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When Esther Hicks Turns Mean

Updated on February 19, 2015

An Angry Esther Hicks Slaps Paying Customers

Would an all-knowing, all-loving Source, acting through Esther Hicks, abuse audience members at an Abraham-Hicks workshop, kicking them out without allowing them to finish a sentence?

That's what happened. Each paid at least $195 to be in the audience to watch Esther channel Abraham, an aggregation of about 100 "nonphysical teachers" that she claims deposit blocks of thought in her mind.

Sitting allegedly in trance, she shouted at them to get out. Since, her grip on followers has loosened, her audiences shrinking.

Decline accelerated with her poor public handling of Jerry Hicks' illness and death from leukemia.

Recent promotional blurbs to followers are so lifeless, it's as if failure has already set in. A transcript of a recent email blast, in full:

Dear Friends,

We'll be in San Francisco (Millbrae), CA this coming Saturday for the continuation of our expanding conversation with friends and Abraham.

With love and thanks,

Esther

(and Abraham and Jerry)

(Note: Esther Hicks now claims to channel, not just Abraham, but also her dead husband who most often chimes in with quips.)

New: Jerry and Esther Hicks Spiritual Money Tree

The remainder of the message was boilerplate contact information for attending the workshop online or in person. Recent email blasts have become even more lifeless.

David Stone

Find all my books on my Amazon Author Page

Esther Hicks or Abraham

On Stage
On Stage | Source

Rehabilitated by Hay House and Wayne Dyer

But, with the help of Hay House, worried about a drop in book sales, Esther has shaped up communications recently, and her publisher has even arranged to get her a Wayne Dyer blessing at an event.

Jerry Hicks, the master marketer who took Abraham-Hicks to some fame, never allowed Esther to share the stage with anyone, but with the business in trouble, things are different.

Dyer, an otherwise admirable guy, keeps showing up as a shill for any crackpot Hay House throws his way, including Gary Renard, now disappeared, who claimed that Jesus's disciples were appearing at his house when he took naps and Bruce Lipton, accused of being a quack for spinning biology into New Age magical cures.

What first made her aggressively bad behavior even weirder was that she'd always claimed, acting out as Abraham, that she knew every question audience members would ask before singling them out, meaning she picked these unlucky victims out, knowing she would attack and humiliate them in public.

A warm, sometimes witty image was nurtured faithfully and lucratively by Jerry and Esther Hicks for twenty-five years. Now, followers on the Abe Forum were debating her new "tough love" approach.

Antagonistic behavior, so uncharacteristic of this normally gentle channel with a knack for wry humor, proved that the entity called "Abraham Hicks" had more to do with the performers who presented them than with the supposed "nonphysical teachers" Esther claims were controlling her.

What caused the Esther Hicks' act to implode?

Maybe it was worry about having to explain statements about illness like this one, made publicly before Jerry began wasting away with leukemia:

"But it does take the determination that you're going to put your thoughts upon something that does feel good. And so, here we're going to make a very bold statement: any disease could be healed in a matter of days, any disease, if distraction from it could occur and a different vibration dominate - and the healing time is about how much mix-up there is in all of that."

Esther made this fantastic claim in 2002, before her elderly soul mate, Jerry Hicks, was diagnosed with cancer and, instead of following the crazy "Teachings of Abraham" that made them rich, eagerly sought conventional medical therapies.

Jerry Hicks died, but even before that, Esther Hicks tried winging the workshops solo. The results were less polished, sometimes mean and routinely not as bright as they were under Jerry's control.

(See Jerry Hicks Illness and Death)

Esther Hicks and her handlers seem worried about keeping the scam alive in this new context, especially with Jerry, the real wizard behind Abraham Hicks, no longer around.

So far, she has done her best to make followers think she can, in part, resurrect him. But workshop crowds are dwindling and her promotional emails deflated and dull.


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The Esther Hicks' Scam Crumbling

The Context

Whatever the beliefs of Jerry and Esther Hicks' followers, it's not likely many can be convinced that eternal, "nonphysical" entities with direct connections to God, or "Source" in Abraham Hicks lingo or eternal wisdom as they claim, would publcly humiliate workshop attendees coming forward for help.

For as long as Esther Hicks has been trotted out, barefoot, to do Abraham, accepting her claims has depended crucially on her gentle personality and playful sense of humor.

When she abruptly turned miserable, mistreating members of her paying audience, critics and skeptics increased and grew louder.

Many, especially former trusting followers who'd been turned off, demanded to know how the laws of attraction brought her or the victims of her bad temper together.

At workshops that cost $195 a head and up, audience members watched in various states of distress or indifference as questioners in the hot seat were kicked out after uttering as little as a few words or a couple of sentences that provoked Esther (posing as Abraham.)

Never mind that she personally called each of them to the stage before humiliating them and has always claimed to understand what they'd ask before they spoke.

True believers online are referring to this as "tough love" and and enjoying it like catty sorority sisters. But the people stepping forward for guidance were not drug addicts or gang members.

They were individuals in trouble seeking spiritual guidance.

It's easy to see how bullying has led skeptics to claim that what Esther Hicks does is undeniably an act. A God-connected source wouldn't do that.

As the Esther Hicks performance took unexpected turns, the reason behind her erratic behavior may have been exposed when it was revealed that her husband, Jerry Hicks, head of Abraham Hicks Publications, was being treated for cancer.

So embarrassing was his illness that they tried to mislead followers into thinking he was receiving "heavy chemotherapy" for (I'm not kidding) "a spider bite."

His illness and immediate resort to conventional medicine is impossible to square with early claims that Abraham could cure anyone of any disease in an afternoon and other fantastic statements that probably now had Esther Hicks feeling like the one on the hot seat.

Esther Hicks' New Meanness

Compassion Vacuum

As Abraham-Hicks 2.0 was born and went through growing pains, Esther Hicks intermittent bursts of intolerance toward paying audience members took a different and more chilling turn.

Always a narcissist, her inclination toward bending every monetary gravity field in her direction became more exploitive, especially cruelly in her husband's case, and then, not being the sharpest tool in the shed, she started trying to seize control by overreaching.

Her initial bouts of public meanness began when concerns about Jerry Hicks health became serious. Although the pair claimed that what they took to be a spider bite in the spring of 2011 led to Jerry's diagnosis of cancer, his admission that he'd already lost at least fifteen pounds from his smallish, trim frame made it clear that he'd been ill much longer.

What seemed most cold and calculating was Esther and Jerry Hicks' strange refusal to acknowledge that he was being treated for leukemia, even though he openly bragged that he was undergoing "massive chemotherapy" with none of the side effects normally associated with treatment.

Abraham-Hicks apologists argue that the information was private, but it was Esther and Jerry, or subordinates posing as them, that wrote email blasts about his illness. It was just their weird refusal to acknowledge that he was battling cancer that puzzled the rest of us.

Then, their evasion, their unwillingness to come clean began to seem like something else.

While they were eager, even exuberant, about using Jerry Hicks' illness for marketing, they refused to answer the obvious questions about why treatments described in the "teachings of Abraham," which had made them rich when pitched to others, weren't helping him and, very likely, not even attempted.

After traditional medicine failed and Esther escorted Jerry from one alternative therapy to another, the hypocrisy of their approach was not something to wrestle with.

The marketing of his illness, cold and unethical as it may have seemed, was even more astonishing in light of their unwillingness to explain the contradictions.

In Esther's name, email blasts posing as updates on Jerry Hicks' illness ended with a marketing pitch every time. Something I was told as a young man was, to get as what anyone's letter to you was really about, go the last paragraph. Everything else was prologue. This turned out to be true.

An emailed letter to her fans announced that Jerry was watching their live webcasts from home - and you should join him, adding links for buying a subscription.

In probably the meanest act of marketing ever developed, just weeks before his death, Esther Hicks and company took Jerry out to pose on a fun-filled family outing, a balloon ride in which he was stuck back in a corner, apparently unable to stand, waving weakly at the camera while Esther posed front and center, not even next to her critically ill husband.

And, yes, you probably guessed. They spun it. The balloon ride was crowded, the note explained, but Esther's next workshop would not be. This was followed by links for signing up.

Astonishing though this was (Even skeptics were startled.), another event that happened earlier came to light, and that had to do with the death of a member of the Abraham-Hicks forum by suicide and the speedy scramble to erase as much evidence as possible from the site.

For more information on this, see: Did Abraham Hicks Kill Ari?


What about Esther Hicks' "tough love" approach? - Is it effective or a hole in the scam?

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      David Stone 2 months ago from New York City

      Exactly. What we were saying, even before Jerry died, was that Abraham had left the room. I don't know. I haven't heard or read any of the recent stuff because whatever was of any core value was out there 15 to 20 years ago. What was there new to add?

      Good luck with the seminar. I wouldn't go myself. Instead, I just let it ride. It's a battle you can't win.

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      James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Dave,

      Like in this blog posting about Esther getting more and more abusive, her latest seminars are showing the continued abuse. I'm going to a seminar in April with my husband purely (now) to get her to either expose her or to let her get abusive towards me and let all to see her abusive behavior. An allegedly loving spiritual guide should not be abusive.

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      David Stone 5 months ago from New York City

      I haven't heard or watched any of the recent stuff, so what I get from your post is that the wheels may have come off, some time ago, but the show went on. I can tell you, after listening to older material recently, that it was a one time clear, powerful, kind, gentle, sometimes funny and charismatic. I retained podcasts from their days on Hay House radio, and they are still pretty impressive. They may be impossible to find, these days.

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      Morgan1967 5 months ago

      I discovered Abraham this past summer and listened to hours of audio. At first, I totally embraced the teaching....but there was something about the vibe of Abraham that rubbed me the wrong way. The info about LOA was great but repetitive and every situation was met with the same answer each and every time. What I found lacking in the teaching was the depth, love, and ego-less energy that great spiritual teachers impart effortlessly. I didn't feel any loving vibes from Abraham...and I found that uncomfortable and puzzling. I do believe in channeling and I have met two gifted channelers in my life. They were amazing but even they admitted how difficult it was to remain a "clear channel" to the higher vibration energy coming through. They knew if they had any emotional challenges, even small annoying ones, it would impact the ability to be a clear channel...and this concerned them and so they only asked for love donations for their session. Sure enough, their info was often skewed and inconsistent. I see no reason why this challenge wouldn't impact Esther as well, if she is in fact able to channel at all. Two events caused me to walk away from the teachings of Abraham. First, I was listening to her explain to a guy on the hot seat why he was involved in a car accident with his friend, even though he was "in the vortex" He couldn't understand how he got involved in such an awful experience if he was feeling so good about everything. Abraham cleverly hinted that it wasn't about him but that his friend was not in the vortex. The audience applauded! What?! That's when they lost me. So, we are now at the mercy of those around us who aren't in the vortex? Hmm..that's when I walked away. It just made no sense to me any longer and the trust for me was gone.

      The second and most significant event was when, a few days later, I rediscovered Eckhart Tolle's book "A New Earth" and re-read it. It totally clicked for me at a level it hadn't before and I realized how much Abraham's teachings paled in comparison to Mr. Tolle's message. His message was pure, simple, and uncomplicated. This was a totally ego-less, pure messenger of spirit like no other. No ego. No drama. No channeling. And no shtick. What it comes down to for me is Abraham is good for basic LOA teaching on a level of material things and simple life situations, like manifesting a mate or a good job. Anything beyond this, like deep spiritual growth and awareness, is NOT going to be found through Abraham. Look elsewhere.

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      David Stone 5 months ago from New York City

      Not that I'm aware of. I doubt they'd ever post that on YouTube. I read about it in a discussion on the Abe Forum when it was still current.

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      Kara Schmidt 5 months ago

      Is there a video showing Esther Hicks tossing paying followers out of her workshop?

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      David Stone 5 months ago from New York City

      Sorry to disappoint you, but I've read almost all of their original books and have listened to dozens of the podcasts they used to post on Hay House radio. I've still got them. But you may be right about understanding. It's a personal thing. Some get it; some don't. Some get it, then don't get it anymore. I do feel it's good to challenge your own thinking sometimes, rather than be complacent in a comfortable rut. An objective perspective is a tool to keep on hand. Without it, you may go blind.

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      Thea 5 months ago

      Ermagerd ... you have either never read or heard Abraham, or you just haven't understood theirteachings.

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      David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

      @sirjack: sirjack, it's always a little amusing when blowhards tried to establish their creds by dropping $10 words like posit in their flakey arguments. And as for the case it applies to, you'll have to credit Esther Hicks, although you make it hard by joining God with Abraham and something peculiar about earthquakes in your meandering, nonsensical argument.Esther, doing her Abraham schtick, says that Source, Abe-speak for God, is "pure, positive energy." I assume she means it, and that doesn't include tsunamis or anything else unwanted because, "no exceptions," our experiences are tied to our voluntary "vibrations." A smart guy like you should see that this is flimflam, and yet you don't. I wonder why.Your suggestion that, "Perhaps your version of love equaling being nice is inaccurate," just hangs out there without legs. So, what?Finally, you suspect I have an "axe to grind," but then cheerfully pass that allegation off and my "business." Just as quickly, you pivot and make it your business with a leading question about why I'm not doing a "million other things which could enrich your life." Although you try to cool your way out of it with a nifty "Just saying ;-)," I wonder who appointed you the judge about what might enrich anyone's life but your own. Maybe you can explain why you believe a writer would be better off ignoring the troubling underside of things and devoting his or her energies to something nice, like dolphins or flower-arranging. You obviously want people to believe you're a deep thinker. Let's see what you've got.

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      sirjack 2 years ago

      First, you are positing Abraham as an all-loving Entity. That is a mistake. Even if you assume that "God" is all-loving, you still have to account for the fact that Earthquakes and Tsunamis kill millions. Perhaps your version of love equaling being nice is inaccurate. Second, it seems like you have an axe to grind. Not sure why, but that is your business. Why would you waste your time on someone you see as a fraud rather than doing a million other things which could enrich your life. Just saying ;-) -with love, Jack

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @swimsportusa: Esther avoids this by repurposing what others have done, switching the wording and dumbing things down for her spiritually lazy audience. I suppose, if it ever came to that, she could try to claim something like channeling as a defense, but when you take something that's been in the public domain for decades and claim it as your own, who's to stop you? It's true that they were denied a trademark for "law of attraction," because their claim that they invented the term was a lie, but if their followers don't mind being deluded in pursuit of a cultish belief system, they can claim otherwise forever. On the other hand, their following has diminished greatly in recent years, leaving only a cross-section of groupies, mostly middle age and older women looking for some magic in their lives.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @swimsportusa: There really is a lot of merit in what Esther to say. She and Jerry culled it from a lot of impressive people from earlier decades. However, unlike with Seth or Theo, as examples, there's a darker downside, where what she calls "teachings" are exploited for profit. She and Jerry started out with some excitement about helping others, but when the money started rolling in, it was about helping themselves to other people's money. The stayed way out of bounds to sensationalize and oversimplify the truths they were lucky to have discovered.

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      swimsportusa 3 years ago

      After reading more comments regarding claims of plagiarism from other materials such as Seth, Norman Vincent Peele, etc., I wonder could it be they feel "channeling" information lets them off the hook? You could sue the Hicks, but you can't sue Abraham! The claims they make are not Esther and Jerry's and not material they are plagiarizing, it is merely an "entity" speaking through her. If so, that is pretty clever. I actually think the channeling makes them less universally appealing, and therefore limits their success, so perhaps that is the reason for it.

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      swimsportusa 3 years ago

      Just a few comments. I am actually relieved you provided evidence where Esther claiming to be channeling Abraham is really just Esther, as in her moodiness. After months of listening to her, I watched Seth videos on youtube, and it was very freakish and disturbing and I decided I want no part of this. Oh and also, I never know who Abraham was or what she was talking about at first. I thought she was just a regular self help speaker, she seems to give good advice. I believe there is merit to the LOA, however they are extremists and act like it is the supreme if not only law of the universe. Many laws of the universe influence reality and this is where her message is flawed. And like you say, it takes two to tango.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @buttress: Where do they get you guys from, anyway? You plunge in, repeating the same tired excuses, as if they've never been used before, and it repeats the same things so predictably, it seems rehearsed. Do you even know what hyperbolic means? Its ridiculous in the way you use it here.If you haven't seen or heard an example of abuse, as claimed, then you haven't read the article you're commenting on. If you want to make a case that it wasn't so bad or was somehow justified, that's fine, but that's different. And what do women and minorities sharing their life experiences have to do with it? In reality, Esther Hicks personal stories are among the best of what she presents. They are often humorous or gentle. Where she goes off the track is in another place. Its when she claims to be a direct channel for spiritual messengers from God that seem both insensitive and not very bright that she causes damage by misleading gullible, self-centered individuals into justifying their anti-social points of view.Your claim is that the words are uplifting, and that alone justifies anything Esther Hicks preaches. To use an extreme, but viable example, Hitler was uplifting for millions of people. The argument is ridiculous. The content of what someone says matters, whether its encouraging personal enlightenment or racial hatred. The fact that it inspires or uplifts is trivial. What effect does it have over all? Does it help or harm the community we belong to, no matter how selfish or unselfish we are individually? Is it generous to everyone or just a few clannish people who are looking to escape real life?Finally, I don't agree that Esther inspires very much. What she does is offer a cozy set of rationalizations and excuses that followers repeat among themselves, mantra-like, as if the statements are truths, but where the real goal is justify selfishness and withdrawal.

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      buttress 3 years ago

      Why is it that women and minorities who try to share their life experiences with the world are condemned. The "abuse" claimed here is hyperbolic. I've yet to really see or hear an example of it. My question to anyone is has she helped you in any way? to be more positive? given you more faith? given you a reason to make yourself feel good?She preaches nothing but Positivity, and even if she was a quack (which I don't believe), who cares? b/c whoever is speaking through her, Abe or Jerry, Jesus or Yoda) the words are uplifiting. We spend too much time worrying about the messenger instead of the message.

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      tahirmahmood 3 years ago

      What a story!

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @happy-birthday: Thank you, mrjones123. It was time to talk some truth. I lost some friends doing this, but I have not regrets. I think some people were helped.

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      Birthday Wishes 3 years ago from Here

      What a story! I don't know what to answer... Thanks you for sharing this great lens!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: I'm going to approve this comment because there is interesting information here that anyone considering this topic can gain from considering, although the comment is too long and not really on topic.I don't believe the case is well-made here, in spite of the passions. Linking your credibility to Esther and Abraham is not a big help to you as you've undermined a bit of their credibility in your own statements.I'm not convinced, but others might be. So, you get your chance to stand on the pedestal for a while.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, this isnt going to be short, but since it cuts to the heart of all of this, here goes. (-: Lets start from a One World perspective i.e. as if theres one version of the world we are share.When you understand it, channeling is as normal and natural as having breakfast. Everybody can. We all have as you say inner voices and inner guidance. All that's different about channeling, is to accept that there may be another consciousness involved and allow yourself to engage. Then it just happens. Of course, in this version of the world, that sort of accepting and allowing aint necessarily easy. Everybody I know who has started to channel always goes through a period of But is this just me? and Am I making this up? before accepting what's really going on.Having declared I would never channel, I sort of slid into it. It began after a long and earnest on-line chat session with a friend when at the end I typed And there is great love here for you and found tears pouring done my face. Those were not my words. Were my hands taken over? No. It just seemed like the right thing to type. It was accompanied by what felt like an internal presence of what, at the time, I called Abraham. The best way I can describe it is as a merging of consciousness. Esthers descriptions of her early experiences are entirely consistent with that.What channeling is, is unique to the channeler. For many its like throwing a switch and moving into collaboration mode. Often for me its more fluid. I get what I call an attack of the I-Wes. Ill be engaged in a conversation and sometimes it suddenly feels more appropriate to say we rather than I. (And WE of course are engaged in this discussion, but this one is sitting on us because he does not want to wrap himself in what may seem like an inappropriate cloak of superiority. But we are here).Right after Nina Ferrell and I started the LOA Club in 2008, two things astounded me (a) the number of different and highly detailed (and often contradictory) stories being told by different channelers, all of whom seemed genuine and sincere, and (b) the number of people who came to us saying I think Im starting to channel.Regarding (a), Nina was channeling Terah (renamed from Abraham to avoid conflict with A-H) and I asked what the hell was going on here. Their reply, logical of course when you think of it, was that each persons experience will match their point of attraction (their chosen belief systems), and that includes their non-physical as well as their physical experience.I have a former IBM colleague, Richard Presser, who channels Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Alexander the Great, Amelia Earhart and many more. He believes there is a Father God who lives behind the sun, and he proposed that 2012 was going to be the year of ascension. He is genuine in his beliefs. Its not what I (or Im guessing, you) would choose to believe, but his world will line up with those beliefs. All of our individual worlds do. In the club, our particular mission has become to understand the fundamentals or as we call them, the Absolutes those things that sit beneath, and are independent of, detailed belief systems and stories. Estherham, by the way, have always pretty much done that also.Regarding (b), many wanting to channel, this was a dilemma. Do we support them in their quest, in which case are we making ourselves obsolete? Encouraged by Terah we supported them, and that's one of our major programs now. Incidentally, everybody so far that has gone through that program has succeeded in channeling.Undoubtedly, Jerry and Esther had the same dilemma. Their response was different. They made a business decision which from then on to some extent put Esther on a pedestal. I remember in earlier days having brunch with them, and I questioned the somewhat jarring legalese at the start of each audio recording. Jerrys response was - Look at Deepak Chopra. He didn't do that and now he has himself in a mess of legal battles. Now anyone that understands the LOA knows Deepak can only be in a legal mess if that's where hes vibrating.So yes Dave, much of Jerrys business-first and sometimes very un-LOA behavior of course is exactly as you describe it. When they started out, Jerry would be at the door with his card table and credit card machine, and theres no doubt he was envisaging (attracting) a successful business even back then. At the start of the LOA Club, we reached out to them and were savagely rejected and threatened with legal action. Obviously we were a potential business threat. So theres no compulsion on my part to protect my guru. There is simply a desire to call it as it is, and acknowledge the huge part they played in my own journey of discovery. Theres no doubt in my mind that Esther is channeling, and doing it, by and large, very well.You teach. I teach. We all, at times, teach something. In this day of the Internet, you could say that all information is free. Never-the-less, some make it their profession to teach and they get paid to do it. Some become famous and make a lot of money doing it on a grand scale. No big deal in that its the American way. Some choose to do it quietly and for free. That's a choice. But making money at it does not make you a charlatan. And doing it for free does not make you more honorable. One of these days, my intent is to make some money from The LOA Club. That would be fun.Dave, most of that above is from a One World perspective. Your World and My World intersect somewhat, and this gives us each the illusion that we can talk logically about it as One World and these are all the things that are happening in it. But when you get down to it, the world you experience is uniquely yours. It will conform to your beliefs. Some things we have nailed down quite precisely each day will be exactly 24 hours. Some things you know will happen within a range, but you are setting the boundaries for all of that. Ultimately, Esther will be what you create her to be. You will always inhabit that version of the world wherein she conforms to your expectations. You are looking at a mirror.And .. there is much love here for you (and a few tears also).Me .. and them.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: Robin, I sympathize. I know you really want Esther to be a reliable channel. I did too, once, but she showed me something else.If you are intimately familiar with their story, then you know very well that she described having, first, her voice, then her hands taken over by an external force she came recognize as Abraham. The story has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.Let's just cover the hands. She says that she and Jerry were relaxing in bed when, all of a sudden, her hand started thumping her chest. I can quote you exactly what she says she told Jerry: "That's not me." Next, she felt compelled to go to the typewriter where her hands started tapping out letters with such force that Jerry was afraid she'd be injured. Optimist that you are, there is no way that was anything but her claim of being a takeover. Now, you say it never is. Was she lying, or are you wrong?The voice takeover was even more complete. Abraham just grabbed her vocal chords and started speaking through her on the highway. I didn't make this up. It's on the record. Again, was she lying, or are you you wrong?Because I believe your motivation is sincere and honest, you know what I think. But there are only two ways out of that dilemma.If you describe channelling as special messaging through one person who is a conduit of some kind, then I don't believe anyone does it. We all have inner voices and inner guidance. Only a select few claim to be special enough to charge the gullible for the privilege of sharing what they could already get for free.Do I think it's plagiarism? Maybe. First, they tried to tell everyone that "Abraham" brought them the special law of attraction. They even tried to make a trademark claim. They were turned down because the term had been in continuous use since the 1920s and the New Thought Movement as well as several of terms they "borrowed." Was it coincidence or plagiarism?Before going to see Sheila Gillette, whose Theo presentation was remarkably like Esther's Abraham, they wer reading Jane Roberts' Seth books. Yet, when Esther tells the story, she says she was nervous over Gillette's advice that they start meditating. She that was far out stuff. Now, keep in mind, she and Jerry had already been reading the Seth material. Seth talks about meditating all over the place. So, was she lying about reading Seth or about not knowing about meditation? This is significant because, as she tells it, this is where she first opened the door to Abraham. She suggests that Abraham picked her because she had no strong opinions about anything and was open to suggestion. Esther was raised by Mormons. Mormons do not raise people without strong convictions. It just doesn't work that way. Mormons are about as passionate about their faith and as clannish as any group ever.You think she does a "bloody good job." Fair enough. You have a right to that conclusion, but you don't have a right to back it up with falsehoods to protect your guru.Next, let's talk about how Jerry flipped of his wife's "teachings of Abraham" like his butt was on fire and ran to conventional medicine, just like I would, when he was hit with leukemia. He knew it was crap. So do I.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave,1. I'm intimately familiar with their story. When you channel it's an interesting experience, but it's never a takeover. You are reading what you want to read into those words. Best I can describe it, it's a merging of consciousness. Deep trance, light trance, no trance, enlightened being or otherwise, the channeler is always in control.2. You'll get no argument from me about A-H's priorities - it's always been business first, LOA teaching second. But whether you like it or not, they have been a major force promoting a good understanding of the LOA. You might say that being a successful enterprise was an important part of that.3. Re message coloration - those are my words and my experience. Esterham has never spoken of that - no doubt because of the aforementioned business motivations.4. The way you describe A-H, you make it sound.like purely commercial, regurgitated plagiarism. The bottom line is, does Esther channel? To me there's no doubt about that, and despite all of the above, she mostly does a bloody good job of it. All in all, methinks you protest too much.(-: Robin Retallick

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: You need to go back and read the story of how it all started again, robinmr. Esther's main story is that her hands and voice box were taken over involuntarily, her hands when she and Jerry were in bed one night and she had to get up and let them type out a message about writing a book together, her voice when Abraham spontaneously took it over while she and Jerry were riding in his caddy and being squeezed between trucks. The voice told him to take the next exit where they parked under a bridge while Jerry chatted with Abraham. That's their story. I didn't make it up.I understand the nature of what is claimed to be channelling very well. The "coloration" angle they came up with only after all the errors and contradictions got spotted. Before that, it was all "masters of the universe" with Esther simply getting "blocks of thought" she translated.I agree that there is much that comes from Esther that feels good, but it's all derivative, taken from others. None of the Abe stuff is original; so why bother with a version diluted for profit. There are many alternatives with a lot less baggage and a lot less angling for sales and revenue. I'd recommend ignoring all of it and go for more credible sources. Anita Moorjani and Eben Alexander would both be good people to start with. Both got a gift of enlightenment and turned it to helping others, not milking followers.

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      robinmr 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Esther has never claimed to have been chosen by anybody. Estherham has always maintained that anybody can channel anybody, and they can. You cannot understand what Esther is doing until you understand the nature of channeling. It is always a collaboration between the channeled entity and the channeler. It is never without some coloration from the channeler, sometimes a lot of coloration. I suggest you not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Take what feels good. That is your truth. For many (millions??), there is much from Estherham that feels good and rings true. Ignore the rest.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Depends on what you mean by "real." If the question is, has Esther Hicks been chosen as the voice for some "masters of universe," to speak for Jesus, Buddha, etc., as she claims, the answer is no, not even close.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Do you think any of that stuff is real?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @kathysart: It's a good tactic, Kathy. What is being sold is an amalgam of Seth Speaks, Theo, Napoleon Hill and some things Jerry and Esther came up with themselves. Their sources may be good, but their own stuff is mainly marketing.Thanks.

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      kathysart 4 years ago

      Gosh I did not know a thing about it. I like the ideas from Abraham Speaks and when I first heard the message I pulled what felt comfortable to me and left the rest.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for your reasoned comment, Donna.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I agree, but the writers opinion is equally valid allbeit in a different place. Thankfully you and I are agree, that feeling good is better and brings more:-) so we'll stick with that.x

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Easy, tiger lily. Are you into instant gratification or what? I don't instantly respond, especially when I have a cat in my lap who wants attention.I do think your words were wasted, though, because they don't make a convincing case for Esther's behavior without undermining her entire scheme. She was not acting as Esther. She was doing Abraham, and never once has she claimed that she was out of tune with Abraham while collecting big bucks on stage. Why invite doubt?And, of course, this article reflects my opinions on the subject. I wrote it and maintain it. You're free to do the same thing. I try to be objective, but what it comes down to is this: there is more than one side to the issue, and if you don't like this one, that's fine with me. But it is important to be aware and not swim in a sea of ignorance, immune to the fact that there are serious holes in the story.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, tiger lily, what you need to understand is that Estherham's abusing of audience members took place more than a year before Jerry fell ill, or at least when he admitted it. She, as Abraham, was getting off on it as were some of the less discerning, cult-like followers in the audience. She never showed an ounce of remorse, but she stopped it when she got bad feedback on the internet. Esther and Jerry did test-marketing on various things and also used sock puppets to build support through fake internet identities. When the test marketing was too negative, she dropped it like a hot potato.So, let's be clear. We're not talking about Esther. We're talking about what she claims to Abraham who claims to "know everything" and mocks human frailty. Certainly, you can excuse all this by claiming Esther was having a bad day, but why then was she performing without apology as Abraham? And if this channelling is so susceptible to Esther's moods, why on earth would anyone pay $195 to sit through a few hours of questionable babble or pay a monthly fee for recordings. How would one know what was good and what was bad?Esther and Jerry never promoted it that way, and what you're saying just sounds like an easy out rationale to keep from facing the truth. I predict you will around to it soon enough anyway, and for your benefit, the sooner the better.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Nevermind, I see this is not an open forum and comments are monitored for approval. Since my post was not bashing Esther Hicks or Abraham, and considering the comments you HAVE let post, I know mine will probably not be one of them. So my words were wasted. You, mister writer...have said more about YOURSELF in this article and the way you have it all set up, then you could ever say about anyone else. Have a good day.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      What the writer needs to understand, is that Esther Hicks is human, like all of us. She is NOT Abraham. She is susceptible to getting down and depressed like all of us. Of course, this can affect the connection she has with the Abraham energy. I'm not posting to reform anyone's thought pattern. But if there are some that are confused by this, you should keep in mind that perhaps it was easier for Esther to feel happy when her partner was "here". You don't know what people are going through and you can't judge someone else's journey by your own. State of mind is everything. And it is all individual.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @MariahS: Thanks, Mariah. Always a pleasure to hear from you.

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      MariahS 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Actually, Atsu, wanting physically proven evidence is not a problem. If we did not test anything in order to prove it, we'd still be using leeches for all kinds of illnesses. Addressing the legitimacy of something is not a waste of time. One needs to consider confirmation bias when considering if Esther Hicks' "teachings" are effective. The problem here is that the teachings are not effective. While some get along just fine (either because they are already doing well, or don't take Esther Hicks all that seriously) others waste or destroy their lives while trying to apply what she "teaches". I care about my fellow human beings, which is why I speak out against charlatans like Esther Hicks.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're rambled way off topic here, but your point is well-taken. The greatest motivator for most people is safety as they assemble the belief systems they chose to embrace. Only a small minority is most inspired by a passion to know.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      The problem with most people is that they wanna rely on how physically "PROVEN" something is before they can apply it themselves. No one is claiming that the teachings of Abraham are true or false. The question is what rings true for you as an individual. This is personal. Yet most will find ways to discredit anything no matter its origin. Which is really missing the point. The origin of the resource doesn't matter. That it is a scam or legit doesn't really matter. Does the information work for you or not? If it does good, if it doesn't that's also good. Too much wasted time addressing the legitimacy of something instead of attending to your own sanity and what makes you have an meaningful life experience.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Funny, Esther has always said it's supposed to be easy, Terry. And "looking at who you are seriously" isn't on her agenda. Either you got it wrong or you aren't actually following Esther.Oh, by the way, my daily meditation is very easy and deep. It's something I enjoy every day, and I never take any of it seriously. This is a joyride, plan and simple. Meditation helps you with directions.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Lazy? I don't think so, if you do the work, allow , meditate which I have been doing for about 20 years, being conscious of you feelings it is not easy. Looking at who you are seriously. Letting go of old patterns and start to allow not just in your mind but allowing with your whole body. I do it and it is work. Dave!!!!!!!! is writing for lazy people?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @JackCairns83: JackCairns83, maybe more than one. Shifting it up to lessons from the gods, though, that was genius.

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      JackCairns83 4 years ago

      These guys did well for a long time, I even bought it for a while when I was deluded and looking for answers to my problems. Here's my spin on "the law of attraction" which I posted on a forum recently, and thought to be very relevant to this discussion:"Its common sense, dressed up as pseudo quantum mechanics.Think about it, when you're in a state of "positive energy", basically that just means you are feeling positive emotions, and thinking positive thoughts. Of course, this then leads to positive behaviour and actions, which both creates a positive response from others AND filters out the negative (things don't bother us very much when we're in a great mood and we just keep focusing on what's good)So in other words "the law of attraction" is real, but it's just presented in a way that's filled with pseudo science and hyped up marketing.Hmmmm... I wonder if anyone realized all this, and decided to try make money from it...."

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I agree with you, Tess, and it's surprising that nobody has seriously looked into the enterprise as they have with Scientology. Studies show that transparency only strengthens cult-following by reinforcing paranoia and fantasies of exceptionalism. It might stem the flow of new followers, however. Thank you for your comment.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Tess, the real genius was in the marketing. They had little enough new to say, and much of what they did have to say was hijacked from others and sold as wisdom from the gods. It was never as harmless as the cult likes to claim, but it was deliberate evil either. It was just greedy to the point of insufficient concern about their influence on vulnerable others.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      It becomes a vortex of a spin on an idea of taking an idea and spinning it so you benefit. Monetarily the Abraham-Hicks foundation benefits, end of story. That is the same way AMWAY approaches thngs, and most corporations that accept money. That is what this is all about. I agree that anything you vest yourself in should be truly investigated and understood, and then yes, take away what works for you but also be educated and knowledgeable in what you are listening to and acting on or we all may as well just call ourselves sheep and keep behaving in the herd mentality.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Sounds like Jerry and Esther Hicks learned the process well from AMWAY. They have the same kind of methods and it all boils down to the cash it generates into their retirement accounts no matter how good intentioned they were in the beginning.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      John, I submit that understanding what channeling is is a necessary first step in understanding "Esterham" and I offer the following. As you suggest, many think of channeling as an entity taking over your body. But of all the possible descriptions of channeling, psychic possession seems to me to be the least helpful. There are as many versions of channeling as there are people who do it, but none of them truly involve take-overs. Composers channel. Artists channel, Athletes in the "zone" channel. Speaking as one who said he would never channel only to discover that he could and would (and it's really no big deal - everyone can and in fact, does), I would say it's more translating than channeling, and yet even that word is not really it. Perhaps it's best described as collaborating, and as with any collaboration, the beliefs, opinions and vocabulary of both parties will be formative of the output. If you can "get" that, then you will begin to see Esther perhaps in a different light - not perfect - with all the imperfections we all have and that are often highlighted in this lens - but she's been an important voice to many.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting and original comment, John V. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Great lens! Thanks for showing the underbelly of the Hicks phenomenon. Some people who claim to have psychic abilities apparently make a differentiation between telepathic type communication, where they are simply communicating with something (like an angel or animal or whatever), and channeling, which is said to be inviting an actual entity into your body to take it over. Some say that inviting an entity in is psychic possession, and good beings will never agree to do this. Could this explain some of the Hicks inconsistencies? What do others think? This article talks about these ideas a little more: www.lipstickmystic.com/channeling-is-bad-news/

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @chanel-linder: chanel-linder, you're missing the point that audiences are supposed to be getting Abraham, not a grieving woman with chaotic, evasive responses. Nobody is paying to $195 a hit to commiserate with Esther's grieving, whether she made fun of others for the same thing or not. She has never retracted or apologized, by the way, but how could she when it was supposed to be infinite intelligence all along.If Esther has 24X7 access to Abraham, why would she be more flawed and less concerned about the feelings of others than most others? Why wouldn't she show some humility and empathy? It's all a show about Esther Hicks and the followers are simply hooked, like viewers at a soap opera where their reward is feeling superior to to all the losers not inside their circle.

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      chanel-linder 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I am really not trying to make a pitch for Esther, and I don't think she deserves special treatment. And yes she did do all of that stuff that is true. But until you personally lose someone very close to you, you will never understand how someone can suffer. And apparently she didn't understand before, but I am sure she does now.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @chanel-linder: chanel-linder, you seem to have either not read the content here or you ignored it in order to make a pity pitch for Esther.For the record, Esther many times mocked people publicly for grieving over lost loved ones. It boggles the mind why followers think she should be treated differently than what she tosses at everyone else. She actually bragged about being "so disrespectful" and referred to death as croaking with a brainless laugh.Cult followers can rationalize almost anything in order to stay in concert with their sacred cows. Ask her to explain what was so different about Jerry's death and the others, including the 3,000 victims of 9/11 she made fun of? She will never answer. She demands special treatment.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Rhonda, so does a concussion, and I'm not pitching in favor of head injuries either.

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      chanel-linder 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I think that this is so unfair calling Esther a train wreck? Her husband died and I guess you have never lost anyone close to you so you have no understanding of the pain involved and I can see her grief very much. I guess you really believe in kicking someone when they are already down.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I think that Abraham Hicks has helped many people, because it actually helps you get a completely different perspective on the different trials and tribulations of life. Why should you knock something like that?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @AstroGremlin: Good point. I've noticed the similarity before.Thanks for your comment.

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      AstroGremlin 4 years ago

      May I suggest that everyone watch the film Elmer Gantry (1960) with Burt Lancaster? When the spiritual and the financial mix.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, there you go. You see what you want to see. Did it ever occur to you that you don't need a guru to be happy? That you could do it yourself without becoming a fan or follower?And, I'm sorry to say, in true Aber fashion, you didn't answer the question you responded to, which was what about the tough love approach? That had nothing to do with love, appreciation or peace (which Esther rejects as a goal, by the way). When you think about it, your "good laugh" is dependent on a limited view of life. It's far from praiseworthy to be in denial as foundation for joy. Objectively, it's a little weird.Come on, now, enjoy the fullness of life with all its quirks and unexpected interruptions. Esther and her followers misunderstand the "law of attraction" and use it as way to avoid life, rather than engage. That's what immature intellects do to defer growing up. But I hope that changes, for you and others. We need more adults in the world, not fewer. Get up out of your chair and tackle the big world with some enthusiasm. Let all the silliness that's so easy to fall for pass.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Consider finding things to appreciate about AH. They have brought joy to many, many people. They encourage showing appreciation for the world, finding love for yourself and others, focusing on peace. Those can't be "bad" things. Messages of love, appreciation, and peace are not a "scam." Nothing wrong in my book with making A LOT of money bringing a message of joy, freedom, and faith. If you look for the beauty in the message, you just might find it.Yes, clearly, I am a fan. That doesn't make me a nut case or mean I have been brainwashed. I have to laugh, because you are clearly proving the point of the Abe teachings. As you focus on what you consider to be the "flaws" of AH, you will find flaws.I love the irony that your writings prove the truth of the AH teachings: you get what you focus on, whether you want it or not.I focus on fun and got a good laugh. I appreciate it.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @WriterJanis2: Thanks. It really kept my attention, good and bad, for a long time. It's a pretty fascinating phenomenon.

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      WriterJanis2 4 years ago

      Wow. I know at this point I should leave a well thought out comment, but I can't. There is way to much to think about and you have certainly put a different spin on things. Very well written.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @Gypzeerose: Wow you got it, she is human before anything else and a grieving one. she like everyone else can not be in a feeling good place and get back to that place. She is not perfect and neither is anyone including the critiques. Why should she not charge $200 for her sessions when psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, life coaches etc. under whose supervision I am sure more than one person has committed suicide charge much more PER HOUR. If someone is suicidial to start off with & very depressed, why is it supposed to be a guarantee or even ester's responsibility to save them every time? As far as I am concerned people die under doctor's hands and those that go to school like psychiatrists that charge people for years also. so should they not be charged with criminal charges considering they are claiming to be professionals. I think it's not at all clear except perhaps to someone very close to the person that committed suicide here why it happened & in no way can you assume or blame Esther & their teachings for it directly, however when someone dies, out of anger I am sure who ever was their last hope is the easiest party to blame. I am in no way 100% saying esther/abe/jerry are a 100% right or wrong, however, there have been many times I have come away feeling specifically for your information, feeling less depressed, happier, more motivated to move on after a relationship breakup, after having a very stressful situation at work, after family problems, and she has in fact with her motivation in these SPECIFIC examples helped me (if you truly listen & are open) feel better, be more productive, move on more quickly from a negative event that happened to me in my life and also at the same time think for myself & follow my own intuition by not making my life about following esther & abe but using their free teachings on utube when needed to motivate, encourage & move me ahead in life, instead of being stuck. I agree don't blindly buy all their products or go to their seminars and pay what ever like a blind follower (just like you should not be blind follower of any major religion that are filled with flaws and cause of not one suicide but wars killing many), however, as long as you are NOT addicted to any teachings & have flexible open beliefs you are willing to evolve with IF THEY WORK, then go with what works for you. At the end of the day don't follow anything completely & don't dismiss anything completely if you want to evolve as a human being and most of all if something works and could help someone, don't discourage it because of 1 person and 1 suicide. Like I said more people have died under care of a psychiatrist/psychologist or doctor that we don't even hear from, who charge way more money & I see no reason why someone who may have discovered (I am not saying I am convinced, but it is possible, and I will leave it open to myself to decide fully if it is or not) that someone can meditate and be able to connect with a source of energy within them to create & bring forth positive things to everyone. If the source of the god everyone speaks of is within each individual, why wouldn't be possible for someone (as imperfect as ALL of us) to not be able to have a message; don't forget jesus, moses, mohamad were just people too, and why wouldn't others other than prophets or even esther be able to attain a spiritual level to be able to help others in some profound way? And why should anyone who is running a business that is helping people be expected to be perfect grieving for her husband and not be given a break? she is human first and I would think even she cannot always stay in a +ve feeling place, exactly because she is NOT perfect & I am ok with that. because when she is well like all people that have god/source/spirit in them, she will be able to help /be more onto something & helping others, and when she is not feeling it, maybe we should leave her alone, and wait for her to be in a better feeling place before attending any seminars. In the meantime the wealth of free info helps in very specific cases & does work at least for some of us, without feeling the need to follow them or be worshippers of anything or anyone, and that does not exclude other belief systems /religions, etc. I say listen with an open mind, don't judge but don't force to accept anything that is too much for you to grasp either. Use what works for you, don't use what doesn't, don't get addicted to the material, and at the end of the day you are responsible for your life and managing it, no one else so don't give too much credit or blame anyone either for what happens to you. If you are skeptical about their material start with their free material first and if you see it helping you in a concreate way, then use their other materials. You may also find that by meditating and just using the utube videos your life is better, without u making anyone rich. If you go to a seminar etc. let it be your choice or gut feeling that it will help you, if you are unsure, or have a pretty good handle on life already , don't go, but if feel strongly there is an important message do go; if you do go don't expect miracles, use the ideas in part or however you see fit, if they help you. If they don't leave it & find your answers where you see fit, but be very honest at least with yourself regarding where your strong emotions against or for someone come from. I have no problem with abe/esther making money if they are helping people, no matter how crazy their methods may seem to those that are not open to ideas & hold on for dear life the ideas/beliefs they already have internalized all their lives.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I have to be honest that I did write the comment from a place of annoyance .... Not very Abey ! I'm not what I'd call " an Aber " but I do find the essence of the message uplifting and I have noticed a change in my approach to life since I've started to apply the 'teachings' . I don't really care if it's channeled or conceived, the message is a good one and I enjoy it enormously and that being said I suppose I shouldn't care if someone analyzes the discrepancies . I guess this was my version of " leave Britney alone!" Ha ha. As I said you are a great writer , my overal gripe is purely the amount of energy we humans expend on the stuff we don't agree with . I've observed moments when I've thought " wait a minute... did you slip a little there Esther? " but , as I said, the message works for me , it's not a bad thing, it's a good thing ! So I let it go. Channeling is a mysterious phenomenon and I can't prove whether its real or not , I believe that there is more to the universe than just physics, we are discovering more and more . Stuff that was considered magic in another century is now part of our everyday lives so I choose the open minded approach . I'm rambling so I thank you for the response and as a footnote , the anti-aging cream thing , wouldn't you agree that the subject is irrelevant when talking about a claim that under scrutiny appears to be false?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Paul, you're missing the point of why writers do what they do. Our job is to research subjects of interest and report accurately and interestingly on what we find. There is no reason any of us have to be "riled" or even especially motivated. It's a job, and the less emotionally invested you are, the more likely you are to get it right.I disagree with your point that, since it's irrelevant whether she's channeling or blowing smoke, since she is conveying a positive message. Channeling is at the very core of what she does. It isn't just a matter of a "think positive" message. There's a garden industry of pitch men and pitch women with that angle, going back at least a hundred years to the New Thought Movement from which Jerry and Esther took the term "law of attraction" and tried copyrighting it as their own.What makes Esther's efforts worth serious consideration is her claim to be a messenger from God or "Source," in her words. In a recent workshop, speaking as Abraham, she said she was the same as Buddha and Jesus and spoke for them. Without passing judgment whatsoever on the validity of that claim, it certainly makes it a worthwhile topic for readers to know about and consider.Imagine if this is true it's a game changer. A genuine messenger qualified to speak on behalf of God, Jesus, Buddha, Seth, etc. (her direct claim, not mine) raises the stakes. That claim is too big not to take a long look at it. Unfortunately, from my point of view, an objective review of the voice of "infinite wisdom" shows that, if what they claim to be, Abraham is one of the dumbest groups of eternal beings in the universe. They don't understand evolution or even know what String Theory is. They are so lame, even an intimate like Jerry ignored what they had to say about health and wellness when he was diagnosed with cancer.But that's just my opinion. Since the initial creation of this article, I've waited in vain for a single Aber to explain where there is a flaw in my thinking. Instead, most like you object to the subject being written about at all, and there's a surprisingly large number of angry Abers who seem offended that their guru is being looked at objectively.I think interested people ought to be able to consider all sides and make their own informed decisions. I assume you have no objection to open discussions.As for skin creams and the stunning Andie McDowell, there's no comparison. Everyone knows what an ad is and her appearances pretend to be nothing more than that. Esther doesn't claim to be making what we used to call "salesman's puffs." She isn't advertising. She's claiming to be a direct conduit from God. Even you'll agree that might have a little more heft than claims about anti-aging creams.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      You obviously are very passionate about debunking these people. Why?! Why is it so important to list all things that are wrong with the picture? Surely you could be using your talents as a writer ( you write very well) to create something worthwhile . I understand that that the subject matter " riles " you but what is the point of writing this? What do you gain personally from presenting a list of " stuff that's wrong" ? The Hicks show can be construed as a spiritual event , messages from " god" , innocent parlor tricks, a support group, life coaching , whatever.... All that aside, what does it matter whether Esther is channeling the universe or not , whether its acting or not .... The general messages are " be happy " " think positive thoughts" " listen to your gut feeling" ; what threat is that to the world that you feel,the need to tear it down ? " yeah but , she says you can think and feel shit and then it comes true and that's NOT true! It doesn't work that easy" ... Well , I'm looking forward to seeing a well written article about L'oreal cuz that wrinkle cream doesn't work! Andie McDowell is out to screw us all over with her soft focused glowing complexion! I'm just saying , people feel good about something so why put so much effort into demolishing it ?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Very good critique. I'm neither for or against "Abraham" or anyone involved in that. The only thing with me was that at times I found it wordy, roundabout, and difficult to understand. And yes, I agree that at times "Abraham" or whoever was rather abrasive with people. I read the thread that you mentioned and you were right- they all seemed to say the same thing: that the man in question was not "aligned", whatever that means. I think that the idea of helping yourself and understanding love is always good. However, cashing in on it is a bit sinister. I don't think Jerry (r.i.p) or Esther are bad people by any means, but I do think that, especially now that Jerry is dead, their approach might not have been the best one. I appreciate and applaud you for having the courage to write and critique the whole "Abraham-Hicks" thing. What are our beliefs if they are not challanged?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Catherine, if you can contain your Aber Anger long enough to scroll on down you will see a link to the Abe Forum where Esther's behavior was discussed at length. Esther never denied the tough love approach nor did the Forum followers. She just stopped doing it because it made people uncomfortable.Who's actually trash talking with her head up her... well, never mind where. It just seems you're so determined to defend your severely flawed guru that you started spitting and fuming without bother to check the facts.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This is really a terrible,vague, baseless piece of trash talk. You cite no examples of Esther humiliating anyone, abusing anyone, or displaying bad behavior. You just say she did so and expect the reader to agree with you. But there is no proof. The only concrete example is the text from the e-mail, which in no way can be construed as offensive, abusive, etc. This piece just sounds like an angry person trying to insult someone or something they don't know or understand. It is bizarre that you wasted your time writing it.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What Esther and Jerry have come up with over the years has many valuable points. The trouble is that none are original and each is used to draw followers to product and workshop sales. In order to juice that effort, they juiced what were valuable ideas from the New Thought Movement into pablum for the spiritually lazy.Thanks for your thoughts.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      A very intelligent, successful friend turned me on to AH. I didn't get why supreme intelligence is concerned with selling books, CD's, etc. through a couple in Texas. Amazing how people hear what the want to hear and believe what they want to believe. Thanks for the critique.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you, MarkoG. That's the best any writer can hope for.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      As an interesting read.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Willim: Thanks, Willim. I'm glad you stopped by and took a look.

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      Willim 4 years ago

      great job.....Perfect

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Exactly right, Austin. Under Jerry's wing, she has burnished up the act, but without him, she's a bit of a train wreck.One of the most interesting things I've seen is what amounts to an infomercial from the 90s, billed as an "interview" on YouTube, that was set up to make their case for Abraham taking over Esther's body, vocal chords, thoughts, hands, whatever they were trying to get across. During this "interview," which involved only Esther and Jerry telling the story, Jerry repeated has to interrupt, a little peaved, to get her back on point. She really was all over the place with a story he'd scripted and wanted her to follow. She got better later on, but this was an interesting look at them in the development stage.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Those who have paying attention know that along with her positive work through the years she's also a bit of a nutter. First heard her on radio in the early '90's when she 'channeled' a Scottish accent. You can fool some of the people some of the time. Then you need to know when to let someone else do it. The waves of Del Mar have been calling.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @gaser983: Thanks. It was a lot of work in the making and lot of flack from Abers ever since. I appreciate your comment.

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      gaser983 4 years ago

      Very nice lens, great job!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for your thoughtful contribution, Ali.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Greetings! I've read a few of your blogs criticizing A-H and I must say you're quite proficient as a critic and a writer. I think some of the questions you raise are justified and only logical, so it would make sense they get answered. Though they probably won't, ever.I've known about A-H for a while, but I never really got hooked up. I came to the conclusion that "an all-knowing being answering our questions through a person" just sounds rather absurd and it would be wise to keep a distance. However, I can and do understand where all the followers are coming from. I'd say in today's world, people are desperate to find meaning and something to hold on to. I don't begrudge them because of that.On the other hand, the insane reactions you quoted seem ridiculous. You're right: someone who has been tagging along for so long should know better (or feel better, calmer, whatever) than to attack and try to humiliate someone who doesn't agree. Furthermore, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously if you can't offer rational, objective arguments for your standpoint. It's sad how most people can't do sh.. when it comes to it, instead opting for insulted, emotional and slightly violent responses, instead. That always made me think people are... well. Losers in their own right. All emotions are beyond rational and if you're incapable of separating them from a rational response, don't even bother trying to prove your standpoint. It's pointless, because there aren't any facts or logic. Besides, how is such a response possibly vortex? ;) Apparently almost 20 years weren't enough to penetrate some thick skulls...What mostly bothered me with the responses or answers on videos found online, however, was the evasiveness. If someone asks a direct question, and you're an all-knowing being, why not answer it accordingly? All this dancing around gets irritating and definitely belies the status of an all-knowing entity. I've been to Dalai-Lama event once and well, old man answered directly, to the point and yet with words that reached more than just th individual with the question... he retained his sense of humor, witty remarks and quips were there, but not once was he mean, even when a woman had a very ridiculous question. I'm a sceptical, nihilistic and analytical person and I can't bring myself to blindly follow... well, anything. But the old man just IS incredibly charming and I respect him and what he has to say. I couldn't find any of it stupid (talking about the said event). But to return to A-H... I have to say all-knowing doesn't fly with me. I think universe is too vast to know everything, immortal, ascended or whatever it is you are. And A-H have so far, in certain answers, shown that they don't know everything. So they can't possibly know everyone's thoughts and pick those who benefit the whole group and I agree with your argument: assuming some people don't learn other than with though love really has no proof whatsoever. I think that is really unnecessary... it seems more like a person who desperately wants to keep up the image of a sweet, witty person with funny remarks, but can't find the right measure of it and takes it too far. That's how I see it...But I can't say I disagree with everything Esther said. I did find myself inspired by some of her words, despite having to overlook the whole "all for sale" fiasco. That's something I don't get, either: if you're all knowing, wise, and whatnot creature being chanelled through an individual, claiming to want to HELP as many people as possible... why the outrageous prices? Hm? Yes, you must know how to value your work. But most people don't have all that money to participate in those cruisings and such. Well, I think many people won't be able to follow my line of thought and I should probably explain my question better, but this comment is long enough as it is, so let me wrap it up.As stated, some teachings, or whatever people call them, are indeed inspiriting, motivating and make you feel better. I experienced this, myself and I think that helps. I figured people often need a bit of motivation, a push forward and a raise of spirits to dare doing a few things. So if they get it out of that, good for them. Great for them, if it works and gives them something! As far as that goes, I'm not opposed to A-H. And you can get this from free videos on youtube, so I guess it's the original prurpose of Abe. It helps, it teaches you something new, it motivates you, makes you feel better... aaaaand it's literally available to a lot of people for free, basically to everyone with the internet.But, I refuse to buy everything they claim. And I think hard-core followers should re-think their stand point. It doesn't really clicque with what Abe teaches them, anyway. Anyone needing someone to guide them through life as much, causing him/her to get so worked up by possibly criticism or disagreement, has lost a healthy amount of scepsis that naturally accours because we have something called "rational mind." That means he/she is too involved in this whole thing, has lost own perspective and is incapable of letting go, should the need arise (also something THEY teach). That is how we get a whole lot of brain-washed sheep, all going in the same direction under their respected leader. I figured we don't need that. It's the diversity, also in opinions, that drives us forward, so criticism should be accepted and discussions led without so much emotional baggage. The most effective discussions are ones when there are no winners, but different standpoints are productively discussed and presented to people... with respect. If you are to accept things and other creatures and whatever... you should be capable of accepting someone who disagrees without needing to cut him down.My thoughts on the subject. :)

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I understand. I meditated every day, and it makes a world of difference, more and more as time passes. I don't normally use any guides or special music, just making sure I pick a peaceful time where I won't be interrupted. When I have used a guide, it's been Andrew Weill, whose CD I've owned for a long time, very peaceful and directed. More recently, I've tried Ahnalira Koan's meditations on CD. I thought they were really terrific and expanded my awareness beyond what I got on my own. I don't listen now, but I do use some of the guidance from hers. Both Weill and Koan are available on Amazon. Good luck and happy meditating. It really is important to establish a practice.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,I just bought Getting Into The Vortex meditation CD which I quite like, but now I'm not sure if I should continue to listen to it. What else would you recommend; I really want some kind of meditation practice in my life. Thank you.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Stella, thank you for your wise words. One thing that the Bible also says is to beware of false prophets. Another thing we read about over and over again is Yeshua's healing of those lame, blind and even possessed. When someone allows themselves to become a "conduit" for a "spirit", no matter what it says its name is, they are actively opening themselves up to being possessed. These malignant spirits ALWAYS appear as friendly initially, or else, we would never invite them in. There is much scripture on this as well. We would ALL be wise to remember that neither Yeshua nor Our Holy Father above EVER asked us to surrender conscienceness to them. Quite the contrary, we are invoked to be wise as serpents and to stay alert to false prophets, and the one that seeks to devour our souls. I would venture to say, Esther is in trouble with good ole' Abraham and it is taking a toll on her.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting that, although you claim to have discovered A-H only "a few months ago" that you've already learned the standard company excuses. The "Esther filter" idea. If what you say is accurate, why should anyone pony up all that money when what she delivers in her Abraham persona is unreliable? She never claimed that. The very basis of "the teachings" said she was chosen by Abraham because she was so totally unbiased. Okay, it was a nonsense claim. She was raised by Mormons, very passionate people in their beliefs. But unbiased by nature was how she pitched it. It's dishonest to now claim the opposite to explain all the contradictions and lack of awareness.You say, "sometimes people need tough love. There are some people who just won't change without it." That's judgment on your part, without even knowing the people involved. Just excuse-making. If this were true, how come she stopped when there was open criticism of her public cruelty? Face it, it was a trial run, something they've done before. It flopped; so, she stopped. Jerry was still around then and probably told her to stop. It didn't fit the fictionalized, all-patient, all-knowing Abraham to intentionally pull people from the audience, just to beat them up in public.Intense reliance on "the teachings" certainly contributed to Ari's death. Abers love to crow about all the great things they've gotten from following Esther, usually without a shred of evidence (including you), but when things go bad, it's time to blame the victim. They just weren't "letting it in," right? Esther Hicks preaching about how "It's supposed to be easy" leaves people with real emotional and psychological issues feeling even more like failures. But don't look for sympathy from Esther or her narcissistic followers. Empathy is in short supply in the cult. (And by the way, you picked up that story elsewhere, not in this lens.)According to you, "You claim that they teach you to listen to them rather than your own guidance." Teachers do encourage you to follow their instructions, and Esther Hicks has introduced numerous technics, like "virtual reality" and "focus wheels." You claim is disingenuous because, if listeners were not expected to take her advice, why pay $195 a shot to be told again what she has been saying for 25 years. There's cult reinforcement, of course, but more to the point, these are rituals followers are expect to repeat. And they do. Just check out the forum.Next phony issue. Instead of dealing with the core question of why, when he was diagnosed with cancer did Jerry not follow the Abraham guidance and be cured "in less than an afternoon," as Esther is on record claiming? You're in good company. The sock puppets A-H sends over try to avoid the question by answering something never asked instead. You could only have avoided knowing that Jerry wanted to live longer by refusing to read or believe what he said himself. Was he lying? Even after his diagnosis, he claimed to be feeling better all the time and had long ago declared his intention to live to be 120. Instead, it was the conventional 84. Like you, Esther and her insiders simply change the question as a way of answering. Try to listen: nobody but Jerry made a claim about his preference to survive or claimed to know what was going on in his thoughts. Conveniently, though, you and the cultist quickly suggest that he may have wanted to die. Then, why did he insist otherwise and undermine the very "teachings" that made him and his wife rich? No answer, right? Of course not. Truth is something you guys will never accept.As for your final paragraph, it echoes many other claims, including those Jerry Hicks engineered on Amazon and other online forums, that are aimed at establishing credibility without a single piece of evidence. What was your "training in the hard sciences?" "Skepticism" brought you to the "brink of suicide - multiple times?" Skepticism is nothing more than questioning and should strengthen understanding and knowledge. Only in the world of A-H is understanding and knowledge the enemy. Look the other way is another way of saying, "Reach for the next best thought." Reality isn't so bad. Try it. It hasn't led me to the brink of suicide. I love the richness of life, all of it, as an example of the dynamics of creation. Being partially blind by choice is not a healthy option.Finally, you claim that teaching such as the Hicks, making the obvious Freudian slip (It's supposed to be Abraham's teachings, not Esther and Jerry's.) brought you to "a very productive place (money, relationships, lack of any suicidal thoughts, and so on). Yet, you haven't a single example. More important, you relate first to money. Haven't we all learned by now that money has nothing to do with happiness? Oops, sorry. That's Esther Hicks reality, where money is happiness, not enlightenment, all by itself. Typical of A-H envoys, you make broad claims without any evidence to support them. This makes it easier to digest for followers who might have doubts. It also makes it obvious that your comment was planned and organized in advance by those interested in rebuilding Esther's badly damaged credibility and helping her bring back her shrinking audiences. You did better than most, but you never respond directly to the questions raised and you make up excuses for convenience. When will the folks organized around Esther come to understand that being upfront and honest works and taking followers to be shallow sycophants who will buy any pitch is an ethical way to go about promotions?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Even if Esther is channeling, that channel is filtered through Esther's mind and experience. Just like your TV signal is filtered through the TV. If your TV is a tiny, ancient black and white unit that runs on vacuum tubes, the picture isn't going to be as clear.... All you folks who are claiming she's a scam don't seem to consider this quite simple point... We are getting interesting info, but it is going to be colored by the translator - just like translations of books written in other languages can change the meaning of things, we can naturally expect that Esther puts her own flavor into it.Of course, what she says should be considered with some caution - ANY person who is giving advice should be received with appropriate caution, and if they advise something against your own values, then IGNORE IT. It's really that simple, folks! Now, to some specific points you make:- That she's mean: sometimes people need tough love. There are some people who just won't change without it.- That her teachings led to a suicide: this is a bogus claim if there ever was one. The Abraham phenomenon has 10's of thousands of followers around the globe, and many of those come to be followers because they're having tremendous challenges in their lives to begin with. We have no way of knowing how distraught this person was to begin with, but it's quite likely she was facing severe challenges before she discovered Abraham, and that she needed some more direct help than the impersonal seminars/tapes can provide. And an online forum is no place for dealing with severe crisis to the level of suicide. It is unfortunate if the forum moderators deleted her after the fact.... but who knows why they did that. Maybe out of respect for her? Ever consider that? Manic depression and major depression can come on in a massive way, and it is foolish to think that just listening to tapes 2 hours a day (or whatever) is enough to prevent that. The real question to ask: would this poor lady have killed herself anyway, if she hadn't encountered Abraham? Did Abraham help her live a happier life for the time that she did have left here on Earth? Those are the only truly important questions!- You claim that they teach you to listen to them rather than your own guidance. Apparently you've never listened to Abraham, because they're constantly harping on listening to your own inner guidance system! It is the number one message: to find thoughts and actions that take you to a better feeling place. To NOT listen to anyone else, but to listen to what makes YOU and only YOU feel better.- That the death of Jerry is somehow a sign of the scam. Hey, I know plenty of people who get to a point in their 80's where they've had enough of this life. How can you know what Jerry's feelings were, and whether he really wanted to stay here in physical form? You assume that he *wanted* to live longer, but your assumption isn't based on any facts that I've seen: just bogus assumptions. I've seen plenty of people get to a point where they're ready to move on, after experiencing a very full life (which Jerry did).I only discovered the Hicks' a few months ago, and I came from quite a "skeptical" background (with lots of training in the hard sciences). The skepticism was what brought me to the brink of suicide - multiple times. Teachings such as the Hicks' have brought me from the brink into a very productive place (money, relationships, lack of any suicidal thoughts, and so on). You can have your skepticism and tearing down... but realize that you're not actually helping.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I found her videos on youtube and benefited from some of her teachings...the teachings she stole from the mouth of Jesus, who said "as a man thinks so shall he be". What gave me my first inkling was a video about the purpose of animals on the planet...I have 2 dogs and been involved with animal rescue since a child what she said clearly indicated she had NO idea what she was talking about. That animals do not know they die, they are here to be food blah blah blah. My dog died in my arms from cancer...believe me they know. And then the explanation why we don't get what we want, it is because we are not in vibrational harmony and many will die and never manifest their desires for this reason...well that's a reassuring thought. I have manifested over and over...all my life...because I meditate and I am very sensitive to energy vibration, and I know it is true. I have thought about things and within a short time it has manifested. I never realized who Abraham was until just now. That it was a collection of spiritual beings speaking through this Esther. I am amazed how people will fork out money for all this 'enlightenment' and how to get there. Try reading the teachings of Jesus. He shows you how to get there. he preached that we are all connected, all brothers and if we believe, if our faith is strong enough, we can move mountains. Jesus was the original quantum physicist. All these people do is leave out the Jesus aspect because it sells to more people. They make it neutral. This is not a new and clever discovery. And any law of the universe must work all the time for everyone..special tools should not be required. The Law of Gravity works for everyone, all the time. It does not matter if I believe it or not. It is. Anyway, I was glad to come across these blogs about her. now I understand why I thought some of her videos were nonsense. Thanks!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I don't usually enjoy reading "debunking" articles, but I must say, you are a skilled writer. 10 out of 10 for style, structure, and so on. I mean it. However, I do think that you are wrong, but never mind, eh?! Whatever makes the world go round.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave said...Then, she found herself in a position of facing her abusive ex-husband at her husbands wedding correction~her son's weddingalso...The trail of her threads ended a few days before the wedding, correction~her last post was the day before the wedding, nervous over seeing the ex but doing her aber best bc she was excited for her son. That post was removed but not her previous post. Reason we can best guess is her last post she was doing good aber...the next day after her son's wedding she went home and killed herself. Repeatedly asking Marc, co admin of the forum, when he appeared on Kyra's blog to dispute claims of forum control, to explain why her removal as a member and last post were ignored...over and over again.http://kyrasdiary.blogspot.com/2012/01/abe-forum-b...

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: In brief, Ari came to the Abe Forum (controlled by Esther and Jerry through David Gordon), talking about her problems, including a prior bout with breast cancer, difficult financial challenges and bouts of depression. She said she'd been listening to A-H tapes at least two hours a day for two years. For the next 18 months, she was very active on the Forum, giving and receiving advice and trying all the practices (focus wheels, etc.). Her up days and down days were adressed in the same way, with talks about finding a better feeling thought and other encouragement as you can imagine. Jodi Baron, a longtime A-H stalwart who helped her boyfriend, Gordon, martial the forum to keep it a great marketing platform.Anyway, after nearly two years, she was still in trouble but keeping upbeat, even encouraging others dealing with depression to follow Abraham's "teachings." Then, she found herself in a position of facing her abusive ex-husband at her husbands wedding and worried about being able to buy a nice-looking outfit. She was sweet, not feeling sorry for herself. The trail of her threads ended a few days before the wedding, and within a short time after others on the forum learned of her suicide. Baron at least, she was the one who was public about it refused to allow any discussion of this very active member's death, and the Forum took the exceptional step of deleting her as a member. Her comments on the threads over the years remained, but they were hard to find. Her lovely icon was replaced by a generic "guest" icon. It was covered up for what I believe are obvious reasons.I discussed it in detail on Seekyt in Did Abraham Hicks kill Ari? You can find a link above, just before the yellow post it note, or you can copy and paste this link into your browser: http://seekyt.com/did-abraham-hicks-kill-ari/

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Dave - I am unfamiliar with what happened to Ari. Was this recent?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you, Bella. When you write that "when something like this happens we get scared so we have to find some way for it to make sense," I think you've hit the bullseye on why Esther Hicks is dangerous. Followers are so unable or unwilling to look elsewhere (or within themselves) for answers. What Esther preaches is shallow and unrewarding, for the most part, but once hooked followers keep repeating the mantras as if they contain some rare truths. They don't. Please consider what happened to Ari, who followed the practices and encouraged others to until her life was ended in a suicide, one from which the Abraham Hicks establishment tried mightily to hide their connection.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I like Abraham hicks ester and Jerry I don't believe that it was all a scam they gave people something to believe in and that's what we want. Those who follow them know how it is to want something and not be a match to it we get a little frustrated and upset maybe that's how ester feels right now she and jerry were only human with the same emotions that we all have. We shouldn't just attack someone just because something doesn't go as plan. I believe that when something like this happens we get scared so we have to find some way for it to make sense. Abraham's teachings have helped me a lot and I still believe.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Gypzeerose: The meanness began well before Jerry even announced his illness and pulled back when critical attention was drawn to it. Some suggest it was a trial to see how followers would like it.As far as her grieving goes, if she trusted the "teachings" she's pushed at followers for decades, she wouldn't be grieving at all. She'd be "happy to see the old ones go," as she explained while taunting followers about grieving over the deaths of loved ones or, as she cheerfully called it when it happened to others, "croaking."

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      Rose Jones 5 years ago

      I love a lot of the ideas of Abraham. I don't know about the seminars, and of course we have to remember - behind all this is a grieving woman.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Thrinsdream: Thank you, Cathi, and I am happy you enjoyed it. Live and let live is a pretty nice motto to keep in mind.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @tea lady 2: You are welcome, TeaLady.

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      Thrinsdream 5 years ago

      Live and let live, we all have our paths. Great viewpoint that I enjoyed reading. With thanks and appreciation. Cathi x

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      Pat 5 years ago from Midwest, USA

      Thanks for your thoughts on this subject!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Hi, Maggie. I've been inclined to go to the "out and out" direction too, although I was once convinced by people who knew them well that, in the beginning at least, Esther was 80% genuine/ 20% faked. Now, with more information surfacing, especially by way of the research reported on the Kyra Speaks blog, that it was all made up from the start. Not only is their story of how it came about clearly nonsense, but when you dig back to Jerry's time at Amway with his fourth wife, Trish, he was already doing "Think and Grow Rich" seminars. The "law of attraction" was borrowed from the New Thought Movement, from the 1920s, although in their trademark application, they claimed to never have heard of it before making it up themselves. By the way, they didn't tell the government that Abraham came up with it, as they do audiences. Not only did they recycle LOA for their own purposes, the even used some of the same language from a hundred years ago. After being turned down on the trademark claim, for obvious reasons, they went for "Abraham-Hicks law of attraction," before settling on the ultra clunky "vortex of attraction," which they do seem to have made up. Esther was, by the way, Trish's bookkeeper, which is how they first met. Later after Jerry's divorce and engagement to would-be wife #5, that he and Esther, still married to Richard and living at home with him and Tracy, began an affair that Richard discovered by finding Esther's car in a motel parking lot.And one other quick thing: their story that Jerry was already wealthy before they married, removing any commercial interest in the Abraham show, is also bogus. Whatever wealth he had from Amway was gone, likely in the divorce, and he and Esther were living in a rental apartment in Fresno when they launched Abraham. Gradually, more people who saw all this develop will surface and tell the story of what really happened. Hopefully, soon.Thanks for your observation.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I was curious, as I do think there is something to the Law of Attraction and have experiencedit actually without trying (in the past, things I focused on often came to be, and I considered it coincidence)I just got from the library the DVD (forget the title, Law of Attraction something like that by Ester Hicks Channeling and some bland moderator king of guy asking Abraham questions. In the beginning, Ester explains how it all happened and she was before all of this a Bookkeeper.Interesting enough, through Abraham HE was supposedly speaking through Ester and comparing something about human behavior to computer software. At one point He brought up Quicken.which is an Accounting/Bookkeeping program. I had to wonder, out of ALL the computer software programs out there, odd he brought up a Bookkeeping software, software that Ester would know and be familiar with! After that, I was convinced that Abraham is indeed Ester.. That along with her husband, years ago, read and was impressed with Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.. I think they are merely GROWING RICH ! These people in my opinion are out and out frauds!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Ryan- Congratulations on your success, that is awesome!! Tongue in cheek here, but if you are continuing to turn your life around, does that mean it's going back to the way it was?I find it fascinating that these teachings (reported anecdotally) seem to work for some and in my own experience do not. I'm not an Aber anymore, but if I were, I would say the answer to that question is in my vortex. :)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Ryan. Most of us, even the skeptics, have an appreciation for the teachings, even if we don't believe there is or ever was an Abraham. Esther will never answer questions for the obvious reasons. If her stories were true, she'd never have had a problem speaking openly in public, and she certainly have fewer skeptics.Instead of answering questions, Jerry and now others have a long history of going out under assumed names and attacking negative opinions and skepticism. Doesn't sound like the inspired actions of an enlightened teacher to me. It sounds like a con artist trying to divert attention away from essential questions that should be easily answered.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi david. Ive had astonishing results with abrahams teachings. I turned my life around and continue to do so.I hope your cause has an effect on what's going on. Whether it be to put her on the hot seat in a compassionate loving way, or to get her to respond. Maybe its her that is disconected and not the teachings. Its worked for me. David, its good to have people like u who give the other side of the story. This is mandatory im our evolution.

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      MariahS 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Ah, yes, she is a performer, which explains "teachings" that contradict each other.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @MariahS: The meanness is coming from exactly where everything else does: from Esther. She learned (from watching others) how to channel her intuition into a public circus. Some days it's off, some it's on, but with the demands of the performance circuit, like anyone else, the show must go on.

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      MariahS 5 years ago

      Well, at today's Phoenix workshop, official LIVE updates stated that "Abraham" said that if a comment is uplifting, it comes "from the vortex" and if it's not uplifting, then it doesn't. But I thought "Abraham" was always "in the vortex"....... so where is the meanness coming from?? Interesting! Well, not the first time Esther contradicted herself, is it?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Oh and they always say "words don't teach only life experience does" so perhaps they are aware that some of what they are trying to communicate isn't being best communicated through words and some people take it too literally. People get the general gist of what Abe are saying and need to apply this to their lives. I also remember them saying something like "you don't need us and you don't need esther" and that the masters of the planet work this out for themselves. Feeling and vibration is wayy more accurate than words. I'm done lol

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Nahh, still not convinced they're a scam. Even if they were, their teachings are working pretty well for me, old ones and the new ones so I couldn't care less tbh. However.... I remember one time Abraham saying that Esther once said to Jerry something like 'we don't live it, we just teach it' but then Abe implied they were kinda joking because J&E are magnificent creators. And Abe always talks about how J&E still fight problems to the ground and get people to do stuff for them instead of aligning with them so maybe that explains these dodgy situations. As for any contradictions in the teachings, maybe Esther is misinterpreting sometimes since she's doing all the talking and translating

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Hi, Mariah. Like you, I wanted so much for Esther to be real that I kept finding ways to rationalize her behavior. Finally, of course, she went to far, and at the same time, friends like Kyra, who has been on the A-H Fraud bandwagon longer, came forward with research that made the case even more strongly. And then, more came from people who'd worked closely with Esther and Jerry, etc. The true picture is pretty, and Esther's shabby treatment of Jerry, without whom she is nothing special, was the final straw for many more.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      In one of the recent workshops, a man who had some degree of blindness was in the hotseat. Later, during a rampage, Esther asked, "aren't you glad you're blind?!?!"I'd put that in the mean category.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This was an interesting one. I was at the San Francisco workshop, the first of two "hotseat bouncing" workshops. It was pretty dramatic!!! In my section of the room, we were all pretty excited, because we just wanted to hear the good-feeling stuff! :) I thought "Abraham" was actually trying to teach us something. I noticed they only did this for two workshops. It kind of fell flat at the second one, I thought. It seemed fishy to me (although I was enamored with Abe at the time) that they only did it for two workshops. Even then, I thought about how Esther must have been playing to an audience.Well, the hotseaters who got bounced are lucky they didn't have to hear Esther try to solve their problems for them. Funny, for a year and a half, I tried to twist and turn what I was observing to have it make sense, when the simplest explanation to my questions is: it's fake. Duh! :)

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Best wishes for your cousin, Maggs. Jerry Hicks did exactly as she did and probably will do: go see a doctor and follow their advice. The similarity ends there, because Jerry and Esther Hicks have made a bundle pitching an entirely different approach and because, rather than expose their own lack of trust in the guidance they'd been selling, the tried to mislead their followers about what was happening. The real danger is that trusting followers will not do what Jerry and your cousin both wisely did, but will turn to the instant cures that the "teachings of Abraham" have claimed are easy and only thought away.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My cousin just was diagnosed with a blood cancer & sh woke up one day with bruise like welts all over, even in her mouth. Her blood levels were way off. I can now imagine a welt\spider bite prompting a doctor visit to then sadly discover a cancer.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @SandyMertens: You did, and I added you in featured lensmasters below, but I didn't get to you lens to add it yet. Just one of the hundred or so things I'm behind on.

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      Sandy Mertens 5 years ago from Frozen Tundra

      Great lens. I thought I had left a comment about blessing it and to add it to my Nov. blessing lens.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @aquarian_insight: Try to convine them!Thanks, mucho.

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      aquarian_insight 5 years ago

      Wow - great lens and as they say "there's no reasoning with the unreasonable".

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      nipunrocks 5 years ago

      such a great lens this is..!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @KellyMartinSpeaks: Yeah, you wonder at what point (twenty years) you decide that, maybe, it isn't working. Thanks. I agree it's hilarious, as long as your not caught on the hook.

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      Kelly Martin 5 years ago from GLOUCESTER

      lol ! Too funny the reaction from the Aber on facebook. I did wonder how someone who had been following them for 17 years was still pushing against 'what is' and resisting AND communicating with someone so obviously at a different vibrational level to themselves (wink!). Haha! hiliarious... 17 years oh boy! its like seeing the same psychiatrist for that length of time hehe!

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks (for both comments), Susie. Interesting what people wlll endure when they are either desparate for something to believe or too lazy to discover themselves.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Oopa, forgot....great T-shirts to support your message!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      You had me shaking my head here....I'm at peace without being bullied and certainly wouldn't pay $200.00 to see someone with a mean streak... maybe they should visit Dr. Phil and get a, "What the hell were you thinking", lol! I saw this on your last Squidcast and held my finger here to get to it.

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      chrispell017 6 years ago

      nice, very interesting lens.. some really nice debates below in the comments.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, you're suggesting that people who don't try whatever the Abraham-Hicks flavor of the day is will die poor? Somebody rush over and tell Donald Trump before it's too late. Or, Warren Buffet, who's in his eighties now. They'll be sorry if they don't start following the practices Jerry and Esther borrowed from others and claimed to be their own creations. Maybe it's not too late for the next Alaska cruise for them. Never too late for Donalt to learn.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      This is a comment to people that want to find out if Abraham is real or not. Practice the teachings for ONE WEEK. If they work, you stick, if they don't, die poor. That's it. Try it.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @darciefrench lm: Always happy to read your smart, considered answers, Darcie. Thanks for adding insight to this lens.

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      darciefrench lm 6 years ago

      I love the t-shirts you've selected -:) I've always thought channeling itself to be fake and have never given it or anyone who channels the time of day in terms of belief (although I admit it can be entertaining to watch folks make such fools of themselves). Why would a 'dead person' have anything to say about the living that has any value if they have to borrow someone else's body to do it? We are capable of communicating with the living via reincarnation- anyone who hides behind the veil as a 'spirit' is an impostor, unable to cope with the honesty of having the responsibility of a body in the flesh. Love can't be quantified, only qualified. And meanness is not a quality of love, no matter what its source. Giving a channeled entity and its host money in order to 'get love' is incredibly dangerous spiritually, if you ask me, because it de-authenticates Reality. Unconditional Love is the essence of Truth, capitalizing on degrading an audience in the name of love the essence of falsehood.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @religions7: Yes, and add to that the inconsistencies that expand every day and you get a scam. Only the unwilling see it. Thanks. Your my expert on this stuff in terms of spiritual resources.

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      religions7 6 years ago

      There is a tradition of spiritual teachers giving people tough love. However, this is dependent on them a) actually knowing the people they teach like thatb) it not being abusive (though that's hard to find out)The whole concept is, in those cases, that the teacher knows precisely what you need to hear to get rid of 'ego'. It also depends on the TEACHER knowing the audience is, by definition, not party to this knowledge. When she allowed the audience that prerogative, she PROVED she's a fake.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Kent, for the clarification. I'm catching a lot of personal flack on the A-H cult Facebook pages. Both Kyra and I are accused of being bitter because we can't make the teachings work, a typical Esther Hicks tactic, but you have to wonder how they got to that conclusion without knowing either one of us.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Magnificent response Mr Stone!!! Can I have your autograph?Abraham Hicks/ a lot of this pseudo "spirituality" is no different from any other religion in its exploitation of human insecurities- intelligent humans facing strife are brainwashed into turn a blinside to their own common sense, as clearly indicated in the response above you. This is clearly evident in Esthers bullying of audience members. The logic of this is flawed. Let me explain: Abraham justifies their bullying of audience members as their (abrahams) insensitive behaviour being a reflection of the hotseat askers' vibration, hence blaming the victim. However the core of abrahams teachings is that like vibrations attract hence the bully and the victim would be in the same vibration in ALL cases (according to their own teachings). That would mean that hotseater victim in this instance would be in the same low vibrational vicinity as Abraham, making abraham in that moment in a low vibrational vicinity, contradicting abrahams claims that they are "pure positive energy, all knowing" etc, because the "source energy" would never lower their vibration, according to their own definitions. LOL All u abraham fans if you can't see this clear cut contradiction, maybe you are asking to be brainwashed!!!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Magnificent response Mr Stone!!! Can I have your autograph?Abraham Hicks/ a lot of this pseudo "spirituality" is no different from any other religion in its exploitation of human insecurities- intelligent humans facing strife are brainwashed into turn a blinside to their own common sense, as clearly indicated in the response above you. This is clearly evident in Esthers bullying of audience members. The logic of this is flawed. Let me explain: Abraham justifies their bullying of audience members as their (abrahams) insensitive behaviour being a reflection of the hotseat askers' vibration, hence blaming the victim. However the core of abrahams teachings is that like vibrations attract hence the bully and the victim would be in the same vibration in ALL cases (according to their own teachings). That would mean that hotseater victim in this instance would be in the same low vibrational vicinity as Abraham, making abraham in that moment in a low vibrational vicinity, contradicting abrahams claims that they are "pure positive energy, all knowing" etc, because the "source energy" would never lower their vibration, according to their own definitions. LOL All u abraham fans if you can't see this clear cut contradiction, maybe you are asking to be brainwashed!!!

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Feeling good can be a lot of things, from the sublime to gobbling ten chocolate bars in a row. It's a guide only to its own reflection and, yes, dangerous when there is no moral compass or compassion. There sell pitch is simplicity, but salamanders are simple, not higher vertebrates.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thank you. I'm glad you took control and got your lives back on track. One other thing I can tell you about Esther and Jerry: it's all about the money, and neither of them have enough of a conscience to look away. The message may have been more gentle at one time. Not now.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: They may not be breaking any laws, at least earthly ones, but just because their business is technically legal does nothing to exonerate them from the accusations that they are, in deed, lying to their high paying followers. Their message is one to catch the ear of the vulnerable, the lonely, and the ones who now pick the bottle back up saying, "If it feels good, it must Be good!"

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @Jen2174: Jen, I, too, was an avid student of Abraham, from 2006 - 2010. Because of the narcissism and their joyful encouragement to blame the victim (they say there are NO victims, ever...) my family was falling apart, my spouse was acting out sexually and other addictions were being touted as "a way into the vortex"! Esther and Jerry Hicks are not only fraudulent, they are DANGEROUS! Luckily, we hit bottom and are now in "Abraham Recovery", are disrtoying the thousands of dollars of dangerous tapes and videos, and have taken a deep breath of very fresh air as we run as fast as possible away from this Jezebel and her slick salesman of a husband. Thank you, David, for your postings. I wonder how many other marriages, families, have fallen apart because of these teachings. I cringe to imagine.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Heather426: Heather, I couldn't agree with you more, and I believe there is a lot of truth in what Esther used to have to say. Stardom can corrupt, as you point out. And after all, it was all borrowed material anyway, but packaged well for the market. Thanks for you insightful comment.

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      Heather Burns 6 years ago from Wexford, Ireland

      It sounds like Esther or Abe got too big for their britches. When that happens the message gets skewed and the sail collapses.But maybe the original message was still true even if the messengers are not. Thank you for pointing this out. I find that all cults have moments of truth that betray the messengers.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @kateloving: Neale Donald Walsch. He was caught plagiarizing a woman's published story a couple of years back, but followers were undeterred. Not a surprise, I guess, because Walsch has never done anything more than rehash what others, in some cases serious researchers, have done and presented it as astonishing new material given him by God. In my opinion, these guys give spirituality a bad name, making it hokey and derivative with nothing new offered, sitting ducks for debunkers.

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      Kate Loving Shenk 6 years ago from Lancaster PA

      Interesting stuff, David. Other so called spiritual teachers have gone the same way. Like the Conversations With God dude--he actually had seminars where he dressed like Jesus and had 12 apostles-like people accompanying him. And he was mean to audience members. Yech--turns me off.****Blessed****

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Abraham Hicks Follower, the greater issue than whether or not Amway is a scam is that top-Amway-distributors are known for selling motivational materials to their downline (i.e. Hill, Peale, etc books, CDs, seminars) for massive profits and that Jerry is basically doing this same thing with Abraham minus the MLM. Their Amway past aside, there are still plenty of things that we harpoon Jerry and Esther for.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: The answer to your first question has been answered many times. Abraham-Hicks has been proven to be a scam to my satisfaction, much as I wish it hadn't been. You can find the details on this and other linked lenses. You probably do know, although you seem here not to, that Amway and its members derive most of their income from selling distributorships, not products. Their practices resemble the logic of chain letters. If enough people keep sending dollar bills up the line, the people at the top will make more and more. Amway has been described as "a pyramid scheme" for as long as I can remember. Here's a quote from Wikipedia for you: "On November 3, 2010, Amway announced that it had agreed to pay $56 million - $34 million in cash and $22 million in products - to settle a class action that had been filed in Federal District Court in California in 2007. The class action, which had been brought against Quixtar and several of its top-level distributors, alleged fraud, racketeering, and that the defendants operated as an illegal pyramid scheme. "Now, is it in your mind to draw the conclusion that they paid $56 million to settle pyramid scheme claims because they knew they were liable? While it's hard to tell whether you're defending Jerry Hicks or Amway, you have a certain belligerence that defies reasonable argument. You provide a rationale for Jerry's not disclosing his past work experience, covering instead with vague claims of success. He also does not disclose that he has been married at least five times, and I say "at least" based on his own statement that he was marries so many times he lost count. He has also been shown to make spurious claims about celebrity attendance at A-H events and to claim to know celebrities who insist they've never met him. Jerry has a casual relationship with facts that true believers chose to ignore.Finally, I am not a blogger, whether you couldn't help responding to my "ignorant post" or not. I have no ax to grind with the Hicks operation, but like anything else I'm passionate about, when the facts are there I write about them. Next up is Abraham LIVE, the latest scam scheme from Esther and Jerry. Stay tuned.And, by the way, I've known plenty of men named Julie. It's usually a derivative of Jules or Julius. A well-known example is Julie Styne, the legendary Broadway composer. Nevertheless, my reply was address to Julie, the woman who had commented just before.Back to school, Abraham-Hicks follower. Keeping an open mind to the facts will serve you well. Try it. Calling those you disagree with "ignorant" will just generally close off discussions, even as it reflects Esther's recent bullying of audience members.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Why would you blatantly call Jerry an "Amway scam artist"? I cannot stand it when people refer to Amway as a "scam." I am in no way now, or ever was, affiliated with Amway, however, I have written a book about mutli-level marketing (MLM) and I feel compelled to point out to you that Amway is a legitimate business, with thousands of members who conduct honest business. They have been around for decades and continue to thrive with new members every year who are embracing a time-tested and legal business model. Nothing about the company is a scam. The way MLM works is you sell products to a few friends, and then teach them to sell the same products to a few of their friends, and so on and so on. You, as a result of helping your friends do this, make a small profit (a commission) on all of the items sold. The bigger your group grows, the bigger your commissions grow. If you don't work at it, you don't make any money, but if you're good, like Jerry was, you make a ton of money. So no, this is not a scam because the money is made off of products sold. This is not illegal, nor is it any type of "scam." Esther and Jerry have been harpooned for not talking about their Amway past, however, it's because of the general MISconception that Amway is a scam or scheme that is probably their #1 reason why they don't bring it up. If I were them, I wouldn't bring it up either when people like you blatantly call them scam artists. The internet is full of people blogging about stuff they know nothing about, and I just couldn't help responding to your ignorant post. I am not writing for any other purpose other than to impart the idea that perhaps you should not be so quick to condemn people over misunderstood facts. By the way, I've never heard of men named Julie.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Jen2174: I'll look it up later and find some places to add it as a featured lens. You can always lensroll too, which extends the things you like to your own readers. Keep up the good work!

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      Jen2174 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: David, if you check my page on squidoo, i did one article on law of attraction. i have another one could add but it makes fun of the secret teachers

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Jen2174: With all your passion, Jen, you should be contributing here, not just on this subject but others you are so interested in.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @JulieCarlson2: I have a good friend, Julie, who was once close to Esther and Jerry, very much involved with them for about ten years. He believes that Esther was once, what he would call, "in spirit," but that she is not now. Other insiders have made similar claims, adding that she wants to quit but Jerry wants to keep the money train rolling. Could explain the changes. Based on my own experience and great research by my friend, Kyra, I believe it always to have been an act, based what they learned from reading Seth and studying Theo and using the skills Jerry perfected as an Amway scam artist. Pretty effective and saying the right things to help people, but a con that ran out of gas essentially. Thanks for your comment.

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      Jen2174 6 years ago

      Hi David. i told you I would sign up and comment. I spent from 2007-2009 believing in esther's teachings, and my life got worse and worse because I am an anxiety type and the whole life is one size fits all thing, is wrong. Either the non physical entities do not know about the earth plane enough to have sympathy for us, or she is faking. Either way, it comes off as cruel and heartless. I have been on the abe forum when i was concerned about my friend committing suicide and thanks to abe telling them its their right, i got no comfort. people told me that i should tell her congratulations. it was mean and pathetic. they seemed so glossy eyed over their beliefs, they shoved everyone else aside, including their common sense.

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      JulieCarlson2 6 years ago

      Abraham/Esther has become a crabby old lady. I miss the old workshops were Abraham/Esther was kind and gentle and willing to help people fine tune their issues. So you now have a one-day workshop filled with 500+ people who have paid $195 to be there and they are treated rudely? You would think that for $100,000 that they draw in for the day, not including product sales, they could at least be nice to their workshop attendants.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @DebunkingSpritualLies: Delusion is the best friend of those who believe in LOA. Science, on the other hand, appears to be their greatest enemy.

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      DebunkingSpritualLies 6 years ago

      @robinmr: LOL..........yeah I knew it was her...........the behind scenes emails concerning me have been heavy energetically.....plus i got the nice I love you post on my wall this morning which means STFU Kristal...she does that now and then when I push things too far....then ignores me until I push again....we have been dancing this dance for about six months....I used to wonder why she didn't delete me but I suspect......she's told me far too much about far too many people and things and despite the fact that she has chosen to go against what she says are her personal thoughts and beliefs because her financial well being are at stake....i love her to death and have no beef with either her or you......you simply chose to hook onto the gravy train of esther and jerry hicks........I want them.......not you guys...but I would suggest you slowly turn your focus elsewhere so you don't get caught in the crossfire......I truly would not want to see either of you attract financial loss.........I'm just playing here on this forum.........nothing of value or significance can be accomplished here.......and i have already agreed to take this discussion off my facebook wall..........there is one person who can right all this......and will be listened to and that is where my energies are focused. Tell Nina no worries on facebook and let her know she should probably hurry to get her homecare business rolling.....because when esther is exposed........the whole house of cards falls I suspect

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: I blame movies like What the Bleep and The Secret for perpetuating quantum nonsense ; )

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      DebunkingSpritualLies 6 years ago

      @robinmr: I checked your link, just thought I would point out your contradictions and your confusion.You are part of god....then you are god.Pick one Robin, part of or all of...please don't confuse us..oh and if you think you can be all of...whoa.you obviously are confused about what the phu=ysical body can contain.....wow.....it can't contain the whole universe...just your view of itThe organizing principle of energy is duality, positive/negative..that si science 101If it is all energy you should at least have a basic knowledge of what energy is for heavens sakeAdding the certainties (what is chosen beforehand, or your karma if you want to choose that belief) or the law of cause and effect which is an ABSOLUTE.....if your scapegoat in case it doesn't work....then you add the....but you can change those certainties.......NOPE...or six children between the ages of 11 and 23 some 34 years ago would have chosen to NOT have their mother dieLOA is the only absolute law of the universe but then you mention the law of gravity.....not an absolute?? So if I vibrationally align to floating I can actually do it right? LOLThere are rules of the game....but you can change the rules? Interesting..why the hell are there rules at all then....oh wait Esther explained that one....so we can create criminals.....duh....sorry hahahaBeliefs are NOT all habits nor are they thoughts you keep thinking but thanks for the Esther mimic.a belief is a thought you keep thinking.....could you find an original idea in your head? MOST beliefs we are not even conscious of because they were programmed very early on.....let me explain simply so you don't miss the point.......I have a computer with a pretty picture in front of me and a nice mouse and keyboard.....they entertain me and do lots of things I want them to. BUT.....97% of the functioning of this computer hums along in the background without me knowing how that works or even being aware most time of the tons of things it si doing to affect what I do see.So it si with beliefs....not rocket science......I can pull up all the pretty pictures I want on this screen but if the programming is messed up it will keep crashing and it will need to be repaired so I can have consistent pretty pictures..I hope you understoodYour globe is delussionalQoute of the day..another play of Esthers rant a belief is a thought you keep thinking.....maybe esther doesn't think so much and you should consider making up your own ideas.....I love the security word.....how appropriate LOL.twitgoop hahahaha

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @robinmr: Quantum Physics? I believe you are referring to Quantum Mysticism.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Hi, Kyra. Made me laugh when he claimed it was consistent with quantum physics, proving instantly that he is clueless regarding the science. It's been explored and revised for over a century now, and really, the field has moved over to SST, where the real crazy stuff is there for imagining and trying. If they want to get an entry level view, they can read The Dancing Wu Li Masters. Instead, they get the narrowest picture from some blog and think it means they create or recreate Zanzibar, Mars, Venus and Big Tiny Little every second. Why would anyone want to build a universe like that? Nutty.

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Since, in a sense you are reading the script I hand you, and vice versa, believe me I do ponder that. I learn a lot about myself in exchanges like these.No secret there, my co-founder Nina pointed me to the discussion. I wasn't aware that the recency of my signup somehow qualifies my participation. Sorry if I crashed the party. I'll butt out.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @robinmr: Because once again...LOA can do no wrong. It is untestable, unscientific, and unfalsifiable. It's the dragon in Carl Sagan's garage. People who believe LOA are no different than creationists. Believe what you will. I won't be jumping into that rabbit hole.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @robinmr: P.S. Robin....if LOA is the only law of the universe and is how you and Eva and so many others make their money and it is fail and foolproof, you might want to really ponder why the hell you created this screenplay and attracted us all :-)I love that you signed up just yesterday......can I use my instinct, intuition, channeling or my mind to guess how you knew we were here discussing this :-)

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, LOL, well I won't resort to pejorative terms for you. You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, and you certainly are aligned with the overwhelming majority in your One World view. But not so much perhaps with current Quantum Physics. Thanks for the exchange. I learn from all of these. (-:

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Even thought it may seem "ludicrous", yes you can. (-:

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: You really shouldn't be deleting David....the only reason Robin is here is because of what I posted the other day....the backroom emails were a buzzin....he just signed up....i know who notified him. Do you actually think a man who's business is LOA just happened upon a negative Estherham story? You have their attention now......but I think I'll just sign up and not worry about moderation and write my own stories instead of worrying about being censored here.Afterall...i seem to be the only one who did not fall for the bullshit to begin with........You can't bitch about Esther and Jerry censoring if you are going to do the same thing

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yes......the power of belief creates everything on a personal level and as you have noticed...beliefs change...so how you view the world as you know it does as well. As you view it! The only thing created is a viewpoint different from another.We do create....technology etc from our limited view....but when you have seven billion minds all trying to create with nothing but selfish goals...you have a mess...or create more selfishness :-)....Will we be able to attract (or create) oil for gas for the vehicles we attracted when the oil fields are dry? NOPE .....SO LOA is not an immutable law of the universe.........simple

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @robinmr: You just mixed up LOA with this supposed channeling Robin. Channeling itself is a belief....LOA is a belief...there is not one thing that is not a belief, we just get to choose our beliefs. I'll share with you part of a writing....All knowing is experiential and as such no need to deny one reality for the other for self validation. Mental concepts and theories simply do not cut it for anyone because there will always remain doubt until experienced~~Unless one has experienced multiple dimensions and flowed through with ease, it cannot be explained or known or believed. We still live in a world where our five senses and our intellect dictate our beliefs and our reality and ground us to this reality. The mind creates much confusion if allowed and we often allow~~Aliens, ETs, other planets, universes etc.......other belief systems created to humanize a relationship with the vast infinite all....with consciousness.....another great play we wrote, directed and play in.Masters, servants, evolution, history, the future.......more creations of the mind. As the mind expands in consciousness these things alter and change but TRUTH (the all) is not mutable, changeable or flexible. It is ALL....infinite NOW.Soul mates, god, security, chakras, kundalini, karma, sickness, health, forgiveness, victim, victimizer, good, bad, evil, heaven, hell, fear, ego, angels, guides, happy, sad, astrology, psychology, science, quantum physics, death, and so much more.......all belief systems created to externalize, explain, validate, make sense of, find meaning in what IS created experience.It is brilliant, we collectively are brilliant. Just look at the patterns we have created, especially in sciences, astrology and nature that repeat and validate our very existence, our experience, our pain, our joy, our sadness, our angst and our glory. Why? Because no matter how many answers we create, we simply will create more questions to solve because what else would we do? That is a trick question...We would Love Unconditionally and our minds fear the vulnerability of that~~One huge living breath of interconnectedness.......of life! The all that IS. Death does not exist. There are no endings, nor beginnings in an infinite unlimited now~~You've created your belief.......I am happy it workd for you and you can create that belief in others so it can work for them as well, but it does not always and to suggest it is the only created universal law is ludicrous.We choose our beliefs and I am all for the freedom and beauty of that, but when people use the vulnerability of others, exploit them for their own personal gain and greed.........I get a little annoyed.We should be loving and empowering each other, not disempowering and robbing each other........but its our world..we created it all and if that all is still good as is for you....wonderful.....but its not for me and as such I am choosing to create something different, more empowering, more loving and less self centered.........and since LOA is the only law out there.....I guess I can :-)

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: Narcissism. It's epidemic. Yes, there is one version of reality, and the only difference in any of it is our personal experience and conscious awareness. Utter silliness to think everyone gets their own little playground to manipulate. Uhm, that would make you God, and you ain't It.

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Factual eh! LOL Well Dave you certainly have your beliefs as we all do. This may be a bridge too far, but let me try anyway. Can I suggest that you are speaking from a One World perspective, I often think, that even as there is a Flat Earth Society that believes the world is flat, one day there will be a One World Society that believes there is one version of the world we all share and are dealing with.I have come to understand that there is Your World, (your movie if you will in which you write the screenplay and in which I am an actor) and there is My World (my movie in which you are an actor). We just happen to be sharing a set for this common scene here in this chat. I like Robert Scheinfeld's concise way of describing it - "If you're aware of it, you're making it up". (-:

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Much like the placebo and nocebo effects. Our beliefs deeply influence our perceptions. If we believe Esther delivers the goods or that the Law of Attraction is in control of our lives, like Wayne Dyer has always said, "believing is seeing."Wouldn't it just be better to be more consciously aware and accepting of truth, which is that only our pride lets us think we're in total control of creation. We certainly are not. Fortunately, because a lot of the New Age crowd would make a horrible mess of it.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: It's fantasy to think the Law of Attraction, as used in the New Age Movement, underlies everything. There is an under-layer, probably something like the Zero Point Field, but it's not as simple as New Agers consistently argue that it is. If we are part of everything, we resonate with everything, past and future. The idea that we create our own reality is frivolous. Back before Esther went nuts, she used to talk about co-creation, still oversimplified, but much more in tune with what really happens. We are part of it all and we participate with it all, simultaneously, jointly, in unison, and the only difference is what we chose to be aware of in the experience. Sorry to be factual, but it is what it is.

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Kristal, I agree with almost all of what you say. I would change only the following..* Infinite intelligence cares not what we call them. The name is just convenience.* The LOA is like gravity, it is in effect whether we believe in it or not. It is an underlying absolute. We have had much discussion about other laws in our group (e.g. the "cosmic laws" are often quoted) and have come to a clear understanding that these other laws are individual beliefs. Of course, they are true for those that believe in them because our beliefs create our world. There's more here if you're interested -http://www.loa-c.com/BeliefsandAbsolutes/cms/belie...

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Infinite intelligence does not name itself and I know "channelers" who have been honest enough with me to say, I know its me.We like names, like God, Abraham (note biblical association by design I am sure). We like to believe the same old lies that there is something more knowing than we, that there is a secret etc etc.LOA works yes...........in tandem with every other universal law, o say or assume it is the only one in play is a ludicrous lie only the naive would believe.Infinite intelligence...the all that is.....be still and know....there is nothing more special to anyone claiming they channel this intelligence, than there is to you and your own ability to access....no names......no one hundred entities.........no catch.......all that crap is just beliefs we are adding to what IS......Oh......one of those who chose to be so honest with me....."channels" Terah......no matter who taps in.......it will all be filtered by our beliefs, perceptions, perspectives.....lead do not follow....that is the only way to discover your own truth because there are seven billion personal truths out there..........just as there should be!

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @robinmr: Hey robinmr, I get where you are coming from. My only issue with this is that it let's Esther (or any channeler) off the hook when there is an error, mistake, slip-up, etc, so even if they are fraudulent (and there have been healers/psychics/channelers who have admitted to duping people with their acts) then there is no way of assessing whether or not what they are saying is true. Many have been inspired by frauds (felt they were cured, saved, etc), and believed passionately in what they heard (they believed it resonated with their "inner guidance"). But just because they felt the information was of value, doesn't mean the channeler was not attempting to dupe them. M Lamar Keene explains in his book The Psychic Mafia how he duped hundreds of people into believing in his abilities, and many of them saw things that seemed far more miraculous than anything we get from Esther (or "Abraham").

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: LOL - well there is much more to it than this and much we could talk about of course. But I get it. Thanks.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: robinmr, you seem much more levelheaded than most of the A-H crowd, and generally, I agree with your points. As you may have noticed, I try always to encourage people to dig into the shallow-for-marketing-reasons version that Esther promotes. I was reading, for example, Gary Zukov's Dancing Wu Li Masters long before I heard of the Secret, Abraham, etc. Unfortunately, I believe you are oversimplifying, as the Abraham crowd does, by arguing that you get what you know/expect/believe. Are there no surprises in life, new things that you learn by chance. The 'now-version" you mention is an illusion. Time as we think of it doesn't exist at all. Now is all there ever is, and it changes. There is no past and no future. Just the isness. Anyway, that's as I see it, and the law of attraction as a way of describing certain things is fine with me. As for Abraham-Hicks, I have no personal investment in believing or discrediting. I'm a writer writing to interest, and these get it. Personally, I'm much happier writing about art, cats and hippies. Those are my preferred gigs, but a job is a job.Thanks for your note.

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, Since we formed the www.loa-c.com community three years ago, I've had daily access to Abe/Terah through several channels including my other half Eva Gregory. That's given me a much clearer understanding of the nature of things, a much more expanded understanding than the Abe-Hicks brand provides, and a different perspective on them.One thing we've learned is that there is not a single version of the world out there, but infinite versions, and we step between them based upon our point of attraction. It's a bit mind-blowing when you first try to get your head around it but once you get it, all this LOA stuff falls into place.So of course you're right. Because what appears in the now-version of Your World will be what you know/expect/believe. To be simplistic, you create your own reality. Anyway it would be fun to have you come to one of our calls. You're questions would be welcome. (-:

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @robinmr: robimr, I'm inclined to agree with you mostly, but I think you're letting Esther off the hook too easily. For one thing, they've talked extensively about the "blocks of thought," although when they first started, the claim was that Abraham took over her vocal chords, much like Sheila Gillette, who I think they copied, says with Theo.More importantly, I think, however, is that what happened recently was way more than an off day. First, if she wasn't channeling Abraham, she should have said so, and secondly, it was just off, it was a complete reversal of principles. Anyway, this followed a long series of recent switches.I agree that they've been an inspiration to many over two decades. I've certainly benefited greatly myself. The question really is now: what are they inspiring? It's not the same message anymore, and my own conclusion is that Abraham has left the building, assuming they were ever there, and that's all about marketing these days, piling up the cash.

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      robinmr 6 years ago

      Channeling is closer to, and better described perhaps, as translating or interpreting. Voice channeling is translating blocks of thought into words. Although Abe through Esther talks little of this, as with language translating, the lexicon, and the ideas and understandings of the translator, always, to some extent, color the message. This applies equally to so called light or deep trance translating. And if the translator has strong feelings on the topic in question, the coloration will be stronger. Because they talk little of this, there is a tendency by their followers to treat everything from Abe/Esther with a sense of reverence, and any criticism as blasphemy. I know - I've been there! The Abe Forum to which you link is a good example of this where the administrators feel they have to protect the Abe image. In truth, Esther has her good days and her not so good days. Although it seems that Jerry keeps the "brand" fairly contained, when Esther is "on" she is truly on, and the 20+ years of work they have done are a huge source of inspiration. Sometimes she is a little off. Abraham would not exhibit the impatient behavior described here. NBD - as always take what feels good and leave the rest.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Doesn't know what else to do. He's in his mid eighties now and not eager to give up an active lifetime. He was always a borderline con artist with all the Amway stuff, so it really seems like it's all he know how to do. Pitch, pitch, pitch, cast the checks.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Yeah. I love your sorority sister analogy. Very appropriate, very true. It's possible that she does want out, but I'm sure Jerry will milk her for as much as she's worth (which is a lot). It is interesting that as they've been making more money, Jerry appears to have gotten even more aggressive with his marketing. You'd think it'd be the other way around--like he could relax because all the money was coming in. But no! Not this guy!

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Seems almost like she flipped. She wasn't even letting them get to the question. Bang! Out! Maybe the old story of her wanted to get out and Jerry not letting her is true, and she's forcing the issue. The acolyte cheering all this meanness on shows you how much they really bought into the teachings. Sorority sisters mocking the uncool kids.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      Beneficial to Esther (and I mean Esther), who is tired of answering the same damn questions over and over again.

    Some Quick Background on Esther Hicks, Abraham & The Hot Seat

    The hot seat, as it has been called, is an integral part of every Abraham-Hicks Workshop and instrumental in sustaining a convincing scam.

    After an initial guru-like review of something involving the basic teachings launches a session, Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, quickly selects a number of audience members to, one by one, step up near the stage where she is standing barefoot and initiate a discussion.

    She has previously explained that "they," meaning Abraham, know the thoughts of everyone in the room and have selected the most appropriate questioners to benefit the entire group.

    Hot seat conversations with Esther/Abraham have been everything from playful to mildly contentious to emotionally engaging. Esther has guided many hot seaters into what is called "a better feeling place."

    A number of people, for some reason a large majority of which are women, regularly participate and go on cruises to popular locations like Alaska and the Caribbean.

    They attend workshop after workshop, as the teachings of Abraham have evolved from the simplest law of attraction presentations to such exotic conceptions as a vibrational escrow (where the things you've asked for are just waiting for you to be ready for them) to the current "vortex," which is a revised version of vibrational escrow in which the goodies aren't released to you but where you must go to get them.

    I'll spare you any additional details on these concepts that keep the Abraham Hicks Scam afloat, but followers have learned to accept them and to continue ponying up for tickets to hear all about the new ideas.

    An unfortunate loss in the shuffle and redirection, in my opinion, was an empathy-inspired part of their teachings, known as allowing or "the art of allowing," a key component in what Esther Hicks explains, interpreting Abraham, as the mechanics of the law of attraction.

    As recently as 2005, Esther Hicks's Abraham said this: When we say to you, make peace with where you are, we want you to make peace with where everyone is; we want you to make peace with the world events; we want you to make peace with where your friend is in relationship with where your friend wants to be. We want it to be all right with you where anybody is.

    Allowing was when you got in the right emotional place to let your own desired objects flow to you, known as alignment with your desires.

    A significant factor in allowing, that now seems to be set aside, is allowing others to manifest whatever it is that they want. Tolerance and non-judgment were gentle aspects of a live and let live doctrine that recognized individuals and their different approaches to issues.

    That tolerance is now gone or, at a minimum, been reduced in some instance to a public, mocking intolerance, and for the first time, the Abraham Hicks Scam is in danger of collapsing.

    Is Esther Hicks on the Right Track or Not?

    Is Esther Hicks, posing as Abraham, providing a useful public service to her followers?

    Yes, Abraham's teachings have proven, again and again, to be helpful to many people.

    Yes, Abraham's teachings have proven, again and again, to be helpful to many people.

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      • Witness 14 months ago

        It is a relevant question of Ester's alignment with the pure positive energy of Abraham. I have been aware of Ester and Jerry since the early 1990's and discovered a strong vibrational change when I attended an Abraham Hicks conference the Fall of 2000. In person the energy of Abraham is transformative, on line, well no it is not the same experience. Listening to her as Abraham she states known truths that have been written of for centuries by many spiritual teachers. She has helped many. She has also hurt some, more than just a slap in the face. As people develop spiritually there is a responsibility in how the 'prayer' and projection is used. Ester has not had the benefit of an embodied spiritual teacher (even with one there is danger of losing site of the correct path). Ester is struggling due to the state referred to as Shakti Pad. It is the point on the spiritual path characterized as over identification with being the originator or creator of source rather than just a channel of source. In other words a spiritual aspirant will see themselves as the central figure rather than the humble recipient of source. This was best exemplified in a statement I heard her make at a session in Albuquerque in 2014. To paraphrase she said how Jerry considered her to be the same as Abraham. It was very much a statement made from ego. Ester is human but has given herself the right to create for others without the guidance of source. Also how and why they would keep Jerry's illness silent is obvious in the teachings, you do not speak of what you do not want. If they wanted Jerry to be healed rightly you do not burden that situation with thoughts of his illness. Peace to you, peace to Ester, may kindness guide all actions and thoughts.

      • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: There is no question, Tina, that some of what Esther offers can be helpful, as you have experienced.

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        i have at times been bombarded with negative talk all around the media the news the newspaper world events tragedies ,prejudices etc...sometimes too much of this so one day I tuned into abraham hicks and i like what she said, how i felt when she talked there is no way we can have oa utopian society but relief for the mind the stresses and focus on a positive outcome never hurt anyone except for those who put out money what harm has she done she could just call it a positive seminar her words have power ,uplift ,encourage,just the deceptionis are wrong. they use old teachings how wise peace where ever it can be found embrace it ,to me it centered me when I would need direction . i dont believe all ofit just what applied to me .

      • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Congratulations to you, Sherry, and not just for finding something you like so much. I could never get the through the Bible once, I found it so boring. If you're looking for insight into an "unseen world," I'd like recommend the writing of Dr. Michael Newton, especially "Memories of the Afterlife."

      • anonymous 3 years ago

        Abraham Hicks is the clearest, most beautifully worded insight into the unseen world I have ever read. All of life is vibration - ask any scientist. Gratefully, Abraham uses un-religious language, clears away the negative feelings and ideas people have always felt about spiritual matters. I listen to them every morning, and these teachings have changed my outlook and give me an awesome perspective to start my day. I have read the bible 7 times, and lots of other writings. Abraham reminds me to look for the fun and choose thoughts that are good feeling, because thoughts can be fun, too. I guess if Abraham was inconsequential, they would have no opposition. I am surprised, though, that anyone spends their thoughts and energies trying to oppose such am awesome message! Think about things that make you feel good. I assume that those who work against this message have one of their own that they think is right.

      • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Sorry, Sally, A-H is based on faith (much of it based on foolishness, in my opinion) and very little on intellectual horsepower, which is why Esther has never debated her claims with anyone or explained when she is clearly wrong about some thing, evolution for example along with String Theory, animal and child abuse, and the many predictions that proved false in the early books when she and Jerry tried the apocalyptic approach to gaining followers out of fear.She's cleaver, but intellectual not at all.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        If you listen to "Abraham", the intellectual horsepower of this entity leaves no doubt that this movement is right on.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Absolutely if only for the stimulation of new thought. This site is a great example, one created because of their work and challenging people to think.

      • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @mjtaylor lm: The actual quote to which you're referring is, "You get what you think about, whether you want it or not." There was nothing about beliefs then. She also said it was all about vibrations in the same book. So, I can understand you confusion. Later, she said "You've gotta ask for it."The idea of "limiting beliefs" came up as a sop for gullible followers who needed a reason to blame themselves, not their treasured teachings, when they didn't get what they wanted. In the same family of rationalizations are "the buffer of time," "allowing" and "the vortex," which started out as an imaginary field where all the things you asked for were waiting for the right moment, then evolved into "the vortex of attraction" after Jerry and Esther were denied trademark status for "the law of attraction," which they tried to convince the government they made up all by themselves.Look up "beliefs" in your dictionary. See if anyone else on the planet agrees with Esther.

      • mjtaylor lm 4 years ago

        PS ... I'm not sure you really have listened to Abraham when I read what you said about thoughts and beliefs in your comments in this thread. According to Abraham-Hicks, you get what you think about and what you believe. "A belief is only a thought you continue to think; and when your beliefs match your desires, then your desires must become your reality." A-H talks about limiting beliefs ... and "And we say, the reason that you believe it, is because you've practiced the thought. All that a belief is, is a thought that you keep practicing."

      • mjtaylor lm 4 years ago

        Absolutely, Abraham-Hicks is on the right track. I've listened to them for years and the practices have seemed to make a wonderful difference in my life. I do think these are not new teachings - "Seek and Ye Shall Find" comes from the Bible and Abraham Lincoln said "Most folks are only as happy as they make up their minds to be." There are similar teachings in most spiritual paths, but Abraham delivers it through Esther in a language that speaks to us in the current vernacular. I would have been more interested in what you were saying about Esther's mean streak if you had given concrete examples, but when you said you were going to spare us those details, I wondered how potent the humiliation really was. Most of those sessions are taped and made for sale, perhaps you could have at least shared the dates od the singing hot seats. I believe Abraham is right when they say that any illness can be healed in a short space of time. Just because Jerry wasn't able to do that doesn't mean it isn't true. The beliefs around cancer are very powerful in our culture; letting go of any fear and disbelief was clearly an insurmountable challenge for Jerry. Or maybe he was tired and wanted to leave this life.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Years ago I had a very out of the ordinary experience where for a whole morning the world glowed with extraordinary beauty, and everything and everyone I encountered in those hours took on an ethereal quality. I saw things I had never noticed before and my mind and vision where outstandingly sharp and clear. I felt on top of the world, and for no reason in particular. Afterwards, I was mystified by the experience and felt at a complete loss to explain it or to replicate it. Until this year. Now, thanks to Abraham and Esther I have repeated this experience several times and realise that what I experienced back then was what they refer to as "Getting into the Vortex" or "Blending". Only, when it is sustained for longer periods of time, I would like to clarify that it is, "Getting into the Vortex Big Time". Abraham has joined all the dots for me and words are inadequate to express my fullest and enduring appreciation for them and for Esther.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        After practicing the law of attraction for quite some time now i can only say that it works for me and works for two other friends that i introduced it to. (the only two that were actually willing to really try). I entered this field with a very open mind and wanted to see if it worked with more of a technical approach. I see this thread is about Hicks, whom i only discovered a month back but her teachings seem to fit well with what i have been experiencing for the last few years. Regarding the question, are they helpful, there seems to be much evidence in forums that the teachings have worked for many people so i give Abraham-Hicks a thumbs up.I may add though that, i'm sorry to hear of Jerry and his illness and of the reported actions of Esther at an event, but i'm not going to comment as i simply was not there.I would like to finish by saying to people that they should stick with what they have learnt if it works for them, but if it causes more harm than good then consider moving on to something else.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Oh, and there's no need to respond, Dave Stone. I only posted the previous comment for anyone who had any doubts surface, because of Jerry Hicks' passing. Thank You

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        I have followed Abraham's teachings for about a year and a half, shortly after I discovered "Think and Grow Rich" and "The Secret." My life has improved by 80%, and getting better everyday. I went from depression and dicouragement, to enlightenment and joy. So many of my issues have cleared up because of my diligence in learning about the law of attraction. I also know, because my vibrational energy is so high right now, that Jerry was in the Vortex for too long. Abraham clearly states that one must exit, or "step out," of the Vortex to create new rockets of desire. If not, they will permanently remain in the Vortex, and no longer be physically present. Furthermore, I believe that Esther was saved from the very same thing, by having to mourn the loss of her dearly beloved, causing her to "step out" of the Vortex. She has more work ahead of her in the Physical.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Yes, you get what you believe. I believe in the teachings of Abraham and have accomplished great things by it.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Hey, Dave Stone,Disregarding of what teaches Esther or Abraham it(him)self, or what is said or not in a forum, or about brand - whatever nonsenses about some Abe Forum or another you can bring us - there is nothing more important than the teachings themselves.Please excuse my wording - because English is not my native language - though I hope to explain my position, not only for you, but also for the readers out there.Esther is giving us a big deal of teachings related to the spiritual life (btw, have you ever heard about "after life" ? about eternal life, eternal happiness - for the saints, or the eternal pain for the sinners ? Do you believe in God ? If you do feel that God exist, don't you agree that He behaves somehow ? Because, naturally, whatever / whoever / is a living being, definitely has some kind of "activity", right ?) Those being said, one could remember that death is just passing through a door (and that travel might be pleasant, no matter how much pain one could suffer until that door), because after that it isn't any black hole, but again, a light of some kind, right ?I give you another example: A human energy is focused where is focused his attention. Therefore, if you think to the paper in front of you, or to the apple in front of you, your energy is focused on them (and leaving "the rest of the universe"), because your hands (which write something on the paper, or grab the apple to eat it) are just tools of your thought energy, or of your "focused being" which act there by its (your) hands.Now, what about believing and thinking to same thing, again and again? If you think to a pain, does that reduces its magnitude ? No. Thinking to something joyous, increase its pleasure ? Of course. B-e-l-i-e-v-i-n-g in something good, righteous and worthy, does help us ? Of course, because of several reasons :- we forget what is negative (and focus on something better)- we believe in good things, thus acting like entirely different beings. "Act if" it's a very powerful strategy in one's lifeSadly, I could continue with you for so long ... In short, if Esther teachings are good, who cares how is she as a human being ?If a great teacher is tired, angry, even bad sometimes, does he/she stops of being a great teacher ? Just think again.She maybe told us the brightest thing ever heard : " Don't worry, Everything's fine. You're loved"Even you, Dave Stone...

      • anonymous 6 years ago

        Who is this Dave Stone jerk off? You lose credibility for many reasons oh fat bald one, but the easiest reason is that you stated the forum is controlled by jerry and esther and only "believers" are allowed. What is your objective? Some people have found positive results from abraham stuff. What help are you providing? You could at least share some positive stuff. You seem like a jilted lover.... of twinkies too! You should not be trying to pull the carpet out from under people unless you are going to catch them when they fall. Fatso. What is all this crap YOU are marketing?

      No, Esther and Jerry invented Abraham as a way to market teachings long associated with others.

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        • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Nope, nothing. Sort of odd. No idea why.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          Did you receive a response from Mariah (postabe) yet ?

        • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Sorry to not be of much help, but I haven't been invited either. I know the blog is still up because I get links to my work from there, but I haven't checked in with Mariah in a while. My guess is that she limited access because the Abraham crowd can be aggressive and nasty. Maybe she wanted to keep them out. I do have an email address for her, and if I hear back from her, I'll let you know if she is letting new people in. Back to you when I have an answer.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          I started questioning Abe recently and have been reading many blogs and critics about their spiritual enterprise but my all time favorite was 'post Abe' by Mariah and I read it once but now I am trying to Google her blog and all that I get is a message 'your not invited to this blog ..?!?!?!? isn't it a free open blog ? I have never commented there so I don't think I could be blocked ,any idea if Mariahs blog can be accessed ? its a good source of info from a former abe student and for any one who is seeking the truth .thanks :)

        • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: An interesting dilemma, Mark. It's true that many of the practices "work" and have for many people because the ideas were taken from effective philosophies that have been known for a long time. Jerry Hicks studied a lot of that for years, especially Seth and the New Thought Movement, before Abraham appeared or, I should say, is claimed to have appeared.By the time Esther and Jerry became popular, they'd evolved the ideas, backing away from some of the whackier, apocalyptic predictions they'd made and evolving into the friendlier and shallower spiritualism of today.The main problems are that, as put in place today, the philosophy as you've discovered is a narcissistic dead end beloved by a small, cultish group of reality deniers. As long as they can "reach for the next best thought" and pretend to "create their own reality" they have a self-righteous excuse for ignoring what's all around them. Like good Christians, they rise above.The other problems is that Abraham, as described, is make-believe, a clever gimmick for enhancing the teachings of a charismatic pair who've capitalized heavily on milking a following without the kind of insight or openness you've shown here. Some "followers" never move on, clinging instead like hopeful children to the dream that they will not ever have to grow up.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          Here is my problem. Having read Ask and it is Given, I was convinced about the 'rightness' of the Abraham teachings as presented in that material. However, the truth is that, as you practice things like gratitude for what you already have, clearing clutter, choosing a better thought and so forth, you actually do change and the changes actually are beneficial. However, the spiritual practices enumerated in the Abraham material are not designed to generated material boons or wealth, they are actually all practices that help you to generate contentment. When you are content, that is when you realize that you already have what you want and do not need any more, suddenly you don't have the strong desire for the jet ski or the motor home anymore. But, the live workshops and all of the CD's do claim to that you will attract the material wealth that you want and I do not believe that is the case. But the exercises and 'processes' in Ask and it is Given actually do work to help people gain control of their thought processes and maybe find some sense of peace and contentment.

        • Blonde Blythe 4 years ago

          I agree with eric g edgar!

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          hell no. only a fool would buy this shit.

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          Inspire, you are very good at mouthing whatever you were told to enter here. What you have to say is stated totally without evidence of example about your "80%" improvement.Jerry Hicks was adept at making sure his sock puppets posted supportive comments on Amazon, blogs, etc. It's interesting that you are able to keep up the tradition. You haven't fooled anyone here. We recognize the technique. Nice try.

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          Interesting, if silly, thought, Claudia, except that what you are affirming is not what Esther Hicks preaches. According to Esther, you get what you "think about," not what you believe. Beliefs she says are so irrelevant that she makes fun of them publicly, as she does about death and evolution, for examples of things that she says that are jaw-droppingly ignorant. In a pinch, when trapped in her own nonsense, she'll claim that what you get is what you are a "vibrational match" with, a meaningless phrase that she angled around to explain how the slaughter of civilians on September 11, 2001, was just a matter of the law of attraction doing its thing.I like your version better. It's much kinder than Esther wretched and mean-spirited world view.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          P.S. To Dave Stone : Thanks very much for the opportunity to post here. Please don't let the ignorant, unimaginative jerks who try an take pot shots at you get you down. Every board has it's trolls. Keep up the good work. You may well save people thousands in money, much more in their self respect. Again I say to everyone : Trust Yourself first. Let That be your guide. Take the good from "gurus" (with or without robes) but never check your mind at their gates ! Thanks. Love, ElectricMan

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I have a long history ( all of my adult life ) with gurus, seeking, etc. I ran across this and the Secret a few years ago. It seemed like exactly what I was looking for at the time, and I tested it for years. Surely someone like me I thought, who was used to moment to moment spiritual practices would be a prime candidate for success. I had already become adept at "quieting the mind" so ... just add their simple practice of focusing on "good only" and wham, there I would be ! A star in the making, I was already preparing what I would say to Esther, Jerry and all my friends (who had to put up with my preachments). Man was I WRONG ! While I did notice minor changes about superficial items, the biggies *would not budge*, no matter how "pure" my thoughts stayed. What did I care ? The tougher matters (yes like money) stayed exactly the same, but THEY were in "Escrow" ! " Just a little longer" I said FOR THREE YEARS ! My friends noticed nothing had really changed. Finally so did I. I guess I'm just particularly stupid and gullible (or was desperate) about this. It wasn't enough I had spent 27 years of my life chasing "Enlightenment" with a (literally) fat guru who lined his pockets while screwing dozens of young women (he actually had a requirement, no lady over 30) . No ... I had to go and do it all over again ! Finally, at 57 as I write this, I have found a profound moment to moment ancient spiritual practice that doesn't cost me a dime. It was there under my nose the whole time, but I was not ready.To any who reads this : Please, please use the utmost discrimination when engaging these fools and many others. Watch out when they want to frisk you for money or even sex. There *may* be some good. Take that. Leave the rest to them !

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          This is Abraham aka lucifer...ha ha. ha see you in hell

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          Erudition, in spite of the language barrier, your points are clearly made, but like that of many of the followers, your views read like they are written by someone who splits their day between shopping, television and trading pleasantries on the Internet. There seems to be so little life in it.Rather than focusing on sunny thoughts, which sounds air-headed to me, I am committed to conscious awareness, to absorbing as much about everything that I can, to knowing and experience. We live once, at least in this body, and I want to make the most of it. That means I don't limit my choices to what's only on the sunny, shallow side of the street. There's so much more to know and feel.At the end of your comment, you write that Esther should get some slack if she is sometimes tired and out of sorts. The mistake you make is that it's Abraham (she claims) who is on stage and mistreating people. Now, why would and eternal being directly connect to God be frustrated, tired, or fed up with people? All this shows us is that there is no Abraham, at least not now, but there is a bored, intolerant moneymaker on stage who is getting fed up with her own act and the frustration of her dissatisfied followers.

        • whoisbid lm 5 years ago

          Wow this is news to me. I need to spend more time learning about it before I can answer properly

        • David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          Hey, Rick, wouldn't it be great if you actually knew what you were talking about. Just for the record, I was one of the original Abe Forum members (the one we are talking about here), back when David ran it with Jodi and we had only a few hundred members. It was a big kick when we hit 1,000.Problem was that all the controls (they are worse now) turned so many of us off that we quit, and later, many of us joined Abe Talk, which Jerry couldn't control because it like Abe Forum really was independent, not run by Jerry's designates. This pissed Jerry off, and unfortunately, the information is confidential. But he threatened lawsuits and firings and all kinds of things to force Abe talk to remove the statement "Followers of Abraham-Hicks." He's a freak about controlling the brand. I'll protect my sources who still work for Jerry Hicks, but you shouldn't find it hard to guess which flunky did the dirty work in bullying Abe Talk with middle of the night barrages of phone calls and threats. Now, as for Abe Forum being open, David Gordon does not allow me to read anything on the forum or comment. My IP address is blocked. I get all the content anyway, but I have to do it in a roundabout way. On the Facebook forum, which he also controls, he has comments on my posts deleted for reasons you can generally guess. Now, if all his work is so independent, why do you suppose he bends over backwards to do exactly what you'd expect Jerry Hicks to do if he didn't own a flunky. Simple facts, dude, whether ya like 'em or not.One last question, though, I have to ask. Why do you Abers always pick one point to attack and never try to make a thoughtful argument? More importantly, why are you always launching personal attacks? They don't bother me, but I'm wondering what's so Abe-ish about calling names and attacking people you disagree with on a personal level. I like a lot of the teachings, although Esther and Jerry borrowed them for other, more eloquent people; so, I know what pushing against is, etc. Why is that your first recourse, instead of a positive reasoned argument in Abraham's favor. The reason, I believe, is because critical thinking is not your thing, and you can't. You just parrot what you're told bye Esther and make like it comes form some secret source. There is no secret source. We are all connected, and only cultist like Esther try to corner people into believing they are exclusive.

        • anonymous 6 years ago

          Dave, you are still wrong. Initially a forum did appear on the official abraham-hicks web site but it did not last. They have no control over the forum you are linking to now, which by the way, anyone can join and also anyone can go to a workshop without filling out any questionnaires to make sure they are "Believers." Again, your credibility is in question. Or rather, not in question. As soon as I read your take on the forum(s), I figured you as mostly a wind bag. Maybe I expected more from you but you blew it very early on. It seems you take tid bits of information and you put your (negative) spin on them to make them fit into your already decided stance. Just like the Jehovah's witnesses do! In the pamphlets they hand out they take quotes from the bible, word for word and then they tell you what it means. At least abraham tells people to interpret as they see fit. What about other abraham forums Dave? There are yahoo groups, there are facebook groups, there are meetup.com groups. What would be the friggin point of jerry and esther controlling the content of only one of them? It is not nice of you to attack jerry and esther as if they hatched some big plan to deceive people. Not nice at all. If everyone you knew that was involved in the abraham stuff had become happy and or wealthy, then would you still care about your cause?Maybe people just don't know exactly what to do with the information, Dave. I don't think you can blame jerry and esther for that. There must be things that even you can't see outside your own window. Come on. You got some wild hair up your ass about this Dave and I wish that instead of wasting your time typing about fraud, that you would figure out how to use the information and find greater success/happiness and share THAT!. Share it and I'll read every day!

        • David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          Rick, you are obviously a very classy guy with a smooth style. If you are a product of exposure to Esther and Jerry Hicks and their invention, they need to reconsider. In any case, just to enlighten you, the Abe Forum was anointed by You Know Who before it ever launched. The rules are strict and adhere to a marketing message. Sorry to burst your bubble, buddy, but yes, like Jerry Hicks, I am mostly bald on top, but I don't see how that equates to being a con artist. If I encouraged you to get off drugs, would that be positive? Well, same goes for encouraging you to think a little bit about the addictive cult you're stuck in.

        The New and Mean Esther Hicks Scam

        "Get out! I'm not kidding!"

        No speculating on Esther's new personality traits here, but I hope some readers will volunteer their own conclusions.

        Esther Hicks, who had always made some of Abraham's odder, confusing or simply contradictory statements palatable with her sweetness and humor, has recently adopted an aggressively nasty approach as a tactic.

        While most became really aware of it in a recent contentious session in San Francisco, she's made trial runs at it as long as a year and a half ago.

        While the old Esther would once in a while exclaim, "We're done with you!" or "Get out!" to people in the hot seat, it was playful.

        The audiences laughed because the attitude was so unlike Esther, they knew she was joking. Not anymore.

        She is really kicking them out now, and it seems to be only the most vulnerable who get an unexpected public rejection. Here's an example on a forum thread.

        When reading examples from the Abraham-Hicks Forum, as in the link above and others to follow, remember that this forum is designed to fit the marketing messages of Abraham-Hicks.

        Only true believers are allowed, and controversial or contrary voices have been quickly deleted by moderators since the forum's founding.

        Even so, some express genuine concern before being corrected by others who are almost rapturous about watching the "booting" of people from the hot seat.

        Examples of people who paid to be there and were individually selected by Esther before being kicked out after as little as few words are a woman troubled by a divorce, another with a question about dying and a man who was ejected finally after pleading to have the question he was called up to ask heard.

        Esther Hicks's point of view is that talking about problems enhances them, an argument made decades ago as an objection to talk therapy in psychoanalysis.

        At this point however, this seems to include even the smallest sorting out to clarify mentally, something she once gently helped hot seat questioners to do.

        She orders them now to forget about history, a convenient gimmick, of course, for a speaker with a highly questionable one full of contradictions and allegations of fraud and exploitation.

        Interestingly, where she once (posing as Abraham, as I feel compelled to remind believers and non-believers alike) told her audiences that they were "on the leading edge of thought," she now tells them to stop thinking and to "feel your way into the Vortex."

        She even excoriates and kicks out questioners who say they've come to an "intellectual" understanding of the teachings. Doubters will certainly have conclusions about why she prefers followers who have no interest in critical thinking or objective analysis.

        But what about Esther Hicks's followers? If you read the threads, you'll see that many of these folks, again at least 80% women, not only spend many hours on the forum reinforcing each others' convictions, they also subscribe to seminar DVDs and CDs as well as attending many workshops in person as well as cruises, all of which are rather pricey.

        Don't they have "problems" too?

        Apparently not. The tone of the forums is one of self-congratulation on their special status and mutual petting.

        That's all fine. Who cares if girlfriends help build each others' self-esteem? However, when it comes to a discussion of the "booting" of people from the hot seat for the slightest infraction, little sympathy or empathy exists.

        The forum members come off as having a conviction that the people who had the nerve to bring their troubles to the stage for discussion deserved to be kicked out because they were "OOV," or out of Vortex in the vernacular of the true believers.

        They come off like a group of snotty sorority sisters who assert their tenuous self-assurance and narcissism by reminding themselves that the poor losers deserved a public rejection because they'd showed themselves as unable to rise about their problems as they themselves had.

        This all is consistent with Esther and Jerry Hicks longstanding policy of rejecting charities and of blaming the victim.

        In an interview I read recently, they even unhesitatingly blamed Jewish culture for the Holocaust and argued that babies were responsible, as a result of their thinking, for their being abused by adults.

        In the world of Abraham-Hicks, it doesn't take two to tango. In fact, we always tango alone, no matter what we think.

        Isn't liberating to recognize no responsibility toward our community, nation or even the world community?

        If you're not thriving or remain stuck with your problems, the Esther Hicks answer is simple: You're not letting it in. Who's fault is that? Certainly not that of Esther Hicks, Abraham or their congregation of self-satisfied followers.

        Nothing here proves an Esther Hicks scam, but much does make it seem more easily understood.

        © 2011 David Stone

        Any comments about the Esther Hicks? Here's your place to speak up!

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            David Stone 16 months ago from New York City

            Thanks, and keep up the good work. You will get there.

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            David28078 16 months ago

            Mr. Stone, thank you for your writing. You have shown more patience and grace than I have historically shown. I'm working on it. Really. I enjoy expanding my spiritual pedestal and you have saved me time and emotional investment. When I come across a new age teacher I remember the saying about a puppy litter - don't name it unless you want to keep it. You know what I mean. The best of 2016 to you.

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            David Stone 19 months ago from New York City

            Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mike.

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            Mike 19 months ago

            Interesting article. I own a number of Esther Hicks' books and have enjoyed reading them. I don't tend to buy into anything 100% as I feel this is a bad idea in general. Yet. I feel that many of the ideas that she presents are very helpful. It's not because I'm in love with Esther and Jerry but because the ideas seem to make sense. Ideally, our spiritual guidance should come from within, not by listening to other people. Is the value of the message dependent upon the sincerity of the messenger? There are many teachers of the more traditional religious beliefs who are very sincere and yet unknowingly they are propagating a message that is dis-empowering and harmful. Just as harmful doctrine is propagated by sincere individuals, perhaps much real benefit and help is delivered by means of imperfect scammers.

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            David Stone 24 months ago from New York City

            Hey, I see Abraham-Hicks has started sending sock puppets out to make personal attacks on critics of their spirituality business. I congratulate you on the effort. For the first time, the sock puppets are literate enough to write a grammatical sentence with everything spelled correctly. Previously, it seemed the anger was so intense, it forced a kind of incoherence.

            Good job, here. Keep up the good work.

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            Csharp 24 months ago

            Oh look - a jealous, whining prima donna who hasn't done anything to uplift mankind in his life - harping on a successful happy couple and claiming to point out disrespect while he makes an industry and living dancing on the grave of a dead man.

            Who are YOU to tell anyone what to believe in?

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            David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

            Are you kidding? They never let the mistakes see the light of day on YouTube. That's all paid promotion.

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            Rachel 2 years ago

            Where are the angry videos??

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            Birthday Wishes 3 years ago from Here

            Great lens!

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Sorry to bust your bubble, Tina F., but I don't have "such hostility within" (or without), and I don't care who makes money, never have. I happened to have made a pretty decent amount of it myself, without a "vibrational escrow," I should add. And my best results came from having a good work ethic and not from changing my "vibration," whatever that may be. I'm in perfect health and have never had anything worse than the flu, the last of those over twenty years ago. So, according to Esther Hicks' teachings, as they are called by members of the cult, shouldn't my "hostility within" have caused discomfort, pain or illness?I understand that it's easier to turn the tables and point accusing fingers at the messenger than to think about your own cult conditioning, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Every one of the premises you're relying on to justify membership in the cult is wrong. Think about it while you're still young and can contribute as an adult in a responsible way. We are rooting for you to come out from hiding in this defensive, life-denying belief system.

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            @David Stone1: I'm sure they would only show love to you. I feel sad for you that you have such hostility within that you feel the need to pour it out onto others. There's nothing wrong with making money as you share your gift with the world. If Bill Gates hadn't shared his gift, the world would certainly be a different play today. I love that your negativity has added wonderful things to my vibrational escrow. And I appreciate that nothing you could possibly ever say could harm the Abraham-Hicks team, anyone else, or me.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: It's been an interesting dialogue. Thanks, Susie.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Great to stop by here again to read what people have to say. Very interesting, and great the way you get readers to share. :)

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Although not as many as before, a good number of people feel as you do. I'm not sure Oprah still does.Anyway, if you come back for a visit, some details about how the "teachings" have helped you specifically would be helpful in balancing the comments. Thanks.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            @David Stone1: OPRAH is a huge fan and claims to sleep with "Ask and it is Given" by her bed.. The teachings have helped me, I think they are great.

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            dkscully 4 years ago

            I am still kinda new to the whole A-H stuff, so I am not a die-hard fanatic by any means, and still kind of skeptical for some of the reasons you pointed out. But I do have a criticism of your site. Some of the allegations you make are pretty vague, and many/most of them are not backed up by sources or citations of any sort. For example, you claim that A-H "blames the victims" and said "in an interview" that babies are to blame for their own abuse because of their beliefs (same with Holocaust victims), but you didn't say WHAT interview, date, place, anything about it where I could listen to the words coming out of Esther's mouth and decide if that's what she really said. I only say this because I have noticed that some of what you claim she said was taken out of context or exaggerated in some ways. Let me be a little more specific. You say she claimed that anyone could heal themselves if they just removed their resistance (or something to that effect), and then Jerry HIcks died of cancer after getting chemo. But I have read everything I can about this particular subject, and nowhere did I see her say that Jerry was immune to the problems of being human. Nowhere did she say, "Jerry's going to have a painless death because he believes this stuff." I think we have to give him credit for his human faults. She has said many times that if we all lived by this stuff 100% we wouldn't even be here. And she has said that Jerry had a fear of cancer due to it running in his family, implying that he might have been hyper-focused on it.So I guess what I'm saying is that I would love to look at every angle of this and make my own decision, but you make it hard when you say things like "Esther was mean" and don't give any examples (well, one. But it wasn't exactly clear what the exchange was either, and there's no dates or mention of which exact talk it was so I can't watch it for myself).I don't know. You claim she is just a money-grubbing cult leader. If she's just trying to make money, how come so much of her talks are free? I haven't paid one dime to her and I've gotten a LOT of free material from the Internet. Scientology, as an example, will not let you learn their stuff unless you pay them money. All I'm saying is, please be more specific in your examples of "abuse", or give a link to the talk, or at least tell which talk you are referring to, if you want me to believe you.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @steph-naylor: You're welcome, and I'm glad it was helpful.

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            steph-naylor 4 years ago

            This Lens was just what I was looking for! Thanks for the useful info!

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Phil, if you believe your claims about "classic logic argument error style," why do you follow the Abraham Hicks' technique of never explaining your contention. Just a quick tip for you: if you're hoping to defend Esther Hicks, I wouldn't take an logic tactic. The whole presentation is fabulous and would fall apart on any logical basis. Logic isn't everything, but when you trot it out, you might want to think twice because someone might ask you to use it. In that event, you will fail. Totally.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Sorry to disappoint, Jack, but it has not back fired as you predicted. It was never misleading in the first place. Naturally, you never state and describe any example. PS: It has definitely been worth the money. Still is. If Abraham were as popular as you seem to think, it would be worth more, but alas, the audience is shrinking since the real genius behind Abraham died.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            @anonymous: I agree with you. Whoever this David person is, his writings and logic against Esther and/or Abraham seems to me to be pretty biased and somewhat non-logical. He seems to come to conclusions in classic logic argument error style.

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            dellgirl 4 years ago

            This is a wonderful lens, you have shared lots of information and much to think about! I learned something, thank you for sharing. **Blessed by a Squid-Angel**

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: Ah yes, I agree. Oh well, who knows about Esther- it seems like alot of trouble to go through to fake it all! You have to hand it to her if she is a fake :)

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: I believe that everyone channels, but only a small number are cons.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: Do you believe that all 'channelling' is fake? Or just Esther?

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @myraggededge: To answer your first question, several of us who write about Abraham Hicks are well aware of tactics used by Esther and Jerry for years. In the last years of his life, Jerry hardly slept. He stayed up all night trolling the internet for negative comment, and when found something, he had an employee, acting as sock puppet, go in under a false name and make a glowing comments of praise. Employees and friends were also asked to phony up Amazon reviews. Read a few. Unless you're exceptionally dense, the fakes are really obvious. As far as successful followers, I'm not going to quibble with you. She said that successful people "follow the principles of the Hicks." Was she admitting something or did she just forget that they are supposed to be Abraham's principles? So, why can't any of your name a few? I personally know several who dumped Esther and Jerry in frustration, disappointment and outright anger. Oprah should be ashamed of herself for not coming out, now that she knows better. I don't remember you comment, but I was out of the country for ten days up to yesterday. If your comment is relevant to the section and has something to add, then you'd have been approved. Ergo, it didn't fit either criteria, whatever it was.

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            myraggededge 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: Common occurrence? How can you tell? Michelle did not say that many successful people follow A-H. She said they 'follow the principles' - a different thing altogether - based on their expectations.Maybe Oprah doesn't follow A-H anymore, but she was pretty adamant that the Law of Attraction has helped her succeed.I noticed you did not approve my comment submitted the other day. Possibly because I have actually attended a workshop and subscribed to the CDs, whereas, you obviously, are basing your accusations and slurs on a few out of context Youtube clips.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Michelle, what you are claiming is true about "successful people" is not close to accurate. I don't know of a single individual who is a leader in his or her field that follows A-H. Neither do you really or you would have mentioned at least one. I know several who once followed, like Oprah, but now avoid them. You mention your own "huge results" without listing a single one. Comment planted by AHP. Common occurance.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            I think it's much easier to sit back and be a critic when things don't seem to jive. It takes a bigger leap of faith, creativity, and imagination to look for the gold in any situation. If you study the habits of successful people you will see that they follow the principles of the Hicks. People with high expectation of winning, win. For me, I have seen huge results in my life from the book I read: ask and it is given. The principles are not far off from those in: psycho cybernetics which is based on the study of a lot of top notch CEOs and athletes. Cheers!

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: David, please take a chill pill...I guess your point in writing these blogs is to capitalize on Abraham's popularity. sigh...but you are so off with misleading information and neg. comments ...that it will soon back fire on you... David Stone...whatever it is you are trying to do-it is not worth the money you think you are or will be making from this attention.

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            miaponzo 5 years ago

            Wow! I have never heard of this before! Blessed!

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @religions7: I was kind of inclined that way myself, more out of boredom than compassion, I confess, but a second viewing showed me that the car story seemed to have invented to make it match the marketing scheme, which suggested she was consciously acting out in a story for effect, trying to win back some of her audience lost to callous, manipulative behavior. I was still bored, though.My conclusion was borne out in her latest seminar when she actually got weepy (Remember, this supposed to be Abraham, not Esther.) while explaining how her dead husband had shown up to help sign the books waiting to be sold on their table. This took place immediately before a break where they would be available to for sale and was preceded by other sentimental tales of life with Jerry. My conclusion was that she would use his death, just as she did his illness, in any way she could think of to sell books and tickets. She has not earned anyone's sympathy and continues to manipulate vulnerable followers for profit. We need to keep discussing.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @religions7: I was kind of inclined that way myself, more out of boredom than compassion, I confess, but a second viewing showed me that the car story seemed to have invented to make it match the marketing scheme, which suggested she was consciously acting out in a story for effect, trying to win back some of her audience lost to callous, manipulative behavior. I was still bored, though.My conclusion was borne out in her latest seminar when she actually got weepy (Remember, this supposed to be Abraham, not Esther.) while explaining how her dead husband had shown up to help sign the books waiting to be sold on their table. This took place immediately before a break where they would be available to for sale and was preceded by other sentimental tales of life with Jerry. My conclusion was that she would use his death, just as she did his illness, in any way she could think of to sell books and tickets. She has not earned anyone's sympathy and continues to manipulate vulnerable followers for profit. We need to keep discussing.

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            religions7 5 years ago

            Esther looks just lost in that workshop in which she talks about the car crashing. It's just sad. With all she's going through, having recently lost her husband and all, I feel that perhaps it's time to stop hounding her and move on. She'll get her karma, let's hope she gets some sort of life back when the dust settles.

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            cr00059n 5 years ago

            Looks like an article that will prove useful for me. Thanks for explaining.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @Ahnalira: Seems to me, savoring this, that clarity must be a reward for grasping freedom.

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            Ahnalira 5 years ago

            It's been a long road of learning for me. 14 years of attending workshops and cruises and listening to recordings, 6 years of working for the AHP organization. For me, the concepts are real - it's the teachers who fall short of integrity, congruity, and authenticity.I learned alot and evolved in my understandings and applications. While what I learned from Jerry and Esther may be different than what they intended to teach, I am a more integrated and aligned person for having had the experience. I have no regrets, and I appreciate who I am becoming as a result of all of it.All that said, I will offer this: The concepts are available in many places and for fewer $$. I wrote my thesis on the influence of perceptual bias on outcomes in 1981 and found many studies and sources on the topic. Google is free; >) Whatever is happening with Esther on stage, the evidence of marketing to create a cult-like following is irrefutable from where I sit, and the result of that marketing makes the teacher incongruent to the teachings. As well, the more "Abraham" expresses the opinions of Jerry and Esther (aka copyright protection and action toward that), the more it seems that "Abraham" is a sockpuppet for Jerry and Esther's business promotion. As Rumi says, Our beyond right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there. Everyone is doing the best they know how. For Esther, I send much compassion for her loss of her best friend, partner, and sweetheart, Jerry. For Jerry, I wish a continual journey into more and more light and love. For myself, I am happy to be open and forthright and willing to share openly my experience.

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            Aquavel 5 years ago

            Fascinating reading. Never heard of the Hicks but I've known a few charismatic self proclaimed prophets & teachers in my life. It's very rare that they live by their own words & teachings, especially as time goes on. Instead of empowering people, they end up taking the power away from the very people who believe in them and support them. I'll get off my soapbox. ~ Excellent lens! Clear assessment of situation. Thought provoking questions.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but all I know is that Jerry and Esther Hicks work has changed my life for the better. They give me hope and have felt consistently better fhe last 4 1/2yrs that I have been listening and reading their material. I certainly hope that Esther continues to give us Abraham's wisdom now that Jerry has passed.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @Kyra1985: Right, Kyra. The "teachings" are that what you think about empowers it. Therefore, think only about what you like and ignore the rest. Imagine where human awareness would be now i explorers, scientists and artists had just stuck with what was easy. Discomfort is the driving force in human civilization, not Esther Hicks version of "happy, happy, happy."

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            Kyra1985 5 years ago

            @anonymous: Brett Pavel, As Dave mentioned, the free material is a marketing gimmick. Magazines like Cosmo and Men's Health also offer tons of free information. It's not cause they care about whether or not you lose those extra 10lbs. It's because they want to lure you in so they can sell you their other products. It's a popular marketing scheme used by most self-help companies. In terms of pricing, their materials are pretty much industry standard. In fact, I've never even seen them offer discounts on their website. As for their work being available at libraries, so are Cosmo and Men's Health. It doesn't mean anything except that their work is available at libraries.I will agree that Esther and Jerry have always said that they do not attempt "to recruit followers or present their work as anything but an offering of information to those who wish to exercise their own free will to choose." However, many cult leaders say the same thing, so I'm not really surprised. You say the teachings are 100% about self empowerment. However, I do not hear self-empowerment when I hear someone saying that rape and abuse victims attract that experience. I hear victim-blame. As for critical thinking, Abraham has said that skepticism does not serve people and that there is a wide gap between skepticism and hopefulness, so I have a hard time believing they are encouraging critical thinking, especially if you are being skeptical of one of the plethora of unverifiable assumptions their materials make. Being skeptical of assumptions is an important aspect of critical thinking.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: As I've said before, Brett, beauty isn't the only thing that's in the eye of the beholder. My opinions can be seen as "distortions" by true believers, but there isn't a single untruth here, just some truths so unpleasant you'd prefer they weren't exposed. Typical of true believers, you make accusations without providing a single example. The much mentioned freebies from AHP are all marketing gimmicks, and if you believe they charge "very little for the materials they offer," you've managed to ignore the going rates for the same or similar products and services. They are, on average, well above the average, realizing, of course, as with other religious movements, their followers are hooked.Your last paragraph, seen objectively, reads like the mindless rationalization of a cult addict. It doesn't even approach accuracy.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            Sadly your ramblings are full of untruths and distortions. Jerry and Esther have offered help to thousands at little or no cost (unless you want to attend their live events) with a message of love. They could have run a tax free church institution but instead run a business that charges very little for the materials they offer, and much of their work is available free or at the local library.Esther and Jerry have never attempted to recruit followers or present their work as anything but an offering of information to those who wish to exercise their own free will to choose. Their teachings are 100% about self empowerment and never about surrendering the individual's personal critical thinking.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: You're right, Julie. Esther immediately rescheduled a workshop when Jerry died. More interesting still, she implied he will have a role in future channeling, whatever that may be. Creative minds are at work.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            Jerry Hicks died, I believe, on Nov. 18. Someone just sent me an email stating that the Phoenix workshop which was previously cancelled is now back on again -- for Dec. 10. I guess the death of Jerry does not mean the death of Abraham.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @SandyMertens: Thanks, Sandy. I will do that.

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            Sandy Mertens 5 years ago from Frozen Tundra

            Blessed! Please add this to the non-Zazzle plexo on my Zazzle and Blessings for November 2011 lens.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @yayas: The message was once clear and straight, borrowed of course, but fairly straight. As the years have passed, it evolved in a not so enlightened way. Thanks for your comment.

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            yayas 5 years ago

            I personally never heard of Esther or Jerry Hicks. After reading this post, I think I'm glad. Very curious way of teaching love, if you ask me. Or did I misunderstand the message? Very interesting post, though.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Have you always had such depth? Wow! Based on your comment, I'm going to change everything and follow some empty phrase tosser as you have.What have I been missing all my life.Your identity is "a hicks fan?" (apostrophe missing) And you call being an acolyte in a scam having a life?Get with it. Live a little.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            Get a life, do you have nothing better to do .

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @GrowWear: More fun operating your own brain than letting others take it over, I think.

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            GrowWear 5 years ago

            No cult for me, thanks. :)

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: And I'm really curious to know why you think I'd pass along information to an "anonymous" request.

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            anonymous 6 years ago

            @David Stone1: Where have you gotten this information? I've never seen anything to indicate that E&J had any involvement in The Abe Forum whatsoever. I agree wholeheartedly with criticisms of the forum being rigidly controlled (in a very un-Abeish fashion, I might add), but that has nothing to do with E&J or Abraham. That's Jody and David. (Is Jody still involved?)Anyway, I'm really curious to know if you have anything with which to substantiate your claim.

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @LongShot-X: They have enough followers to keep a road show going pretty much year round and a couple of cruises, too. Last year, they toured England and Australia. They also sell enough books to consistently rank high in Amazon. People, I think, are hoping for some secret sort of insight that puts them ahead of everyone else, but they want it to be very easy. This is kind of like Harold Hill's "think system" in The Music Man. If you think about it hard and long enough and refuse to allow doubt, you'll persuade yourself it's effective, regardless of the facts in front of you. That's how I see it happening, anyway. The meanness just fuel a narcissistic thing for exceptionalism among the followers.

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            LongShot-X 6 years ago

            I know you said you weren't kidding, but this is a really funny lens that makes these clowns look like clowns. Good exposure. How many people you figure actually fall for this stuff? Be curious to do the math and see how much Esther and Jerry are raking in from sucker punching an audience.

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            anonymous 6 years ago

            @David Stone1: Their work is expensive, not fake. You are adding angry to poor.

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: They did, but they never admitted it. They, especially Jerry, had approval rights over the Abe Forum, and David Gordon and Jody Barron were the visible leaders only after getting their approval. The rules set by them were geared toward controlling the brand, the Abraham cash cow. Much worse things have been said about them and sometimes by former intimates. If your only objection is the claim that they ran a forum. I'll give you that. David and Jody ran it in a day to day sense, but Jerry and Esther controlled the content.

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            anonymous 6 years ago

            esther & jerry hicks do not run any forum.

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @Kyra1985: Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. Maybe it was real once. Now, all that's real is Esther and Jerry's absorption in their lifestyle and the gaggle of acolytes.

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            Kyra1985 6 years ago

            Beautifully worded. I love how you set this up with back story. I think we are starting to see the dangers of this sort of "only in the vortex discussion allowed!" Whatever happened to pivoting? Whatever happened to it not being possible for me to jump from over here to over there?

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