Jesus an amateur shaman

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   Castlepalomaposted 13 years ago

   Do you think Jesus was an amateur shaman because of our over ego world, today. Yet, still a very intelligent and spiritual man.

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      Jesusjohn78posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think at the least the person was a good magician and great with slight of hand if nothing else.

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         Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What do think of this quote from Albert Einstein?
         
         Einstein was then asked if he accepted the "historical existence of Jesus," to which he replied,
         
         "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

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            pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            may be einsetin never read other myths...they are more lively...coming to jesus ,i dont consider him as myth...i dont believe he was god either but i consider him to be man who was one with entire human race...he was all humanity can become...i admire him for that...

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Einstein also said this:
            
            
            "Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude towards the convictions which were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude which has never again left me, even though later on, because of a better insight into the causal connections, it lost some of its original poignancy."

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Whats your definition of a Shaman?

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         Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Who dug up this old thread, I thought it was cancel and I was ready to be ban for it.
         
         Shamanism encompasses the belief that shamans are messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illness by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness.
         Best Shamanism master example, yet he would not admit it
         Taoism holds that Lao Tzu, the author of the Tao Te Ching - is its founding father. However, even Lao Tzu in the Tao Te Ching spoke of the "Tao masters,

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            pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It wasn't me luabu did it! Nevertheless its been reborn and here we are!
            
            Okay if thats your definition in answer to your original question, I would say yes to both if we go on the basis that he did do what he did in his day. Can he be Shaman, intelligent and spiritual?
            
            Re: Lao Tzu I don't think he was a Shaman he was an imperial libarian or something official like that. I do love his wisdom in the Tao te ching. 
            
            The Alchemists of Taoism might be who you were referring to?..but they date further back than Lao as far as I can remember.

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               Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               What happens to a soul when they reject Jesus Christ as Lord God Almighty? The assumptions can be dangerous, it seems to suggest, accept this version of Jesus, or hate Jesus Shamans can be found in just about every culture around the world.
               
               Shamanism is not a religion; it’s a spiritual discipline that can be used in conjunction with any religion... Shamanic teachings were sharply curtailed and then expunged under the controlling rule of Christianity.
               
               A true mater shaman would allow all acts and forms of spiritual and intellectual growth. Something mystic bothers me; it feels like Jesus has been hi jacked by Roman’s greed

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                  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  So in rejecting Jesus as God one must automatically hate Jesus? Rejection and hate are two very different things. Can't see how if one rejects Jesus why they would hate him?
                  
                  In saying that,  I understand that if they believed in a God outside of themselves how they might somehow feel inferior or left out or whatever one feels when they put someone on a pedestal....it may turn to hate. I don't know...
                  
                  Didn't he say though...I am the way the truth and the life and no one goes to my father but through me? (or something like that) Perhaps he was pointing at... within himself, and not him the man. And the "father" was... that which created us....not necessarily a man. So maybe that is what they were trying to teach and words got in the way making it seem like Jesus was this God they believed to be separate. ....when God was really within him as he was in all people. 
                  
                  I agree about shamans allowing all acts and forms of spiritual growth.
                  
                  How do you mean Hijacked?

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                     Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Hell is the greatest promoter of hate ever
                     
                     I have a an old friend who was a student of Albert Einstein, Einstein a beautiful man with good intended, yet still did not works out a sound follow through. He is considered to be a victim of his own success through threat of nuclear war.
                     
                     Jesus yet intelligent and spiritual man brought too much attention upon  himself the many translations ended up wrong. I think Jesus was hijack by Hell, introduced by the roman church to keep the masses in control and to make money and inter a spirit of fear in the masses. Also the word hell is not found in the Greek. It is slang meaning a scary place also the devil is not in hell/Hades it is a place for human soul’s.
                     
                     Ancient Taoism had no concept of Hell, as morality was seen to be a man-made distinction and there was no concept of an immaterial soul.
                     An example of a true shamen and sound follow through of enlightenment.

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                        pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh that makes sense then. Very possible too indeed.
                        
                        Yes Taoism has much wisdom!

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                           Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I guess most people would rather fight than switch

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                              pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Perhaps old habits die hard? Control is not a good habit to acquire. It poses lots of problems for those who are trying to control not to mention those being controlled. It is a common thing for the controller/s to use the emotions of those that they are trying to control. Sometimes when they are in a most vulnerable state. Its disheartening, it doesn't only happen in religions.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ultimate power corrupts
                                 
                                 Much like all government are corrupt to different degrees
                                 
                                 We need the government to survive like tree need the fungus
                                 
                                 Religion and spirit is a personal choice   
                                 
                                 By the way I have Save Satan Fan Club hub coming up soon, the only way I can think of to digest such horrors, is by crazy humor.

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   Jesusjohn78posted 13 years ago

   That Einstein believed Jesus existed but he was unsure of the stories being entirely true.  This is why he used the word Myth

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      Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That’s right 78, the translation were wrong.  I do feel mystic about Jesus being a beautiful human being.

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   DevLinposted 13 years ago

   I find it interesting that Einstein is claimed by Atheists, Theists, and was also a member of the Spiritual Humanists. It's like he was...researching?

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      Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Einstein was a very curious person.

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      pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Einstein was not atheist...he was not religious too...Einstein believed that religion are creation of human beings but he believed in some higher power too...considering he was scientist , he was open minded human being...

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         Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Einstein did say he is deeply religious and believes in God Just not in a personal God and not in a way many of understand God.
         Look up Pantheist.

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            pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You may call me an agnostic... I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being- Einstein

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   Jim Hunterposted 13 years ago

   Einstein also said this.
   
   "When the solution is simple, God is answering."

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   Jim Hunterposted 13 years ago

   And this
   
   "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."

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   luabuposted 13 years ago

   nice little chat this
   great einstein quotes/knowledge here
   nice manners displayed as well
   what do i think
   jesus and einstein is a wonderful mix
   jesus said once /not a sparrow dies without being noticed by god/every hair on your head is counted
   this is a man from a humble family 2000yrs ago without a microscope and living on a flat earth and like other genius people he is light years ahead of his time
   visit me please all you nice poeple
   thomas

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      Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Einstein is so well liked both christian and atheist want him in their camp.

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         First, about Yeshuah. Hardly an amateur. Know anyone else who has returned from the dead? Not even Muhammad pulled that one off. Now, on the subject of ONE ST ONE. That is the direct translation of Einstein's name from German into English. Personally, I think he has been an element of both camps all along.

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            Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            When I see Jesus save Satan I will worship him too,

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