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Is Esther Hicks Faking?

Updated on February 23, 2015

Abraham-Hicks: Faked or Just Shallow, Cold and Not Very Bright?

Is Esther Hicks putting one over on us with Abraham or is she really interpreting infinite wisdom deposited in her mind in "blocks of thought," messages from 100 "nonphysical teachers," all intimately connect to God or "Source" as she contends?

One of the group, she tells us, is Jesus. Alternatively, she has also said, via her Abraham persona, that she is "what Jesus was."

Judging by countless contractions, gross errors in fact and the way her stage appearance and style of performance has been altered, former followers now believe Esther Hicks fakes the channeling of Abraham, at least some of the time.

Some believe she always did or just exaggerated what her own intuition, conditioned by the late Jerry Hicks instruction, was giving her.

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Esther Hicks in Her Restrained Persona

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"What Jesus Was, Esther Is." Really?

One member of the Abraham group, Esther claims, is Jesus.

She also, speaking as "Abraham." said that "What Jesus was, Esther is," before going on to say she speaks for Buddha too. That was cracked enough for me, but there's more.

Although followers have dropped off in significant numbers since the illness and death of Esther's husband and business partner, Jerry Hicks, many still turn to her for inspiration.

But an erosion of trust has been eating away at this once upbeat, charismatic and reliable source of guidance and insight, accusing Esther and Abraham-Hicks of being frauds and seeding a cult.

Her message has changed in ways that throw into question everything about Esther Hicks' two decades long presentation of Abraham.

Any objective observer has to wonder - Is Abraham-Hicks real?

Put another way, is Esther Hicks making it up as she goes along,channeling an increasingly shallow, cold and even mean-spirited Abraham?

An Objective Review of Abraham-Hicks

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

What are the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings, really? Do they make sense? Did Jerry Hicks die? If so, when and where? And what about the birth of Abraham - how did that happen? Click here for answers.

 

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This Just In - Proof That They Lie

Jerry Hicks died in 2011, didn't he?

If Esther Hicks' signing off her email spam with Jerry's name, right there with hers and Abraham's, as if there are three "entities," a closer look at the Abraham-Hicks website promotes more fiction.

On this page, they claim that Esther and Jerry live "a fairy-tale life."

Not only are they zigzagging across the country in their monster bus, but they are breathing "huge lungfuls of joy" while they're at it, not an easy thing to do when you've been dead a few years.

According to the same Abraham-Hicks web page, Jerry Hicks is really not dead. In fact, he's "an adult who enjoys almost perfect health and vitality."

Really?

Yes, A-H says, the spring in his step "rivals men half his age."

Let's see now. Half his age would be 42, and it isn't changing.

I'm open to any suggestions about why Abraham-Hicks knowingly publishes false information on their website. I can't think of a good one myself.

Read It For Yourself - The First Big Hit

Although Jerry and Esther Hicks published a series of less successful Abraham books before it, Ask and It Is Given was the one they have lead followers to believe came first.

Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires
Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires

In this book, Esther and Jerry (who claim the book was dictated to Esther exactly as is) lay out the philosophy they have stuck with.

They claim we live in a "Law of Attraction" universe where everything is controlled by vibrations or thoughts, depending on the chapter. Although they preach a theology of vibrations, the key phrase is "You get what you think about."

See what you think.

 

Abraham-Hicks For Beginners

An Introduction

I'm completely comfortable with the idea of life after death and with communications between the living and the dead, that is, between what Abraham-Hicks would call physical and nonphysical.

But does it really make sense to just take the Abraham-Hicks team's word for what is taking place? Especially with the rabid focus on product sales and marketing, who can say what's true with them anymore?

For example, just taking on the basics, is it true that Esther says she receives nonverbal blocks of thought, which she interprets, when she has already told the story of being lead to a typewriter when Abraham took control of her hands to type out a book announcement?

What about when her partner and marketing director, Jerry Hicks, announces that "Abraham smiled," in support of a sales pitch? How does a nonphysical entity smile?

Or, when, according to Jerry, these spiritual guides had nothing better to do than hawk guided meditations that he was peddling for wildly exorbitant prices?

"These will get you in the vortex," he claims to have heard from Abraham.

Going back to my childhood when I found myself doubting the religious doctrines being taught (the Noah and the Ark thing stands out as an early red flag), I see a long string of questions popping up in my mind.

Question Authority! was a popular phrase that appealed to me and still does.

When I got caught up in the Law of Attraction fever that quickly became so popular, I found my skepticism rising. The Teachings of Abraham, as promoted by Esther and Jerry Hicks, checked out surprisingly well.

Oh, there were a couple of things that didn't add up, but over all, I liked its veracity and consistency.

I believe there was a lot credibility in the beginning, maybe from wisdom learned elsewhere or even from a true channeling. Teaching matters.

But there are so many errors today, poorly conceived ideas and staging for marketing efforts, the message has been lost. Commitment and passion seem to be taking a backseat to a shallow narcissism that sells to a market looking for an easy, lottery-like solution and instant self-gratification.

That doesn't mean the original teachings were untrue, but it makes you wonder why they've been set aside in favor of all this marketing, if Esther and Jerry Hicks genuinely believed them to be true in the first place.

Abraham Hicks on Aging, Medicine and Sickness

In her own words.

"Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Sedona, AZ on Saturday, August 27th, 2005

"The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, 'Let it go, let it go, let it go.' That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR, on , May 16th, 2000And death itself:

"'...death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on Tuesday, September 25th, 2001

Note: This claim, that death is always "delightful" was dished out two weeks after the World Trade Center Disaster. For pregnant women jumping to their deaths from eighty floors in the sky, for professionals supporting families, for the captured passengers on commercial flights, a few with infants in their laps, death was a "delightful" experience, according to Esther Hicks.

Laws Are Responsible for Criminals

Teachings of Abraham, April 25, 1999

"It is your rules that make unlawful beings. You would get along better if you would just trust each other to treat each other appropriately, but you don't. So you keep making laws -- until you make criminals of everyone."

This is like saying we turned this poor lion into a man-eater because we're so tasty. We're at fault. Lie down, and let yourself be eviscerated.

Thank you.

I suppose ideas like this one appeal to hopeful idealists who believe that rules don't matter and leaders are obstructionists. We should all do our thing, and not only that, we should just trust others to do theirs. We would "get along better" that way.

So, we created "unlawful beings" by creating rules.

The only way to read this whacky claim is that we should have no rules about anything because the rules themselves create the danger. In other words, whatever anyone else does, we should regard it as okay.

If it's not or we think some guidelines need to be made to protect ourselves, we are at fault for not trusting.This has a sort of lame, idealist's appeal, but from a group of approximately one-hundred nonphysical teachers, you'd expect something a little better worked out.

Wisdom, anyone?

The romantic inferences about the divinity in all of us is well-intended, probably, but shallow and juvenile.

Abraham-Hicks and Sex

What?

You know, I wanted to look at what Abraham had to say about sex.

It's certainly on our minds often enough, but unlike "death," a search for "sex" on the Abraham-Hicks website turns up only a single entry in all they have indexed.

At that, it's "sexuality" that comes up, not sex.

Try it yourself. Search "death." Then, search "sex." The contrast is striking.

Where's the love?

Not where you might think it is sometimes, that's for sure.

If Abraham exists and feeds blocks of thought to Esther to interpret, I've gradually become puzzled at their lack of physical awareness. More about that later, but for now, let's consider the absence of sex in their lives or non-lives, as the case may be.

In twenty-five years of seminars, wouldn't it have come up more than, say, once? Wouldn't Abraham, who claims to know everything, including what we are thinking, have made at least a witty comment or two?

More than the Absence of Physical Awareness

There's more to the absence of physical awareness, a lack of empathy, for example. But to me, this seems more like the preoccupations of an elderly, sexless couple than of an ageless wise one.

Makes you wonder about the audience too? What makes them so comfortable in sex free environments?

There's a kind of neo-Puritanism threading through much of the New Age community, and maybe that accounts for some of Esther's appeal.

Grandmotherly sweetness and charm. No sex.

Are "nonphysical beings" without a compass in a world with so much sex? - Or is it just Esther and Jerry?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: I don't think you got that quite right, godslive, but you have such fun with it, I hesitate to point out your error.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Thank you. I always wanted to be amazing.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Let me answer simply. The question is in the title. This isn't a history lesson on Esther Hicks. Who didn't do Amway in the '70s? Me, for one. I had a job at the time. And just for the record, neither Esther nor Jerry were ever Mormons. One of Esther's parents was born Mormon, but not the other. As you surely know, marrying out of the faith meant they could not be practicing Mormons nor could their children. I wrote a separate who is Jerry Hicks page, by the way, and his history is intriguing, if mostly obscured by changing identities. It certainly isn't the bio they claim on there web page. For one thing, Jerry is dead, but A-H doesn't know it yet. For another, challenged to name some of the other celebrities he claimed to know in his career as entertainer, Jerry mentioned Rip Taylor. Rip said he never heard of Jerry Hicks. I don't care who believes me "over them," since one Esther and Jerry strategy is to obscure their personal histories. They never make a case for themselves. You are just expected to believe unconditionally, no questions asked.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: All of your comments are being published. Sorry you and all these victims you mention were forced to read and comment. Frankly, I think you're a little shaky in your A-H beliefs, and your venom is being stirred as a defense because you want to hang onto those cherished beliefs.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Really?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Can you cite a few "clear examples?" All I've seen are vapid generalizations. Give me five, please. Thank you. Clear now, right? Not just Esther's my happy pill sort of stuff.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: "Abraham" is a fiction and didn't do anything to me or anyone else. I do know some people who believe that Esther and Jerry have hurt them, but I'm not one of them.Sorry is this upset your neat little conclusion.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Just to help you along, I should tell you that I never thought Esther, Abraham or anyone else was a prophet. I did think that some of what Esther had to say came tantalizingly close to intuitions I had, but when you look at anything objectively, you know, like an adult, you get a perspective of good, bad and a lot in between. Of course, there's a great deal of value Esther has shared. You find, though, that it's all derivative, borrowed from others, dumbed down for commercial consumption, and even the act is a mimic of Sheila Gillette. What's more concerning are the big errors, the discouraging followers from seeking medical care, claiming every death is a suicide and that even victims of child abuse, rape and war bring it on themselves. Her blame the victim philosophy is appalling and no deep spiritual fount of wisdom could be that callous. Ergo -- a fake, in my opinion, and a dangerous one.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Then, why are you reading them with such persistence? I've got a guess.PS: my wife likes that picture. It was taken on a vacation in Barcelona. We had a great time. Sorry you don't like it.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Yes, it would be, if it were true. I've often noticed that people who disagree, but can't make a good counterargument default to impugning the motives of the other person. You, for example. It's not sad. It's just a waste of energy.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: I "sound like a petulant child?" The only sound you can gather from writing is your own inner interpretation. That is, you hear what you want to hear. I'd be curious to know how you came to the conclusion that "Many people that come away dissatisfied with Abraham, are the people that want all the answers NOW. They are the ones that invested ALL their beliefs, feelings and intentions on being healed by Abraham." Reads like protective rationalization to me, building a fence around your own beliefs to fend off what you perceive as threats.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: You just admitted that it never gets old being "overtly hateful."There you are people - DaveStone13 is saying to all of us, that he's overtly hateful and it never gets old being that way.We can only expect to be kicked by a mule...

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Again, resorting to name calling an put downs because you're afraid someone else might be right and you might be wrong.You're such an amazing example of negativity! Amazing!!!!

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: What question is there to answer Dave? You don't present any questions, or answers in your "expose" on Abraham. You simply tell everyone to believe you when you say that they are fake. You never provided any of the answers to the history of Esther Hicks. You hinted at Amway (who didn't do that in the 70's, especially Mormons, which Esther and Jerry once were...did you know THAT?) and Jerry coaching Esther...but where's the real biography on these people? Where's the reasoning why we should believe you over them or Abraham???

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @anonymous: Perfect Saidi!!!

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      @David Stone1: Hypocrite. "Only lazy people hear and see what they want..." What a mean, nasty little bully you are. Wow.As I read further and further down, I'm seeing more and more people that try to show you compassion and only quote good things from Abraham, yet you attack them. You actually had the audacity to call someone LAZY for being kind? What kind of creature are you? You're like an emotional/energy vampire, provoking people just to get them in a place where they are as miserable as you are.Saying that, I better stop commenting or I'll be influenced by your nastiness. Chances are, you'll flag all my comments anyhow, so that only your beliefs will be read - as most people like you are wont to do.Good luck with that, though it's more than luck you're gonna need to change your outlook on people that are just trying to reach out to you with kindness.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: So YOU know more than Wendy. YOU are superior to her and Sam and anybody that would disagree with your angry tirades!?!?!I love it Stone. You don't get your own references (the OTHER guru's you've suggested). You get what you give.Period.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: When people give clear examples, you ignore what they say and put them down. How does that make you right? Why should people blindly accept and believe YOUR view on Esther/Abraham and not think for themselves? You seem truly upset when people don't say, "oh thank you davestone, you have cleared my precious head from that nasty Abraham!" Seriously man, you're one miserable guy.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @anonymous: Well put Sam! I agree, DaveStone is very jaded and hurt by something Abraham did to him (in his mind). The negativity that he's spreading with this blog is certainly not helping...

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Ah, you just gave yourself away. You once held Esther/Abraham as a PROPHET - you "listened to many hours of recordings." You would only have given your time to Abraham if you believed at the time. Now you've become a disillusioned, angry man because you didn't apply the teachings and you didn't change. I totally understand where you're coming from. I was a mormon for most my life - 7th generation actually and a returned missionary to boot. When I went through the temple rituals I lost my "testimony," thus my belief in my life-long faith. It was really hard and I struggled with the need to have something to believe in. I struck out in anger at a church that betrayed and lied to me. In reality, being born into that faith make me even more aware when I finally awakened and moved away from it. You feel betrayed by Abraham for some reason known only to you - so you strike out as a child would, to a parent that let him down. The only thing is, the parent (Abraham) didn't know what you wanted because you wanted an easy fix. You wanted Abraham to make your life good, without any effort on your part. Look at your responses to people on here - that's the point you attack the most: the people that FEEL they have gained something from Abraham. Dude, take your betrayal and your need to put people down, and do something with your life. For pete's sake, take a better picture - at least TRY to look pleasant. Being a curmudgeonly bully isn't attractive and you're putting all that negativity out there - so of course you're getting it ALL back. Funny that you still suggest other books to read - so you've found other "prophets" that suit you better, yet you're still not a happy person and I'd go so far to say - from your attacks on other people - you're not a good person. That's what really matters in this world. You add anger to this planet, not kindness, compassion or love.Truly sad.

    Flimsy Temporary You

    You Ain't Nothin' Until You Die, Kid

    "... this flimsy temporary you-in-this-physical-body-personality that you know as you..."

    That's how Esther dismisses the physical beings that we are.

    The nonphysical part of you, whatever that is, is the part of you that knows your power, knows your worthiness. This is the part of you that is eager about life. This is the life part of you. This is the Source part of you. This is the God part of you.

    She goes on to add, Law of Attraction is powerfully responding to THIS you.

    Forget the obvious contradiction... Didn't see it?

    Law of Attraction is supposed to respond to everything, but now she claims it responds only to the nonphysical you, the part that isn't the you know who...

    Well, untangle her logic at your leisure, if you're still willing.

    Back the other implication - that is, our physical selves are flimsy, not important, flabby and dull.

    They used to say we were spiritual beings here to have physical experience.

    Apparently, apart from raking in cash and adulation, there isn't much else.

    This begs the question of course that, if our nonphysical selves are so superior and powerful, why would we bother with that flimsy physical one?

    When I was twenty, I wrote this verse: "I will have more fun with my body than you will with yours because I am not looking for God with it."

    I'm stickin' with that.

    The Wisdom of Eric Idle

    This is the reverse of what Esther teaches through the guise of Abraham.

    In Eric's view, life is the whole tamale. In hers, it's an interlude in which we miss out on the real joys of existence.

    Here is how she describes it:

    "...'death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

    As Abraham-Hicks followers know, another teaching is that everyone goes voluntarily, as a choice, a virtual suicide. This is probably the most painful assertion thrown at the faithful.

    They are told to believe that their loved ones left willingly and were delighted at doing so.

    Esther even makes a practice of calling death "croaking" and giggles about being "so disrespectful, because there is no death."

    Whoa!

    My cousin, Johnny, was hit by a car when he was only seven years old, barely kicking into first gear. No point in the grisly details, but the fact is that he was excited about his mom being home from a time away, went to tell a friend, riding a bike with controls he'd never used and coasted straight in front of a driver that never saw him coming.

    Johnny was probably dead before the ambulance came.

    Now, Esther wants us to believe that seven-year-old Johnny made a decision to die, disregarding what that means to a family that loved him.

    And my aunt, Johnny's mother - she should understand that it was delightful to be ripped out of his human shell and into a divine afterlife.

    Sorrow and grief are to be mocked in the world of Abraham Hicks.

    It just shows that you have not gotten over the death thing.

    Your life is flimsy to start with. You aren't losing anything much.

    Cheer up, you old bugger!

    Esther Hicks Couldn't Be Faking Abraham Hicks. - Or could she?

    A recent online commentator said that, if Esther was faking, she should win the Academy Award.

    Another wanted to nominate her for "the Nobel Prize."

    While not specific on which Nobel Prize, the commentator added: "I'm not kidding."

    What's your opinion? Is she faking?

    Of course, she is. No one wise would make so many errors and contradictions.

    Of course, she is. No one wise would make so many errors and contradictions.

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      • anonymous 3 years ago

        Yes possibly .. it seems to me channeling would be a little harder than talking so effortlessly, but how can I be sure ? Well, if being in the vortex equals being able to channel and being HONEST means access to the vortex and she is bending the truth to make it seem more interresting, that must mean she is lying about something, my intuition came up with this logic

      • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @Kapalbility: You're right, Kapalbility, but it's about as original as June weddings. In the Sixties, we just used to call it "going with the flow." And nobody was expect to pay for it.

      • Kapalbility 4 years ago

        Faking indeed. But you have to admit some of the teachings like feeling good and less resistance are good teachings. Still, the way these are delivered is quite unconvincingly ridiculous.

      • anonymous 4 years ago

        The law of attraction is absolute it is universal that means it is everywhere and it is eternal that means it is forever. You will attract evidence to support what you want to believe. That is the law.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        the people who listen to her are to be blamed --- hunger to the unknown in the west makes such lies acceptable and respected

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        All channelers get an initial true message, like many of us, simple and brief.. But it is a shame to run it into the ground for profits sake. 20+ years worth of it, always ends in tears. It all comes out in the wash, no matter the sustained skill.

      • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        The only thing I'd disagree with, Strega is the term "seemingly profound." In the early days maybe, but after some years and plenty of time contradict themselves and make in course corrections to keep from getting stale, they just sound confused, narcissistic and juvenile.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Ester Hicks, aka Abraham, is a master at double-talk. Her seemingly profound statements and twisted logic are nothing but circular garbage.

      • anonymous 6 years ago

        Esther is definitely a fake. As so many of these false gurus, using pieces of truth mixed in. She is inconsistent and neither looks nor sounds genuine. There are pictures of her where she looks as if she is falling apart at the seams, and pictures of Jerry where he looks absolutely awful inside and out. They have a lucrative scam, but it looks like the devils are betraying her, as devils do, and she is starting to lose it with her customers and abuse them.

      No, she isn't, mush for brains, it would be too hard to fake for all these years and still be convincing.

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        • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Funny, Andy, but since she claims to be channeling Abraham, this means the great masters of the universe dont know the simplest math. She makes plenty of errors. Some are not as obvious as this one.Thanks.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          I don't know, but she can't do math.... she once said 6'000 was 40% of 20'000 (Art of allowing, dvd 2 of 15)

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I find this thread very interesting and entertaining and i believe we are all entitled to our own opinions. We all have our own lives to lead and it doesn't matter what other people say, as long as we are happy. I have been learning these teachings for 4 years. They have PROFOUNDLY changed my life for the better, i have NO DOUBT of the authenticity of these teachings. I am always using these teachings every day and they WORK. It doesn't bother me the slightest that they are PROFITING from this. SO WHAT, why shouldn't they receive fortunes for making people's lives better and adding value. Do you Dave Stone not receive money for promoting their book's on this thread ? and why shouldn't you. People will always doubt everything that's ever been, it's human nature and everyone will never agree on the same thing. That's just how life is and all i know is that my life has become AMAZING since following these teachings.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          Abraham is much like the I-Ching... one can rescue plenty of life-lessons from what he/she/they bring... But there are several inconsistencies one must decide whether they apply or not to ones life experiences.We can all channel our higher mind, and I know I've heard Esther say that at times there's much of HER in what ABRAHAM is trying to say... the key here is to not fall into fanaticism or form a cult out of all this, and take everything with a grain of salt.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          Esther is about as real as it gets I have read books on Deepak Chopra , Eckhart tolle, Richard Causton ( the Buddha in the mirror) Edgar Cayce , Wayne Dyer as a matter of fact was once on the hotseat in one of the Abraham /Hicks seminars asking very profound questions all of these authors have different paths but lead to the same truth and as a Buddhist with an open heart and open mind I know not just believe we are all connected and Esther/Abraham teach about Vibration/Energy which is what we are ! we are Vibration ! check out Solfeggio Peggio, Binurial Beats , Experiments with plants related to vibration its simply divine :)

        • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: If you've really listened to Abraham for over 10 years, as you claim, it's a surprise that you missed the fact the Esther/Abraham without hesitation claimed that Jesus was part of the Abraham group. It's not a secret. She/they did, whether you like it or not. It's on the record.I couldn't care less about "Raj." Our topic here is Ester and Abraham. Stick with it, if you can.Similarly, if you haven't heard Abraham/Esther ask for money, you've never visited their website, which is awash with appeals for you cash. Blindness is no virtue, but if you chose not to see, it's even worse.There are a lot, although not the thousands you claim, of YouTube videos. These are professionally produced infomercial Esther and Jerry paid producers to create for them. The commercials you watch on TV are also free, but just as with AHP, there only reason for being is to draw you to the advertiser's product.Wake up. I realize Esther, with good reason, suggests that you should not look at reality head on. It's still a worthwhile thing to do, if you ever want to think for yourself, instead of falling for the easy answers of Abraham-Hicks.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I've been listening to Abraham for over 10 years, it's uplifting and positive and teaches people to look for the good in things, and be happy. I've never heard anything that says the group of non physical beings she connects with is Jesus. But, that sounds good if you want to make someone appear nutty. If you want to look at someone who channels "Jesus"- who uses the name Raj, and posts on their discusion board asking that more and more money be sent to support the person channellin him (Paul Tuttle) check that out. Northwest Foundation for A Course in Miracles (NWFFACIM) I've never heard Abraham/Esther Hicks ever ask anyone for money. If people don't like it they don't have to pay to go to the workshops, or buy the materials. There are thousands of audio/video clips put up on YouTube, free for the listening. Maybe if people who think it's fake listened to some of them they could come to their own conclusions.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          so many people discuss if abraham is real or fake....but:the most important thing is that the facts abraham says are absolutely true and since i listend to it and worked on it I AM MUCH HAPPIER AND IN CONTROL OF MY LIFE.there would not be a differents for me if esther would just pretending.....so what- than she is wise ;).......thanks for all this !!!

        • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I'd consider it one more interesting experience from which I learned. I love life, all of it. I'm not looking for pearls or a rescue. I like it the way it is, a compelling adventure in personal expansion.

        • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: For every one of you insisting the Abraham Hicks is not a fake, there are others who say it is, including a few who once worked closely with Esther and Jerry and now look back with regret over wasting their time and/or getting burned (usually financially) when Jerry broke promises made and Esther wouldn't stand up to him. You may think I've missed the entire point, but the reality is that you have not even come close to seeing it."...the knowledge they offer..." is in every instance borrowed from others like Seth and Theo. If you're willing to make a little effort, instead of leaping for the simplest and easy to grasp, you can get a lot more from people like Deepak Chopra and Ahnalira Koan, and you can get all this and more without wading through hype and disinformation.What Esther and Jerry present, on stage and in books, is neither rare nor amazing. It isn't even original. Why do you think they were turned down when they tried to trademark "law of attraction?" Because it's been around for decades, even though they repeatedly palmed it off to followers as an Abraham original.Look at it this way, if what Esther and Jerry came up with was real, would they have had to concoct the fantastic story of how it happened and rewrite their own autobiographies to erase embarrassing details?In any event, if you're doing so well with this and feel really good and true with it, congratulations. You found your teacher. Don't assume that makes it genuine or ultimate truth. It isn't.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          If you dive into the Ocean for pearls..and you come up empty..do you blame the Ocean?

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I have been listening and studying these teachings for 6 yrs. I would have spotted it as a fake by now. Each time I listen to a CD or read a book, it FEELS good. FEELS...that's the key word. Not only that but it makes sense. It fits, its logical. Not one time, I mean ONE time have I ever felt decieved, sold, or felt like this was a cult or religion. I have been down many "spiritual" paths and these teachings ring true for me through and through. So who is Abraham? they are you and me, him and her...maybe my friends whom have re-emerged and/or people I know and love whom Ive known and loved for eons...who knows..who cares? does it matter who they are? or is the point the knowledge they offer. We are given a rare and amazing opportunity to see into the big picture..why resist?I think you have missed the entire point.

        • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It matters. Responsible adults expect to have an honest set of facts available in making decisions. Others, who prefer to be led and not be bothered into thinking or analyzing anything, could care less. So, yes, it's a choice between growing up and staying a voluntary dependent for life.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          Does it matter? After all it's your choice. ;) Abraham<3

        • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Agreed, Esther has generally been consistent, except of the point of the rewards she promises. At one time, she proclaimed that you'd get what you thought about, whether you wanted it or not. Then, when this didn't really happen, she and Jerry invented the "art of allowing," making it your fault if you didn't get what you wanted. This evolved over the years to the Vortex, which rationalizes that, yes, you get everything you ask for but only when the time is ripe. If the prophecies don't work out, it's just not time yet and, maybe, "you're not letting it in." The preaching couldn't be wrong. It's the parishioners in the church of Abraham. In the end, like any religion, a matter of faith and often irrational and provably wrong.The evidence for her faking has more to do with statements she's come up with that are clearly inaccurate and demonstrate that "Abraham" is approximately as poorly educated in scientific subjects as Esther and prone to narcissism and a lack of empathy.That she "makes the world a better place" is open to discussion, to say the least, and yes, it does matter. Truth still has value, no matter the result of dishonesty."WE," meaning the world population as a while has been improving the world and life in it consistently for tens of thousands of years before Esther plopped down on stage and will for many more after she's gone. Evolution provides for that, whether you disagree with evolutionary theory, as Esther does, or not. (Actually, she, like most, doesn't understand the theory and lacks perspective and insight on history.)The world awaits my input? I doubt it. The world will be affected by you, me and Esther and how we live our lives, which is the main sadness of what happens with her followers. Like religious fanatics everywhere, you pull back into fantastic untruths and do not participate fully with the rest of us. That's too bad. Your value is missed.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I've found her to be consistent in the general advice given over the many years I've been following. I say she is not faking it. If it makes you happy, makes the world a better place, does it matter anyway? Can WE do any better to improve the world and bring understanding? If so go ahead. The world awaits your input.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I notice that the comments below are quite consistent. I wonder were these comments from the writer himself.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          The fact that I've followed the advice given in the Abraham Hicks videos to complete success every time implies that there's at least some truth behind what she says. I personally choose not to give as much weight to the idea of "Abraham" being some entity "channeled" by Hicks, but if I listen to the words I can hear truth. I've compared what Hicks says and the principles behind the teachings with spirituality, religion and prayer and can draw a great many number of parallels. Setting aside the labels of "Abraham", "Esther" or "Jerry", I take on the advice and get great results in my own life.I disagree with either of these "sides" that I'm being offered to choose from as the "side" that agrees with the teachings is not the true reason I would support them. See above.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          Only one way to find out.

        Criminals, Anyone?

        Do laws create criminals as Esther Hicks claims or were there dangers present before the laws were passed to protect us?

        What do you think?

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            David Stone 23 months ago from New York City

            IMO, Robert, you've beat the game. If it feels good, great. Best of luck in your journey.

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            Robert 23 months ago

            I've been listening to Esther for about four years. I like the sound of her voice, and her delivery when she's portraying Abraham. Some of her "teachings" are good, I think; some aren't. As with any faith, you really do have to sort of cherry pick. I find a lot, if not most of the stuff I hear uplifting.

            However, I never really bought into the Abraham stuff. I've listened and listened, waiting for her to mess up and say "I" instead of "we", and the other day I heard it on one of the YouTube clips. She tells the guy in the "hot seat" "I'm trying to think of the right word..." I laughed when I heard that. She's human and she's bound to slip up once in a while. Funny thing is, her followers don't hear that or seem to want to acknowledge it. It's okay, though. Some of what she's said has helped me a great deal. And I've never spent one cent of my money on her! I only listen to her on YT and I've borrowed a book or two from the library, and copied her meditation CDs. Pretty selfish of me, I know, but...

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @maurice-adelmon: No, thats silly. The crimes are there and laws were created to prevent them. The most superficial study of the history of civilization makes this obvious. In real life, crime actually forces the creation of laws to protect potential victims, not the other way around. One more foolish error from Abraham-Hicks.

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            maurice-adelmon 3 years ago

            In essence, laws create criminals, as without a law there is no crime.

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Thanks for your thoughtful response, Barbara. I'm not a 100% with you on all your points, but seeing a rationale response with some thought behind it here is refreshing.

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            Hi,I think the original bill or rights are sufficient if applicably used. I don't think laws create criminals; however how they are interpreted; who created them; and why, can create undo criminals,unsung heroes, and sometimes innocent victims (Trayvon Martin). When I look at the make-up of the prison population (which is largely minorities) it makes me shudder. We ought to all agree the prison system is broken.I recently came across A-H (yesterday) and like a salad bar, some of it I like and other parts I don't. The parts I like, I take a double scoop and the parts I don't I leave behind. However, just because I don't like the tomatoes don't mean they aren't good for me and it definitely doesn't mean that other people aren't going to love tomatoes. The part about death doesn't bother me and nor does her perceived "coldness" towards the matter. I have lost so many loved ones and now being old enough to really grasp the fact that death is inevitable, I prefer "coldness" (which could be argued as strength or could be argued as a defense mechanism to something so little of us truly understand besides its inevitability) vs crying or being scared of something that one day will surely happen -- doesn't mean that I don't cry. Again, I just started listening to some of A-H on you tube and the conversations seem geared toward adults who ought to be able to handle a conversation about death without the fluff. Maybe if the conversation about death was centered more around the temporary separation that death brings vs the actually death itself, more compassion could be brought forward. After all, it's the fact that we can't physically see, touch, or talk to our loved ones anymore that really brings the sadness/despair.About sex. . .I'm sexually free and can definitely make it through a seminar without going there. Not because I'm a puritan, but rather an adult woman and not some horny college kid. If I was looking for sex talk or advice I would not go to A-H, maybe Dr. Ruth or somebody in that field. It's all relative. I know the happier I am the more sexually charged I feel. Maybe the point is to not talk about sex, but to create an environment/a feeling that leads to the actually doing of sex without having to discuss the lack thereof.PS Please excuse any typos that I may have made, I have read earlier posts and saw how people with typos can be rather cruelly judged.Thanks so much for this forum!

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Nice to see you again, Zena. You signature "Wow!" and "I've just come across this 'blog' are familiar. You also composed this comment in advance and pasted it in. You did it twice, imaging maybe you could get around a filter. Nice try, but I'm the filter. As long as you're on topic and you don't violate the Squidoo TOS with anything like profanity as some angry Abers do, you can comment."...she has helped millions get a handle on mastering/guiding their own lives." Really? Where's the evidence? I believe she's caused massive damage by giving spiritually lazy, gullible people a way out of doing the work of being an adult who takes on life at its fullest. The rest of us have to carry the load you won't. You're the spiritual equivalent of a perpetual welfare dependent, except that most welfare dependents have little choice. You do.While I appreciate you kindness is recommending "emotional housework," I can't help but wonder why you imagined I'd be interested in advice from someone like you. I have a life and a good one, even though I don't follow Estherham or agree with her, amazing as that must seem to someone like you.Scratching my head - what do you find hypocritical about letting readers of my work know I've written books they can buy if they want to? (Yes, yes, I realize this is a tactic you picked up back at AHP. Sock puppets keep repeating it, but it makes no sense.)Hey, it would be great for Esther Hicks if the other skeptics and I stopped focusing on what she's "doing wrong," wouldn't it? What if what I wanted was to find a way to keep manipulative fakes from polluting society? What would that mean to you?

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            @David Stone1: Wow! I've just come across this 'blog' and I agree with 'disappointed' I do find it quite incredible that pretty much at the beginning of all of this...you are pushing your own books. Bit of a hypocrite I reckon! Whilst it is good to question others motives, there is nothing good to be gained by reading your words and I'm unsure what you are trying to prove by slagging someone else off...Esther is still human and maybe trips up from time to time but 99% of her work/wisdom WHEREVER it has come from...is absolutely spot on and she has helped millions get a handle on mastering/guiding their own lives. You even contradict yourself in replying to 'disappointed' in the first sentence. It is you that cannot deal with anyone elses opinion other than your own. This whole blog of yours is full of negativity and I suggest you do some emotional housework. Or just start focussing on what you DO want as opposed to what you think that others are doing wrong.

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Yeah, what Esther claims is just adolescent foot-stamping, whining for people so immature they still haven't gotten over having rules the rest of the culture expects them to respect.Mutual protection was one of the main drivers of civilization, and one of the first things people did as they clustered in cities was to get a police force. I wonder how many of Esther Hicks followers leave their doors open at night so as not to turn anyone else into criminals.

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Riffs like that one, Jesse, could get you your own channeling assignment. You'd definitely be more fun than Esther.

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            I am no expert. I caught a few of the Abraham Hicks videos over the past few days and ended up here after I decided to look int it some. Anyway, you will have to accept my apology for not being a credible source. If it is any consolation, at least one of us is getting something out of me reading this and commenting (Hint: me).Ok, now it is time for my observations. Make yourself comfortable. Perhaps take off your shoes and get a beverage of your choosing, or, conversely, sit Indian style on bed of nails and chant. Whatever floats your Chakra. I am not here to judge (much). Ok, boom, observation time! Ready? I'm gonna hit you with it: This stuff makes me feel good. And I ask myself, "Self, if it turns out all of this is a load of mumbo jumbo, but it makes me feel good... is it worth my time?" The answer: Yes. I think. I'm pretty sure. Well, you know, I will go with that answer for the time being anyway...And hold on, I know what you are thinking; I'm with ya': You're going, "Woah, there Jesse! Hold your horses! You just circumvented logic and reasoning and evidence and all that! Why don't you grab yourself a fork, fasten your bib, and get down to the real meat and potatoes of this issue!"Exactomundo. I'm getting there. No need to be harsh, friend; take a deep breath, drink your beer and/or adjust your nail bed/hot coals/asphyxiation device accordingly.Let's talk crime and punishment. Law and order. Cops and robbers. You know what I'm referring to, you ol' one-eyed squidoo monster, you! Both of our jaws are on the floor on this one. (I told ya' I'm right there with you). That whole absence of laws thing... it makes no sense andOh, let me interrupt myself here, as far as the whole 9/11 thing I'm not touching that one 'cuz I feel like as much as the brunt of your argument is well thought out on the rest of it, I feel you're kind of reaching for the sad violin music fallacy when you bring that up (and hey, in and of itself, not a bad choice to pepper in some dramatic stuff there as a writer) and I saw some really solid arguments in response to it alreadyAnyway, yeah, the whole law thing, that is either ridiculous or too profound for the likes of me. You know what I'm saying? Doesn't make sense, that whole arrangement... but as far as not making sense or seeming fair or whatever, here (and you didn't bring this up but I am going to) is what really gets me: YOU HAVE TO BE HAPPY... TO GET HAPPY. Basically. You know? Does not seem a very kind or fair way for the universe to set that up does it. Sounds kind of like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer in a way doesn't it? I can't say that aspect of it sits very well with me at all!Oh what was the other thing? Oh yeah, sex... Well, she should talk about it. I don't know why she/Abraham/the audience or whoever has got a problem with that. I mean if you can't use the law attraction to get more sexthen just how useful is it? You know what I'm talking about, Dave. I'm talking about ATTRACTING the ladies... like a compass... to my "north pole"! Oh yeah... And Hey, I might be the only one saying it, but I know I am not the only one thinking it!

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            It takes very little research to discover that laws are most often created in response to actions. Someone does something that hurts or violates another and a new law gets passed. As an example, drunk drivers used to be put in a cell to sober up and released or sent home. It took a great deal of effort to make drunk driving illegal. Did the law create drunk drivers? No, it only created standard penalties for behaviors that were already happening.

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: How, Katie, can you think for yourselves if you only have a single point of view you hear from. Abraham-Hicks proselytizes endlessly, on the their website, in a deluge of slickly produced YouTube infomercials, etc. Yet, you find the few of us who take a different point of view troubling?A consistent theme I've seen from Abraham-Hicks devotees is a defensive assumption that people who disagree "are in a bad place." I hope you won't be too disappointed to learn that such is not the case with me or any other the others I know. They're lively, funny, free to think and into various things that have nothing to do with A-H. What we all share is a distaste for hucksterism and cults.As an example of cult-thinking in your comment is your assuming that you know how much time I spend researching and writing about Abraham-Hicks. This is a tactic for trying to taint the results you don't like by injecting an illusion of unfairness. Yet, like numerous other rigid Abers, you have no evidence that anything I've written is inaccurate. You just don't like it. So, you close your mind with a convenient excuse. That's characteristic of a cult. Maybe you should go off to some quiet place and ask yourself if you are really thinking clearly, considering all possibilities and if having such a closed mind is really healthy.Your expressed concern for me was insincere, but mine for you and others in that cult are not. I hope you can all open up and consider a larger universe than the one you're stuck in. If you still feel that following Esther is the thing to do, fine. But at least open up enough to consider the possibilities. It's a much better world out there than you realize.

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            anonymous 3 years ago

            Every one has to sift through a lot of thoughts, whether they come from our parents, teachers, preachers, priest, tv, etc, to decide for themselves, what is true, and what is not. I get a bad feeling for you, that you took so much of your time and energy, to talk so negative about any one. You sound like you are in a bad place with your self .After reading what you wrote, then wanting us to buy your book, made me believe in Abraham-hicks even more .She lifts people up to a higher awareness level ,for their own good .All you have written about, is cutting some one down. Give us a break, we can think for our selves.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: One of the best and most useful learning experiences I ever had came from reading Saul Bellow's novel "Mr. Sammler's Planet," when I was a young man. At the end of the story, old Sammler is praying for his recently deceased friend, talking to God, really, and he acknowledges that, in spite of our actions, we all do know what the right thing to do is. He concludes: "For that is the truth of it, God, that we know, that we know..." That's been guidance for me for forty years, even when I sometimes failed the standard. There is nothing at all to be gained by flinching away from the truth, no matter who likes it.Thanks, as always, Susie.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Dave, I love how you don't mince words ever and you lead discussions that I get a little lost in at times....my brains is floating right now....I think you will always be one of the most interesting minds around. I believe there is an internal system that regulates us for right and wrong...and sometimes we even go out of those parameters. Does that make us lawless...or just human?

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: shri, I don't know what to think of that. I've seen suggestions like this before, but I can't really get my mind around the idea. Maybe if someone had a fuller explanation.Thanks for bringing it up, shri. Maybe somebody can enlighten us.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Someone just told me her info was coming from different characters within her. She was coming from good light but not so good energys were latching on to her words and confusing het followers what do you think about that Dave?

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: It's too bad, disappointed, that you can't deal with anyone whose opinions differ from yours. In the process you make a couple of ridiculous assumptions without having any idea if they are correct.Even Esther would call what you're doing "pushing against" and of not value to you or anyone else.You're passionate enough. I hope you come back sometime when you have something constructive to add. It's a world full of ideas we share and debate. Get with it. It isn't personal.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            and yet, here YOU ARE, cashing in on all their work in the most cynical, cold and shallow way imaginable. Go and get your OWN life and stop trying to bring other people down.

          © 2010 David Stone

          So, is Esther Hicks faking, shallow or something else? - What do you think?

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              David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

              I couldn't agree with you more. I hope you will develop some articles of your own on the topics you mentioned. I find Brian Weiss, for instance, fascinating and inspiring. In the meantime, thanks for your thoughtful comments.

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              BardScribe 2 years ago from Iowa

              Hi, David. I am very much into the Law of Attraction/Create your own reality stuff, but interestingly, I did not come by the idea via the A-H material, so I am not exactly an A-H apologist. I do have some of their work sitting on my shelves, still, because they were part of my journey, if you will. That being said, I do strive to look at the integrity of my sources of information and I trust my intuition if I am led to something that does not match up with what I've experienced up to this point. I do believe that our emotions and other subtle energies can influence our physical form--this is something that is featured in films like "What the Bleep Do We Know," where they actually interview quantum physicists as well as obvious spiritual types. However, you are correct in saying that there are teachers of things like the Law of Attraction that are, in don Miguel Ruiz's words, "impeccable with their word." As for your comments in another hub where you refer to "The Secret" video and the fact that there were allegedly acrimonious feelings between Rhonda Byrne and the A-H "team," I found those comments interesting and revealing. The Law of Attraction is a universal concept. You cannot put a copyright on it or take other people to court for teaching about it. That would be like Dr. Brian Weiss, a noted expert on reincarnation and related topics, taking Dr. Raymond Moody to court for writing on the same subject. Granted, humans are imperfect, but indeed, I have yet to hear of Dr. Weiss getting into it with Dr. Moody.

              As for Dr. Wayne Dyer, a noted supporter of the A-H material, I have to honestly shrug my shoulders about his support of that material, because we do not know if he is aware of the dying off of the "A-H" believers and for which reasons. I also shrug my shoulders about him because, despite his popularity and remaining credibility, I do not find myself rushing to buy his books. I read what I feel compelled to read, and Wayne Dyer, while a good read during a rainy day, is more likely to be a library check-out-author for me, rather than a "yes-yes-pay-money-and-take-me-home-for-good" author. :-) Don Miguel Ruiz's work, or "Conversations With God," by Neale Donald Walsch, are far more compelling, and far deeper, philosophically and spiritually.

              It is not an easy job writing expose pieces, but the pieces you've written are tremendously thought-provoking, and they shed some rather incriminating light on the Hicks' venture. Thank you for having the courage to speak up. As you have put forth in your other hubs, there are other spiritual teachers with more integrity about them.

              Namaste to You,

              Kat ^.^

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              David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

              Thank you, pennyofheaven, for you thoughtful, engaging comments. Very much appreciated.

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              pennyofheaven 2 years ago from New Zealand

              Maybe Im late to the party however I just stumbled upon your hub. Very interesting. I found it very engaging and gave me much food for thought. The following comments are a result of my thought processes.

              Determining whether or not Esther is shallow, cold and not very bright is a very subjective experience and will be based entirely on one’s own parameters of perception. Determining therefore will be difficult considering no one is her except for her. How Esther is perceived therefore will depend on many variables. Esther’s experiences, intuitions, call it what you will, are hers alone. What or how and who she chooses to share these with is entirely her choice. What one chooses to subscribe to is equally their choice.

              Since Jesus is no longer a physical entity, I don’t see why then he or at least the energy of what he was (if still a cohesive pattern) cannot be part of the 100 lot of nonphysical entities supposedly having their say in the teachings she chose to share. That it is said that ‘she is what Jesus was’ I get what that is pointing to. After all it is what he tried to teach while in the physical.

              With regards to the website and it describing Jerry as it does. Perhaps the descriptive elements are referring to the indestructible aspect of that which we are...i.e. energy. Some might call it the spirit of Jerry. Not physical then. One may never know nor can we presume to.

              You made a very valuable point in asking whether or not one should take their word for whatever they are advocating. In my view, that will depend. Each man is at a different point in their life. For some, it may be useful for where they are at on their path. For others what they advocate may no longer be useful. Their path will then by necessity take a whole new direction if they so choose. Letting go of teachers or teachings that are no longer useful or do not apply to one’s life path is not easy for some. Nevertheless experience being our greatest teacher will ultimately be the decider when one has to move on

              That they chose to make money on their path makes them no different to any other living person except that they saw an opportunity to support themselves while helping others. If there was no demand they would not sell a thing.

              Death being delightful would not be a description that I would use however that is what she chose to use. Did it bring peace to anyone or didn’t it? Did it bring pain? Perhaps both.

              Her comments on Laws making criminals goes much deeper than what she has alluded to. Unless she did a whole Sermon on the Mount thing, I can see how it does not make a whole lot of sense in the context of her comment.

              As for Sex. Is it possible that these subjects did not come up? Perhaps it was not at the forefront of their followers minds at the time?

              Thanks for the engaging hub.

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @darkflowers: Thanks, darkflowers. Using your head is good. Keep working those brain cells. It's the world's best exercise.

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              Anja Toetenel 3 years ago from The Hague, the Netherlands

              Wow you did a lot of research, I loved reading your Lens and it's great you asked questions, never believe until you've researched things yourself, that is also my life motto. I've heard a lot about this couple, but never 'met' them. Maybe they started genuine and then success took its toll and they had to keep on producing in order to stay successful or so? This is what happens a lot in this 'medium world'. I'm like you, I certainly believe in supernatural things, in life after death, but I stay skeptic and I love to do good research! Wonderful Lens Dave! I hope I'm not out of likes for today (there's a max of 20 likes per day and I see a lot of Lenses I like!), but wanted to let you know I really liked this one, great!

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: MACDOC, I'm speechless. I can't understand enough about what you said to respond.So, you don't think Esther is faking. That's fine. About all I can say.

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              anonymous 3 years ago

              No, she is not faking not even close. The truth, no matter howuncomfortable and in your face it seems to be it is still leaps and bounds ahead and beyond measure above our simple egotisticle minds. Abraham at all costs only will tell us what we ultimately can handle, nothing more nothing less. Father makes that a must for our own benefit - for the ultimate outcome.how can we really know what's in our own best interest when we can't even figure out LOVE.

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Maybe I'll give him another chance, then. I watched the Video #21 where he goes over his basic concept. The data thing isn't new to me. It's incomplete, but really just a computer-tinted take on what we all know about how our sensory organs and brain function. He was completely wrong when he likened a newborn child's brain as a blank slate, though. That's provably inaccurate.I liked his sense of humor and his style. So, I'll check something farther down the road and see what I get. Thanks.By the way, you may find Paul Davies' work interesting. He's also a physicist, and The Dancing Wu Li Masters is a good match for physics and Zen.4th of July. Outa here now!

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: It's an exciting adventure, Mark. That's for sure. I'm enjoying the ride as I surf through the many new ideas out there. Some are flaky and unsubstantiated; others have something interesting to contribute. I favor a more scientific approach, although the negative conservatism of the mainstream scientific community is an embarrassment to real inquiry.As far as Tom Campbell is concerned, he's a lot better than Esther Hicks in having some firm ground to stand on. His experience with quantum physics makes what he says more exciting, and he sticks to the facts up to point. The problem is when he takes the known facts and makes the startling leap, unsupported by any science to claim that the ultimate goal of people is love, whatever version of that word is handy.In his basic foundation, taking off on entropy, the Second Law of Thermodynamics, he correctly describes the range of high entropy (chaos) and low entropy (organization). He then leaps to the conclusion that low entropy is the ideal and the basis for what he calls "love." Really, there is no reason to say that a middle point between high and low isn't more interesting because it would dynamic and power change, whereas low entropy would seem stagnant.Minor point until he leaps to the New Age "love" buzz word that, examined for all its overuse, like God, tends to mean nothing reliable. It was interesting to see Campbell hooked up with Bruce Lipton, who does similar gymnastics with epigenetics. The conclusions they reach are so premature that they discredit themselves. Both seem to be reaching for the popular buzz word as simplistic way of reaching an audience, not a truth.

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              anonymous 3 years ago

              @David Stone1: Yeah, the copyright explanation for the videos coming down makes a lot of sense. When the unauthorized versions that haven't been carefully cleaned up are viewed, it makes Hicks look more like a fraud.Don't sweat the Tom Campbell stuff. I ultimately have to make my own judgments about whether his work is real and valuable for me or not. Its just hard to find a reasonably objective observer out there who is actually open to the possibility of contact with a larger reality, but isn't ready to swallow every new age guru or other religious novelty act hook, line and sinker. If you end up checking out his stuff, it will probably take you a long time to form a well-rounded opinion anyway. When I first discovered "My Big Toe" on YouTube, I went on their website forum and gave some of his fans a hard time about what I considered at the time to be outlandish claims. But I kept being drawn back into his words on YouTube, particularly his explanations about the double slit quantum erasure experiment and how it indicated that were living in a virtual reality, not like the surface and shallow explanations of basic double slit in What the Bleep do we Know, but more along the lines of the Copenhagen interpretation, with even more depth (Campbell is a physicist).I wont bore you with any details about my relatively short inner journey. Ill just say that what started out as some vague and nebulous contact with the larger reality during my meditations and lucid dreams is now becoming clear, specific and valuable to me. Its like a whole new world is opening up that I never knew existed. Cheers.

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: I came to the conclusion that A-H is spiritualism for the lazy, an easy way out that doesn't deliver anything but diversion. I will check out Tom Campbell and try to make time to read his material.As for the videos coming down, they were probably not approved by Abraham-Hicks. They've gone after copyright violations with threats of lawsuits in the past, in spite their claimed live and let live philosophy. They try to keep a controlled version out there. It helps them delete the obvious errors and questionable claims the skeptics have made note of.By the way, the "vortex of attraction" got invented after Esther and Jerry were denied a trademark claim on "law of attraction," which they claim Abraham invented. But it's been around since the New Thought Movement. It seemed an unusual blunder by Jerry who was trying to lock out the competition. A friend of mine was on the Monster Bus with them when they got the news. They went ballistic at not getting away with it.I'm not sure how soon I can get to Campbell or how I can let you know, but drop me a note somewhere in week or two. I'll let you know where I am with it.Thanks.

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              anonymous 3 years ago

              Hey Dave, You may have already discovered it, but one of the Abraham Hicks YouTube channels pulled down a bunch of her videos today. Apparently you were right when you said, "this ship is sinking fast," in one of your comments. I only just discovered her yesterday on YouTube and was kind of liking some of the things "Abraham" had to say. But then I saw her on a few videos trying to sell her DVDs right at the beginning of her talks, which made me wonder if it was only about the money and it was all fake. Anyway, I figured I'd give you a heads up about the videos coming down. I'm the guy who was asking you what you thought about Tom Campbell's book (and YouTube lectures) "My Big Toe" (theory of everything). If you ever do check out his material, I'd be interested in your review of it, since you seem pretty knowledgeable about all this new age stuff. Because of a few things that happened to me in my life, as well as my explorations of my own consciousness through meditation, I'm convinced there is a whole lot more going on in this reality than just the physical matter part of it we can see and touch. But there seems to be a lot of frauds out there, and Hicks could very well be one of them. A lot of the Vortex and Law of Attraction stuff is pretty simplistic, anyway, and doesn't seem to be of much value if you're beyond about a sixth grade level. Take Care.

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              David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: You've captured the situation pretty well, Ryan.As for Seth, I've read little that was posted on line. It was too abstruse for me. (Fancy way of saying I didn't get it.) But in the long run, Esther's stuff started out as a sort of dumbed down Seth. She and Jerry read a lot of the Seth material before inventing Abraham. Jury is still out on whether Jerry was fully aware of what she was really doing. Knowing a lot of the Seth stuff, plus the New Thought Movement, where they stole the "law of attraction," they then met with Sheila Gillette who channels Theo and ripped off her slant on things and her act. Sheila may be genuine. She is at least original.The trouble with Esther is a combination of not being well educated, narcissism and greed. When she comes up with her own stuff, it's often not so bright, like wisdom at the high school dropout level presented with ponderous gravity.No, Esther does not believe in charity. Her conviction is that is you associate with victims or others in trouble, you "lower your vibration" to their level, thereby reducing your own power. The numbskulls who fall all over her at seminars love this stuff because it leaves them off the hook. Not only are they victims of their own poor thoughts, they will bring you down if you try to help them. This selfish, sleavoid stuff.Finally, she won't do it for free because she has a gang of hangers on that depend on her for income, including her sister. She can't support them all with what she has in the bank for long.

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              anonymous 3 years ago

              Dave, have you read any of the Seth work? I haven't, but I'm just wondering if it is more substantial, or makes more sense to a thinking person. I've tried off and on to get into Abraham over the years, but while it sounds good at first, when you really think about it, the inevitable questions come up of people "attracting" things to them such as cancer, rape, tragedies, natural disasters, etc. And that just doesn't wash with me. It also bothers me that she claims you can "have, do or be" anything you want, but if you ever question why you haven't received what you want-then that's why you don't have what you want, because you're thinking about that you don't have it. Huh? Sounds like a convenient "teaching" to me. I definitely don't consider myself an intellectual or even extremely analytical, but when you actually think about a lot of this stuff, you start to realize so much of it is BS. I love self-help, and I'm intrigued by the idea of LOA, but I'm wondering if there are other teachings of it that aren't so simple minded and narcissistic. I just can't follow any sort of teaching that says the victims of 9/11 attracted it to themselves. But it seems if you take the good (or what sounds good) of LOA-you get you're attracting to you-you have to also take the bad-you've attracted all the bad stuff.And thank you for the articles on Abraham Hicks. I have been reading them the past couple of days. I have to wonder why she doesn't just retire? Why even more workshops, products, etc? How much money does one really need? Surely, the Hicks' became very wealthy. And if her goal is really to help people, why not just now offer the workshops for free, or for a small fee just to cover the expenses? Or why not start donating the proceeds to something like Red Cross? (Have any of their workshops ever been benefits to raise money for when a horrible tragedy happens-such as Hurricane Sandy? Or did they just blame the victims, and go on about their business?) I understand the need to be financially comfortable, but once you're set up financially for life, what's the point? I also understand the need to work even at retirement, but again, if you don't have to worry about money, why not do it for free? It just makes me feel that these people were all about greed, greed, greed. She didn't even slow down for her husband's death.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Really, DianeM, I haven't seen any evidence that what you say is true or anything more than wishful thinking.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              Apparently, what Esther does works for some, apparently, it does not work for you.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @NoYouAreNot: I get it now. I miss the old public poets who thrived when reading poetry was more commonplace, before distraction took people so far away from their inner selves. Wallace Stevens managed to thrive in both worlds, but he was one of the last ones.

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              NoYouAreNot 4 years ago

              @David Stone1: I was referring to the "pale, unsatisfied ones" trying to create one more kind of "cult" -- you know, stir noise, get followers, and the like... when we already have what we need.Glad to find one more Yeats admirer!

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @NoYouAreNot: Helenee, I don't think I understand the connection, but I'm always happy to include Yeats anywhere I can.Thanks!

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              NoYouAreNot 4 years ago

              I'd like to quote a poem by W.B. Yeats, which I think says much about this subject:"The Magi"Now as at all times I can see in the mind's eye,In their stiff, painted clothes, the pale unsatisfied onesAppear and disappear in the blue depth of the skyWith all their ancient faces like rain-beaten stones,And all their helms of silver hovering side by side,And all their eyes still fixed, hoping to find once more,Being by Calvary's turbulence unsatisfied,The uncontrollable mystery on the bestial floor.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Sorry, Dan. Was that the question? As a dedicated practitioner of Reality Therapy for over thirty years, I suggest you can find more reliable, dependable and consistent resources in many places.Use what you want, but it concerns me that you blow off the fact that you may be helping to sell your patients snake oil.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              I really feel you are taking a pretty jaded point of view. As a therapist who uses cognitive behavioural therapy to help my patients, I find the Abraham Hicks material (faked or real?) helpful - from my position the more ways people can access healthy positive living the better.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @MadeInAmerica LM: I think you're right, MadeInAmerica, except that it's worse than that. They're ripping off Seth in substance and Theo in style, but they're dumbing it down to catch the happy not to think crowd.Seth, via Jane Roberts, had a lot of exciting, detailed things to say, much of it over my head and the majority well beyond anything Esther dishes up like pre-digested baby food.Thanks for your comment.

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              MadeInAmerica LM 4 years ago

              I think they're ripping off the Seth/Jane Roberts material, which I do think is for real because those books,published back in the 60s/70s mentioned stuff like multiple dimensions and infinite probabilities, and your thoughts in the present being able to influence the past, all stuff which wasn't known then, but which has since become part of physics theory (I just read an article that validated the idea events in the present influencing the past at sub atomic level)

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              anonymous 6 years ago

              I do not find Esther Hicks very convincing, there cannot exist communication with dead, maybe you will have to transcend to their world in their next existence to communicate.

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              David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

              @darciefrench lm: Interesting phenomenon, Darcie. I have a friend, Kyra, who does a lot of research in this, and there is some intriguing stuff out there. But it seems that what the Hicks's have done in reaching general audience is just pandered after people's hopes, tickling a sort of narcissism in a segment of the population. Good marketing in any case.I have several hubs on this topic, plus the lenses. Some of the followers are ranking me down all the time. Part of the game with sacred cows.

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              darciefrench lm 6 years ago

              I've never read her work, seen her physicality, or heard her speak. (Or Abraham). Sounds like a fun stage act- like a hypnotist that convinces his audience they're baby goats for 30 minutes. Only it seems it could take lifetimes for some folks to get over the illusion of channeling.

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