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Is Esther Hicks Faking?

Updated on February 23, 2015

Abraham-Hicks: Faked or Just Shallow, Cold and Not Very Bright?

Is Esther Hicks putting one over on us with Abraham or is she really interpreting infinite wisdom deposited in her mind in "blocks of thought," messages from 100 "nonphysical teachers," all intimately connect to God or "Source" as she contends?

One of the group, she tells us, is Jesus. Alternatively, she has also said, via her Abraham persona, that she is "what Jesus was."

Judging by countless contractions, gross errors in fact and the way her stage appearance and style of performance has been altered, former followers now believe Esther Hicks fakes the channeling of Abraham, at least some of the time.

Some believe she always did or just exaggerated what her own intuition, conditioned by the late Jerry Hicks instruction, was giving her.

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Esther Hicks in Her Restrained Persona

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"What Jesus Was, Esther Is." Really?

One member of the Abraham group, Esther claims, is Jesus.

She also, speaking as "Abraham." said that "What Jesus was, Esther is," before going on to say she speaks for Buddha too. That was cracked enough for me, but there's more.

Although followers have dropped off in significant numbers since the illness and death of Esther's husband and business partner, Jerry Hicks, many still turn to her for inspiration.

But an erosion of trust has been eating away at this once upbeat, charismatic and reliable source of guidance and insight, accusing Esther and Abraham-Hicks of being frauds and seeding a cult.

Her message has changed in ways that throw into question everything about Esther Hicks' two decades long presentation of Abraham.

Any objective observer has to wonder - Is Abraham-Hicks real?

Put another way, is Esther Hicks making it up as she goes along,channeling an increasingly shallow, cold and even mean-spirited Abraham?

An Objective Review of Abraham-Hicks

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

What are the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings, really? Do they make sense? Did Jerry Hicks die? If so, when and where? And what about the birth of Abraham - how did that happen? Click here for answers.

 

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This Just In - Proof That They Lie

Jerry Hicks died in 2011, didn't he?

If Esther Hicks' signing off her email spam with Jerry's name, right there with hers and Abraham's, as if there are three "entities," a closer look at the Abraham-Hicks website promotes more fiction.

On this page, they claim that Esther and Jerry live "a fairy-tale life."

Not only are they zigzagging across the country in their monster bus, but they are breathing "huge lungfuls of joy" while they're at it, not an easy thing to do when you've been dead a few years.

According to the same Abraham-Hicks web page, Jerry Hicks is really not dead. In fact, he's "an adult who enjoys almost perfect health and vitality."

Really?

Yes, A-H says, the spring in his step "rivals men half his age."

Let's see now. Half his age would be 42, and it isn't changing.

I'm open to any suggestions about why Abraham-Hicks knowingly publishes false information on their website. I can't think of a good one myself.

Read It For Yourself - The First Big Hit

Although Jerry and Esther Hicks published a series of less successful Abraham books before it, Ask and It Is Given was the one they have lead followers to believe came first.

Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires
Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires

In this book, Esther and Jerry (who claim the book was dictated to Esther exactly as is) lay out the philosophy they have stuck with.

They claim we live in a "Law of Attraction" universe where everything is controlled by vibrations or thoughts, depending on the chapter. Although they preach a theology of vibrations, the key phrase is "You get what you think about."

See what you think.

 

Abraham-Hicks For Beginners

An Introduction

I'm completely comfortable with the idea of life after death and with communications between the living and the dead, that is, between what Abraham-Hicks would call physical and nonphysical.

But does it really make sense to just take the Abraham-Hicks team's word for what is taking place? Especially with the rabid focus on product sales and marketing, who can say what's true with them anymore?

For example, just taking on the basics, is it true that Esther says she receives nonverbal blocks of thought, which she interprets, when she has already told the story of being lead to a typewriter when Abraham took control of her hands to type out a book announcement?

What about when her partner and marketing director, Jerry Hicks, announces that "Abraham smiled," in support of a sales pitch? How does a nonphysical entity smile?

Or, when, according to Jerry, these spiritual guides had nothing better to do than hawk guided meditations that he was peddling for wildly exorbitant prices?

"These will get you in the vortex," he claims to have heard from Abraham.

Going back to my childhood when I found myself doubting the religious doctrines being taught (the Noah and the Ark thing stands out as an early red flag), I see a long string of questions popping up in my mind.

Question Authority! was a popular phrase that appealed to me and still does.

When I got caught up in the Law of Attraction fever that quickly became so popular, I found my skepticism rising. The Teachings of Abraham, as promoted by Esther and Jerry Hicks, checked out surprisingly well.

Oh, there were a couple of things that didn't add up, but over all, I liked its veracity and consistency.

I believe there was a lot credibility in the beginning, maybe from wisdom learned elsewhere or even from a true channeling. Teaching matters.

But there are so many errors today, poorly conceived ideas and staging for marketing efforts, the message has been lost. Commitment and passion seem to be taking a backseat to a shallow narcissism that sells to a market looking for an easy, lottery-like solution and instant self-gratification.

That doesn't mean the original teachings were untrue, but it makes you wonder why they've been set aside in favor of all this marketing, if Esther and Jerry Hicks genuinely believed them to be true in the first place.

Abraham Hicks on Aging, Medicine and Sickness

In her own words.

"Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Sedona, AZ on Saturday, August 27th, 2005

"The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, 'Let it go, let it go, let it go.' That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR, on , May 16th, 2000And death itself:

"'...death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

--- AbrahamExcerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on Tuesday, September 25th, 2001

Note: This claim, that death is always "delightful" was dished out two weeks after the World Trade Center Disaster. For pregnant women jumping to their deaths from eighty floors in the sky, for professionals supporting families, for the captured passengers on commercial flights, a few with infants in their laps, death was a "delightful" experience, according to Esther Hicks.

Laws Are Responsible for Criminals

Teachings of Abraham, April 25, 1999

"It is your rules that make unlawful beings. You would get along better if you would just trust each other to treat each other appropriately, but you don't. So you keep making laws -- until you make criminals of everyone."

This is like saying we turned this poor lion into a man-eater because we're so tasty. We're at fault. Lie down, and let yourself be eviscerated.

Thank you.

I suppose ideas like this one appeal to hopeful idealists who believe that rules don't matter and leaders are obstructionists. We should all do our thing, and not only that, we should just trust others to do theirs. We would "get along better" that way.

So, we created "unlawful beings" by creating rules.

The only way to read this whacky claim is that we should have no rules about anything because the rules themselves create the danger. In other words, whatever anyone else does, we should regard it as okay.

If it's not or we think some guidelines need to be made to protect ourselves, we are at fault for not trusting.This has a sort of lame, idealist's appeal, but from a group of approximately one-hundred nonphysical teachers, you'd expect something a little better worked out.

Wisdom, anyone?

The romantic inferences about the divinity in all of us is well-intended, probably, but shallow and juvenile.

Abraham-Hicks and Sex

What?

You know, I wanted to look at what Abraham had to say about sex.

It's certainly on our minds often enough, but unlike "death," a search for "sex" on the Abraham-Hicks website turns up only a single entry in all they have indexed.

At that, it's "sexuality" that comes up, not sex.

Try it yourself. Search "death." Then, search "sex." The contrast is striking.

Where's the love?

Not where you might think it is sometimes, that's for sure.

If Abraham exists and feeds blocks of thought to Esther to interpret, I've gradually become puzzled at their lack of physical awareness. More about that later, but for now, let's consider the absence of sex in their lives or non-lives, as the case may be.

In twenty-five years of seminars, wouldn't it have come up more than, say, once? Wouldn't Abraham, who claims to know everything, including what we are thinking, have made at least a witty comment or two?

More than the Absence of Physical Awareness

There's more to the absence of physical awareness, a lack of empathy, for example. But to me, this seems more like the preoccupations of an elderly, sexless couple than of an ageless wise one.

Makes you wonder about the audience too? What makes them so comfortable in sex free environments?

There's a kind of neo-Puritanism threading through much of the New Age community, and maybe that accounts for some of Esther's appeal.

Grandmotherly sweetness and charm. No sex.

Are "nonphysical beings" without a compass in a world with so much sex? - Or is it just Esther and Jerry?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: I don't think you got that quite right, godslive, but you have such fun with it, I hesitate to point out your error.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Thank you. I always wanted to be amazing.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Let me answer simply. The question is in the title. This isn't a history lesson on Esther Hicks. Who didn't do Amway in the '70s? Me, for one. I had a job at the time. And just for the record, neither Esther nor Jerry were ever Mormons. One of Esther's parents was born Mormon, but not the other. As you surely know, marrying out of the faith meant they could not be practicing Mormons nor could their children. I wrote a separate who is Jerry Hicks page, by the way, and his history is intriguing, if mostly obscured by changing identities. It certainly isn't the bio they claim on there web page. For one thing, Jerry is dead, but A-H doesn't know it yet. For another, challenged to name some of the other celebrities he claimed to know in his career as entertainer, Jerry mentioned Rip Taylor. Rip said he never heard of Jerry Hicks. I don't care who believes me "over them," since one Esther and Jerry strategy is to obscure their personal histories. They never make a case for themselves. You are just expected to believe unconditionally, no questions asked.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: All of your comments are being published. Sorry you and all these victims you mention were forced to read and comment. Frankly, I think you're a little shaky in your A-H beliefs, and your venom is being stirred as a defense because you want to hang onto those cherished beliefs.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Really?

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Can you cite a few "clear examples?" All I've seen are vapid generalizations. Give me five, please. Thank you. Clear now, right? Not just Esther's my happy pill sort of stuff.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: "Abraham" is a fiction and didn't do anything to me or anyone else. I do know some people who believe that Esther and Jerry have hurt them, but I'm not one of them.Sorry is this upset your neat little conclusion.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Just to help you along, I should tell you that I never thought Esther, Abraham or anyone else was a prophet. I did think that some of what Esther had to say came tantalizingly close to intuitions I had, but when you look at anything objectively, you know, like an adult, you get a perspective of good, bad and a lot in between. Of course, there's a great deal of value Esther has shared. You find, though, that it's all derivative, borrowed from others, dumbed down for commercial consumption, and even the act is a mimic of Sheila Gillette. What's more concerning are the big errors, the discouraging followers from seeking medical care, claiming every death is a suicide and that even victims of child abuse, rape and war bring it on themselves. Her blame the victim philosophy is appalling and no deep spiritual fount of wisdom could be that callous. Ergo -- a fake, in my opinion, and a dangerous one.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Then, why are you reading them with such persistence? I've got a guess.PS: my wife likes that picture. It was taken on a vacation in Barcelona. We had a great time. Sorry you don't like it.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: Yes, it would be, if it were true. I've often noticed that people who disagree, but can't make a good counterargument default to impugning the motives of the other person. You, for example. It's not sad. It's just a waste of energy.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @godslive: I "sound like a petulant child?" The only sound you can gather from writing is your own inner interpretation. That is, you hear what you want to hear. I'd be curious to know how you came to the conclusion that "Many people that come away dissatisfied with Abraham, are the people that want all the answers NOW. They are the ones that invested ALL their beliefs, feelings and intentions on being healed by Abraham." Reads like protective rationalization to me, building a fence around your own beliefs to fend off what you perceive as threats.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: You just admitted that it never gets old being "overtly hateful."There you are people - DaveStone13 is saying to all of us, that he's overtly hateful and it never gets old being that way.We can only expect to be kicked by a mule...

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Again, resorting to name calling an put downs because you're afraid someone else might be right and you might be wrong.You're such an amazing example of negativity! Amazing!!!!

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: What question is there to answer Dave? You don't present any questions, or answers in your "expose" on Abraham. You simply tell everyone to believe you when you say that they are fake. You never provided any of the answers to the history of Esther Hicks. You hinted at Amway (who didn't do that in the 70's, especially Mormons, which Esther and Jerry once were...did you know THAT?) and Jerry coaching Esther...but where's the real biography on these people? Where's the reasoning why we should believe you over them or Abraham???

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @anonymous: Perfect Saidi!!!

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hypocrite. "Only lazy people hear and see what they want..." What a mean, nasty little bully you are. Wow.As I read further and further down, I'm seeing more and more people that try to show you compassion and only quote good things from Abraham, yet you attack them. You actually had the audacity to call someone LAZY for being kind? What kind of creature are you? You're like an emotional/energy vampire, provoking people just to get them in a place where they are as miserable as you are.Saying that, I better stop commenting or I'll be influenced by your nastiness. Chances are, you'll flag all my comments anyhow, so that only your beliefs will be read - as most people like you are wont to do.Good luck with that, though it's more than luck you're gonna need to change your outlook on people that are just trying to reach out to you with kindness.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: So YOU know more than Wendy. YOU are superior to her and Sam and anybody that would disagree with your angry tirades!?!?!I love it Stone. You don't get your own references (the OTHER guru's you've suggested). You get what you give.Period.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: When people give clear examples, you ignore what they say and put them down. How does that make you right? Why should people blindly accept and believe YOUR view on Esther/Abraham and not think for themselves? You seem truly upset when people don't say, "oh thank you davestone, you have cleared my precious head from that nasty Abraham!" Seriously man, you're one miserable guy.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @anonymous: Well put Sam! I agree, DaveStone is very jaded and hurt by something Abraham did to him (in his mind). The negativity that he's spreading with this blog is certainly not helping...

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Ah, you just gave yourself away. You once held Esther/Abraham as a PROPHET - you "listened to many hours of recordings." You would only have given your time to Abraham if you believed at the time. Now you've become a disillusioned, angry man because you didn't apply the teachings and you didn't change. I totally understand where you're coming from. I was a mormon for most my life - 7th generation actually and a returned missionary to boot. When I went through the temple rituals I lost my "testimony," thus my belief in my life-long faith. It was really hard and I struggled with the need to have something to believe in. I struck out in anger at a church that betrayed and lied to me. In reality, being born into that faith make me even more aware when I finally awakened and moved away from it. You feel betrayed by Abraham for some reason known only to you - so you strike out as a child would, to a parent that let him down. The only thing is, the parent (Abraham) didn't know what you wanted because you wanted an easy fix. You wanted Abraham to make your life good, without any effort on your part. Look at your responses to people on here - that's the point you attack the most: the people that FEEL they have gained something from Abraham. Dude, take your betrayal and your need to put people down, and do something with your life. For pete's sake, take a better picture - at least TRY to look pleasant. Being a curmudgeonly bully isn't attractive and you're putting all that negativity out there - so of course you're getting it ALL back. Funny that you still suggest other books to read - so you've found other "prophets" that suit you better, yet you're still not a happy person and I'd go so far to say - from your attacks on other people - you're not a good person. That's what really matters in this world. You add anger to this planet, not kindness, compassion or love.Truly sad.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Man, anybody going down this list, looking at the comments and then seeing your ruthless, angry responses, will certainly choose Esther/Abraham over you, anyway! All you bring is anger - look at your picture, you look miserable! Of course you're attacking other people's beliefs. You sit on this board like some superior judge, putting people down if they DARE challenge your meaningless research (nonexistent) on Esther/Abraham.Dude, disagree with Esther/Abraham. Heck, hate them with all your heart. Good for you! But telling people they are wrong, misled or less educated, only makes you a bully. Your responses to people are educated or meaningful, they are cruel and should be flagged. You're the kind of person anyone should avoid if they want to feel good about life.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @David Stone1: Why do you resort to putting people down when you realize they won't blindly follow your opinion?How sad.

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      godslive 3 years ago

      @anonymous: I really appreciate your level-headed, compassionate response to the question of whether or not Abraham is real. My partner and I have listened to Abraham's CDs and DVDs for many years. While James (my partner) likes to read Abraham's books, I find I can't get through the disjointed syntax.Is Abraham real? I don't know, and I think the only person that knows is Esther. She seems to have good intentions and I believe that she has truly helped many people with her/Abraham's words. That's what's important.Jerry's death created a conundrum for both my partner and I. Why did he have to suffer so much? Then again, was his suffering a lesson he had chosen as a higher being, to learn from? Sounds cruel, but life and death are innately cruel - how else would we learn?Many people that come away dissatisfied with Abraham, are the people that want all the answers NOW. They are the ones that invested ALL their beliefs, feelings and intentions on being healed by Abraham. Well, it doesn't work that way, and then you get the people like the one that wrote the above article, which, by the way, never answered anything...just speculated on the reality of Abraham while sounding like a petulant child.Find a guide in life, but live by your own inner feelings. Trust yourself and don't give yourself to anyone's beliefs.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @Meccamaz: Wayne Dyer is a complicated issue for me. While I think he's sincere, he seems to have gotten a little crazy. I wrote a review of I Can See Clearly Now. The first 2/3 is great, inspirational stuff, based on real life experiences he shared. But then, he goes off his nut with irrational woo-woo. Part of it is Hay House and what they've persuaded him to do in endorsing their complete line of authors. (If you think Esther Hicks is a bad endorsement, be glad you didn't get hooked when he endorsed Gary Renard's book. Even Hay House doesn't promote that clown anymore.) Dyer seems willing to put his stamp on whoever Hay House throws at him. They do this with other authors they publish too, like Pam Grout whose otherwise excellent E-Squared is marred by pitches for other Hay House authors, including Esther Hicks.At one time, when he so frequently talked about intention, Wayne Dyer was someone I trusted completely. Then, about ten years ago, his life came unglued. Among other things, he started preaching religion, especially Catholicism, including some of the weirder faith-based claims. What brought this on specifically, I can't guess, but around that time, his third wife (after six children) dumped him for another man, he had a heart attack (after bragging about his perfect health for decades), and he pretty much announced his inspiring past and all the achievements that went with it.His credibility faltered for me, although his popularity remains high generally. As of this time, he is suffering from leukemia. Surprisingly, no one seemed to notice that his last PBS special was done while seated at all times. It's just my conclusion that something, maybe the divorce, so rocked his emotional underpinnings that he lost the ability to be objective about himself. He seemed to have lost confidence in everything about himself, except the ability to make money and be a rainmaker for others. Maybe he'll be able to do what he has done in the past and turn things around with some of his incredible ability to see through things. I doubt it though, and it's sad and frustrating that he'd decided to fritter away his later years, undermining all the great work he did in the decades before.

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      Meccamaz 3 years ago

      I've read some of your debunking of "Abraham" (Esther/Jerry Hicks) and find it interesting. A few years ago after a series of amazing synchronicities I chose to go to a show on Gold Coast Australia. On the day, things didn't go smoothly and I began to think "if I am meant to see this, it's not feeling good!" Nothing about the show was convincing to me. I decided this must have been a lesson in discernment for me. I also witnessed a lot of so called "spiritual" people pushing and shoving to buy merchandise (hay House stuff I think). Needless to say, I came away with much to think about. I DID buy a Wayne Dyer book and an Esther & Jerry Hicks book, both with intention in the title which I thought was interesting as it wasn't a deliberate decision to buy those. However intention turns out to be a hugely important theme for me. I noticed at the bottom of this page you suggest a book of Wayne Dyer's - "I Can See Clearly Now" which I HAVE read, as I have read quite a few of his books. Until now I have seen him as a teacher for me and I have learned much - HOWEVER, today I watched a Hay House World Summit 2014 video showing Wayne Dyer interviewing "Abraham". He seemed besotted, red in the face like he was anxious/excited about it all as he looked up at Esther, hanging on every word. Until now I saw him as an intelligent, thinking man..... but now I think he is just as human as any of us. I felt quite nauseous watching it and listening to it. I need to seriously regroup, I am thinking.

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, you lack the ability to respond to the question asked?What is it with you guys who want to reduce a rich life to some escapist simplicity? Get back in the boat with the rest of us. It's easier to get things done when everyone acts like a grownup and pulls together. Or will you continue to leave all the adult work to the rest of us who've made commitments?PS: In case you didn't get the message, there is nothing very promising or interesting about "the simple life." You've got a big, complex brain with trillions of synaptic connections. Use them.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      @anonymous: so you need a more complex way to live the simple life?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Way more than two cents, but thanks for your comments. I disagree with some of the conclusions you leap to, but that's not a requirement here. Thanks.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I just found this blog and read through the comments and wanted to add my .02I have been a student of metaphysics if you will for the past 20 yrs or so and have been practicing many of the teachings in my own life for most of that time. I can say with all certainty that there IS some truth to what "Abraham" talks about and Law of Attraction is very real. I've read or skimmed through most of the Abraham books and have also listened to many many workshop excerpts on YouTube. My biggest beef with Abraham is that everything is so simplified. Focus on what you want vs what you don't want. Reach for the better feeling thought. When you're in vibrational alignment with what you want, it will come to you. Well I'm sad to say that life can't be reduced to something that simple. I should add as a sidenote here that I am aware that all channelings will be colored by the personality of the channeler... so perhaps it's not Abraham that's too simple, but it's Esther and her own educational background, personality etc... that simplifies everything because of what she's capable of "translating". We all have limitations. For instance after a while I find the workshops boring to listen to because the answer to every questions ends up being the same and many times you'll notice she actually diverges from the original question to answer with the same ol' same ol' preaching which I find frustrating. Is this because Esther is avoiding translating the real message that Abraham is sending her via thought blocks or is it simply that Esther can't function outside of the Abraham box? Maybe her mind isn't keen enough to pass on more complex information? So the reason I find Abraham's teachings somewhat frustrating is that they superficialize everything. That's not to say that their teachings are BS though. I believe the gist of what they teach is valid. Why? Because I've read other channeled books by other authors and the essence of what they're teaching is all the same, they just use different terminology. For instance, I read Jane Roberts' Seth books and Sanaya Roman's books way before Abraham became a phenomenon. I find Sanaya's books to be an absolute delight. Whenever I read them I feel inspired, uplifted, more positive, and things make sense. The main reason I like her Guides' teachings better than Abraham's is because they actually explain WHY some things that you want don't come to you. It's not JUST about being in vibrational alignment. It's more complicated than that. As eternal beings, we reincarnate and come to each life with lessons to learn, experiences we choose to live, etc... some of the things we WANT may not be in our best interest and may interfere with our Higher Good or what we need to learn. Or the timing of what we want may not coincide with where we are in our personal/spiritual development in life so it is delayed. THAT makes a lot more sense to me than "well, you're not in vibrational alignment, so just keep reaching for a better feeling thought!" How frustrating is that? On the other hand if you know that it's because you're not READY to handle what that "thing/person/situation" will bring into your life or maybe something better is coming your way, then you can at least feel hopeful that everything happens for a good reason! (and it usually does even if you never find out why)I've manifested MANY MANY things in my life that are examples of LOA at work - however, not all of those situations in my life were manifested while I was in a state of joy, bliss and contentment!!! Far from it! In some cases, I was so determined to make it happen that I nearly went nuts. In other cases, I was feeling at the brink of defeat and I "gave up" (I believe the spiritual term is "surrendered"). And yes, in some cases I felt good but those seemed to be the lesser of the moments. Quantum physics is a very real thing. I have a lot of respect for Einstein and he's coming from the other side of the pond. We ARE energy and there is so much power that we can harness from the use of that energy (ie. our thoughts/beliefs) for good or bad, but for me anyway it goes much deeper than that. There's soul destiny or soul path or whatever you want to call it that factors into all of this and that KEY element is what Abraham seems to conveniently leave out. When I look back in retrospect to all my life's difficult moments and experiences, I can see how they all contributed to who I am today - and if I'd gotten what I wanted back then, it would have robbed me of the growth and wisdom these experiences have taught me. You don't grow when life is easy. You grow from obstacles and challenges thrown your way. So in summary... YES, I believe in LOA and the Universe (and us) being all vibrational beings capable of creating things on the physical plane (because I've done it so I know it works) BUT it's not as simple as Abraham puts it. If you read Sanaya's books, and books by Newton or other authors that discuss reincarnation, lessons and soul purpose, you'll get a much more comprehensive understanding of the Bigger Picture in my opinion. But that's just me. I would suggest to anyone who is a skeptic to look back in retrospect at their own lives and ask themselves questions such as "what was I thinking or doing in my life when I manifested such and such?" "Was that something that happened in my life something I have been wanting or not wanting?" What better way to validate (or invalidate) LOA than to use your own life as a benchmark? Don't automatically call someone a fake unless none of what they say resonates with your own life experience. Also, just as an FYI - Jerry was human like the rest of us. He had fears, anxieties, etc... he wasn't perfect. When he got sick, you can be sure that he had plenty of negative thoughts and fears swirling around in his mind and heart but he just didn't share them publicly. There are MANY stories of people who were diagnosed with terminal illnesses that recovered and the medical industry called them miracles. So the power of the mind DOES WORK but it all boils down to the owner of that mind and the strength of that person and possibly to whether that illness is meant to be overcome so that the person can change their lives accordingly. Maybe Jerry wasn't that strong or maybe he was just ready to go. We'll never know. But it doesn't mean that Abraham's teachings are BS because he died. Abraham couldn't heal Jerry. Only Jerry could heal Jerry IF he had what it took. Just my .02.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: voicesareyou, thanks for your unique perspective. Makes sense to me.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Well, I have heard voices for over 25 years and I can say with certainty that "whoever esther thinks she is talking to is NOT a enlightened entity. It is her. After all this time of hearing voices (many different ones) I can assure you that NOTHING comes through without your personal touch or opinions.She may believe that this guide is real but the voices come from her. It is called clairaudience the ability to hear actual thoughts from within your own conscious or subconscious. I have done a lot of research on this from a personal perspective and I think that telling people you are receiving truth from an enlightened being is not honest.I can easily do the same thing. What is the purpose of your life? To become the Christ. That is what my voice said. Besides, joy is a combination of love and life two main principles.Take all of this abraham stuff with a huge grain of salt. I can easily do the same thing. Why don't I? because it is not the truth. The difference is simple. If I tell you some thing then you analyze it and take all factors into account. Do I believe this guy? Is what he is saying truth? But with abraham the questioning seems to be absent. Since this is"an elightened being" why would he or they lie? So everything they or he says must be true.It is simply a bunch of feel good fluff. If it does help people find the truth then good for them and abraham but beware, do not leave common sense at the door. Use as much caution with this as with anything.Also spritual realizations or ah-ha moments are different, that IS truth. This is just like another person talking .Though the person may have understanding do not assume it is the truth.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Connoisseur of Abraham, you're wrong on inaccurate on so many counts, I can't respond to all of them. So, I'll select the worst, if you don't mind.You wrote: "Why do you want anything in life? Because you believe you will FEEL GOOD if you were to experience it. At the heart of everything we all do is the desire to experience A STATE OF BEING. The goal of EVERYTHING is a non-physical one." This argument is re-digested Esther Hicks. Do you seriously believe that people do things only to feel good? How simpleminded. But for the spiritually lazy, like you, it gets you off the hook. The claim that the EVERYTHING is non-physical is the type of thing people who hate life as it is have been screaming for years. Physical denial is puritanical and quasi-religious as well, in your case, of being not thought through.You also wrote: "Death is blissful: I'm not sure if you made this mistake on purpose, but they mean the waking up on the other side is always pleasant...ALWAYS....no matter how gruesome the "going to sleep" part looks to us on this side. The waking up on THAT side is always a pleasant thing. So pointing out the pregnant jumper doesn't hurt their argument even slightly. You just gave an example of a really bad-looking "going to sleep" moment .... We don't get to see the waking up moment - so we have to trust esther channeling abraham's words on that." There was no mistake. Esther is simply wrong, as mountains of evidence from NDE's and past life regressions have taught us. Some are blissful, some are not. It depends on a person's individual situation. Proposing that mothers with you children are going to be "blissful" on the other side is tone deaf and clearly stupid. Let's not forget that Esther also tells us that each death is a suicide, the time, place and method chosen by the person dying. Look, we all know that snake oil salespeople need to make outlandish claims to get attention. They get nowhere without it, but several hundred people chose to smash into the upper floors of the World Trade Center at the same time, including mothers with babies in their laps? It's sad enough that Esther preaches such cruelty, but it's even worse when we see that lazy people eat it up with a spoon.You wrote: "But you didn't get into Abraham from a research, testing, scientific standpoint. In fact you said you were just "swept up..." caught up in the hysteria around you. Sounds like you need to plant your feet in your own garden - you mention science - do some of your own and present your better ideas, if you find them." No, I didn't say that. My better ideas are presented in two books you can find in this article. Caution, though, I don't write for the spiritually lazy crowd Esther Hicks gathers into the cult. Once I got out of adolescence, I was aware that you have to work for things, including enlightenment, spiritual awareness and knowledge. Things don't just come to you because you do some wacky thing called "changing your vibrations." That borders on insane.You wrote: "I'll read your words with as much of an open mind as I read their words." I bet you don't, at least you've shown not signs of the capability so far. In the unlikely event that you do, try to stick to what's really written, not what you want to believe it says.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Don't discount those non physical aspects of reality: Faith, Desire, Confidence - they are the DRIVING FORCES that compel us to live. Why do you want anything in life? Because you believe you will FEEL GOOD if you were to experience it. At the heart of everything we all do is the desire to experience A STATE OF BEING. The goal of EVERYTHING is a non-physical one. And that's what Abraham focuses on: the nonphysical aspect of reality and how HUGE of a difference it makes, when you make changes at the CORE, rather than on the surface. Think of smashing larger and larger objects to get a big boom VERSUS going to the CORE OF THE ATOM - and making a NUCLEAR BOOM. You tried to say (in a different article) that Esther can "magically" single Jerry out of the Nonphysical group, but no one else. That's not true. They claim to have channeled many other people: Friends who recently died, a woman's son from a workshop who recently died, Napoleon Hill off the top of my head. How does a nonphysical entity smile? It's easy. They convey an idea to Esther of self-amusement. Esther interprets it, and expresses it without prejudice - like an open channel. It's rare to hear them laugh or smile big - but you always see that calm, cool, self-assured smirk on their person....on their Esther. Death is blissful: I'm not sure if you made this mistake on purpose, but they mean the waking up on the other side is always pleasant...ALWAYS....no matter how gruesome the "going to sleep" part looks to us on this side. The waking up on THAT side is always a pleasant thing. So pointing out the pregnant jumper doesn't hurt their argument even slightly. You just gave an example of a really bad-looking "going to sleep" moment .... We don't get to see the waking up moment - so we have to trust esther channeling abraham's words on that. And to get to that point of trust you listen to their other teachings and ideas about reality and life. You test them out in your own life. Are you saying that you tested this stuff out and found it to be untrue in your personal life? Share those stories. I would love to hear even 1.But you didn't get into Abraham from a research, testing, scientific standpoint. In fact you said you were just "swept up..." caught up in the hysteria around you. Sounds like you need to plant your feet in your own garden - you mention science - do some of your own and present your better ideas, if you find them.I'll read your words with as much of an open mind as I read their words. Good Luck.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I once read, "Seth Speaks." I was in my early twenties, and I too became a believer in their channeling stuff. Today, I've concluded that I don't have the answers to the many entertainments that people buy into. I just know that the many Hick's of the world are entertaining us, and people are indeed making loads of funny money with their stories... The bigger the lie, the more people will believe in the lie, and the more people will pay with their unnecessary labor to be entertained by any old fiction... Look at George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg, they made an entire career and boat loads of funny money by simply entertaining people with what people think is real, mainly aliens, and flying saucers... Orson Wells was another person who tapped into the the consciousness or lack thereof of the so called public through his radio show, War of The Worlds. People all throughout the Northeast thought we were all being invaded by aliens, because a voice coming from a radio told them that they were, and widespread panics broke out. This is a great example of how people can make a faith based buck telling elaborate lies to an ill-informed (not too bright public) who are highly gullible. Look, people will even go off to war and have their heads blown off for a fairy-tale. What does that tell you? The world may end because of the beliefs of a few insane individuals who will buy into any crap sold to them by crafty snake oil selling cons's that attempting to pull the wool over your eyes that are completely wide shut... WAKE-UP and don't be a typical American fool who'll consume garbage just to feel alive within the prison walls of their own dim witted and unimaginably insane no minds.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: And that's just it, isn't it Dave... People are quite fanatical about their various religious beliefs and or gurus, they hear what they want to hear and disregard the facts. What makes it all so insane is that these very same people will go to war for their beliefs. Again, I define Insanity as holding any belief or system that is NOT supported by FACT. Beliefs are fine if they are benign by nature fine, but we might be wise to accept that they're the root cause of most every conflict and or violent act. This is why it's so very important to know the facts as we distinguish them clearly from Walt Disneyland.... For me, it's ok to be entertained by the freak shows, whether it's the Hick's channeling Abraham show, the Jane Roberts Channeling the Seth show, the Khazar Zionist show, The Jesuit Show, and the fictional evening news show that is presented to us every night on TV... George Carlin once said, "When we're born into this world, we get a ticket to the freak show, and when we're born in the U.S. inc, we get a front row seat.""what is history, but a fable agreed upon?" - Napoleon Bonaparte

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for the suggestion, Starlight. I probably won't, and Esther Hicks' followers and supporters do a good job of promoting her already. But the main sticking point is that I started out in this niche with two or three pro-Abraham Hicks articles back on HubPages. Reader comments, especially Kyra's convinced me to look more closely. The thing that blew the lid way off, though, was when I heard her talking about death and how it was always delightful. Not only is this provably untrue, her presentation was insensitive to the point of cruelty. She openly mocked people who struggled with the death of loved one, chuckling about how she was "so disrespectful." It's one thing to question what many people believe about death, but saying things like, "It's always good to see the old ones go," is beyond decency. Together these things combined to convince me that, even if Esther were channeling some nonphysical beings, they were beings that people would be wise to avoid, worse than their physical counterparts because of their claims to special wisdom.I couldn't in good conscience write anything supporting Esther Hicks, even if some of what she says is helpful. There's too much other baggage. In this lens and others, I do recommend other sources, including my own published ideas, and I have several on this platform in lenses about Michael Newton, E. E. Cummings, Wavy Gravy, Eric Andersen and my own "Our Conscious Awareness," all of which are free for anyone to read and comment on.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I like how you point out flaws in Esther Hicks teaching and the Abraham hoax, I don't know what she's channeling or if she's channeling anything at all but I don't think its 100 non-physical teachers. I found it humorous that "Abraham Smiled" sort of clicked with you as proof of this hoax. Its funny what kind of solidifies things for us, you did a good job trying to explain why. Nevertheless, Esther still talks about things of value, leaving out her cold demeanor and bad advice, rehashed or not, you have said yourself there is some good there. Can you write a post separating the wheat from shaft? You have 15 crazy teaching, could you please write a post on 10 sound or positive teachings of E/A-Hicks? Even if they are old news and have been done before, things are always getting recycled, repackaged and presented. It would be a help tool for spiritual beginners while perusing E/A-Hicks stuff. You may also point out other teachers you think do a better job of expounding on the E/A-Hicks principles/theories you think are good, if possible. Much gratitude.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Legenden: Thanks, Legenden.

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      Legenden 4 years ago

      Great lens

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: It just gets harder to follow, Fernando, the closer and longer you look. It's not that all the ideas are bad. Some are very good. It's just that so little originated with Abraham Hicks and how many times Esther mangles an otherwise beneficial concept.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I have to say I've been following the Abe-Hicks teachings for years and at times I doubt of its veracity. One thing Abe has said many times is they're spewers of processes but besides the 22 processes from "Ask and it is given" they haven't given much more, maybe 5 more top. So I'm still waiting for them to spew some more...I have to admit I've seen inconsistencies, like we can eat whatever we want and then saying sugar is like poison...

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Doyle, your comments might be more effective if you actually knew the material you were referring to. The book is The Vortex: Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships, and it has next to nothing to do with sexuality. It's about the alleged "vortex" where "source" delivers all the things you want in life until you figure out how to allow them, a handy catchall excuse for the failure of the silly laws A-H has been pitching to the spiritually lazy for years.If you want balance, just make an intelligent comment with details of your alternative opinion. Here's a tip, though. Make a study of the subject before you bless us with your opinion. It'll make you more convincing. Your comment here is nothing more than preaching to the choir.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Um...hate to burst your bubble but I do believe there's a book about sexuality & relationships called The Vortex. Even though I appreciate someone being skeptical...this blog is definitely in need of some balance.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Don't worry, Arvind, most of us understand that some are eager to excuse Esther by ignoring the established facts. You say you've heard her mention sex, "if memory serves," but you have only one example in 25 years and a single quote. Abraham-Hicks pumps quotes out every day through email blasts, but I've never seen one. I have heard her mention sex myself, but it's rare. Her usual trip is about more abstract things like joy without any sexual connotations. She certainly used to mention cars a lot. My opinion is that Esther's appeal is to a puritanical section of the population that hates the world so much they refuse to accept the obvious reality. It's disguised as something sweet and uplifting, but so was Alice in Wonderland to children.As far as her ruminations on death, don't take my word for it. Read the quote. She said what she said with no apologies or conditions. In fact, I'll add to it. In the same sequence, she was challenged by a woman in the hot seat over her claim that all deaths, specifically 3,000 in one day at the World Trade Center, were voluntarily and, essentially, suicides. Weren't there any exceptions? "You're the only one," she mocked the woman, drawing laughter from he empathy averse audience.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This blog has so many misinterpretations, it makes fox news look reliable. For one: I've heard Esther talk about sexuality and sex, contrary to what you write. In fact, if my memory serves her words "If we were in your physical shoes, we would be having a lot of sex". Also, your passage that says Esther describes the death of the people in WTC as being "delightful" is so moronic. Esther describes the "passage" through dimensions as being delightful. Of course the moments that lead to death in our dimension can be frightful or peaceful, as spoken in the 1980 interview.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Faith is all there is...? Really? Facts and intuition have nothing to with it. Faith, to be honest, is a waste of time, a lazy spiritual shortcut. More amazing things have been discovered through research, meditations and observation that what all the channelers in the world have come up with. Faith is the excuse we use for clinging to things that are as likely to be true as untrue. Yes, if you "were to focus on facts and proof, the message would be lost." That's a good thing. That's why we have thinking brains designed to help understand the world around us. I've been enjoying my time in this thrilling world without following the teachings of Abraham or waiting for the Vortex to spit something out. I have always gotten everything I wanted. Always.Just to let you know, I've listened to many hours of recordings of Esther channeling Abraham. If you except what she says it is, it is pretty exciting. But you have to take so much ugly baggage with it, it isn't worth it. And who needs it, anyway? Yesterday, I tried to watch the whole first hour of Esther's workshop in Chicago on the 13th. I couldn't stand it after 20 minutes. All the rehashed "truth" she's sprouting for two decades is about as boring as anything allow in my life. Singularly dull, uninspiring, lacking insight, the whole package. Yes, you need faith stick with that stuff. It's the only thing that could keep you awake.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Having faith is all there is....Abraham spurs thought within me to look at life more broadly and deeply. I have made significant shifts in my view of life, my life, and how I live it. Through the process of listening to real people ask how the philosophy applies to their personal experiences I find great inspiration and it is always uplifting. I have sat in the "hot seat" and I'll tell you what mattered to me was how the words resonated for my personal experience. If I were to focus on facts and proof, the message would be lost. The reason that it sounds more like faith is because that is what it is. Lighten up a little, open your heart and listen. The worst thing that could happen is that you might like not what you hear....nothing bad will happen to you.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Her again, another Esther Hicks follower unable to support his (or her) claim with a single fact. It sounds more like faith to me, a cult-like religion of isolating beliefs.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      where it comes from is irrelevant to me, the information that comes from esther is spot on. my life has completely changed/improved :-)

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Flowerchild1946: Makes sense to me. Thanks.

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      Carol Brooks 4 years ago from Florida

      I very much enjoyed your lens and all the conversations that followed. I always question authority. Well, most of the time anyway. If something doesn't feel quite to me, I do some investigation and learn about it. Then I make my own decision. Sometimes I just allow myself to be uncertain about it until such time as I get a piece of information that satisfies me. I'm not comfortable at this point to answer the above question, so I'll just contemplate for a while.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, aren't you contradicting the method by taking Buddha as a Godlike model, instead of thinking independently as this story suggests?What really surprises me about people who go gaga for this particular Buddha (there are many more, you know) is that they are fawning over a man who impoverished his family by abandoning them without support to go off an gaze at his own navel. Can't we find truth without abandoning our obligations and those who depend on us? Sorry, I don't get it.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Buddha was gathered together with his disciples one morning, when a man came up to him:Does God exist? he asked.He does, replied Buddha. After lunch, another man came up to him.Does God exist? he asked.No, he doesnt, said Buddha. Later that afternoon, a third man asked the same question: Does God exist?Thats for you to decide, replied Buddha. As soon as the man had gone, one of his disciples remarked angrily:But thats absurd, Master! How can you possibly give such different answers to the same question? Because they are all different people, and each one of them will reach God by his own path.The first man will believe what I say.The second will do everything he can to prove me wrong.The third will only believe in what he is allowed to choose for himself.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Wendy- "What will be gained by raising the question as to whether or not Esther is a fake?"For you, not much, but there are others in the world who interested in really knowing what's going on, interested in facts, and growing as individuals by being able to consider things and make decisions base on as much information as they can get, not just one-sided advocacy. These people are known as grownups and responsible adults. I hope you get to know some of them. You can learn a lot from grownups and responsible adults.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Sam I feel exactly as you do. I can't read any more from stone. What will be gained by raising the question as to whether or not Esther is a fake? Esther is Esther and Abraham is Abraham. And they always get it right. Gotta vacate this page now. Sam, see you in the Vortex and thank you for your good vibrations.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sorry, read the Vortex, and it is not.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Read the Vortex. It's in there.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: CJsparkles, I wonder if you can be more specific about the words you claim I'm "trying to twist." Quotes are quotes and can't be twisted. If she said it, she said it.What exactly is it you think I don't "truly comprehend?"And Sam was pretty much all over the place, like you, in a little panic to defend his belief in Esther. Neither one of you seem able to complete a thought with a full paragraph if related information.It's not a surprise that Esther's messaged "clicked" for you. You're far from the first, and you enthusiasm at hearing it is not unlike what a lot of us once felt. There really is some good stuff in there, almost all of it taken from other sources, but forget the lack of originality. The core problem is that when some of us dug deeper, Esther and Jerry's presentation fell apart. Contradictions, a failure to understand basic science (She claimed that dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth at the same time, which was off by only a few bilion years.), and occasional cruelty showed us that no all-knowing source of wisdom could make so many mistakes. It's a good show, I agree, but a show it is and nothing more. In a few more years, I think you'll agree with me. Then, you'll be able to move on without unquestioning trust in gurus.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Your comments just show how little you truly comprehend what Abraham is trying to explain. Sam has got it exactly right, and articulated the reasons why very well for you. Your interpretation of what Esther is saying shows me that you haven't really HEARD what is so clearly conveyed to me. I've only been following Abraham and Esther for 2 years, but the messages clicked for me as soon as I started listening. They made sense on a very profound level. What you're trying to twist the words into is not only a very shallow interpretation, but an incorrect one.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Carl, interesting. I hadn't heard of John Starr Cooke, but what makes it more interesting and something you may not know is that Jerry Hicks admitted first foray into the "nonphysical" was on, guess what? A Ouija Board!No need to assume he was telling the truth, maybe just tipping his hand about some of the sources.Thanks, Carl. Come back again.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I just wandered into this, I had a vague notion of abraham from somewhere.....someone said something. But to the point, it makes sense to me that there would be no focus on sex if the message is coming from a nonphysical entity. Sex is a purely physical function. As fun as it may be, it comes under the heading of eating or sleeping. I just listened to a recording by Hick/Abraham and was intrigued by the similarity of language and message received by John Starr Cooke at a series of Ouija sessions in the 1960's where the group was addressed by an entity that identified as "We Are One".

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Zhana21: That does increase credibility. Good point. Thanks.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Zhana21: Interesting, Zhana21. Thanks.

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      Zhana 4 years ago

      One thing about Orin is that Sanaya Roman, who channels him, does not claim to be the only person to be able to do this. She teaches others to channel their own spiritual guides.

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      Zhana 4 years ago

      Very interesting article. I enjoy what I have read of Abraham Hicks, but I have only read a couple of their books. There are such things as non-physical entities - probably more of them than physical entities. For example, check out Orin and DaBen. I find their work highly inspiring. As for Esther Hicks, I can't say whether or not she is the genuine article. I think you have raised some important questions. I do agree with what Abraham has said about criminals - we turn people into criminals through our lack of trust (and by criminalising people in other ways). We make laws to control people's behaviour, rather than communicating with them. When we communicate from the heart, we can bring about a change in people's behaviour that benefits everybody. I have written about this in some of my lenses. It's not about lying down and letting people walk over us. We need to learn new, effective ways of communicating.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Best of luck, Miss Love. Things seem to be coming together for you. Please come back and let us know how things work out for you.Much love.DS

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Wow thank you for your informative response - I have found it healing, timely and interestingly strangely synchronistic. Firstly because early last year I went and saw Wayne Dyer at one of his workshops in Sydney Australia where this was the first time I was introduced to Anita Moorjani & her book Dying to Be Me was coming out. Wayne invited Anita on stage who talked compassionately from her heart about her NDE. I had no idea why it was I was listening to this woman talk about cancer and her life as I found it not applicable to my life at all, but thought okay I'm sure this will come in handy. Little did I know that 10 months later it was all very applicable. Although I have not read her book I purchased it and sent it to the mother of the 3 year old child I mentioned previously. This for a person who has very little belief (the mum) in anything was very healing at the time. I am yet to read it. During this whole time I have found AH thoughts and teachings on death rather uncomfortable. In fact I saw EH only a week prior to the little child's situation getting worse. Something just felt really strange.The second interesting point is that yesterday I was standing in the book section of some very large convenience store and I picked up the book Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife. I put it back without thinking...I am going to print out your previous comment and look up the authors you mention as I have not heard of all of them.Thank you for taking the time to respond to me...Miss Love

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Answering your last question first, Miss Love, the answer unfortunately seems to be "Yes." From what I've read and heard, real people with physical bodies are much more fully aware and clued in. The most insightful, though, are also enlightened by spiritual teachers and their own inner guidance.I agree with Anita Moorjani in her book, "Dying To Be Me," which I think you'd like, that we are all spiritual and that some are just more aware of that part of their nature than others. Moorjani had a spectacular near death experience from which she derived an inspiring set of beliefs about what physical life is all about.The difference with Jane Roberts (Seth), Sheila Gillette (Theo) and Esther Hicks is each's claim to have special insights from sources, although Esther's claim is far less credible based on what she's said than the other two. All of them would agree that you and I have the ability to learn from these sources as well, although only Gillette actively encourages individual spiritual awakening. Hicks, in my opinion, looks for dependence on her "teachings of Abraham," persistently marketing new revelations that are nothing of the kind when you attend the next workshop.I first turned to the A-H thing after a pair of traumatic deaths, and while I found much of the material inspiring, what Esther went on about with death was not just lacking in wisdom, but also lacking in empathy and generosity. Since, my own reading has led me to some really interesting and enlightening research by Michael Newton in past life regressions, Raymond Moody (the original NDE pioneer, along with Moorjani and Eban Alexander (Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife) who report in intimate, personal detail on their own experiences. Each has shown that Esther Hick's (or Abraham's, if you like) version of death is an inaccurate oversimplification of what really happens."Where to from here?" My suggestion is that you try any of the books I recommended earlier. Pick on the resonates with you, let your intuition be your guide. More important, I'd suggest you try establishing a meditation practice to cultivate you own inner resources. You can do this by simply sitting in a quiet place, closing your eyes and focusing on your breathing. What happens can be eye-opening. Alternatively, a lot of people like guided meditations, recordings they listen to as they meditate. By all means, avoid Jerry Hicks' clunky recordings. I like Ahnalira Koan's most recent ones. Can't think of the title, but you can find them by searching her name on Amazon where you can also find her books. Ahna is a former close associate of Esther and Jerry Hicks who is now more of a skeptic, but you are likely to find her insights into the 'law of attraction" phenomenon enlightening.Thanks for stopping by and commenting thoughtfully. I wish you the best of luck in your journeys! DS

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I don't know the answer to this question, but I have been so intrigued to read bits and pieces on your page and the comments also.I am not a student of AH (not really) but I have been to 2 workshops and read maybe 1 book, which I am attempting to read again. I feel the message overall has been good, although I haven't felt I have been learning anything new for a while. It does "sometimes" help me get into alignment, but lately while feeling a significant level of anxiety post a traumatic death of a 3 year old and other things I have found myself questioning. I know that there's always a negative side with any teaching and always someone there to disprove something that is. So I guess stumbling about this has been beneficial to me, but also inconvenient. Maybe I would rather go through life with rose coloured glasses for temporary relief. However I find it difficult because I am an activist of the human spirit and my core belief is that we are here to service the planet through shadow and light. I guess I would just like to learn more about this view not with the intention of disproving anything but getting answers as to other authors/teachers. Where to from here? I really haven't read any of Seth or Theo. I guess I find it bothers me to follow teachings that come with lack of integrity, but also I do acknowledge we are human so I try do so without judgment.Apologies for not addressing the question - I was just fascinated by the whole thread and was unsure how else to send a message. I guess I am looking for answers as how to move forward without the teachings or with them.You see I am easily influenced...even with this blog..Good question by the way. Can you give an answer to it?Miss Love

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, you're all worked up about a comment from over six weeks ago?Hill's comment was scripted very similarly with numerous others who jump in to justify Esther Hicks efforts with flimsy rationales. Hill asked what makes people happy in order to justify following Esther Hicks on that basis. But why would anyone need Abraham or Esther to be happy? What if ultimately it made them unhappy or, as some claim, sick or disabled? How can you make a one-sided claim without considering the other?It's a dead giveaway that you knew Hill was a "he." How would you know that?My response was a joke based on Hill's silly rationale that to disagree must mean the Abraham Hicks skeptic is "hateful." I've heard it all before; so, why argue? You're not listening, anyway.I am utterly bewildered as to where you got "Vortex vs. Sock puppets." I can't respond because it's just off the wall. But to help you understand, in case you don't know already, Jerry Hicks stayed up half the night during his last years, trolling for any negative comment on their operation and combating it with sock puppet responses. Sock puppets, for the uninitiated, are fake identities conjured up to provide stock replies that serve an agenda. I see lots of them on my posts.If what you see here doesn't convince you, just jump over to Amazon and look up Esther and Jerry's books. Check out the comments. Some are embarrassingly scripted and probably written by Jerry or someone recruited by him. Many commercial enterprises do that to skew the ratings in their favor. I don't blame Jerry for doing what everyone else was doing, but it does put the lie to their claims of not doing any marketing, just putting the books out there for those who are drawn to them.Good grief, indeed. Deliberate avoidance of the obvious is a very poor way to go through life and awakening. As I've said before, we all need more adults in the world. I hope both you and HIll will join us in try to support a better world and stop hiding behind hocus pocus.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hill asked a valuable question in the reply that you deflected before. He asked about what makes people happy. If "being real" whatever that means is what is at point here, I believe you when you say that being hateful doesn't get old. But it doesn't get you healthy either. It's not the answer to any of your real questions. It's an excuse. You know that you are better and smarter than that! You missed out on what might have been a meaningful conversation, if not for you... than maybe for him. Abe Hicks may not deserve the platform that she/they have, but how do you use yours? Vortex vs. Sock puppets? Good grief.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Okay, last shot for you. Here are quotes from your original posts where you cited Esther addressing sexuality: "...you are born with impulses that assure theconinuation of that which you are...." and "...your sexuality is important to the perpetuation of that which you are and thats why you were bornwith such a drive for it." Should we all pretend we don't know what that means, and do you really believe it has nothing to do with making babies?Finally, are you so desperate to score a point that you weigh views of videos with written articles? I have videos on YouTube that have a ton of views. It's a whole different thing. And Esther's videos, by the way, in case you haven't noticed are slickly edited and produced infomercials, there primarily to promote what they believe sells best and draw people into the web for future sales."It's fun to argue." You might want to try some personal introspection on that one. Most of us have better ways to spend our time.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave,The picture is called "beach bums" read it again. Yes, iT may inspire a healty heterosexual or homosexual "interest" in sexuality. The quote does not suggest anything to do with the continuation or propagation of the human species.Here's what it means: You are attractive in nature, you seek and produce desire. for instance the desire to make a point or respond to a lens is a symptom of your attractive nature. Finally the quote says that sexuality is source energy, cosmic or vibrational, which is what you are made of so you are becoming more of who and what you really are when you have sex. however, she does mention that it is most effective when you are purposely trying to align yourself with this idea.I'm not an Abe follower, I'm an agnostic, occaisional athiest and aspiring student of life, there for your last statement really resonates with me.I don'y "need" you to agree with me but it's fun to argue and to contribute an idea and clarification for what I percieve to be the benefit of someone else.By the way 9,500 total views? have you seen any of the Abraham Hicks videos? lord liftin, talk about views. phshh.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Gosh, I guess you got me there, Guest.Just kidding. I don't know where you got your figures, but let me help you with some facts. First, this lens currently gets over 100 views a day, 9,500 total to date, with the average reader spending more than six minutes on a page. There are comments almost every day, some angry, confused Abers like yourself and some who are happy read something clearheaded about Esther Hicks.I reply fairly quickly to all of them because Squidoo notifies me when they come in, and it's disrespectful to ignore them for long, even lame stuff like yours.Just to help you get oriented, you can read the quote you provided earlier and, if you read slowly, you'll find that she claims sex is motivated by a desire to continue the species. That means making babies. Frankly, I can think of other good reasons, starting with just plain fun, but Esther doesn't seem, from this quote, to get that. Hers is more like a conservative Christian philosophy dressed up to look smart of shallow people.And, by the way, I don't have any ability to change your "paragraphing." All I can do is accept of reject as is. So, the misspellings, jumbled thinking and run on sentences are all your own.Finally, I'm 64 years old with grandchildren, and I can tell you for a fact that those beach buns (not "bums") have a lot to do with sex, including inspiring a healthy heterosexual interest in it.There is no argument to lose. I made my case, lonely sort of pseudo intellectual that I am, and you were free to make yours. I think you did a poor job of arguing in behalf of Esther Hicks. If you were really a follower, you'd know that she suggests not "pushing against," instead just letting others have their opinions. But you aren't really and you can't because opinions that differ from your own make you feel threatened and insecure. So, you try to strike back.Listen, settle down and think it through. If you're strong in your beliefs, it doesn't matter what I think or write. What do you care? Especially, what's the big deal over winning an losing. Everyone in the world is not going to agree with you. Learn to live with it.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hahahaha. it's funny how stubborn you are for the benefit of no one. I like that you understand; "what you are" as being a baby, when there's no mention of babies at all. If you considered "what you are" as being Love energy and a force of nature you would get it, but through your resentment, spite and guilt you will continue to be a crying little baby ingnored forever. It's been two years since someone commented on this post and you were right there within three hours of my comment to reply with a lack of understanding and sarcasm. You even had time to change the paragraphing of it inorder to make it difficult to read. you must also be a lonely sort of pseudo intellectual. Don't discredit the quote by saying it is singular and obscure. It is an accurate summation from Abraham Hicks on the issue of "sex", It's just that her description of "sex" happens to exist beyond your undestanding of it.."sex" has nothing to do with two teenagers in a photo called "beach Bums". we'll tell you what "sex" is when you're older. You have lost the argument because you have lost the audience. Take care.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What?So, you found a single reference to sex on an obscure video, and that reference says our sex drives are there for making babies only? Some racy stuff you found there. Wow! I'm sweating already.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave Stone,"everything about you is attractive in nature, in other words, because you are eternal.so as you come forth in this time space reality you are born with impulses that assure theconinuation of that which you are...the entire universe is established inorder to produce continuing desiresexuality in its purest form is what source energy really is, in other words there is\no difference in the energy you call sexuality and in the energy which you call the pure essense of what you are... your sexuality is important to the perpetuation of that which you are and thats why you were bornwith such a drive for it." -Esther Hicks (Abraham) from the DVD "the secret behind the secret."Ps. Congratulations on discovering a way in order to allow Abraham Hicks to benefit you.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Yes, they are always monitored, Kathy. We have to look out for spam and other forms of abuse that would be agains the TOS and get Squidoo in trouble with Google. Apart from that, a lot of Abers (like you, for example) are angry and get carried away. If they get too far off topic, I clip them as wastes of space. Also, your opinions of me personally are not relevant to the topic, and frankly, I couldn't care less.If you do check back later, see if you can stick with the topic in your answers. If not, you'll be wasting your time. If you've got something relevant to say, fire away. Add to the conversation.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What was the question again, Kathy. (Look above.) Could you try to answer that one before telling me how I'm not nice, etc.? Thanks.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: My posts are not showing. Are you revieweing them before thy are allowed on yoru site??? I will check back later to see what kind of marketing scheme you really have going on here Dave. best luck to you.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: You are not nice and too aggressive to simple comments here on your blog against Abraham Hicks. You seem to be selling your own ideas which...no thank you!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: saidi, if you can't understand the difference between "it's convenient to say 'you always hear what you want to hear,' the fact is that it's simply not true." and "you heard what you wanted to hear," you need to clear up your thinking.The first is a response to what Alex wrote, questioning the assertion that you "always" hear anything in such an absolute way, and the second is a response to Mark that, imo, he chose to hear what he wanted to hear. Disagreeing with a universal claim is quite different from looking at a specific instance. Get it?Please get back to me with any other errors you think you find, but please, for your own good, apply the same critical eye to Esther and Jerry Hicks, on recording and in print. You'll have a field day.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, I think either you have a tremendous sense of humor or you are struggling with selective amnesia. Listen to this: "Two things you need to understand. First, although it's convenient to say "you always hear what you want to hear," the fact is that it's simply not true." Guess who said this? DaveStone23, on 23Mar 31, 2013 @ 10:36 am, in response to just Alex. Then listen to this: "Mark, you may have listened closely, but you heard what you wanted to hear." Yes, DaveStone23, above in response to Mark. Are you for real??

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Just a note for reference. A-H YouTube videos are produced and edited by professionals paid by Abraham Hicks Publications. They are infomercials designed to draw people to the so-called workshops, which - as I'm sure you know - cost a lot more than $5. TV commercials are free too, but we don't credit the businesses that supply them generally for their value.I'm not aware of anyone who has accused Jerry or Esther Hicks of plagiarizing anything, other than the phony claim about originating the term "law of attraction." Their trademark claim for it was rejected because the term had been in use continuously for around a hundred years, since its origination in the New Thought Movement. That's what lead to the new term "vortex of attraction," once so clunky it's impossible anybody had tried lugging that dog around before.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Overall, A/H's comments have been consistently positive and helpful. Like philosophy books I read in college, some things that are said could be easily misinterpreted. As Louise Hay (and any other NON-con artist would tell you), if you gain just ONE good thing from listening, that is wonderful. Period. If they were con-artists/only after $, they'd be PRETTY lousy at it considering the THOUSANDS of hours of FREE footage on youtube they allow. If you listen, much of it is thought-provoking and wise. Personally, I don't care "how" this information is obtained. Furthermore, you could acknowledge that, at the very least, it is NOT plagiarized. Enjoy!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sam, I do appreciate an Aber who makes a better than average attempt at being rational. Thank you. Now, let's take your points one at a time.1. You say I'm jaded, and they must have hurt my feelings. I'm not, and they didn't. But how would either condition change the facts. My personal experience is irrelevant as are my motives. Any flaw in my character or experience doesn't excuse Esther and Jerry's behavior or change it in any way. Now, to the mistakes you claim I made.2. You respond to something other than what I wrote on Death. Although Esther does claim that everyone, "no exceptions," sets the conditions of his or her own death, what I think is cruel is Estherham's insistance in the face of doubters just days after the World Trade Center disaster, that death itself was "delightful," that after dying there was no remorse of any kind about leaving loved ones, dependents and others behind, just delight. All relationships were so meaningless, they were easily discarded. Now, add to that her insistance in the same "workshop" that all deaths are suicides... In any event, mountains of actual evidence (not so-called channeled wisdom) gathered from NDEs and past life regressions have proved Esther's claim to be untrue and, hence, cruelly exploitive.3. On sex, a single, one word comment that you find witty and believe the audience was uncomfortable with is hardly a case for claiming that Estherham is plugged into the nature of being human. True, Esther and Jerry's romance started with their trysting in motels while Esther was still living with her first husband and daughter and Jerry was engaged to wife to be #5, but that was as much a tribute to their mutual lack of personal integrity as it was to their insight into human nature. It never made its way into the books and workshops, however.4. "On Joy/Selfishness/Helping..." I don't follow how the case you are making argues against their pitch for selfishness and narcissism. You can't quote anything about helping others, because there isn't anything. Estherham claims that, if you are following your bliss, you may be better able to help others by example, but she never recommends, say, nursing or elder care or any sacrifice to help out those unable to help themselves.5. Your attack on Deepak Chopra. I've never seen the show you referenced, not am I interested in it, but what makes you think Chopra is opposed to anger or passion, even in himself? I've read several of his books, and I've never seen it. More important, he is willing to openly debate his ideas in public, something Esther never has nor ever will do.By contrast, you say that Eshterham is "always calm, confident & playful," which is completely untrue. If you read my "Esther Hicks Mean Streak," you'll find documented the detail of a series of workshops in which she brusquely and thoughtlessly threw a series of people out of the hot seat (after she called them up for it), some despite pleas after they'd said only a word or two that irked her. It was discussed on the Abe Forum, by the way, and those who were uncomfortable with the mean approach were quickly dismissed by the excuse-makers. She dropped that when there were so many complaints, and it finally came off as a sort of test marketing stunt. There have been plenty of other instances where she has been less than "calm, confident & playful," which makes it hard to believe you've missed them over ten years of "closely" following.Whether or not Esther and Jerry are as consistent or clear as the others you mention is really a matter of personal preference, and you're welcome to yours. And by the way, since Jerry wrote all the books, not Esther or Abraham in collaboration as they claim, you won't see any more to compare. Did you notice how all the books stopped when Jerry died? Isn't that funny?You did better than most, Sam, at defending your guru. But you still lack objective perspective and failed to back up any of your claims with confirmable quotes. It's back to seeing and believing what you want things to be, rather than toughening up to the facts and a rational perspective, none of which should be of any harm to your belief systems, if they are valid.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I've been following them closely for a decade. You made some mistakes, and it sounds like they hurt your feelings. You sound jaded. On Death: They say DEATH itself (the transition) is delightful - not the agony that goes with SOME PEOPE when they are "about to die" or "dying." So no matter how awful it looks as the pregnant mother goes, once she transitions - you just open your "new" eyes with your new perspective. On Sex: They DO make a witty comment. Someone in the hot seat asked: What would you be doing if you were physical? And jokingly they said: "Sexxxxxx" and really let it hang in the air and people laughed but you could tell that sex talk wasn't very comfortable FOR THE AUDIENCE, not abraham.On Joy/Selfishness/Helping others: You assert that they teach selfish joy - to forget about everyone else. Nothing could be more incorrect. They say #1 follow your bliss - it leads to your dreams. They also say one of the inherent qualities of all people is that we are NATURAL UPLIFTERS. It's in our blood to EMPOWER people. But they advise: Get feeling good FIRST (so you're headed in the right direction) THEN take your action. Have you ever been frustrated and you kept taking action - and you stubbed your toe? Or felt ELATED, took action, tried something new and it TOTALLY PAID OFF? It's not coincidence. It's a law of nature...like gravity.You just seem misinformed and I can answer any and all questions you have. brenb22 at yahoo if you're actually interested in learning, rather than panning them just to do it. Oh - and you recommend Deepak over Abraham? Watch Deepak get caught up in an angry moment on Larry King debating the bible or on the atheist panels. It's hard for him to follow his own teachings - just as it is for any NORMAL person. Then watch Abraham deal with problematic guests in their shows - or listen to them with Oprah on her radio show - it's always calm, confident, & playful. Consistent energy like i've never seen before. I read Tony Robbins, Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer (who visits and seeks counsel from Abraham), Ekhart Tolle and others - none of them are as consistent and consistently CLEAR as Abraham. All of your negative points are misunderstandings. Are you open to changing your perspective?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're good at rationalizing to get to the conclusion you want, but as usual, no evidence, just a guess that makes excuses for Esther.Also, more significantly, many people, including me, would take issue with your calling Jerry Hicks "creepy" or that there is something wrong with working for Amway. The skills he honed at Amway may be inappropriate the way he used them to conjure Abraham and his teachings, but Amway is a legitimate, successful concern that has a right to use any legal motivational technique it finds useful.Jerry Hicks had a lot of good to go with a lot of con in him. He may have trained Esther, but without her will to carry on with the Abraham shtick, it couldn't happen. Jerry was bit controlling, but what Esther did and does is and was entirely of her own free will.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Are "nonphysical beings" without a compass in a world with so much sex?Or is it just Esther and Jerry?In a word: No. But, "direction" is an imprecise word which implies "nonphysical beings" are going somewhere. Perhaps just eyes. Are "nonphysical beings" blind to a world with so much sex? That is a more contextual question. Of course not, but there's plenty of others talking about sex--why bring it up? Go watch TV if that's what you're looking for. Look, I think Esther (yes, I spelled it right, don't want to get yelled at here...) had the ability to channel this so-called Abraham, and did so, and her husband--being the creepy guy he is--decided he wanted to make money off his wife's gift. The guy was in Amway, for god's sake, it doesn't get much worse, and it takes a special kind of creep to succeed at that. Then, as time rolled on, the "Abrahams" moved on, because Esther's ego began to block her ability to hear. Maybe she started to believe she was better than others, that her gift of mediumship made her more important than her audience. After that, the money machine was moving and the messages became repetitive and derivative, because she was no longer channeling, just regurgitating. Maybe, maybe not. She's only human. Just because she channels does not mean she's particularly enlightened, because the two are not mutually inclusive. It does not change that she might have truly been able to channel higher beings. What she does with it, well, if some of the message gets out, then the Abrahams will have gotten through to a few people.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: It's nice that it works for you, just Alex. Two things you need to understand. First, although it's convenient to say "you always hear what you want to hear," the fact is that it's simply not true. A lot of us want to see as much as we can, and we try to see all sides, good, bad, dull, ugly, beautiful, everything. Only lazy people hear and see what they want. So, don't kid yourself on that one. There may be more good than bad to Esther and Abraham, but maybe there isn't.Second, there are more choices then Joy and happiness or depression and anger. What about feeling fulfilled by understanding a deeper essence of things? What about the gratification of helping others reach their goals. If your only goal in life, as Esther claims, is joy, you're missing out on a great deal more and wasting the short time you have on earth by focusing only on the simplest of pleasures and neglect a more profound enrichment.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Like Abraham said, "There are always people who discredit and bring a scam called" So if you're listening to them you will always hear what you want to hear. It's just what you focus on places. It depends on what you want to believe and that is the teaching of Abraham and make your life full of Joy and happiness. That makes it a lot easier than depression and anger. It has given me a much better life when I finally came across them. If it still is a scam I have had much and thank them from the bottom of my heart. I'm skeptical by nature and have the few hundred hours of video no strange things seen and she knows every time the finger on the sore spot to lay. So I want to say thank you thank you thank you for everything Abraham

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: So, one instance almost three years ago is your evidence? I've listened to hours of Esther as Abraham and read several of the books. I also did a search on their website. Even in the rare instance where sex gets mentioned, it's sanitized.The reason this happens, Mark, is because, like many popular religions, Esther's theology is about denial of our human natures. We are supposed to be fulfilled by a "happy, happy, happy" intention and forget all about the complex and rich human experience that has more depth and texture. That's a sort of bright-eyed Puritanism and self-denial in large part of what it means to be human and alive. And here's the real kicker, what this gives you is an elevated escape hatch. You think you're special, but you're just staying out of the game.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Mark, you may have listened closely, but you heard what you wanted to hear. The inconsistencies and contradictions have been documented here and elsewhere.But if you're happy with this guru, as most religious followers are, you will gloss over the problem areas as so many do because being without the person who helps them identify themselves is not anything they can handle.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I just posted something else...but if I can't post a video...I can tell you that abraham was telling me about being in the Vortex and said that I could be thinking about sex or even having sex and find myself in the vortex. It was a Philadelphia seminar from May 2010. Again...I really don't care either way who follows who or who believes I what. I just wanted to at least shine a tiny light on what seemed to me to be an incorrect assertion.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I was fortunate enough to have been in the hot seat at one of Abraham's seminars. I don't want to sell anyone on "them" cause it doesn't matter to me either way who believes in what. I did want to say that Abraham mentioned sex to me 2 or 3 times during the course of our talk. I just wanted to mention that as a counter to the sexless Puritan assertions above. I have also heard Abraham address difficult subjects like abortion, drug abuse, suicide, infidelity, masturbation, war, and so many others with enormous grace and wisdom. I have a huge amount of skepticism by my very nature and I must confess that virtually every message I have heard from Abraham feels 100% spot on. I have listened closely waiting for a stumble, or inconsistency, or contradiction. So either Esther is a wicked genius or there really is something going on here.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Uh, Bryan, you didn't answer the question either. Look up at the top and see what it asks. Do your best not to deliver your preformed agenda to the wrong address, if you can.By the way, you haven't the slightest idea what "fraud" means. An freely given opinion that's open to discussion and criticism isn't fraud, even if you disagree. You might note that there is no such discussion at Abraham Hicks "workshops" or on their "forum." It's all controlled, and a good number of us are banned from joining in because differing opinions are banned.Another thing to keep in mind is that you are free to express your own set of opinions here or on another webpage. The internet is in many ways a giant forum for expression and opinions. In my experience, the only people who complain, like you, are people who just don't like it when others make convincing arguments that differ from their own.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      It is funny that you berate commenters who don't agree with you for not "answering the question". I am not convinced of the authenticity of the "channeling" nor am I sure it's faked. Watched the interview and didn't find any evidence of Jerry being a control freak or Esther being scatterbrained as you asserted. I conclude your argument has as many holes in it as does the dog and pony show that the A-H team is putting on. Guess everyone is willing to perpetrate fraud to make a buck. BTW not many of the commenters who agree with your opinion "answered the question" either smartalec.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Your Mom is right about most things, Tess. Why add in the creepy alien thing? Well, who would pay $195 a session to listen to her without that quirk?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Everything in moderation, thats what my Mom always said. I have a hard time believing that the "non-physical entity" is directing anyone. Its common sense advice presented in a way that is understandable, why add in the creepy alien thingy?

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Donald. And it wasn't just that. In one live session, she claimed to "speak for" Jesus, Buddha and Seth. She seemed to be trying to get on top of all of them without any of the effort, personal sacrifice or wisdom. If that wasn't weird enough to send followers running for shelter, it's unlikely anything else will be.I appreciate your thoughtful comment.

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    You Ain't Nothin' Until You Die, Kid

    "... this flimsy temporary you-in-this-physical-body-personality that you know as you..."

    That's how Esther dismisses the physical beings that we are.

    The nonphysical part of you, whatever that is, is the part of you that knows your power, knows your worthiness. This is the part of you that is eager about life. This is the life part of you. This is the Source part of you. This is the God part of you.

    She goes on to add, Law of Attraction is powerfully responding to THIS you.

    Forget the obvious contradiction... Didn't see it?

    Law of Attraction is supposed to respond to everything, but now she claims it responds only to the nonphysical you, the part that isn't the you know who...

    Well, untangle her logic at your leisure, if you're still willing.

    Back the other implication - that is, our physical selves are flimsy, not important, flabby and dull.

    They used to say we were spiritual beings here to have physical experience.

    Apparently, apart from raking in cash and adulation, there isn't much else.

    This begs the question of course that, if our nonphysical selves are so superior and powerful, why would we bother with that flimsy physical one?

    When I was twenty, I wrote this verse: "I will have more fun with my body than you will with yours because I am not looking for God with it."

    I'm stickin' with that.

    The Wisdom of Eric Idle

    This is the reverse of what Esther teaches through the guise of Abraham.

    In Eric's view, life is the whole tamale. In hers, it's an interlude in which we miss out on the real joys of existence.

    Here is how she describes it:

    "...'death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

    As Abraham-Hicks followers know, another teaching is that everyone goes voluntarily, as a choice, a virtual suicide. This is probably the most painful assertion thrown at the faithful.

    They are told to believe that their loved ones left willingly and were delighted at doing so.

    Esther even makes a practice of calling death "croaking" and giggles about being "so disrespectful, because there is no death."

    Whoa!

    My cousin, Johnny, was hit by a car when he was only seven years old, barely kicking into first gear. No point in the grisly details, but the fact is that he was excited about his mom being home from a time away, went to tell a friend, riding a bike with controls he'd never used and coasted straight in front of a driver that never saw him coming.

    Johnny was probably dead before the ambulance came.

    Now, Esther wants us to believe that seven-year-old Johnny made a decision to die, disregarding what that means to a family that loved him.

    And my aunt, Johnny's mother - she should understand that it was delightful to be ripped out of his human shell and into a divine afterlife.

    Sorrow and grief are to be mocked in the world of Abraham Hicks.

    It just shows that you have not gotten over the death thing.

    Your life is flimsy to start with. You aren't losing anything much.

    Cheer up, you old bugger!

    Esther Hicks Couldn't Be Faking Abraham Hicks. - Or could she?

    A recent online commentator said that, if Esther was faking, she should win the Academy Award.

    Another wanted to nominate her for "the Nobel Prize."

    While not specific on which Nobel Prize, the commentator added: "I'm not kidding."

    What's your opinion? Is she faking?

    Of course, she is. No one wise would make so many errors and contradictions.

    Of course, she is. No one wise would make so many errors and contradictions.

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      • anonymous 3 years ago

        Yes possibly .. it seems to me channeling would be a little harder than talking so effortlessly, but how can I be sure ? Well, if being in the vortex equals being able to channel and being HONEST means access to the vortex and she is bending the truth to make it seem more interresting, that must mean she is lying about something, my intuition came up with this logic

      • David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

        @Kapalbility: You're right, Kapalbility, but it's about as original as June weddings. In the Sixties, we just used to call it "going with the flow." And nobody was expect to pay for it.

      • Kapalbility 4 years ago

        Faking indeed. But you have to admit some of the teachings like feeling good and less resistance are good teachings. Still, the way these are delivered is quite unconvincingly ridiculous.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        The law of attraction is absolute it is universal that means it is everywhere and it is eternal that means it is forever. You will attract evidence to support what you want to believe. That is the law.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        the people who listen to her are to be blamed --- hunger to the unknown in the west makes such lies acceptable and respected

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        All channelers get an initial true message, like many of us, simple and brief.. But it is a shame to run it into the ground for profits sake. 20+ years worth of it, always ends in tears. It all comes out in the wash, no matter the sustained skill.

      • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        The only thing I'd disagree with, Strega is the term "seemingly profound." In the early days maybe, but after some years and plenty of time contradict themselves and make in course corrections to keep from getting stale, they just sound confused, narcissistic and juvenile.

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Ester Hicks, aka Abraham, is a master at double-talk. Her seemingly profound statements and twisted logic are nothing but circular garbage.

      • anonymous 6 years ago

        Esther is definitely a fake. As so many of these false gurus, using pieces of truth mixed in. She is inconsistent and neither looks nor sounds genuine. There are pictures of her where she looks as if she is falling apart at the seams, and pictures of Jerry where he looks absolutely awful inside and out. They have a lucrative scam, but it looks like the devils are betraying her, as devils do, and she is starting to lose it with her customers and abuse them.

      No, she isn't, mush for brains, it would be too hard to fake for all these years and still be convincing.

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        • David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Funny, Andy, but since she claims to be channeling Abraham, this means the great masters of the universe dont know the simplest math. She makes plenty of errors. Some are not as obvious as this one.Thanks.

        • anonymous 3 years ago

          I don't know, but she can't do math.... she once said 6'000 was 40% of 20'000 (Art of allowing, dvd 2 of 15)

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          I find this thread very interesting and entertaining and i believe we are all entitled to our own opinions. We all have our own lives to lead and it doesn't matter what other people say, as long as we are happy. I have been learning these teachings for 4 years. They have PROFOUNDLY changed my life for the better, i have NO DOUBT of the authenticity of these teachings. I am always using these teachings every day and they WORK. It doesn't bother me the slightest that they are PROFITING from this. SO WHAT, why shouldn't they receive fortunes for making people's lives better and adding value. Do you Dave Stone not receive money for promoting their book's on this thread ? and why shouldn't you. People will always doubt everything that's ever been, it's human nature and everyone will never agree on the same thing. That's just how life is and all i know is that my life has become AMAZING since following these teachings.

        • anonymous 4 years ago

          Abraham is much like the I-Ching... one can rescue plenty of life-lessons from what he/she/they bring... But there are several inconsistencies one must decide whether they apply or not to ones life experiences.We can all channel our higher mind, and I know I've heard Esther say that at times there's much of HER in what ABRAHAM is trying to say... the key here is to not fall into fanaticism or form a cult out of all this, and take everything with a grain of salt.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          Esther is about as real as it gets I have read books on Deepak Chopra , Eckhart tolle, Richard Causton ( the Buddha in the mirror) Edgar Cayce , Wayne Dyer as a matter of fact was once on the hotseat in one of the Abraham /Hicks seminars asking very profound questions all of these authors have different paths but lead to the same truth and as a Buddhist with an open heart and open mind I know not just believe we are all connected and Esther/Abraham teach about Vibration/Energy which is what we are ! we are Vibration ! check out Solfeggio Peggio, Binurial Beats , Experiments with plants related to vibration its simply divine :)

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: If you've really listened to Abraham for over 10 years, as you claim, it's a surprise that you missed the fact the Esther/Abraham without hesitation claimed that Jesus was part of the Abraham group. It's not a secret. She/they did, whether you like it or not. It's on the record.I couldn't care less about "Raj." Our topic here is Ester and Abraham. Stick with it, if you can.Similarly, if you haven't heard Abraham/Esther ask for money, you've never visited their website, which is awash with appeals for you cash. Blindness is no virtue, but if you chose not to see, it's even worse.There are a lot, although not the thousands you claim, of YouTube videos. These are professionally produced infomercial Esther and Jerry paid producers to create for them. The commercials you watch on TV are also free, but just as with AHP, there only reason for being is to draw you to the advertiser's product.Wake up. I realize Esther, with good reason, suggests that you should not look at reality head on. It's still a worthwhile thing to do, if you ever want to think for yourself, instead of falling for the easy answers of Abraham-Hicks.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I've been listening to Abraham for over 10 years, it's uplifting and positive and teaches people to look for the good in things, and be happy. I've never heard anything that says the group of non physical beings she connects with is Jesus. But, that sounds good if you want to make someone appear nutty. If you want to look at someone who channels "Jesus"- who uses the name Raj, and posts on their discusion board asking that more and more money be sent to support the person channellin him (Paul Tuttle) check that out. Northwest Foundation for A Course in Miracles (NWFFACIM) I've never heard Abraham/Esther Hicks ever ask anyone for money. If people don't like it they don't have to pay to go to the workshops, or buy the materials. There are thousands of audio/video clips put up on YouTube, free for the listening. Maybe if people who think it's fake listened to some of them they could come to their own conclusions.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          so many people discuss if abraham is real or fake....but:the most important thing is that the facts abraham says are absolutely true and since i listend to it and worked on it I AM MUCH HAPPIER AND IN CONTROL OF MY LIFE.there would not be a differents for me if esther would just pretending.....so what- than she is wise ;).......thanks for all this !!!

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I'd consider it one more interesting experience from which I learned. I love life, all of it. I'm not looking for pearls or a rescue. I like it the way it is, a compelling adventure in personal expansion.

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: For every one of you insisting the Abraham Hicks is not a fake, there are others who say it is, including a few who once worked closely with Esther and Jerry and now look back with regret over wasting their time and/or getting burned (usually financially) when Jerry broke promises made and Esther wouldn't stand up to him. You may think I've missed the entire point, but the reality is that you have not even come close to seeing it."...the knowledge they offer..." is in every instance borrowed from others like Seth and Theo. If you're willing to make a little effort, instead of leaping for the simplest and easy to grasp, you can get a lot more from people like Deepak Chopra and Ahnalira Koan, and you can get all this and more without wading through hype and disinformation.What Esther and Jerry present, on stage and in books, is neither rare nor amazing. It isn't even original. Why do you think they were turned down when they tried to trademark "law of attraction?" Because it's been around for decades, even though they repeatedly palmed it off to followers as an Abraham original.Look at it this way, if what Esther and Jerry came up with was real, would they have had to concoct the fantastic story of how it happened and rewrite their own autobiographies to erase embarrassing details?In any event, if you're doing so well with this and feel really good and true with it, congratulations. You found your teacher. Don't assume that makes it genuine or ultimate truth. It isn't.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          If you dive into the Ocean for pearls..and you come up empty..do you blame the Ocean?

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I have been listening and studying these teachings for 6 yrs. I would have spotted it as a fake by now. Each time I listen to a CD or read a book, it FEELS good. FEELS...that's the key word. Not only that but it makes sense. It fits, its logical. Not one time, I mean ONE time have I ever felt decieved, sold, or felt like this was a cult or religion. I have been down many "spiritual" paths and these teachings ring true for me through and through. So who is Abraham? they are you and me, him and her...maybe my friends whom have re-emerged and/or people I know and love whom Ive known and loved for eons...who knows..who cares? does it matter who they are? or is the point the knowledge they offer. We are given a rare and amazing opportunity to see into the big picture..why resist?I think you have missed the entire point.

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It matters. Responsible adults expect to have an honest set of facts available in making decisions. Others, who prefer to be led and not be bothered into thinking or analyzing anything, could care less. So, yes, it's a choice between growing up and staying a voluntary dependent for life.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          Does it matter? After all it's your choice. ;) Abraham<3

        • David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Agreed, Esther has generally been consistent, except of the point of the rewards she promises. At one time, she proclaimed that you'd get what you thought about, whether you wanted it or not. Then, when this didn't really happen, she and Jerry invented the "art of allowing," making it your fault if you didn't get what you wanted. This evolved over the years to the Vortex, which rationalizes that, yes, you get everything you ask for but only when the time is ripe. If the prophecies don't work out, it's just not time yet and, maybe, "you're not letting it in." The preaching couldn't be wrong. It's the parishioners in the church of Abraham. In the end, like any religion, a matter of faith and often irrational and provably wrong.The evidence for her faking has more to do with statements she's come up with that are clearly inaccurate and demonstrate that "Abraham" is approximately as poorly educated in scientific subjects as Esther and prone to narcissism and a lack of empathy.That she "makes the world a better place" is open to discussion, to say the least, and yes, it does matter. Truth still has value, no matter the result of dishonesty."WE," meaning the world population as a while has been improving the world and life in it consistently for tens of thousands of years before Esther plopped down on stage and will for many more after she's gone. Evolution provides for that, whether you disagree with evolutionary theory, as Esther does, or not. (Actually, she, like most, doesn't understand the theory and lacks perspective and insight on history.)The world awaits my input? I doubt it. The world will be affected by you, me and Esther and how we live our lives, which is the main sadness of what happens with her followers. Like religious fanatics everywhere, you pull back into fantastic untruths and do not participate fully with the rest of us. That's too bad. Your value is missed.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I've found her to be consistent in the general advice given over the many years I've been following. I say she is not faking it. If it makes you happy, makes the world a better place, does it matter anyway? Can WE do any better to improve the world and bring understanding? If so go ahead. The world awaits your input.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          I notice that the comments below are quite consistent. I wonder were these comments from the writer himself.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          The fact that I've followed the advice given in the Abraham Hicks videos to complete success every time implies that there's at least some truth behind what she says. I personally choose not to give as much weight to the idea of "Abraham" being some entity "channeled" by Hicks, but if I listen to the words I can hear truth. I've compared what Hicks says and the principles behind the teachings with spirituality, religion and prayer and can draw a great many number of parallels. Setting aside the labels of "Abraham", "Esther" or "Jerry", I take on the advice and get great results in my own life.I disagree with either of these "sides" that I'm being offered to choose from as the "side" that agrees with the teachings is not the true reason I would support them. See above.

        • anonymous 5 years ago

          Only one way to find out.

        Criminals, Anyone?

        Do laws create criminals as Esther Hicks claims or were there dangers present before the laws were passed to protect us?

        What do you think?

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            David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

            IMO, Robert, you've beat the game. If it feels good, great. Best of luck in your journey.

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            Robert 2 years ago

            I've been listening to Esther for about four years. I like the sound of her voice, and her delivery when she's portraying Abraham. Some of her "teachings" are good, I think; some aren't. As with any faith, you really do have to sort of cherry pick. I find a lot, if not most of the stuff I hear uplifting.

            However, I never really bought into the Abraham stuff. I've listened and listened, waiting for her to mess up and say "I" instead of "we", and the other day I heard it on one of the YouTube clips. She tells the guy in the "hot seat" "I'm trying to think of the right word..." I laughed when I heard that. She's human and she's bound to slip up once in a while. Funny thing is, her followers don't hear that or seem to want to acknowledge it. It's okay, though. Some of what she's said has helped me a great deal. And I've never spent one cent of my money on her! I only listen to her on YT and I've borrowed a book or two from the library, and copied her meditation CDs. Pretty selfish of me, I know, but...

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            David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

            @maurice-adelmon: No, thats silly. The crimes are there and laws were created to prevent them. The most superficial study of the history of civilization makes this obvious. In real life, crime actually forces the creation of laws to protect potential victims, not the other way around. One more foolish error from Abraham-Hicks.

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            maurice-adelmon 3 years ago

            In essence, laws create criminals, as without a law there is no crime.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Thanks for your thoughtful response, Barbara. I'm not a 100% with you on all your points, but seeing a rationale response with some thought behind it here is refreshing.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Hi,I think the original bill or rights are sufficient if applicably used. I don't think laws create criminals; however how they are interpreted; who created them; and why, can create undo criminals,unsung heroes, and sometimes innocent victims (Trayvon Martin). When I look at the make-up of the prison population (which is largely minorities) it makes me shudder. We ought to all agree the prison system is broken.I recently came across A-H (yesterday) and like a salad bar, some of it I like and other parts I don't. The parts I like, I take a double scoop and the parts I don't I leave behind. However, just because I don't like the tomatoes don't mean they aren't good for me and it definitely doesn't mean that other people aren't going to love tomatoes. The part about death doesn't bother me and nor does her perceived "coldness" towards the matter. I have lost so many loved ones and now being old enough to really grasp the fact that death is inevitable, I prefer "coldness" (which could be argued as strength or could be argued as a defense mechanism to something so little of us truly understand besides its inevitability) vs crying or being scared of something that one day will surely happen -- doesn't mean that I don't cry. Again, I just started listening to some of A-H on you tube and the conversations seem geared toward adults who ought to be able to handle a conversation about death without the fluff. Maybe if the conversation about death was centered more around the temporary separation that death brings vs the actually death itself, more compassion could be brought forward. After all, it's the fact that we can't physically see, touch, or talk to our loved ones anymore that really brings the sadness/despair.About sex. . .I'm sexually free and can definitely make it through a seminar without going there. Not because I'm a puritan, but rather an adult woman and not some horny college kid. If I was looking for sex talk or advice I would not go to A-H, maybe Dr. Ruth or somebody in that field. It's all relative. I know the happier I am the more sexually charged I feel. Maybe the point is to not talk about sex, but to create an environment/a feeling that leads to the actually doing of sex without having to discuss the lack thereof.PS Please excuse any typos that I may have made, I have read earlier posts and saw how people with typos can be rather cruelly judged.Thanks so much for this forum!

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Nice to see you again, Zena. You signature "Wow!" and "I've just come across this 'blog' are familiar. You also composed this comment in advance and pasted it in. You did it twice, imaging maybe you could get around a filter. Nice try, but I'm the filter. As long as you're on topic and you don't violate the Squidoo TOS with anything like profanity as some angry Abers do, you can comment."...she has helped millions get a handle on mastering/guiding their own lives." Really? Where's the evidence? I believe she's caused massive damage by giving spiritually lazy, gullible people a way out of doing the work of being an adult who takes on life at its fullest. The rest of us have to carry the load you won't. You're the spiritual equivalent of a perpetual welfare dependent, except that most welfare dependents have little choice. You do.While I appreciate you kindness is recommending "emotional housework," I can't help but wonder why you imagined I'd be interested in advice from someone like you. I have a life and a good one, even though I don't follow Estherham or agree with her, amazing as that must seem to someone like you.Scratching my head - what do you find hypocritical about letting readers of my work know I've written books they can buy if they want to? (Yes, yes, I realize this is a tactic you picked up back at AHP. Sock puppets keep repeating it, but it makes no sense.)Hey, it would be great for Esther Hicks if the other skeptics and I stopped focusing on what she's "doing wrong," wouldn't it? What if what I wanted was to find a way to keep manipulative fakes from polluting society? What would that mean to you?

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            @David Stone1: Wow! I've just come across this 'blog' and I agree with 'disappointed' I do find it quite incredible that pretty much at the beginning of all of this...you are pushing your own books. Bit of a hypocrite I reckon! Whilst it is good to question others motives, there is nothing good to be gained by reading your words and I'm unsure what you are trying to prove by slagging someone else off...Esther is still human and maybe trips up from time to time but 99% of her work/wisdom WHEREVER it has come from...is absolutely spot on and she has helped millions get a handle on mastering/guiding their own lives. You even contradict yourself in replying to 'disappointed' in the first sentence. It is you that cannot deal with anyone elses opinion other than your own. This whole blog of yours is full of negativity and I suggest you do some emotional housework. Or just start focussing on what you DO want as opposed to what you think that others are doing wrong.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Yeah, what Esther claims is just adolescent foot-stamping, whining for people so immature they still haven't gotten over having rules the rest of the culture expects them to respect.Mutual protection was one of the main drivers of civilization, and one of the first things people did as they clustered in cities was to get a police force. I wonder how many of Esther Hicks followers leave their doors open at night so as not to turn anyone else into criminals.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Riffs like that one, Jesse, could get you your own channeling assignment. You'd definitely be more fun than Esther.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            I am no expert. I caught a few of the Abraham Hicks videos over the past few days and ended up here after I decided to look int it some. Anyway, you will have to accept my apology for not being a credible source. If it is any consolation, at least one of us is getting something out of me reading this and commenting (Hint: me).Ok, now it is time for my observations. Make yourself comfortable. Perhaps take off your shoes and get a beverage of your choosing, or, conversely, sit Indian style on bed of nails and chant. Whatever floats your Chakra. I am not here to judge (much). Ok, boom, observation time! Ready? I'm gonna hit you with it: This stuff makes me feel good. And I ask myself, "Self, if it turns out all of this is a load of mumbo jumbo, but it makes me feel good... is it worth my time?" The answer: Yes. I think. I'm pretty sure. Well, you know, I will go with that answer for the time being anyway...And hold on, I know what you are thinking; I'm with ya': You're going, "Woah, there Jesse! Hold your horses! You just circumvented logic and reasoning and evidence and all that! Why don't you grab yourself a fork, fasten your bib, and get down to the real meat and potatoes of this issue!"Exactomundo. I'm getting there. No need to be harsh, friend; take a deep breath, drink your beer and/or adjust your nail bed/hot coals/asphyxiation device accordingly.Let's talk crime and punishment. Law and order. Cops and robbers. You know what I'm referring to, you ol' one-eyed squidoo monster, you! Both of our jaws are on the floor on this one. (I told ya' I'm right there with you). That whole absence of laws thing... it makes no sense andOh, let me interrupt myself here, as far as the whole 9/11 thing I'm not touching that one 'cuz I feel like as much as the brunt of your argument is well thought out on the rest of it, I feel you're kind of reaching for the sad violin music fallacy when you bring that up (and hey, in and of itself, not a bad choice to pepper in some dramatic stuff there as a writer) and I saw some really solid arguments in response to it alreadyAnyway, yeah, the whole law thing, that is either ridiculous or too profound for the likes of me. You know what I'm saying? Doesn't make sense, that whole arrangement... but as far as not making sense or seeming fair or whatever, here (and you didn't bring this up but I am going to) is what really gets me: YOU HAVE TO BE HAPPY... TO GET HAPPY. Basically. You know? Does not seem a very kind or fair way for the universe to set that up does it. Sounds kind of like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer in a way doesn't it? I can't say that aspect of it sits very well with me at all!Oh what was the other thing? Oh yeah, sex... Well, she should talk about it. I don't know why she/Abraham/the audience or whoever has got a problem with that. I mean if you can't use the law attraction to get more sexthen just how useful is it? You know what I'm talking about, Dave. I'm talking about ATTRACTING the ladies... like a compass... to my "north pole"! Oh yeah... And Hey, I might be the only one saying it, but I know I am not the only one thinking it!

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            It takes very little research to discover that laws are most often created in response to actions. Someone does something that hurts or violates another and a new law gets passed. As an example, drunk drivers used to be put in a cell to sober up and released or sent home. It took a great deal of effort to make drunk driving illegal. Did the law create drunk drivers? No, it only created standard penalties for behaviors that were already happening.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: How, Katie, can you think for yourselves if you only have a single point of view you hear from. Abraham-Hicks proselytizes endlessly, on the their website, in a deluge of slickly produced YouTube infomercials, etc. Yet, you find the few of us who take a different point of view troubling?A consistent theme I've seen from Abraham-Hicks devotees is a defensive assumption that people who disagree "are in a bad place." I hope you won't be too disappointed to learn that such is not the case with me or any other the others I know. They're lively, funny, free to think and into various things that have nothing to do with A-H. What we all share is a distaste for hucksterism and cults.As an example of cult-thinking in your comment is your assuming that you know how much time I spend researching and writing about Abraham-Hicks. This is a tactic for trying to taint the results you don't like by injecting an illusion of unfairness. Yet, like numerous other rigid Abers, you have no evidence that anything I've written is inaccurate. You just don't like it. So, you close your mind with a convenient excuse. That's characteristic of a cult. Maybe you should go off to some quiet place and ask yourself if you are really thinking clearly, considering all possibilities and if having such a closed mind is really healthy.Your expressed concern for me was insincere, but mine for you and others in that cult are not. I hope you can all open up and consider a larger universe than the one you're stuck in. If you still feel that following Esther is the thing to do, fine. But at least open up enough to consider the possibilities. It's a much better world out there than you realize.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Every one has to sift through a lot of thoughts, whether they come from our parents, teachers, preachers, priest, tv, etc, to decide for themselves, what is true, and what is not. I get a bad feeling for you, that you took so much of your time and energy, to talk so negative about any one. You sound like you are in a bad place with your self .After reading what you wrote, then wanting us to buy your book, made me believe in Abraham-hicks even more .She lifts people up to a higher awareness level ,for their own good .All you have written about, is cutting some one down. Give us a break, we can think for our selves.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: One of the best and most useful learning experiences I ever had came from reading Saul Bellow's novel "Mr. Sammler's Planet," when I was a young man. At the end of the story, old Sammler is praying for his recently deceased friend, talking to God, really, and he acknowledges that, in spite of our actions, we all do know what the right thing to do is. He concludes: "For that is the truth of it, God, that we know, that we know..." That's been guidance for me for forty years, even when I sometimes failed the standard. There is nothing at all to be gained by flinching away from the truth, no matter who likes it.Thanks, as always, Susie.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Dave, I love how you don't mince words ever and you lead discussions that I get a little lost in at times....my brains is floating right now....I think you will always be one of the most interesting minds around. I believe there is an internal system that regulates us for right and wrong...and sometimes we even go out of those parameters. Does that make us lawless...or just human?

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: shri, I don't know what to think of that. I've seen suggestions like this before, but I can't really get my mind around the idea. Maybe if someone had a fuller explanation.Thanks for bringing it up, shri. Maybe somebody can enlighten us.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Someone just told me her info was coming from different characters within her. She was coming from good light but not so good energys were latching on to her words and confusing het followers what do you think about that Dave?

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: It's too bad, disappointed, that you can't deal with anyone whose opinions differ from yours. In the process you make a couple of ridiculous assumptions without having any idea if they are correct.Even Esther would call what you're doing "pushing against" and of not value to you or anyone else.You're passionate enough. I hope you come back sometime when you have something constructive to add. It's a world full of ideas we share and debate. Get with it. It isn't personal.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            and yet, here YOU ARE, cashing in on all their work in the most cynical, cold and shallow way imaginable. Go and get your OWN life and stop trying to bring other people down.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Well said, Hannah. Thanks.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            @David Stone1: My sister recently started listening to estherham, and upon hearing one example of Esther meditatively coaxing the listener to "be selfish....be selfish..." I just lmao. Of course there's truth to the notion that our thoughts and emotions play a huge role in our life trajectory, however the basic kernels of truth is all estherham has. After those have been said, the logic meanders. Surely it's obvious that more selfishness is not what anyone needs, within or without. That's just one tiny example. Yes, they are fakes. Wake up, people. Just bc they found a few pieces of wisdom to dilute their bs with, doesn't lessen their fakeness. A broken clock is right twice a day..... But u still will need a new f&@$ing clock, right?

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Did you mean "penguin?"

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            This is a stupid argument! If it helps people than why should it matter if shes a fake or not? I think close minded people like yourself need to open up to new ways of life! You also look like the penguine from bat man! In my honest opinion, you have no facts really that she is fake except for your biased opinions!

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Amazing when it works out for you, Bryan. Good luck with following through on what you have learned.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            I am brand new to Abraham-Hicks, I came to Abraham in a most interesting way, actually it would be more accurate to say that Abraham came to me. My wife and I had gone to a psychic-medium, we had been to her previously, she is wonderfully talented. I am a Reiki Master Healer, and trying to develop better communication with Spirit, we sat down, and before we had even asked anything, She says "Abraham is coming forward, do you know Abraham?" I said "No", She went on to briefly tell me that is was Abraham that works with Esther and Jerry Hicks. I had NEVER heard of Abraham or them. Abraham went on to give me some advice on developing my communication skills, the main advice was "Just to "let go" and not try so hard, you have asked for help, and it is being given. Abraham stated that I still have some mental blocks, and He/They will help me remove them." We received other messages from our guides, and some departed loved ones, and had a great session. Needless to say, as soon as I got home I immediately jumped on Google and started looking for info on Abraham and Esther and Jerry Hicks. I was amazed at what I read, and immediately bought "Ask and it is Given". So here I am reading all these amazing wonderful things, and feeling truly blessed that Abraham came forward to speak to me personally!!!! WOW!!! As for me, I have NO DOUBT whatsoever. It's not like my medium would in anyway benefit from telling me this.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @debtsettler1: I suppose it doesn't bother you that you don't know your butt from your elbow when it comes to world history. Or much else, I'd guess. Overconfidence with only ignorance behind it makes you look like a grinning fool.Never the less, this lens isn't about any of the things you mention, and based on your silly statements, you're close to the last source I look for to get information about Christianity or the Catholic Church. (What on Earth do they have to do with the dubious nature of Abraham Hicks?) It's about the question of whether or not Esther Hicks is faking the Abraham schtick. You missed your chance to comment on that, and the rest of us missed more of your free-swinging anger. I know it's not easy when your guru is questioned, but if you trust her, there is no reason for you to be so wildly defensive.

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            debtsettler1 4 years ago

            @David Stone1: "Compilation of religious thoughts"? I think you're the one that needs to research your history before verbal garbage comes out of your month. Constantine the great destroyed nearly 600 books from the bible around 1100 ad, because they showed ideas very similar to what Abraham discusses, such as re-incarnation, law of attraction vibrations..etc. Abraham didn't invent these concepts, they were concepts that were destroyed so mankind would live under the dogmas of the church and with fear of "burning in hell" or the rapture, (that was a good one invented by the Catholic Church oh, about 1800 years after the death of Christ. So my friend, go back and study your religious history, and then come back and spout your new found knowledge with confidence. Once you realize how deceptive the church has been these last thousand years, you will realize why these new age thoughts are emerging all over the place now in the Western world. The eastern world have had these philosophies for thousands of years, long before the birth of christ.Time to wake up and face the emerging spiritual changes, unless you want to dig a hole in the mountains and cover your head with tin foil, so the aliens and the rapture wont find you. Good luck with that.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Mike, I'd respond, but I can't figure out the point of what you said. Sorry. Not responsible for deciphering fuzzy thinking.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Common law - do not cause harm, loss or fraud. Pretty simple really, yet we keep making law after law. 65,000 + at last count in the UK, every one of us breaks at least one per day...This article is responsible for what it accuses.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Well, Abe (if you insist) talks about a lot more than that. Those aren't even the main course. Mostly, it's about attracting stuff. Estherham does talk about love and joy, but only from an inward perspective. Setting an example is the best you can do. Extending love without judgment is not what she preaches. You extend love only when someone meets your predetermined judgment about what their attitude is. And, gosh, I think that's selfish narcissism. You only see the loved one as a reflection of you. Joy too is all about you, not anyone else. And she makes money doing it! So do hookers and drug pushers.

            It's another A-H judgment that "we are all supposed to thrive." That means thriving on your terms, without any regard to what it means for somebody else. A wolf thrives by killing and eating lambs. Thriving is meaningless drivel until you have context and depth of meaning. Esther and her followers, shallow and self-enamored as they can be, don't have either.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            I have listened toAbe for years, they speak only of love, joy and goodness..and personal empowerment...gosh, I have no problem with that...and if she makes money doing it, good for her! we areal.supposed to thrive

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: As far as I can gather what you're trying to say, you agree that Esther almost never lets sex enter the discussion, much as you might expect from a late middle aged woman married to an elderly man but not, of course, what you'd expect from some collection of eternal beings claiming to have deep insight into the workings of human lives.

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            David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: You're giving Esther credit for something she never said. I can understand why you'd try to make such gibberish more palatable.

            What she has actually said is that every death is suicide and voluntary. She mocks people who have trouble dealing with loved ones (as she calls it) "croaking." Interestingly, she dropped that term when it could be applied to her own husband.

            A narcissist, Esther fails to understand the pain and loss for those left behind. Her statement is that those who have died feel as indifferent about those still living as she does. They suffer no separation or sorrow, regardless of their life situation, arguing as you do without the least justification of fact, that they are "delighted." No exceptions. Period.

            The real horror of this is her complete disregard for the feelings of those who have lost loved ones. I was only blocks away from the World Trade Center when it was destroyed and worked nearby for years after. I saw groups of families being escorted into ground zero, hoping for some kind of closure over their losses. Anyone who saw their faces as they walked into their pain would be sickened by Esther's callous indifference and the money-grubbing simplicity she dishes out to lazy, unthinking followers.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            sex does not equal Love- look up "LOVE" instead of sex and u will find inumerous talks on that ;-) for sure sex can be done with love, but sex is not love in itself- love is love- in many ways expressed, one of them is sex.

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            anonymous 4 years ago

            Excerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on Tuesday, September 25th, 2001Note: This claim, that death is always "delightful" was dished out two weeks after the World Trade Center Disaster. For pregnant women jumping to their deaths from eighty floors in the sky, for professionals supporting families, for the captured passengers on commercial flights, a few with infants in their laps, death was a "delightful" experience, according to Esther Hicks.This is missing the point here- it is NOWHERE said that the moments BEFORE death comes over us are or have to always be a delightful experience- as the above statement, oftentimes negative emotions occure such as fear, terror (in the case of unnatural death), etc. however, when Death Itself comes over us (whatever it might be), it sure can be a delightful, freeing moment of big relief from the stresses of life in a world where duality is unevitable- otherwise, our souls would suffer for eternity, had they not the ability to let go and merge back into where they come from.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Mark, you obviously know very little about Jesus' life and death. So, why make an analogy that only serves to make you seem foolish?Jesus was loved by many and criticized by many others, but he was never accused of faking for the sake of making himself rich.More important, really, is that you make the mistake so many Abers make in thinking this lens is about me. It doesn't matter what my writing "sounds" like or anything else about me. Deal with the facts and put up a legitimate case for what you think is true. People will listen because they want to know. Flipping off poorly informed comments without any counter arguments just wastes time and contributes nothing to the debate.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: You sound the same as the people who were against and crucified Jesus...

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Next time you get an idea, try to think it through before blurting out a disjointed, unsupported response like this one. It's a serious subjects and deserves the minimum respect, like capital letters, commas where appropriate and good grammar. What Esther Hicks' followers show, again and again, is an inability to think straight or clearly. Probably explains the near total absence of critical thinking.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            @David Stone1: for sure more laws make more criminals and more adverts on drink driving lead to more accidents for sure! that is not a false premis.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: It may seem to you, Nicolas, that "criminality rate is higher in the US states that apply capital punishment than in the others," but you quote a study about murders only. Maybe the states with capital punishment kept it because they had more crimes to begin with. One doesn't necessarily support the other. What you need to think about is why governments and the laws they create were born. One reason was that the "law of the jungle" was too brutal and unfair without laws to protect the helpless. To support your idea, laws would have had to come first, then crime.Like Sasha (below) manages to accept in rationalizing in favor or Esther Hicks, you seem to belief that a crime murder and rape, for example are not crimes until someone creates a law that says so. So, to be true to your beliefs, I hope you won't bother calling the police when you get robbed or beaten up or whatever. Those laws just create criminals. Let them alone to do their stuff, as you advocate. Me, personally? I'll stick with the cops.

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            David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Stephen, you're basing your claim a false premise. More laws make more thieves and robbers? Really? Have you heard of Singapore? Tight, tight laws, very low crime rate. You may need to go back and try another interpreter of the Tao, as all of them don't see it that way, and when they do, the statement is provably wrong. I agree with you that some of what Abraham and others "channel" sounds like modernized versions of ancient teachings. As we know from researchers, Esther and Jerry "borrowed" the Abraham concepts mostly from others, inventing very little. On the other hand, much of what Esther comes up with is foolish, fraught with errors and even dangerous.Example of dangerous: She recently told a mother not to interfere with her son's kicking their cat. The cat, Esther claimed, was teaching him. Maybe to be the next Ted Bundy. Errors? Estherham mistook String Theory as being about evolution. She went on at length about it. Esther does not agree with the best minds of science and virtually everyone else with half a brain. Humans, she claims, did not evolve from Apes. They were a whole different idea. Now, in case you don't read much beyond self-help, you should know there is a very well established evolutionary tree of share genes that speciate into birds and people and flowers and trees. Maybe, what we are hearing is, most often, the limits of Esther's education.Yes, Esther. There is not Abraham sending blocks of thought into Esther's unbiased mind, as she claims. You're showing your ignorance when you say the Christian (Actually, you wrote "Chistian.") Bible was revealed. Assuming you're talking about the New Testament, it was a very political compilation of numerous books of Christian history and teachings in the 4th Century. It reflects different schools of thought, but it is definitely the conservatives who won. It wasn't "revealed," as you say. It was argued about and settle more than 300 years after Christ died. And, by the way, none of it was written until at least 70 years after he died, being only word of mouth and legend until then. If you want to dispense advice about religious concepts and their relevance, you might want to increase your studies first. Finally, you make the common claim that "People see what they want to see." That doesn't even begin to be true. It's just a cliche. Many people see many things they don't want to see war, crime, murder, loneliness, etc. According to you, they want to see them. Come on. I can see why you're trying to boost Esther. She thrives on her followers lack of education and critical thinking.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            Im not advocating in the overall fake?, yes or no? debate, but this particular quote is pretty basic Taoism. Paraphrased from The Tao Te Ching:"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.Most of what Ive heard from Abraham (and actually in any other channeled" philosophy) tend to be more modern sounding interpretations of ideas already expressed in the very best works our own species has come up with. And I dont really mean that as a criticism of Abraham. Esther Hicks may very well have never read that passage before Abraham spoke it. The Tao Te Ching is an enlightened and very enlightening work. Perhaps it too was channeled. Maybe we should seek for a better definition of that word. After all, when the Chistian Bible was revealed what was really happening? Whats the difference?Anyway, I think the objectors to the logic behind these words (as presented above by Abraham) are missing their point. People tend to see what they want to see. If you want to see Abraham as fake, be careful, because you may find yourself arguing with Lao Tzu. And thats never been a good idea over the last 2,600 years.

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            It seems that criminality rate is higher in the US states that apply capital punishment than in the others.http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-... again, I do not know if this source is reliable, but if it is, then Esther Hicks might have a point here..

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            anonymous 5 years ago

            Here is my thought on this. A law creates criminals by declaring an action illegal. Before the law was created the person who may have done a specific action was not a criminal, but once that law was created that changed and the person became a criminal. i.e. It is legal to talk on your cell phone today while driving, but once the law was created and implemented that banned talking on the cell while driving caused that act to become an illigal action. Therefore, the law has been broken. A person becomes a criminal when they commit a crime, even if it is a seemly minor act. If you disagree with me, then consult with an attorney or law enforcement or google it and show me a different interpretation from a source other than Abraham-Hicks.

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @darciefrench lm: Thanks, Darcie. Too true. All, for a more general look at this area of interest, check out Darcie's link above. It's her own lens on the "enlightenment entertainment industry."

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            darciefrench lm 6 years ago

            Esther Hicks is a false guru profiting outrageously from the enlightenment-entertainment-industry.

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            David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

            @anonymous: Obvious to those of us who aren't trying to sell wisdom and have a need to create unique positions that are easily digested by some. Thanks for the comment.

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            anonymous 6 years ago

            Laws cannot create crimes, they are there till the humanity is live.

          © 2010 David Stone

          So, is Esther Hicks faking, shallow or something else? - What do you think?

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              David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

              I couldn't agree with you more. I hope you will develop some articles of your own on the topics you mentioned. I find Brian Weiss, for instance, fascinating and inspiring. In the meantime, thanks for your thoughtful comments.

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              BardScribe 2 years ago from Iowa

              Hi, David. I am very much into the Law of Attraction/Create your own reality stuff, but interestingly, I did not come by the idea via the A-H material, so I am not exactly an A-H apologist. I do have some of their work sitting on my shelves, still, because they were part of my journey, if you will. That being said, I do strive to look at the integrity of my sources of information and I trust my intuition if I am led to something that does not match up with what I've experienced up to this point. I do believe that our emotions and other subtle energies can influence our physical form--this is something that is featured in films like "What the Bleep Do We Know," where they actually interview quantum physicists as well as obvious spiritual types. However, you are correct in saying that there are teachers of things like the Law of Attraction that are, in don Miguel Ruiz's words, "impeccable with their word." As for your comments in another hub where you refer to "The Secret" video and the fact that there were allegedly acrimonious feelings between Rhonda Byrne and the A-H "team," I found those comments interesting and revealing. The Law of Attraction is a universal concept. You cannot put a copyright on it or take other people to court for teaching about it. That would be like Dr. Brian Weiss, a noted expert on reincarnation and related topics, taking Dr. Raymond Moody to court for writing on the same subject. Granted, humans are imperfect, but indeed, I have yet to hear of Dr. Weiss getting into it with Dr. Moody.

              As for Dr. Wayne Dyer, a noted supporter of the A-H material, I have to honestly shrug my shoulders about his support of that material, because we do not know if he is aware of the dying off of the "A-H" believers and for which reasons. I also shrug my shoulders about him because, despite his popularity and remaining credibility, I do not find myself rushing to buy his books. I read what I feel compelled to read, and Wayne Dyer, while a good read during a rainy day, is more likely to be a library check-out-author for me, rather than a "yes-yes-pay-money-and-take-me-home-for-good" author. :-) Don Miguel Ruiz's work, or "Conversations With God," by Neale Donald Walsch, are far more compelling, and far deeper, philosophically and spiritually.

              It is not an easy job writing expose pieces, but the pieces you've written are tremendously thought-provoking, and they shed some rather incriminating light on the Hicks' venture. Thank you for having the courage to speak up. As you have put forth in your other hubs, there are other spiritual teachers with more integrity about them.

              Namaste to You,

              Kat ^.^

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              David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

              Thank you, pennyofheaven, for you thoughtful, engaging comments. Very much appreciated.

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              pennyofheaven 2 years ago from New Zealand

              Maybe Im late to the party however I just stumbled upon your hub. Very interesting. I found it very engaging and gave me much food for thought. The following comments are a result of my thought processes.

              Determining whether or not Esther is shallow, cold and not very bright is a very subjective experience and will be based entirely on one’s own parameters of perception. Determining therefore will be difficult considering no one is her except for her. How Esther is perceived therefore will depend on many variables. Esther’s experiences, intuitions, call it what you will, are hers alone. What or how and who she chooses to share these with is entirely her choice. What one chooses to subscribe to is equally their choice.

              Since Jesus is no longer a physical entity, I don’t see why then he or at least the energy of what he was (if still a cohesive pattern) cannot be part of the 100 lot of nonphysical entities supposedly having their say in the teachings she chose to share. That it is said that ‘she is what Jesus was’ I get what that is pointing to. After all it is what he tried to teach while in the physical.

              With regards to the website and it describing Jerry as it does. Perhaps the descriptive elements are referring to the indestructible aspect of that which we are...i.e. energy. Some might call it the spirit of Jerry. Not physical then. One may never know nor can we presume to.

              You made a very valuable point in asking whether or not one should take their word for whatever they are advocating. In my view, that will depend. Each man is at a different point in their life. For some, it may be useful for where they are at on their path. For others what they advocate may no longer be useful. Their path will then by necessity take a whole new direction if they so choose. Letting go of teachers or teachings that are no longer useful or do not apply to one’s life path is not easy for some. Nevertheless experience being our greatest teacher will ultimately be the decider when one has to move on

              That they chose to make money on their path makes them no different to any other living person except that they saw an opportunity to support themselves while helping others. If there was no demand they would not sell a thing.

              Death being delightful would not be a description that I would use however that is what she chose to use. Did it bring peace to anyone or didn’t it? Did it bring pain? Perhaps both.

              Her comments on Laws making criminals goes much deeper than what she has alluded to. Unless she did a whole Sermon on the Mount thing, I can see how it does not make a whole lot of sense in the context of her comment.

              As for Sex. Is it possible that these subjects did not come up? Perhaps it was not at the forefront of their followers minds at the time?

              Thanks for the engaging hub.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @darkflowers: Thanks, darkflowers. Using your head is good. Keep working those brain cells. It's the world's best exercise.

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              Anja Toetenel 4 years ago from The Hague, the Netherlands

              Wow you did a lot of research, I loved reading your Lens and it's great you asked questions, never believe until you've researched things yourself, that is also my life motto. I've heard a lot about this couple, but never 'met' them. Maybe they started genuine and then success took its toll and they had to keep on producing in order to stay successful or so? This is what happens a lot in this 'medium world'. I'm like you, I certainly believe in supernatural things, in life after death, but I stay skeptic and I love to do good research! Wonderful Lens Dave! I hope I'm not out of likes for today (there's a max of 20 likes per day and I see a lot of Lenses I like!), but wanted to let you know I really liked this one, great!

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: MACDOC, I'm speechless. I can't understand enough about what you said to respond.So, you don't think Esther is faking. That's fine. About all I can say.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              No, she is not faking not even close. The truth, no matter howuncomfortable and in your face it seems to be it is still leaps and bounds ahead and beyond measure above our simple egotisticle minds. Abraham at all costs only will tell us what we ultimately can handle, nothing more nothing less. Father makes that a must for our own benefit - for the ultimate outcome.how can we really know what's in our own best interest when we can't even figure out LOVE.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Maybe I'll give him another chance, then. I watched the Video #21 where he goes over his basic concept. The data thing isn't new to me. It's incomplete, but really just a computer-tinted take on what we all know about how our sensory organs and brain function. He was completely wrong when he likened a newborn child's brain as a blank slate, though. That's provably inaccurate.I liked his sense of humor and his style. So, I'll check something farther down the road and see what I get. Thanks.By the way, you may find Paul Davies' work interesting. He's also a physicist, and The Dancing Wu Li Masters is a good match for physics and Zen.4th of July. Outa here now!

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: It's an exciting adventure, Mark. That's for sure. I'm enjoying the ride as I surf through the many new ideas out there. Some are flaky and unsubstantiated; others have something interesting to contribute. I favor a more scientific approach, although the negative conservatism of the mainstream scientific community is an embarrassment to real inquiry.As far as Tom Campbell is concerned, he's a lot better than Esther Hicks in having some firm ground to stand on. His experience with quantum physics makes what he says more exciting, and he sticks to the facts up to point. The problem is when he takes the known facts and makes the startling leap, unsupported by any science to claim that the ultimate goal of people is love, whatever version of that word is handy.In his basic foundation, taking off on entropy, the Second Law of Thermodynamics, he correctly describes the range of high entropy (chaos) and low entropy (organization). He then leaps to the conclusion that low entropy is the ideal and the basis for what he calls "love." Really, there is no reason to say that a middle point between high and low isn't more interesting because it would dynamic and power change, whereas low entropy would seem stagnant.Minor point until he leaps to the New Age "love" buzz word that, examined for all its overuse, like God, tends to mean nothing reliable. It was interesting to see Campbell hooked up with Bruce Lipton, who does similar gymnastics with epigenetics. The conclusions they reach are so premature that they discredit themselves. Both seem to be reaching for the popular buzz word as simplistic way of reaching an audience, not a truth.

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              @David Stone1: Yeah, the copyright explanation for the videos coming down makes a lot of sense. When the unauthorized versions that haven't been carefully cleaned up are viewed, it makes Hicks look more like a fraud.Don't sweat the Tom Campbell stuff. I ultimately have to make my own judgments about whether his work is real and valuable for me or not. Its just hard to find a reasonably objective observer out there who is actually open to the possibility of contact with a larger reality, but isn't ready to swallow every new age guru or other religious novelty act hook, line and sinker. If you end up checking out his stuff, it will probably take you a long time to form a well-rounded opinion anyway. When I first discovered "My Big Toe" on YouTube, I went on their website forum and gave some of his fans a hard time about what I considered at the time to be outlandish claims. But I kept being drawn back into his words on YouTube, particularly his explanations about the double slit quantum erasure experiment and how it indicated that were living in a virtual reality, not like the surface and shallow explanations of basic double slit in What the Bleep do we Know, but more along the lines of the Copenhagen interpretation, with even more depth (Campbell is a physicist).I wont bore you with any details about my relatively short inner journey. Ill just say that what started out as some vague and nebulous contact with the larger reality during my meditations and lucid dreams is now becoming clear, specific and valuable to me. Its like a whole new world is opening up that I never knew existed. Cheers.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: I came to the conclusion that A-H is spiritualism for the lazy, an easy way out that doesn't deliver anything but diversion. I will check out Tom Campbell and try to make time to read his material.As for the videos coming down, they were probably not approved by Abraham-Hicks. They've gone after copyright violations with threats of lawsuits in the past, in spite their claimed live and let live philosophy. They try to keep a controlled version out there. It helps them delete the obvious errors and questionable claims the skeptics have made note of.By the way, the "vortex of attraction" got invented after Esther and Jerry were denied a trademark claim on "law of attraction," which they claim Abraham invented. But it's been around since the New Thought Movement. It seemed an unusual blunder by Jerry who was trying to lock out the competition. A friend of mine was on the Monster Bus with them when they got the news. They went ballistic at not getting away with it.I'm not sure how soon I can get to Campbell or how I can let you know, but drop me a note somewhere in week or two. I'll let you know where I am with it.Thanks.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              Hey Dave, You may have already discovered it, but one of the Abraham Hicks YouTube channels pulled down a bunch of her videos today. Apparently you were right when you said, "this ship is sinking fast," in one of your comments. I only just discovered her yesterday on YouTube and was kind of liking some of the things "Abraham" had to say. But then I saw her on a few videos trying to sell her DVDs right at the beginning of her talks, which made me wonder if it was only about the money and it was all fake. Anyway, I figured I'd give you a heads up about the videos coming down. I'm the guy who was asking you what you thought about Tom Campbell's book (and YouTube lectures) "My Big Toe" (theory of everything). If you ever do check out his material, I'd be interested in your review of it, since you seem pretty knowledgeable about all this new age stuff. Because of a few things that happened to me in my life, as well as my explorations of my own consciousness through meditation, I'm convinced there is a whole lot more going on in this reality than just the physical matter part of it we can see and touch. But there seems to be a lot of frauds out there, and Hicks could very well be one of them. A lot of the Vortex and Law of Attraction stuff is pretty simplistic, anyway, and doesn't seem to be of much value if you're beyond about a sixth grade level. Take Care.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: You've captured the situation pretty well, Ryan.As for Seth, I've read little that was posted on line. It was too abstruse for me. (Fancy way of saying I didn't get it.) But in the long run, Esther's stuff started out as a sort of dumbed down Seth. She and Jerry read a lot of the Seth material before inventing Abraham. Jury is still out on whether Jerry was fully aware of what she was really doing. Knowing a lot of the Seth stuff, plus the New Thought Movement, where they stole the "law of attraction," they then met with Sheila Gillette who channels Theo and ripped off her slant on things and her act. Sheila may be genuine. She is at least original.The trouble with Esther is a combination of not being well educated, narcissism and greed. When she comes up with her own stuff, it's often not so bright, like wisdom at the high school dropout level presented with ponderous gravity.No, Esther does not believe in charity. Her conviction is that is you associate with victims or others in trouble, you "lower your vibration" to their level, thereby reducing your own power. The numbskulls who fall all over her at seminars love this stuff because it leaves them off the hook. Not only are they victims of their own poor thoughts, they will bring you down if you try to help them. This selfish, sleavoid stuff.Finally, she won't do it for free because she has a gang of hangers on that depend on her for income, including her sister. She can't support them all with what she has in the bank for long.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              Dave, have you read any of the Seth work? I haven't, but I'm just wondering if it is more substantial, or makes more sense to a thinking person. I've tried off and on to get into Abraham over the years, but while it sounds good at first, when you really think about it, the inevitable questions come up of people "attracting" things to them such as cancer, rape, tragedies, natural disasters, etc. And that just doesn't wash with me. It also bothers me that she claims you can "have, do or be" anything you want, but if you ever question why you haven't received what you want-then that's why you don't have what you want, because you're thinking about that you don't have it. Huh? Sounds like a convenient "teaching" to me. I definitely don't consider myself an intellectual or even extremely analytical, but when you actually think about a lot of this stuff, you start to realize so much of it is BS. I love self-help, and I'm intrigued by the idea of LOA, but I'm wondering if there are other teachings of it that aren't so simple minded and narcissistic. I just can't follow any sort of teaching that says the victims of 9/11 attracted it to themselves. But it seems if you take the good (or what sounds good) of LOA-you get you're attracting to you-you have to also take the bad-you've attracted all the bad stuff.And thank you for the articles on Abraham Hicks. I have been reading them the past couple of days. I have to wonder why she doesn't just retire? Why even more workshops, products, etc? How much money does one really need? Surely, the Hicks' became very wealthy. And if her goal is really to help people, why not just now offer the workshops for free, or for a small fee just to cover the expenses? Or why not start donating the proceeds to something like Red Cross? (Have any of their workshops ever been benefits to raise money for when a horrible tragedy happens-such as Hurricane Sandy? Or did they just blame the victims, and go on about their business?) I understand the need to be financially comfortable, but once you're set up financially for life, what's the point? I also understand the need to work even at retirement, but again, if you don't have to worry about money, why not do it for free? It just makes me feel that these people were all about greed, greed, greed. She didn't even slow down for her husband's death.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Really, DianeM, I haven't seen any evidence that what you say is true or anything more than wishful thinking.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              Apparently, what Esther does works for some, apparently, it does not work for you.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @NoYouAreNot: I get it now. I miss the old public poets who thrived when reading poetry was more commonplace, before distraction took people so far away from their inner selves. Wallace Stevens managed to thrive in both worlds, but he was one of the last ones.

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              NoYouAreNot 4 years ago

              @David Stone1: I was referring to the "pale, unsatisfied ones" trying to create one more kind of "cult" -- you know, stir noise, get followers, and the like... when we already have what we need.Glad to find one more Yeats admirer!

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @NoYouAreNot: Helenee, I don't think I understand the connection, but I'm always happy to include Yeats anywhere I can.Thanks!

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              NoYouAreNot 4 years ago

              I'd like to quote a poem by W.B. Yeats, which I think says much about this subject:"The Magi"Now as at all times I can see in the mind's eye,In their stiff, painted clothes, the pale unsatisfied onesAppear and disappear in the blue depth of the skyWith all their ancient faces like rain-beaten stones,And all their helms of silver hovering side by side,And all their eyes still fixed, hoping to find once more,Being by Calvary's turbulence unsatisfied,The uncontrollable mystery on the bestial floor.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @anonymous: Sorry, Dan. Was that the question? As a dedicated practitioner of Reality Therapy for over thirty years, I suggest you can find more reliable, dependable and consistent resources in many places.Use what you want, but it concerns me that you blow off the fact that you may be helping to sell your patients snake oil.

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              anonymous 4 years ago

              I really feel you are taking a pretty jaded point of view. As a therapist who uses cognitive behavioural therapy to help my patients, I find the Abraham Hicks material (faked or real?) helpful - from my position the more ways people can access healthy positive living the better.

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              David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

              @MadeInAmerica LM: I think you're right, MadeInAmerica, except that it's worse than that. They're ripping off Seth in substance and Theo in style, but they're dumbing it down to catch the happy not to think crowd.Seth, via Jane Roberts, had a lot of exciting, detailed things to say, much of it over my head and the majority well beyond anything Esther dishes up like pre-digested baby food.Thanks for your comment.

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              MadeInAmerica LM 4 years ago

              I think they're ripping off the Seth/Jane Roberts material, which I do think is for real because those books,published back in the 60s/70s mentioned stuff like multiple dimensions and infinite probabilities, and your thoughts in the present being able to influence the past, all stuff which wasn't known then, but which has since become part of physics theory (I just read an article that validated the idea events in the present influencing the past at sub atomic level)

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              anonymous 6 years ago

              I do not find Esther Hicks very convincing, there cannot exist communication with dead, maybe you will have to transcend to their world in their next existence to communicate.

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              David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

              @darciefrench lm: Interesting phenomenon, Darcie. I have a friend, Kyra, who does a lot of research in this, and there is some intriguing stuff out there. But it seems that what the Hicks's have done in reaching general audience is just pandered after people's hopes, tickling a sort of narcissism in a segment of the population. Good marketing in any case.I have several hubs on this topic, plus the lenses. Some of the followers are ranking me down all the time. Part of the game with sacred cows.

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              darciefrench lm 6 years ago

              I've never read her work, seen her physicality, or heard her speak. (Or Abraham). Sounds like a fun stage act- like a hypnotist that convinces his audience they're baby goats for 30 minutes. Only it seems it could take lifetimes for some folks to get over the illusion of channeling.