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When Esther Hicks Turns Mean

Updated on August 23, 2017

An Angry Esther Hicks Slaps Paying Customers

Would an all-knowing, all-loving Source, acting through Esther Hicks, abuse audience members at an Abraham-Hicks workshop, kicking them out without allowing them to finish a sentence?

That's what happened. Each paid at least $195 to be in the audience to watch Esther channel Abraham, an aggregation of about 100 "nonphysical teachers" that she claims deposit blocks of thought in her mind.

Sitting allegedly in trance, she shouted at them to get out. Since, her grip on followers has loosened, her audiences shrinking.

Decline accelerated with her poor public handling of Jerry Hicks' illness and death from leukemia.

Recent promotional blurbs to followers are so lifeless, it's as if failure has already set in. A transcript of a recent email blast, in full:

Dear Friends,

We'll be in San Francisco (Millbrae), CA this coming Saturday for the continuation of our expanding conversation with friends and Abraham.

With love and thanks,

Esther

(and Abraham and Jerry)

(Note: Esther Hicks now claims to channel, not just Abraham, but also her dead husband who most often chimes in with quips.)

New: Jerry and Esther Hicks Spiritual Money Tree

The remainder of the message was boilerplate contact information for attending the workshop online or in person. Recent email blasts have become even more lifeless.

David Stone

Find all my books on my Amazon Author Page

Esther Hicks or Abraham

On Stage
On Stage | Source

Rehabilitated by Hay House and Wayne Dyer

But, with the help of Hay House, worried about a drop in book sales, Esther has shaped up communications recently, and her publisher has even arranged to get her a Wayne Dyer blessing at an event.

Jerry Hicks, the master marketer who took Abraham-Hicks to some fame, never allowed Esther to share the stage with anyone, but with the business in trouble, things are different.

Dyer, an otherwise admirable guy, keeps showing up as a shill for any crackpot Hay House throws his way, including Gary Renard, now disappeared, who claimed that Jesus's disciples were appearing at his house when he took naps and Bruce Lipton, accused of being a quack for spinning biology into New Age magical cures.

What first made her aggressively bad behavior even weirder was that she'd always claimed, acting out as Abraham, that she knew every question audience members would ask before singling them out, meaning she picked these unlucky victims out, knowing she would attack and humiliate them in public.

A warm, sometimes witty image was nurtured faithfully and lucratively by Jerry and Esther Hicks for twenty-five years. Now, followers on the Abe Forum were debating her new "tough love" approach.

Antagonistic behavior, so uncharacteristic of this normally gentle channel with a knack for wry humor, proved that the entity called "Abraham Hicks" had more to do with the performers who presented them than with the supposed "nonphysical teachers" Esther claims were controlling her.

What caused the Esther Hicks' act to implode?

Maybe it was worry about having to explain statements about illness like this one, made publicly before Jerry began wasting away with leukemia:

"But it does take the determination that you're going to put your thoughts upon something that does feel good. And so, here we're going to make a very bold statement: any disease could be healed in a matter of days, any disease, if distraction from it could occur and a different vibration dominate - and the healing time is about how much mix-up there is in all of that."

Esther made this fantastic claim in 2002, before her elderly soul mate, Jerry Hicks, was diagnosed with cancer and, instead of following the crazy "Teachings of Abraham" that made them rich, eagerly sought conventional medical therapies.

Jerry Hicks died, but even before that, Esther Hicks tried winging the workshops solo. The results were less polished, sometimes mean and routinely not as bright as they were under Jerry's control.

(See Jerry Hicks Illness and Death)

Esther Hicks and her handlers seem worried about keeping the scam alive in this new context, especially with Jerry, the real wizard behind Abraham Hicks, no longer around.

So far, she has done her best to make followers think she can, in part, resurrect him. But workshop crowds are dwindling and her promotional emails deflated and dull.


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The Esther Hicks' Scam Crumbling

The Context

Whatever the beliefs of Jerry and Esther Hicks' followers, it's not likely many can be convinced that eternal, "nonphysical" entities with direct connections to God, or "Source" in Abraham Hicks lingo or eternal wisdom as they claim, would publcly humiliate workshop attendees coming forward for help.

For as long as Esther Hicks has been trotted out, barefoot, to do Abraham, accepting her claims has depended crucially on her gentle personality and playful sense of humor.

When she abruptly turned miserable, mistreating members of her paying audience, critics and skeptics increased and grew louder.

Many, especially former trusting followers who'd been turned off, demanded to know how the laws of attraction brought her or the victims of her bad temper together.

At workshops that cost $195 a head and up, audience members watched in various states of distress or indifference as questioners in the hot seat were kicked out after uttering as little as a few words or a couple of sentences that provoked Esther (posing as Abraham.)

Never mind that she personally called each of them to the stage before humiliating them and has always claimed to understand what they'd ask before they spoke.

True believers online are referring to this as "tough love" and and enjoying it like catty sorority sisters. But the people stepping forward for guidance were not drug addicts or gang members.

They were individuals in trouble seeking spiritual guidance.

It's easy to see how bullying has led skeptics to claim that what Esther Hicks does is undeniably an act. A God-connected source wouldn't do that.

As the Esther Hicks performance took unexpected turns, the reason behind her erratic behavior may have been exposed when it was revealed that her husband, Jerry Hicks, head of Abraham Hicks Publications, was being treated for cancer.

So embarrassing was his illness that they tried to mislead followers into thinking he was receiving "heavy chemotherapy" for (I'm not kidding) "a spider bite."

His illness and immediate resort to conventional medicine is impossible to square with early claims that Abraham could cure anyone of any disease in an afternoon and other fantastic statements that probably now had Esther Hicks feeling like the one on the hot seat.

Esther Hicks' New Meanness

Compassion Vacuum

As Abraham-Hicks 2.0 was born and went through growing pains, Esther Hicks intermittent bursts of intolerance toward paying audience members took a different and more chilling turn.

Always a narcissist, her inclination toward bending every monetary gravity field in her direction became more exploitive, especially cruelly in her husband's case, and then, not being the sharpest tool in the shed, she started trying to seize control by overreaching.

Her initial bouts of public meanness began when concerns about Jerry Hicks health became serious. Although the pair claimed that what they took to be a spider bite in the spring of 2011 led to Jerry's diagnosis of cancer, his admission that he'd already lost at least fifteen pounds from his smallish, trim frame made it clear that he'd been ill much longer.

What seemed most cold and calculating was Esther and Jerry Hicks' strange refusal to acknowledge that he was being treated for leukemia, even though he openly bragged that he was undergoing "massive chemotherapy" with none of the side effects normally associated with treatment.

Abraham-Hicks apologists argue that the information was private, but it was Esther and Jerry, or subordinates posing as them, that wrote email blasts about his illness. It was just their weird refusal to acknowledge that he was battling cancer that puzzled the rest of us.

Then, their evasion, their unwillingness to come clean began to seem like something else.

While they were eager, even exuberant, about using Jerry Hicks' illness for marketing, they refused to answer the obvious questions about why treatments described in the "teachings of Abraham," which had made them rich when pitched to others, weren't helping him and, very likely, not even attempted.

After traditional medicine failed and Esther escorted Jerry from one alternative therapy to another, the hypocrisy of their approach was not something to wrestle with.

The marketing of his illness, cold and unethical as it may have seemed, was even more astonishing in light of their unwillingness to explain the contradictions.

In Esther's name, email blasts posing as updates on Jerry Hicks' illness ended with a marketing pitch every time. Something I was told as a young man was, to get as what anyone's letter to you was really about, go the last paragraph. Everything else was prologue. This turned out to be true.

An emailed letter to her fans announced that Jerry was watching their live webcasts from home - and you should join him, adding links for buying a subscription.

In probably the meanest act of marketing ever developed, just weeks before his death, Esther Hicks and company took Jerry out to pose on a fun-filled family outing, a balloon ride in which he was stuck back in a corner, apparently unable to stand, waving weakly at the camera while Esther posed front and center, not even next to her critically ill husband.

And, yes, you probably guessed. They spun it. The balloon ride was crowded, the note explained, but Esther's next workshop would not be. This was followed by links for signing up.

Astonishing though this was (Even skeptics were startled.), another event that happened earlier came to light, and that had to do with the death of a member of the Abraham-Hicks forum by suicide and the speedy scramble to erase as much evidence as possible from the site.

For more information on this, see: Did Abraham Hicks Kill Ari?


Some Quick Background on Esther Hicks, Abraham & The Hot Seat

The hot seat, as it has been called, is an integral part of every Abraham-Hicks Workshop and instrumental in sustaining a convincing scam.

After an initial guru-like review of something involving the basic teachings launches a session, Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, quickly selects a number of audience members to, one by one, step up near the stage where she is standing barefoot and initiate a discussion.

She has previously explained that "they," meaning Abraham, know the thoughts of everyone in the room and have selected the most appropriate questioners to benefit the entire group.

Hot seat conversations with Esther/Abraham have been everything from playful to mildly contentious to emotionally engaging. Esther has guided many hot seaters into what is called "a better feeling place."

A number of people, for some reason a large majority of which are women, regularly participate and go on cruises to popular locations like Alaska and the Caribbean.

They attend workshop after workshop, as the teachings of Abraham have evolved from the simplest law of attraction presentations to such exotic conceptions as a vibrational escrow (where the things you've asked for are just waiting for you to be ready for them) to the current "vortex," which is a revised version of vibrational escrow in which the goodies aren't released to you but where you must go to get them.

I'll spare you any additional details on these concepts that keep the Abraham Hicks Scam afloat, but followers have learned to accept them and to continue ponying up for tickets to hear all about the new ideas.

An unfortunate loss in the shuffle and redirection, in my opinion, was an empathy-inspired part of their teachings, known as allowing or "the art of allowing," a key component in what Esther Hicks explains, interpreting Abraham, as the mechanics of the law of attraction.

As recently as 2005, Esther Hicks's Abraham said this: When we say to you, make peace with where you are, we want you to make peace with where everyone is; we want you to make peace with the world events; we want you to make peace with where your friend is in relationship with where your friend wants to be. We want it to be all right with you where anybody is.

Allowing was when you got in the right emotional place to let your own desired objects flow to you, known as alignment with your desires.

A significant factor in allowing, that now seems to be set aside, is allowing others to manifest whatever it is that they want. Tolerance and non-judgment were gentle aspects of a live and let live doctrine that recognized individuals and their different approaches to issues.

That tolerance is now gone or, at a minimum, been reduced in some instance to a public, mocking intolerance, and for the first time, the Abraham Hicks Scam is in danger of collapsing.

Is Esther Hicks on the Right Track or Not?

Is Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, providing a useful public service to her followers?

The New and Mean Esther Hicks Scam

"Get out! I'm not kidding!"

No speculating on Esther's new personality traits here, but I hope some readers will volunteer their own conclusions.

Esther Hicks, who had always made some of Abraham's odder, confusing or simply contradictory statements palatable with her sweetness and humor, has recently adopted an aggressively nasty approach as a tactic.

While most became really aware of it in a recent contentious session in San Francisco, she's made trial runs at it as long as a year and a half ago.

While the old Esther would once in a while exclaim, "We're done with you!" or "Get out!" to people in the hot seat, it was playful.

The audiences laughed because the attitude was so unlike Esther, they knew she was joking. Not anymore.

She is really kicking them out now, and it seems to be only the most vulnerable who get an unexpected public rejection. Here's an example on a forum thread.

When reading examples from the Abraham-Hicks Forum, as in the link above and others to follow, remember that this forum is designed to fit the marketing messages of Abraham-Hicks.

Only true believers are allowed, and controversial or contrary voices have been quickly deleted by moderators since the forum's founding.

Even so, some express genuine concern before being corrected by others who are almost rapturous about watching the "booting" of people from the hot seat.

Examples of people who paid to be there and were individually selected by Esther before being kicked out after as little as few words are a woman troubled by a divorce, another with a question about dying and a man who was ejected finally after pleading to have the question he was called up to ask heard.

Esther Hicks's point of view is that talking about problems enhances them, an argument made decades ago as an objection to talk therapy in psychoanalysis.

At this point however, this seems to include even the smallest sorting out to clarify mentally, something she once gently helped hot seat questioners to do.

She orders them now to forget about history, a convenient gimmick, of course, for a speaker with a highly questionable one full of contradictions and allegations of fraud and exploitation.

Interestingly, where she once (posing as Abraham, as I feel compelled to remind believers and non-believers alike) told her audiences that they were "on the leading edge of thought," she now tells them to stop thinking and to "feel your way into the Vortex."

She even excoriates and kicks out questioners who say they've come to an "intellectual" understanding of the teachings. Doubters will certainly have conclusions about why she prefers followers who have no interest in critical thinking or objective analysis.

But what about Esther Hicks's followers? If you read the threads, you'll see that many of these folks, again at least 80% women, not only spend many hours on the forum reinforcing each others' convictions, they also subscribe to seminar DVDs and CDs as well as attending many workshops in person as well as cruises, all of which are rather pricey.

Don't they have "problems" too?

Apparently not. The tone of the forums is one of self-congratulation on their special status and mutual petting.

That's all fine. Who cares if girlfriends help build each others' self-esteem? However, when it comes to a discussion of the "booting" of people from the hot seat for the slightest infraction, little sympathy or empathy exists.

The forum members come off as having a conviction that the people who had the nerve to bring their troubles to the stage for discussion deserved to be kicked out because they were "OOV," or out of Vortex in the vernacular of the true believers.

They come off like a group of snotty sorority sisters who assert their tenuous self-assurance and narcissism by reminding themselves that the poor losers deserved a public rejection because they'd showed themselves as unable to rise about their problems as they themselves had.

This all is consistent with Esther and Jerry Hicks longstanding policy of rejecting charities and of blaming the victim.

In an interview I read recently, they even unhesitatingly blamed Jewish culture for the Holocaust and argued that babies were responsible, as a result of their thinking, for their being abused by adults.

In the world of Abraham-Hicks, it doesn't take two to tango. In fact, we always tango alone, no matter what we think.

Isn't liberating to recognize no responsibility toward our community, nation or even the world community?

If you're not thriving or remain stuck with your problems, the Esther Hicks answer is simple: You're not letting it in. Who's fault is that? Certainly not that of Esther Hicks, Abraham or their congregation of self-satisfied followers.

Nothing here proves an Esther Hicks scam, but much does make it seem more easily understood.

© 2011 David Stone

What about Esther Hicks' "tough love" approach? - Is it effective or a hole in the scam?

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      James Clinton 5 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      yes. bull radar

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      David Stone 5 weeks ago from New York City

      A bullradar?

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      James Clinton 5 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      maybe. that’s why i never bought into the BS that religion and the spiritual ‘teachers’ put out. I’m not searching outside of myself. Plus. I have confidence in myself. I also have a bullshit meter that goes off quickly LOL!

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      David Stone 6 weeks ago from New York City

      I haven't listened to much new in years, but like most cults, they go for people searching for something to believe in but lacking confidence in themselves. Good luck!

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      James Clinton 6 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      i’ve tried with logic. as a friend of mine recently said. you can’t make sense out of nonsense. I’ve come to realize that all of Abraham’s ‘teachings’. are pure circular reasoning. My spouse listens to Abraham 24/7. He’s become his own abraham cult. i will look for your books on amazon and download them for kindle.

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      David Stone 6 weeks ago from New York City

      I wrote this quite a while back, and I believe it's gotten worse since, a tired old haul. If you want some ammo to work with, I have a pair of recent books on Amazon, hard copy as well as kindle: "Esther and Jerry Hicks Spiritual Money Tree" and "Tangled Up in Abraham Hicks." I was in hard and got out because the story just couldn't hold up. Maybe you can shake up your wife's thinking. Good luck, and I hope you are able to get your marriage back together.

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      James Clinton 6 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      che,

      interesting account. while i have yet to go to a workshop. never intend to. i am so bored when my spouse listens to the workshop recordings 24/7. it has actually ruined our 5yr marriage/18yr relationship.

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      Che Ho 3 months ago

      yes I have been following the Abraham teachings which are much like Seth for many years now. I finally went to one of the conventions in Long Beach in August. This cost $250 at the door so I don't know where a hundred $95 is coming. I was so bored and so tired of hearing the same old crap recycled and calling it expanded. One poor sweet man came up asking about a relationship and was literally beaten down to tears as Abraham made fun of this horrible relationship. I left early and have stopped following them. It was pretty bad.

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      David Stone 9 months ago from New York City

      Exactly. What we were saying, even before Jerry died, was that Abraham had left the room. I don't know. I haven't heard or read any of the recent stuff because whatever was of any core value was out there 15 to 20 years ago. What was there new to add?

      Good luck with the seminar. I wouldn't go myself. Instead, I just let it ride. It's a battle you can't win.

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      James Clinton 9 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Dave,

      Like in this blog posting about Esther getting more and more abusive, her latest seminars are showing the continued abuse. I'm going to a seminar in April with my husband purely (now) to get her to either expose her or to let her get abusive towards me and let all to see her abusive behavior. An allegedly loving spiritual guide should not be abusive.

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      David Stone 11 months ago from New York City

      I haven't heard or watched any of the recent stuff, so what I get from your post is that the wheels may have come off, some time ago, but the show went on. I can tell you, after listening to older material recently, that it was a one time clear, powerful, kind, gentle, sometimes funny and charismatic. I retained podcasts from their days on Hay House radio, and they are still pretty impressive. They may be impossible to find, these days.

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      Morgan1967 11 months ago

      I discovered Abraham this past summer and listened to hours of audio. At first, I totally embraced the teaching....but there was something about the vibe of Abraham that rubbed me the wrong way. The info about LOA was great but repetitive and every situation was met with the same answer each and every time. What I found lacking in the teaching was the depth, love, and ego-less energy that great spiritual teachers impart effortlessly. I didn't feel any loving vibes from Abraham...and I found that uncomfortable and puzzling. I do believe in channeling and I have met two gifted channelers in my life. They were amazing but even they admitted how difficult it was to remain a "clear channel" to the higher vibration energy coming through. They knew if they had any emotional challenges, even small annoying ones, it would impact the ability to be a clear channel...and this concerned them and so they only asked for love donations for their session. Sure enough, their info was often skewed and inconsistent. I see no reason why this challenge wouldn't impact Esther as well, if she is in fact able to channel at all. Two events caused me to walk away from the teachings of Abraham. First, I was listening to her explain to a guy on the hot seat why he was involved in a car accident with his friend, even though he was "in the vortex" He couldn't understand how he got involved in such an awful experience if he was feeling so good about everything. Abraham cleverly hinted that it wasn't about him but that his friend was not in the vortex. The audience applauded! What?! That's when they lost me. So, we are now at the mercy of those around us who aren't in the vortex? Hmm..that's when I walked away. It just made no sense to me any longer and the trust for me was gone.

      The second and most significant event was when, a few days later, I rediscovered Eckhart Tolle's book "A New Earth" and re-read it. It totally clicked for me at a level it hadn't before and I realized how much Abraham's teachings paled in comparison to Mr. Tolle's message. His message was pure, simple, and uncomplicated. This was a totally ego-less, pure messenger of spirit like no other. No ego. No drama. No channeling. And no shtick. What it comes down to for me is Abraham is good for basic LOA teaching on a level of material things and simple life situations, like manifesting a mate or a good job. Anything beyond this, like deep spiritual growth and awareness, is NOT going to be found through Abraham. Look elsewhere.

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      David Stone 11 months ago from New York City

      Not that I'm aware of. I doubt they'd ever post that on YouTube. I read about it in a discussion on the Abe Forum when it was still current.

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      Kara Schmidt 11 months ago

      Is there a video showing Esther Hicks tossing paying followers out of her workshop?

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      David Stone 12 months ago from New York City

      Sorry to disappoint you, but I've read almost all of their original books and have listened to dozens of the podcasts they used to post on Hay House radio. I've still got them. But you may be right about understanding. It's a personal thing. Some get it; some don't. Some get it, then don't get it anymore. I do feel it's good to challenge your own thinking sometimes, rather than be complacent in a comfortable rut. An objective perspective is a tool to keep on hand. Without it, you may go blind.

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      Thea 12 months ago

      Ermagerd ... you have either never read or heard Abraham, or you just haven't understood theirteachings.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @sirjack: sirjack, it's always a little amusing when blowhards tried to establish their creds by dropping $10 words like posit in their flakey arguments. And as for the case it applies to, you'll have to credit Esther Hicks, although you make it hard by joining God with Abraham and something peculiar about earthquakes in your meandering, nonsensical argument.Esther, doing her Abraham schtick, says that Source, Abe-speak for God, is "pure, positive energy." I assume she means it, and that doesn't include tsunamis or anything else unwanted because, "no exceptions," our experiences are tied to our voluntary "vibrations." A smart guy like you should see that this is flimflam, and yet you don't. I wonder why.Your suggestion that, "Perhaps your version of love equaling being nice is inaccurate," just hangs out there without legs. So, what?Finally, you suspect I have an "axe to grind," but then cheerfully pass that allegation off and my "business." Just as quickly, you pivot and make it your business with a leading question about why I'm not doing a "million other things which could enrich your life." Although you try to cool your way out of it with a nifty "Just saying ;-)," I wonder who appointed you the judge about what might enrich anyone's life but your own. Maybe you can explain why you believe a writer would be better off ignoring the troubling underside of things and devoting his or her energies to something nice, like dolphins or flower-arranging. You obviously want people to believe you're a deep thinker. Let's see what you've got.

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      sirjack 3 years ago

      First, you are positing Abraham as an all-loving Entity. That is a mistake. Even if you assume that "God" is all-loving, you still have to account for the fact that Earthquakes and Tsunamis kill millions. Perhaps your version of love equaling being nice is inaccurate. Second, it seems like you have an axe to grind. Not sure why, but that is your business. Why would you waste your time on someone you see as a fraud rather than doing a million other things which could enrich your life. Just saying ;-) -with love, Jack

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @swimsportusa: Esther avoids this by repurposing what others have done, switching the wording and dumbing things down for her spiritually lazy audience. I suppose, if it ever came to that, she could try to claim something like channeling as a defense, but when you take something that's been in the public domain for decades and claim it as your own, who's to stop you? It's true that they were denied a trademark for "law of attraction," because their claim that they invented the term was a lie, but if their followers don't mind being deluded in pursuit of a cultish belief system, they can claim otherwise forever. On the other hand, their following has diminished greatly in recent years, leaving only a cross-section of groupies, mostly middle age and older women looking for some magic in their lives.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @swimsportusa: There really is a lot of merit in what Esther to say. She and Jerry culled it from a lot of impressive people from earlier decades. However, unlike with Seth or Theo, as examples, there's a darker downside, where what she calls "teachings" are exploited for profit. She and Jerry started out with some excitement about helping others, but when the money started rolling in, it was about helping themselves to other people's money. The stayed way out of bounds to sensationalize and oversimplify the truths they were lucky to have discovered.

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      swimsportusa 3 years ago

      After reading more comments regarding claims of plagiarism from other materials such as Seth, Norman Vincent Peele, etc., I wonder could it be they feel "channeling" information lets them off the hook? You could sue the Hicks, but you can't sue Abraham! The claims they make are not Esther and Jerry's and not material they are plagiarizing, it is merely an "entity" speaking through her. If so, that is pretty clever. I actually think the channeling makes them less universally appealing, and therefore limits their success, so perhaps that is the reason for it.

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      swimsportusa 3 years ago

      Just a few comments. I am actually relieved you provided evidence where Esther claiming to be channeling Abraham is really just Esther, as in her moodiness. After months of listening to her, I watched Seth videos on youtube, and it was very freakish and disturbing and I decided I want no part of this. Oh and also, I never know who Abraham was or what she was talking about at first. I thought she was just a regular self help speaker, she seems to give good advice. I believe there is merit to the LOA, however they are extremists and act like it is the supreme if not only law of the universe. Many laws of the universe influence reality and this is where her message is flawed. And like you say, it takes two to tango.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @buttress: Where do they get you guys from, anyway? You plunge in, repeating the same tired excuses, as if they've never been used before, and it repeats the same things so predictably, it seems rehearsed. Do you even know what hyperbolic means? Its ridiculous in the way you use it here.If you haven't seen or heard an example of abuse, as claimed, then you haven't read the article you're commenting on. If you want to make a case that it wasn't so bad or was somehow justified, that's fine, but that's different. And what do women and minorities sharing their life experiences have to do with it? In reality, Esther Hicks personal stories are among the best of what she presents. They are often humorous or gentle. Where she goes off the track is in another place. Its when she claims to be a direct channel for spiritual messengers from God that seem both insensitive and not very bright that she causes damage by misleading gullible, self-centered individuals into justifying their anti-social points of view.Your claim is that the words are uplifting, and that alone justifies anything Esther Hicks preaches. To use an extreme, but viable example, Hitler was uplifting for millions of people. The argument is ridiculous. The content of what someone says matters, whether its encouraging personal enlightenment or racial hatred. The fact that it inspires or uplifts is trivial. What effect does it have over all? Does it help or harm the community we belong to, no matter how selfish or unselfish we are individually? Is it generous to everyone or just a few clannish people who are looking to escape real life?Finally, I don't agree that Esther inspires very much. What she does is offer a cozy set of rationalizations and excuses that followers repeat among themselves, mantra-like, as if the statements are truths, but where the real goal is justify selfishness and withdrawal.

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      buttress 4 years ago

      Why is it that women and minorities who try to share their life experiences with the world are condemned. The "abuse" claimed here is hyperbolic. I've yet to really see or hear an example of it. My question to anyone is has she helped you in any way? to be more positive? given you more faith? given you a reason to make yourself feel good?She preaches nothing but Positivity, and even if she was a quack (which I don't believe), who cares? b/c whoever is speaking through her, Abe or Jerry, Jesus or Yoda) the words are uplifiting. We spend too much time worrying about the messenger instead of the message.

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      tahirmahmood 4 years ago

      What a story!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @happy-birthday: Thank you, mrjones123. It was time to talk some truth. I lost some friends doing this, but I have not regrets. I think some people were helped.

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      Birthday Wishes 4 years ago from Here

      What a story! I don't know what to answer... Thanks you for sharing this great lens!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: I'm going to approve this comment because there is interesting information here that anyone considering this topic can gain from considering, although the comment is too long and not really on topic.I don't believe the case is well-made here, in spite of the passions. Linking your credibility to Esther and Abraham is not a big help to you as you've undermined a bit of their credibility in your own statements.I'm not convinced, but others might be. So, you get your chance to stand on the pedestal for a while.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, this isnt going to be short, but since it cuts to the heart of all of this, here goes. (-: Lets start from a One World perspective i.e. as if theres one version of the world we are share.When you understand it, channeling is as normal and natural as having breakfast. Everybody can. We all have as you say inner voices and inner guidance. All that's different about channeling, is to accept that there may be another consciousness involved and allow yourself to engage. Then it just happens. Of course, in this version of the world, that sort of accepting and allowing aint necessarily easy. Everybody I know who has started to channel always goes through a period of But is this just me? and Am I making this up? before accepting what's really going on.Having declared I would never channel, I sort of slid into it. It began after a long and earnest on-line chat session with a friend when at the end I typed And there is great love here for you and found tears pouring done my face. Those were not my words. Were my hands taken over? No. It just seemed like the right thing to type. It was accompanied by what felt like an internal presence of what, at the time, I called Abraham. The best way I can describe it is as a merging of consciousness. Esthers descriptions of her early experiences are entirely consistent with that.What channeling is, is unique to the channeler. For many its like throwing a switch and moving into collaboration mode. Often for me its more fluid. I get what I call an attack of the I-Wes. Ill be engaged in a conversation and sometimes it suddenly feels more appropriate to say we rather than I. (And WE of course are engaged in this discussion, but this one is sitting on us because he does not want to wrap himself in what may seem like an inappropriate cloak of superiority. But we are here).Right after Nina Ferrell and I started the LOA Club in 2008, two things astounded me (a) the number of different and highly detailed (and often contradictory) stories being told by different channelers, all of whom seemed genuine and sincere, and (b) the number of people who came to us saying I think Im starting to channel.Regarding (a), Nina was channeling Terah (renamed from Abraham to avoid conflict with A-H) and I asked what the hell was going on here. Their reply, logical of course when you think of it, was that each persons experience will match their point of attraction (their chosen belief systems), and that includes their non-physical as well as their physical experience.I have a former IBM colleague, Richard Presser, who channels Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Alexander the Great, Amelia Earhart and many more. He believes there is a Father God who lives behind the sun, and he proposed that 2012 was going to be the year of ascension. He is genuine in his beliefs. Its not what I (or Im guessing, you) would choose to believe, but his world will line up with those beliefs. All of our individual worlds do. In the club, our particular mission has become to understand the fundamentals or as we call them, the Absolutes those things that sit beneath, and are independent of, detailed belief systems and stories. Estherham, by the way, have always pretty much done that also.Regarding (b), many wanting to channel, this was a dilemma. Do we support them in their quest, in which case are we making ourselves obsolete? Encouraged by Terah we supported them, and that's one of our major programs now. Incidentally, everybody so far that has gone through that program has succeeded in channeling.Undoubtedly, Jerry and Esther had the same dilemma. Their response was different. They made a business decision which from then on to some extent put Esther on a pedestal. I remember in earlier days having brunch with them, and I questioned the somewhat jarring legalese at the start of each audio recording. Jerrys response was - Look at Deepak Chopra. He didn't do that and now he has himself in a mess of legal battles. Now anyone that understands the LOA knows Deepak can only be in a legal mess if that's where hes vibrating.So yes Dave, much of Jerrys business-first and sometimes very un-LOA behavior of course is exactly as you describe it. When they started out, Jerry would be at the door with his card table and credit card machine, and theres no doubt he was envisaging (attracting) a successful business even back then. At the start of the LOA Club, we reached out to them and were savagely rejected and threatened with legal action. Obviously we were a potential business threat. So theres no compulsion on my part to protect my guru. There is simply a desire to call it as it is, and acknowledge the huge part they played in my own journey of discovery. Theres no doubt in my mind that Esther is channeling, and doing it, by and large, very well.You teach. I teach. We all, at times, teach something. In this day of the Internet, you could say that all information is free. Never-the-less, some make it their profession to teach and they get paid to do it. Some become famous and make a lot of money doing it on a grand scale. No big deal in that its the American way. Some choose to do it quietly and for free. That's a choice. But making money at it does not make you a charlatan. And doing it for free does not make you more honorable. One of these days, my intent is to make some money from The LOA Club. That would be fun.Dave, most of that above is from a One World perspective. Your World and My World intersect somewhat, and this gives us each the illusion that we can talk logically about it as One World and these are all the things that are happening in it. But when you get down to it, the world you experience is uniquely yours. It will conform to your beliefs. Some things we have nailed down quite precisely each day will be exactly 24 hours. Some things you know will happen within a range, but you are setting the boundaries for all of that. Ultimately, Esther will be what you create her to be. You will always inhabit that version of the world wherein she conforms to your expectations. You are looking at a mirror.And .. there is much love here for you (and a few tears also).Me .. and them.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: Robin, I sympathize. I know you really want Esther to be a reliable channel. I did too, once, but she showed me something else.If you are intimately familiar with their story, then you know very well that she described having, first, her voice, then her hands taken over by an external force she came recognize as Abraham. The story has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.Let's just cover the hands. She says that she and Jerry were relaxing in bed when, all of a sudden, her hand started thumping her chest. I can quote you exactly what she says she told Jerry: "That's not me." Next, she felt compelled to go to the typewriter where her hands started tapping out letters with such force that Jerry was afraid she'd be injured. Optimist that you are, there is no way that was anything but her claim of being a takeover. Now, you say it never is. Was she lying, or are you wrong?The voice takeover was even more complete. Abraham just grabbed her vocal chords and started speaking through her on the highway. I didn't make this up. It's on the record. Again, was she lying, or are you you wrong?Because I believe your motivation is sincere and honest, you know what I think. But there are only two ways out of that dilemma.If you describe channelling as special messaging through one person who is a conduit of some kind, then I don't believe anyone does it. We all have inner voices and inner guidance. Only a select few claim to be special enough to charge the gullible for the privilege of sharing what they could already get for free.Do I think it's plagiarism? Maybe. First, they tried to tell everyone that "Abraham" brought them the special law of attraction. They even tried to make a trademark claim. They were turned down because the term had been in continuous use since the 1920s and the New Thought Movement as well as several of terms they "borrowed." Was it coincidence or plagiarism?Before going to see Sheila Gillette, whose Theo presentation was remarkably like Esther's Abraham, they wer reading Jane Roberts' Seth books. Yet, when Esther tells the story, she says she was nervous over Gillette's advice that they start meditating. She that was far out stuff. Now, keep in mind, she and Jerry had already been reading the Seth material. Seth talks about meditating all over the place. So, was she lying about reading Seth or about not knowing about meditation? This is significant because, as she tells it, this is where she first opened the door to Abraham. She suggests that Abraham picked her because she had no strong opinions about anything and was open to suggestion. Esther was raised by Mormons. Mormons do not raise people without strong convictions. It just doesn't work that way. Mormons are about as passionate about their faith and as clannish as any group ever.You think she does a "bloody good job." Fair enough. You have a right to that conclusion, but you don't have a right to back it up with falsehoods to protect your guru.Next, let's talk about how Jerry flipped of his wife's "teachings of Abraham" like his butt was on fire and ran to conventional medicine, just like I would, when he was hit with leukemia. He knew it was crap. So do I.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave,1. I'm intimately familiar with their story. When you channel it's an interesting experience, but it's never a takeover. You are reading what you want to read into those words. Best I can describe it, it's a merging of consciousness. Deep trance, light trance, no trance, enlightened being or otherwise, the channeler is always in control.2. You'll get no argument from me about A-H's priorities - it's always been business first, LOA teaching second. But whether you like it or not, they have been a major force promoting a good understanding of the LOA. You might say that being a successful enterprise was an important part of that.3. Re message coloration - those are my words and my experience. Esterham has never spoken of that - no doubt because of the aforementioned business motivations.4. The way you describe A-H, you make it sound.like purely commercial, regurgitated plagiarism. The bottom line is, does Esther channel? To me there's no doubt about that, and despite all of the above, she mostly does a bloody good job of it. All in all, methinks you protest too much.(-: Robin Retallick

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: You need to go back and read the story of how it all started again, robinmr. Esther's main story is that her hands and voice box were taken over involuntarily, her hands when she and Jerry were in bed one night and she had to get up and let them type out a message about writing a book together, her voice when Abraham spontaneously took it over while she and Jerry were riding in his caddy and being squeezed between trucks. The voice told him to take the next exit where they parked under a bridge while Jerry chatted with Abraham. That's their story. I didn't make it up.I understand the nature of what is claimed to be channelling very well. The "coloration" angle they came up with only after all the errors and contradictions got spotted. Before that, it was all "masters of the universe" with Esther simply getting "blocks of thought" she translated.I agree that there is much that comes from Esther that feels good, but it's all derivative, taken from others. None of the Abe stuff is original; so why bother with a version diluted for profit. There are many alternatives with a lot less baggage and a lot less angling for sales and revenue. I'd recommend ignoring all of it and go for more credible sources. Anita Moorjani and Eben Alexander would both be good people to start with. Both got a gift of enlightenment and turned it to helping others, not milking followers.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Esther has never claimed to have been chosen by anybody. Estherham has always maintained that anybody can channel anybody, and they can. You cannot understand what Esther is doing until you understand the nature of channeling. It is always a collaboration between the channeled entity and the channeler. It is never without some coloration from the channeler, sometimes a lot of coloration. I suggest you not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Take what feels good. That is your truth. For many (millions??), there is much from Estherham that feels good and rings true. Ignore the rest.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Depends on what you mean by "real." If the question is, has Esther Hicks been chosen as the voice for some "masters of universe," to speak for Jesus, Buddha, etc., as she claims, the answer is no, not even close.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Do you think any of that stuff is real?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @kathysart: It's a good tactic, Kathy. What is being sold is an amalgam of Seth Speaks, Theo, Napoleon Hill and some things Jerry and Esther came up with themselves. Their sources may be good, but their own stuff is mainly marketing.Thanks.

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      kathysart 4 years ago

      Gosh I did not know a thing about it. I like the ideas from Abraham Speaks and when I first heard the message I pulled what felt comfortable to me and left the rest.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for your reasoned comment, Donna.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I agree, but the writers opinion is equally valid allbeit in a different place. Thankfully you and I are agree, that feeling good is better and brings more:-) so we'll stick with that.x

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Easy, tiger lily. Are you into instant gratification or what? I don't instantly respond, especially when I have a cat in my lap who wants attention.I do think your words were wasted, though, because they don't make a convincing case for Esther's behavior without undermining her entire scheme. She was not acting as Esther. She was doing Abraham, and never once has she claimed that she was out of tune with Abraham while collecting big bucks on stage. Why invite doubt?And, of course, this article reflects my opinions on the subject. I wrote it and maintain it. You're free to do the same thing. I try to be objective, but what it comes down to is this: there is more than one side to the issue, and if you don't like this one, that's fine with me. But it is important to be aware and not swim in a sea of ignorance, immune to the fact that there are serious holes in the story.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, tiger lily, what you need to understand is that Estherham's abusing of audience members took place more than a year before Jerry fell ill, or at least when he admitted it. She, as Abraham, was getting off on it as were some of the less discerning, cult-like followers in the audience. She never showed an ounce of remorse, but she stopped it when she got bad feedback on the internet. Esther and Jerry did test-marketing on various things and also used sock puppets to build support through fake internet identities. When the test marketing was too negative, she dropped it like a hot potato.So, let's be clear. We're not talking about Esther. We're talking about what she claims to Abraham who claims to "know everything" and mocks human frailty. Certainly, you can excuse all this by claiming Esther was having a bad day, but why then was she performing without apology as Abraham? And if this channelling is so susceptible to Esther's moods, why on earth would anyone pay $195 to sit through a few hours of questionable babble or pay a monthly fee for recordings. How would one know what was good and what was bad?Esther and Jerry never promoted it that way, and what you're saying just sounds like an easy out rationale to keep from facing the truth. I predict you will around to it soon enough anyway, and for your benefit, the sooner the better.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Nevermind, I see this is not an open forum and comments are monitored for approval. Since my post was not bashing Esther Hicks or Abraham, and considering the comments you HAVE let post, I know mine will probably not be one of them. So my words were wasted. You, mister writer...have said more about YOURSELF in this article and the way you have it all set up, then you could ever say about anyone else. Have a good day.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      What the writer needs to understand, is that Esther Hicks is human, like all of us. She is NOT Abraham. She is susceptible to getting down and depressed like all of us. Of course, this can affect the connection she has with the Abraham energy. I'm not posting to reform anyone's thought pattern. But if there are some that are confused by this, you should keep in mind that perhaps it was easier for Esther to feel happy when her partner was "here". You don't know what people are going through and you can't judge someone else's journey by your own. State of mind is everything. And it is all individual.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @MariahS: Thanks, Mariah. Always a pleasure to hear from you.

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      MariahS 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Actually, Atsu, wanting physically proven evidence is not a problem. If we did not test anything in order to prove it, we'd still be using leeches for all kinds of illnesses. Addressing the legitimacy of something is not a waste of time. One needs to consider confirmation bias when considering if Esther Hicks' "teachings" are effective. The problem here is that the teachings are not effective. While some get along just fine (either because they are already doing well, or don't take Esther Hicks all that seriously) others waste or destroy their lives while trying to apply what she "teaches". I care about my fellow human beings, which is why I speak out against charlatans like Esther Hicks.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're rambled way off topic here, but your point is well-taken. The greatest motivator for most people is safety as they assemble the belief systems they chose to embrace. Only a small minority is most inspired by a passion to know.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      The problem with most people is that they wanna rely on how physically "PROVEN" something is before they can apply it themselves. No one is claiming that the teachings of Abraham are true or false. The question is what rings true for you as an individual. This is personal. Yet most will find ways to discredit anything no matter its origin. Which is really missing the point. The origin of the resource doesn't matter. That it is a scam or legit doesn't really matter. Does the information work for you or not? If it does good, if it doesn't that's also good. Too much wasted time addressing the legitimacy of something instead of attending to your own sanity and what makes you have an meaningful life experience.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Funny, Esther has always said it's supposed to be easy, Terry. And "looking at who you are seriously" isn't on her agenda. Either you got it wrong or you aren't actually following Esther.Oh, by the way, my daily meditation is very easy and deep. It's something I enjoy every day, and I never take any of it seriously. This is a joyride, plan and simple. Meditation helps you with directions.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Lazy? I don't think so, if you do the work, allow , meditate which I have been doing for about 20 years, being conscious of you feelings it is not easy. Looking at who you are seriously. Letting go of old patterns and start to allow not just in your mind but allowing with your whole body. I do it and it is work. Dave!!!!!!!! is writing for lazy people?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @JackCairns83: JackCairns83, maybe more than one. Shifting it up to lessons from the gods, though, that was genius.

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      JackCairns83 4 years ago

      These guys did well for a long time, I even bought it for a while when I was deluded and looking for answers to my problems. Here's my spin on "the law of attraction" which I posted on a forum recently, and thought to be very relevant to this discussion:"Its common sense, dressed up as pseudo quantum mechanics.Think about it, when you're in a state of "positive energy", basically that just means you are feeling positive emotions, and thinking positive thoughts. Of course, this then leads to positive behaviour and actions, which both creates a positive response from others AND filters out the negative (things don't bother us very much when we're in a great mood and we just keep focusing on what's good)So in other words "the law of attraction" is real, but it's just presented in a way that's filled with pseudo science and hyped up marketing.Hmmmm... I wonder if anyone realized all this, and decided to try make money from it...."

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I agree with you, Tess, and it's surprising that nobody has seriously looked into the enterprise as they have with Scientology. Studies show that transparency only strengthens cult-following by reinforcing paranoia and fantasies of exceptionalism. It might stem the flow of new followers, however. Thank you for your comment.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Tess, the real genius was in the marketing. They had little enough new to say, and much of what they did have to say was hijacked from others and sold as wisdom from the gods. It was never as harmless as the cult likes to claim, but it was deliberate evil either. It was just greedy to the point of insufficient concern about their influence on vulnerable others.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      It becomes a vortex of a spin on an idea of taking an idea and spinning it so you benefit. Monetarily the Abraham-Hicks foundation benefits, end of story. That is the same way AMWAY approaches thngs, and most corporations that accept money. That is what this is all about. I agree that anything you vest yourself in should be truly investigated and understood, and then yes, take away what works for you but also be educated and knowledgeable in what you are listening to and acting on or we all may as well just call ourselves sheep and keep behaving in the herd mentality.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Sounds like Jerry and Esther Hicks learned the process well from AMWAY. They have the same kind of methods and it all boils down to the cash it generates into their retirement accounts no matter how good intentioned they were in the beginning.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      John, I submit that understanding what channeling is is a necessary first step in understanding "Esterham" and I offer the following. As you suggest, many think of channeling as an entity taking over your body. But of all the possible descriptions of channeling, psychic possession seems to me to be the least helpful. There are as many versions of channeling as there are people who do it, but none of them truly involve take-overs. Composers channel. Artists channel, Athletes in the "zone" channel. Speaking as one who said he would never channel only to discover that he could and would (and it's really no big deal - everyone can and in fact, does), I would say it's more translating than channeling, and yet even that word is not really it. Perhaps it's best described as collaborating, and as with any collaboration, the beliefs, opinions and vocabulary of both parties will be formative of the output. If you can "get" that, then you will begin to see Esther perhaps in a different light - not perfect - with all the imperfections we all have and that are often highlighted in this lens - but she's been an important voice to many.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting and original comment, John V. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Great lens! Thanks for showing the underbelly of the Hicks phenomenon. Some people who claim to have psychic abilities apparently make a differentiation between telepathic type communication, where they are simply communicating with something (like an angel or animal or whatever), and channeling, which is said to be inviting an actual entity into your body to take it over. Some say that inviting an entity in is psychic possession, and good beings will never agree to do this. Could this explain some of the Hicks inconsistencies? What do others think? This article talks about these ideas a little more: www.lipstickmystic.com/channeling-is-bad-news/

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @chanel-linder: chanel-linder, you're missing the point that audiences are supposed to be getting Abraham, not a grieving woman with chaotic, evasive responses. Nobody is paying to $195 a hit to commiserate with Esther's grieving, whether she made fun of others for the same thing or not. She has never retracted or apologized, by the way, but how could she when it was supposed to be infinite intelligence all along.If Esther has 24X7 access to Abraham, why would she be more flawed and less concerned about the feelings of others than most others? Why wouldn't she show some humility and empathy? It's all a show about Esther Hicks and the followers are simply hooked, like viewers at a soap opera where their reward is feeling superior to to all the losers not inside their circle.

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      chanel-linder 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I am really not trying to make a pitch for Esther, and I don't think she deserves special treatment. And yes she did do all of that stuff that is true. But until you personally lose someone very close to you, you will never understand how someone can suffer. And apparently she didn't understand before, but I am sure she does now.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @chanel-linder: chanel-linder, you seem to have either not read the content here or you ignored it in order to make a pity pitch for Esther.For the record, Esther many times mocked people publicly for grieving over lost loved ones. It boggles the mind why followers think she should be treated differently than what she tosses at everyone else. She actually bragged about being "so disrespectful" and referred to death as croaking with a brainless laugh.Cult followers can rationalize almost anything in order to stay in concert with their sacred cows. Ask her to explain what was so different about Jerry's death and the others, including the 3,000 victims of 9/11 she made fun of? She will never answer. She demands special treatment.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Rhonda, so does a concussion, and I'm not pitching in favor of head injuries either.

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      chanel-linder 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I think that this is so unfair calling Esther a train wreck? Her husband died and I guess you have never lost anyone close to you so you have no understanding of the pain involved and I can see her grief very much. I guess you really believe in kicking someone when they are already down.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I think that Abraham Hicks has helped many people, because it actually helps you get a completely different perspective on the different trials and tribulations of life. Why should you knock something like that?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @AstroGremlin: Good point. I've noticed the similarity before.Thanks for your comment.

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      AstroGremlin 5 years ago

      May I suggest that everyone watch the film Elmer Gantry (1960) with Burt Lancaster? When the spiritual and the financial mix.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, there you go. You see what you want to see. Did it ever occur to you that you don't need a guru to be happy? That you could do it yourself without becoming a fan or follower?And, I'm sorry to say, in true Aber fashion, you didn't answer the question you responded to, which was what about the tough love approach? That had nothing to do with love, appreciation or peace (which Esther rejects as a goal, by the way). When you think about it, your "good laugh" is dependent on a limited view of life. It's far from praiseworthy to be in denial as foundation for joy. Objectively, it's a little weird.Come on, now, enjoy the fullness of life with all its quirks and unexpected interruptions. Esther and her followers misunderstand the "law of attraction" and use it as way to avoid life, rather than engage. That's what immature intellects do to defer growing up. But I hope that changes, for you and others. We need more adults in the world, not fewer. Get up out of your chair and tackle the big world with some enthusiasm. Let all the silliness that's so easy to fall for pass.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Consider finding things to appreciate about AH. They have brought joy to many, many people. They encourage showing appreciation for the world, finding love for yourself and others, focusing on peace. Those can't be "bad" things. Messages of love, appreciation, and peace are not a "scam." Nothing wrong in my book with making A LOT of money bringing a message of joy, freedom, and faith. If you look for the beauty in the message, you just might find it.Yes, clearly, I am a fan. That doesn't make me a nut case or mean I have been brainwashed. I have to laugh, because you are clearly proving the point of the Abe teachings. As you focus on what you consider to be the "flaws" of AH, you will find flaws.I love the irony that your writings prove the truth of the AH teachings: you get what you focus on, whether you want it or not.I focus on fun and got a good laugh. I appreciate it.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @WriterJanis2: Thanks. It really kept my attention, good and bad, for a long time. It's a pretty fascinating phenomenon.

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      WriterJanis2 5 years ago

      Wow. I know at this point I should leave a well thought out comment, but I can't. There is way to much to think about and you have certainly put a different spin on things. Very well written.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Gypzeerose: Wow you got it, she is human before anything else and a grieving one. she like everyone else can not be in a feeling good place and get back to that place. She is not perfect and neither is anyone including the critiques. Why should she not charge $200 for her sessions when psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, life coaches etc. under whose supervision I am sure more than one person has committed suicide charge much more PER HOUR. If someone is suicidial to start off with & very depressed, why is it supposed to be a guarantee or even ester's responsibility to save them every time? As far as I am concerned people die under doctor's hands and those that go to school like psychiatrists that charge people for years also. so should they not be charged with criminal charges considering they are claiming to be professionals. I think it's not at all clear except perhaps to someone very close to the person that committed suicide here why it happened & in no way can you assume or blame Esther & their teachings for it directly, however when someone dies, out of anger I am sure who ever was their last hope is the easiest party to blame. I am in no way 100% saying esther/abe/jerry are a 100% right or wrong, however, there have been many times I have come away feeling specifically for your information, feeling less depressed, happier, more motivated to move on after a relationship breakup, after having a very stressful situation at work, after family problems, and she has in fact with her motivation in these SPECIFIC examples helped me (if you truly listen & are open) feel better, be more productive, move on more quickly from a negative event that happened to me in my life and also at the same time think for myself & follow my own intuition by not making my life about following esther & abe but using their free teachings on utube when needed to motivate, encourage & move me ahead in life, instead of being stuck. I agree don't blindly buy all their products or go to their seminars and pay what ever like a blind follower (just like you should not be blind follower of any major religion that are filled with flaws and cause of not one suicide but wars killing many), however, as long as you are NOT addicted to any teachings & have flexible open beliefs you are willing to evolve with IF THEY WORK, then go with what works for you. At the end of the day don't follow anything completely & don't dismiss anything completely if you want to evolve as a human being and most of all if something works and could help someone, don't discourage it because of 1 person and 1 suicide. Like I said more people have died under care of a psychiatrist/psychologist or doctor that we don't even hear from, who charge way more money & I see no reason why someone who may have discovered (I am not saying I am convinced, but it is possible, and I will leave it open to myself to decide fully if it is or not) that someone can meditate and be able to connect with a source of energy within them to create & bring forth positive things to everyone. If the source of the god everyone speaks of is within each individual, why wouldn't be possible for someone (as imperfect as ALL of us) to not be able to have a message; don't forget jesus, moses, mohamad were just people too, and why wouldn't others other than prophets or even esther be able to attain a spiritual level to be able to help others in some profound way? And why should anyone who is running a business that is helping people be expected to be perfect grieving for her husband and not be given a break? she is human first and I would think even she cannot always stay in a +ve feeling place, exactly because she is NOT perfect & I am ok with that. because when she is well like all people that have god/source/spirit in them, she will be able to help /be more onto something & helping others, and when she is not feeling it, maybe we should leave her alone, and wait for her to be in a better feeling place before attending any seminars. In the meantime the wealth of free info helps in very specific cases & does work at least for some of us, without feeling the need to follow them or be worshippers of anything or anyone, and that does not exclude other belief systems /religions, etc. I say listen with an open mind, don't judge but don't force to accept anything that is too much for you to grasp either. Use what works for you, don't use what doesn't, don't get addicted to the material, and at the end of the day you are responsible for your life and managing it, no one else so don't give too much credit or blame anyone either for what happens to you. If you are skeptical about their material start with their free material first and if you see it helping you in a concreate way, then use their other materials. You may also find that by meditating and just using the utube videos your life is better, without u making anyone rich. If you go to a seminar etc. let it be your choice or gut feeling that it will help you, if you are unsure, or have a pretty good handle on life already , don't go, but if feel strongly there is an important message do go; if you do go don't expect miracles, use the ideas in part or however you see fit, if they help you. If they don't leave it & find your answers where you see fit, but be very honest at least with yourself regarding where your strong emotions against or for someone come from. I have no problem with abe/esther making money if they are helping people, no matter how crazy their methods may seem to those that are not open to ideas & hold on for dear life the ideas/beliefs they already have internalized all their lives.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: I have to be honest that I did write the comment from a place of annoyance .... Not very Abey ! I'm not what I'd call " an Aber " but I do find the essence of the message uplifting and I have noticed a change in my approach to life since I've started to apply the 'teachings' . I don't really care if it's channeled or conceived, the message is a good one and I enjoy it enormously and that being said I suppose I shouldn't care if someone analyzes the discrepancies . I guess this was my version of " leave Britney alone!" Ha ha. As I said you are a great writer , my overal gripe is purely the amount of energy we humans expend on the stuff we don't agree with . I've observed moments when I've thought " wait a minute... did you slip a little there Esther? " but , as I said, the message works for me , it's not a bad thing, it's a good thing ! So I let it go. Channeling is a mysterious phenomenon and I can't prove whether its real or not , I believe that there is more to the universe than just physics, we are discovering more and more . Stuff that was considered magic in another century is now part of our everyday lives so I choose the open minded approach . I'm rambling so I thank you for the response and as a footnote , the anti-aging cream thing , wouldn't you agree that the subject is irrelevant when talking about a claim that under scrutiny appears to be false?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Paul, you're missing the point of why writers do what they do. Our job is to research subjects of interest and report accurately and interestingly on what we find. There is no reason any of us have to be "riled" or even especially motivated. It's a job, and the less emotionally invested you are, the more likely you are to get it right.I disagree with your point that, since it's irrelevant whether she's channeling or blowing smoke, since she is conveying a positive message. Channeling is at the very core of what she does. It isn't just a matter of a "think positive" message. There's a garden industry of pitch men and pitch women with that angle, going back at least a hundred years to the New Thought Movement from which Jerry and Esther took the term "law of attraction" and tried copyrighting it as their own.What makes Esther's efforts worth serious consideration is her claim to be a messenger from God or "Source," in her words. In a recent workshop, speaking as Abraham, she said she was the same as Buddha and Jesus and spoke for them. Without passing judgment whatsoever on the validity of that claim, it certainly makes it a worthwhile topic for readers to know about and consider.Imagine if this is true it's a game changer. A genuine messenger qualified to speak on behalf of God, Jesus, Buddha, Seth, etc. (her direct claim, not mine) raises the stakes. That claim is too big not to take a long look at it. Unfortunately, from my point of view, an objective review of the voice of "infinite wisdom" shows that, if what they claim to be, Abraham is one of the dumbest groups of eternal beings in the universe. They don't understand evolution or even know what String Theory is. They are so lame, even an intimate like Jerry ignored what they had to say about health and wellness when he was diagnosed with cancer.But that's just my opinion. Since the initial creation of this article, I've waited in vain for a single Aber to explain where there is a flaw in my thinking. Instead, most like you object to the subject being written about at all, and there's a surprisingly large number of angry Abers who seem offended that their guru is being looked at objectively.I think interested people ought to be able to consider all sides and make their own informed decisions. I assume you have no objection to open discussions.As for skin creams and the stunning Andie McDowell, there's no comparison. Everyone knows what an ad is and her appearances pretend to be nothing more than that. Esther doesn't claim to be making what we used to call "salesman's puffs." She isn't advertising. She's claiming to be a direct conduit from God. Even you'll agree that might have a little more heft than claims about anti-aging creams.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      You obviously are very passionate about debunking these people. Why?! Why is it so important to list all things that are wrong with the picture? Surely you could be using your talents as a writer ( you write very well) to create something worthwhile . I understand that that the subject matter " riles " you but what is the point of writing this? What do you gain personally from presenting a list of " stuff that's wrong" ? The Hicks show can be construed as a spiritual event , messages from " god" , innocent parlor tricks, a support group, life coaching , whatever.... All that aside, what does it matter whether Esther is channeling the universe or not , whether its acting or not .... The general messages are " be happy " " think positive thoughts" " listen to your gut feeling" ; what threat is that to the world that you feel,the need to tear it down ? " yeah but , she says you can think and feel shit and then it comes true and that's NOT true! It doesn't work that easy" ... Well , I'm looking forward to seeing a well written article about L'oreal cuz that wrinkle cream doesn't work! Andie McDowell is out to screw us all over with her soft focused glowing complexion! I'm just saying , people feel good about something so why put so much effort into demolishing it ?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Very good critique. I'm neither for or against "Abraham" or anyone involved in that. The only thing with me was that at times I found it wordy, roundabout, and difficult to understand. And yes, I agree that at times "Abraham" or whoever was rather abrasive with people. I read the thread that you mentioned and you were right- they all seemed to say the same thing: that the man in question was not "aligned", whatever that means. I think that the idea of helping yourself and understanding love is always good. However, cashing in on it is a bit sinister. I don't think Jerry (r.i.p) or Esther are bad people by any means, but I do think that, especially now that Jerry is dead, their approach might not have been the best one. I appreciate and applaud you for having the courage to write and critique the whole "Abraham-Hicks" thing. What are our beliefs if they are not challanged?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Catherine, if you can contain your Aber Anger long enough to scroll on down you will see a link to the Abe Forum where Esther's behavior was discussed at length. Esther never denied the tough love approach nor did the Forum followers. She just stopped doing it because it made people uncomfortable.Who's actually trash talking with her head up her... well, never mind where. It just seems you're so determined to defend your severely flawed guru that you started spitting and fuming without bother to check the facts.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This is really a terrible,vague, baseless piece of trash talk. You cite no examples of Esther humiliating anyone, abusing anyone, or displaying bad behavior. You just say she did so and expect the reader to agree with you. But there is no proof. The only concrete example is the text from the e-mail, which in no way can be construed as offensive, abusive, etc. This piece just sounds like an angry person trying to insult someone or something they don't know or understand. It is bizarre that you wasted your time writing it.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What Esther and Jerry have come up with over the years has many valuable points. The trouble is that none are original and each is used to draw followers to product and workshop sales. In order to juice that effort, they juiced what were valuable ideas from the New Thought Movement into pablum for the spiritually lazy.Thanks for your thoughts.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      A very intelligent, successful friend turned me on to AH. I didn't get why supreme intelligence is concerned with selling books, CD's, etc. through a couple in Texas. Amazing how people hear what the want to hear and believe what they want to believe. Thanks for the critique.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you, MarkoG. That's the best any writer can hope for.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      As an interesting read.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Willim: Thanks, Willim. I'm glad you stopped by and took a look.

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      Willim 5 years ago

      great job.....Perfect

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Exactly right, Austin. Under Jerry's wing, she has burnished up the act, but without him, she's a bit of a train wreck.One of the most interesting things I've seen is what amounts to an infomercial from the 90s, billed as an "interview" on YouTube, that was set up to make their case for Abraham taking over Esther's body, vocal chords, thoughts, hands, whatever they were trying to get across. During this "interview," which involved only Esther and Jerry telling the story, Jerry repeated has to interrupt, a little peaved, to get her back on point. She really was all over the place with a story he'd scripted and wanted her to follow. She got better later on, but this was an interesting look at them in the development stage.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Those who have paying attention know that along with her positive work through the years she's also a bit of a nutter. First heard her on radio in the early '90's when she 'channeled' a Scottish accent. You can fool some of the people some of the time. Then you need to know when to let someone else do it. The waves of Del Mar have been calling.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @gaser983: Thanks. It was a lot of work in the making and lot of flack from Abers ever since. I appreciate your comment.

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      gaser983 5 years ago

      Very nice lens, great job!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for your thoughtful contribution, Ali.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Greetings! I've read a few of your blogs criticizing A-H and I must say you're quite proficient as a critic and a writer. I think some of the questions you raise are justified and only logical, so it would make sense they get answered. Though they probably won't, ever.I've known about A-H for a while, but I never really got hooked up. I came to the conclusion that "an all-knowing being answering our questions through a person" just sounds rather absurd and it would be wise to keep a distance. However, I can and do understand where all the followers are coming from. I'd say in today's world, people are desperate to find meaning and something to hold on to. I don't begrudge them because of that.On the other hand, the insane reactions you quoted seem ridiculous. You're right: someone who has been tagging along for so long should know better (or feel better, calmer, whatever) than to attack and try to humiliate someone who doesn't agree. Furthermore, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously if you can't offer rational, objective arguments for your standpoint. It's sad how most people can't do sh.. when it comes to it, instead opting for insulted, emotional and slightly violent responses, instead. That always made me think people are... well. Losers in their own right. All emotions are beyond rational and if you're incapable of separating them from a rational response, don't even bother trying to prove your standpoint. It's pointless, because there aren't any facts or logic. Besides, how is such a response possibly vortex? ;) Apparently almost 20 years weren't enough to penetrate some thick skulls...What mostly bothered me with the responses or answers on videos found online, however, was the evasiveness. If someone asks a direct question, and you're an all-knowing being, why not answer it accordingly? All this dancing around gets irritating and definitely belies the status of an all-knowing entity. I've been to Dalai-Lama event once and well, old man answered directly, to the point and yet with words that reached more than just th individual with the question... he retained his sense of humor, witty remarks and quips were there, but not once was he mean, even when a woman had a very ridiculous question. I'm a sceptical, nihilistic and analytical person and I can't bring myself to blindly follow... well, anything. But the old man just IS incredibly charming and I respect him and what he has to say. I couldn't find any of it stupid (talking about the said event). But to return to A-H... I have to say all-knowing doesn't fly with me. I think universe is too vast to know everything, immortal, ascended or whatever it is you are. And A-H have so far, in certain answers, shown that they don't know everything. So they can't possibly know everyone's thoughts and pick those who benefit the whole group and I agree with your argument: assuming some people don't learn other than with though love really has no proof whatsoever. I think that is really unnecessary... it seems more like a person who desperately wants to keep up the image of a sweet, witty person with funny remarks, but can't find the right measure of it and takes it too far. That's how I see it...But I can't say I disagree with everything Esther said. I did find myself inspired by some of her words, despite having to overlook the whole "all for sale" fiasco. That's something I don't get, either: if you're all knowing, wise, and whatnot creature being chanelled through an individual, claiming to want to HELP as many people as possible... why the outrageous prices? Hm? Yes, you must know how to value your work. But most people don't have all that money to participate in those cruisings and such. Well, I think many people won't be able to follow my line of thought and I should probably explain my question better, but this comment is long enough as it is, so let me wrap it up.As stated, some teachings, or whatever people call them, are indeed inspiriting, motivating and make you feel better. I experienced this, myself and I think that helps. I figured people often need a bit of motivation, a push forward and a raise of spirits to dare doing a few things. So if they get it out of that, good for them. Great for them, if it works and gives them something! As far as that goes, I'm not opposed to A-H. And you can get this from free videos on youtube, so I guess it's the original prurpose of Abe. It helps, it teaches you something new, it motivates you, makes you feel better... aaaaand it's literally available to a lot of people for free, basically to everyone with the internet.But, I refuse to buy everything they claim. And I think hard-core followers should re-think their stand point. It doesn't really clicque with what Abe teaches them, anyway. Anyone needing someone to guide them through life as much, causing him/her to get so worked up by possibly criticism or disagreement, has lost a healthy amount of scepsis that naturally accours because we have something called "rational mind." That means he/she is too involved in this whole thing, has lost own perspective and is incapable of letting go, should the need arise (also something THEY teach). That is how we get a whole lot of brain-washed sheep, all going in the same direction under their respected leader. I figured we don't need that. It's the diversity, also in opinions, that drives us forward, so criticism should be accepted and discussions led without so much emotional baggage. The most effective discussions are ones when there are no winners, but different standpoints are productively discussed and presented to people... with respect. If you are to accept things and other creatures and whatever... you should be capable of accepting someone who disagrees without needing to cut him down.My thoughts on the subject. :)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I understand. I meditated every day, and it makes a world of difference, more and more as time passes. I don't normally use any guides or special music, just making sure I pick a peaceful time where I won't be interrupted. When I have used a guide, it's been Andrew Weill, whose CD I've owned for a long time, very peaceful and directed. More recently, I've tried Ahnalira Koan's meditations on CD. I thought they were really terrific and expanded my awareness beyond what I got on my own. I don't listen now, but I do use some of the guidance from hers. Both Weill and Koan are available on Amazon. Good luck and happy meditating. It really is important to establish a practice.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,I just bought Getting Into The Vortex meditation CD which I quite like, but now I'm not sure if I should continue to listen to it. What else would you recommend; I really want some kind of meditation practice in my life. Thank you.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Stella, thank you for your wise words. One thing that the Bible also says is to beware of false prophets. Another thing we read about over and over again is Yeshua's healing of those lame, blind and even possessed. When someone allows themselves to become a "conduit" for a "spirit", no matter what it says its name is, they are actively opening themselves up to being possessed. These malignant spirits ALWAYS appear as friendly initially, or else, we would never invite them in. There is much scripture on this as well. We would ALL be wise to remember that neither Yeshua nor Our Holy Father above EVER asked us to surrender conscienceness to them. Quite the contrary, we are invoked to be wise as serpents and to stay alert to false prophets, and the one that seeks to devour our souls. I would venture to say, Esther is in trouble with good ole' Abraham and it is taking a toll on her.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting that, although you claim to have discovered A-H only "a few months ago" that you've already learned the standard company excuses. The "Esther filter" idea. If what you say is accurate, why should anyone pony up all that money when what she delivers in her Abraham persona is unreliable? She never claimed that. The very basis of "the teachings" said she was chosen by Abraham because she was so totally unbiased. Okay, it was a nonsense claim. She was raised by Mormons, very passionate people in their beliefs. But unbiased by nature was how she pitched it. It's dishonest to now claim the opposite to explain all the contradictions and lack of awareness.You say, "sometimes people need tough love. There are some people who just won't change without it." That's judgment on your part, without even knowing the people involved. Just excuse-making. If this were true, how come she stopped when there was open criticism of her public cruelty? Face it, it was a trial run, something they've done before. It flopped; so, she stopped. Jerry was still around then and probably told her to stop. It didn't fit the fictionalized, all-patient, all-knowing Abraham to intentionally pull people from the audience, just to beat them up in public.Intense reliance on "the teachings" certainly contributed to Ari's death. Abers love to crow about all the great things they've gotten from following Esther, usually without a shred of evidence (including you), but when things go bad, it's time to blame the victim. They just weren't "letting it in," right? Esther Hicks preaching about how "It's supposed to be easy" leaves people with real emotional and psychological issues feeling even more like failures. But don't look for sympathy from Esther or her narcissistic followers. Empathy is in short supply in the cult. (And by the way, you picked up that story elsewhere, not in this lens.)According to you, "You claim that they teach you to listen to them rather than your own guidance." Teachers do encourage you to follow their instructions, and Esther Hicks has introduced numerous technics, like "virtual reality" and "focus wheels." You claim is disingenuous because, if listeners were not expected to take her advice, why pay $195 a shot to be told again what she has been saying for 25 years. There's cult reinforcement, of course, but more to the point, these are rituals followers are expect to repeat. And they do. Just check out the forum.Next phony issue. Instead of dealing with the core question of why, when he was diagnosed with cancer did Jerry not follow the Abraham guidance and be cured "in less than an afternoon," as Esther is on record claiming? You're in good company. The sock puppets A-H sends over try to avoid the question by answering something never asked instead. You could only have avoided knowing that Jerry wanted to live longer by refusing to read or believe what he said himself. Was he lying? Even after his diagnosis, he claimed to be feeling better all the time and had long ago declared his intention to live to be 120. Instead, it was the conventional 84. Like you, Esther and her insiders simply change the question as a way of answering. Try to listen: nobody but Jerry made a claim about his preference to survive or claimed to know what was going on in his thoughts. Conveniently, though, you and the cultist quickly suggest that he may have wanted to die. Then, why did he insist otherwise and undermine the very "teachings" that made him and his wife rich? No answer, right? Of course not. Truth is something you guys will never accept.As for your final paragraph, it echoes many other claims, including those Jerry Hicks engineered on Amazon and other online forums, that are aimed at establishing credibility without a single piece of evidence. What was your "training in the hard sciences?" "Skepticism" brought you to the "brink of suicide - multiple times?" Skepticism is nothing more than questioning and should strengthen understanding and knowledge. Only in the world of A-H is understanding and knowledge the enemy. Look the other way is another way of saying, "Reach for the next best thought." Reality isn't so bad. Try it. It hasn't led me to the brink of suicide. I love the richness of life, all of it, as an example of the dynamics of creation. Being partially blind by choice is not a healthy option.Finally, you claim that teaching such as the Hicks, making the obvious Freudian slip (It's supposed to be Abraham's teachings, not Esther and Jerry's.) brought you to "a very productive place (money, relationships, lack of any suicidal thoughts, and so on). Yet, you haven't a single example. More important, you relate first to money. Haven't we all learned by now that money has nothing to do with happiness? Oops, sorry. That's Esther Hicks reality, where money is happiness, not enlightenment, all by itself. Typical of A-H envoys, you make broad claims without any evidence to support them. This makes it easier to digest for followers who might have doubts. It also makes it obvious that your comment was planned and organized in advance by those interested in rebuilding Esther's badly damaged credibility and helping her bring back her shrinking audiences. You did better than most, but you never respond directly to the questions raised and you make up excuses for convenience. When will the folks organized around Esther come to understand that being upfront and honest works and taking followers to be shallow sycophants who will buy any pitch is an ethical way to go about promotions?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Even if Esther is channeling, that channel is filtered through Esther's mind and experience. Just like your TV signal is filtered through the TV. If your TV is a tiny, ancient black and white unit that runs on vacuum tubes, the picture isn't going to be as clear.... All you folks who are claiming she's a scam don't seem to consider this quite simple point... We are getting interesting info, but it is going to be colored by the translator - just like translations of books written in other languages can change the meaning of things, we can naturally expect that Esther puts her own flavor into it.Of course, what she says should be considered with some caution - ANY person who is giving advice should be received with appropriate caution, and if they advise something against your own values, then IGNORE IT. It's really that simple, folks! Now, to some specific points you make:- That she's mean: sometimes people need tough love. There are some people who just won't change without it.- That her teachings led to a suicide: this is a bogus claim if there ever was one. The Abraham phenomenon has 10's of thousands of followers around the globe, and many of those come to be followers because they're having tremendous challenges in their lives to begin with. We have no way of knowing how distraught this person was to begin with, but it's quite likely she was facing severe challenges before she discovered Abraham, and that she needed some more direct help than the impersonal seminars/tapes can provide. And an online forum is no place for dealing with severe crisis to the level of suicide. It is unfortunate if the forum moderators deleted her after the fact.... but who knows why they did that. Maybe out of respect for her? Ever consider that? Manic depression and major depression can come on in a massive way, and it is foolish to think that just listening to tapes 2 hours a day (or whatever) is enough to prevent that. The real question to ask: would this poor lady have killed herself anyway, if she hadn't encountered Abraham? Did Abraham help her live a happier life for the time that she did have left here on Earth? Those are the only truly important questions!- You claim that they teach you to listen to them rather than your own guidance. Apparently you've never listened to Abraham, because they're constantly harping on listening to your own inner guidance system! It is the number one message: to find thoughts and actions that take you to a better feeling place. To NOT listen to anyone else, but to listen to what makes YOU and only YOU feel better.- That the death of Jerry is somehow a sign of the scam. Hey, I know plenty of people who get to a point in their 80's where they've had enough of this life. How can you know what Jerry's feelings were, and whether he really wanted to stay here in physical form? You assume that he *wanted* to live longer, but your assumption isn't based on any facts that I've seen: just bogus assumptions. I've seen plenty of people get to a point where they're ready to move on, after experiencing a very full life (which Jerry did).I only discovered the Hicks' a few months ago, and I came from quite a "skeptical" background (with lots of training in the hard sciences). The skepticism was what brought me to the brink of suicide - multiple times. Teachings such as the Hicks' have brought me from the brink into a very productive place (money, relationships, lack of any suicidal thoughts, and so on). You can have your skepticism and tearing down... but realize that you're not actually helping.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I found her videos on youtube and benefited from some of her teachings...the teachings she stole from the mouth of Jesus, who said "as a man thinks so shall he be". What gave me my first inkling was a video about the purpose of animals on the planet...I have 2 dogs and been involved with animal rescue since a child what she said clearly indicated she had NO idea what she was talking about. That animals do not know they die, they are here to be food blah blah blah. My dog died in my arms from cancer...believe me they know. And then the explanation why we don't get what we want, it is because we are not in vibrational harmony and many will die and never manifest their desires for this reason...well that's a reassuring thought. I have manifested over and over...all my life...because I meditate and I am very sensitive to energy vibration, and I know it is true. I have thought about things and within a short time it has manifested. I never realized who Abraham was until just now. That it was a collection of spiritual beings speaking through this Esther. I am amazed how people will fork out money for all this 'enlightenment' and how to get there. Try reading the teachings of Jesus. He shows you how to get there. he preached that we are all connected, all brothers and if we believe, if our faith is strong enough, we can move mountains. Jesus was the original quantum physicist. All these people do is leave out the Jesus aspect because it sells to more people. They make it neutral. This is not a new and clever discovery. And any law of the universe must work all the time for everyone..special tools should not be required. The Law of Gravity works for everyone, all the time. It does not matter if I believe it or not. It is. Anyway, I was glad to come across these blogs about her. now I understand why I thought some of her videos were nonsense. Thanks!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I don't usually enjoy reading "debunking" articles, but I must say, you are a skilled writer. 10 out of 10 for style, structure, and so on. I mean it. However, I do think that you are wrong, but never mind, eh?! Whatever makes the world go round.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave said...Then, she found herself in a position of facing her abusive ex-husband at her husbands wedding correction~her son's weddingalso...The trail of her threads ended a few days before the wedding, correction~her last post was the day before the wedding, nervous over seeing the ex but doing her aber best bc she was excited for her son. That post was removed but not her previous post. Reason we can best guess is her last post she was doing good aber...the next day after her son's wedding she went home and killed herself. Repeatedly asking Marc, co admin of the forum, when he appeared on Kyra's blog to dispute claims of forum control, to explain why her removal as a member and last post were ignored...over and over again.http://kyrasdiary.blogspot.com/2012/01/abe-forum-b...

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: In brief, Ari came to the Abe Forum (controlled by Esther and Jerry through David Gordon), talking about her problems, including a prior bout with breast cancer, difficult financial challenges and bouts of depression. She said she'd been listening to A-H tapes at least two hours a day for two years. For the next 18 months, she was very active on the Forum, giving and receiving advice and trying all the practices (focus wheels, etc.). Her up days and down days were adressed in the same way, with talks about finding a better feeling thought and other encouragement as you can imagine. Jodi Baron, a longtime A-H stalwart who helped her boyfriend, Gordon, martial the forum to keep it a great marketing platform.Anyway, after nearly two years, she was still in trouble but keeping upbeat, even encouraging others dealing with depression to follow Abraham's "teachings." Then, she found herself in a position of facing her abusive ex-husband at her husbands wedding and worried about being able to buy a nice-looking outfit. She was sweet, not feeling sorry for herself. The trail of her threads ended a few days before the wedding, and within a short time after others on the forum learned of her suicide. Baron at least, she was the one who was public about it refused to allow any discussion of this very active member's death, and the Forum took the exceptional step of deleting her as a member. Her comments on the threads over the years remained, but they were hard to find. Her lovely icon was replaced by a generic "guest" icon. It was covered up for what I believe are obvious reasons.I discussed it in detail on Seekyt in Did Abraham Hicks kill Ari? You can find a link above, just before the yellow post it note, or you can copy and paste this link into your browser: http://seekyt.com/did-abraham-hicks-kill-ari/

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Dave - I am unfamiliar with what happened to Ari. Was this recent?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you, Bella. When you write that "when something like this happens we get scared so we have to find some way for it to make sense," I think you've hit the bullseye on why Esther Hicks is dangerous. Followers are so unable or unwilling to look elsewhere (or within themselves) for answers. What Esther preaches is shallow and unrewarding, for the most part, but once hooked followers keep repeating the mantras as if they contain some rare truths. They don't. Please consider what happened to Ari, who followed the practices and encouraged others to until her life was ended in a suicide, one from which the Abraham Hicks establishment tried mightily to hide their connection.