Is Jesus actually the same being as God?

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   Deborah Sextonposted 12 years ago

   True and sincere learning of authentic Kabbalah and Chassidut leads a person to two simple goals:
   
   First, to understand that God is all and all is God. He is everywhere--in every facet of our lives. Our goal is to discover God and to connect to Him in all that we do.
   
   The second goal is to take what we have learned and to spread it, teach it and awaken others. Every one of us has a God-given mission--to spread God's good light to even the darkest corners of the world. No matter what one's age, gender or background, every person was brought into this world so that he, in his own unique way, will change the world for the better. Every individual's goal should be to do his part to turn this world into a dwelling place for God--a world full of loving-kindness, health, happiness and true peace.
   
   However, when learning this or any other text in English, it should be remembered that the English translation of Hebrew terms can never be exact. The subtle meanings and inferences conveyed by these terms can only be grasped in the original Hebrew--the language of creation. Therefore, any serious student must realize that to go beyond a beginner's level, the mastery of the Hebrew language is essential

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   chevyssbowtieposted 12 years ago

   Wrong, they are absolutely one and the same. God became a man and dwelt among us.

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      vector7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Genesis Chapter 18
      
      Remember LORD in caps is JEHOVAH and/or YAHWEH
      
      To be honest, I believe in the trinity, not that the trinity explains God fully though.
      
      I also believe there are a LOT of people here that believe whole heartedly they understand God enough to know they are right...
      
      BUT, I don't believe there is a [respectfully] human being on this earth that knows or understands God as much as they might say.
      
      I certainly don't believe anyone claiming anything about the nature of God being fact, and think that is pushing pretty high minded.
      
      God is a very, VERY unimaginable being, and I don't think we will ever understand Him living on earth. Maybe in Heaven we'll get more clues, but the 'fact' is that no 'man' knows for 'fact'.
      
      The us in Genesis, the praying to the Father, the three men [people, etc] in Genesis 18, the Baptism in the Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
      
      The Father is greater than I Jesus states[distinction], loves the Father[Jesus isn't schitzo or self absorbed], and does the Father's will[one person] and seeks a method for freedom from future pain[his own will includes 'personal' partiality, needing help from the Father, person 2].
      
      God saying "US" in Genesis is a pretty big hitter as that does indicate plurality of persons and God doesn't make mistakes[especially speaking of Himself], and John 1:1 states the Word[which is Jesus] was 'with' God.. not the Word 'is' God, although Jesus commending Thomas' statement verifies Christ is God in flesh[God with us, Emmanuel].
      
      And lastly, Jesus states He will 'send' a comforter, and you don't 'send' yourself, you send or let another 'person' know you are back, you can now
      go.
      
      I could go on, but I don't think more elements are needed to see my reasoning. If anyone sees it differently, I humbly don't see or understand how. And they certainly aren't going to be persuaded by more points of logic so I'll park on that thought.

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         ctbrown7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And yet Jesus says, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent. -- John 17:3.  This verse says it all.  Number one, Jesus is praying here to his Father, a separate being.  Number two, Jesus says that we not only can know God and Jesus, we must in order to have eternal life.  Number three, it is the knowing of God that brings us in harmony with Him and His Son, Jesus Christ.

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            vector7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not seeing your stance here, and taking one verse doesn't 'say it all' at all, otherwise it would be the only record of Jesus' words on the subject.
            
            I and the Father are one, is contextual to your posted verse just for starters, let alone the entirety of the four Gospels and the Genesis account, then the addition of the Old Testament, and New Testament completely - if you get the drift.
            
            And again, you seem to think you have God figured out, while I humbly disagree with anyone who claims, portrays, or thinks such. [Especially not stuffing God into a single verse or sentence]
            
            I'm not going to get nit-picky here, you excluded explanations on a mass of elements on the subject I noted anyhow, and I also stated it was my reasoning on the matter, not a fact as I see many here claiming they know.

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               ctbrown7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You don't seem to understand the fact that the idea of the Trinity came about as the result of a compromise on the nature of God.  It stems from the Nicene Council and other Councils around 300 AD.  The pre-Nicene version of Christ is much different than what you have today, and the Bible fully supports Christ the Son and Christ the Father as two separate individuals.  You mention contextual information, but completely dismiss Christ mentioning that all of us could be 'one' with the Father and the Son if we following their counsel (in John chapt 17).  It's absurd to think that Christ is praying to another section or piece of himself.  What about the baptism of Christ, where the voice of the Father is heard--apparently you believe the different sections of God have different voices as well.  When Christ appears to Mary after His resurrection, he tells her to not touch him because he hasn't ascended to the Father, yet he says to go tell the others that he ascends to His Father and Her Father to His God and Her God.  Why would Jesus say that the Father was His God, if he was just referencing Himself?

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                  vector7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm going to nip this in the bud friend.[ trinity ]
                  
                  I read the Scripture, and am learning Hebrew and Aramaic right now.
                  
                  I believe the words I read, and no one made up the trinity. The term is to describe what the words already state to the reader, namely me...
                  
                  The commitee did NOT write my Bible. I'm sure God can handle the first translation of His Word being accurately handled after all the other miraculous things my God does. My KJV IS the English standard after all, and new versions are based on Hort and Westcott's pagan beliefs and thousands of changes, nearly 15 per page to be specific.
                  
                  If there is an error in the English translation, I'll let you know pretty soon here as I'll be reading closest to the original as it gets.
                  
                  I also dismissed nothing and that sentence regarding my post is a pretense.
                  
                  I SPECIFICALLY stated you must include the entirety of the Bible. If you didn't understand what I meant, then that should clear it up.
                  
                  Answer:
                  
                  Because He is a human person as the Messiah, filled by the Spirit of God.
                  
                  Philippians 2:7 says He 'became' obedient unto death for us..
                  
                  Read also verse 6.. 'equal' - and - Jesus 'took upon him the form of a servant.'
                  
                  Hebrews 1:8 states Christ is called God by God.
                  
                  [ "He" that 'saith' in the verse is God speaking, read context ]
                  
                  8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
                  
                  
                  If then God calls Him God, how then can He be anything but?
                  
                  Does God make mistakes?

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   Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

   Is Jesus the same being as god. Only if a slice of pepperoni constitutes a pizza!

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      Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was one of us. God never leaves. God never dies. God always walks among us. God is us. He is the Spirit which Dwells In All Things.

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         Insane Mundaneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I used to call that the "theory of unity," but rarely will anybody understand.  So, I say "to hell with it," as we each walk our own path...

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