterJerry: Oh, how nice.Esther: I did, but I dont anymoreJerry: Why, what happened?Esther: A man came in for some candyJerry: YesEsther: And what will you have? I asked.Kisses! he said and kisses he got,Ill never work there anymore. We are really enjoying the power and clarity coming out of the seminars this summer and can hardly wait to see what happens this Saturday in Chicago. Its extra wonderful these days because people from all over the world can participate via their computers because we will be broadcasting LIVE. If you would like to join us, in person, Click Here. If you would like to view this weekend's Chicago workshop via Internet broadcast on your computer, Click Here.We Do Love You,Jerry and Esther P.S. Lately, the large number of last-minute Abraham LIVE registrations have been creating a bit of a technical support traffic jam for those who need a little extra assistance. So, while we are pleased that you trust our technology so much that you feel comfortable waiting until the last minute to register, we do request that you complete your registration early (Thursday or Friday if possible). Visit Us Online | 1997-2011 Abraham-Hicks Publications. If you received this e-mail as a duplicate or wish to be removed from this list -- Click Here

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Just for the record, Jass, Jerry and Esther Hicks have paid David Gordon for years to vigorously scrub the so-called Abe "Forum" and he also scrubs their fan club on Facebook. And it's not just criticism or doubt. Gordon, at Jerry Hicks request, also doesn't allow discussion of competing channelers, like Theo, Ramtha or Chief Joseph.By the way, I am banned from the Abe Forum. I have to use some special methods to get to just read the forum and see what they are up to. They've begun to huddle with only like-minded supporters allowed to participate. My willingness to allow everyone to comment here has backfired somewhat, as Carol points out. The A-H group is unwilling to allow discussion in their arena, but they tactically try to disrupt this lens by flooding it with unrelated content at the earliest entry point. I think it makes them look extra foolish, but Carol is right in pointing out that it's distracting.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Dave ~ I am still trying to find the article. I recall it was written by a reporter from Europe. It was around 2005-2007. I will keep searching.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Yeah, Carol. Sorry not to answer sooner. I'm on the road with family thing for a couple of days. When I get back, I am going to move this comment section that has been muddied up by sock puppets doing what Jerry has been having them do for years. It'll got to the bottom where they can play with disrupting people who actually have something to say, and I will put a new comment section here. In the new section, out of context comments and AHP diversionary tactics will be deleted, not questions asks. Anyone who actually has something appropriate to say, pro or con, can comment at will. The rest can suck wind. Thanks, Carol.Reserve a hammer for me.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: @MomLadyThe good news is apparently this blog is hitting a nerve with all the increased traffic by sock puppets (love that term Dave). Apparently it is having a rippling effect.We know there are always proportionately a much larger number of lurkers to posters. To coin an Abe phrase ' Wouldn't it be nice' if this is effecting revenues and changing mind sets.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jazz, I have no trouble with genuine discussions, what I find annoying is the overwhelming number of posts that sound (look) more like inarticulate drunks arguing about who is more well informed than the other. It just takes up space.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @waynewilliams57: I'm glad you got out, Wayne. I have been on several cruises, been in the hot seat a half dozen times or so, and was a very, very good student from late 2006 until mid summer 2010. It is scary how well the Abraham-Hicks organization is infiltrating everywhere. I would have thrown away my $$$ of CDs, the complete series of everything said during that time, except that my now 9 year old finds it therapeutic (as do I) to put them in a ziplock bag and break them into pieces with a hammer. And I am extremely grateful to be able to say that my marriage is strong again, and recovering. I have heard stories of marriages that did not survive because of the magical world teachings, and have seen firsthand addictions justified by the "Get in the Vortex (feel happy) no matter how" doctrine. I highly recommend the book "Bright-Sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America" by Barbara Ehrenreich. She is also well known for her book "Nickled and Dimed" that came out a few years ago.Looking forward to hearing your story. It really does help to tell it!Blessings,Carol Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I would like to hear both sides. Hasn't Dave put himself in the public eye as writer. He may not be on a large scale, but I would think he would want to set himself apart by allowing the other side their voice. I recall, in one of his lens and seeing some posts regarding the fact that the Abe fans don't allow the other voice. It is possible good info could come out. I would think that Dave would want to be above that. Dave's lens are interesting. I am less likely to believe what Dave writes, if there is only one view point. That would be to much scrubbing. I think that Dave doesn't scrub out the opposing view is good. The only other thing that might help me, is more information on sources beyond what is in the Abe books and seminars. I also like that he doesn't hide who he is which gives credibility. Otherwise, good material.

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      waynewilliams57 5 years ago

      @MomLady1: Carol: I hear you loud and clear. Although I am new here and I am not Dave, my Abraham Hicks story is coming soon. I support what you are saying and agree with you 100 % concerning the dangers of these 2 individual Jerry and Esther. I have sat in the Hot Seat at a real life Abraham Hicks workshop in November 2006. Please stay tuned for my post that is coming the the following days.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      Dave, can you do something (like serious editing) to help this lens get back on topic? Even if there are constant interruptions from obvious AH 'inspired' to bulldoze the topic of getting over the AH scam, I think that was the topic... What was our experience? is the question you first asked, but it seems like the lens has turned into a nose to nose back of the school fight about who has a right to write this lens.... Um, YOU do, David. And for those who don't like what David writes in his lenses, or notice the healing he allows for those of us who have been scammed, had our lives ripped apart by the horrid teachings of Jerry and Ester Hicks (who, I say again, encourage telling boldfaced lies, sleeping around outside the marriage and walking away from the homeless because a good thought about them helps them more than a warm meal... **shudder**...) I suggest that you go elsewhere, start your own lens, or just shrug it off. David, I love the questions you raise and it's been SO helpful for me to communicate here, but will you please please start deleting those who are fairly successfully re-routing the topic? I don't want to read or participate in a back and forth about who is whom and whether or not you have every right to open a VERY popular lens about a VERY dangerous couple of scam artists. You do, and pointing out the scams of "Abraham" is important. I guess pointing out the lies of the people who don't like it that they are being seen through is valuable, but I'd love to get back to discussing with those who, like me, are decompressing from having our lives and our wallets turned inside out because we wanted so much to believe the lies. After all, they were pretty lies in the beginning, and the perfect scam is right here! "If you aren't happy and getting all you want, then you aren't doing it right. You are failing."Please David? This lens is a good on.Blessings,Carol Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Just curious Dave. I thought I read another article on another website by you where you claim to be a Fan of Jerry Hicks and how much you liked him. Your post here does not seem to be in alignment with your previous post on the other website.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Jeramy, in case you are looking for your comment, you've been deleted and will be in the future. You seem not to know that this lens is not about you. And besides, you've never read the whole lens anyway. You came here with a purpose, and it wasn't to participate in a conversation about the content. You're finished on all of my lenses. You have nothing of value to add.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thanks for your kind words about me, Dave:) I do my best to be about giving the benefit of the doubt and let my experience be the evaluation tool.It is a bit of a quandry to me that Jeramy is both friends with an AHP employee AND Jerry's siblings. I have had the honor of meeting them, and my memory could be flawed, but I recall that they didn't live in the San Antonio area... and I'm pretty sure none of them are into motorcycles, cars, and hunting... so I'm baffled by where the connecting points are.Jeramy, perhaps you could explain...?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, Jeramy, I was suspicious before, but you gave yourself away there. One more Abraham Hicks sock puppet. Some of what you say might be true, but you're here to distract and try to garner sympathy for the scam artists. I hope you're proud.I wondered how they'd try to wriggle out of the corner the got themselves into, and now, I see that it's going to be a pity approach.For someone who claims to just have a barstool buddy who works for AHP, you suddenly seem to have an intimate awareness of Jerry's family. Pretty smart too to try earning Ahna's sympathy with your stories. Ahna is highly respected in a lot of places, and if you can turn her... Got it.In addition, I can get from your syntax and specific phrases that you've been here with a different approach and a different name at least once. Probably more, but it's too boring to go back and read all the AHP antics again. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and get the message across to Jerry and Esther that they just ought to own up to what's going on. Your telling us here that Jerry is fighting leukemia is not the same as their doing it themselves and making an honest effort to educate followers who are confused and disillusioned. Is it too much to ask them to remember who they once were before their pockets got full and just do the right thing? Most of us try to do that every day of our lives.For free.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnalira, even using chemo is just buying time with most forms of Leukemia. The best most leukemia patients can expect is an extension of life of about 5 years. To answer your question regarding a bone marrow transplant. The best donors are siblings. I believe you are aware that Jerry has siblings. I don't know how much Jerry shared with you regarding them. If he did then you would know that not because they wouldn't be willing, but for other reasons they aren't likely to be donors. That means that Jerry will need to turn to others who share their genetic makeup, the more diluted that make up the less likely a match, so they will also have to reach out to donor banks as well to find a match. Hopefully, the current treatments will do the job. You are also probably aware, that Jerry's family had rare contact with Jerry's staff. Most of their contact was directly with Jerry and Esther or through Jerry's Executive Assistant when contact with the office was made. You may have met them, but based on the information I have, there would have been few opportunities where they would have been exposed to his staff and the Abe followers. Jerry is very protective of his family. You would know if you met them. The family resemblance is very strong. Even if they don't share Jerry's spiritual views thier love for him and for Esther is very strong. I can tell you that I am thankful that I can count some of them among my friends. The love and support that I have received when I needed it over the years can't be measured. I will pass your supporting thoughts on. I know your thoughts and words will mean a lot.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Again, Jeramy, my understanding of leukemia and it's impact is deepened by your explanations. And I respect your loyalty to your friend. I imagine that - if I knew who your friend is - it would be someone I know from my time with the organization... so please pass on my supportive thoughts as they 'swim these strong currents'. Knowing what it is like within the AHP system, I have some understanding of the impact this has on the office.I have a question for you: Given your understanding of Leukemia, do you think a bone marrow transplant is a likely option for Jerry? If not, then am I accurate in extrapolating that all treatments at this point are just buying time?Thanks for the time and energy you are putting into sharing information here. I appreciate it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Rose, my point is that I dont buy into the Abe stuff or Law of Attraction. I realize you want someone to validate or invalidate the existence of Abe. I am not the one that can do that for you. You may be right about Jerrys illness being in conflict with what they preach. Since I havent met or spoke with the Abe creature, I cant tell you what old Abe might have to say. You mention the vortex, I am not familiar with it. I will ask my friend if they can explain it to me. Does being associated with this vortex, mean you cease to be human and have human interactions? People dont get into cancer over night. There are several types of leukemia; they are grouped in two ways. One is by how quickly the disease develops and gets worse. The other is by the type of blood cell that is affected. Leukemia is either acute or chronic. Leukemia can arise in either of the two main types of white blood cells. Depending on the number of abnormal cells and where these cells collect, patients with leukemia may have a number of symptoms. In acute leukemia, symptoms appear and get worse quickly. People with this disease go to their doctor because they feel sick. In chronic leukemia, symptoms may not appear for a long time; when symptoms do appear; they generally are mild at first and get worse gradually. Regardless of which type Jerry has he would have had to have gone into the doctor to be diagnosed. Since, my understanding is that Jerry and Esther made a personal choice to not see doctors, Jerry did not receive an early diagnosis. Religion and spiritual beliefs are personal and learned choices. There is a list of symptoms that can be mistaken for other illnesses. I dont know who or what talks with you, that is why I asked the question. To me Abe, Seth and Aunt Dolly are all fairytale characters. They dont exist in my world, because they are, I dont know, not human, they dont have bodies, and I cant see or touch them. I am not sure how to explain it to you. So, they sell their product. I know many religious and spiritual establishments sell products. I just dont buy the products. I choose to spend my money differently. I promote and sell stuff that is how I keep an income coming in. As I told you before I cant explain the workings of Abe. That is a fairy tale creature. My Shade Tree occasional associate and I go back 40 years. We moved from our home town following college and have stayed in touch. About 15 years ago, we both ended up in Central Texas. Texas is big, so our occasional meetings in person at the Shade Tree give us face time. We do have phone conversations at least once a week. We also frequent some of the same Free Thinker Meet Ups. It is a drive for me to attend the meetings and my job and personal responsibilities keep me on the road. I care deeply about this person. I hate to see what they are going through right now. Their family (including Jerry and Esther) is extremely important to them. To give you an idea of the size of Texas, it takes about 16 hours to drive from the Arkansas State Line to El Paso, Texas. The drive from Austin to San Antonio is about 2 hours. From Austin to Dallas is about 5 hours. Rose dear, you are assuming you know who all the family members are. Let me point out there are more than Esthers family who have been part of the public side of the business. Jerrys family has stayed in the background; they didnt participate in the business side of things. They arent sweeping things under the rug, this has changed things. They didnt see this coming and didnt have expectations that Jerry would need the level of care that he currently needs and this business is alien concept to them. For them most of them it is just, Jerry and Esthers business. They dont connect with the hocus pocus concepts. They are still trying to come to terms with what is going on. I can tell you that you would be extremely surprised at the makeup of Jerrys family and their connections. Since others are already in caregiver roles, they are concerned about Esther holding up under the pressure of caring for Jerry and staying in the public eye. They are thankful, that Jerry and Esther are cutting back on their shows and concerned about Jerry and Esthers financial welfare. Jerrys medical care is extremely expensive. Why is there a surprise that I found Dave? I had to know Dave existed to find him. As for Kyras blog, okay, it registers isps. I think I indicated that I was in the San Antonio area. Isnt the purpose of Dave writing his lens and Kyra writing her blog to have people read them? I dont get having a level of attachment to something that is non-physical, something I call a fairytale character that it would be like a death in the family. I cant stop you from loving Abe only you can do that. As for the Amway, Jerry sold Amway. Jerrys wealth started before Amway. He received an inheritance. I have no idea what NLP (neuro linguistic programming) is, but if it helps you then go for it. If you want me to show you how to skin and gut a deer, now that is something I can show you. As for the low wages in San Antonio, Texas, that is documented fact. Whether or not Jerry and Esther felt they were paying low wages or not is something only they can speak to. I still stand by, if you dont feel you are being paid what you are worth, then look for a job that will. This abundance stuff you are talking about, it is to me like telling me that the tooth fairy is real. The only abundance you can be sure of is what you do for yourself. That comes through hard work, living within your means, and saving. Most folks dont know the difference between wants and needs. Many employers make millions and could probably pay more than the going rate, but they dont. Many participate in annual surveys to see what the going rate is within their geographic area and choose to pay the low to midrange. Most pay on the low range, to allow for retention. Very few pay the high end. My questions is what exactly does trust in the complete abundance of the universe mean? I agree that everyone has the ability to treat their employees as valued employees. The thing is some just dont. Are you familiar with the Healthy Workplace Initiative or Dr. Gary Namie? You might want to check them out. Dave, you have a number of regulars that post, those can be misconstrued as individuals who have an interest in either you or what you write and choose to follow your work. I dont know Rose, but then Rose doesnt know all those related to Jerry and she doesnt know me. I guess that I am one who enjoys hunting, is going to put me on her radar, since she is into animal welfare. I appreciate the warning. I hate that she invested in the Seth books or any of that type of hocus pocus. Apparently, this hocus pocus stuff is really causing some stir in her heart and possibly her finances. I hope you havent parted with very much of your hard earned cash when it comes to these purchases either. I offered up the invite. I will leave it on the table, should you ever venture to this area for a vacation. I would recommend waiting for a cooling spell; this heat has been brutal this year. Rose, I appreciate your condolences regarding my son. I feel partly responsible for his early death. Living in a rural area, like we did at the time, we didnt have easy access to doctors. I blew off some of the early signs as a kid trying to get out of going to school. By the time a doctor would be on rotation in our area, my son would usually feel better, so we wouldnt go in. Finally, we did, and he was diagnosed. My wife and I split ways a year ago. My friend was my rock when I needed someone solid to lean on. Now I am going to be their rock. So if that means I am going to take a beating while I gather information, formulate an opinion or offer an opinion up, so be it.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thaks, Clarity. Your articulated with 'clarity' a couple ideas I resonate with fully:"I found when I came thru to the other side I could keep the part of Abe that I believe to be true, accept the fact that I was duped by some very clever marketing schemes .... .... and grew in personal empowerment as a result.""They have the authority and ability to treat you really well as valued employees."Choice, for me, is what's about in both these statements. In the first, (and I speak only for myself, of course), the clues were all there for me that all was not as it was portrayed to be, and I chose to ignore them... until I chose to pay atttention to them, and that choice is what empowered me.And, I agree, a company culture is set by the owners of the company; it's always an option for the owners to set the intention to value and empower work associates to be the best they can be, and - as I understand it - the Abraham teachings promote that prosperity shared is prosperity that increases. I like to think of it as the 'law of generosity' and it's one of the concepts I like in the teachings.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Jeramy~All of this once again circumvents the main issue that has been brought up time and time again on Abe not addressing this whole thing and it would not have to be revealing personal details that Jerry would prefer to remain hidden. What he is going thru throws a huge wrench into what Abe has been saying. Let me give you a little history since it seems that is what is lacking. Abe uses Jerry and Ester as shinning examples of living in the vortex. Their minor out of the votex moments are really quite quaint, cute even. Little spats over a shared purse, spending too much time in the memories room going thru old letters, things like that.Abe holds Jerry up a shining example of the health and vitality that is promised to all if they just stay in the vortex. Within a lineral context people just do not get cancer over night. Since you have personal experience with cancer you would know that. Particularly the kind of leukemia that Jerry has was in the making for years, many many years. That simply leaves the question is it Abe or is it Memorex. There are more than a few of us that think Abe had drive by showings interspersed with the preconceived manufactured Abe that has origins in a scheme to make money. And how would you know if or who talks to me from out there? We all have our connection to that expanded knowing. That expanded knowing may go by the name Abe, Seth, or Aunt Dolly (true story of one of my friends). Names dont matter, making the connection does. All Im saying is if the connection goes south and someone continues to get up on stage pretending like it is something other than an act, charging for the performance and at the same time interspersed with buy this now (Abe loves to pick up the card decks several times in the Abeway with the buy now suggestion) then you have fraud. If I call something as I see it thats just as it is. If someone else sees it differently that is just as it is. The only thing that matters to me is I see with my own personal brand of clarity. Of course Jerrys leukemia is a toll on the family. It would be on any family. That has never been in question. What is in question, if there is an Abe that is still holding regular workshops, selling wares, then why has Abe not addressed this more than a minor blip on the Abe teachings screen? You say you only know about this by your Shade Tree occasional association. So, you dont know much at all about the Abe selling machine do you? That kinda disqualifies you from making an informed comment doesnt it? Im sorry about your son, truly, cant even imagine what it would be like to lose a child. Maybe that is why you have taken on this crusade to explain to others what the family is going thru, but youre stepping into a dynamic of which you only have a few parts, leukemia and Mormon. If Esters Mormon background is still influencing her personal empowerment then darn, one more time the teachings didnt work. The family has not put Jerry above the businessnot at all. They have swept it under the rug so the business can continue. I find that the most disheartening of all frankly.Sorry I didnt get the joke on Marilyn. If I do a ha ha will that suffice?Still find it interesting that you managed to find Dave and his followers lol. Then again Kyras blog registers isps, and she gets all sorts of hits from the SA area so someones are reading and asking (and maybe asking others to come post here). To those that are trying to come to terms with this ask yourself the questions you might be afraid to ask. For many of us that came to this juncture it was like a death in the family. We loved Abe, we appreciated all the Hicks were doing to bring Abe to us even if we found the Amway like presentation a bit hard to swallow. Acknowledging that the idea was born out of greed and much of it might have been an act was not easy to go thru. I speak not only for myself but for friends who came to this same crossroads recently. There was one night I just cried. I found when I came thru to the other side I could keep the part of Abe that I believe to be true, accept the fact that I was duped by some very clever marketing schemes including NLP (neuro linguistic programming) and grew in personal empowerment as a result. Same for my friends. Its like Abe always used to sayuse your own powers of discernment, you dont need Ester or any of this, make your own connection. Was it laying the ground work for events to come? That is for each to decide.Oh, and any of you reading that work for the Hicks dont buy the low wages in SA bs. If the people you are working for trust in the complete abundance of the universe then they have the authority and ability (millions have been made by their own admission) to pay more than the going rate. They have the authority and ability to treat you really well as valued employees. After all Abe used to say we are lovers by our very nature. If it feels like love working for them greatif it doesntit doesnt.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnalira, My son had leukemia. I lost him a couple of years ago. I am not within the organization. I do know someone. They come to the Shade Tree on occassion. This person is trying to come to terms with Jerry's illness. We have been talking. It is taking a toll on the family. I can relate. I don't enjoy reading books. Most are to long to hold my interest. The only seminars you will catch me sitting through are the ones my employer sends me to. I would rather spend my time and money on my bike. I read your story. You presented it well. You seem to have it together.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jeramy, dude, however you spell it, I don't have followers. That's silly and Rose is a friend who contributes wisely to a lot of the things I write, both here and elsewhere. Impugning her motives is foolish. You don't know her. She's passionate and funny and, in my experience, not at all angry. Oh, and she works for herself and contributes many hours to animal welfare. She's also far more conversant in the channeling department than I am, having read the Seth books and more. She believes that The Teachings of Abraham are a rip off, Seth Lite, equivalent to selling knock off handbags and watches, as do I.And not to spoil your pleasure, but neither Rose or I live even within the same time zone as San Antonio. So, don't expect any surprises at the Shade Tree Saloon.Alas.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jeramy, thank you. My understanding of leukemia is deepened by your explanation of the condition and how treatment works. While I don't know who you are within the organization, you speak with the authority of someone who has information. I hope he finds a donor and has a successful procedure.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Clarity, I appreciate your anger and frustration. I can appreciate you may have some anger issues. Taking it out on other individuals isn't the way to obtain the answers you seek. You are also making assumptions about me and my relationship, as well as my views on Abraham. You didn't ask the question, you attacked. I am giving my view based on what I have read and what I have personally experienced. I didn't feel the need to attack Mr. Stone or any or anyone else posting on this lens. I don't see a reason to attack Mr. Stone or his followers. Apparently you know the workings of Abe, so maybe you can explain why this entity or spirit or whatever you call this thing isn't speaking to you? I sure as hell can't tell you why this spirit thing is shunning or rejecting you. I was addressing things purely from what I believed to be the business side and possibly what may be occurring within Jerry's family. I also didn't say Esther wasn't capable of making the decisions. I pointed out what I believe the family structure to be and that Esther would wait on her husband or his successor when Jerry taps that person, to make the decisions. That is totally different. In religious sects, similar to what Esther was raised in the women are submissive to the men in their life. That is a learned behavior. Because she is the voice of Abraham and a public face doesn't make her less submissive to her spouse. I realize that Esther is no longer a member of the Mormon Church, but she is still influenced by her upbringing and "her" family members who are still practicing Mormons. I realize based on the attack you made on me, you may not want to accept that as a possibility. You also probably don't' want to acknowledge that there is an emerging group of family (the recent photo) that may be influencing Jerry. That is your right. You might want to learn more about these family members that are now being moved into the public eye and the influence they may have on Jerry Hicks. Dear, I didn't say they knew Marilyn from the Munster family. That was an attempt of humor on my part. I used them, because the other family members always made reference to her difference and strangeness, yet she was the normal one. I was trying to point out that the unknown family members may actually be normal people. This was TV show from the 60's have you seen it? It is a cute show. Do I believe in the mumbo jumbo and alternative practices that the cast used in that show? No. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the show. Same thing with the Abraham stuff. As for the low wages and treating their employees as peons, I cant speak to whether that is true or not. What I can tell you is that San Antonio Area, is known for being one of the lowest paying areas in the State of Texas. Although, the San Antonio area still pays better than Louisiana, New Mexico and Mississippi. Gov. Perry touts that to new businesses coming into the state, which is why the growth in the area. From my perspective, if you dont feel you are paid what you are worth, then find another job. If you feel you arent being treated respectfully, then find another job. The employees are in Texas, not New York or California, there is still significant job growth and employment opportunity in Texas. So my questions to you, my dear are: 1) if you believe so strongly in Abe then why do you feel he isn't speaking to you? 2) What do you think is going on within the family and business? 3) Why does it anger you to think Jerry's family and wife might be putting him above the business and this creature called "Abe?" 4) Why do you automatically assume everyone who doesn't share you level of anger is against you? So you have your take on things and I have mind. Is your take on things more valuable than others? When you answer try to be respectful in tone, not just to me, but to Mr. Stone and the others reading and posting to this lens. Work you anger out on someone else. Rose, you might want to look at new employment, because the writing is on the wall. There will most likely be a downsizing of staff, when who knows. They can't keep cutting revenue and not have to cut overhead and staff. Sweetie, I am writing this at 3:12 pm and it is now 106 degrees in downtown SA. I am heading to Uvalde, in a couple of hours. There is a port in San Antonio. It is called Port San Antonio. My friends and I go to the Shade Tree Saloon every Thursday evening. I am the dark, good looking guy with the Flame Blue Pearl 2010 Heritage Softtail Classic. Maybe a tad on the heavy side. I will let you be the judge on that. I do work out 2 - 3 times per week. You are welcome to come argue this more in person. Dave you are always welcome to join us. You never know who you might meet at the Shade Tree. Jeramy is prounced just like it is spelled. I will show you my Texas Drivers License when you show up.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Great riff, Rose. I wondered if anyone else would notice that Jeramy (probably misspelled because it's not Mark's real name) is one of the parade of sock puppets, doing a little PR work in his pajamas. You made me laugh. Thanks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Jermay,Interesting take on things. Sounds very reasoned, compassionate, and orderly in presentation of 5 cents. The point you are missing is what is missing is Abes explanation on how this man that they supposedly said was basically a living example of the teachings is now undergoing so much treatment, so many challenges etc. Take Ester out of the equation too. Ppl want to know why Abe has not addressed the contradiction of all the Jerry antidotes, being so in the vortex most all of the time vs now Jerry has a life threatening condition. The Hicks have shown that they are not above bold face lying. When one researches the business model that Jerry the patriarch designed, staff are paid low wages, required to keep a daily diary of work preformed and treated pretty much like peons. Doesnt say much for being in alignment with the teachings now does it. You can come up with all the rationalizations in the world, and I do give you credit for posting in a more reasoned fashion than the other Hicks pawns that have been sent to disrupt here, but the bottom line is all the while selling Abe, Abe has used the Hicks over and over and over as examples of how well the teachings work. Why, the stories of Jerry present him more in the vortex than Ester so if anyone would be susceptible to disease one would expect it to be Ester.That and this spider bite ruseits all very fake and designed to keep ppl buying products and not questioning the message. I checked out the Amazon comments as per Daves suggestion and quite frankly they are laughable. I particularly liked the ones that said buy the book and cds, go to workshops etc. I also noticed how those planted reviews had the same tone in verbiage.Look, Jerry riding on the coattails of his wife moved into an already established highly successful Amway business. He married Ester, once she got divorced and he reneged on his current engagement, and they went looking for something to sell where they didnt have to share with Amway. They came up with this whole Abe thing, affectionately called Seth lite. It is entirely possible that some other dimensional presence did show up probably surprising the Hicks most of all. Listening to some of the earlier workshops is a whole different ballgame than the prepackaged get in the vortex stuff you hear now. Lets not forget that Abe had not a clue what the string theory is. Check out you tube for that little gem. Somehow I thought infinite intelligence would at least have an idea of what the string theory is. Thats just me though and maybe I have one up on infinite intelligence.It doesnt take rocket science to see what is going on. Poor Ester tending to Jerry, cant make a decision till Jerry either rallies or chooses another patriarchgive me a break. And of what relevance is it that a former star from some vintage tv series is seen in pictures? Does that give the Hicks some kind of validity? Apparently in your world it does but not mine.The truth is the Hicks have treated a lot of people badly, friends, associates, staff, and yes, their adoring public. But then hey, they know Marylyn from The Munsters so there ya go-rolling eyes. Try a different tactic next time-smile.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I hope that Jerry is journaling. That is now something being encouraged by the doctors. There is a lot of scientific evidence showing the benefits to a cancer patient who keeps a journal or diary. It helps clarify goals, with anger, and can help with ingratiating life experiences. There is information in medical journals on this, so I am not going to go into great detail. If you are interested you can look this up on your own. It is a slow process. In addition the treatment for leukemia is rough. Jerry is undergoing chemotherapy, he is having blood platt transfusions. He is having bone marrow biopsies. If there is a donor he may have a transplant when appropriate. Jerry is in an extremely weakened state. Probably not cognizant enough to really be giving much thought to business for long periods of time, if he is at all. While undergoing chemo, Jerry is being given other drugs to protect his liver and fight infection. Jerry probably has a persistent feeling of fatigue or feeling of weakness. Some of the other drugs may "fog" his mind. The purpose is to keep him comfortable, fight infection and encourage rest. I realize the expectation is that he should respond to immediately and so should his family and staff. Reality is they are all consumed by the day to day treatment and focus on healing Jerry. Everything I have read indicates that Jerry is the patriarch of his family and business. So if that is the case they (Esther and Staff) are going to wait until Jerry is able to give direction or until he taps his successor. I suspect there will be someone at some point that will step into his shoes. It would be easy to say well Esther should do that. Going to back to what I know about Jerry and Esther, she will wait on Jerry to make the decision or the individual who he taps to take over. I doubt it will happen in the near future. Things will continue to run as is for awhile. As they cut seminars and cruises they layoff some staff, but I suspect eventually, either Jerry or the successor will take the helm. I suspect Esther is to focused on Jerry to worry much about the business. There is very little about Jerry's family other than what you read about Esther and her daughter Tracy, to see the photo of some of the other family with him is refreshing and encouraging. That means he has others that are close to him and that can step in should there be a need. I am not speaking about just the business; I am also speaking about others who may be an influence in his life that could have contributed to his seeking medical care. Was you or Kyra that wrote something about Jerry's family being so strange that they or Esther didn't like Jerry to speak of them? Yet, there is a photo of them or at least some of them being posted on their blogs and blogs of others. Marilyn one of the characters from the TV Show The Munsters came to mind. Everything has a time and season. The disclosure that some are hoping for, isn't going to happen for some time. Silence isn't always a bad thing. It could be that this silence may be good, it allows Jerry and others time for self reflection, self discovery and possibility spiritual development.My five cents worth....

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Thanks. Of course, it should be obvious by now that the nastier comments are coming from people assigned by Abraham Hicks Publications. They aren't even smart enough to read the whole lens before they comment on it. When and if Jerry gets back on his feet, they'll be better with the tactics. He's an expert at it, been engineering this sort of thing for years.If you'd like to see a nifty display of his efforts, go to the A-H book on Amazon and read the rave reviews. A few are genuine but many are obvious sock puppets Jerry and Esther ordered to do reviews.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      Both Jerry and Esther have purposely put themselves not only into the public eye, but have presented themselves as a source of Universal Wisdom, so I think they are in a different situation from most people who are ill and do not want to discuss it with the world. It is the incongruity, this one as well as others, that upsets people, and leads them to investigate further, coming up with more and more that points at these teachings as false and dangerous. They cannot possibly expect to be public only when they want to be. This society just does not work that way. I hope Jerry heals, both physically and morally. I have not seen anything here that is heartless or attacking, other than the posts from people attacking the writer of this lens and those who contribute.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: As I indicated earlier, I may have taken the wrong approach when I indicated I had read about Jerry's illness. I probably should not have brought Jerry up at the beginning of the conversation. I will have a couple of other opportunities in a few weeks to see what I can find out from this person or one of the other family members. As for the company line, I don't know. This person isn't likely to parrot anything that doesn't jive with their own personal views. I don't see them allowing anyone to dictate what they are to say or think.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I imagine there are many, many thousands of 'nosey, inconsiderate people who particpate in the Abraham teachings and wonder what's happening. They are the same nosey, inconsiderate people who buy products and pay to attend workshops and who don't have access to Jerry and Esther personally, but do about care them and would welcome 'facts' rather than misrepresentation or unguided speculation.I appreciate hearing from "I Asked Questions" as it clarifies for me what the perspective is amongs the inner circle around Jerry and Esther (who do know the facts). It's an understandable positition, if not logical or congruent to the way Jerry and Esther has used their life to promote the teachings (As David points out). I question the validity of the statement that - if contacted directly - Jerry and Esther would fill people in on what's happening. As a person who has contacted them, this hasn't been my experience.As to the comment about disgruntled employees... All the more reason for accurate information to be shared from reputable sources. If the Abraham-Hicks organization has disgruntled employees that speak out because they are unhappy, then that's another story to pursue, I think, rather than a reason to justify a defensive posture; >)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Whoever this individual is, they are parrotting the company line. So, they probably are in contact.Of course, it's irresponsible for Esther and Jerry, both public figures who have brought their personal lives into the show whenever it suited for promotion, to try to con followers into believing a fairytale like the spider bite fiasco, then insist on personal privacy when it blows up. After all, wasn't an email from Jerry, jigging all over the place about a spider bite before admitting to a most un-Abrahamish "heavy chemotherapy?" Their game-playing to protect the con makes them seem more like scam artists, every day. They have, by the way, said they are in California and actually provided photoshopped pictures of a family outing that included Jerry. In one odd photo with all the kids and grandkids all around, Jerry is stuffed in the corner of a gondola, scrunched down like some weird homunculus. Some PR person, probably Barbara, has taken over the email blasts, being more careful not to continue suspicious comments about Jerry and, for all intents, expunging his illness altogether. I guess that's easier than coming clean with followers and risking a slow up in the cash flow.The comment, "...on nosey inconsiderate people who expect instant gratification, rushed results and don't have all their facts," is hilarious. Esther and Jerry are just frustrated that we didn't believe their fairytale facts and dug up some of our own.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: If you call Jerry and Esther's office their staff don't have much to say.If you call their "friends or family" they respond, but may not be what you expect. One family member told me when I asked, "Yes, Jerry has leukemia and doing well at this stage of treatment. It really isn't the world's business and if people really want to know or care they will make their inquiries directly to Jerry or Esther, not their staff, friends or family. Or read the writings of disgruntled employees or misguided or lazy folks, not willing to get of their arses and apply themselves or work to accomplish their personal goals. "This person also stated "I would give the same response if a member of my immediate family had a severe or terminal health concern or any health issues. I don't dicuss my family with my co-workers, direct reports, employers or strangers on the street. If these people claim to be or you think you are close to them and feel you need to know more pick up the darn phone and call Jerry and Esther directly. If you or these folks have or had any type of real relationship with them you know how to reach them." I also asked about Jerry and Esther's teachings on health and the response was" Jerry and Esther's spirtual and health beliefs are their own and what they choose to share with others is up to them. Like the rest of us they are allowed to explore their options." The family member added "personally, I think people should just butt out and tend to their own business. Jerry and Esther don't need to share their private life or heath concerns any more than anyone else does." Then the Jerry's family member turned it around on me started asking me about my family, how my parents and grandparents passed, why they didn't do something different and what I would do if I had the same health concerns my ancestors had. Then I was asked, if I could predict my views or actions 20 or 30 or 40 years from now. The family member I spoke with is one I thought would be likely to provide info. They weren't secretive about their relationship with Jerry and Esther, but never really spoke in detail about them either when I think about it. They would share some occassional photos of the family which included Jerry and Esther in them. I am not very close to this person, so that may have been a factor. I am involved in a couple of organziations they belong to and I worked with them a few years back. My approach might have been wrong, because I mentioned I had read about Jerry's illness. I tried to find out where Jerry was being treated and the way they were treating him. I indicated that I thought that I heard he was in California, but no information was provided. I asked if he was likely to return to Texas. I wasn't given an answer. I asked if Jerry was likely to continue running the business. Again, no answer. I even asked about Esther and the response was "what would you expect when someone you love is going through a rough time?"Instead, I got an ear full, "on nosey inconsiderate people who expect instant gratification, rushed results and don't have all their facts." I might try again in a month or so.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: The problem there, of course, is that they can't figure how to open up without blowing the lid off what they've been preaching. They backed themselves into a corner, and now, following the last two A-H news blasts, they are ignoring his cancer altogether, hoping for forgetfulness apparently. They included a couple of photographs too, which make Jerry look pretty well and the whole Hicks clan hanging out cheerfully together on a balloon ride.Jerry doesn't look great in the photos, but he does look like he may be holding his own.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I think speculation is the direct result of a lack of information; >)I went and saw a movie called Country Strong a few months back, and the lead gave the best advice to an up and comer I ever heard (paraphrasing here): Tell your fans everything. Anything you try to keep under wraps will eventually come out... and will always look bad if you try to keep it hidden.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: They backed themselves into a corner they don't know how to get out of, Ahna. As I've written before, for all reasonable intents, Jerry Hicks is Abraham, and until he is able to pop back into the equation again, there is no one else in the operation imaginative or cunning enough to pull it off.I think Esther is in full meltdown and trading water to see if and when Jerry recovers. Next few months should be interesting.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      Yes, I've been a follower of the Abraham-Hicks teachings for 14 years, and before that I studied Ernest Holmes and several other teachings that promote personal empowerment through focusing of intention. While I am still a proponent of the concepts, I am less involved than I used to be in the Abraham-Hicks system.As far as Jerry's health... All I know is that I'd love to know how he is doing, and I miss the way Abraham used to teach by using Jerry and Esther's experiences as 'grist for the mill'. It brought the teachings 'home' for me in a way the less personal (and more abstract) teachers do. As a person who deals with several health considerations, I keep waiting for Abraham to use the process- much like Wayne Dyer uses his health journey to teach and inspire - and the absolute silence regarding Jerry makes the teaching less real for me, I am saddened to say.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: That's the right way to communicate privately. I'll add that, were Jerry not a remarkable person, no one would be writing about him or debating his work. Thanks for your levelheadedness.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Carrie: There is no need to be insulting. David is writing his opinion. Jerry and those that are really close to him appreciate that fact. Jerry is still a mystery to many. Most only know his public side. If you respect for Jerry, then you will understand that he would ask that you respect Dave's opinion. There have been a number of assumptions as what others perceive that Jerry would do when reading an unflattering opinion of himself. What you might find interesting is that Jerry rarely bothers himself with this type of thing. If Jerry did he wouldn't have time to run a business or spend time with his family. We can have differences of opinion and present them without infringing on those of others. Another well written/article Dave. As I said earlier, I need to be comfortable before I open up more. I do plan on reading all your material, not just the material written about Jerry and Esther, before making a decision. I see that I can email you by clicking on by Dave when the time comes.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Well I certainly know how I found this blog *smile*Google Abraham Hicks fraud.Things had been feeling off but when the Hicks came up with this spider bite thing immediately red flags started flappin in the wind.The teachings were a bridge for me, enabled me to get a handle on emotions and vibration easily. It's exciting that I can now tackle subjects I couldn't wrap my head around before. I'm so appreciative for ppl like Dave, Kyra and Cosmic Connie that made it easy to connect the dots and move forward. I consider these blogs a public service for those of us asking questions. Barbara, David Gordon, Marc, the Hicks, Leslie, don't spend so much time fretting over what goes on here. Your jobs are secure. There is never a shortage of ppl that want to follow someone. Take Abe's advice, be easy about this, make peace with where you are at, don't try and control circumstance. Stress is not good for the body you know.Thanks Dave and commentators not only for being here but writing with a flair for the frisky. Makes it all the more fun and hey, life is supposed to be fun right?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Ha, ha! You are the last person I'd be concerned about. You probably picked it off when I posted it on Facebook.By the way, it's not just incoherent, but always the same lens, the most popular one and, really, one that's far less critical than some of the others. The thing is that Jerry is out of the loop so, I think, is Esther largely. The two people they've left in charge are nowhere near as clever as Jerry or as tenacious as Esther. And it's not just here. Their once really solid website is showing some dents, i.e., broken links and so forth.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: The fact that those who criticize this blog never do so with coherence really is interesting. Oh, and honestly, I cannot remember how I first found this conversation. Just thought I'd tell you that. ;-)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: It's so interesting that all of you people Marc and/or Barbara send over (or maybe you are Marc and/or Barbara) have such similar approaches. You always comment at the first opportunity, making the consistent mistake of revealing that you haven't read the main content of the lens, but were doing the job you were sent to do anyway. Sloppy really.One thing that makes me laugh is that you always need to explain how you happened to find this web page. Nobody else in all of the work I do ever feels they need to create an excuse. Why would they? But you frequently do.The other consistent thing is that you try to make it personal by attacking me, and you never, ever address the real issues raised or answer the question asked at the top of the comment page. Many, many similar extra comments. You need a new strategy. This one is obvious and lame.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This is Tablod junk. " A souce close to the family" LOL Whatever is wrong with Jerry Hicks, and he is in his upper 80's, from what I've heard elsewhere, he is doing fine. Stuff for this is just made into whatever someone wants to make it into, for whatever reason. If law of attraction, karma, cause and effect really do exist, I wouldn't want to get back what whoever is writing this nastiness (for whatever reason) is giving out. I came across this from a search, by accident, and sorry I did. No matter WHO it's about. People don't have to buy Abraham books, tapes and cds, and don't have to go to workshops and cruises. If they didn't get something good from it, they wouldn't do it.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Caro, if you are truly in sync with the A-H teachings, this thread would not be threatening to you beliefs. It seems that you are threatened. Care to dig deeper and look at why?Blessings,Carol Simsak

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Steve, would you be willing to share with me as well? Dave also has my contact information. I am recovering, as is my family, but more accurate information could only help this progress.Blessings,Carol Simsak

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes, I'm sure, as I am one of those who shared much more detail with you privately. Thank you, truly, for your publications here. You are, I believe, helping many to understand that getting the A-H monkey off our backs is not only courageous, but important and need not be a lonely journey. Hey, maybe you should register a 12 step group! (grin)Blessings,Carol Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: @ Tom DarkAny idea on why Jane and Rob didnt do the exercises?Nature of Personal Reality, was that the only Seth you read?Youre the first person who has showed up who knew them so the opportunity to ask a few questions is pretty golden. Im in the process of connecting all sorts of dots. I notice like you that with all the simple instructions from many sources ppl just dont do them. Even with Abe, early Abe, some specific instructions (plagiarized who cares) that if followed are transformative. I often wondered why Abers didnt just do it.Cked my books last night, seems the only Seth that has survived here is The Nature of the Psyche so I started reading that. Im ordering NPR today. Its been a long time since I gave Seth a go round, many explorations in the mean time. Im dyslexic so reading the volumes of Seth was always a challenge. Since doing some dyslexic exercises now what I read goes in easily so Seth was on tuit list. Your post bumped it to the top of the list.If youd rather discuss this privately Dave knows how to reach me. I really would appreciate answers to a few Seth questions.Thanks again,Clarity

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: @TomDarkTom, thank you very much for your comments. They came at exactly the precise moment to specific questions I asked. Um, ask and it is given.thank you for these valuable insights,Clarity

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Well, hey there, fatso. Sorry, just cute. Am browsing around idly today, I forget how I wound up reading all this. Cult stuff is interesting. I wasn't aware the Abraham Hicks caper had got this far. I left off years ago, having found this "entity's" semi-literate regurgitations as embarrassing as for the rest of Jane Roberts' childish imitators. She didn't do the goddam suggested exercises, by the way, and neither did her hubby. I knew them both.Jane found the whole craze disturbing and wrote "If I'd known this was going to happen, I'd have never have started." For you who know anything about it, she also meant that imbecile Ricky Stack, who's been trying to create his own fake "Seth empire" for too too long now. When I first visited their house there was a very serious letter of complaint about him lying open on their coffee table. Jane'n'Rob weren't into creating a Psychic Sideshow Amway thing. They hated such stuff. Trying to stuff one's heart and mind into something as shortsighted as "positive thinking" and "the law of attraction" can be damaging. One can hook into a nasty obsession trying to be something s/he isn't. At the least one could wind up like that mom character in "Strictly Ballroom." Your "positive" and "negative" thoughts will wind up trying to eat each other. Say... isn't that what leukemia is, kind of? White and red blood cells in a fight?I spent $3.95 I think, on THE NATURE OF PERSONAL REALITY, back when. For that investment I haven't had a doctor bill since '77, not even a headache since 1981. Been sick enough to stay in bed twice, not counting 2 hangovers. That's it, no "workshops," seminars, personality worship (good Lord, the one or two videos of Jane'n'Rob, they look like the type you'd find at the discount shoe bin at Wal Mart), nuthin'. Just try one exercise or the other. I've always been amazed at how few will. I mean, we're talking 5 minutes of one's time. And if I get leukemia, we'll see how that turns out.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Aw, you're not giving them enough credit. They come up with a new approach, a new angle every day. That ain't easy.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Everyone has a smidgen of the truth. I enjoy this ongoing discussion, because it is still a part of my A-H recovery.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Actually, I became disillusioned by the ever increasingly dangerous message before I was upset with what I learned about the messengers. Telling people that the most important thing is to be happy, and to avoid all unpleasant thoughts, is a far cry from the message of listen to your inner guidance and make decisions based on what feels best, avoiding the angst of the mind/heart battle, or acting in a way that is contrary to conscience. But I like the points you make about growing up and looking to our own decisions as the most reliable to ourselves. Although I admit that I hold some anger towards Jerry and Esther, and actually worry that the harm their faux teachings brought my family will be a trap for others, I do agree with your thoughtful input. Thank you.Oh, and my family is continuing to recover, and no longer follow Esther's teachings, which has made a tremendous difference for us.Blessings,Carol W. Simsak

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Um, crafty is not a word I would use Dave.Deffinition-skillful, clever, adept in the use of subtlety and cunning.I don't see any of those qualities in our mystery visitors unless you want to count the reference to Ollivander from the Potter series but I wasn't impressed (wink).

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Funny, Clarity. Holly also made the same mistake as the others, writing a comment inappropriate for the question before ever reading the main content. You've gotta give 'em credit for the diversity of approaches, though. Crafty bunch.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: @ HollyHey Holly, seems to me you have completely misinterpreted our discussion, desires, motives et all. For someone who doesnt follow these matters and only just today happened to google Jerry Hicks cancer and yet references events transpiring over the last few months um, dots don't connect for me. What an odd thing to google for someone who doesn't notice these things.Thanks so much for your patronizing lecture. I'm not buying.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Always happy to see smart commentary, and this qualifies, although I disagree with much of it, including it's clever call to indifference. Never going to get me on the Abraham-Hicks live and let live mantra and their (and apparently your) conviction that to do anything, including writing laws against rape, pillage and murder is interference in that wonderful diversity that civilization, thank God, ended. Oh, you might want to take a look inside your skull. There are no wires. We are not "hard-wired" for anything. That's a term used by scientists to belittle what they can't get their arms around. Your "amazing diversity of life" is just a smokescreen letting others off the hook for damages done. It was a nice try, though. Well written and convincing until you made the big error of admitting that you searched for "Jerry Hicks Cancer." Why in your great indifference would you do that, having as you claim no interest in the subject at all?Your gift for words and literary illusion could be better used.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have read with great interest the articles and comments herein and it puts me in mind of the near-universal human tendency to confuse the messenger with the message, and how seductive the cult of personality can be. However, when most humans stop worshiping a messenger they become urgently interested in nailing them up and watching them twist in the wind, presumably as recompense for some individually perceived personal disappointment.Perhaps the deepest message in the A-H presentation is that sooner or later we must rely purely upon our own discernment for what best serves us in the ever-changing design of our own lives. In short, to grow up and move beyond, carrying with us only that which will enhance our experience.The way matters have unfolded in the past few months makes me feel free once more of any temptation to exalt any messenger, whether they are the Dalai Lama, Jesus of Nazareth or Homer Simpson. Though I do not own a television, newspapers and magazines do not hold my interest, and I rarely contribute to online forums, I do read extensively and the number one thing I have learned about people is that they seem to be hardwired for two things: to first establish a hierarchy and then to rebel against it. This realisation can either deflate or elate. I choose elation in that this process could be an essential part of the eternal letting-go of parental substitutes and finally growing up. Again and again. As many times as it takes. Finally growing up.I am not affiliated in any way commercially with the A-H enterprise; never attended a seminar, never bought a tape or CD and purchased only one book. Throughout, my connection with my own discernment has never wavered, and I expect it never will. I can understand the desire behind this collection of articles, but seeking to eradicate all snake oil salesmen, con artists and grifters - well, it just never works. Its like cutting off the head of the hydra; two more heads simply grow in its place. J&E could have a fetish for one-eyed Episcopalian kangaroos. They could stick bottle rockets up their noses and call it sinus medication. They could cut off their earlobes and send them to Parisian prostitutes in the name of art and there would be a rabble of kangaroo-molesting, bottle rocket-snorting, one-eared followers in lockstep because hey, that is a part of the amazing diversity of life.And I like that very much. I really do, and unless I go looking for it - like today with the search term Jerry Hicks Cancer - I really dont notice this stuff much at all.And thats the message I think Ill carry with me.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks again Steve, much appreciated. Right, keep a level head which should not be difficult bc I'm not upset by any of this. More I'm on a search to see how much I didn't see re cognitive bias/delusion. I simply didnt give Ester credit for any savvy. Jerry had marketing written all over him but I didnt care. That Ester came off as so um, dim, made the Abe thing all the more believable. She just seemed like a nice lady who liked to shop and wore bad false eyelashes. That eyelash comment just referencing I tried false eyelashes when I was a teenager and it's possible to get them looking pretty darn natural. Actually the eyelashes help to reinforce shes not that bright and someone not that bright couldn't make all this up ya know? With Jerry out of the picture, Ester doing solo Abeways she actually seems more feisty, upbeat. I scan the events now looking for clues. I don't know if Amway teaches NLP but I would swear I see Ester using NLP re buying their motivational cards. Been watching Derren Brown and how he inserts words in convo for a desired response and I'm going holy cow, I think that is what I'm seeing with Ester. Few days ago I tried tracking down info on if Amway does indeed teach NLP but came up empty handed; surely they would though to be this successful running the scam.There are more than a few of us that wonder if this was all plotted out from the get go or if Ester did try her hand at channeling, something peeked through the crack of least resistance and surprised them both and then made like Elvis and left the building. I do know whatever the past what I see now is not Abe.In this all I begin to see how I see things, what filters I use, which just adds to my clarity. Ill send a list of my questions Id love to know more on and ask Dave to hold on to them till you touch base. I am a question whore, try really hard not to be a pest (and often miss that goal), and just love seeing the bigger picture. The teachings (recycled circa 1900) helped me change some things, no regrets, no animosity. I just want the rest of the story to see it all clearly.Have a nice vacation~

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Momlady1, I'm sure there is more to come. Many people are talking, even though I haven't exposed much of it here. Very interesting what will come out in the wash.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Clarity, I will be in touch with Dave. Sometimes our personal bias can cloud the investigation. Be sure to keep a level head. When I refered to Trish not being an innocent, it wasn't just about Amway. Trish liked them young and was very controlling. Kids are the victims and devasted in any divorce. Just ask mine. I always say start at the very beginning of the story and find out who all the characters are. The truth is Jerry has an interesting, somewhat colorful and painfilled past. As for Esther's, ex-husband, he was Morman. The best place to look for a Morman is among them and through their registries. But don't be surprised if they limit your access should they discover you aren't Morman. They are a tight group. I will be in touch.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: It is interesting. What makes it all kind of suspicious is that Jerry and Esther don't really want to talk about their history.It also kind of explains why Esther, as Abraham, doesn't seem to have much respect for the commitment of marriage. "Abraham" wedding vows? They suggest saying, "I like you pretty well. Let's see how this goes." Perhaps that's more a validation of Jerry's past than truly advice from Source.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks. some advice I could use myself. First things first. Look forward to hearing from you again.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Jerry's life was interesting. I will be in touch. I need to finish and project and keep my better half happy with a vacation first. Give me approximately 2 - 3 weeks.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: kernac1, your thoughts and feelings about this are pretty close to many of ours. No questions, Esther and Jerry's efforts have helped many, many people open up to a brighter reality than they knew previously. It's just very difficult to reconcile the happy go lucky pair who once inspired us with what we see now. My larger concern about this, right now, is how their inability to tell the truth is affecting followers who may be ill or believed they were immune, based on the teachings. It's probably confusing and, for people who have been told that they give themselves diseases like cancer, hurtful as well.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I love a good story, and it is fascinating about how Esther and Jerry and Amway all figure into this one. However, after having been a meditator for 30 years, an Amway distributor for one year (didn't ring true for me), a liver-of-life for 65 years, an Abraham-Hicks participant/observer for 8 years, I try to live by one main guideline: "Take the best and leave the rest." I have absorbed so many useful and rewarding ideas and reassurances from the Abraham-Hicks material. The money I have spent has been well worth it to me. I have felt better than ever before and have let go of so much stuff. My "truth" rings clearer than ever for me and for me alone. One of the most difficult aspects of life is believing that I have the answer for others just because I can see/feel how it fits for myself. Please continue with your examinations--they are fascinating and so interesting. But I do not feel betrayed in any way--whatever is going on leads me to believe that truly, All is Well.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, I second Dave's thanks to you Steve. We're not really here to sling dirt but to uncover the Hicks history that is all but erased. There will always be those that want to blindly follow anything but for others like me, that wanted to connect the dots, blogs like this helped me see through the ruse. I actually hold no hard feelings for the Hicks, the Abe teachings enabled me to make some adjustments in my life that have proved of great benefit. I had seen contradictions, felt certain things off but it wasn't till the spider bite thing I decided time to look at the bigger picture. Having ppl like Dave, Kyra, Cosmic Connie, well, I just have a lot of appreciation for them and the whistle blowers that contribute. For some of us the need to know helps put everything into perspective. The other night I spent hours going into the least traveled google pages looking for Amway information. It's like Jerry and Trish just vanished from the map except for the wiki Amway general listing. It looks like Amway doesn't take kindly to leaving the company or taking your own show on the road so to speak. There was a lot about Amway wanting to control the tools as they are called, the motivational tapes etc. Jerry gets with Ester and it's like the Amway thing fizzled out pretty quick but I can't tell for sure. Thru one of Daves contacts we know Tracy, Esters daughter, was pretty devastated by the divorce. Sure, she was just a young kid. Early pictures of the Hicks together Ester just looks like a nave, sweet young thing and Jerry looks like hes been selling used cars. As Ester tells their history she was a bookkeeper and went to a seminar of Jerrys. She said she just wanted to make more money so she could afford a new pair of eyelashes each weekher words. She leaves out she was Trishs bookkeeper. Unless of course Jerry spotted her and got her a job with Trish, who knows, not me. All that I could find was Jerry and Trish recruited Ester and Richard for Amway and they started working for the Hicks. I dont hold cotton to Amway practices btw so I do understand, least I think I do, your statement Trish was not an innocent. No way she could have been to make it to elite levels of Amway.So what are the facts of the history of Jerry, Trish, Ester, is all best guessing. The rosy feel good picture Jerry and Ester tell is the stuff fairy tales are made of. Its time to put an end to fairy tales that's all. Can't find one thing on what happened to Ester's ex Richard.Thank you so much for as Abe would say, ha, telling a different story.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting stuff, Steve, and a great contribution here. You can contact me privately (davestone13@gmail.com), but in any case, I'd like to know more about how you got this information. Sounds like you were there. Esther and Jerry have tried to erase their pasts, although there isn't anything that crazy, but it would be helpful to have a clearer picture.Thanks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Trish wasn't an innocent. Jerry was single when he met Trish. They were married early 70's, don't know the exact year. Divorced in 78 or 79. The divorce was right after he and Trish made Crown level. Jerry had money before he and Trish were married. Not millions, but he wasn't hurting.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Wow Steve, thanks. I kept digging around in Amway archives, felt there was a smoking gun but couldn't find it. I just knew there had to be something messy when Jer dumped his wife for Ester. Looks like he did pretty well in the divorce settlement. Do you kno9w how long they were married? Jerry had so many marriages I just wonder how long it took him to rope Trish in and get his hands on the cash or status to lead to the cash. Then again was he married when he met Trish and she in essence pulled the same thing Ester did? Man, Jerry is some piece of work isn't he? So is sweet innocent Ester.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Jerry and Esther's Amway connection. The wife before Esther was Trish Hughes. Trish was the daughter of one of the top elite Amway salesmen. Most of the Amway status and millions came as a result of Jerry's marriage to Trish. Trish is a number of years older than Jerry. Esther was Trish's bookkeeper. Trish was already one of the elite Amwayer's when Jerry married her. Jerry did participate in the already established Amway "family" business.

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      MomLady1 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Karmagrace, you confuse me a little. I don't think anyone is "slandering" the Hicks group. Simply pointing out that there may be some serious discrepancies between what they claim to believe, who they claim to be, and how they act when they are, through life's struggles, walking or not walking their talk. The Galileo reference is kind of odd, and doesn't really mean anything, and I have to say that having you pop in to pray for God's mercy for those who do not find Abraham teachings to be benign is kind of odd too. Esther, speaking as Abraham, claims that we are all God's of our own lives, and here is no negative judgement about anything. That is what appeals to so many, I am pretty sure. Anyway, from where I sit your pointy finger looks pretty angry. What is really going on for you here?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @KellyMartinSpeaks: From what I'm observing and hearing from disillusioned former insiders, I suspect that Caro and some the other invisibles are being sent by Abraham-Hicks, the company. Jerry used to order people to go after Wikipedia or AbeTalk, and he'd hound them to fight in their behalf. This probably still goes on.By the way, I got a direct email from someone (faked email address) who told me I was so ugly, I should change my icon. He (or she) said it was another reason to not believe me. Anyway, these are Abraham Hicks style attacks. Only one or two actually have anything to say, counterpoint. They are sent to divert. Esther and Jerry were never really the people they sold publicly, and they certainly don't follow the teachings, at least not since fame and money hit them.They can be as petty and vindictive as anyone, and they are very tactical. With Jerry incapacitated, the genius out of circulation, they may just not be as clever with only David Gordon and a few others to figure out what to do.

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      Kelly Martin 5 years ago from GLOUCESTER

      @anonymous: Caro, WOW! astonishing! such insults. I imagine if any of us came to your home and started insulting you, you may be quite upset. As really, no-one who disagrees with this post needs to respond in such a rude way. Unless of course your out of the vortex and feel the need to push against the stream LOL! go for it lol! It always amuses me when Abers push against a difference of opinion and do exactly what Abraham recommends not doing. Unless of course you want more people attracted to this post? by the law of attraction every hater of this post makes more people who will become ex aberholics lol! interesting huh?! just go with the flow lol!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Wouldn't it be nice, Caro, if you actually had something to say? Chucking out what you think is a clever insult is only a diversion. It doesn't better inform anyone with new information or a different way of seeing the information in front of us.Please stop by again when you have something grownup to say.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      "When the wise man points at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger" (Confucius)In this analogy, Jerry Hicks (and his illness) is the finger, the teachings of Abraham are the moon, and whoever put this article together is clearly the idiot!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: It's being so contrived leads me to suspect it isn't "a person," as such, but an initiative. It's a slightly different angle, but this is not an unknown tactic by you know who.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Thank you, Dave. Yes, and now that I know that KarmaGrace's comment is mostly plagiarized, this person seems even less intelligent and sincere than I previously imagined.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Hi, Kyra. Good analogy. Whoever KarmaGrace may be, he or she copied and pasted this identical comment on a half-dozen lenses without, as in this case, having read the content. May be an emissary, but not a smart one, or an A-H effort to show the common folk in sympathy for their plight.

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey, KarmaGrace, love the name. I would like to point out, however, that your comment seems to be a summary of the Galileo Gambit. You seem to be saying, "Galileo was persecuted, and he was right, so if Abraham is persecuted, then they are also right." This is no different than saying, "There was a man who got hit by a car on the way to the supermarket, so since I am on the way to the supermarket, I will get hit by a car." Just as there will be plenty of people who go to the supermarket without getting hit by a car, there will be plenty of people who are persecuted for their ideas who are not right.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: First, let me compliment you on committing the opening paragraph of the Wikipedia article on Galileo to memory. It's totally irrelevant to this subject.Esther and Jerry Hicks are not pioneering scientists nor have they ever generated a new idea. They are certainly not under any of the risks Galileo lived with."May God have mercy on all who wish these people ill-will, and mock and slander them." You've got to be kidding.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Will there ever come a time in human existence when we will be able to conquer our own fears, cynicism. Will we ever stop hunting witches? Will we ever learn from the past? There was a time when man firmly believed that the Sun revolves around the Earth. Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life. His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.Galileo is today considered to be the Father of Modern Science. During any paradigm shift there is always the severe ridicule, then comes the vehement protest against the shift and finally the acceptance....until the next big shift in human consciousness and awareness.May God have mercy on all who wish these people ill-will, and mock and slander them. I cannot speak for their personal characters, but all I know is that they literally saved my life with a single video clip. May those who point fingers not live to regret their judgments upon others.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, not so weird. Leukemia isn't rate. But what is different and instructive is the how each of these men handle it. Just as he did after being shocked by a heart attack (after spending years bragging about never getting sick, just like Jerry Hicks), Wayne Dyer used his as a learning and teaching experience. He talked about it publicly and often, explaining what he thought it meant about his life in a intimate way.Jerry Hicks, on the other hand, has taken pains to mislead and confuse followers. Their serenity is based on an illusion of immunity, just as long as they think correctly. So, he's tried to let them imagine he is the victim of a spider bite, that is, an accident, not an illness.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, not so weird. Leukemia isn't rate. But what is different and instructive is the how each of these men handle it. Just as he did after being shocked by a heart attack (after spending years bragging about never getting sick, just like Jerry Hicks), Wayne Dyer used his as a learning and teaching experience. He talked about it publicly and often, explaining what he thought it meant about his life in a intimate way.Jerry Hicks, on the other hand, has taken pains to mislead and confuse followers. Their serenity is based on an illusion of immunity, just as long as they think correctly. So, he's tried to let them imagine he is the victim of a spider bite, that is, an accident, not an illness.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Wayne Dyer has leukemia, too. Weird.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Wayne Dyer has leukemia, too. Weird.

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      MomLady1 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Alice and David, you are both spot on... The anger is there, and the "everything is fine" in unarguable because if you don't believe it, it's your own fault. I have heard them advise someone not to help a suicidal friend, just get joyful themselves. There must be a word stronger than Narcisism.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes, I remember that! Apparently the rain only fell on Esther. Not even her neighbors, because (of course) they were aligned with draught. Naturally there were no witnesses (see same alignment deficiencies). I guess Esther hasn't done any weather miracles lately, though. It's pretty dry here in Central Texas.Thanks for the reminder.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @FormerAbeBabe: In true narcissistic fashion, FAB, if memory serves, Esther was able to produce rain only at the Hicks compound at that time, while the rest of Texas stayed dry. Apparently, the rest of Texas just wasn't letting it in.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @FormerAbeBabe: In true narcissistic fashion, FAB, if memory serves, Esther was able to produce rain only at the Hicks compound at that time, while the rest of Texas stayed dry. Apparently, the rest of Texas just wasn't letting it in.

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      FormerAbeBabe 6 years ago

      @MomLady1: She has claimed to create rain in Texas during a drought years back. Where is our rain now?

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Alice, I think the real message a bit more subtle than that. Esther has programed herself to respond in this way, whether it makes sense or not, because feature of their developing a following (often thought of as a cult, these days) is that happiness is always there for the asking. If you are not happy, it's because you are "not letting it in" because you are focusing on the wrong thing. It's a sort empty-headed feel good mantra that appeals to a certain sort of narcissist. In the earlier days, Esther used to preach feeling "good," not happy. It's a big difference. Feeling good can imply many things, but mainly being in flow or in touch with life in the moment, whatever feeling good means to the individual moment. That teaching builds independence and insight. Happy, in Esther's terms, is what what unthinking cults are built on. Needless to say, I believe that's where they are trying to go, trying to get into a place where ticket buyers line up without asking questions or having second thoughts. Their followings thought-free buy in of the deceptive cover story of Jerry's apparent cancer is a very current example. They don't seem to mind being lied to and manipulated to sell tickets.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      There are some things that definitely are not OK, like telling a woman who is worried about her son's carer to just get in touch with the happiness inside her in her own vortex rather than worry about her son's carer? Also I think she doth protest too much about Jesus and God and caring about what is going on in the world. There is an imbalance there and if one listens to her carefully, a certain mocking tone, a harshness and sometimes a great deal of anger behind her words. There is some truth in don't fight against things, resist yet not evil, but it can't be write to just dismiss the whole world as fine as it is, when it evidently isn't. Although on the amount of money she is receiving, her world might be fine, thank you.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Maybe not so funny, but out of all the hundreds or maybe thousands of Abe cultists chasing the lottery, has any of them ever won? ( I know that's "upstream" ).

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Maybe not so funny, but out of all the hundreds or maybe thousands of Abe cultists chasing the lottery, has any of them ever won? ( I know that's "upstream" ).

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @OhMe: Thank you. It seems to evolving daily.

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      Nancy Tate Hellams 6 years ago from Pendleton, SC

      Congratulations for getting in the top 1000 with this great lens.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Nick, keep in mind that putting icecream and bacon down your stream at the very same time may bring you into Abraham's bosom even before Jerry gets there...Excellent input on 'How Could A Healer Ever Die' (by Abraham) on youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpEN91Rclvs

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Chas...your words are so perfect and beautiful i forwarded your post to some friends of mine.Thank you~

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: Frankly, I'm waiting for Nick to add even more humor. Fun to laugh, so downstream.

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      MomLady1 6 years ago

      @anonymous: You Go, Nick! Thanks for the chuckle.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: On her way... we are all on our way, even you Dave. As with every belife system & religion, you need always question everything as we are all beings that evolve, learn & implement what we need @ any given time advance ourselves as individuals & as species overall. Perhaps your missing a very important principle here as are most people that are so eager to tear down something & pick it apart once it acheives a certain level of popularity.) Anything that helps you become a better you, more empowerd & on purpose. Helping others empowering themselves has it's value. Consider that what is happening to Jerry Hicks may be consistant w/ the inescapable human conditon. All who are born are promised a death. Got any proof to the contrary ? Maybe in his human condtion he hasn't been as absolute is his own belief & has a stronger longing for the non physical state of being. All religions & belief sytems have their comanalities & truths that are universal. Take the best & move on w/ them adding to your spiritual tool box that helps you live a more satisfying & effective life. Anyone who has every acheived anything in this life will testify that they did so implementing a strong belief system as the wind in their wings. Try looking @ it for the positive value that it has. Just caution others to always use a certain amount of common sense & intuition. But for those who beive blindly in anything & allowing themselves to be lead around by the nose & relieving yourself of your cognative senses. Wake up just a bit.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Right, Nick, just feel good, that's what matters. You are vibrating at a very high level, right up there with your source. Bliss! Happy! Happy! Happy!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABE-HICKS I A SCAM? I'm doing just great! I stopped working, eat bacon and ice cream all day ( it's more "downstream"), have sex with whoever is around ( downstream), and just put everything on my credit cards ( more downstream than money)!

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      MomLady1 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes, I have personally heard it said. Let's just hope Esther doesn't claim to have raised anyone from the dead. As Abraham or as Esther!!!

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @MomLady1: To the contrary of what New Agers often claim, Jesus never renounced what would now be considered a conservative Judaism while he was alive. Quite the opposite. His revolts, especially against coin changers in the temple, were about his fellow Jews not being Jewish enough. The claims made are ridiculous and unhistorical. You are probably aware of Esther Hicks claim that Jesus is a one of the entities making up Abraham, a stunt pulled essentially to keep Christians in her following.

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        David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

        You're right, Wayne, about Esther's birthplace. Most of her family, including one parent is Mormon as is her first husband, Richard, from whom she was divorced after beginning an affair with Jerry.

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        Wayne Peebles 2 years ago

        One of the interesting things I observed about the book. Ask and It Is

        Given, is that they mentioned Joseph Smith in the early part of the

        book. It seems that Esther Hicks was born in the town of Coalville, Utah!

        A small town outside of Salt Lake City, Utah; about an hour's drive. I remembered that name because it was on the way to Rockport Reservoir;

        a place I would go trout fishing. I would take their teachings with a grain

        of salt. Beware of false prophets in sheep's clothing; inside they are ravaging wolves. Pray always least you fall in temptation. A fool and his money are soon parted.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @spiritrhythms: You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but I'd love to sit down with you and hear you flesh out this mishmash of whacky ideas and leaps of faith. That first sentence alone ought to qualify for some kind of recognition for disjointed thought and unsupported claims.

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        spiritrhythms 3 years ago

        There are 7 billion realities on the planet, and mankind will find a way to prove what he wants to prove. Abraham is positive, supports happiness and well being, and if one is connected to their internal spirit, their teachings resonate.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @ronalds4percent: Yes, it will. It's a great example of changing the subject and not dealing with something for whatever reason. Cody's comment remains silly, whether you like my response or not. Nice try.

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        ronalds4percent 3 years ago

        A thought, not directly on this subject, but on the subject of the use of language:"DaveStone13 says: Cody, first try a spell checker. It might make you seem less silly,"It's my guess that language like this would stand little chance of getting published by... DaveStone13...Furthermore, this site is on of the rare relics that still has no 'build in' spell check feature for the comment forms. English is not everybodies first language (it sure isn't mine), so, making denigrating remarks on that only shows ones own ignorance and frustration...Just my two cents (won't get published anyway :-)

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @mossarden: You make a good point. The messages are not new. What is new with Abraham-Hicks is the commercialism in using other people's ideas while claiming they are original and the insularity, the refusal to speak openly and honestly. The Abraham-Hicks hustle obscures the better, more focuses and reliable work that preceded them, much of which has trouble fining its way out of the noise.

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        mossarden 3 years ago

        The concepts of AbrahamHicks are not new there are probably hundreds of books written about what they term the law of attraction. The first one ever read, back in the 70s, was a humble paperback entitled Consciously Creating Circumstances by the Dr. Winslow Plumber, who was a Mason. I find there is validity in this message.I also read the magical works of Carlos Castanedaand found much wisdom in those books. I much later read, that while his followers searched for him in the desert, Castaneda was at the UCLA library stealing material for his next book. So he may have stretched to truth about his books being non-fiction. And of course he died of cancer, amide chaos, like a mere mortal as well. But much what he wrote still resonates with me. I also read Zen Mind, Beginners Mind by the great Shunryu Suzukiwho also died of cancer. (Is this what happens when you meditate?) My point here is: theres no perfect guru.Doesnt mean we cant find meaning, useful lessons, truth in the words of others who are not so perfect. Perhaps there was a great deal of sincerity by the Hicks in their beliefs and in wanting to provide useful life lessonsnot just to make money. But they over-reached, got clumsy; as people do. Doesnt negate every single thing they ever said.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @ecogranny: The failures I've seen are always from less than the best intentions. They're from overreach. There are things we cannot control and a randomness that puts us in places we may or may not ever want to go. When they start pitching certainty, they lose me. You can be better and you can make conditions better, but you can't control forces bigger, stronger and more mysterious than any other. Real grace means a commitment to being our best while admitting our human frailties.Thank you, as always, Grace.

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        Kathryn Grace 3 years ago from San Francisco

        There was a well-known psychic healer in my community many years ago who was beloved by many. I believe his name was Johnny Lister. He fairly glowed with vitality and life, some of which seemed almost to be auric light. Then he came down with leukemia. He tried to use all he had taught others to heal himself, but he died in a relatively short time.I never knew him. Never heard him speak, but his lectures and workshops were highly publicized, so it was impossible not to have noticed him. He seemed a beacon of peace, and his messages of peace- and community-building were what I sorely missed. I sometimes wonder if at least some of these healers and teachers, perhaps not the Hicks, from what you tell us, but others like Mr. Lister, haven't seen a brilliant facet of the truth, but somehow have never found the entire gemstone that would dissolve all the doubt, failure and suffering.As I recall the newspaper interviews at the time, he accepted his illness and dying with the same love and grace he appeared to have lived his entire life.Some might say that in that way, he continued to teach us all.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @JackSchermerhorn: Jack, that sounds about right. Thanks.

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        JackSchermerhorn 3 years ago

        @David Stone1: A-H Fans surely are scared to face the truth and that's why they "want to believe" and ignore the facts. But they should understand that Jerry and Esther being two spiritual marketing scammers doesn't mean that what they call "Abraham Teachings" aren't probably valid (although the way they claim it was presented to them could be proven fake, and very likely it is: to be more clear, I don't believe that an entity called Abraham really exists or at least that they can channel it. And if they do, they hear but they don't listen to them). The good part of what they "teach" has being teached before by many, more credible and authentic people, and a lot of spiritual experiences of normal people seem to match the very best of what Abraham is supposed to be.Most of Abraham teachings are not a bad or false message, but maybe a good and authentic message obtained from somewhere else and used by people with unethical and clearly not good intentions... And thats what is ruining people's lives.

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        David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @JackSchermerhorn: I couldn't agree with you more, Jack. The Abraham-Hicks operation should not reflect badly on concepts that many people find useful and even wise. The real danger, I think, is that people will be so mislead by them that they miss out on real teachers who could be helpful.Thanks for stopping by Squidoo. Lots of good work going on here.

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        JackSchermerhorn 3 years ago

        I don't get how A-H defenders can ignore the obvious and lie to themselves in such a way. I mean, the message has been long lost along the way... I do believe that Law Of Attraction could be possible or real, I myself had some (a lot) of little but very specific experiences, although I never took it more seriously than saying: "Great, possitive thinking works!".At first I thought the message was great, and really authentic, but now it seems that they didn't believe it to be true in the first place.However I personally believe that channeling is real, I've read about "Near Death Experiences", and I think that the authentic nature of reality may not be that different of what the Hickses "created" (you know: We are all one, we are Source/God), but a real Non-physical entity would present this reality to us in a more loving and caring way.Thank you David for such a complete article, I had never been on Squidoo before and I find it quite interesting!

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thanks for the suggestions, Jack. At this time, I'm more inclined to learn to hear my own inner wisdom and to follow hardcore research, but I think some of the people you mention may very well help others. Any of them, I am sure, are likely to be more helpful than Esther Hicks.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I would recommend Mooji's videos on You Tube.He is a non-duality guru in the tradition of Sri Ramanah Maharshi. I particularly like that he doesnt promote anything,or seek money and has a great sense of humor.I have watched Tolle,Adyashanti and other non-duality teachers and enjoyed them but found Mooji resonates best for me.Maybe this stuff is dangerous when it promotes desire and the promulgation of ego,something these guys avoid

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Holli, you seem to have a problem with facts."How does anyone know he did not try Abraham's suggestions on healing?" That's easy. They told everyone what they did, and it didn't include anything but a straight as a bunny run to conventional chemotherapy. It's on the record. You may not approve of chemo and I'm not crazy about it either, but Jerry went for it with haste. Maybe he should have talked to you first, so you could tell him what critics have been saying for years, without any plausible alternative."Esther Hicks has every right to ask for sympathy and should get it because she, after all lost her life partner whom she loved and admired greatly." Well, she sure thought it was stupid when others did so, insisting deaths were all suicides, just days after the World Trade Center disaster. (You can look it up. She defended her position forcefully and condescendingly In Buffalo in September, 2001.) Before Jerry got sick, she said how "good it is to see the old ones go." She called it "croaking" and bragged about "being so disrespectful." But you think she deserves the sympathy she mocked others for wanting? Who's the hypocrite?"I see nothing dangerous or crazy about her/Abraham's teachings. I never recall Abraham ever advising against medical treatment." All you're saying here is that you chose not to see it. She's been careful because practicing without a license carries a lot of liability, but read the transcripts carefully. If not outright condemning conventional medicine, she many times insisted there were simpler ways, like just changing your "vibration," which would cure anything within a couple of days. Given that, who would go to a doctor? Hey, just change your vibration, whatever that is. It's easy.Sorry, I don't get giddy about anything. And to be completely honest with you, I don't care what your opinion of me is. All that's just a way of shooting the messenger when you don't like the message.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I believe we all have a time to die and clearly it was Jerry Hick's time to pass on and it does not matter what we do it 'will' happen. How does anyone know he did not try Abraham's suggestions on healing? I'm sure Jerry and Esther kept quiet about his disease hoping he could overcome it. Maybe they actually thought he had a spider bite in the beginning? The Abraham teachings are nothing but loving and helpful to anyone who wishes to apply them but of course there are no guarantees...it all depends on where we are on our spiritual journey. I would imagine that Esther is still beside herself with grief. There are many who've lost loved ones who claim to communicate with them and who am I to doubt them?RE: Dave Stone...Esther's crazy and dangerous teachings? I see nothing dangerous or crazy about her/Abraham's teachings. I never recall Abraham ever advising against medical treatment. What I find crazy and dangerous is traditional oncology...heck, most medical doctors in fact who will lie to patients about their cure rates or even if they can be cured and basically kill their patients with their 'cure' anyway. Remember there are no guarantees in this life. One gets the feeling you are just giddy about trashing Abraham, Jerry and Esther. How do you know they did not believe in the Abraham's teachings? Esther has admitted she does not always do what they recommend until something terrible happens....just like many of us. Guess what, Dave Jerry Hicks 'was' just a normal human being and I never heard him say otherwise. You say..."Followers try all the time to rationalize an explanation, but it never holds any water. If Esther could, she would, but tellingly, she decided only to make appeals for sympathy and never explain what went wrong.I find skeptics try all the time to turn people away from things 'they' do not agree with and see things that are not there, which of course will not pass the smell test in the final analysis. Esther Hicks has every right to ask for sympathy and should get it because she, after all lost her life partner whom she loved and admired greatly. She being human does not need to give me an explanation as to what happened it's pretty obvious. I find you, Dave to be very callous, offensive and unsympathetic.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thank you, Teja.We have no doubt that Jerry was a normal human being, and his dying like anyone else is not a problem. What IS a question, though, is why they never tried any of Abraham's (assuming there really is an Abraham) simple cures, instead of instantly doing what you and I would do - go to a regular doctor and forget about Esther's crazy and dangerous teachings. Esther has never even tried to answer that question for obvious reasons. Neither of them really believed in a lot of the nonsense they sold to gullible followers.Jerry slept with Abraham every night and had one-hundred per cent access while he was sick. He died like a normal human being anyway with no special cure even tried.Followers try all the time to rationalize an explanation, but it never holds any water. If Esther could, she would, but tellingly, she decided only to make appeals for sympathy and never explain what went wrong.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I'm thinking differently about Jerry's illness and death. It seems to me that we forgot that Jerry (and Esther) are NOT Abraham : as a 'normal' human being, they can have failure, can experience fear, doubt, etc .. and also to be OUT of Vortex, and experience their limitation, and not be able to apply Abraham's hints. They aren't enlightened persons isn't ?... So, it's normal for me, that at some times, they could not do what Abrahama teach - (just remind that they don't Teach anything ! it's Abraham's teaching, not theirs) - Even the Buddha was died with illness, because he was a human & physical being - But, He also described the Deva's life and death, very likely to the description of Abraham, in other terms, He said that a Deva die happily and soothly, just like to wake up somewhere else, a Deva never has aging issue, never sick, perfect in balance, I guess just as what Abraham experience theirselves, and try to teach us the "how to", through Esther - but, one more time, don't forget, it's the Abraham's perspective (or deva's perspective) : they just point out a "very high standard " compare to a simple human capacity, then it's normal that some human can do it properly, and some, not. Then, there is no surprise about Jerry's choice of cure about his cancer. In a positive way, Leukemia is a form of cancer that lead to the less suffering, comparing to other cancer. So, he was lucky at some point. I definitivly don't think Abraham is a fake,and his teaching is ok - It can't prevent Jerry & Esther to have "failure", as every human being. I also think that all the lost of her husband has disturbing Esther's balance and she were Out of Vortex and act like any normal person would do, when struggling out of Vortex.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: It's in the next comment section directly below.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        @David Stone1: Oh Dave thanks for pointing it out. I still don't see my first comment, LOL ( new to this ), it was published according to you. So my comment was decent and valid, thanks.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Isse, your first comment, starting with "Wow people are really out there to get them!" was in fact published but you looked in the wrong place.Generally, unless you violate the terms of service (some Abers swear a lot, which is not acceptable here) in some way, I approve everything. The other two exceptions are when comments are so far off topic, they aren't worth giving the space, and when writers try to get ping pong arguments going. Those are boring. Say your piece the best way you can, and if you haven't anything new to add, you probably won't be approved.Are we clear now?

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        This is my second comment, too bad the first comment was not published. Wow good move Dave, I mean in selling yourself here, I think it worked.

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Too deep for me, Royl. Nice to see geniuses are still in there standing tall for Esther Hicks.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        Dave, you might be better off trying to grow some hair on your head, much love to you, from us

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @darciefrench lm: If you're laughing (at anything), you're not an Aber. Thanks.

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        darciefrench lm 4 years ago

        No thoughts, just .. ROFL and blessings - humor is good for the soul

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @Stacey6269: Thank you, Stacey. Your experience with your friend is sad but not unusual. The A-H crowd wants to evade life's troubles, not by solving them, but pretending they don't exist unless you want them to. And, yes, it is usually well-meaning, if misguided.

        Best wishes for you and your family. I hope you and your husband are soon back in good health and enjoying life's riches.

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        Stacey6269 4 years ago

        Thank you so much for this informative article and commentary about the Abraham-Hicks phenomena. I have had an incredibly hard time in my family for the past 3 years..I was diagnosed w stage 1 breast cancer and consider myself very lucky as I have a clean bill of health at this point. About a year later my husband of 22 years was diagnosed w brain cancer..a much more serious prognosis but thankfully he is doing well at this time. I was sent The Law of Attraction by someone I considered to be one of my best friends for over 30 years. She began to espouse these teachings to me in the very few conversations we have had over the past year (I definitely felt a sense of her backing away from me and my family at a time I needed her most). About a week ago I received this book in the mail from her..well meaning Im sure but it all makes sense now..

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        David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Esther and Jerry when he was alive stopped giving interviews, unless they were staged as they were with Oprah, especially to skeptics. They did one a few years ago with a British newspaper and embarrassed themselves. They haven't done one since, to my knowledge. Among other things, in that interview, Jerry talked about having five wives, joking that that was as many as he could remember, and made several career claims that proved unverifiable by the reporter. In this interview also, Esther and Jerry tried to explain why they thought Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves (bad vibes) and why children, even infants, are responsible for being abused (they adopt the vibes of their parents.) You can see why they stopped doing interviews.Finally, I do have friends who were once very close to Esther and Jerry and have stories to tell, sometimes on condition of anonymity. One claims that the Hicks' tried to destroy his career and ran him nearly into bankruptcy. He is afraid to get on their bad side or to be further associated with them.

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        anonymous 4 years ago

        I am puzzled as to why in one of your blogs you admit to having never met the Hicks' and through several of your blogs you state that you use sources that are disenchanted with the Abraham-Hicks' teachings, but never once have done an actual interview with the Hicks' or their family. I feel sure you are trying to be objective, but your blogs aren't coming across that way. A number of your blogs come across as if you have inside knowledge of the family, but you aren't able to substantiate that. The other thing I notice is your backhanded way of putting down people who aren't necessarily disagreeing with you or may be providing information that they wish to share. I just have to wonder why you don't just pick up the phone or email the family ask for an interview. It might actually be very enlightening. Yes, I have purchased one of their books. I have also purchased the book "Care and Feeding of the Dragons" by A. Koan and I purchased your book "A Million Different Things: Meditations of The World's Happiest Man." Another recent purchase "Rich is a Religion: breaking the timeless code to wealth" by M. Stevens. They all should be interesting. I expect in varying ways. What caught my attention regarding your book is that it appears to be about your discovery to the path of happiness. It will be interesting to compare what you wrote to how you appear to actually be handling that discovery of an easy path to joy. Have joyful day Mr. Stone.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: ola, I'd be curious to know where you get your information. Who says "lots of people" would have no problem spending their money if it's a scam? You, I guess. "They don't complain?" Are you kidding? We see complaints all the time, but you won't see them because none are allowed on the Abe Forum. If there weren't complaints, there would be no point in paying David Gordon to keep it under control. I don't "worry about what they are spending on." I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't pay doctors to keep me healthy. That's my responsibility."Everything has its pluses and minuses" is a feeble whitewash. Sounds good only as long as you don't think about it, which I'm sure you don't.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Maybe Abraham is a scam but its helping lots of people who have no problem spending their money, they dont complain - so why do you worry about what they are spending on.We pay doctors to keep us healthy - dont we?Everything has its minuses and pluses and its up to you how you perceive it.Good luck.

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        Tolovaj Publishing House 5 years ago from Ljubljana

        It is good to provide all these information. Keep it up!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @TTMall: You are welcome.

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        TTMall 5 years ago

        Thank you for such an informative lens.

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        @MariahS: Thanks Mariah, Have a most wonderful week!

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: A pleasure Dave, I've left so many spiritual gurus, success teachers, organized/disorganized religions, seminars, and book collections that when I look back upon them all, I ask why did I leave? In all cases, in one hundred percent it was always the same. I did not feel or sense or see unconditional love.I raised 12 children. They taught me never try to change their behaviour. Never let their behaviour change my loving consciousness. Just be patient, in time unconditional love will do it!LoveGoCools

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        @GoCools: Great quote and post, GoCools! I agree, it is fun to finally see through the cons!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: GoCools, thanks for a refreshingly different angle, and interesting that Seneca saw it too, way back when.The trouble is, of course, that the wealthy and powerful do find antics like these useful because it keeps followers subdued, without their having to lift a finger.

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        GoCools 5 years ago

        Dave, In all my years studying 'self-improvement' I've realized that it is fundamentally a business. As soon as a teacher charges to learn something 'freely received' ...RUN!" FREELY YE HAVE RECEIVED, FREELY GIVE". (Matthw 10:8). The Success Cult is full of folks who have only made money from selling information on how to make money. Blind leading the blind. When someone gets in the Esther hotseat and has been 'following' Abraham for 10 years and is still struggling, you gotta wonder.Now these folk I am sure are really nice people, just living in the illusion. Sometimes being awoken is unpleasant. I wanna keep sleeping, let me be! But ignorance don't hold in these days. Expose all the false teachers, no matter how sugary the words.If there is a Secret to health, wealth and happiness and some non-physical beings have itand they tell it to someone, then give it free so we can all go get some.The fun part is finally 'seeing' through all these cons, and then recognising the next one when it appears. Perhaps Seneca knew a thing or two!"Religion is seen by the poor as trueBy the inteligent as falseBut by the wealthy as usefull"Seneca.Certainly Jerry and Esther saw the usefullness of Abraham to make money using their Amway Book and Tape tricks.Thanks for your light on the subject.GoCools

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Why care so much about other people indeed? I can hardly believe I just read that sentence from an (assumedly) adult. (I'm not making fun of you, Daisy, I just feel that caring for others is part of our natural maturation process as humans.) If the teachings 100% across the board gave people hope, then it is not likely that anyone would question them or Esther Hicks. That is not the case, however. People go bankrupt, ignore significant health issues, lose important relationships, even commit suicide when following these teachings. Some people even LOSE hope!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Deep Daisy, did you really write, "why do you care so much about other people?" You may not get it, but the reason is simple. Caring about other people is one of the things people with good mental health do. We're in the world together. Look around, it's a pretty nice world, especially for those of us able to build mutually beneficial relations with others. "If the teachings give people hope does it matter if it is Esther or Abraham?" Yes, it does. A con is a con, and someone with good intentions has not reason to fake anything. Why would they? The only reason you fake it, with nonphysical teachers or anything else, is because you want to win with deceit and or ignorance to your own advantage. Esther's followers are a sorry, narcissistic lot who the rest of us would love to have working with us for a better world, instead of forever staring in the mirror and hoping. Try it."Would you rather everyone follow you?" Sure, but I'm not going anywhere, and maybe we could all sit down with a beer or some wine, good music get get to know what we're really about, instead of this shallow shred Esther has convinced you followers you are. Leading edge of thought? Are you kidding me? Leading edge of self-absorbed delusion. As far as bashing the A-H juggernaut, I realize Jerry and Esther have always hated open dialogue. They've never been able to tolerate even discussion. They ban it on their forum. I personally publish a lot online and in hard copy. Some positive, some negative, but always objectively honest. The trouble for you people in the Abraham-Hicks cult (or any other cult) is that to survive you must resist and/or obstruct any criticism. Jerry was absolutely manic about it. With him gone, oddly, it's gotten worse. Esther being... well, not so bright, she has got her team trying to tighten the screws any way she can and far more recklessly and dishonestly than Jerry ever did. More important, we still have free speech here in America. Maybe you guys should relax and, once in a while, build a sensible argument and not just try to get by with attacking the messenger. If Esther is real and true, you should have no problem whatsoever explaining, factually, why the skeptics have gotten it wrong.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Dave....why do you care so much about other people? If the teachings give people hope does it matter if it is Esther or Abraham? Would you rather everyone follow you? If not....why bother writing this? What a great way for you to draw attention to your own blog....bashing someone else. Lame.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Dear b.abraham, whatever made you think this lens was about me? The Hicks teachings...oops, I thought those were supposed to be the "teachings of Abraham." Freudian slip. Try though you might, your subconscious doesn't want to let you lie.And who gives a hoot about being forgotten in history? I've never tried to inspire statues. I think my grandkids will keep some pictures though.As for your earlier comment in the section, which didn't make the cut because it wasn't responsive to the question asked (Here it is: "the hicks make other people happy and feel good,you are obviously not in the vortex,unhappily married (or divorced),frustrated and underpaid.."), I hate to disappoint someone as sweet as you, but the vortex is nonsense invented by Esther and Jerry; I've been happily married for over thirty years; I am frustrated by the failures of government in the country and the divisions bad politics have created; and I've been so well-paid, especially in the last decade that I quit my six figure job well ahead of retirement age to commit full time to writing and online marketing. I so hope you're not disappointed.Now, do all of us a favor and learn to use the shift key on your keyboard and sling a few capital letters in there. We'd appreciate it.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        whatever you do or say,you'll be forgotten history even before you croak,the hicks's teachings will be passed on for generations!

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Yes, Liana, it is judgmental. That's what people with working minds do. We make judgments, about our homes, our jobs, our friends, our politics. Why would that be a problem?Jerry and Esther failures? Not at all. I agree, they succeeded at what they wanted to, regardless of how it may have affected others. What the article is about is their tactics in getting what they wanted.As for hateful, those of us who write about Abraham-Hicks are fully aware that, in the reality distortion field generated by Esther and Jerry, anyone who disagrees with or questions their beliefs, honesty and tactics is a hater.So, let's assume I am "really hateful" as you suggest. Does that have anything to do with the facts? One thing I've seen, again and again, the Esther Hicks followers never seem able to articulate a counter argument. The sweetest thing in the world would be a well-made, documented story that shows that she has been right all along and not consistently contradictory, manipulative and even silly. I'd love to read that and be convinced. But, of course, no such argument is possible. Your anger, in fact, is based on your being afraid that what I (and others) have written here exposes the truth about Esther and Jerry Hicks.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Wow, what a judgemental article. Jerry and Esther have experienced exactly what they wanted to too and yet you judge them as failures. If this makes you happy then keep at it. But you sound really hateful to me. Like your heart is full of hate.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Sunlily: While your comment is superficially harmless, the fact is that Jerry and Esther flipped it on its ear and used it to corral a cult-like following by keeping them churning useless practices for cash. Easy enough to say, "Who cares? It's their choice and their money?"But what about the dozens of needy and vulnerable people who were roped in by used car salesman style tactics and kept addicted by being told they just were doing it right? They were failures, always "upstream" or "out of vortex" as they sunk further into dispair. There is one Abraham-Hicks suicide we know of, covered up deliberately on their forum, and probably more as we dig deeper.

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        Sunlily 5 years ago

        I don't mind these guys and am saddened to hear of Jerrys death. I don't mind them because I have been fully aware of how these things operate and think they did/do a pretty good job. Hope and joy in life can ever being a bad thing can it??

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I was going to respond in detail to this incoherent ramble, but I couldn't figure out what this sloppy thought process was trying to say, other than, of course, the usual Abraham-Hicks argument that we ought to just leave Esther alone to do whatever she wants to do. Why don't we just do away with governments altogether and stop pestering con artists and even common crooks? Your vacant empathy and compassion vault, which finally bled out at the end, is the perfect platform for Esther to spread her views. But hey, when it's someone else getting hurt, why ask questions? It's their own fault!

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It just never ceases to amaze me of the number of people who do not want to take responsibility for their life. "Free Will", we are constantly choosing. The only thing you can trust is that which is inside of yourself. There is nothing new under the sun, and if you think you created anything you are mistakened. Uncovered, perhaps, but discovered, never. It's like Franklin taking credit for discovering electricity...Really... It was here long before he uncovered it. No one has all the answers. Anytime you are putting all of your trust into anything you are subject to fail or be disappointed. Learn to start working through your own garbage to uncover your own guidant system and rely on that. We all make mistakes, I didn't see one gun being put to anyone's head and telling you to listen, read, or attend an Abraham-Hicks related anything. Copyright???Scam???Nothing belongs to any of us. It is on loan from the Creator himself. If what you are doing is helping people, and there are millions that have been helped, that's good. If it didn't work for you, than choose to do something else. You are responsible for your life, no one else is. As hard of a pill as that may be to swallow, I am sure there is not one person, including Mother Teresa, the Dali Lama that you won't find 1 out of 6 billion people that disagrees or does not like something about them. 6 Billion! So, rather than wasting your time sharing your negative energy under the guise of wanting to expose someone, just stop. The truth is everything does start with a thought. Whether you or the collective conscious of those around you that affect your life, it still comes back to you. Poverty, sickness, disease, the collective consciousness of negativity continues to out weigh the good, and you are adding to it. Let everybody have their own experience, even Jerry and Esther. Death is certain. Whether you are in the flow or against the current, whether you go peacefully, or the transition is tragic, the cross over is delicious. No more pain, no more suffering. So, for those who have grown and transformed and truly live down stream way more often than they live upstream we are grateful for the teachings or the conscious awareness. For those who feel like it has done more harm than good, perhaps your guidant system was warning you that you were giving up too much control (obsessing) over another human and not truly giving the Creator the credit because we all are vessels, channels. Some larger than others, but if you are not tapping into your own power, which we all have, and using it to serve others, than you should be questioning everything. Does this help me or hurt me? We all have egos, and we all do battle everyday. But if you are not truly receiving for the sake of sharing than again, what is the point. Nothing you have can you take with you, and there is nothing wrong with having a consistent flow of abundance, but do you really think regardless of how they came to be, we all have a story, and thank God it does not keep us from transforming and becoming better, do you really think after all these years they need your $75. Here's the thing, you can't stop it. No matter how many blogs, emails, videos, negative bashing, woe is me about your tragic life is going to stop it. People want to feel better and when they don't its somebody else's fault. Please, please, do us all a favor, my tiny violin can't play anymore for you. Whether they were forthcoming about the illness, or trying to hide it, they couldn't stop death either. And since it was not our experience, as someone who works in hospice, regardless of the why, when its time to go, people just want to transition in peace. Good, bad, or indifferent, who said it first or who said it best, whatever Jerry's fate is, Abraham, or those who have come before and after them, it is never up to us to decide. Create an alternative, but I guess before you can do that, your going to have to figure out how help your own miserable selves before you can help anyone else. Peace

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        MariahS 5 years ago

        Throwing the baby out with the bath water sounds like a good idea in this case.

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        Kyra1985 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Precious Life, Abraham has said many times that people's interpretation of nonphysical is filtered through their beliefs and religious training. If this is true, there is no question that Esther's "interpretation" is being filtered through the rhetoric of New Thought and Seth ideology (both of which we know Esther was exposed to pre-Abraham). That said, in theory, there is nothing "pure" about the channeled material that comes through Esther because it has been infected by the previous ideologies she was exposed to. If she had been reading about Satan and Hell, it's likely she would be discussing the world from that vantage point rather than from that of New Thought and the Seth materials.On that same note, regarding the baby and the bathwater, Esther and Abraham are intricately linked in the philosophy. You don't get to separate the message from Esther because, in theory, the message is through Esther (and being tainted by her). So it is flawed to say that Esther is only human, but Abraham's message is pure. Based on the theory of how the communication is occurring, all those human parts of Esther are keeping the message from being "pure" and gives us more reason to be skeptical of it.That all said, this is only a theoretical rambling since there is no reason for us to believe that anything that Esther is doing is beyond her fabrication.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Precious Life, you can imagine how hard it is to take seriously or respond to someone who claims so much insight, but doesn't know that Jerry Hicks spelled his name with a "J" not a "G."Because your arguments have so much in common with those Marc and Karen at AHP send over as sock puppets to try to mislead and confuse discussions, I have to conclude that you're another, just not a well-versed in the ways of Esther Hicks.For the record, Esther says she does not channel, and no one ever said they were not "as human as you or I." (Sloppy grammar, by the way. It should be "you and me.") Abraham is not however, and it is their teachings we are discussing, not anything Esther or Jerry claim as their own. Abraham claims that aging and "deterioration" are unnecessary and there is no need die of any illness.As you can see from the photos, both Jerry and Esther deteriorated. Esther also got fat. Jerry died of leukemia, without ever trying the Abraham methods of wellness Abraham has preached through Esther for decades. That's why they are silent. Esther can't explain what happened in any rational way. The truth is that neither of them believed what they taught, but instead were heavy into money, as Esther clearly stated in Colorado at a workshop in June, 2004. You are welcome to look it up, but she was unequivocal in her statement that "Every bit of it is about economics," even religion.Your closing "RIP Gerry, All is forgiven," forgetting the misspelling and poor punctuation, is inexplicable. Who asked you to forgive him? For what?

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Need to use discernment with anyone you choose to listen to for spiritual advice or guidance. Gerry and Esther are as human as you or I. They are applying the channeled teachings to their own lives as they so often have shown in some of the "channeled" anectodes. The chanelled material comes from pure non physical and so very few humans are able to keep their alignment 24/7. That message also comes through the channelings - you never get it done etc.. Take the good that enhances your own experience and trust that no one ever has all the answers. The best guidance any of of us can cultivate through devotion to own meditation. RIP Gerry, All is forgiven.

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        sarahrk lm 5 years ago

        I have never heard of Abraham Hicks, but this is an interesting and controversial story.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @grannysage: The idea that we "create our own reality" is one of the silliest, most jejune concepts Esther Hicks preaches. To do so, we would not only have to create each other, but also gravity, Zanzibar, Mitt Romney and history of Australian philosophy. And we'd have to create the concurrent illusion that all these others we created are under our control. That's narcissism gone amuck. Unfortunately, it's also seductive for people who have trouble handling reality as it really is, not as our fantasies hope it to be.

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        grannysage 5 years ago

        It is what it is. Why spend so much time and energy debating it? I still find Abraham uplifting. If we create our own reality, then we choose how much of the message we take into our own consciousness. If we don't create our own reality, then we a gullible in many areas, not just in this one.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thank you, Kathy. They won't release anything, such as an obit, in which they can't control the information. What everyone needs to understand now is that the reason Jerry Hicks, at least publicly, chose traditional medicine was because he and Esther would not risk the franchise by telling the world he was following Abraham's teachings. He died anyway; so, why didn't they take the easy way and change his vibration to one of perfect health, rather than go through the rigors so many go through in treating harsh illnesses?

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        I think it's a great blog, Dave ... this whole Jerry Hicks illness (Wayne Dyer's, too) and now his death has thrust me into a place of doubt and confusion ... it is good to get another side of the story. I'll keep watching your blog, in case you can find an obit or other fact that isn't being released by the Abraham-Hicks folks.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Tomi, I'm going to assume that your passion led you to misspell "crusify" when you meant crucify. Turn your spell-checker on. You seem to be equating criticism of Esther and Jerry with what the Romans did in putting Jesus on a cross. It your mind trends that way, you might want to try objectivity. Maybe you can explain in more detail how these very wealthy and, they claim, happy people have suffered from skeptical comment. Thanks for you thought, but I'm not frustrated, as you hopefully suggest. I have not authority to "let others" do any one thing or another. They can read my opinions or not, and if they read them, they can decide whether they agree or not. It's all about choice and openness, like it or not.A "disease for humanity?" The root is dis-ease, making discomfort. That is what writers do sometimes, creating some discomfort in encouraging people to think and evaluate, not just buy the company line. It's not supposed to be sunny.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: A prediction: Esther will try to rally the followers into workshops and become more reliant on webcasts for money, including paid videos from archives. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, as Jerry might have been, and she'll have to rely on previously recorded material to succeed. Her recent history with Jerry ailing and not participating is full of bizarre comments (She told one mother not to disturb her son's habit of kicking their cat as the cat was teaching him (to be the next Ted Bundy.)) and nasty behavior.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Marcia, thank you. I did get that message from Esther, but I was flying along at 70 MPH without a computer at the time. No time to update this information then. By the way, don't take that date as certain. No one has been able to locate an obit, yet, which is odd, and Esther has a long history of "adjusting" the facts to fit a purpose. I don't doubt that Jerry's long, eventful life is over. The man was an amazingly effective achiever.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        In case you haven't heard, Jerry passed away last Friday, 11/18/11.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It will be interesting to see what happens in the near future, with Jerry passing and the previously cancelled workshop being reinstated.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Dave,If someone comes with some positive news, like Jerry and Esther did, people like you are trying to crusify them. If you are frustrated with your life, let others be happy and follow their heart. People like you are disease for humanity.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @MaryK LM: It's an interesting situation, and it's being played out right now. A-H has canceled everything, except product sales. Esther is off the road indefinitely. Without Jerry, she can't or doesn't want to do her thing on stage. This suggests, even more, strongly, that Abraham was never anything more than his worldview echoed through and filtered by his charismatic wife. But I could never prove it, and in reality, I don't think we will ever know the whole truth of it for sure.Thanks for your comment.

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        MaryK LM 5 years ago

        Interesting Lens.You ask three questions above: Is Jerry Hicks Abraham, Esther and Jerry Hicks have been a powerful team, but is there really one-hundred more nonphysical teachers pushing "blocks of thought" into Esther's skull, and IIs Abraham-Hicks Real?Here are my answers: 1. No, Jerry is not "Abraham" - 2. "blocks of thought" being pushed into skulls makes no sense to me. (for one thing, 'thought' is of the mind... and the mind does not have an exclusive relationship to the 'skull'. 3. "Abraham-Hicks" is the name of a business organization which, to the best of my knowledge is 'real' (as in physically documented and tax-paying). P.S. Congrats on the Top 1000! :)

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: This comment is so incoherent, it's hard to respond to, but if by "them" you mean Esther and Jerry (?), anyone who buys their claim to have been in daily one to one contact with Abraham, who is in direct contact with Source (=God) and has access to all the wisdom of all time, would have to expect them to be "better." That's why they have shelled out serious coin for decades to listen to Esther speak live.Not sure if I answered what you were trying to say, but your comment was nearly impossible to sort out. Added twenty minutes after the first one, I believe you were trying to make one more point that you missed in your first assignment.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Maureen, let's take this step by step.First, either you don't know what "closed minded" means or you're hoping to dismiss what's been written with a wild swing that discredits it in one shot. Although you claim to be "no 'Aber,'" you seem to know their techniques enough to determine which are helpful. Then, you blithely blame the victims of Esther and Jerry Hicks gimmicks because you claim they are "blind followers." Listen, without blind followers who fell in with Jerry and Esther at a time of need, there would be no Abraham Hicks today. They prey on the spiritually needy and promise easy solutions. They may be at fault, but who fed them the poison?On the other hand, your bizarre comparison of Abraham's "attitude" to the well-known serenity prayer suggests that you don't know much about Esther and Jerry at all. The serenity prayer is about the gentle acceptance of circumstances that we can't control. A-H preaches that we can change anything we want by changing vibrations. Those are two different things. The rest of the teachings are full of contradictions and factual misrepresentations driven by a "give the people what they want" commitment. After "briefly skimming your long blog," you might be shaking your head because you don't know what a blog is. (Hint: this isn't one.) As for your spanking me for putting "so much effort into complaining on and on about a tiny possible problem instead of thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems," I guess it's my turn to shake my head. You shouldn't be surprised that writers write. (That's why we're called "writers." Get it?) We get paid to write what others will read and discuss. This lens, for the record, attracts more attention than any of the 200+ others I have out there. Most of them do not consider what's Jerry and Esther Hicks are doing "a tiny possible problem." Finally, how on Earth did you come to the remarkable conclusion that I should be "thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems?" Who assigned me that mission? You? I'll repeat that roughly 5% of my writing covers A-H territory. I write much more about books and art, by far. I also have a long lens about the Tao of the Optimism Junkie. It's my own credo, and you know nobody has yet complained that I wrote about it. That sort of stuff only comes from those of you who visit on a mission to excuse Esther and Jerry Hicks from whatever angle you can invent.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: I wanted to add that I too noticed that Esther and Jerry don't appear to be the perfect embodiments of the ideas spouted by the intuition they channel (that we all have access to). But, that's pretty common. Whether you're reading from a book, listening to a guru's lecture (who say the SAME things as A.Hicks says - but how many people read instead of watch TV so they could know that?) or tapping into your "higher mind," "intuition," or whatever you want to call it, it takes a lot of practice and dedication to be perfect with that you learned and be at a Buddha level. I'm not sure why anyone expects them to be any better at that than the other A. Hicks readers.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        It looks like everything you've said is from a closed minded state. I'm no "Aber" but am somewhat familiar with their work. I don't know if they're for real or not and don't really care. Some of the techniques are helpful. Blind followers without common sense are always going to have a difficult life and then blame the people they followed.Abraham's attitude you call mean spirited is basically the same as the serenity prayer: to change what you can and accept what you can't. Most people don't get upset about that when other people say it. Briefly skimming your long blog, I shake my head to see that you put so much effort into complaining on and on about a tiny possible problem instead of thinking of new ways to help people and to discover solutions to big world problems.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Ahnalira: Get Esther a chauffer. She's at the wheel here without a compass or the great manager who has been disabled with cancer. Have somebody help, Esther! I asked Abraham, and they said you'd be okay with it.

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        Ahnalira 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: I did get the sense there was some "scrambling" to explain away the obfiscation of facts in the May email. "Playing it down" is -- in some ways -- the nicer way of saying "purposely misled and got caught at it." At the time, I wondered if they really thought I was lacking the intelligence to know that chemotherapy doesn't treat spider bites; it treats cancer. I won't say I begin to understand the logic of the email in terms of selling products. I will say I was baffled by the first half of the email, and I found the second half to almost as confusing. From: we are looking at new initiatives for sharing the teachings (Does that mean no more workshops?) to buy our repackaging of old workshops as DVDs to "We look forward to seeing you in person soon," I got nothing that gave me a sense of where things are headed...except perhaps to more repackaged workshops DVDs.If lack of clarity is synonymous with "the death of Abraham-Hicks", I am preparing to mourn. What I do have faith in is that there are always teachers, and the teaching never ends.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @Ahnalira: They have an apparently unresolvable issue in that Jerry's illness and subsequent opting for conventional medicine as a first choice appears 1) to contradict the basic teachings that have made them famous and 2) to be an issue they scrambled to avoid after introducing it deceptively themselves in the first place.The reason for opening up the door a little ways now, but that was something that had to happen to counter the barrage of criticism they have received before making a fresh marketing pitch. They gave followers just enough to keep the hard core breathing.I've gone from grudging admiration over their effectiveness to disgust over lack of concern for others and even, as they prop him up for a sales gimmick, the lack of respect for Jerry.

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        Ahnalira 5 years ago

        The most recent email blast was both clarifying and confusing for me. On the one hand, it's good to hear an update and know, from what Esther says, that Jerry is still with us in physical form. However, from there the waters just got muddy for me, trying to interpret what was was written. It seemed like a dissembling ramble of incongruent, vague statements. I came away thinking they must be making peace with his transition from the physical world -- All is well independent of circumstance and events. But at the end, she says they are looking forward to seeing us in person soon. What does that mean?I could be mistaken about how the law of attraction works, but it seems to me that -- no matter how many times Jerry and Esther ask everyone to think only a certain way about them -- the truth is that there is no way to control the interest people have in wanting information to help them understand and process the experience. And I wonder if it wouldn't be to everyone's best interest if the means for sharing the information was clear and clean and easy to interpret. I know I would appreciate it.I understand their desire for privacy. I think part of the confusion is that they've used their life experience as part of the teaching for so long that it wobbles the teaching, itself, when they withdraw that dynamic. Paradoxically, I believe they would have more privacy if they were more forthcoming.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie, I wouldn't worry too much what others say or do. If someone's words lead you in a positive direction then that is worth your time and you are fortunate to have found a learning experience. How people interpret things is often more a reflection of them than the speaker speaking or writing the words.Years ago while clinically depressed I came across some writing similar to the abraham writings and it heped me move forward in life and recapture the joy I had been able to feel before the depression. I couldn't tell anyone how I came out of the depression because I would have been judged severely by having followed such unconventional thinking. What else is new? :) Life is an interesting journey and I feel it is better to move forward and not get too caught up in whether or not people validate my pov.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie, I wouldn't worry too much what others say or do. If someone's words lead you in a positive direction then that is worth your time and you are fortunate to have found a learning experience. How people interpret things is often more a reflection of them than the speaker speaking or writing the words.Years ago while clinically depressed I came across some writing similar to the abraham writings and it heped me move forward in life and recapture the joy I had been able to feel before the depression. I couldn't tell anyone how I came out of the depression because I would have been judged severely by having followed such unconventional thinking. What else is new? :) Life is an interesting journey and I feel it is better to move forward and not get too caught up in whether or not people validate my pov.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I would appreciate it, Max, if they'd inject a little humor, even slapstick. I don't know how anyone with a three digit IQ or not on drugs sits through one of their workshops.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Just read your updates--I couldn't help being reminded of "Weekend at Bernie's" when I saw the photo of the whole family in the balloon gondola. Maybe they'll take a cue from that and Jerry Hicks won't die after all....

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Carrie: There is nothing wrong with feeling good. What is wrong is when the feeling good gets in the way of real life processes or reality. Dave is correct in stating that Jerry and Esther worked a lot to build their business. That doesn't mean that Jerry and Esther didn't work to apply feeling good to their lives. They want to feel good. Thing is, they are human and like the rest of us have had their rough days, weeks, months and years. For the most part they are pretty upbeat. Jerry is a flesh and blood man. He isn't some type of alien or spirit being. He is a man. No one wants Jerry to have this horrible disease. Jerry is lucky in the fact that many have interest in his improvement. The problem is many aren't looking at what Jerry needs at this time. I can tell you that he doesn't need people showing a lack of respect or empathy for the point of views of others. He wouldn't ask you to do that. So if someone is asking that of you then tell them no out of respect for Jerry and Esther. They both have their hands full working with doctors on doing what is needed towards improving Jerry's heath. If Jerry can accept the diverse opinions within his own family, then I feel he would expect others to accept the diverse opinions presented by others regarding his illness and spiritual beliefs. It hurts to see someone you care about struggling with leukemia. Not everyone has benefited from the more intimate and loving nature that Jerry has towards those that are closest to him. Often people become infatuated with the celebrity and forget they need their time away from their fans. Jerry and others within his family have overcome a lot and brought a lot of wonderful things to this world. They have each done this in their own way, but they all started from the same place. Jerry had the broadest reach. He had motivation to change his life and wanted to see that others didn't have the same struggles he had. The thing is that each person takes what they want from the message and applies it differently or expects a magic wand to produce the results for them. The magic wand isn't real. It is just a prop. You have to work and plan to obtain results. Feeling bad it isn't really a bad thing. Sometimes feeling bad, brings different perspectives and empathy when it may be needed the most. Sometimes feeling bad is the tool (lack of better word) to clue you in when something isn't right in your life or with your health. You don't want to feel bad all the time, but you can't expect to never feel bad. Carrie, take a break and obtain some objectivty. Individually we may not agree with Dave's opinion, but give him credit. Dave does a good job writing about this topic. Take the good things you have learned from Abraham Hicks and rethink how to apply them. Be sensible and practical in your application. I wish I could hug you and give you some comfort. Hopefully, these words will help. .

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @cbessa: Very nice community effort on your part, not just on my behalf, but on others as well. Thanks. I'll be seeing you on level 65 shortly.

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        cbessa 5 years ago

        Hello, Dave.After a long time reading and being inspired by your lenses, finally i feature one of them on my Top 5 lenses from my Squidoo Neighbours lens.I would love to read your feedback on it!Thanks. See you around.

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        Kyra1985 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Hey Carrie. Contrary to what Abraham would have you believe, there is more to their philosophy than just feeling good. They encourage less-than-positive things like narcissism, victim-blaming, and indifference. I am an advocate for feeling good. I am not an advocate of these other, more detrimental parts of the teachings.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I know more about Esther and Jerry than you think and plenty I've never written about. But, like you, they are neither happy nor confident, and they don't live as they preach. In fact, one think I like about them is that they both have worked very hard, seven days a week to earn their fortune, even as this goes completely against the grain of what they preach.Yes, in answer to your question, digging to uncover the truth about anything--public frauds, the mysteries of the universe, how to meditate more effectively--all of that inspires me and writing well about what I find is what I've been doing for decades. You have nothing to fear in the truth, and if I'm wrong about Esther and Jerry, then disagree coherently without partial or full emotional meltdowns. Others who agree with you would appreciate your well-presented honesty. So would I. Personally, I'd love to be shown that I'm wrong about Esther and Jerry Hicks. I'd apologize happily. It's not going to happen though. None the supporters who come here to rant (often the same people using different names) ever make a coherent argument, but make emotional appeals and attacks instead. If they believed in their hearts and minds they were right, all they would really need to do is spell it out. Never happens.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_Wnaabg3U&amp... Is there anything wrong with finding things to feel good about? Does feel bad about something EVER do anyone any good? Does thining about Jerry Hicks having cancer and dying and Abraham being a scam really feel good to people here? If so, great. If criticizing people who go in the direction of feeling good (hopeful, happy, positive, etc) and wriing mean stuff about people you don't even know, or know anything about, really makes you happy, then that's the value of it. Feeling happy and good is the goal, no matter what you use to get into it. I just realized I had read this page and left a comment that DIDN'T feel good ot me, so trying to find something that does feel good (not negative) in it. And I did, if writing this stuff makes you happy and feel good, than go for it. Those who don't agree or feel the same can just skip on by. Funny, the security word to copy both times I've posted here has to do with pigs. This time it's pig snoop. Fitting LOL

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        Lisa Auch 6 years ago from Scotland

        Excellent, Excellent, and off to read some more...Blessed

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: "And, amazingly, Deepak doesn't have to channel anyone but his own personal, highly integrated wisdom."I'm with you here Dave. Refreshing to just hear from a real live in the flesh and blood human.Thanks again

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: I've never heard anything that made me cringe (much) from Theo, and unlike the Esther and Jerry carnival, Sheila Gillette has a credible personal story to tell.On the other hand, I've never had a Wow! moment either. You'd think these spirits who are said to have such total access to wisdom would knock your socks off, once in a while, but no, not really. The only people who seem to have something interesting to say are those like Deepak Chopra who has studied and searched and meditated freely and openly. And, amazingly, Deepak doesn't have to channel anyone but his own personal, highly integrated wisdom.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: Just had a look-see! Wow! I can just hear Jerry's amway marketing brain ticking the dollars after that conversation with Theo. A way to sell lots of books and tapes. Gee, this age of enlightenment sure has a lot of muddy water.The Dalai Lama is visiting my home town next week and my kids are all off to meet him. He seems genuine.So what's your feeling on Theo? Is it the blind leading the blind to the banquet of human seekers?

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: It's all here: http://www.asktheo.com/Yes, sir. Theo is also tech savvy. Have a look for yourself.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        @David Stone1: Thanks Dave,First I've heard of Theo. Be fun to compare. From what I see not much material available so no marketing going on there. There's hope for Theo!Know any good sources for Theo material?thanks

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @GoCools: GoCools, you've touched on it exactly. Some the teachings were very cool, the earlier you get generally, the cooler. But as you've seen, there is nothing new here. Wattles was talking about this decades ago, and even the term "law of attraction" was taken for another writer, even though the Hicks' team claimed that it came from Abraham.As for the current act, they are again following Sheila Gillette's lead. Channeling Theo, earlier this year, Gillette began interacting with the audience for the first time by opening her eyes for, she says, Theo to see through her. Gillette has always seemed more genuine, and for those who don't know, Jerry and Esther borrowed her presentation almost intact in the beginning. For her part, on her website, she shows Theo at the top tier of "Archangels" and Abraham lower in the ranks. Gillette is far more open, going to light worker happenings and participating when she and Theo don't have to control everything and interact casually with other participants.

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        GoCools 6 years ago

        It is fascinating watching this play out 'live'. Now many of the teachings of Abraham are really cool. It's the dog and pony show that I suspect is not what it appears. I am proud owner of an original Wallace Wattles 1915 Financial Success through Creative Thought upon which the Secret was based. I started looking into Abraham after the decision to edit out Abraham from the movie.Today I was watching the latest 'live' Abraham online (free version) and at 47:55 a hotseater asks abraham "where is jerry?". There was no mention of his illness and a relieved Esther just moved on. But there was an energy there that was easy to pick up. Reminds me of a Dylan song, "Something is happening here and you don't know what it is, do you Mr HotSeat!"I now felt she was hiding a skeleton. In a previous live version at the end of the seminar she made a hasty retreat away from the crowd and I sensed all is not right here.However there are fascinating lessons here to watch unfold in the coming months.Valuable insights here. Thanks

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        David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thanks for these insights, Cegran. I'm not terribly familiar with Seth and appreciate knowing more about it. Interesting perspective and contrast with what's going on now.

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        Kyra1985 6 years ago

        @anonymous: Hey Cegran, I do know several Seth students. I also know the backstory about Jane Roberts' illness. Yes it was explained, and that explanation served as an excuse. I think your statement serves as a wonderful example of what I was talking about. Jane just found an excuse (aka "explanation") that Sethers would believe so that she could continue with her gimmick, and they would buy it. Clearly, it worked.

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        anonymous 6 years ago

        @Kyra1985: I'm not sure you ever met any Seth students. Her slow and painful death was not excused, it was explained. Meticulously documented. Laboriously evaluated. Seth told Jane to stop smoking.. Jane's own response to that was akin to 'fat chance'. Seth gave her dietary guidelines, meditations, exercises, and not only that, explained in deep psychological and spiritual reasons exactly why she became so ill, and why she hung onto it. When she did what Seth requested of her, then her health improved drastically. She would literally go from not being able to walk, to being able to amble about fairly well in hours or a couple of days. But then Rob would say the wrong thing, she would start to feel guilty, etc., and she would be back to square one. Her illness held certain psychological advantages for her and she never denied that. She never hid that from her students either. Jane's story is tragic. Jane was ashamed and humiliated by her illness, but she never discounted the part she was playing in making herself ill. However, it is not something that required that her students had to cover for her or explain away because Seth was very upfront about it. With such glaring clarity that the "Private Sessions" were not released until after her death because of the personal detail in them. I just wanted to make this clarification because many people from the outside looking in assume her students were disillusioned and crushed by Jane's illness, that they couldn't understand how it happened and were flopping about like some Aber's are now. However, for those that were actual students of the material, and not casual readers of some of her books, that wasn't the case at all. They were saddened of course, but they had been watching and they understood very well exactly what had transpired. Perhaps if Jerry could come clean about what is eating him up inside, it would help Abe's students as well.

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        Kyra1985 6 years ago

        Good work, David! You covered a lot of material here. I don't think that in the end this will matter to Abers, though. Seth supporters managed to excuse Jane Robert's slow, painful death and Christian Scientists found ways of diffusing Mary Baker Eddy's morphine addiction. I'm sure that the same thing will happen here. I do have to say, though, I'm relieved because I think this will encourage people who listen to Abraham's teachings to seek traditional medicine when something goes wrong (rather than intending to rely on Abraham processes). At the least, they won't beat up on themselves so much when they get sick. They'll say, if it can happen to Jerry, it can happen to anyone. And that's good to know because one of my biggest worries about the teaching was with people who were trying to use Abraham processes because they didn't want to go the path of traditional medicine.

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          David Stone 4 months ago from New York City

          You may a good point. There is plenty of gold in there if you let it show itself.

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          David Stone 12 months ago from New York City

          One of the flakier rationalizations I've every read. Pure balony.

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          Susette 12 months ago

          Well, in order to understand who Abraham( and all other channelers) is, you must understand who you are and where you are from. Without that knowledge or waking up, channeled information will not make any sense to you as it sounds weird, fraudulent , fake, and they're out- to -get money from people as you've said. It's because you're trying to compare Abraham teaching to human experience. This will also sounds weird to you; LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!!! There are no built in meaning; You give meaning to life. It's nothing but hollowgram reflecting yourself like mirror. If you are poor financially, physically or mentally, you've created. Wars and disasters are all created by human thoughts. There is nothing out there causes your circumstances. The world is nothing but your projection of consciousness and is simply vibrational interpretation, but humans don't comprehend it of course. Watch out your emotion and thoughts as someone mentioned. Your THOUGHTS determine what emotional status you'll be in and your status of emotion determines your vibrational status. Higher the vibration you maintain healthier life you'll create in every aspect ; lower the vibration you maintain, disastrous life you'll create. Nothing or no one is punishing you; it's that you're creating ; it's just simple physics !!!!(what you put out is what you get back.) That is what LOA (Law of attraction is about ). LOA is not something you practice; it's already applied to you according to your vibrational status since you're born. You are vibrating energy; that's is your TRUE SELF. You created yourself before you're born by bringing small energy from your higher self which is high vibrational being. When you die, that's where you'll be. So unlike humans who believe death is an annihilation, that is far from the truth, to says the least. There is NO such thing as death. Your consciousness and your essence will never die. Love one another, live your life joyfully, and live in NOW. There is no past or future; everything is NOW. Thinking about the past will create static energy that doesn't move. Raise your vibration and it's time to know that YOU'RE GOD! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

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          David Stone 13 months ago from New York City

          Watching that happen confirmed my worst suspicions. It really was all about the money.

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          Anonymous 13 months ago

          Hi David, now that I am no longer an "Aber" and slowly starting to have compassion for myself and others again, I do have to say I feel sorry for Esther having lost her life partner just as I would be for anybody else who has experienced the death of a loved one. Back when Jerry died, I was so brainwashed I couldn't feel any of the things I do now. I just wish Esther hadn't turned his declining health and demise into a marketing ploy.

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          David Stone 14 months ago from New York City

          Robert, would you mind identifying yourself and providing concrete examples that can be verified? Thanks. Many people would appreciate it, but such examples for claims of this kind are next to impossible to find. Ergo, no verification. Why would anyone buy in, just on your word?

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          Robert 14 months ago

          Law of attraction is real. We are energy. Energy cannot be destroyed. I have manifested wealth and career success by holding what I desire in my mind's eye. I had an experience at age 28 that revealed we are all connected, there is nothing to fear, and love is our nature. It was an out of body experience that I cannot put into words, but others like Eckhart Tolle, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Esther Hicks and others have done so eloquently.

          Choose not to believe, that's your choice. I didn't until age 28. Now I know it's real. I am not religious, never have been. I'm a skeptic. However, I find the message of Abraham, aka Esther Hicks to be accurate. It's the same message that has been shared since recorded history. I didn't get it the first several times I heard and read it. Now it's all so clear. I have no reason to lie. Like I said, I've become wealthy and successful using the law of attraction. I'm highly educated and have nothing to sell. I just want others to know that all things are possible in an infinite universe. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

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          David Stone 19 months ago from New York City

          Correct. They did not say that, and neither did I.

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          fromage 19 months ago

          This is such a ridiculous article. The implication that Esther, Jerry or Abraham ever suggested that life inside our current bodies is eternal, is complete and utter nonsense, and a total misinterpretation. All living things on earth eventually die, whether from cancer, heart attack, some other disease or an errant bus. Whether or not you believe that, speaks of your own intelligence and no one else's.

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          David Stone 23 months ago from New York City

          Deb, I couldn't agree with you more.

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          Deb 23 months ago

          I've worked out one thing....and I think that is all I am meant to work out....have a direct link to your God/inner self and leave out all the 'middle men and women' telling what to believe and do and, of course....pay. If it works better to believe in what others say, then do it, but for me, I have worked out, each and every one of them are doing what each and every 'founder' of religions have done...promoted their own beliefs. I think many do it for the right reasons...they want to help others, but....that is why you have so many different belief systems...we should have nearly 8 billion...one for each person, not, however many there are. Think about it...have you ever found one to be 110% you? Or do you have 'alter yourself for the better'? To believe and trust in yourself, is for you, without costing a cent...I can work out why no one promotes that....no money, no justification in your own belief...numbers of followers means you are doing something right...and I think you are, but...not complete right. Trouble is, we are never taught to really believe in ourselves...funnily enough, there are little signs around in many various texts...like God is within you. Think of some yourselves.

          Whatever you choose to do....enjoy your life:)

          Could you imagine a world where we all believed in ourself

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          We will never know the whole story. It leaked out at the end that he was in Korea seeking a bone marrow transplant, but it was suppressed. To this day, no one has publicly found a death certificate. Esther and company were so shaken by the way the story was botched, three years after Esther announced his death, their website still claims he's alive an kicking.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          You are welcome. Yeah, that one bothered me more than anything else, I think, and it was galling that no one in the audience objected, at least not publicly.

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          Awake 2 years ago

          Excellent article, spot on. Advocating animal abuse alone should be proof enough. Thank you, David.

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          Awake 2 years ago

          The 'all knowing beings' opted that Jerry undergo poisonous chemo while cannabis and diet cures? Hmm.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          First, anna, your arguments are tired and worn out. They've been tried a zillion times, and the fact of the matter is, people either look at all the evidence and reach an independent conclusion or they take it selectively, attack the messenger and use peculiar logic to wind up back where they wanted to be. Sorry to disappoint, but I am neither bitter, old, atheistic nor sour. Personal attacks are generally a tactic for discount information you can't handle otherwise.

          You write that anyone who thinks Abraham's follower should be able to miraculously heal themselves "is lacking any awareness the role of the human within spiritual practice." But that come straight from Esther/Abraham live. They say they can change the diagnosis of the "sickest of the sick" by spending only an afternoon with them. Were they wrong? Jerry spent many afternoons, not to mention mornings, evenings and nights with them, and it didn't help him at all. Abers always palm this off, but you can't change what's on the record, even if it's inconsistent with the beliefs you cling too.

          Jerry's and Esther's refusal (you say "reluctance," but it was more than that) "to use the 'C' word was, in fact, deceptive. They were so desperate to misdirect followers they tried to sell his illness as the result of fire ant bite. They sold that falsehood hard until it became clear that Jerry's chemotherapy failed, at which point they stopped mentioning that too - for nearly six months until he died.They were well aware that they could never explain it successfully, so they ignored it, bringing up his illness only when they used it to sell tickets.

          You claim there is "corroboration of Abraham's advice," but if so, why when challenged are the cult's followers never able to provide a single instance? Listen, I've asked many times. Never have I gotten anything more than a general answer. No evidence. Not even once.

          Let me sum it up like this. I'd be the happiest man alive if it was proven that the Teachings of Abraham were right on. They are easy to follow, not difficult as you claim here, as Esther has always said. "It's supposed to be easy" has been a decades long catch phrase. So, why don't more people follow her path to joy? I sure would, if life was like that. It isn't. Life takes experience, learning and insight, not adherence to unsubstantiated claims about messages from God, delivered through some select source who can't even follow the guidance. Get with it, anna. Life's interesting and challenging. Join us. We need more adults.

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          anna 2 years ago

          I read this piece all the way through with interest and have drawn some new conclusions from it. So thank you for providing your opinion. However, I read your words as coming from a very literal, or at least, an atheistic, interpretation of the teachings, delivered with the voice of a bitter, old man. The expectation that anyone involved in the Abraham Hicks movement should be able to miraculously heal themselves from disease, without question, is lacking any awareness the role of the human within spiritual practice. Abraham says that it is possible (as many other spiritual teachers have done and continue to do)... IF the human can get the human conscious awareness of fear/ doubt / worry out of the way. Apparently it's as easy as saying to someone, "It is possible to scale up El Capitan, so off you go and do it." Not everyone is physically ready to do so. Jerry's reluctance to use the 'C' word is not deceptive, in my opinion, it is a human trying to reach for a positive conclusion in the face of one of the most highly publicised forces of our time and his own human condition. That's a lot of force to try to overcome and I do not find it all surprising, embarrassing or in conflict with the teachings, that he failed to do so. Maybe he'll get it right next time and crossover from a tropical island with pineapple juice in hand. Cheers! Jerry's journey is not for you, or I, or anyone to judge, and is not actually relevant to those who turn to Abraham as a source of advice. Your sourness, also, cannot undo the corroboration of Abraham's advice through happenstance, evident to many others, whether the techniques work for you or not. We each choose the insights that resonate well with us and although, through your words, I am reminded to take into account the human mood of those who translate such wisdom, not much else of what you say resonates with me. Interesting that you have written a whole article condemning the marketing pitch attached to Hicks communication and gone on to finish an opinion piece with a link to your own works on Amazon. Pot. Kettle. Black. hmm?

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Why is it that people who leap in to defend Esther Hicks are never able to cite a single instance to reinforce their claims?

          "You get what you look for" is specious sophistry that masks the fact that you have nothing with which to counter. If you are deliberately blind to objective observation, maybe because you're so deeply invested in a belief system, it's true that you may refuse to acknowledge what's right in front of you. Doesn't mean you can't see it, just that you don't want to.

          If at any time you actually have something constructive or substantial to add, please wander back and do so. I don't expect it though. Cult members never do. They are usually too fearful that their balloons will be burst.

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          eflatmac 2 years ago

          Dude, how much time did you spend trying to prove that Abraham is a kind of gimmick? I can smell your bitterness. This reads like a college sophmore's final paper... what exactly were you trying to accomplish here? Who did you think would be reading this? I mean, really, if you've got nothing nice to say...

          Spend your time contributing something positive. You think Abe is bs and you've documented the proof you've found. Someone else thinks it saved his/her life and could prove that as well. You get what you look for.

          Obviously you've found what you were looking for. I suppose congratulations are in order.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          I hope you have a nice day too!

          Your angry comment would be more convincing and, I'm sure, helpful, if you were able to cite even one example of "misinterpreted half-truths." Where are the "half-baked speculation" or the "twisted truth?"

          It seems to me that, when you disagree, your tactic is to take roundhouse punches of accusation without citing any evidence. That doesn't work so well in the real world. I can explain and justify every word I've written. How about you? Or is this just the cult talking?

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          dp27 2 years ago

          I'm impressed! This article is so full of misinterpreted half-truths you could write an entire book on the subject. I love the self-promotion at the end, too. You could've just condensed the article a bit by writing, "Abraham Hicks is a fraud and a lie, but you can read my books instead!"

          You don't have to like AH or Jerry or Esther, or believe in any of it. But you could at the very least offer your readers a little less half-baked speculation and twisted truth. You won't get far by bashing other spiritual teachers, and I certainly wouldn't bother buying books from one who does. Have a nice day.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Typical of Abraham-Hicks defenders, you don't cite a single example of an inaccuracy. Sorry, but I can verity every word. Where did I get such a skewed view? Objective study. Try it some time.

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          ElaineMM 2 years ago

          Dear David: I do not know how you arrived at such a skewed view of the Abraham-Hicks info, but everything you wrote was pretty much inaccurate. And biased. I hope that people will do their own research and use their own discernment. Thank you.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          I'm sorry to give you that impression, Ann. What you see as "arrogant self-satisfaction" others see as confidence. There are multiple sides to every story. People will land on whichever one fits their worldview best. But why make it personal? Like any writer, I cover what I know a lot about. Abraham-Hicks just happens to be an area where I have a lot of experience, have some expertise and know sever great contacts. And ugly, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

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          Ann Onymous 2 years ago

          I think David Stone is correct: always the inevitable sales pitch, eh? I notice you were sure to include your own! LOL However your 'yawn, yawn, yawn' comment reeks of such arrogant self-satisfaction that I doubt that you are anywhere near as happy and wise as you purport. So many articles about Jerry and Esther and Abraham...and so ugly.

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          Wayne Peebles 2 years ago

          The Law of Corruption is always on. Personally, I prefer what the Buddhists call The Law of Cause and Effect. I like to call the "Great

          Recession", The "Great Blessing". It showed how crassly materialistic

          our society has become. The most important thing is not what you have;

          it is what you are. The most important things in life are not things.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Mary, like most people, if you want to believe something, you will fined reasons to justify your belief.

          Here's a tip, look up "irrational" in the dictionary to become familiar with its meaning.

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          Mary 2 years ago

          Thanks David for sharing this!! I enjoyed watching her workshop video you shared here, because I now am sure that she is genuine.

          The way she behaves with a rude guy who has come to make fun of her husband death, is amazing!!!!!!!

          Also, your irrational reasoning helped me a lot in telling genuine from fake.

          Also the fact that you are so concerned now about the right of animals (i guess you have been watching all Esthers' videos for such a long time and when you finally found a part which you hoped to support your claims, you had a party!) BUT you have used some words like Emptiheadedness and Dumpbest about how people think!!!!!!!! is too strange.

          Its also strange that how Esther could talk that respectfully with that guy but you talk like that with people who have just commented against what you think and haven't come here to talk about a dear one death!!!!!

          Thanks.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          @donna9999: You may think you "know that they do not judge anyone," but that is not the case. It's not the case, on the simplest level, because as a matter of living a life among others, we judge them all the time. Nobody escapes that nor should they. It's how we chose friends and so forth.On a practical level, knowing people who have been close associates of Jerry and Esther, I can assure that neither is or was a saint or exceptional in any way, except for the marketing. There are people they hurt badly and pinned responsibility on Abraham. Pretty cheesy, right. Esther and Jerry when he was alive both had strong personal senses of entitlement and a willing to ostracize and abandon people after they used them up. Esther is especially judgmental and brown to melt downs when employees make any she deems a mistake. Don't put them on a pedestal. They don't belong there.

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          donna9999 2 years ago

          I want to make a comment about the apparent negative feelings many Hick's followers have expressed. My advice is that the information the Hicks family shared with the public is outstanding. I feel that when individuals convert the material as a religion, then the responsibility is afforded to them. I am a mental health therapist and have enjoyed applying the techniques to my source of information. Fortunately i have held on to my religious beliefs and associated the "source" as the power of the Heavenly Being that I believe in.Please do not judge the Hicks family because I know that they do not judge anyone.

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          sharka69 2 years ago

          @David Stone1: Thanks for the answers Dave.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          @sharka69: My apologies. I'd read in a discussion group that Roberts kept smoking even after she fell ill and jumped to the wrong conclusion. You are right about her. Her work is credible, and she never tired to exploit and image or turn her gift for profit, as far as I know.Kyra? I wish I could answer that. She stopped updating her blog, without explanation. My guess is, she got tired of the topic and moved on, but it's just a guess. As far as I can see, she said all she wanted to say on the subject of Esther, Jerry and Seth.

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          sharka69 2 years ago

          A couple of questions:1. Where is the information suggesting Jane Roberts died of cancer? I read all her books around the time of her illness and found no mention of cancer, only mention of severe arthritis, bed sores and infections. She wouldn't have tried to hide it- her and Robert Butts made no attempt to appear perfect- they were quite happy to admit their flaws.2. Do you know what happened to Kyra, critic of Abraham? Her blogs have been silent for what looks like 2 years. This seems odd given her apparent passion for the work.Thanks.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anna-wilson-5667: Funny thing, I'm quite astounded too that anyone claiming to be an adult would wallow in a fantasy about "ceasing judgement." Everyone judges things all the time, every day. (In case you missed it, you judged like crazy right here. Good for you! There's hope.) Judgement is one of the salient characteristics of humans. Denouncing judgement is just an empty-headed, New Age thing that lets you feel oh so superior to the rest of us mortals. Woo-woo at its worst.It also amazes me that you don't get the danger Esther Hicks injects with her blame the victim theology, insisting every death is suicide and that crime victims, from rape to murder, bring it on themselves with their bad vibrations. Don't you see the dangers of giving people like you a convenient excuse for ignoring the pains of your fellow human beings?As for marketing, gosh, who would ever stoop to anything so low as marketing? What's this world coming to?

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          anna-wilson-5667 3 years ago

          The fact is that different things resonate for different people at different times. I would think that anyone claiming to be spiritual evolved or conscious could cease judgement and let people find their own path. There was a time when they did it for me, now I am drawn to Kryon. People are ready for messages at different times. I don't think she says anything negative that would harm a persons life. I am quirte astounded you go to great lengths to bash her down. Sounds more like a marketing tool to promote your own work or others you admire. Boohoo to you

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @catamaran6: Note: Neither Deepak Chopra nor Wayne Dyer are "long time students of Abraham." Chopra has too much on the ball to waste time on this stuff, and in spite of his willingness to endorse whatever Hay House asks him to, in his recent spiritual autobiography, I Can See Clearly Now, Dyer never mentions Esther, Jerry or Abraham, not even once, although he recognizes numerous other sources of learning and insight. And no, I have never met Esther or Jerry. Everything I write is personal.

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          catamaran6 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: So you still listen to them? I agree with you Dave in the sense that the idea of LOA has been around forever, they certainly didn't create it. I think most of their materials say "the current law of attraction wave started here" or some such thing. And i think the current wave was popularized by them. Many folks I read say the same thing but in newer more specific ways. And that variety can be valuable. It's interesting that a new step was added to their "system" only after Jerry died. The step four business is an evolution in their teaching for sure, it dovetails nicely with Chopra, Tolle, and other such teachers of valuing beingmess over doingness. Chopra of course isn't original, nor is Dyer (both are also long time students of Abraham) but I appreciate their personal spin. I don't think of Esther as any kind of guru needing to be transcended. Like everything, they are a reflection of us. Your perspective is interesting. Did you know the Hicks' personally? This seems personal for you somehow.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @catamaran6: Great if it works for you, catamaran6, but rather than expand, Esther has contracted and gone back to old ideas since Jerry's death, in my opinion. I do hope you will keep looking. Outgrowing Esther's teachings can be an important step in maturing as an individual.

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          catamaran6 3 years ago

          Esther and her message has actually hugely expanded since the death of Jerry. It is deeper and more powerful than ever. I have read and enjoyed many spiritual teachers, including all mentioned here, but Abraham has a specific resonance for me and has powerfully changed my life. And in the past two years it has gone to a whole new level.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @kamilaruno: Really?

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          kamilaruno 3 years ago

          So much hate here, DaveStone13... What did poor Esther and Jerry Hicks ever do to you to deserve so many bitter words? It must hurt you to see that now, in 2014, Esther still continues her path, even without Jerry's physical appearance... It seems in the end that she wasn't just parroting Jerry :) Blessed her work and all the people who choose to see good in the others.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @Pat Goltz: Thanks, Pat. You've hit some of the points that resonate with me as well. If we are going to take anyone's teachings on faith, it better be getting us somewhere more integrated with the reality in which we live.

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          Pat Goltz 3 years ago

          I never followed the Hicks. For some reason (for which I am thankful), that sort of thing never appealed to me. I did read Think and Grow Rich, and wasn't impressed by it. I don't remember a thing he said, actually. As for the Hicks, I think you made your case well. I have a lot more respect for the Dalai Lama, although I do not share his spiritual perspective. At least he is a gentle soul, which is more than I can say about a lot of these people. Obviously, claiming that the 3000 that were killed in the terrorist attacks were committing suicide is the height of cruelty. The Law of Attraction is like that, you know. It blames the victim. As for cancer, I lost my fear of it when I turned my back on the notion of conventional treatment. I have known too many people who did likewise and got along just fine. For me, going conventional first delays real treatment, and may make it less effective. I plan to stick around and read everyone's comments. They would appear to be as interesting as the lens itself. I love how analytical your writings are. Keep it up!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: B Man, that may be, but only if Jerry was lying. He was very clear in his online messages that he expected to be well soon and back in the act. That was after he had the sense to skip the nutty Abraham teachings about health and wellness that he went through chemotherapy and alternative therapies that appeared to include a trip to Korea. This is fairly well documented, and they even had a cover story that he went there because of the kinship he'd always had with the Korean people. Made me laugh, honestly, but the story was too crazy even for them. So, they just let him disappear without an obituary, place of burial or death certificate in this country. You can probably rationalize an explanation for all that to avoid the reality from which A-H offers escape.You say, "I have manifested very powerfully affirming results," without giving any evidence that it's true. Not surprising. Most Abers don't because they can't. So, (and I can document this) I've thrived all my life with all kinds of adventures, good money, a long marriage, grandchildren and living in the place of my dreams. I have never been sick. Even though I don't follow the "teachings of Abraham," I've been happy anyway, mostly because I believe in passion, hard work, honesty and faith. That doesn't prove the Abe teachings are wrong. It just shows that they are no special elixir for happiness or abundance.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Even Jerry was working to learn these teachings to the extent of healing himself- I believe he has fullfilled his destiney this life and perhaps saw no difference w non physical; I have played with ntheir teachings for twenty years and I have manifested very powerfully affirming results; but hey it's my reality. Rock on Esther and Abraham!!!!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I appreciate your philosophical slant on this, even though I disagree. You're thinking and trying to understand. Good for you! Keep at it. It's a long road.As for Jerry, not only did Jerry openly declare his desire to stay alive, he wrote that he had a chat with Abraham and was told how to correct the errors he'd made. It was unequivocal. Now, either he was lying (Why would he?) or he didn't know what he was talking about. If he hadn't clearly stated the opposite, there might be something to the case you make. As it is, he ended up exposing the hollowness of all the flapdoodle Esther's been spilling for decades.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I feel that Jerry, you and me can change any circumstance or situation .If we can and I mean IF we can change the emotional aspect of the subject,The contrasting energy we feel about health, wealth, relationships, our surrounding can be so very big and extremely hard to move to a better feeling place, that is seem imposable never mind death being inevitable however we are all living longer and better lives with more abundance as well as more of lack in our live as well .Jerry and Ester both experience the contrast as humans do and would never deny the incompleteness of their existence .If Jerrys desire was to continue here in this perspective and he was able to reach and find that balance we would not be having this dialog, I believe jerry like all of us IF we can choose a better feeling vibration and emotionally change energy then all is possible . To hang on or to let go either way All is well cause it never ends .See you soon

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Boiled, you make a great point. People are natural followers. The flaw, I think, lies in the poor choices we make for leaders.Thanks.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @rattie lm: Right you are there. People who continue to follow the cult of the AMA are just as bad as any other cult followers. Chemotherapy is a huge money maker for the drug companies but also a very toxic "treatment" for the recipient. In the case of chemo, the "cure" is often worse than the disease. Yet people continue to place all their faith in this practice because the priest in the white lab coat says it's the only way.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Isse, you have several questions, and I'll answer of few of them for you.1. "I see you guys thrashing this couple for no good reasons, why should it bother you guys? What is your payback by doing it? Is it because you are so concerned for other people?" I don't know who the other "guys" might be, but what they are doing doesn't bother me especially, although fraud is always a public nuisance. Payback? None, other than what I earn as a writer on any of the many subjects I cover. No, concern for other people is not a motivation for me in writing this, other than the obligation to provide good accurate information on my suject.2. I have no reason to believe Jesus performed miracles or that the historical Jesus was much like what the Bible and organized religions make of him.3. Tolle got his ideas mainly from Zen Buddhism. Chopra is more protean, but he gets a lot from ancient Indian mystical traditions. Both rely on information far more complex and researched than Esther or Jerry Hicks' work. Esther and mostly Jerry took their ideas from the New Thought Movement, where the "law of attraction" originated, from Seth Speaks and, in practical performance, from Sheila Gillette. All pretty well documented.I am sure, Isse, that if you will turn your passion toward knowing, instead of just believing, you will see through the clouds of pretense the Abraham Hicks group thrives within.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Wow people are really out there to get them! I see you guys thrashing this couple for no good reasons, why should it bother you guys? What is your payback by doing it? Is it because you are so concerned for other people? I doubt it. Meanwhile you are promoting other books.. Don't you know some of these ideas from these books are replica of the Abraham's teaching? Let people be, each of us have different experiences in life. Check out your fingers, are they all the same? Look, there are thousands of ways of being spiritual, I am sure the result could be the same, it's just using a different method of operation. You guys are picking on them and turn their words upside down, I could do the same here to you guys too but I see this is unkind and unnecessary. You have no idea what they are talking about.You have mentioned Jesus too. Didn't Jesus heal people and he performed miracles? He tells the person not to mention it to anyone, didn't he? So let me ask you a question, do you believe Jesus performed miracles then? It is very hard to be in pure positive energy because we are human. Our mind sometimes takes over us, then we start to worry about the outcome of our actions. But there are people who are not afraid of outcome because they do not worry about outcome. But how many of us are like that honestly? Abraham is telling us that the most important time is now, this is where you create everything. ( one has to be in the Vortex first). The book The Power of Now is telling us the same thing. Where do you think Tolle got the idea or Chopra for his book? Everyone is telling us something or selling us something, and that means including you Dave. You are selling something too. We are responsible for our own beliefs, but please do not thrash other people's orientation. You are going upstream for with it for all I know. Thank you.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: The spiritual equivalent of a used car salesman with the exception that the used car salesman is regulated by law and has to deliver something.Thanks.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Saw Esther on the weekend. I felt beyond ill the whole session. I think she is fabulous at channelling money out of people's wallets.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @rattie lm: Sorry, rattie, but any resentment is in your imagination. And where you got the idea that this lens has anything to do with a debate about chemotherapy I'll never know. It seems you have an agenda to promote, whether it's relevant.Just for the record though, for all its drawbacks, chemotherapy has done a lot more good than Esther Hicks' "change your vibration" theology.

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          rattie lm 4 years ago

          So much resentment in this lens. But you know Dave, there should be just as much resentment in the present medical modality. We all need to change what we are doing, and that means not bending to people who do not have our best intentions at heart. I see people who are 'deserate and vulerable' succumb to chemotherapy. Do you really believe that fixes anything?

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @Blonde Blythe: Successful nuts, though. Even after all the nonsense around Jerry's death, Esther keeps cookin'.

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          Blonde Blythe 4 years ago

          Interesting lens on a couple of "nuts." Very well done!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @Kapalbility: I agree, and that's the hook that gets followers, along with her making it seem easier than the others who have taught the same thing. She and Jerry borrowed the best from many sources and published their own version. The trouble is that they stretched some and invented some on their own. When you start following the good stuff, you also get a hefty dose of some pretty dangerous stuff. Okay for people who are clear enough to discriminate. Not okay for people who are desperate or vulnerable.

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          Kapalbility 4 years ago

          Makes quite a controversy! I did find her "channeling" Abrahan quite ridiculous, but some of the teachings are really good.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @OneCuriousCat: The point is that Jerry and Esther chose to avoid the so-called teachings of Abraham completely, when these offer very simple and easy cures, according to them. The question that results is, why not?

          It's true that Esther protected herself from potential liability by carefully telling people to continue treatments is they felt they were "nourishing." You won't find a single instance where she recommended that anyone who was ailing seek treatment and repeatedly mocked peoples thoughts about doing so. I have the recordings, by the way.

          As for the books, I believe Esther and Jerry should have a chance on the same lens to offer their own ideas. Amazon is a perfect spot for that. And, yes, Squidoo shares sales revenue with it's authors. Did you imagine we worked for free?

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          OneCuriousCat 4 years ago

          The teachings of Abraham do not say to only rely on your vibration for illness--that is a possible route, but many many times they talk about using the medical technology that is present to heal. Have you listened to the recordings thoroughly? Have you been to a seminar? Also, regardless of if you believe their spiritual ideas are correct, your argument to say that Esther is now out from under the control of Jerry is very thin. In fact, you use her style of dress being more colorful as one piece of evidence, yet the photo you showed of her post-Jerry's passing, in her supposedly ruling the roost now and free, and the earlier one supposedly under Jerry's control, had her wearing exactly the same colorful blouse! And you are entitled to your ideas--but why would you put their books as a link to purchase here? You are using them to make money because if people buy, you will get a cut. (As well as the Secret, which are based on the Hicks' teachings, at least originally. )

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          whoever wrote all the ridiculous nonsense about Jerry Hicks and his illness, taking the teachings of Abraham totally out of context, is a real a-hole. if anything you had to say had any merit, you would be as famous as Abraham, but, alas, you are a mean little close-minded soul looking for some kind of attention - very sad.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: "Each person finds their own truth from within, and for most of us it comes from a place of unconditional love and non judgement." Really? "We have met these people and they are the most honest and forthright and sincere people we have had the pleasure of meeting." This is judgment. Something we all practice every day of our lives. You see it as undesirable only when it disagrees with you. You're just like everyone else trying to find the best way to understand and live your life.Being shill for Esther Hicks isn't exactly the high road you'd like it to appear. Try some independent thought and discernment. Look at things objectively, without your pro-AH opinions formed in advance and see what really come up with.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: Eventually you yourself will change your mind anyways. That is your nature. There are many like you trying to outsmart themselves. We are all seeking.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          "So, why didn't they just do that instead of choosing conventional medicine, the chemotherapy Jerry described as "heavy," and a string of alternative therapies that may have led them all the way to South Korea at the end? All he needed to do was change his vibration, according to Esther, who also said Jerry was the best person in the world at keeping his vibration in control." As outsiders we don't know if there were limitations to the Hicks' medical policy, if they had one for their treatment. I thought I read somewhere that they didn't have medical coverage, but Jerry would have been old enough to receive Medicare if he met the eligibilty requirements. If they didn't have coverage or had exhausted their coverage then other options may have been sought. Medical Tourism (conventional medicine) is one of those options found at numerous international facilities. Other options such as John of God (alternative treatments). Whether we like to believe it or not doctors often discourage some treatments based on age of patient, they consider it giving false up and of course we could go into the ways insurance companies and Medicare discourage further treatments. Right or wrong it happens. As for Jerry's vibration, we don't know what his thoughts were towards the end. Esther expressed her opinion of how she viewed Jerry's vibration. My view of Jerry was that he was a fighter and when one option didn't work he kept looking and fighting as long as he had it in him to do so. I don't view seeking other medical or healing options as a bad thing if one wasn't working. Having hope and the desire to keep fighting is a big part of the process. I realize that others might disagree and they have the right to their opinion. I can say that when people start criticizing others we should take an honest look at ourselves. It's very easy to point fingers and identify others' flaws. What about our own flaws? We all criticize, but maybe a better approach is to rise above it all and lead by example. Having a toxic attitude really doesn't solve anything. I hope the gentleman who posted a suicide threat on one of the earlier comment sections received help. That post was a sad thing to read.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Lovely to be able to have an opinion and just as grand to know that yours means nothing to me. Each person finds their own truth from within, and for most of us it comes from a place of unconditional love and non judgement. I have a beautiful friend who places it out there perfectly "Mind my own business and carry on look to MYSELF and have some fun and feel good now."If it makes you feel good to ride on the back of criticism and disrespect then that is what you should do, but have the decency to remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from someone else's. Have you walked in their shoes do you live in their minds? Only then can you make any constructive comments about Esther and Jerry Hicks and the Teachings of Abraham. I believe that Esther Hicks is so sincere that she would never stoop to having to defend herself and her beliefs to you or anyone else. She shares what she believes to be true and she does not hold a gun to anyones head. " Take what resonates with you and disregard the rest" that is what Abraham always maintains. We have met these people and they are the most honest and forthright and sincere people we have had the pleasure of meeting. May you too one day meet someone who can help influence your life and bring you clarity about choices.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Other than the obvious fact that you are utterly clueless about DNA, you as many Abers before you, consistently argue against statements that were never made. What you do have to say is so consistent with previous sock puppets sent over by AHP, I have to conclude that you probably never read any of the above and had all this written before you logged in.Tedious, but persistent.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Everyone dies, even very spiritually committed people. Its in the DNA. I can't imagine why anyone would be surprised by it. Further, cancer has been called, by some, the disease of the mystics and the bane of very spiritually minded people. Its the body's attempt at eternal life, but imperfectly expressed. I don't believe I ever heard either Esther or Jerry say they expected to live forever or that they perfectly applied and manifested everything channeled from Source. If anything, they joked about the times they fell short. Why is Jerry's death an opportunity to call them charlatans rather than to mourn and memorialize a man who worked to promote a better way of thinking and living?

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          brynimagire 5 years ago

          Fantastic .! Great lens !

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Kay, you're entitled to your opinion. The Dalai Lama seems like a nice guy with a more enlightened attitude than most gurus, but his opinions about life and how to live it are of little interest to me.Interesting thought, but I've never given much of a thought to how I want to be remembered. I guess I go along with Bob Dylan: "I don't have any regrets. They can talk about me all they want when I'm gone." About sums it up.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          A quote from His Holiness the Dalai Lama; AWARENESS To be aware of a single shortcoming within oneself is more useful than to be aware of a thousand in somebody else. Rather than speaking badly about people and in ways that will produce friction and unrest in their lives, we should practice a purer perception of them, and when we speak of others, speak of their good qualities- if you find yourself slandering anybody- first imagine that your mouth is filled with excrement- it will break you of the habit quickly enough." When I remember Jerry Hicks I think of a kind person whose work always made me feel empowered.....how do you want to be remembered? Hopefully not for this mean spirited and petty blog discrediting someone you don't even know...

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It surprises me how often Abe followers belabor the obvious, trying to score on a subject never raised.Of course, you choices in your 80's, although fewer, as you do at any age to enhance or end your life. By the time most of us get our bodies through 80 years, we've worn them out to a great extent. We still have choices, but there is one we don't have. We can't live forever. It should be obvious to even the most unthinking Abers that what science predicts is pretty much what happens, law of attraction or not.As for Jerry Hicks, he personally brought up the subject when he became ill, and everything he said before that (including a wish to live to be 120) as well as what he said at the time contradicts your excuses. He was feeling tired, yes, mostly from his as yet undiagnosed leukemia. Once he went public, he claimed to be following the "path of least resistance" with conventional medicine and was eager to put back 15 pounds he'd lost and get back to work. Are you so desperate to believe your A-H fantasy that you're going to retell his story in a way that suits you, not Jerry? How can you overrule him?You talk about having respect while you are so inconsiderate, you discard what the man himself said because it suits your needs.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Well, when you're in your 80's its your choice. Maybe, he had enough of it all, was just "tired," and wanted to go...... It is really nobody's business how they chose to deal with the cancer. After all, they are human with physical bodies. It can't be easy trying to please more and more people, dealing with contracts, etc. Have a little respect.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: You make the same comments and you get the same ones back my friend. I wouldn't call myself an Abe follower but I listen to what they say and a lot of it makes sense. I take what I want from it and leave what I don't, as anyone does with anything. Nothing is black and white. And I wasn't sent by ABH. And I did read where you wrote that Esther was basically doing everything jerry said and now that he had died that Abraham would die with him, I honestly don't want to spend the time finding it. You have devoted so much of your writing to them it seems impossible. (and if you challenge me on that again, it's fine really, it's not worth arguing over semantics. You've said basically the same thing over and over again in these articles, just in different words.) You criticize for canceling workshops after Jerry's death saying that Esther clearly can't do it alone, and then when they get rescheduled, you criticize saying that she's all about the money. Anything they say or do will be under scrutiny from you because you've made you're mind up already. And if you think you're doing the world a favor, you're not; Jerry and Esther will be remembered and revered long after they're gone and you're a forgotten, bitter man with a bitter blog who only made ripples on the coat tails of Abraham, and at the expense of Jerry's death. All great spiritual teachers were condemned by haters in their time; only to be revered, adored and quoted later... and where will your writings be?

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          Tolovaj Publishing House 5 years ago from Ljubljana

          I hope young people will read this, their minds are most vulnerable...

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          kathysart 5 years ago

          Oh PS.. Angel blessed.

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          kathysart 5 years ago

          I confess to not being able to accept channeling, it just feels weird to me, but who knows, I could be all wrong. I was a "Born Again" for 15 years which I feel is somewhat of a cult, just like A&H, or a lot of things that ask for full commitment. All things in moderation is my mantra now. There is life inside a flower and each leaf on every tree is unique. I pick leaves and put them in my pocket after reflecting on my own uniqueness and that comforts me. I create art and to me, because of the fact that everything I see feels creative, in those times when I create my life feels right. Past that I have no answers.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Little E, I don't know what question you are trying to answer, starting with "Nope," but it's obviously one not asked here. And you defenders of the A-H are getting tiresome with the same old, tired, evasive mantra. You should take a tip from Esther. She doesn't even try because she knows, as should you, that the course of action followed by Jerry when he was diagnosed with cancer was in direct contradiction to what she had been preaching for decades.The truth: she and Jerry both knew that following the course they'd long advised for followers would be hopeless. Doing the sensible thing, which most people not sold on Esther and Jerry's teachings would do, was the smart option.Now, for the last time (all future versions of this excuse making will not make the cut), no one ever said anyone would live forever, but Esther repeatedly claimed that we should not have to become ill or deteriorate. She also offered several quick cures in "the teachings of Abraham." So, why did Jerry deteriorate so radically and not even try the Abraham quick and easy cures? Anyone who wants to try answering the big question Esther pretends isn't there is welcome to give it a shot.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Nope, neither you nor Jerry were going to live forever. Our tired old bodies give out eventually. In the meantime, we can either choose to try to listen and learn to improve ourselves and our ability to help others or we can live as negatively as possible and take our chances.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Such an angry outburst with so many accusations is hard to sort through and answer, but I'll try. First, yes, I'm a writer. But since I don't have anything pent up to vent, I guess I can't agree with that. I write about what interests and/or inspires me. I'm a little older, but not angry about anything. And I consider the world to be overwhelmingly good. The majority, by far, of what I've written is about art. I used to write a lot about books, too, but those never caught on. I get a lot of hits on my travel lenses, which is neat because I love travel. My opinions on Abraham-Hicks account for less than 5%, which I've mentioned before, but they get a lot of interest. I don't see any harm in expressing an opinion contrary to what Esther and Jerry have marketed about themselves. Those of you who appreciate free speech only when it agrees with you may have trouble with that.Esther and Jerry Hicks have selectively made their private lives public many, many times, including the story they told about Jerry's illness. If they didn't separate their lives from the teachings, repeatedly using them as examples, why do you think I should?I don't think I have anything hidden in my life, although there's plenty I wish I'd never done or done better. We make mistakes inevitably along the way, learning mistakes we hope. Very likely too, others may have lesser opinions about me than I do, just like you. But life's not a popularity contest. It's about learning to listen and following your inspirations. I'm pretty good at that, always trying to be better.Gosh, I'm so shocked you unliked my pages and unfriended me. Why would you ever have done otherwise? As far as I can tell, I don't know you and never have. Since you mentioned Sierra, I guess I should say that I am a fan of hers, even if I don't always agree with her points of view. Sierra is smart, brave and energetic. She has enthusiasm to spare. But since I've known her from way back on the Abe Forum, I'd say she is a more complex personality than what you see on Facebook. She has an adventurous personal life and many people care for and admire her.Sierra from the AbeBabe phase on Abe Forum has been a law of attraction advocate. Of course, she quotes from Abraham. There are some really good thoughts out there. She probably doesn't agree that Abraham is a hoax, even if Esther and Jerry picked a good platform to create from. They have done a lot of good. Conversely, I hear from many sources that they've done a lot of harm and are, by no means, living the life they pitch to others through the workshops and books.So, I guess you'd have to admit that I have my "mind wrapped around this." And, sorry, writing "uplifting articles" is not on the menu. That criteria just doesn't ring any bells for me. I try to convey information honestly and directly about subjects that interest me and my readers. Esther and Jerry have always counted on vulnerable individuals who lacked the courage to uplift themselves and were willing to pay "enlightened teachers" to do it for them. They'd profit less and you'd be better fulfilled if you took the time to find the light inside yourself. Thanks for the opening.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You are entitled to your opinion David Stone and you are a writer, its appearently the only way for you to vent whats inside of you. I have read articles before from your hand on other subjects where you are the angry old man against your perceived 'badness' of this world. With the articles about Abraham and Esther and Jerry you fail to keep the private life of the Hicks's apart from what they bring to the world under the Abraham name. I bet if someone (if ever interested) would investigate your life, they would find some hidden things too. Who cares? The Abraham message is bringing joy and lightness to lots of people, that is what matters. I made sure I unliked your pages and unfriended you, cause I'm not interested anymore in reading such outings that make me feel heavy. Its strange that on facebook one of your likes is Sierra, she is one of the biggest Abraham fans ever and posts lots of quotes from that source. It seems you can't get your mind wrapped around this, can you? And you know what? You can't. The mind won't get this ever. And if you get that, maybe you are able to write more uplifting articles. Because this world nowadays surely need that, don't you agree?

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I'll give you guys credit. You never run out of new angles for trying to discredit the messengers about Esther and Jerry. This one, though, does have a unique loopiness. My "magic died long ago..." Really?Sorry it makes you sad. Try to cheer up, if you can.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: You're words are your personality Mr Stone and your words fully show the magic in you died long ago. Which is very sad.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Well, Lotus Reach, you've kept with the tradition. You insist the objective opinions that differ from yours must be hatred. Why else would anyone disagree?For one thing, they've consistently borrowed and stolen ideas others generated and claim them to be original. Maybe you're not aware that they tried to sneak in a trademark claim for "law of attraction," when they knew it had been coined in the New Thought Movement and in continuous for around seventy-five years. You say they "suggested new ideas about life and the Universe." Name one. More frequently, Esther exposes her lack of education (sorry, if you think there really is an Abraham) by misunderstanding the established string theory and claiming that humans were around during the time of the dinosaurs. Off by only a few billion years. I guess those were new ideas, but you'd have to be a member of wildly uneducated crowd Esther caters to find them valuable. I (and others such as yourself) have "no right" to criticize or, as you say "slash into pieces." What country are you in? We have free speech here in America and every right to express ourselves, even if it hurts your feelings or infuriates you. That's another thing.Clearly, you're angry because my comments and those of other skeptics, like Kyra and Cosmic Connie, touch a nerve. You're shaky in your beliefs and afraid that we we're saying is right on. You hate to lose your little hiding place of imaginary truth and superiority. I'm curious to know how you know that "both are far happier than" me. If you can corral an objective sense of the world, tell us how you got to that one. Do you know Esther, Jerry or me personally? Your opinion of what they have "added to the world" is fine, but like all the angry A-H advocates, you have no evidence at all. Just a statement that makes you feel secure. Try for facts. They won't hurt you.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You are doing all you can to damage and kill off the work of Abraham Hicks. And you are pouring a lot of venom. and hatred over Abraham Hicks. But the truth is Abraham Hicks, Esther and Jerry Hicks, have added a rainbow of brilliant colors and wonderful thoughts to this planet. They have suggested new ideas about life and the Universe that others such as yourself have no right to attempt to slash into pieces. Leave them alone. They are both far happier than you. What they have added to the world is great. Fun, beauty, hope, laughter, wisdom.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @anonymous: I'm sure she has! Gotta pay for that bus you know! Come on use your brain.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: So, anon, what exactly led you to the conclusion that this lens is about me? You haven't commented on anything else.Those of us who criticize Esther Hicks are used to those of you who think free speech and sharing opinions is a bad thing; so, your angry argument cuts no ice here. BTW, I tried to get Truth to lie before me naked, as you suggest, but she said no. Can't blame me for trying.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Dave Stone, I read your comments and look at your photograph and I do not feel any joy or any love coming forth from your being in any way. You seem intent on bad mouthing other human and spiritual beings and forcing your negative opinions down the throats of others.....which you are accusing Esther and Jerry Hicks of doing. Why don't you allow others to find or not find the Hicks, to like or dislike the Hicks, to believe or not to believe the Hicks.....why do you feel you have to 'guide others' with your thinking on this topic.....like you think others cannot judge for themselves what is the truth versus a lie? It seems to me that your own ego is in such full force that you would not know the truth if it were to lie before you naked......because your ego would not recognize it. Battle on.....but why don't you leave others out of your battle.....because it's all about YOU YOU YOU anyway......oh....and lighten up....you are so intense!

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @KatherineF: Kate, you had me there for a minute, but then, you went straight to the AHP spin, countering arguments never made and working to get Jerry and Esther off the hook with one we've seen many times before: "people can interpret it in any way they wish and take from it what the need or want."So, if Esther says something crazy and someone follows her guidance, it's their fault for not taking the right thing or interpreting it the wrong way. If they latch onto something good (which would be something Esther borrowed from a predecessor, like Seth or Wattles), then they picked right and it's all to Esther's credit. Interesting how you guys manage to pivot credit to Esther without her having to take credit for any of the truly bad results, the family breakups, the deaths that might have been avoided if people had gone the conventional route in treatment, instead of Esther's way, and let's not forget the suicides, from Andrew Wilcox to Ari with stops in-between.Yours is a much more clever package of content that Esther and her gang usually send over. Since Jerry got sick and couldn't be as involved, the sock puppets sent out to comment have been more along Esther's not so bright, but raggedly emotional line. Thanks. I'll be looking for more to come, and I hope you are being well-rewarded for all your efforts.BTW, the comment you left on another lens, using a different name, this morning was deleted for lack of appropriate content. Keep trying though. It's entertaining.

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          KatherineF 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: Hi Dave, Congratulations on providing a platform for discussion and testing of beliefs. I am a little familiar with Abraham's teachings, as I am with Buddhist principles of non-attachment and being present, the Christian tenet of faith, Islam's teaching of being conscious of one's actions and the common experience of "flow" that we encounter when we are fully focused and present. There are common aspects to spirituality and an understanding of psychology and well-being. I have found that when you take that which is true to your own experience, it helps to guide you towards a more fulfilling and successful life. I have not interpreted Abraham's teachings as a way to avoid the external factors of suffering (disease, misfortune, death), but rather as an internal compass to navigate a more positive and happy journey. The greatest lesson to me from Abraham's teachings is appreciation of myself, others and what I have. When I focus on that, I am happier, more constructive and open to the opportunities that life offers. I am then in a better position to attract what I need and desire, but (and this is the important subtlety) as soon as I forget to appreciate my present situation, I let ego get the better of me and I am less powerful to attract those things. As in the Bible, blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. I agree with Steve B, one's focus is what is important. Esther and Jerry Hicks are human beings on their own journey. They never claimed to be Abraham. They have provided a perspective, one which has helped many people to focus on what is right, rather than what is wrong, or what is wanted, rather than what is unwanted, what is helpful, rather than what is unhelpful. Like any dogma, including the Bible, people can interpret it in any way they wish and take from it what the need or want, literally or figuratively. Many thanks for your commentary and open forum. Kate

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          You're assuming, for the most part, that human beings are merely bodies. As Shakesperare put it, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosphy.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: When AHP sends you guys over to comment and try to obscure the record, you repeat many of the obvious mistakes we caught onto long ago. Anyway, you are probably too shallow and absorbed what you call Esther's "work" and I call her act, but you can only imagine how puzzled I am that you keep trying the same tactic to discourage people from writing about Esther. Every corporate thief in the world or fraud artist would love to see investigative journalists do "something more productive" than expose public frauds and cults. Jerry, while alive, spend hours upon hours searching all over the internet to find negative comments, and then, the sent sock puppets like yourself out to combat them. The tactic you are using is not new to AHP.And, of course, you will never find a single place where I wrote that Esther was a puppet. What I wrote was that, for all intents, Jerry was Abraham. But for the record, Abraham Hicks is dead, at least the deeper, kinder Abraham that Jerry kept in place. With Jerry weakened with illness, Esther extended her approval of animal abuse, radically changed her appearance and repeatedly abused audience members publicly. That, whatever your real name is, is not the Abraham that Jerry helped Esther create and publicized. It's a meaner, even less empathetic invention that will have less appeal in the long run.And, of course, Esther started whipping up workshop before Jerry was cold. She and her current cohort of Marc, Barbara and Karen are all about the money. And these channeling workshops and the scripted hot seaters are the cash cow that's been fattening them for years. BTW, who uses the serious illness of her "beloved husband" as a marketing tool? You can't be serious. A narcissist loves only what he or she sees in the reflection.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          The fact that you spend do much time and energy on this is puzzling to me. When you could be doing something more productive for yourself and for others. You say Abe is a sham and Esther was just a puppet with Jerry holding the strings and now that he is dead, Abraham will die to, but it's not true; Esther has held one seminar last week and has 9 scheduled for the early part of next year. It's nice to know that Esther is continuing her life's work despite losing her beloved husband and partner and despite your feeble cheap shots at her.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Steve, it's great when people with differing opinions express them lucidly and convincingly.Thanks for a great addition to the discussion.Just a note on the torrents, though. You should now that AHP has a concerted effort going to crush the torrents that the community shares. Contrary to what they said their beliefs were when Jerry was alive, they are committed to legal maneuvers now to protect their "intellectual property." Jerry was turning in that direction, too, by the way.And just as their was fraud in their attempts to control the term "law of attraction," which had been invented by others and in use for a century or more (a fact they were aware of and tried to pretend they weren't), Esther and her cohort now are nothing like the live and let live folks they claim to be.Let me add that none of this diminishes the power or truth in much of what they say, but it certainly diminishes them as people with integrity and proponents of spiritual well-being, neither of which they are.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Before I found the Abe-Hicks channel on YouTube, I had a longtime confusion about emotions and thoughts, what they were, how they were different, etc. I had a sense that there was something about emotions that might be useful to me if I knew what that was. I also had longtime questions about what the hell people were talking about when they talked about "vibrations" and "energy". There were lots of esoteric questions I had about all matter of "meta" subjects. More recently, I'd had a desire to have a teacher that could answer my questions at my own pace and in a way I could understand. When I stumbled upon their videos, I felt like there was something of value for me. I bought their book "The Astonishing Power of Emotion" and resonated deeply with their message. Emotion follows thought. Never heard that before. Completely verifiable by self-test. Positive emotion is felt when I am focussed in a way that agrees with what I've established as good for me as a result of life experience. Negative emotion is experienced when I contradict it, and sets up a resistance pattern that makes it harder to get what I'm wanting. Completely novel, simple and verifiable by self-testing. Unfailingly true as I check out what others are feeling good or bad about and observe what they are getting or not getting. They are describing a possibly universal effect and no psych class I ever took could put it so succinctly? Am I more productive, efficient, and healthy when I'm feeling upbeat and enthusiastic than when I am cranky, mean, or depressed? Check. I think the clincher for me was their pointing to my own Inner Being translated through emotion, as the fail-safe test for things that are useful to focus upon. I have had no other teacher tell me how to rely so fully upon myself rather than their authority. This is not the language of cults. I have not abandoned anyone nor been kidnapped into into a cult community. Since buying a couple of their books, I have found hundreds of hours of workshops shared by the torrent community, and the Hicks have a non-pursuit policy regarding this. I think they have found the