Porn in today's world including the Christian one. Is it epidemic?

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  1. tsmog profile image85
    tsmogposted 2 months ago

    This could have been placed in social issues, but it wasn't.

    15 Mind-Blowing Statistics About Pornography And The Church by Mission Frontiers (Nov-Dec 2020)
    https://www.missionfrontiers.org/issue/ … the-church

    What The Numbers Show

    The research studies, primarily by the Barna Group and Covenant Eyes, reveal that initial exposure to porn begins in childhood and progresses.
    Access to porn is increasingly easy due to the wide variety of formats now available, such as printed materials, the internet, DVDs, television and more.
    Let’s look at some data to see the scope and effects of porn in society and the church.

    1. Over 40 million Americans are regular visitors to porn sites. The average visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds

    2. There are around 42 million porn websites, which totals around 370 million pages of porn.

    3. The porn industry’s annual revenue is more than the NFL, NBA, and MLB combined. It is also more than the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC.

    4. 47% of families in the United States reported that pornography is a problem in their home. Pornography use increases the marital infidelity rate by more than 300%.

    5. 11 is the average age that a child is first exposed to porn, and 94% of children will see porn by the age of 14.

    6. 56% of American divorces involve one party having an “obsessive interest” in pornographic websites.

    7. 70% of Christian youth pastors report that they have had at least one teen come to them for help in dealing with pornography in the past 12 months.

    8. 68% of church-going men and over 50% of pastors view porn on a regular basis. Of young Christian adults 18-24 years old, 76% actively search for porn.

    9. 59% of pastors said that married men seek their help for porn use.


    10. 33% of women aged 25 and under search for porn at least once per month.

    11. Only 13% of self-identified Christian women say they never watch porn—87% of Christian women have watched porn.

    12. 55% of married men and 25% of married women say they watch porn at least once a month.

    13. 57% of pastors say porn addiction is the most damaging issue in their congregation. 69% say porn has adversely impacted the church.

    More stats is discovered at . . .
    Pornography Statistics by Covenant Eyes (There is a section dedicated to stats for porn in the church.
    https://www.covenanteyes.com/pornstats/

    A world perspective. The US is #1 by leaps and bounds as a world leader.
    Pornhub study reveals 2022 trends and which countries watch the most sex online by Yahoo News (Dec 14, 2022)
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pornhub-study … 25260.html

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/17198553_f496.jpg

    This is a deep dive into the porn world. Take caution for feeling offended, yet facts are facts.

    Some questions . . .

    Should there be any concern about porn as sex is natural?

    Is porn like marijuana a gateway shall we say to 'worse sin'?

    What does the porn trend say about temptation in the Religious/Christian or secular world/realm?

    Does porn lead to sex scandals, i.e. church leaders, political leaders, educators, etc?

    Virtual Porn with a VR headset is the new rage it seems.

    Too close to reality?

    What is supposed that will lead to?

    Thoughts, criticisms, accolades, and commentary?

    1. wilderness profile image89
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      To answer any of your questions would require a firm definition of just what "porn" consists of.  Opinions and definitions along the line of Potter Steward's "I know it when it see it" remove it from rational discussion to a very personal definition that likely no one else will agree with.  As such it is not truly debatable or even something that can be discussed.

      1. tsmog profile image85
        tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Okay, I appreciate your opinion.

      2. GA Anderson profile image81
        GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        What the hell! We get a thread about Christians and porn and you pee on the Cheerios. ;-)

        I was having a blast contemplating replies to the OP. None of them ended seriously so I just let them go.

        Of course, your reply is right, but maybe it would only be 'slightly' irrational to discuss the concepts generally. And Tsmog's questions were valid for folks with different views on porn. In this case, the issue is 'the name,' not 'what's in it.'

        For instance; the statistics are specific to Christians and their families (the stats seem suspicious to me, but I'm not a church-goer, so what do I know). So, It wouldn't matter if one family thought bare butts were porn (as seen in Hollywood sex scenes) and another thought that was fine but displays of penetration were porn for them.  The questions were about porn, not what porn is.

        That's all I had. I'm pretty ambivalent about porn, so I can't offer much for the OP's questions.
        .
        GA

        1. wilderness profile image89
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          And if "real" porn is sexual acts with pre-teen children?  Are you still ambivalent?

          1. GA Anderson profile image81
            GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            That's not porn, that's pedophilia.

            GA

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              And THAT'S the problem, I think.  These things are not well defined, and we all have different definitions.

              (Why can't it be both?  A "subsection", if you will, of the wider "porn" category?)

              1. IslandBites profile image92
                IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                It is not. Any sexual act with a minor, "porn"/video/photo, or not, is pedophilia and is illegal.

                1. wilderness profile image89
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I did not intend the actual act to be pornography; only the video/photos of it.  As such, are those photos porn, or are they pedophilia even though only a piece of paper (or digital representation of that paper)?  Can that paper be legal pedophilia or just proof it happened?

                  Nor does it stop there.  Is a photo of bestiality "porn" or "bestiality", which is illegal.  Is the picture of a naked person walking down the street "porn" or "indecent exposure", which is illegal?  I'm sure there are others.

                  1. IslandBites profile image92
                    IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    As such, are those photos porn, or are they pedophilia even though only a piece of paper (or digital representation of that paper)?

                    Still, it is illegal porn that depicts pedophilia/child pornography and whoever produces it and/or watch, own, is committing a crime.

              2. GA Anderson profile image81
                GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                The point of my comment was with 'porn' as a thing (a perception), not a description of a thing.

                From that perspective, I think the generally understood parameters of the OP's group, Christians, are defined enough to discuss the questions without specifying the 'thing.' The respondents were speaking (the stats) to the thing, not the type of the thing.

                The info presented wasn't about judging whether the respondent's view of porn was right or wrong, but simply it's involvement in their life.

                GA

                1. wilderness profile image89
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Are they?  My elderly mother, a devout Christian, was absolutely appalled at the nude statues in Greece and Italy.  I don't think most Christians (in the US) would consider that to be porn, or the paintings of the renaissance for that matter, but both were absolute porn...to her, and she was not alone.  A minority, but not alone.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image69
                    Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Oh, I so wanted to...

                    But out of respect for your mum, I'll refrain.

                  2. GA Anderson profile image81
                    GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Okay, you win.

                    GA

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    11 is too young for porn.
    Kids need to stay innocent for as long as possible to develop their potentials and become capable of survival.

    Addiction to porn-viewing for teens is a very, very terrible thing. If parents are negligent and their children end up becoming exposed to porn through the use of computers and screens of all types, then they never even should have had a child. They never should have even had sex themselves, if they could not commit to preventing their offspring from seeing sex acts on the internet.

    After all, babies are here from the arms of the angels and the peace and bliss of the astral plane.

    Keep new souls on earth as close to the astral plane as possible.
    They need to feel joy of life to grow and develop. It comes from being in touch with their higher God nature, from whence we all came.
    Don't rob them of their source of joy and happiness: their own pure loving souls.

    Not their greedy, sense-experience craving egos.
    Those egos will waken soon enough.
    Let them have their childhoods.
    Let them develop their innate talents, explore what makes them happy on earth and find passions to help bring the world out of its darkness or contribute in some meaningful way.

    1. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Appreciate the response.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Your response seems chilly.
        How come?

        The info you bring is shocking and alarming.
        The earth is a very terrible place and we battle to make it better for ourselves and others. Parents have a big responsibility when they produce offspring.
        We all do, when dealing with children.

        https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bibl … TT+18.html

        1. tsmog profile image85
          tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          One element was the graphic sharing the amount of traffic from the US. Why is the US #1 by such a large margin? Maybe it means nothing? I don't know. As Wilderness implied what is porn to one person very well may not be porn to another. Yet, seems there is concern about it.

          The link next is a Google landing page about porn usage. I found it interesting with several articles discussing 16 states recognize porn as a public health issue. Be sure to go beyond the first page of information.

          https://www.google.com/search?client=fi … +a+concern

          One that caught my attention is . . .

          Countries Where Porn Is Illegal 2024 by World Population Review
          https://worldpopulationreview.com/count … is-illegal

          "Is pornographic material free speech that should be protected, or is it obscenity and even a public health concern? While we all have our own personal opinions, the countries in which we live have the final legal say in the matter—and some countries have deemed pornography not only immoral, but also illegal. Countries like the United States and Canada have little-to-no censorship thanks to laws guaranteeing free speech and the ways the courts interpret those laws. Other countries are much more stringent, and some go so far as to censor or block pornography on the internet. Censorship laws tend to correlate strongly with countries' levels of overall freedom."

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    I trusted your initial questions and information. Thanks for revealing we need to look deeper.

    in 2010, I had an Asian Art History professor who taught us to question the content of all authors. Its tiresome to always doubt what you read, but of course, in this world, it is imperative.
    What a terrible world.

    1. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Thanks for revealing we need to look deeper."

      Maybe?

      Just for info . . .

      These 16 U.S. States Passed Resolutions Recognizing Porn as a Public Health Issue by Fight the New Drug (unsure of publication date)
      https://fightthenewdrug.org/states-with … solutions/

      Since 2016, 16 states and counting have declared porn a public health crisis:

      Alabama — Senate Resolution Passed (2020)

      Arkansas — House Resolution Passed (2017)

      Arizona — House Resolution Passed (2019)

      Florida — House Resolution Passed (2018)

      Idaho — House Concurring Resolution Passed (2018)

      Kansas — House Resolution Passed (2017)

      Kentucky — Senate Resolution Passed (2018)

      Louisiana — House Resolution Passed (2017)

      Missouri — Senate Concurring Resolution Passed (2018)

      Montana — House Resolution Passed (2019)

      Oklahoma — House Concurring Resolution Passed (2017)

      Pennsylvania — House Resolution Passed (2018)

      South Dakota — Senate Concurring Resolution Passed (2017)

      Tennessee — Senate Joint Resolution Passed (2017)

      Utah — Senate Concurring Resolution Passed (2016)

      Virginia — House Resolution Passed (2017) *Unofficial due to Virginia rules on resolutions.

      Bonus possible 17th state: Texas — Texas has held a hearing regarding the resolution on the public health harms of pornography on April 24, 2019. We’re waiting to hear if a resolution has been passed.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    I am beyond being interested at this point, but thank you anyway.

    1. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Okay, thanks for contributing. Morality is a difficult subject to discuss. That is why I put it in the Religion and Philosophy topic, though it could have been placed in Politics and Social Issues or possibly in Gender and Relationships.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Morality?
        is that what we were discussing?
        I thought we were discussing science.
        The science of humans and their potential to become addicted. They can become addicted to anything involving the need for some sort of happiness/bliss.
        We do not know how to comfort ourselves, naturally. We do not know how to love children, We we do not know how to love God and work for a world infused with his wisdom. His wisdom equates to love, logic, common sense and all things scientifically true and real.
        Addiction is a terrible thing.
        God is beautiful and the only lasting relief. That is science.

        1. tsmog profile image85
          tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I suspect it could be about anything. Isn't that the trend in these forums?

      2. Ken Burgess profile image69
        Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Individuality taken to the extreme, lack of family focus,

        Feminism, wealthiest nation in the world.

        There are a lot of contributing factors, the experts say that it is expected that more than half of American women in the coming years will be childless.

        Not that having a family in America today is easy or financially wise, the State wants to control your kids and jail you for looking at them sideways, the woman has an excellent chance of winning a divorce and collecting the majority of the man's paycheck, regardless of the reasons for the divorce, in most American states.

        When AI porn Robots come out and they even remotely resemble a real woman, forget it, there won't be more than 10% of American men in a real relationship, the rest will be taking a hard pass.

        1. tsmog profile image85
          tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          "When AI porn Robots come out and they even remotely resemble a real woman, forget it, there won't be more than 10% of American men in a real relationship, the rest will be taking a hard pass."

          As shared in the OP virtual reality with a VR headset is the rage today it appears. Wild guessing at hand, if AI enters the arena I ponder if it will lead to porn being more canned thus conditioning people. I say people because it appears women participate with porn for entertainment if one wishes that is what it is. I suspect it goes much deeper.

          They have realism life size dolls today to those that can afford them. So, I can see 'robots' in the somewhat nearing future.

          With my short excursion I sought articles on the negative effects of porn. Family definitely was one element. As seen from the 15 facts in the OP Using morality as a blanket one could ponder how family values enters the picture I would suppose.

          "4. 47% of families in the United States reported that pornography is a problem in their home. Pornography use increases the marital infidelity rate by more than 300%."

          "6. 56% of American divorces involve one party having an “obsessive interest” in pornographic websites."

          1. Ken Burgess profile image69
            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, its a variety of things, but it is also a reflection of our "success"

            Our success in 'liberating' women from the ideas of old, that they need to birth, care, and nurture children, the future of humanity.

            Convincing the majority of women not just that they can be equal to men, but that they can replace men, exist without men, and by extension a family.

            Convincing women that success in the workplace is of higher value than the satisfaction of having healthy children, loving them, raising them, placing value of family ahead of anything as petty and fleeting as success in the workplace.

            Its all part of the deconstruction of America... and the core values it stood for.  You cannot have a future, unburdened by what has been, until you erase the past and destroy the pillars of what was.

            To include those that value and remember what was and want to cling to it.

            Its why these stories all end the same way... whether its Mao unwriting China's centuries old history and eradicating those that would try to reinstate it... or whether its Pol Pot... the Bolshevik Revolution which ultimately brought Stalin.

            Tens of millions were put to death in one fashion or another to bring about those 'revolutions'... ours is clearly heading the same way, it will be interesting to see if Harris is but a stepping stone to this transformation, much like Lenin was, Lenin ultimately did little other than pave the way for the transition to what became Stalinism.

            I think our time is near... so many Americans believe it to be impossible, but as the wars expand and our Bills come due (that 36 Trillion dollar deficit that is currently growing by a Trillion every couple months) ... it appears we are pretty close to America having such a 'revolution'.

            I think a majority of Americans who can retreat into AI interactive porn will do so, along with drugs and indulging in the instant gratification available to them... rather than deal with a America that is very different in the not so distant future.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    Yes, we go in tangents ... and thats okay.

    I'll admit I'm addicted to discussing politics/social science here.
    I guess thats good for HP. Hopefully, anyway ...
    ~ cuz I know Im guilty of addiction to the stimulus of keyboarding and reading comments
    and its not that great for me, in the final analysis, when I could be doing real things in the real world ...

    1. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      I can empathize with the sentiment of contributing at HP. However, with a different lens I am not completely sold it is a negative addiction if one views it as an addiction. For me, it is a social thing. I have a much smaller social circle today in retirement. Being on HubPages forums is a social event for me as well as being on Facebook.

      As far as commenting in the politics arena I have shared elsewhere I am not on a side especially emotionally. That as well as I don't have a large enough knowledge base especially historically speaking. I began actively being in the politics and social issue topic and the Books, Literature, and Writing Topic where creative writers formed a group now fading away in 2014 about the time I retired.

      I comment not to be argumentative or in adversarial context, but for feedback allowing me to assess my positions and beliefs, which are open to change. Otherwise I seek to learn and I read every post pretty much on the topic side of the fence and also on the HubPages business side too. For me the HP forums are fun, fun, fun . . .

      BTW . . . what do you think of the recent changes HP is doing with eliminating the majority of the Niche sites? Rumor is HP may be sold or even dissolved.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Changes, changes! Dissolved? I will cry.
        You, Ken B., actually contribute greatly to making current events more understandable.
        And interesting! If I were a public high-school school teacher I would have my students read these debates every morning before starting class. Well, not this thread.
        smile

  6. abwilliams profile image68
    abwilliamsposted 2 months ago

    Sick, sicker and sickest. That's  my contribution to this. I will only add, people need the Lord!

    1. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Amen!

  7. tsmog profile image85
    tsmogposted 2 months ago

    Respecting the position shared by Wilderness; (Paraphrased) "I know pornography when I see it" I did a little poking about. Pornography is protected by the first amendment. However there are obscenity laws that may apply.

    Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Obscenity by Criminal Division / U.S. Department of Justice
    https://www.justice.gov/criminal/crimin … -obscenity

    There are 14 statutes listed.

    The U.S. Supreme Court established the test that judges and juries use to determine whether matter is obscene in three major cases: Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 24-25 (1973); Smith v. United States, 431 U.S. 291, 300-02, 309 (1977); and Pope v. Illinois, 481 U.S. 497, 500-01 (1987).  The three-pronged Miller test is as follows:

    1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion);

    2. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and

    3. Whether a reasonable person finds that the matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

    Any material that satisfies this three-pronged test may be found obscene. 

    It continues from there with more content/context. There is a section on minors.

    [Edit]
    Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Child Pornography by Criminal Division / U.S. Department of Justice
    https://www.justice.gov/criminal/crimin … ornography

    1. wilderness profile image89
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      But the point was that I don't know what the community would say where I live!  In addition it will change radically if the location changes; how can one have a reasonable discussion when every location will change the definition?

      1. tsmog profile image85
        tsmogposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I really don't have a response based on what you established with your first reply paraphrased, "I know porn when I see it." You are right to an extent saying, "how can one have a reasonable discussion when every location will change the definition?" while one can substitute for location person/individual.

        Then comes along 'erotic'. Is eroticism porn or could it be both. A new area to discuss. For instance someone having a foot fetish. Is a video or some type of image or a written description of someone massaging a foot porn? Is someone putting on toe polish porn? I suspect intent may enter that mix? If it is shown on a porn site an assumption may be made it is porn. If on 'X'/Twitter maybe not.

        The established laws would be a starting point both federal and state. I know California does have its laws for pornography. As I see after discovery of the federal laws for obscenity I see it as, while open to change.

        Pornography
        Pornography that is obscene
        Child Pornography

        From Cornell Law School

        "pornography

        Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation. Pornography can take the form of photographs, videos, written material, audio recordings, or animation, among other media formats.

        From that I would presume intent enters the fray. I would presume a site like PornHub shared in the OP does operate with that intent, though I don't know. The same applies to the viewership.

        There is more at the following link by that source
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography

        But, again how an individual(s) or community like a church or civic organization defines porn is I would say open. Back in the 90's a good friend of mine opened a video rental store. He had a shall we say backroom for 'X' rated material. He would have churches petitioning him to remove it frequently. It reached a point where there was an article series in the local newspaper. So, yes, it is controversial.

  8. tsmog profile image85
    tsmogposted 2 months ago

    The Daily Caller a right wing conservative online media source released a documentary video on porn recently.


    A Daily Caller Original Documentary
    Selling Sex
    This disruptive documentary addresses the off-line consequences of the porn industry.
    https://sellingsex.dailycaller.com/home … c+iterable

    "Three Decades of the internet means multiple generations growing up with Access to Digital porn

    Children are now answering the question "what would you like to be when you grow up?" with "OnlyFans model."

    The trailer (1:22 min) can be viewed at the above link. To see the full documentary one must be a 'Patriot' member. The trailer may be surprising to some.

  9. tsmog profile image85
    tsmogposted 2 months ago

    The conservative right news site the Daily Caller has a follow up to there film, Selling Sex.

    Women Find Out The Hard Way That OnlyFans Will Never Deliver A Happily Ever After (Oct 11, 2024)
    https://dailycaller.com/2024/10/11/wome … rnography/

    "I have a friend who did OnlyFans … and now she’s like richer than I could possibly ever imagine,” one woman told the Daily Caller’s investigative team as we tried to figure out what normal people thought of the new-age porn platform.

    It seems we hear these stories all the time. Perhaps it’s a friend of a friend who now drives a Lamborghini because she sells “tasteful” nudes to thousands of followers paying $9.99 a month. Or maybe it’s what we read in the media: the “cash me outside” girl from Dr. Phil who channeled a viral internet clip into a multimillion dollar OnlyFans empire. It all seems so easy; “If these people can do it, why can’t I?” wonder millions of America’s young women."

    Later, the article concludes with . . .

    "But it’s not always the external factors that cause trouble. Brieanna Lorraine is another success story; she’s done very well for herself as an OnlyFans creator. And yet she still struggles with the lifestyle she’s chosen to lead.

    “I know it’s probably not what God wants me to do,” she confessed to the Daily Caller. “I’m human, and I do believe he forgives me.” As for her parents, “They’re not happy with it; we’re not on good terms.

    OnlyFans has delivered a glamorous lifestyle to a select few superstars, but sooner or later, they have to reckon with the costs. Digital pornography is never going to deliver a Happy Ever After."

 
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