The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only attributive and has no physical existence. When Scientists say they don’t see him in anything; in fact they announce that He exists.
I knew being an Atheist Agnostic Humanist etc you cannot refute this argument so you would hide behind the words such as "delusion" or acts like "derision" and "ridicule". I don't mind it because the argument is valid.
[6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103
There is no compulsion to believe it; only if you are conviced at heart.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
What argument? You made a statement contrary to any and all rational thought, not an argument. The same "argument" applies to Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, UFO aliens and the Easter bunny. It applies to any "thing" or idea that is nonexistent (bear in mind that a claim of nonexistence is never possible to prove as it might exist somewhere in Andromeda or another dimension).
Paar, you really need to devote some serious time and study to the field of logic.
I know that is the stance Atheists Agnostics Humanists have to prove; and they cannot do it.
You cannot, no one can prove a negative. Get a life man, seriously.
Not believing in fairies is not a belief system of any sort.
It simply means one can read, comprehend and think.
It is you who needs to prove, heard of burden of proof ?
You seem to be getting quite angry with Atheists, Agnostics and Humanists. Why are you so angry?
Under his previous sock puppet the list was waaay longer!
ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY
1. Scientists failed to find proof for god.
2. I (and my religion) propose that God exists.
3. Therefore, God exists.
A scientis is making a physical experiment.
He is successful in his experiment; he is so jubilant for the successful of the experiment which does not concern the question of existence or no existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; nevertheless he announces no god exists.
I respect the scientist not his conclusion
So the experiments which are related to universe, are not related to religious assumption of god's existence ?
So your ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY + ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS Continues.
Plus you're due on your assumption of Creator-God Allah YHWH's existence. Keep the score.
LOL! You really must be running out of things to preach about. That's one of the funniest ones, yet.
LOL, you've made some statements that were completely absurd before, but this is the best one yet. I'm with the Easter Bunny and Fairy Godmother people up above... except I want a unicorn! Now that we know they exist because they haven't been seen, I want to find one and ride it to work. How cool would that be?
Your argument is self-defeating. In fact i am surprised that you should put in such an inane argument.
So, if I can not see my dead grandfather, he exists!
I don't see any brilliant argument if somebody is making a scientific experiment or study and then all of a sudden he says that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist.
It is not related to his experiment; why should one follow such a person blindly?
Current scientific knowledge does not allow us to conclude a deity does not exist. But that works both ways. It doesn't allow us to conclude a deity does exist either. The current inability of science to address meta-level questions (the "why?" questions) is just that, an inability to address meta-level questions. That says nothing about those questions, and it certainly doesn't answer any of them.
If the premise is that science has not detected a deity (p), then there are two main possible conclusions, a) a deity exists but the nature of current science and the nature of a deity prevents detection, b) a deity does not exist. There are other possibilities, but these are the main two conclusions that can be drawn. The point is that neither conclusion necessarily follows on from the premise (neither can be determined as having to be true based on the premise) which means arguing (p) therefore (a) is as illogical as arguing (p) therefore (b). So arguments where conclusion (a) or (b) are drawn from premise (p) don't pass the most basic evaluation of logic. In other words, they are illogical.
The most that can be said in relation to the hypothesis that a deity exists (if we're using formal logic as a criteria) is that no current scientific evidence supports or refutes that hypothesis. We cannot say more than that without ourselves being unreasonable.
God exists or not; is simply not the job of the Science; they should concentrate on the issues related to their job; and nodody prohibits them from doing their job.
God is an infinite number of possibles. Religionists wot u is need to sez somefink to proob it innit.
UFOs and aliens must be god because we can't them either
It doesn't matter! God exists if they believe or not! He is there, always has been, always will be!
Those who believe in nature or whatever other thing are still using faith! They have faith that God doesn't exist! Blind faith! I chose to have faith that God does exist!
But still, God exists if they believe or not! Someday, all will know the truth!
ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
(1) God exists.
(2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
We already do know the truth about religion. It is nonsense.
We don't mind; it is your own perception; nothing to do with the reality of existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH. You are respectfully excused.
The Sun shines in th Sky; a blind person cannot see it; so just for this Sun won't stop shining.
I agree with you.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!!!
But we don't.
And never will. Another silly Christian fantasy.
Why would they address him this way? His name wasn't Jesus at all? You did know this, didn't you? LOL!
Sanctimonious third person threats. Yeh that should do it!
If there is not a "GOD" it is not religion.
If there is a "God" it is Not religion.
Can you prove that statement wrong???
Please experss yourself fully.
God is not religion.
Look at it as a fan club.
The Elvis Presley fan club is a group of people that give him praise. They have a perception of who Elvis is.
Elvis is not the fan club.
He may or may not appreciate them singing his praises!
That depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their own homes.
In the same way God is not his fan club.
He may not even appreciate them singing his praises
That depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their own homes. And if he wants to he can show special favor to whomever he chooses.
Religion is not God. God is praised in religion.
God may not appreciate them singing his praises that depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their homes, and if he chooses to, he can show special favor to whomever he pleases.
The OP is just another continuation of the same worn out argument.
Just because science cannot find an imaginary "god", that means it exists?
That's completely absurd.
The metaphor "god", you continue to manipulate for your own designed belief system, when the actual truth is more than obvious.
Do you know what a metaphor is? It's a word, to describe something else. Go learn something would ya?
In religion- "god" is a metaphor for self mastery. Control of one's own thoughts and actions. Apply the idea you have of an all powerful "god" to your own thoughts and actions, and the world would be a better place.
The imaginary "god", which you speak of, is just that, in your imagination, drummed up by indoctrination to religion.
So please....either start making sense or go away.
Only because you cannot refute it.
There is nothing to refute and just because you can speak it, doesn't make it irrefutable. You're just playing on words.
Therefore, it makes you nothing more than yet another pretender, lost in a delusional state of mind.
On another note- you can take your OP in a different manner.
Some idiots asks a scientist if they have found "god", and they say no. Of course they are going to say no, because "god" is an imaginary idea, and science only deals with reality.
DUH! and DOUBLE DUH!
Does this mean the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus also exits? And Odin, Neptune, and all of the other ancient Greek and Roman gods cannot be proven to be imaginary by this reasoning! We are overrun by gods in your scenario! Ye gods!
You can't prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist, so it exists! Wow! I now understand how religionists look at things! It is so simple, this means I also have fairy godmother!
And I also have a fairy godmother. Further, as there is only one fairy godmother we must be related! I did live in Georgia for a while, but I hate snakes!?!?
I have further to add to the argument of OP.
[6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103
I see following reasonable argument in the above verse:
Physical senses of the human beings cannot see the Creator-God Allah YHWH; as it is not sensible. If He says that that human senses cannot see Him; so those who only use those senses they must not see Him; their not seeing Him is proof of His existence:
The Jews of the time of Moses wanted to see the Creator-God Allah YHWH with their naked eyes and they asked Moses to ask God to show them His person; this is mentioned in the Bible also but I would give it from Quran:
[2:56] And remember when you said: ‘O Moses, we will by no means believe thee until we see Allah face to face;’ then the thunderbolt overtook you, while you gazed.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=55
They cannot see the explosion of an Atom; so how could they the Creator-God Allah YHWH, the source of all energy.
I can see all of you in anger; while there is nothing to be angry. I am not forcing anything on you. Please feel free.
But you are not saying anything either. Why do you attack with nonsense, and no reason? Are you ill, Usmanali?
Why does it anger you so that scientists have now proven your invisible super being does not exist?
Sorry you are so angry.
Then your eyes deceive you! Your answers are merely humorous to those of us who understand how faulty they are! Truly!
Not at you. Sure, people like that fool who wanted to burn Qurans, yeah, he makes me angry. People who kill doctors, yeah, they make me angry. People who want to turn us into a Christian Nation, yes, those too.
But you? We are just amusing ourselves teasing you over your silly beliefs. No anger.
So, when I place a ROTFLMAO smiley in a post, you take it as anger? We don't live in Bizzaro world where everything is opposite.
Anger? islam gives us best quackery from followers like you. Keep trolling.
God has a body like a man, he's just smarter than everyone, they can't find him if he doesn't want them too.
What is this Hide and seek? He's around but he hides so you can not find him?
as they say on the pre game show before football on sunday....
It's the same as the principle that no unbeliving person will see a miracle. Miracles are not the cause of faith, rather they occur to strengthen the faith of those who already believe.
Miracles can happen to unbelievers, Columbia University in New York ran a study on patients, Half of the group had a number of believers praying for them, the other half did not. The group that had people praying for them, did way better than the other half. None of the patients knew any thing about the study
Wonderfully scientific test it was too!
It simply drew the wrong conclusions!
Ever wondered who would promote such a test?
I would like to read that paper and its peer reviewal approval. so URL?
Or you made that up with bunch of pseudo scientists blogs?
Ofcourse miracles can happen to unbelievers, I'm saying that they do not recognize the fact that what happened is a miracle, hence they will never see a miracle unless they are converted.
Quran never claimed that the Creator -God Allah YHWH is a spirit or He has a physical/material body; all spirits or physical/material bodies are his creation.He himsel says that one cannot perceive Him with physical senses. It is for this that when a Physicist says that during his research in his subject, he has not found the Creator -God Allah YHWH that confirms that God exists.
scientist cannot find ghost too..so as per your argument ghost too are real?..
It might be the Atheists who belive in ghosts.
The discussion if about the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Please don't follow the Scientists blindly out of their field of specialization; out of their field they are just lay men.
never knew saudi arabia is atheist but it is only country in the world whose court ordered jinnie to appear before court ...
I agree that scientist are laymen as far as human nature goes..humans can believe in anything which cannot be seen but find hard to believe in things which it can seen...strange but true..
ironically people use science in daily life but dont say thank you to actual servers of humanity...
God is very clear as to where he is. You can't get there from here. Ghosts imply that there would be another destination,post-death. If you actually read the bible, you could find many,many factual answers. It doesn't seem fair to reject something with no research.
ha! nice! should we also include time,or air, or anything that we can't see?
How about a psychotic invisible sky fairy in the mix?
Some people worship a cow. The scary thing is the sky fairy isn't the worst idea out there.
It's gotta be well up there though.
I don't know if the cow is supposed to have wiped out all but a handful of mankind in a fit of psychotic rage at it's own creation!
Not sure how cow worship came about,actually. They are delicious,though.
A lot of that rage was aimed at exterminating "nephilim", a breed of hybrid half-humans,half fallen angels.Most people have never heard that. It's right in the biblical texts,but most christians know very little about their own bible,sans quoting a memorized verse from time to time. Pretty wild stuff.
I remember this bit.
Very well," he said, "I will let you bake your bread over cow manure instead of human excrement."
crazy to believe you could"prove" God with a sophmoric study on prayer. Someone got paid for this kind of research?Even if the payment was in grades,they were over-paid.
I don't see any brilliant argument if somebody is making a scientific experiment or study and then all of a sudden he announces that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist.
I understand...actually no one can come up with brilliant argument to counter belief system...it is not about truth or false..it is about brain and how it perceives things...even if entire science comes up with tangible proof that there is no god,still it cannot convince people...but if someone comes up with something like he has seen god people are more likely to belief him...strange..but just see what ever religion..it is one man show who claims he sees something ..
There has been no brilliant argument from Muhammad nor Mirza that God exists. Theres a thing called Burden of proof. If you believe something & if u hold a hypothesis, then proving that ur believe is right is completely ur responsibility. The other way round is ridiculous & Impossible.
Anyone can come up with any ridiculous believe like Spiderman is the creator of all spiders or Godzilla is the creator of all life. Scientists wont be able to proof any of that but that doesnt mean Spiderman or Godzilla really exists.
So far science & logic has found no evidence of God. And each & every day, it is finding contrary evidence to the concept God. A single notion of evolution is good enough to proof that all religions are man-made but people like you still believe in some 2000 year old book told by an uneducated arab. Its not the fault of science, they have already given plenty of clues that religions are nonsense. What can they do if u prefer to keep your eyes closed & brain dead?
It is in fact not the field of science; it is very unscientific of them to induldge in morals,spirituals and religion.They should remain in the field of science; we respect them; if they come out of that, then they themselves earn disrespect, not anybody's fault.
@paar science has larger domain than you think it does...
Theres no scientific subject called anti Christianity or anti Islam or anti religion. They dont study to prove that God doesnt exist or religion is fake. Its the scientific results & revelations that has many by products which eventually prove that many of our previously held believes are false & wrong. For example, the scientists tried to find out how the solar system works & they eventually learned that the Sun with all other planets rotate in certain pace. The result of this study proved that theres no God called Apollo who brings the Sun in his Chariot. The intention was not to prove Greek religion false but it became clear as a by product. The scientists are researching in their field & eventually they are making discoveries which is going against your believe & faith. Its again ur fault to have such irrational believes, pls dont blame them for ur mistakes.
I don't blame them; I blame their eulogizers who blow trumpets unnecessarly that science proves "there is no God"; science has got nothing to do with the existence of God; it relates to Religion and must be left to religion. As simple as that; science has no valid hegemony on Religion. I wonder those who favour separation of church from state; they become narrow minded and want the supremacy of science over religion. It is their contradiction.There is no contradiction in Religion- Word of God, and the science-Work of God; both from the same source of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
No. Wrong again. Science has a lot to do with the existence of God if there exists one. Science understands the laws of nature more than any religion on earth. Science understands the understanding of mankind more than any religion on earth. Science is much more older than any religion on this world. Science was there when there was no monotheism & science will be there when there wont be any Islam...And yeah it is going to happen!! Unlike RELIGION, SCIENCE is not MAN MADE, SCIENCE is the UNIVERSE. From human psychology to evolution, science has been on every part of our knowledge. If there is any field on earth which can prove whether the concept of God is true or false, it would be science...NOT RELIGION!
And unlike religion...SCIENCE has no boundaries!
And who set boundries for Religion?
Lately science and theology have been merging. There are more God-fearing scientists than ever before. Try Chuck Missler .
No - there is not, TK Sensei.
Can't you guys offer up someone who is not a born and bred religionist?
Every single scientist religionist ever offered here as an example in the last 2 years has been a religious fanatic with a track record as a nutter.
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