People. What is that?

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   Kyle Payneposted 12 years ago

   What are your qualifications that you believe an entity must possess to be a person?

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      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Being able to ask interesting questions. 

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Being a person. That's my answer, just being. Is a snake not being a snake? Is a gopher not being a gopher?

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            Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            See Kyle, that's the ways it's done!

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               Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               To be something an entity must possess certain qualities that allow it to be that certain thing. My qeustion is, what qualities must an entity possess to be a person?

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            Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            What assertions does being a person possess?

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               Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I think of assertions as being given, not possessed. But as mischieviousme pointed out above, I'm just a snake.

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               mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               If you are a Zen master, nothing. If you are philosopher, everything. I cannot put into words an answer that will make sense. I can try. Life is a doing and in doing life, we are being. The assertions that we make will not tell us what it is to be a person, we just are. I guess the only thing that I could say about the person is, the body. My person as I know it, is my body. But the person is not the mind. By this, I am saying that, we cannot feel our minds. We can however feel our bodies, so in this sense, mind is just as much a hard thing to define as person. That is the best I can do for you. Is it satisfactory?

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                  Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  To an extent. Would you consider a mentally retarded person a person?

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                     mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I would say they are the person in which they feel themselve's. To me, mentally retarded people are far more enlightened than rationally thinking normal adults. By this I am saying, that we have to think about what we feel. A mentally retarded person just feels what they feel. Example; when you ask a normally functioning person what they want, they say "I'll have to think about it". If you do the same for a mentally retarded person, they will just tell you. They do not have to think about it.

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                        Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Would you consider a person in a vegatative state a person?

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                           mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I'd have to be a vegitable to answer that one. The particulars of certain aspects of life are just assertions on our part. How do we even know to call ourselve's people? This is anassertion. The same can be said of the words we use for up and down. They are assertions and in assertaning something, we have to label the experience. I looked up? I walked? We had to answer the questions and we had to make up words for them.

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                              Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Would you consider the mind an inevitable part of a person?

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                                 mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 To continue our discussion. The mind is a result of ego and it is just a thing. It is a word we use to describe what we percieve to be our selve's. This is truth in concept, because it is my truth. The truth is your truth in concept and that is the mind. The mind is and it is not, but an illusion of the "self".

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               Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Now !   ....  This a question worth pondering!

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                  Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  What do you think?

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                     Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     being a being?    ....   I Am that which I think that I AM!
                     
                       Who can I blame for that?   OR Who gets the credit?
                     
                       A Rabbit thinks that it is, ....  Am I so different.
                     
                       A blade of grass  .... ?  I don't think that it knows what it is.
                     
                       I just know that I AM different is some ways than it is!

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                        Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Do you believe a mind alone can be a person?

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The ability to recognise the two opposing positions...eg. Up down, Left right, Light dark, death life, the ultimate pair which is I Am as oppose to I am not...

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A person is a human being. That's about it.

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      LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Individuality, otherwise you are just part of the herd.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Individuality is an illusion, a thing for it is also an illusion of "self" and "I". We are many people within ourselve's. By this, I am saying that we act parts to suit the situation, but we are not being an individual unless we give up all of ourselve's. When we let go of all the selves, we become one with the many.

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            couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, indviduality if you're talking on the outer level of DNA. No, if you're talking on a level of pure energy. Concepts and illusions notwithstanding, what we know about energy is that it is all the same. What we don't know about energy is what we don't know.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   If you are a homo sapien, you qualify as a person. Nothing more is required.

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      Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You basically used a synonomous tern to define itself.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Whatever it takes. I found your questions in the thread somewhat offensive. So I posted.

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            Kyle Payneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I am truly sorry

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               No apologies necessary.

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   LewSethicsposted 12 years ago

   Gee I hate it when someone tells me I'm an illusion.

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am an illusion, which is why I try not to say I but we or our. The illusion is a mass hallucination and "I" is at the center of it.

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   LewSethicsposted 12 years ago

   Wow, that would be really heavy except for the fact that illusion doesn't have a capital I in it.

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      the "I" in an essay is always capitolized. This is because the writer is using his own experience to expand on. Experience is personal and therefor is mistaken for the person.

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         LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         OK, I guess Wisdom is where the Wiz lives. 
         So the writer is an illusion, and the writers experience is also an illusion, is the essay also an illusion?  Or are essays real, but about illusory things?

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            mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            They are about the illusion of experience. What has happened in the past is an illusion and we grasp at it, because we believe that is who we are. The past is only defined as "ago", not now. The true experience is now and every moment of the ago, is the result. The future also exists as an illiusion, for that is what we aspire to. Letting go of these can set us free.

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               LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               oh

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                  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It's very easy, but we complicate it by trying. We try to understand it and thus, it does not come to us. We try to force it to have meaning and all that truly has meaning is now, right this instant.

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                     LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     But you understand it.  You must have a huge brain.

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                        mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It is but a crumb in the carpet of space, mind is eternal, in an eternity of now.

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         couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @mischevious - experience is the person whether termed as truth, illusion, concept or consciousness.  What we choose to experience is what defines us right now. That being said, your view is completely valid but only when it is the chosen "experience".

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            mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That is not the point. When someone asks my name, I simply say Bob. That is not who I truly am, but it is who I am "now", Right this instant. Who knows what the next moment hold's? The entire meaning of it is conceptual and is up to observation, but defining ourselve's as the past, is not observing now.

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   David Pechposted 12 years ago

   a mind is a terrible thing to taste

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      cheaptrickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A little hot sauce helps.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Maybe some chiante or fava beans?

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