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Cancer Finally Took Jerry Hicks' Life

Updated on February 20, 2015

Jerry Hicks' Struggle with Leukemia

You can't be blamed if you think Jerry Hicks, the wildly successful marketer of New Age products and promotions, is still alive, can you?

Abraham-Hicks wouldn't promote a lie on their website, would they?

The dust settled after their disastrous handing of Jerry Hicks losing battle with leukemia, but the folks at Abraham-Hicks still promote the myth marketed during his lifetime.

Jerry, according to their website, continues to dance across the country with Esther in their "monster bus," more than three years after he died.

If you're confused, join the club. I am too.

Jerry Hicks died in November 2011, according to Esther Hicks.

Something new: Jerry and Esther Hicks Spiritual Money Tree, Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Leukemia That Was Hard To Explain

Esther Hicks confirmed that the cause was cancer of the blood, leukemia, an illness Jerry and Esther never admitted before he died, but later claimed they didn't try to hide it either.

Esther acknowledged on their website what many of us saw coming. Jerry Hicks died, she said in a blog post and email blast, on November 18th, 2011. Her credibility, of course, isn't high, but it seemed unlikely she'd be running a con on that one.

No location for his place of death was given. No obituary or other official recognition has been found.

The best evidence suggests that his fight finally ended while seeking alternative treatments in South Korea. The cover story was going to be about how he always felt a kinship with the South Korean people, but that balloon never got off the ground.

Six months passed after Jerry Hicks admitted being hospitalized to undergo what he called "heavy chemotherapy."

He gave only enough details to help gullible followers believe a fiction about a fire ant bite as the cause. I'm not kidding.

One optimistic follower on the Abe Forum passed along her insight that taking an aspirin was, in fact, chemotherapy, and so, there was no reason to believe Jerry Hicks had cancer.

If he did, why wouldn't he say so?

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Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Is the story of Abraham's birth one that, if you actually read it, you'd feel comfortable with, or does it read more like something patched together that never really makes any sense?

Why is Jerry Hicks illness and death still being covered up with misinformation directly from Abraham-Hicks?

And what about the Abraham-Hicks Teachings? Do followers ever actually read them and think about what they say?

 

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"Good to see the old ones go." Esther Hicks

Over too was the game of wondering when Esther Hicks would stop obscuring the facts and tell the truth to followers.

The answer: Never.

In fact, rather than rejoice in Jerry's "croaking," as she did when death took away someone else's loved one, or repeating her refrain about how it's "good to see the old ones go," Esther has personally granted Jerry eternal life, resurrecting her dead husband as an additional channeled resource in her so-called workshops.

Finally, and maybe in anticipation of a more remote form of contact with followers, Esther Hicks is reinventing herself.

The frumpy black and white country preacher outfits have been discarded and replaced with the brighter, splashy colors Esther enjoys in real life.

When Esther Hicks broke her silence about Jerry Hicks' cancer, although ultimately a front for a marketing pitch and fairly misleading, it was news.

Jerry Hicks' Cancer: Basic Questions

One of Esther Hicks' (posing as Abraham) most memorable quotes:

"Think about that little smear that starts out as the human body, and then there's a nose and a liver and a gizzard, oh, not a gizzard... All that stuff that is present and knows how to become this. There's so much knowledge within the human body. You're wanting to free the human body's knowledge to be well from the resistance that has been picked up along this physical trail. The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000 # 106

But When It Mattered for Jerry Hicks

It appears that Jerry Hicks cancer shows he was immune, not to cancer, but to the wisdom preached by his wife and marketed by him to millions of believers.

Jerry Hicks death was an occasion for sadness. Even though the marketing machine has made a mess of this tragic situation, a disservice to their trusting followers, other cancer victims and Jerry Hicks himself, there is no joy in discovering the deceits parlayed by Esther Hicks one more time.

A trusted friend with a medical background and many contacts in the Abraham Hicks world guessed that Jerry had been suffering from leukemia for many months, certainly long before the ridiculous spider bite story was cooked up. She believed the signs of low dose chemotherapy were already evident in his appearance.

She speculated that an escalation of the disease led to the phony cover story. Jerry's own admission that he'd already lost fifteen pounds from his slight frame before beginning chemotherapy tends to confirm her suspicions.

Since Esther has long claimed that, not only do we give ourselves cancer, we also chose our time of death voluntarily, their money-skewed position in marketing to their cult-like following could not withstand the exposure.

Others may tell us what really happened during the meltdown of Abraham Hicks, but if my friend's educated guesses are right, they help explain the pathetic scramble to scare up money from pushing guided meditation CD's rabidly during Christmas and the sudden invention of the "Abraham LIVE" scheme to gather followers over the internet, getting beyond the limited benefits of onsite attendance, regardless of how overpriced.

Now that the facts are better known, the question is whether or not Esther Hicks will do the right thing and come clean.

Even if it would be of great help to their followers in aiding them with insights or for leukemia victims everywhere by no longer suggesting guilt, I don't see anything in their background that suggests she will.

Abraham Hicks on Medicine, Aging and Sickness

And the "heavy chemotherapy" was necessary because...?

The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000 # 106

"Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose."

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Sedona, AZ on Saturday, August 27th, 2005

I suppose you'd have to wonder why Jerry Hicks decided to "play it out" with leukemia, then ran to "heavy chemotherapy" to get rid of it.

And death itself:

"...death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on Tuesday, September 25th, 2001

Note: This claim, that death is always "delightful" was dished out two weeks after the World Trade Center Disaster. For pregnant women jumping to their deaths from eighty floors in the sky, for professionals supporting families, for the captured passengers on commercial flights, a few with infants in their laps, death had a "delightful" experience

And the latest: Abraham Hicks Is Dead

Comment But Stay on Topic

Since so many angry Abraham-Hick's supporters feel that this is an invitation to rant, express their anger, tell me I'm a jerk, point out that I don't get it, praise Esther and Jerry, and otherwise misuse the space, I have to make a rule that any comments that do not respond to the question asked will be deleted.

Don't worry, fans.

You will have opportunities later to condemn the author at will.

But you will be expected to make a point, not just angry remarks. So, as you go along, think about what you might write that actually adds to the conversation.

You'll stand a much better chance of having your remarks approved and added to the lens.

Thanks.

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      Sally AJ 3 months ago

      I heard Esther Hicks on You tube by accident and followed up as what she was saying made sense to me and my current situation.

      I went onto the internet, found some negatives written about the couple and realized that what was being said about cults etc was a result of the followers' undying belief in the teachings. Some people believe anything that is said to them without question and they become victims of a cult. Other people are exposed to the same material but look at those facts with a curious and questioning view and don't become followers. They are free to choose which direction to take and glean what they can from the teachings. This is the stance I have chosen and hope to benefit from it.

      Blessings to you.

      Sally

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      Morningsun444 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Grace, I agree with what you said although I am at a loss to figure out how people are supposed to RELAX and DE-STRESS whilst being hyper-vigilant, ferreting out and extinguishing any 'negative' thoughts that may wander into their heads, for fear that a negative thought will worsen their illness...Really, think about it..how much stress can a person stand? Negative thoughts wander, uninvited, into our heads a thousand times a day. Can you imagine believing that allowing even one of these thoughts to knock around in your mind a bit, would cause your illness to get worse???...STRESSOR!!!!!!And, further to that line of AH thinking...people brought their diseases on themselves in the first place with their negative thinking...so, that should put one in a happy, stress free state of mind right?? They basically got what they deserved because they weren't happy enough? Perfect! The simple answer...GET HAPPY...Simple!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Dr. Hamer sounds like he may be a fascinating character or, maybe, a crackpot. I haven't taken a look and don't expect to. So, your thoughts about how his point of view relates to Jerry Hicks death is interesting, but not relevant enough to go on about anymore here. A Google search will get plenty of results for anyone wishing to research further, or my suggestion to you, Arnold, is that you write and article of your own to get a discussion going.Squidoo is absolutely free for such purposes as are a number of other online sites for writers. Good luck with it!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dear Dave,Where am I coming from? Yesterday I heard that Jerry Hicks died. Googeling for information, I couldn't miss your site. A site with pros and cons about Ester and Jerry Hicks, it seemed. I submitted a go-between. Thanks for posting it anyway and thanks for your reply. You made absolutely clear that you deliver the cons. I wonder why Jerry allowed himself to be killed by chemo. You explain this from your perspective. From my perspective, we cure ourselves all the time. From your perspective: Of course, we cure ourselves all the time. We all have immune systems where the only job is to cure, 24 X 7. This isn't news, but you pass it along as if it were some great insight. It isn't. It's common, everyday knowledge.We cure ourselves all the time, from my perspective: every so called illness is a healing process. From my perspective we heal ourselves through dis-ease. Common, everyday knowledge? If so, then Dr. Hamer, with his German New Medicine, would be common, everyday knowledge. Greetings,Arnold RabiusHolland NL

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Although you lack the courtesy of actually answering the questions asked, I'm going to post it because it demonstrates what a poorly informed world of truths, half-truths and outright fictions the A-H crowd lives in.Of course, we cure ourselves all the time. We all have immune systems where the only job is to cure, 24 X 7. This isn't news, but you pass it along as if it were some great insight. It isn't. It's common, everyday knowledge.The rest of what you have to say is a mix of opinion and baloney. Dr. Ryke had theorized, but not proved anything of the kind. Cancer is best described as a situation in which cells lose their ability to exhaust themselves and die away as evolution provided. They grow out of control, gobbling up nutrients needed by other cells. I agree that modern medicine has done some less than admirable work among much good, but try telling a few cancer patients who were healed by modern medical intervention that cancer is healing and modern medicine is useless, even evil. You'd have to have your head examined to adopt such simplistic, slanted, uninformed ideas. Bruce Lipton is such a clown I'm almost reluctant bother responding. He passes himself off as a daring pioneer discovering truths about epigenetics when it has been a field of research for two decades and Lipton is not considered a leader. The only original ideas he had he was unable to verify scientifically. Your idea of something being "proved" just shows how easily the uneducated and unwilling to learn can be yanked into cults by big promises.And by the way, even if your Abraham quote is accurate, no one ever claimed that Abraham said he should stop chemotherapy. What Esther (There is no Abraham. It's faked.) said was that just changing you vibration could cure any disease within a few days. She also said Jerry was the best manifester of intentions ever. The question, which you can't answer (probably why you responded to something ever said instead) is: Why didn't Jerry Hicks simply follow the "teachings of Abraham" his wife conjures up?The reason: the teachings of Abraham are stupid, and conventional medicine, at least, gave him a chance.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      From my perspective, we cure ourselves all the time. Some say: Jerry Hicks cancer proves the basic teachings about health and death that Esther and Jerry Hicks have been selling for decades are nonsense. True? It depends. Dr. Ryke Hamer (German new medicine) proved that every cancer is a healing process, destroyed by deadly diagnosis, chemotherapy, and radiation. Dr. Bruce Lipton proved that our cells are signaled from outside and not from inside by our genes, and that the signals can be distorted by physical damage, chemicals and thoughts. Abraham once said, in relation to chemotherapy, focus on the cellular energy run. He did not say, stop chemo, however he said, if you knew what we know, no doctors would be employed. Thank you Jerry for the wonderful world you allowed to expand through Ester. Thank you Ester for the wonderful world you allow to expand by communicating Abraham.Thank you Abraham, Arnold and Bozena RabiusHolland NL

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I feel the same way. I think lots of these people are just looking for a reason to have an excuse NOT to actually "live". I'm not afraid anymore!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Kyra1985: And babe where do you get all this TIme on focusing on people whom you don't believe ....Why do you are so much ...Why do you have the neeed to convince people otherwise ...What's in it For YOU ?..check with yourself ...The way you mentioned the details It seems you are their secret admirer but hat hate to admit soo bad that you have become an Opposer ...Good luck Buddy ...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Wonderful Perspective bang on ....Good that you spoke for many who have faith in them .....!!!!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Scam or no scam, Jerry Hicks was a human being and his wife is mourning the death of her husband. We all make choices in life - who to follow - what to believe. No one wants to feel pain or poverty or fear. Wealth does not mean security. I thank Jerry for all things good and wish his family and all of you, peace.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,Yes, feel free. Robert Jay Lifton is a great resource, as well as Margaret Singer.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Grace, for the clarity. This is right on and well-said. I have another A-H Cult lens that the attackers are too lazy to find. I'd love to see this posted there (You can find a link in the right column above.), or I'll do it, if I can have your permission. Thanks, again.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Robert Jay Lifton studied cults and created a list of eight psychological themes for thought reform criteria. A lot of them fit the Abraham cult. Especially:"Sets up a sense of antagonism with the outside world; it's "us against them"" The "leading edge" thinkers vs. those of us who will never learn."Totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative." Soure Energy in this case."The world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure." Contrast."The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence."Speaking for Source Energy/God. Esther is the secong coming of Jesus."Questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited." Censorship on Abraham forums, encouraging the fear that thinking "negatively" will bring about negative life circumstances (financial loss, violent crime, etc. Blaming the victim)"Offers considerable security to young people because it greatly simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying the truth about human behavior and human psychology." The "Law" of attraction.'Repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon." "Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase." I.e., The Vortex, Law of Attraction, leading edge thinkers, vibration, upstream/downstream, etc."The group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world"... "unenlightened", etc." Again, leading edge thinkers, Abraham as a voice of Divine Authority, Estger is Jesus or like Jesus. Buddha, Jesus, and other divine authority figures believed to be part of the entity known as Abraham. (Glaring contradictions in these different religious figure's dogma ignored for the emotional impact and authority it evokes in people's minds).

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you Andromeda. I agree with everything you said, wish i was that articulate. May Jerry get well and they both continue to teach us what we already know in our souls. Lord knows someone has to show us another way but if they are not ready they will never learn and that ok because we do need contrast.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello...I have tried to add a question but am blocked from doing so, I think, because I am using the term MLM as in comparison to Abraham Hicks..your server is telling me my question looks like spam..how can I get my question authorized?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Interesting. You seem open to possibilities and I can see that you mostly just have beef with the Abraham hicks work or at least question their true nature which is a normal reaction. Very true, It is never a good Idea to give advice unless asked. I have enjoyed seeing the responses to my comments. Regardless of what you believe, I wish you and everyone searching for something that they may find it and live a life that is satisfying to them. Take care - Andromeda

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: The only problem with your comments as that are out of context. Look at the question asked. This is not the point to drill home your points. There are options more toward the end of the lens, after you've seen all the content, and you can ramble off the point a little, if you want.As to your question, I don't know if I'd give them any advice unless I was asked. That's not something I'd expect most people to look for from me. I'm neither a doctor nor a spiritual guide. What I have to say about such things is in a dialogue, not advice for anyone who is capable of seeking their own wisdom freely.Many people have had what are most often called spontaneous healings, ones without any known cause, and there are almost as many explanations in medicine and spiritual traditions for it. They certainly happen. I don't know of any that happened because someone followed Esther Hicks' advice, but I do know people who claim that following it has made their situations worse. I also know that Jerry didn't follow it at all.My opinion is that much of what happens to people remains unexplained and mysterious, which is good. We have a lot of adventure ahead of us. Esther Hicks's pat answers are easy to digest for those who prefer not to make an effort to understand themselves and/or how things work. They aren't worth much.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi Dave, i have a question for you. I curious for your opinion on something. In a situation where you find yourself with someone that has a terminal disease and they have been told there is no hope, what would you advise them? If it was your wife or someone you love and care about wouldn't you try to find a way to cheer them up? At the end of the day, Abraham in a nutshell says, that all you have to do is find a way to feel good, get into the vortex. It almost seems like the same response to every problem people come up with. Person says "I got this or that" and Abraham says try to feel good and forget everything else and it will turn out fine.I can personally testify to knowing someone that had terminal cancer and was only given 3 months to live. This guy (family friend) Got a hold of the attitude that said "I am fine and I don't have anything, I plan on living." I personally went with my family to a catholic church (nothing to do with Abrahams work) where our friend and his family and all of his friends got together and prayed. There was an attitude in the room of hope and faith. It has been 4 years and this man is still alive. He did go through chemo too but the doctor said that only a miracle can help him now but even then he had the attitude of a champion and so far so good. Funny thing he doesn't know about Abraham. He and his family believe in Jesus and the bible. (FYI I'm not Christian but I do believe in the power of faith) All I'm saying right now is that there are studies and more common documentaries such as What the Bleep Do We know that suggest the potential of positive feeling/thoughts. There are scientist that theorize of this through quantum physics. Perhaps this is the start of an opportunity but maybe we all need some more studying on how to make something of it. I'm only looking to hear your opinion not to try to change or challenge you. And about that last paragraph, perhaps I said it a little out of context but I did readdress it in Kyra's questions. If you find my comment offensive in anyway I would not be offended if you delete them. This is your blog and I don't want to intrude if you feel so.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Kyra1985: You make good points. About the human thing... Oh dear, yeah, that's a little carried away. Anyway, yes you're right about what you said"people have similarly believed that they came to their own, personal realizations about the reality of Hell and the judgement of God. It doesn't mean that they are correct." I agree. Many people have experiences that make them think they found or have something great and sometimes they manage to get enough people to follow and before you know it, you have a million people believing nonsense and maybe this is no different. I am not saying that I am right or that I have some amazing revelation that will heal the world but this is that this is a topic I enjoy and like to do research on. Just like when you found something that you liked and you clicked with it and you keep up with it still today. It is not something that I need in order to improve my life but rather something that I enjoy and because of it I'm living a happy life. Not that I have it all figured out and perfect either, I have my share of troubles and needs like everyone else but that's the journey right?This isn't about right or wrong for me but me being honest with myself and following own my inspirations. For example:I like running but I didn't always; and I noticed that when I would run at first i'd be thinking "I have to run this many miles, with this hot weather and I am not sure if I drank enough water..." I would get tired soon, my knees would hurt and it felt like throwing up. One day after not running in a long time I said today I am going to learn to run and enjoy it. As I started running, I paced myself and made sure that I felt good by not pushing myself too hard. About 1 min in, negative thoughts would start coming up like i'm tired, I'm out of breath, etc. So I started to try to change my attitude by focusing on regulating my breathing, then on my footwork, and only on these things at first. Before I knew it I forgot about the problems that I was thinking and I was running faster, had great endurance and I began to enjoy it. Its funny because you can't lie to yourself, you either feel it or you don't. If I am trying to make myself feel better then it doesn't work but If I genuinely stop trying (kind of like meditating) and focus only on my breath, foot work and posture, then I feel great and I can last a long as I can hold that feeling and focus, that is where the training begins. It's the kind of mental training that athletes do, like olympians. I'm not trying out for the Olympics, but I like their attitude, mental discipline and its fun to study their field of work too, which could be tied in, if you see it that way. Anyway this is my experience and I am not saying that this is for everyone but I like the results that I am getting and the Abraham material has definitely play a part. Your also right about that if Jerry is in his vortex then he will be fine no matter how many people believe otherwise (according to them, and I also do believe it) However there is a huge weight on his shoulders, in addition to his recovery, because many people are thinking he let them down. If he wasn't ready for this kind of momentum and it gets to him, that is quit a strong negative feeling which could delay him feeling the way he wants and getting into the vortex. That is why I think they tried to avoid its publicity. Abraham has spoken about that too (not to this specific issue but in one of the books) and what happens when everyone start giving there attention to something, it can be harder to reverse. At the end of the day they never said they were going to live forever and he still needs to keep up with himself like everyone else has to. Who knows what ideas or thing he expanded to that now he is learning to keep up with it again. This is just a point of view on the subject.I do study and love hearing about other peoples beliefs and seeing how other people come to their own conclusions. When I say awakening (although it does sound grand/epic/cheesy lol) it seems like everyone is fighting for their beliefs and their share of the world and wouldn't it be nice if, in theory, we could learn to get along even though so many believe so differently? I think that it would be nice if everyone awakened, so to say, and found a respectful way to communicate. Not so that they convince others that they know best, but for the interaction and working together of it. With all the fighting and wars going on today it almost wouldn't seem like normal/current human behavior, a theoretical conscious evolution where people genuinely feel the empowerment of diversity. I think that's almost artistic, just look all the beautiful cultures we have on our world and their unique way they have developed.There is so much potential for great things if we can work together. And the reason each culture turned out different, I think, is because they do believe different. (kind of funny cause if you listen to everyone or at least most of them long enough, they seem to want the same thing at the end of the day: A place to call home, safety, peace, love, friendship abundance, food, health geez I almost sound like a care bare now!) It's a theory and I think Jerry and Esther have helped in trying to explain that in their own way.(not the awakening that's just what Im saying but on getting along) It would be nice to see if anyone does feel let down maybe at least they can take that out of it. The irony of it is, that by writing all this, is seems like I am trying to convince you or others of something too, lol I really don't mean for that. I'm new to blogging and I don't plan on doing it much longer, (not quite my thing) just a got little curious to see my thought out loud and have someone else comment on them. I should be careful as I don't wish to sound/be like a bigot or offend anyone and if I have then I am really sorry for doing so. I believe that in stating our opinions and interacting with others it can be a way to expand and learn, even if we feel differently. It will be very interesting to see what happens in our world in the next few years. Peace

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Hi, Kyra. "Andromeda" is another sock puppet, and this script was written by someone with a vested interest in whitewashing the scam. It's odd because the writer is obviously not aware of what Esther has taught all these years and argues points she never made and/or disagrees with. Not a good emissary, but when were the sock puppets competent? This harms their cause because it makes these defenders look even more clueless than the Pollyanna's on the Abe Forum.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Andromeda, you are not qualified to comment at length when you haven't red the bulk of the material. Like others who pony over from AHP at the best of Esther and Jerry or other management scrounging for brownie points, your prepare speil doesn't even address the question asked. That's apart from it not making much sense.To make it as clear to you as possible, since you apparently didn't even read the preceding let alone the rest of this lens, there is no conclusion drawn, pro or con, about the Law of Attraction, which my the way Esther and Jerry "borrowed" from the originators in the New Thought Movement.The question is, why didn't Jerry Hicks follow the advise his wife, posing as Abraham, has been dishing out for money for decades? Why not take what Esther has repeatedly described as the easy way while she denigrated conventional medicine?The obvious answer, of course, is that when the fit hit the shan, neither trusted in the teachings of Abraham, so-called, maybe because one or both of them made it or because they lost the thread of faith and confidence after being polluted by greed. After all, according to Abraham (Esther), all he needs is a quick afternoon with them and he's fixed. Why do through the rigors of chemo, if it's not necessary?And by the way, you might want to keep in mind that Esther and Jerry started with the updates, long before Kyra or anyone else called them out on the evasions. If they could have gotten away with the spider bite nonsense, they'd have stuck with it.They don't even have the decency to talk straight and honest about Jerry's illness and why he rejected Abraham when push came to shove. (Your last paragraph is pure horse manure and not worth bothering with.)

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Andromeda,Thanks for sharing your perspective on the situation. I would like to comment on a few things you said.Regarding your personal realizations, people have similarly believed that they came to their own, personal realizations about the reality of Hell and the judgement of God. It doesn't mean that they are correct. There are plenty of closed-loop theories that people have used their emotions to validate, so its unsurprising that people would be able to do the same with Law of Attraction (another in a long line of close-looped ideas)."I can tell all of you that have read the Abraham material and are now feeling let down by them, that if you really feel let down, then you truly don't understand what they have been teaching. "I understand that they have been telling people that these teachings are able to help them prevent and treat illness. I should warn all gurus, if you are going to promote that kind of philosophy (and present no evidence for its validity), don't be surprised when you are criticized for not being able to live it--especially when your channeled entity continually tells people how easy it is to live these ideas."I guarantee that if everyone that is thinking negatively about this would truly and genuinely see Jerry in the vortex he would heal very very fast."I studied these teachings long enough to know that--even if we were all thinking negatively about Jerry--if he got into his vortex, he would heal very fast regardless of what we chose to think about him. According to Abraham, he is the creator of his reality. We are not. Also, Abraham has said that they are able to change a person's diagnosis just by holding them in suspended attention for an afternoon. If that's the case it doesn't really matter what we think."...its also about time that you humans begin to awaken and free yourselves."Am I not addressing a human right now?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First of all, just because Jerry is going through this situation doesn't mean that law of attraction is fake or doesn't work. I myself came to the realization of law of attraction completely on my own without every reading or hearing about it. I was in astronomy class when they started talking about quantum physics and the string theory and after the lecture, I realized that since these strings of energy are vibration and depending on how they vibrate they create quarks which then create protons, neutrons and electrons which then create atoms and then you have molecules and thus everything is vibrating then everything is condensed energy. I came to many conclusions completely on my own and I realized that since everything is energy and we have energy in our body and that we also have thought waves, then if you think of something long enough then you eventually it condenses and when you can sense it with your normal five senses, it is what one would call a manifestation. I didn't have anyone tell me any of this until 4 years later I saw the secret and all of my own conclusions and theories where confirmed. Later I saw may books on law of attraction but none of them rang a bell until I saw the Abraham books. At the time I did not know that Abraham hicks was behind the secret but something inside me told me that this was thee book to get. Do you people really think that this is all a coincidence, well I know my life better than any of you and I can tell you it is not. Law of attraction is real and we don't need Esther, Jerry, Abraham or anyone else to figure it out. All the answers are inside of you if you will only be honest with yourself and look. I personally am grateful for all of Abraham/Hicks work since it has helped me with my own studies and research of what I have found out for myself. I can tell all of you that have read the Abraham material and are now feeling let down by them, that if you really feel let down, then you truly don't understand what they have been teaching. As you move on in life, life causes you to grow and with that you pick up speed. As Abraham has said you must keep up with who you are in order to stay afloat so to say. And none of you can accurately judge Jerry and say that he or Esther is a fraud because none of you know what jerry is going through vibrationally/emotionally. Next, Abraham has said that it is best to follow the path of less resistance and if Jerry feels that the path of less resistance is a doctor than he IS following Abrahams advise. Abraham is not a religion for you to follow but instead a teacher of the laws of the universe. If you feel let down then maybe its because you put your faith in them and not in your own creative power. Don't limit yourself because of what others (in this case Jerry) can or can't do. And finally How can you possibly even question the fact that Esther and Jerry are being as discreet as possible when if you have been reading there books you should know that coming out publicly with this would be very bad for Jerry's vibration. Thee amount of attention from all the people finding this out is not good and makes it harder for Jerry to change his vibration. The more you people give your negative attention to this the more you add to that negative vibration, daaahhh!!! I guarantee that if everyone that is thinking negatively about this would truly and genuinely see Jerry in the vortex he would heal very very fast. I have been doing research on this kind of material for a long time and the amount of pressure that Esther and Jerry hicks have endured by coming out publicly with this kind of material is tremendous. Most of you don't know what that is like. Personally I am amazed at how well they have kept themselves for so long and I do believe that if Jerry can find the will to make it through his own spiritual journey then he will be healed. Personally I think that for their own well being they should of never taught this material publicly. Its a lot to be on that spot light, but its also about time that you humans begin to awaken and free yourselves. If you hold Esther and Jerry accountable then you are holding yourself back from your true potential. We are at a critical point in human history, we cannot afford to live in the way that we have been living and we must evolve into superior enlightened beings. May you all be blessed and Jerry, may you soon be healed.

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      JenniferUnderwood 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Oh wow. thank you for your post. I was in a horrid situation a few years ago where i was living in an rv and miserable hanging onto some shred of hope. my friend was highly dramatic and suicidal all the time and it was impossible to stayin alignment when you feel like you are dying yourself. i went on LOA forums only to have people curse me with their self righteousness and be cruel that i am not in alignment. thanks to their pushing and me being my own enemy my health deteriorated, i never got anything iw anted, and i know live with my parents the past three years, struggling with health issues. thanks a lot LOA'ers for not giving a crap, and not having any compassion. they made me feel like everything i did was wrong.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Where, angie, did you see any objection to making money? As I've written elsewhere and repeat: I hope Jerry and Esther make enough to afford baths in liquified cash. It makes no difference to me.And you will also not find any argument against the "law of attraction," but that really isn't your game. Like all the others, including you, I believe, using a different name, who come here on a mission to defend "the teachings," your making an inappropriate comment at the very beginning of the lens, without reading the material, gives you away.What I'm writing about, to be clear, is what seems to be a questionable initiative to beat around the bush about Jerry's illness because straight talk about it would blow away most of their cash-paying followers by showing that much of what Esther has repeated for the last ten years is hogwash. And having spent my life in business, I object to Abraham-Hicks or any other enterprise running a scam operation or hoodwinking customers, just to get cash. Personally, I would rather flip burgers than resort to lying and conning people to make money. Unlike Esther Hicks, I can still look at myself in the mirror without blushing.And, by the way, I do have a book, A Million Different Things: Meditations of The World's Happiest Man, with a very positive message about conscious awareness and the importance of focusing on your intentions.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I don't know that Abraham promised ever lasting life and no sickness. I was wondering if Esther is immune to sickness. I will stick by the teaching, I think it's wonderful, and I do believe the law of attraction works, as it's worked in my life. I believe it's okay for them to make money from this message. What would you rather them do? Flip burgers so they can't travel and uplift people? If you had a great message I would buy your book too.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You are always welcome here, Fred. You have some challenges, obviously, and difficult decisions to make. I think you and Jerry made the right ones, and I hope both of you bounce back with strength and energy.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, I appreciate the info. I admit, I am scared. I feel I have an excellent onocologist. I didn't think twice about seeing the onocologist when diagnoised and starting treatment. Not sure why, possibly the survival instinct kicking in. This recent round of chemo seems harder than the previous one. I am staying with it. Won't stop me from reading and inquiring. I appreciate your allowing me to post my questions and comments.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I love you. I hope you die soon.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Hi, Fred. Google picks the videos based on keywords. The videos are mainly those posted by Abraham-Hicks. They have someone they pay well to produce them. They are produced for promotions, but I felt it was fair to let them have their say in their own words. Maybe they're right, and I'm wrong. You decide. I had nothing else of their to show, except the books, of course.In their books, in which Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires is the primary resource, they are clear that you bring illness into your life with your thoughts (can't get there any other way) and that, conversely, you can bring yourself perfect health within thirty days simply by changing your thoughts and vibrations, no doctors needed. Even as they reaffirmed this in many recorded sessions that are publicly available, if you want to pay for them, they've sidestepped liability by adding that taking medication is okay if you feel that it's "nourishing," whatever that means.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I played the link you posted. Either it isn't the link intended or I am getting something different from it. I didn't hear Esther (aka Abe) say not to go to the doctor. That the doctor and Abe's teachings could compliment each other and bring this individual comfort. The message I left with is it is okay to go to the doctor, but it was actually the person's choice. I bookmarked it and replay again a few days to see if I hear anything different. I appreciate your sharing.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Sue,That is the same reason I got out of that scene. It turns people into insensitive, arrogant narcissists. The way this woman reacted to your shoulder injury and then ignored you when you used her own logic on her situation is exactly why there are people defending Jerry for using chemotherapy. I think the term for that is cognitive dissonance. If a 'regular' A-H follower said they are going to use chemotherapy to fight illness they would get a completely different reaction. Jerry deserves compassion for what he's going through, but so does everyone else who is ill. And medical treatment. Abraham says you have to wait for the person to come up to your vibration, that you shouldn't join someone in their vibration of illness. And that you could have every disease known to man and heal it within 30 days by shifting vibration. And:"There is a truth of cancer, and a truth of wellness. Which truth serves you? You can activate either within you, and make it your truth."Why do people act as if Abraham never said this?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Risk,It appears that you are not one who has spent much time in regular contact as part of a group of A-H followers, because you have COMPASSION. I applaud you, because blaming people for whatever befell them as something they attracted, is part of the creed. That would include Jerry's suffering.As for the help they have given, I discontinued interaction with my local A-H contacts because they were living in a narcissistic fantasy netherworld. I couldn't stand it anymore.The final straw for me was when, after a long road to recovery from a shoulder injury, I was at a lunch with a group and I remarked on how happy I was because my shoulder was doing so well. This woman shot back at me that if I were in vibrational alignment I would have a perfect shoulder, and that it was because I was out of the vortex that It wasn't perfectly and completely healed now. In other words, I was flawed, I really wasn't doing that good, and it was "my fault." Forgive me Lord, but at some point later she mentioned that something in her life was less than perfect and she was working on it. I felt less than truthful because I DON'T follow that stupid creed, but I pounced on the Instant Karma chance to point out to HER that "she must not be in the vortex because it would be perfect." Of course she said nothing.Again, to your comment about how much help they have given. Yes, the power of positive attitude is a fact, but I see a lot of harm in the Abe teachings. Do you know some people have suffered serious illnesses, even died, from disorders that could've been treated with early intervention? I have to tell you, by their own teachings "Abe" would take issue with you in the hot seat, as they call it, with your very comment that it's possible Jerry's body has suffered. It is not possible in their philosophy, do you know that?. In reality, yes. But their solution is to deny reality and create this feel good fantasy reality that will somehow manifest. Read "The Emperor's New Clothes."

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      The reason people do get something positive out of A-H is because a person under stress can't utilize their immune system the way they can when in a relaxed state. So getting people to not stress out can be a wonderful thing and can be healing, not just for physical symptoms but even for emotional problems. You can take a step back and look at the situation with a lot more clarity if you're not seriously stressing out. That's the placebo effect, but it only goes so far. People don't tend to cure themselves of something like cancer just by the placebo effect. The people who've gotten something of value from A-H tend to blind themselves to the fact that it doesn't work to the extent that Esther claims. And that is where their message gets dangerous. The whole "It's waiting for you in vibrational alignment/vortex" is kind of like a carrot on a stick that keeps people coming back and not noticing that their not really getting anywhere.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Here's what "Abe" said about health challenges, to another person. (see link) Very sad to see Leukemia happen to anyone. So, according to their way of teaching, Jerry atracted this to himself, and rather than vortex himself out of it he's getting 38 chemo treatments right now? Anyone else see how dangerous this A-H philosophy is, on so many levels? Guilt, shame, for starters. I've long felt like Abe- Hicks people needed to read "The Emperor's New Clothes." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1urtVlmozk

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I am here because I have leukemia. I am also a student of Abraham Hicks. I had heard that Jerry had leukemia and I have an interest in how he is doing and managing his cancer. Early this week, my doctor informed me of shortages for some of the drugs needed for treatment. The doctor said there aren't many alternatives. This has created a desire in me for more information. Maybe the shortage isn't a bad thing. Maybe it will create new ways to treat this disease. I hope that is the case. I apologize for this being so poorly written. Since starting treatments, I feel as if my brain is in a constant fog. I have just started reading the lens on these topics. As I make may way through the lens and their segments, I may add comment or ask questions.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymouswuzzawoman: I hope you can see how Jon has taken this thread complete off question asked, which was, "Why are you here?"You are welcome to your opinions, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but this thread needs to return to the question and not be the platform for other opinions. There are, for example, opportunities later in the lens for your comments about Esther and Jerry or what I would call your excuses for them, which was probably your main intent to begin with. Other lensmasters have their own articles about Kubler-Ross on which you can discourse on the that subject. Please try not to weigh down this lens with a bunch of material that is, at best, only slightly related. Thanks.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymouswuzzawoman: First, I am fairly sure Jon is an A-H shill. Under Jerry Hicks guidance, anonymous emissaries are sent out to try to squelch criticism. One of the obvious cues is that they launch their attacks at the first opportunity on the lens, establishing that they haven't actually read the content. They also usually don't respond appropriately to the question. What I was trying to do with Jon is to stop him from gumming up the lens by adding irrelevant information that would distract other readers from going further. It's a tactic, and I need to maintain the integrity of the lens.It wasn't a bad day, but I do find the A-H emissaries, of which there has been quite a barrage, irritating.

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      anonymouswuzzawoman 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Ouch! David! As a first time visitor (to both squidoo & your lens), did I miss something? (Yes, Jon's post WAS hard to read, so I very well may have.) Your comment struck me as a little harsh, no? (I'm genuinely asking.) Need I be worried about receiving such a vituperative reply (from you) to the reply I just posted to Jon? (Is he really a "shill" for the Hicks? Are there other posts by him where he's acted as such?) I sincerely hope not, coz I really *do* enjoy your lens, but should it be the case, consider me "gone." (PS: I literally SAID "Ouch," aloud, after reading your reply. Maybe he just caught you on a "bad day?" ["She wrote, hoping..."]) Peace, Brother!

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      anonymouswuzzawoman 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jon, Just a little error in your post needs correction, lest those going THRU the various stages of "Death & Dying" feel they're "strange" or "different" in some way. (They've enough on their plate w/o adding *that* to the mix, yes?) Having studied w/ Dr. (Elizabeth Kubler) Ross & been privvy to the original research that lead to her groundbreaking work on the dying "process," the stages (5 not 6) of D & D are remembered via the acronym DABDA: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression & Acceptance. Contrary to your post, they are neither experienced by "ALL" (tho' virtually all experience at least a few) nor are they ALWAYS experienced in that particular order. It all depends on the individual as well as his/her particular circumastances and/or attitude/s, developed over his/her life. An elderly, isolated person, who's lost all they ever cared about may be thrilled to learn their time is up and go directly to the "Acceptance" stage. No denial, anger, bargaining or depression at all, simply "let go" and die easily -- ready for their next "phase" (if s/he believes in an afterlife). Someone whose just begun a new business venture and has high hopes for the future (or new parents or newlyweds or a young person), THEY would be prime candidates for going thru all five... but again, every one is different. Someone w/ a strong belief system might not experience all the stages, trusting in whatever "higher purpose his/her "God" may have in store" and thus bypass a stage or two and/or even go directly to "Acceptance" & spend their remaining time seeing to the needs of the "others" in their lives, to make their passing easier. Someone w/ good results from their first round of chemo -- or have experiences w/ people who successfully fought the same disease and beat it -- might also affect their attitude (and thereby "stages")... It ALL depends on the individual. Lastly, the stages are not necessarilly experienced in that order but, more frequently than not, the person may jump around a bit, going from denial to bargaining &, when whatever they'd offered as *their* part of the bargain had been "rejected" (due to a downturn in their condition) "backtrack" to the anger phase. (But it's really NOT a "backtracking" unless one INSISTS upon there *being* such an order.) More often than not, the patient may experience all 5 stages, but it's more likely (using the acronymn) DAADABADABAABDDA, etc. (For a sec, I almost wrote "abba dabba doo", but thought better of it! :-) As far as the Hicks' and Abraham are concerned? It matters not a WHIT to me whether it's a "scam" or not. That the info has been around for THOUSANDS (not hundreds) of years makes no difference NOR does their having made "bookoos" from it. What DOES matter is that what they've been "preaching" has led to the changing of hundreds of thousands of lives -- mostly for the better -- and that's ALL that matters. Every "Truth Seeker" finds his/her own Path and that Path may include many different Teachers and many different ways. I'm not a fool. I, too, heard/saw the inconsistencies in the A-H ways, teachings and methods, but much of what *I* took away (w/o paying a DIME, I might add) has literally changed my life for the better. I'd heard many ppl mention my "negativity" was getting in the way of my life (after a series of life traumas, I found having the "rug pulled out from under me" too disturbing and life-wrenching" to not "prepare for the worst," but the message that got THRU to me, was the one spoken by Abraham. I used to say (knowing meditation is beneficial), "it's easier to get a cat to sit on a hot plate than for me to learn to meditate..." and had PURCHASED various guided meditation exercises... but was the A-H's guide that finally enabled me to DO SO and I have been seeing the results. As Oprah said, in her 3-part interview, "It's the *marketing* of the message that has made Abraham's Teachings spread like wildfire..." (paraphrased) and she is RIGHT! What works for one may not work for another and Abraham worked for me. A million dollar baby? Certainly. But does that make the product any less valuable? Not a bit. *I* say we all stop criticizing Esther and Jerry (AND "ABRAHAM") and send them all the positive vibrations we can muster. As a cancer survivor myself, I know how terrifying it CAN be as well as what they are facing. *Abraham* is "the diaphamous mist" :-), while Esther and Jerry are human and have never claimed to be otherwise. Not only is Esther (who freely admitted to the feeling of terrible loss at the death of her parents) facing the possible loss of her Dear/est Jerry, but her livelihood, as well... while Jerry, for ALL their talk of "The Vortex", etc., is living "with the spectre of Death, sitting on his left shoulder..." every minute of his day (w/ or w/o Abraham). Let's get OVER the "yeah, but they SAID...." and deal w/ reality. Two people, w/ all the same faults and foibles as all of us, facing the possibility of the next phase of one's "life", the "Eternal Unknown," Death. (Even those who've experienced OBE's and "Dying," seeing the tunnel, the white light and returning, such as *I*, *still* feel some trepidation where dying is concerned. ["Will I suffer much before?" "Will it be the same as the LAST time?" "Have I done something in the 'in between' my last death and this one that will affect my last and final "Transition?" etc.) Neither Esther or Jerry ever claimed to be "in the Vortex" (I prefer Joseph Campbell's 'Bliss' to Vortex) 100% of the time. A little compassion, people!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: "....he is elderly, somewhere between 87 and 91,..." It might help if you had his correct age. Yes, I do know. I am in the process of writing something about him and have documents that show his correct age and other vitals. The info I have required me traveling to specific locations to obtain and digging into some dusty archives. Internet wasn't useful. Not ready to share anymore just yet.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Risk Winsor, if you took the same care to learn what they've been preaching for years (or even read this lens before adding your zany comment), you'd know that Esther and Jerry rode from town to town for years in a bus with a sign that said, "Life Is Supposed To Be Fun."They mocked strenuous efforts for achievement, saying that your "vibrational countenance" was what brought wealth or anything else, not hard work. Why would they contradict "Abraham's teaching," just to deliver them. Makes no sense."Never wavering on giving...?" Where have you been? Esther and Jerry Hicks are so down on giving, they brag about not even doling out money to charities. They have become very wealthy while giving. More power to them, but let's keep reality in focus.The reality is, frankly, that Esther and Jerry always worked hard at running this spiritual business, even as they claimed to be having a lark. They are smart, creative business people. Successful, too. Altruists they are not.Esther and Jerry Hicks have left a trail of damaged relationships in their wake. There is plenty that none of us have published yet, but I can assure you, the persona you are trying to create of them here is far from the truth.They are real people with real lives. Jerry seemed to thrive on his successes at Abraham Hicks, although Esther's getting all the attention did chaff on him. He is sick now, although he shouldn't be according to "Abraham's teaching" because he is elderly, somewhere between 87 and 91, and of course, time takes a toll on any body...which, again, is contrary to the teaching.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Jerry and Esther have served a needy public for over 25 years with rigorous scheduling. Never wavering on giving, is it possible that Jerry's body has suffered? Is it possible that the desire to bring Abraham's teaching to the public often took precedence in their mind over other more basic health considerations.? Why would some jump to critique them after all the help they have provided so many instead of sharing just a touch of the compassion the Hicks have given for years.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: And not to beat a dead horse but offering complementary - fill in the blank- is not a new concept. Airlines, restaurants, seminars etc. do it all the time when a cancellation inconveniences a patron.Yeah, I should definitely write the HIcks. They may have not heard about this (rolling eyes).

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Nicely put. He's clever, but if you read back, you'll see that he never addresses the issue. He was sent over to do his best to damp the criticism. I guess disappearing Jerry hasn't worked so well.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Masterful evasiveness, Jon. That you are trying repeated to change the subject away from Esther and Jerry Hicks irresponsible conduct is noted. You volunteer advice for all of us you believe not as wise or informed as yourself. At the same time, you come off as an argumentative jerk who will never be pinned down by facts he (and his handlers) don't like. This lens has nothing to do with people losing money. Clarity mentioned it as a grievance in her comment, and you seized on it as a chance to change the subject to something you think you are superior in arguing about. Had you ever read the whole lens, you'd know that you are wasting your time.Since you claim to be an insider with Esther and Jerry, I asked you to pass along some information and to clarify the insurance issue. You can't, of course, because you are not an insider but a poop boy trotted out to clean up the mess their scam has created for him. They haven't figured a way out of the hole they dug themselves; so, they keep sending people like you to try to find a way. Nice try.Try to stick to the subject, if you'd like to comment in the future, or I will delete you. And try to appreciate the magic of paragraph breaks. They make reading so much easier.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: DaveStone13 said~Clarity, I'm afraid Jon's ploy got you.~Um, are you saying Dave I bought in hook, line and stinker *wink*

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jon, thanks for your reply. It was not I that flew over from tim buck two but others. You can rationalize this all you want, ballet being canceled bc dancers sick etc but lets take this into the context of Jerrys own words okay? Jerry has said on numerous occasions that he had already made his fortune with Amway, millions in his own words. Jerry has said he just wanted to bring this message to the world and since he had already made his millions making money off Abe was not the intention. After the movie The Secret he and Ester recount how the money increase was so huge it even surprised them. So, we can agree that they both are very wealthy. They knew the potential of having to cancel workshops. Workshops were can celled at the last minute and people incurred financial loss. Regardless of ballet analogies etc, if your primary intention is to bring this message to the world and you are such loving people then would not the loving thing be to offer at the very least free passes for some workshops either in person or live at the persons discretion? What you are offering me is rationalizations for what I consider to be bad form. I know a lot of business owners and they dictate their own polices. Some treat the customers so well they are an example of consideration. Others treat the customers like they are just a means to an end. When the Hicks realized workshops would have to be cancelled, even if they didn't realize it till the last minute (which I dont believe) all they had to do was tell their staff to make sure everyone who was left hanging be compensated fairly bc it was the right thing to do. Even if the Hicks did not want to offer compensation in a monetary manner (which they are perfectly able to do with in their own words millions) they were in a position to offer free passes. That you are trying to gloss over this egregious oversight with analogies to ballets is rather insulting to any kind of intelligent thinking. Didn't Abe say over and over we are lovers by nature? Their actions are not loving. Period, end of story. I do not believe it is up to me to write Jerry and Ester and point out what constitutes responsible business practices. She and Jerry are adults and should have learned by now how to act in an honorable manner. Its not like Jerry is a novice when it comes to business. Then again if you look at the business ethic of Amway then how Jerry handles the Abe business makes perfect sense. Just to make this perfectly clear, free passes would have cost them NOTHING.As far as HIPAAwhat a crock. You must think those of us here can't think.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      David, we could go round and round all day. I feel those who feel they have a grievance with the staff's handling of cancelations should write to Jerry and Esther. As for their financial information that is theirs to disclose just as you have the right to disclose yours. Keep in mind having the means to cover your medical doesn't necessary mean it is traditional insurance, there are MSA and HSA or just having the money. So if you wish to ask Jerry and Esther about their finances you are welcome to do so. So having said that you might want to take a more in depth look at what HIPAA covers and Financial Privacy Laws. Keep in mind that in addition to the Federal Laws there are also State laws in place. Many people control their health, many do so without following the Abraham teachings. So with that thought does that mean all these people who work to control their health or greedy and evil when the time comes that something goes wrong. I reread Jerry's post about the spider bite and chemo. I didn't perceive that he was claiming that the chemo was for the spider bite, but then I guess to each their own interpretation. Anyway, I suggest those wishing to form their own opinion reread it a couple of times. As for me stepping up to apologize for Jerry and Esther, I fail to see how you managed to derive that from my comments and questions. But okay, we will allow you the fantasy if that allows you to feel good and find meaning to attacking those who ask questions or have differing opinions. I thank God that I live in the United States and that I have the right to express my opinions and ask questions. Could you imagine if you lived somewhere that wouldn't allow you to post your comments and views or allow you to have a differing opinion? I will stand by the fact that I feel that if anyone was truly injured or hurt by Jerry and Esther as a result of Jerry's unplanned illiness and hospitalization or the cancelations they write a letter to them and politely tell them how they were hurt or injured. If it is about someone having to pay money to travel and not getting reimbursed by the airline or hotel, well there is travel insurance. People get really emotional and not always rationally so when it comes to money and finances. If you doubt my word on this call and ask anyone who works in the finanical or risk management world. My guess is that Jerry and Esther could have utilized a good risk management plan, something that many small business have failed to have. Take a look at small businesses in areas impacted by fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, pandemics, employee or customer injury, or owner's having serious health issues (such as cancer or heart attacks) to see this. Ahhh, yes we can all say that Abraham failed, and maybe he did. Others might say that these acts were a result of God's Wrath, Allah, or any other number of demi gods or powers that people may follow. That is probably why I, personally try to steer clear of deity worship of any type. Although, some would say that by my steering clear is not a good thing, but so far it has worked for me. I will periodically check in to see if you or your followers have made contact with Jerry and Esther to resolve the financial concerns that resulted from not being able to attend a seminar and the fact that a couple and their family are still struggling with a major health concern. For there to be credibility of this claim these individuals need to provide this information to Jerry and Esther themselves. Just as an FYI, many people with major health concerns such as cancer (and this includes their family members and friends) go through the following stages in this order before accepting: denial, anger, fear, stress, loneliness, depression, and hope. It really doesn't matter which deity or demi god or non-god they follow. They may not all be in the same stages at the same time, which adds to much of this. May I suggest that those who disagree with this spend a few weeks volunteering at a hospital or treatment center. (off topic a little, I don't suppose you could enlarge this box so that it is easier to key info into, read what is in there and even a spell checker).... Have a wonderful July, you are an intriguing man, David...

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jerry Hicks is the CEO of Abraham-Hicks and a public figure who showed no HIPAA concerns when he (or someone posing as Jerry) tried to palm off his illness as a spider bite. Besides, HIPAA is about protecting patient privacy rights. No one is asking for Jerry Hicks medical records. He and Esther are being asked to explain how his illness fits into the teachings that have earned them millions and why they tried to hard to disguise it. Another pertinent issue would have to do with health insurance. Esther and Jerry have said, since they followed Abraham's teachings and controlled their health through proper thinking, that they do not bother with health insurance. Is that true? Are they paying for this medical care out of pocket, or was that just another humdinger from A-H.Jon, you stepped up as an apologist for whatever Esther and Jerry chose to do. Your impression of them may be as fair as any, but I can tell you they are held in a much less esteemed view by former friends and associates who believed they were victimized out of simple greed. That said, if you are close to Esther and Jerry, as you say, please let them know that a lot of followers who believed what Abraham-Hicks told them about illness are baffled at the apparent contradiction and their refusal to help them understand. This would be a valuable service to people who have followed and trusted them for years. Of course, Esther and Jerry do not believe in providing service to others (unless, like Jim Carey, they pay huge fees for it privately); so, I'm guessing that they will leave them all hanging anyway. Maybe you can explain to them why it's a bad thing to do. They aren't going to get it on their own.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      clarity - workshops, seminars, conferences, shows and concerts are frequently canceled at the last minute for the reason of illiness or natural disaster. As to why you aren't hearing more ask the person on the inside that is providing information. Maybe it is something called HIPAA. I provided David more insight into my questions in an earlier post and he was very candid and honest in his response which I appreciated. David you are welcome to share what I shared with you earlier if you wish to do so. I asked a question and made a comment because I am seeking a better understanding of what is behind the hurt and anger. As I stated to David I try to include in my the practice of "do onto others" and two wrongs don't make a right." How would you have handled rude staff had this been tickets for the NY Ballet and the performance had been canceled due to the majority of the performers experiencing the flu or your reservations had gone missing for your dinner at the restaurant in downtown San Francisco? Possibly you should sit down and write a letter and let Esther know what occurred and who you spoke with. As for as the medical aspects of coming clean.... in the United States there is a law called HIPAA. I would pursume that even though Jerry and Esther own AH, they are also covered by that privacy law. I don't imagine that any business can be held responsible for hotel or airline policies that they don't have some type of contractual arrangement with. You should call the airlines or hotel and see what you can work out with them.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Clarity, I'm afraid Jon's ploy got you. Whoever sent him (and he made a nearly identical comment elsewhere), he is trying to change the subject, i.e., Esther and Jerry Hicks unwillingness to come clean to their followers. (These comments always come early, although there are more chances to comment later on, suggesting that these guys aren't even reading, just performing a service.)He never addresses that, of course, but comes up with other statements designed to catch your attention or to turn the conversation personal and evade the meat of the subject that way.As these initiatives expand, they become more transparent as the similarity in approach is more apparent. All I can say is, we've got their attention.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jon, you are continuing a trend of writers using pseudonyms who come to lens critical of Esther and Jerry Hick and respond in a way that does not address the subject of the lens, but instead, they try to raise personal issues to gain sympathy for them. You say you are not a follower, but I don't believe you. The patterns are too consistent, here and elsewhere.Whether I am angry or not is irrelevant, but I do see that raised as a way to discredit the information as a regular tactic. You use this diversion to suggest some confusion over religious freedom of choice. What on Earth does that have to do with the subject of the article, which is Esther and Jerry Hicks efforts to dodge the issue that Jerry has a disease (which they still won't admit) that would seem to undermine the usefulness of their teachings. Similarly, I couldn't care less if Esther and Jerry "are close to others who are not followers of their teachings." What difference would that make? I can assure you that I have multiple close associates of theirs contacting me and portraying them as not all loving. In fact, they are well known to have cruelly crushed close associates in disputes, usually over money. The rest of your touchy-feely comments have nothing to do with the subject of the lens, not surprise because you did not come here to make a case for the public conduct in question. You came to help get sympathy for them, as a tool. I don't think you'll have much success, but you might.The reason you are unlikely to find success with this ploy is that the evidence is apparent to everyone that Esther and Jerry Hicks, whatever they once were, are now extreme narcissists who are not in spirit, even if they keep chugging along to make sales based on past history. They don't even have enough respect for the intelligence of their followers to tell them the truth or the empathy to let others suffering diseases that, according to Esther Hicks, they gave themselves, but confessing that it isn't all that simple.Oh, and by the way, I hope Jerry recovers from his bout with leukemia in sparkling health and has many more years to live. I also hope he returns to public life filled with new insights and compassion. I hope everyone, even those who feel they have been cheated by him, will pray for his full recovery.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: While you are struggling with lack of empathy for these loving people please explain the lack of empathy these loving people had for Abers who flew from overseas (for one) and from all parts of this country for a workshop that was canceled the night before. Not only was the office staff less than kind but these Abers who had gone thru great expense to come to a workshop were not even offered some free passes to future workshops (or Live events). I personally do not consider that loving. The Hicks are getting scorn because it is all about money to them. I don't care that they make money giving workshops and cruises. People are not forced to attend. What I do mind is that the Hicks have a refund policy for customers but offer nothing in case they cancel.All changes and cancellations to reservations will be charged a $20 processing fee.Any reservation cancelled less than three business days prior to the event is non-refundable. A reservation may be transferred to someone else for a $20 processing fee.You tell me how loving this is. Any idea what the airfare is to fly from overseas? Not to mention hotel, food, transportation etc? Not one dime or free workshops were offered in compensation. Yes we do live in a society that allows choice of beliefs. I believe that the Hicks are about money and only money period. Not only was it unethical to deceive ppl as to the true nature of Jerrys illness but it was unethical how the cancellations were handled.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I am struggling with the lack of empathy in the articles that have been written on this site regarding Jerry Hicks having cancer. There is also implication that Jerry and Esther aren't close to or loved by anyone other than those who follow the Abraham teachings. I am not a follower of their teachings, but I am willing to allow that there may be other sources out there (call them what you like, Abraham, Seth, Sai Baba, Budha, Isis...). I sense some anger in these writings. Somehow, anger may be causing you to overlook that we live in a society that allows choice of beliefs. I can tell you that Jerry and Esther are close to others who are not followers of their teachings. They are very loving people. You may not have experienced that from them, which is sad. When people are ill or hurt they turn to those they love and who love them (family and friends, their inner circle) to create a circle of positive prayer, meditation, energy source of healing love and strength.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: A group of us are waiting and guessing. What I think will happen, based on experience, is that, should Jerry Hicks survive this bout with cancer, they will say it was a lesson that proved the point and discuss it no further. If he doesn't make it, they've dug their way into such a deceptive hole, they may just have to disappear him, a process that has, ominously, begun already.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Jumped here from a related link, from curiosity about what steps they'll take next.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Good point. Just for the record, the more recent comments by Km and KarmaGrace seem clearly to be part of an organized effort to deflect criticism by giving true believers something to hang onto. It's consistent across over a half-dozen critical blog articles, and the thing is, they are so tactless, they park their comments at the beginning, responding to something to not in the article that follows, proving that they've never read the information but were sent here for one purpose only.Too bad they are so inept.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      "But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." --Carl Sagan

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Um, I dont hear Abe say its a struggle. Seems like according to Abe the Hicks get back in pretty quick. If they do get ootv its over minor things like a room full of mementos or Jerry messing up Esters purse. Certainly nothing as heavy duty as being ootv for so long, struggling so much to create leukemia.Besides Abe says~"We could take an example of the person who is noted by medical doctors to be the sickest of the sick, and if we could hold them in suspended attention for an afternoon, their diagnosis would change."2003/05/17 Boston, MAAnd who would have more access to Abe everyday than Jerry?

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, that's predictable because you, like KarmaGrace, whoever that really is, never read the lens before commenting. As a result, you addressed issues never raised. The cumulative effect of people like you are trying to lay strategic excuses for Esther and Jerry's Hicks dishonesty and evasions, here and on other blogs that have criticized the Hicks marketing machine, is to suggest an organized effort to try to change the subject by laying grounds for sympathy, trying to evade the real issues, which are: 1) Lying about Jerry Hicks cancer; never admitting he has it; working hard to keep up the happy go lucky facade the Hicks team tries uses to convince people that Esther and Jerry are different than what they portray themselves to be.Perhaps, like David Gordon, you are compensated by them to do their work as a front in creating an image that sells. Maybe you have another motive. But if you hope to convince anyone that this is more than that evasive scam behavior these two phonies are famous for, you need to actually make a valid case, not just punch up the marketing gizmos, then hide behind a pseudonym.These people got trapped by their own gimmicks, and they know it. They have no legitimate defense, and either of them or their cohorts had an ounce of humanity in them, they would come clean with the truth and help dozens of others in the process.Don't hold your breath. They aren't going to do it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I agree with you karma :). On a side note, in several of Ester and Jerry's talks they openly admit that they too struggle to keep themselves in vibrational harmony. Just because they teach it doesn't mean they're immune from ever being put of alignment.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Yes, Kyra. It was obvious. The effort was so lame and weird, no real person could have come up with this. It was created with a specific goal in mind: Make poor Esther and Jerry Hicks gain sympathy by seeming to be martyrs. Now, who would think up something like that and hope to gain from it. Let me see... Hm...

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: People who are so eager to copy/paste are always a little suspicious to me, and KarmaGrace has reminded me why. If you go to the Wikipedia entry on Galileo, you will see that KarmaGrace has actually plagiarized much of his/her comment from said entry. Here is what I've found that has been plagiarized:" * Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[50]* He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[51] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.* His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.[52]" - Wikipedia entry on Galileo GalileiKarmaGrace, in not crediting the Wikipedia entry as the source, you are plagiarizing. Me and Dave (Dave, let me know if I'm wrong here), being writers ourselves, are not fans of people who lift other people's works without crediting their source. It is unethical and lazy.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Kyra, you're not giving whoever KarmaGrace might be enough credit. He or she is a genius of copy and paste, having made the exact comment on a half-dozen lenses without reading the content. The more I look at it, the more it looks like a managed initiative. Just doesn't read like a real person. The intent to make Esther and Jerry appear the victims of heartless people like you and me.Hey, it's the first time I've ever been formally connected with a pope. I guess I should be proud.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey, KarmaGrace, love the name. I would like to point out, however, that your comment seems to be a summary of the Galileo Gambit. You seem to be saying, "Galileo was persecuted, and he was right, so if Abraham is persecuted, then they are also right." This is no different than saying, "There was a man who got hit by a car on the way to the supermarket, so since I am on the way to the supermarket, I will get hit by a car." Just as there will be plenty of people who go to the supermarket without getting hit by a car, there will be plenty of people who are persecuted for their ideas who are not right.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Will there ever come a time in human existence when we will be able to conquer our own fears, cynicism. Will we ever stop hunting witches? Will we ever learn from the past? There was a time when man firmly believed that the Sun revolves around the Earth. Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life. His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.Galileo is today considered to be the Father of Modern Science. During any paradigm shift there is always the severe ridicule, then comes the vehement protest against the shift and finally the acceptance....until the next big shift in human consciousness and awareness.May God have mercy on all who wish these people ill-will, and mock and slander them. I cannot speak for their personal characters, but all I know is that they literally saved my life with a single video clip. May those who point fingers not live to regret their judgments upon others.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting thoughts. Who knows where it will lead, but I don't see any way for them back to the mellow place that once attracted so many of us. Cheers. Thanks.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Dave, this is a wonderful post and I hope brokenhearted sees it someday. I was thinking how the Abe teachings used to begoing downstream. Now that makes perfect sense. Nature follows the path of least resistance, you see it when you observe nature, you see it referenced in so many books of antiquity, ie the I Ching for just one. By following that path of least resistance you do line up with things that go in the direction you are wanting to go. Ive seen it work in my own life. Even if Im trying to fix something mechanical and I just can't get it right the best thing for me to do is do something else. When I tackle the fixit project again I see a solution that I could not see before. It wasn't until Jerry was unsuccessful in copywriting LOA (the patent office basically laughed at him) that he came up with the new whiz bangVortex of Attraction. That started a landslide of ITV and OOTV, all the finger pointing when someone was out of the vortex bs. The very concept of get in the vortex implies pass/fail. No wonder so many Abers are struggling now more than ever.But the old message, be easy about this, make peace with where you are at, follow the path of least resistance is gone. Even though some of the words may be the same its a huge pass/fail mentality. Instead of life being a journey it has become destination basedget in your vortex.Thank you for your most informative post. Know what I wish? I wish Ester takes some time to find herself and then work on helping her daughter heal the damage done to her by a messy divorce and the stepfather from hell. Im not dismissing Esters part in this ruse but you're never too old to admit your mistakes and start on a new path. Its never too late to become the parent you should have been. Ester has not been a good mom and its time she started. She should take Abes advice and have a fresh start now.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: brokenhearted, I read the thread on the AbeForum. David Gordon thinks he has me blocked out, but I can read anything I want, anytime I want over there.My first questions was, why are Earth are you going to these cult-thinking airheads for answers. All they know is the standard mantra, and although they've learned not to use the words, the truth is that, when you are struggling, it's all your fault. You're not letting it in. More likely, you've been conned by Esther Hicks into think it's easy, and when that doesn't work, they have a built in mechanism to accuse you, not the failing teachings.Let me share something with you. I have several friends who are on the inside with Esther and Jerry or once were. They will tell you that Jerry Hicks illness is not the only thing they've mislead people about. First of all, that "life is supposed to be easy" junk they sell has not applied to them. They have had lots of tension for a long time between Jerry and Tracey (Esther's daughter) for his coming between her parents to nab his fifth (!) marriage. Meanwhile, Jerry is resentful toward Esther because she gets all the credit, and he's like a hired hand. Go back to some of their books and stories, and you will see Esther bending over backward to mollify the touchy, unappreciated Jerry.Esther herself has long shared her unhappiness with her daughter about the relentless money grubber she's married to keeps them on the road too much and she misses time with her only child and her grandchildren. What they sell is a facade.The worst of it is something you will appreciate. Rather than kicking back and just letting it in, as they preach, Esther and Jerry both work their butts off to accumulate their millions. I don't care about their money anymore than I care about Donald Trump's, but I do care that they mislead vulnerable people to get it. Comments like yours simply sadden me because you should be giving yourself a little room to maneuver. Fail a little, then get back in the saddle. Life isn't so short, and miracle formulas never deliver. You have the answer. You love music. If so, you respect a career in music enough to know it takes time, effort and risks. Since this isn't about me, I'll spare you the stories of how many times I've landed on my ass and doubted myself. Experience may hurt, but it's the best way to learn. And what more could life ever be about than having experiences, all kinds of experiences? But do me one favor, please. Don't get down on yourself. There is nothing wrong with you. I had to learn it the hard way after a lot of wasted time. Now, get your pride and self-respect up and step. Get the hell away from the AbeForum. There are no answers there.

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      I'm going to cross post this to the 'big 3' bc this is what abers are dealing with and more reason I think not spilling the beans (HIcks and whistleblowers alike) is unconscionablePosted an hour ago on the Abe Forum. The Abe forum where David Gordon is not only dictated to by the Hicks but is a member of the inner circle and would most certainly know of Jerry's leukemia.brokenhearted...Usually I wouldn't post something like this, cause I hate to show this kind of weakness...but I don't really know what else to do right now. I am so brokenhearted...I'm sorry this is so OOTV...I really want to die right now. I want to give up on everything. I am so brokenhearted. I feel like I am not happy here. I work on myself so much, I work on being happy and being the best version of me...but I feel like no matter what I do, things ultimately end up in the same place.I am sooooooo brokenhearted. I keep coming so close to my dream and it looks like everything is gonna be amazing, and I am so excited and positive and confident (and I know that I am b/c I am really in touch with my emotions...).. and then it falls apart, badly. For no reason. I've been living this over and over for years. And I keep trying to just pick my head up and trust and let go and know things will work out...but then they don't and I don't get it.And I know that what Marc would say is, well you must have a vibration of it or LOA wouldn't bring it to you....and that's fine and good and I get it...But i don't know what else to do.I am sooo sad. I don't know why if there is only a stream of goodness, that all of the relaxing and releasing I have done over the last year or so, all of the being happier, all of the trusting that things will get better...I don't know why things don't just work out. It feels like a cruel fucking joke. I had like 5 major major opportunities with amazing news that mean the world to me that I was so excited about and then 5 horrible disappointments and shocking outcomes...And each time I kept telling myself, that's okay, your so close. Who knows what little resistance is keeping you from this, but something better is coming. AND i was so proud of myself for being so positive about it and for trusting something else would come...and something new came along that was amazing. I was so excited, so soooo positive. So excited to work with this new amazing person who heard my music and loved it and was so nice and cool...and then, bam it falls apart for no reason. I felt sooo good, so confident, inspired, excited...I do not get it!i am so tired of this...Why can't life just be good. why can't it just be easy. Why can't this just work, cause I deserve it, cause I am great at what I do, because I love this more than anything in the world. Why can't I just be happy, why can't life just work for me. Why can't this just be the amazing adventure that it is supposed to be..it shouldn't be this hard. What the f*ck is wrong with me.....I don't understand why on earth I wouldn't want to come here to live like this...It is so damn hard here. If there is a stream of goodness and love then where is it, and why is my absolute best at loving and living and dreaming and hoping and releasing and distracting and meditating and trusting in the universe not good enough....I am so so so so sad...I love music. I just want to be happy. that's it. I just want to do what I love and be happy and give love to people and be happy. That's it...That's it....

    A Cover Up More Than Jerry Hicks Cancer

    What about the facilitators?

    Most followers of the Abraham Hicks story recognize the roles played in facilitating their deceptions, whether knowingly or unknowingly, by high profile endorsers like Oprah Winfrey and Rhonda Byrne, creator of "The Secret" book and movie.

    Now that the truth is undeniable and an unravelling of the longstanding scam is exposed, will the enablers who helped draw followers now step forward and admit their mistake?

    Will Oprah Winfrey haul Esther Hicks onto her stage and confront her as she has with others who threatened her credibility?

    I believe Ms. Winfrey was scammed just as I and others were, but now that things have changed, will her endorsement?

    And what about the otherwise much-admired Wayne Dyer, suffering from leukemia himself? Dyer once said that Abraham was the best group of teachers around?

    If so, what are they teaching us now?

    Louise Hay, a pioneer in self-help. Summer McStravick, the mainstream media generally...

    You can spend a lot of time wondering what all the people who gave this operation a free pass are thinking about doing now.

    Even if Esther Hicks won't tell the humbling truth, maybe a few of the people they've duped will.

    © 2011 David Stone

    What do you think?

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Whether or not Esther and Jerry's teachings changed lives, assuming for now that they did, wouldn't be evidence either way. Much of what they had to say was borrowed, uncredited, from others who were respected anyway; so, you'd expect some positive results. But I want you to consider two other things.First, a number of people have come forward to claim that Esther's teachings have caused harm. I don't think that's evidence either. As we know from medical research on placebos, people may get well, even when no real medicine is given, when they believe they've been treated. Confidence and hope seem to be critical factors. The less publicized nocebo effect has directly opposite results. In other words, treatments known to be effective are useless for some when they believe they have not received treatment. It may be that you and others heal yourself and Esther has nothing to do with it. No one has ever researched it, and I am certain Esther would not cooperate, if they wanted to.Second, you are absolutely right that Jerry was only human. A-H followers take that line all the time. The higher standard for himself was set by him. In fact, last I checked, their website continues to claim Jerry is still alive and that he and Esther are living fairytale lives.Now, what has been asked is that, given Jerry developed a cancer, why did they first scramble to pass his illness off as a spider bite and not admit the cancer until six months later? Why did they send out email blasts claiming they were raring to go for the next workshop, even after he started chemotherapy? Misleading hopeful followers? Maybe. More important, and the question most asked and never answered, is why did go for conventional medicine without ever trying the easy cures Esther pushed for years that would avoid the trials of chemotherapy and have Jerry back in shape within a few days? Esther will never answer this because the only realistic answer is one that would bring the house down.Finally, I'm glad you mentioned Wayne Dyer. Unlike Jerry, he has openly discussed his illness and how he thought he brought it on himself, without invading his or anyone else's privacy with intimate details. He has also publicly discussed what he has done to heal himself since, some of the most effective stuff being unconventional medicine. Dyer, just another vulnerable human like the rest of us, has not been shy about exposing his mistakes nor has he struggled to mislead those who have trusted him as a teacher for decades. There's a gap in integrity a mile wide between what Esther and Jerry did and what Wayne Dyer has done. Draw whatever conclusions you may.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        I have followed Esther & Jerry for a number of years now. What I have learned from them has changed my life profoundly. I like many was surprised when I heard of Jerry's passing and yes I wondered why he like Wayne Dyer and another I know of became ill despite their teachings. Does this make it a scam? I can't say for sure but one thing I do believe, it is one thing to utter the words you teach but another if you do not feel and believe them on a deep inner level. At the end of the day he was after all human.Even if Esther never does another seminar etc again, it will not change the difference they made in my life at a time when I was searching for answers. Can I ask you this, if what they taught changed the lives of many more like me in a positive way, is it still a scam?

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @janice1960: janice1960, I just want to respond to one thing in your post. The Abe Forum (from which I am actually banned from reading or commenting) is a creation of Jerry and Esther Hicks. It's a sort of marketing tool. David Gordon has been paid a monthly fee for years to make sure the message does not get diluted by any discussion not approved by Jerry Hicks. David, who isn't particularly close to Esther or Jerry but likes their money, was given the assignment when a prior administrator got bumped for allowing too much open discussion. A little bit of history, too, that doesn't get much exposure these days: about five years ago, a group of us who were bored with all the restrictions on Abe Forum got together with our own rowdy version, Abe Talk. Jerry Hicks went ballistic. Contradicting "the teachings," as they call them, Jerry hid behind David Gordon but launched a series of threats, often on middle of the night telephone calls, of lawsuits until "followers of Abraham Hicks" was removed form the masthead and sexy talk was taken to a secret room so as not to offend anyone by thinking Abraham really approved the free love Esther so often suggested. Well, maybe she did, but Jerry sure as hell didn't.You hit the nail on the head. Jerry Hicks is all in favor of censorship to protect the marketing message.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: You needn't be "astounded," SuzyA. Where you got the idea that I was "upset" is beyond me. Writers write about many different things, including public figures, because they get rewarded for collecting or analyzing information for interested readers. In this case, readers who search on line to learn more about a subject. It's hardly a waste, if readers find the information helpful and/or informative. The results in the number of people who find and read this lens speak for themselves. It's one of hundreds I have online, but it gets more attention than 90% of them.janice1960 is right, but that's true of all public figures. People will comment on them. I've written about Bruce Lipton, Eckhart Tolle, Wavy Gravy and Stewart St. John, to name a few. Should we all stop writing about public figures or just those true believers designate as sacred cows? And before people spend money on Esther and Jerry's products or workshops, why shouldn't they get alternative opinions? Or is it your opinion that customers should only read or listen to Esther and Jerry's version and let it go at that?

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Thanks Janice1960 - that is appreciated and called for :)

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        janice1960 5 years ago

        @anonymous: @SuzyA,If you are paying for Esther and Jerrys interpretation of life, you might be wasting your money. But that's perfectly all right if that's where you are and where you want to be. But by complaining about Dave wasting his time with what he is writing about, arent you in effect also wasting YOUR time? If you are truly following the teachings of Abraham, then it should be all right with you where Dave is. As per Abraham, When we say to you, make peace with where you are, we want you to make peace with where everyone is; we want you to make peace with the world events; we want you to make peace with where your friend is in relationship with where your friend wants to be. We want it to be all right with you where anybody is. So, what the hell does it matter to you on what Dave chooses to focus? You wrote that Esther and Jerry never signed up to disclose to the world their beliefs AND what happens to them personally, yet Abrahams teachings are full of third person examples from their lives. The precedent has been set. Why would Abraham suddenly choose not to mention such a great teaching example as Jerrys illness unless Abraham wasn't really Abraham but just Esther and she was afraid of exposure? You are free to ignore this and think of happier things. Im all right with that. For me, Dave is offering some objective contrast to the lopsided views that I was finding elsewhere, such as abeforum.com. The difference between the two is that Dave does not disallow differing opinions to his own. I have yet to see anything posted on abeforum.com that questions Abrahams teachings. This leads me to believe that those comments arent allowed there. I have been studying many different teachings and viewpoints of life for decades. I don't adhere specifically to any one brand over another. I keep what resonates with me and discard what doesn't. If a philosophy or teaching, and that includes the channel, doesn't stand up to questioning or even allow questioning, it isn't worth my time. The Law of Attraction resonates with me, Abraham/Esther/Jerry doesn't. Abraham-Hicks did not invent the Law of Attraction. They are just using it. They totally ignore most of the other Universal Laws to the detriment of their followers. But then again that is their followers choice and I am all right with that. I prefer to stay open-minded and always searching.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @anonymous: SuzyA: Why do people keep trying to compare Jerry with deities? I have actually seen Jerry bleed and sneeze. Let me tell you first hand that there is no one more human that Jerry and Esther. All the bashing of Dave Stone isn't going to change that. Here I am trying to determine what type of character that Dave Stone has. Instead, I am gaining greater insight into individuals who are claiming to be friends, fans, supporters of Jerry. I really am questioning those claims based on the behaviors exhibited. First off, Jerry isn't walking on water and never will be. He is very human and he is prone to mistakes like the rest of us. Jerry expended a lot of energy towards trying to improve his life and tried many things before achieving his own personal success. Chemo is rough on the body and cognitive skills of some. Chemo drains ones energy. No I am not talking about Source Energy. Jerry isn't back to his high energy self. This is hard on him, because Jerry has always been physically fit and energetic. His activity level is less than normal. This is hard on Esther. She is at his side and caring for him the majority of the time. If this treatment process works, it will add a some years to Jerry's life. I believe that if Jerry and Esther were to get wind that any of their employees were posting some of this nastiness they would take action. Many of these postings are very aggressive and feel like there is a co-dependency that is almost suffocating. I could see why there might be times that Jerry and Esther might be less than friendly at times. I want to feel symphathetic to those that are writing some of these posts, but I admit I am struggling with it as I read through these. I am also trying to be accepting of the fan or friends view points, but some are to borrow from Dave "bizarre." I don't believe Jerry or Esther would approve. I present opposing opinions to Jerry when we speak and so do others. Jerry has always respected my differing view, as I respect his. We co-exist very well. So why can't others present a different view, even if unfavorable? We learn things from constructive and sometimes non-constructive criticism. Jerry didn't succeed by receiving only praise. His success required praise and criticism. My apologies Dave. Some of these posts are really disturbing.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Hey, Jesus died on the cross - no one questioned his teachings. We're all human, we all have stuff. If you don't believe the Abe-stuff, you are the one that is letting you down, or finding negativity in this. Get over it.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        I'll make this my last post - I know we are on different radio signals. But Dave, what business is it of yours anyway. What the hell has Jerry's illness or whatever got to do with you? They never signed up to disclose to the world their beliefs AND what happens to them personally. I am astounded that you would waste your time being upset that someone didn't tell you their secrets and then writing about it. Way way way too much time to waste. I haven't heard about the cold you had last week or when Esther went through menopause. Methinks that I am not paying for twitter talk from them, just their translation of their interpretation of life. That's all they are about selling to us anyway. Buy it or not.

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        janice1960 5 years ago

        Dave,I came across your blog because I was attracted to the Abraham-Hicks message - at first. I loved the messages I was getting - that you attract more of what you focus on, whether positive or negative. I read a couple of books, listened to numerous recordings on YouTube and started reading some of the comments on the abeforum. After awhile, the whole slew of teachings started to feel flat to me as if something were missing. And all the Abers started to sound like Stepford Wives. It didn't sound right to me that we should ignore thinking or talking about the things that don't make us feel good. Those other emotions are there to tell us that we need to work through something that's not working in our lives, not simply avoid it. It seems wrong that we only concentrate on the Law of Attraction when there are other important Universal Laws to consider. It seems wrong to say that having sympathy for others and dealing with unpleasant truths are things we should keep our focus away from. It's part of being human. I could go on, but I wanted to comment on your post and all the comments that are attacking it. It seems to me that there is a LOT of unAbelike behavior going on here. Abe teaches that if you push against something you create more of what you push against, yet there are so many people here pushing against your opinion. And it certainly has attracted me to this blog. If all these people really believed in Abraham's teachings, shouldn't they just ignore you and go someplace "happier" like the abeforum? If they really felt like making a comment here, shouldn't they look for qualities in you to "love" and point those out instead of calling you "vile" and a "Hitler"? I can see why they defend Jerry and Esther for not disclosing the truth of Jerry's illness, because in one of Abraham/Esther's own teachings, it's okay to believe in a lie. Because if the situation you're in is not the situation you would like to be in it's okay and right to believe in a lie if the lie is what makes you happy. I do believe that a lot of the Abraham-Hicks teachings are valuable to people to create the lives that they want, but NONE of it is hardly original. Ive come across very similar teachings from other sources that came before the Hickses. Examining the facts of the transition of Jerry and Esther from multilevel-marketing gurus to "spiritual" gurus should not attract so much animosity from true Abers. They should just ignore it, think happier thoughts and go back to their Stepford forums and meet-ups. Oh, and the comparison of Abraham to Jesus and other spiritual masters is just ludicrous. Jesus didn't charge people anything for his "workshops". He didn't go on luxury cruises and sell merchandise for huge profits. He taught that we should give to those who needed it and couldn't get it on their own. He didn't blame the poor and the sick for their own misfortunes. He taught that it was difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He spoke out against the actions of the religious leaders and money-changers instead of saying that they attracted their own good fortune and therefore deserved it. He hung out with a lower class of people, tax-collectors, prostitutes, the poor, and even lepers. I abhor multi-level marketing companies no matter how good their products and Im not looking for a guru. Ill take some of the tenets of the Law of Attraction, but leave Abraham behind. Im not looking for a guru. Im not looking to eliminate all my lower emotions while in this dimension. I look for truth from many sources and Ill keep my critical faculties, thank you. Because that is what makes me happy and gives me the greatest joy.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: We can skip your entire bizarre analysis of Estherham vs Jesus, and get to the point.Which is that you missed the point of the lens. (It's not a blog. Sorry.) It's about why they've tried to cover up his cancer and gone to great lengths to confuse hopeful followers into thinking it was something else, like a "spider bite," the world's worst ever. What are they hiding and why? Those are the questions. And why don't they just come clean and help others who trusted them but got sick to understand?Can't speak for Kyra, but I don't expect Jerry to walk on water. I do hope he recovers, but that has nothing to do with calling them con artists. I think the term I used was "scam," however, and when they refuse to tell the truth about Jerry's leukemia, but still try to spin it to sell tickets, that's a particularly cynical scam.Recent "news" releases from A-H have taken Esther out of the game of writing them and have let one of their PR contractors writer smoother content. According to the latest, Jerry seems not to be sick at all, but out walking and shilling personally for products.Oh, and something all of you seem to miss: this lens is not about me or Kyra or our personal well-being or alignment or whatever you believe describes life processes. So, making it personal is really a waste of digital space.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Hi Dave, let me clarify so you understand where I am coming from. Abraham is spiritual info translated from E&J. Jesus did the same stuff - he guided through higher source. He had issues with not being in alignment (as per Jerry) - He got stuck on a cross (Jerry got stuck on chemo). Jerry will probably transition soon enough. All I read on these blogs is how much bullshit E&J are delivering cos they can't get their act together and do what E has been chanelling through Abe to do, ie. get over the cancer overnight. You know when I said no one questioned Jesus, what I mean is, he was a spiritual being (with human stuff) He suffered the same pain and died. Just like Jerry will. So where do you guys get off questioning it all and calling them con artists? What's the con. Cos if they are a con, then so is every friggin master or prophet that has walked this earth. Hello, we are all going to die, even Jerry. But so what if he got cancer along the way. Why does that make them crooks? The bit about we are all human and all have stuff simply means that Jerry is not infallible from having deep seated resentment issues (which is all cancer is). Maybe he can't do the stuff that Abe says to do - ie think positive. Just because they translate it doesn't mean they can do it. Shit, even I have bad days!Everyone walking this planet gets separated from source energy and walks the path of contrast. Everyone has pain and grief and suffering. So why do you and Kyra et al continue to expect Jerry to walk on water and then call them con artists because they can't. I am simply saying that by focussiing on the negativity of the whole Abe/EJ hicks stuff, you keep yourself so out of alignment and focussed on negativity. Now why would you want to do that to yourself??Huh?

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: No one questioned Jesus' teachings? Really? What planet have you been living on. And, of course, like everyone else Marc or Barbara sends over, you don't address the content of the lens, but instead try to make it personal. On the other hand, I have no idea what, "Were all human, we all have stuff," means. Probably, you don't either. You just thought it sounded catchy.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Caro, as a A-H follower, you are not aware of a world in which people are free to discuss and disagree with each other, especially when it comes to Esther and Jerry Hicks. You write:"All that "Abraham" says is that death is not the end.... "But that's far from the truth. There are several quotes above that show otherwise, but you really haven't read the lens (not a blog, sorry), have you? You had specific mission to argue against anyone commenting on the situation at all. (On the Abe Forum, David Gordon doesn't allow even positive comment.)So, even though it's unlikely to open the minds of those in the cult, I'll explain as simply as I can why we write about these things.First, Jerry Hicks is a public figure who has benefited greatly from that position and has freely dispensed his ideas and opinions for many years. This makes them fair game, just as Tiger Woods golf game is open for discussion. In Woods' case, I believe people should stay out of his personal life, not his golf game. Jerry and Esther Hicks have many times made their personal lives part of the public discussion and encouraged followers to follow their lead in such examples as not buying health insurance because they would never be sick (It's on the record.), declaring that every death, without exception, is a suicide, and saying how wonderful it is "when the old ones go" because it gets the old stick-in-the-muds out of younger folks' way. So, why wouldn't that contrast call what is going on now into question? Those personal opinions (and more) were introduced by Esther and Jerry. I realize they'd like to take many of them back, now, but it's too late. Moreover, Esther and Jerry introduced the subject of Jerry's illness. They could have quietly said he was unavailable for personal reasons and let it go. Questions would still have been asked, but in one of the most colossal marketing blunders of all time, they chose to try to use his illness to sell tickets. It's been breathtaking to watch.First, knowing that Jerry's cancer would contradict what they've preached for years, Esther and Jerry tried to palm it off as a "spider bite," still contradictory, but not something that would overturn a core precept in their "teachings." Next, they came up with an artfully crafted admission that Jerry was undergoing "heavy chemotherapy," without ever saying he had cancer. They still haven't. Confirmations on his having leukemia came from close friends and family members. In every instance in which Esther and Jerry have voluntarily brought up Jerry's illness, they've been evasive, if not disingenuous, but they have introduced the subject as a way to segue into ticket sales. That to me is mind-boggling and the height of cynical exploitation. True, more recently, Esther has stopped writing the news releases herself and left it to their PR (Forget who signs off. The differences in writing style are obvious.). But they are still using Jerry's condition to push for tickets. As for whether writers have a right to cover these things, we do, just as you have a right to read or not read. The fact that you came here can be accounted for in one of two ways. 1) You were curious about the subject and and wanted to learn more; or 2) You came on a mission to try to protect Esther and Jerry from criticism. I suspect the latter. Jerry and Esther have a long history of sending others out to defend them or even to lash out at critics; so, it would be no exception. The fact is, however, I don't care. As long as you stay roughly on the subject and appear to have at least skimmed the post, you can comment and toss personal attacks to your heart's content. If you believe that meltdowns of this kind help your case, good luck with it.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: Dave,Why do you hate these people so much? How is it any of your business if Jerry Hicks has cancer, or if he eats cereal for breakfast or likes red better than blue, or if he farts in bed, or likes to watch American Idol.... you get my point.How is it any of your business what peole get from the Abraham-Hicks teachings? You talk about it like it's a meth diet pill that kills teenagers or the new Mein Kampf. Really all these people talk about is finding balance in your life. How could this be harmful to anyone??? Where is the scam? It doesn't even really matter if the teachings are from spiritual beings or from Esther Hicks. They're offered to the public and no one is forced to buy books or CD, or cruises... What's it to you if someone would rather go on a "Hayhouse cruise" than a Disney cruise? Why is the latter better than the first??? Really... How is it any of your business what people do with their will, their money or their soul? Nobody is getting scammed. The truth is there are and always will be stupid people who are so desperate for effortless change in their life that they'll just take anything at face value, wait for miracles to happen (without any effort on their part) and then cry out scam when it does not deliver fast enough... whether it's Abraham-Hicks, the bible, etc. anything out there has value for people who actually do use their brains and reflect on the material... Nothing should ever be taken literally. However, if you have the ability to think and a little bit of culture, you realize that there is indeed a lot of wisdom in the Abraham-Hicks teachings. use it or leave it, but stop spreading your hate. This blog is really indecent and yes, you should be ashamed of yourself for not even be able to leave people alone at such a difficuly moment in their life.What if your significant other was dying and there was someone out there who openly rejoinced at the news and couldn't wait to see your partner die just to make their point.... How would you feel???? Esther Hicks does not owe you or any of us an explanation about her husband's disease. Neither of them ever claimed to be superhuman or immortal. And Jerry is 87 years old. Shit happens when you get to be that age. PERIOD. All that "Abraham" says is that death is not the end.... How is that a scam, or even new for that matter?

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymouswuzzawoman: Renee posts under different pseudonyms on several lenses because she is on a mission. Neither you nor Renee are interested in the actual subject of the lens, which is not about the details of Jerry Hicks illness, which none of us have or should, but it's about the organizations deceptions about it.First, they tried to pass it off as a "spider bite," which was too ridiculous even for Abraham Hicks followers. Then, they brought up "heavy chemotherapy," without ever admitting it was cancer. The leukemia confirmation had to be researched elsewhere. Even so, these wonderful people for whom you and Renee have such compassion have used every of these news updates as a marketing tool, adding a pitch for tickets at the end of every single one of them.That's right, they are actually trying to leverage this man's serious illness to get sales. In the meantime, they don't have the simple decency to tell the truth to followers who have been mislead dangerously about their health and how they should deal with threats for years. I believe your compassion is going in the wrong direction.

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        anonymouswuzzawoman 5 years ago

        @anonymous: Dear Renee,For someone who admits to never having had cancer you did a wonderful job of "putting yourself in those mocassins" (as my Na.Amer. friends would say). You're exactly right (on many points), especially about receiving such a diagnosis comes as such a shock, one needs time to "process" it all. (Treatment options, telling one's family, what to do about a business -- much less about a business who espouses such a belief system about illness being self-created!) My compliments on what I felt was a very compassionate post. (And after seeing to what levels this conversation eventually deteriorated, I believe this will be my last visit. The same happened to another respondent & I'd hoped it an isolated incident. A bit too much vitriole in this lens, for my tastes.)

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Wrong, again. I published every contribution by anyone on this thread. Why delete it? But, yes, please exercise your judgment to ramble on elsewhere. I can see where you're going, and it's boring and wasteful. If you have nothing relevant to say, why not just wait until you do, instead of taking over the topic? Start your own blog, for God's sake, if you think you have so much to say.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: I see you decided to not post my response first response to your comment. Proved my point that the only opinions that count are those that are 100% in agreement with you. Like I said, I will ask others and get my answers.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Oops, gave yourself away there. Your terminology and tactic is almost identical to another individual using a different name to attempt the same nonsense. Yes, opinions only matter if they are relevant to the topic, which yours isn't. The reason I point this out is that several people sent over from A-H, probably by Mark, jump in and try to change the subject. The company seems desperate to avoid the questions being asked and waste a lot of space diverting attention.Do you people have any idea who Hitler was, what he did or what being Nazi meant or means? Don't think so. It's a pretty crude representation of your lack of insight into the world, making you the perfect Aber or A-H staffer.Can't hog the space with your irrelevant comments, you stamp your feet and cry. I'll leave it up. It's slightly smarter than one of your partners who sent a note that I should change my icon because I was so ugly it took away from my credibility. I never imagined there were so many of you.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: Wow! Way to go with the defensiveness! So opinions and questions only matter if they are the ones you want? I disagree with you on that one. My questions and opinions matter just as much as your do. I will add it appears you can't be consistent when it comes to Jerry's past. I read just a few minutes ago you asking one poster by the name of Steve for more information on Jerry's past. So it appears you don't know all that much about Jerry's past. So who is misleading who? I had question and opinions. You don't like it well go suck a raw egg. You probably won't post this comment either. What a little Hitler you are? Small minded..... Don't worry, I won't post or ask my questions of you, probably would lie to me anyway. There are other people who will probably answer my questions and allow me my opinions. I probably made you think to much..... Nasty man..... What are you thought, opinion and question Nazi?

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: I repeat: Jerry Hicks personal life is relevant only in terms of how it relates to the "Abraham teaching" that he and Esther have made millions promoting in books, seminars, etc. Dissecting his past or how he got from A to B to C doesn't matter at all.What matters, I repeat, is why the organization doesn't simply come clean? Until shown otherwise, my conclusion is that, even in the most dire straits, they are unwilling to let truth interrupt the revenue stream.Can you stick to that subject? The rest doesn't belong in the lens. And, for me, it's very, very boring.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: Jerry's youth and previous life might have some signficance on how he reacts to and handles this illlness today. That is why I indicated that without this information the reader doesn't know the evolution of Jerry's belief system. Or at least I don't have that information to base my thoughts and opinions on. Esther may be continuing to teach something, but Jerry as a result of his illiness may or may not have evolved again. Several articles I have read indicate that Esther had a Morman background. What was Jerry's? Was he Baptist, Lutheran, Seventh Day Adventist, Catholic, Atheist, Wiccan, Jewish.....? Was there an event in his background that set him on a quest that had him merge the various teachings into what he and Esther call Abraham. Based on his age he grew up in the depression era. Where did he grow up? What was the availabilty of medical care? Did his family use faith healing or mainstream medical care? These are the questions that all this brings to my mind. How did Jerry get from A to B? Who is they? And are they evading his condition or just respecting the privacy of Jerry and his family? They could be evading, they could be going to the some of the top cancer treatment centers in the world or they could be waiting for death. None of us know who Jerry is listening to. He may have turned to another spiritual source. Esther may still be teaching the practice of Abraham, but it doesn't mean they both are still following that practice. The reason I asked about the family, is how strong would there influence on Jerry be at a time like this? Do they have any influence? I agree that it is highly unlikely that Jerry thought himself into having leukemia or can cure himself by thinking himself out of it. I do believe that a positive attitude and one's faith if practiced can have a positive impact one's health. Managing things like anxiety and stress are examples. I personally utilized Complimentary Alternative Medicine along with Mainstream Medicine. Or is Jerry still searching for medical advice that fits with his spirtual belief? If Jerry has "evolved" then he may have a different message when treatment is complete. There is also the possiblity that Jerry is saying his goodbyes to his family? I know the influence my family (parents, gparents, siblings...) has in my life and that is why I raised the question. A lot of what I question or bring up is based on how I think I might react to this type of news and where I might turn for guidance. I realize that Jerry might not have that network or react the same, but it raises the question in my mind.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Thank you for your comment.We actually know a lot more about Jerry Hicks life than I've published here because his personal life is the point only so far as how the so-called teachings are reflected by his illness and why such extraordinary efforts are being made to mislead followers who have trusted them.Jerry Hicks is being treated for leukemia because he has lived a long enough life to become subject to the ills that befall old age, but Esther Hicks claims, despite evidence everywhere in nature, that we do not age or pass through time.In "Ask And It Is Given," which Esther and Jerry Hicks imply was dictated by Abraham, but is really a rehash of other teachings, from Christianity through Scientology, they claim that 1) you can have any health condition you want and 2) you can't have any condition that you have brought into your life through thought.Okay, so maybe Jerry Hicks thought himself into this illness. Implausible but, according to Abraham, he ought to be able to think himself right back out of it. No problem. Jerry claims to be in constant touch with Abraham for advice. So...Why are they running like crazy to evade admitting his condition? A perfect opportunity to prove the truth of what they've been preaching, if ever there was one.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        This section ends with "Last stop for expressing your opinion. We'd all love to read it." So here is my opinion which I am respectfully submitting. I don't know that I would go as far as to label this a scam. I believe that Jerry and Esther truely believe in what they teach. Not everyone may agree with their teachings and that is our right to agree or disagree. There is really no test for something like this. At least not that I know of. I can say that all we (followers and non-followers) see of Abraham is the public side and life of Jerry and Esther Hicks. Jerry may have had leukema for a while, but without access to his medical records we don't really know when the symptoms were diagnosed. It is easy to make assumptions, name call, cast stones and place blame. I don't know how I would react if I were diagnosed with cancer. I don't know if I would immediately go public with the information. I would think I would need time to come to terms with the diagnosis. Again that is my opinion. I would assume that Jerry has a family. He may need time to come to terms with this himself and also let his family know. We don't know if the chemo treatments are successful or not. There are advances in treatment of leukema that he may be considering. Maybe the scare of having leukemia has Jerry questioning his beliefs or reevaluating them. Often a serious illness of this type can have people reevaluate things and question things. Let's argue that Jerry gave himself leukemia by allowing it into his life. How would that have happened? Did someone close to him have leukemia and stimulate a fear and thought process that allowed him to attract it? This personal evaluation process can take some time. Then there is the factor of his age and the seriousness of this disease. If Jerry didn't seek early treatment, he may be to far gone to even have the strength to do this self evaluation. Without more information it is hard form me to form the opinion that this is a scam. We don't know if Jerry is still actively involved in the business. He might be. He may have slowed down but not stepped down. What is known of Jerry's family health or theology? There are little bits of info here and there, but nothing that really says much about Jerry and his family. What about Jerry the private person? Public figures are often very private about their family and lives. That isn't uncommon. I can state that my belief system is constantly evolving. What I felt strongly about 20 years ago isn't the same today. The world and my life has changed a lot during that period of time. I would imagine that would be true of most people. The article although very informative as to the writer's opinions leaves a lot of unknowns as to the private world of Jerry Hicks.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @WOTZON: Never seen or met Esther or Jerry, yet you refer to them like old pals and parrot one of the corporate lines. You also use the familiar tactic of avoiding the subject but addressing something else.The subject is the Abraham-Hicks marketing operations refusal to disclose the truth about Jerry Hicks' illness while devising a scheme to allow true believers that he is suffering the aftereffects of a spider bite, not leukemia, an illness that was confirmed through other sources.This is a desperate attempt by this slick sales machine to avoid dealing with the obvious contradictions in the "spiritual" message they've been selling for decades. We know very well what thoughts Jerry has been living with because he has shared them repeatedly in books and other recordings. In "Ask And It Is Given," the basic Abraham-Hicks bible that Esther and Jerry Hicks claim "Abraham" dictated to Esther, Jerry reads the audiobook that, among a slew of preposterous claims, declares that 1) you can have any health condition you want simply by allowing it and 2) you can't have any condition that you have not brought into your life with your thoughts.These are among the principles Esther and Jerry Hicks have been pushing for years, going so far as to claim that they don't even bother with health insurance because sickness is not in the cards for either of them.When his time comes to "croak," as they say, because he will not deteriorate with age or be sick, Esther has said Jerry plans to "fly" off a tall building to bring his end. Now that Jerry's illness has put the lie to all their nonsense, you would hope they'd have the simple decency or respect for their followers to be forthright, instead of evasively maintaining the front that brought them millions.They say that power corrupts. Money does a pretty decent job of it too.Calling it a scam is "ridiculous?" What word would you use for a deliberate deception used to pull cash out the pockets of the gullible? If you have a better one, we can consider using it.

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        WOTZON 5 years ago

        This Scam labelling is ridiculous. Abraham Hicks have taken the knowledge since time began and given it voice to meet the 'language' of our current generations' place-in-time. In the 80's I struggled to read and relate to the works of a man called Thomas Troward, written in the early 1900's during the new age movement.I worked hard at it, to a point that after putting it into practice, I was feeling and experiencing the results; the same results that Abraham Hicks encourage us to work towards in 'their' language (which I must admit is) a lot easier to read, absorb, follow, understand, and relate to. Who knows what thoughts Jerry may be living with, maybe his time with Esther was a release from them, maybe a fear has crept in, one larger than he is able to fathom, how lucky (open) that he found himself in the Abraham Hicks experience, Who knows how many 'extra' years it gave him? Do we expect that because of his important role in the Abraham Hicks experience he would become immortal? I have never seen or met wither Esther or Jerry, but I know that what they have given the world is a masterpiece in living life. Scam - I hate to imagine the headspace of the people labelling this as 'scam'.

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        Kyra1985 5 years ago

        Hey Joyous_LadyJ, nice to see you here. A few things I wanted to comment on.I want to emphasize that these materials claim that they can assist people in preventing illness and attracting perfect health. I think that a lot of people are very interested when they discover that the main advocate for these teachings was not able to manifest the perfect health that these teachings claim they help people achieve.Regarding your assessment that Jerrys illness was somehow related to his "resistance," this is nothing more than confirmation bias. It isnt enough to say, "He has resistance! Thats why he got it!" If I was a Christian that believed in a rewarding/punishing God, I could just as easily point out things that I thought he did that were sinful (and that would be very easy for me to do) and say, "Ah, he got sick because he was sinning!" There really is no difference between either perspective because both sides have no evidence other than peoples "intuitions" and convictions. This is confirmation bias and the post hoc fallacy at their worst.When you claimed that Jerry and Esther have brought something to millions, I find that this is something I cannot disagree with. However, I would say that what they have brought is nothing more than another pseudoscientific victim-blaming philosophy (and Im very disappointed that I couldnt fit quackery and charlatanry into that description) that preys on peoples hopes and dreams. I have no respect or admiration for anyone like that. As for the statement, ""What if you found out it was not true" and the answer that I and many others express is that "Our lives are so much better following their teachings than they ever were before we would still follow the teachings"." I certainly believed this at one point. That was, until I realized they really were a scam. Its easy to say it when you dont actually believe that is the case. Its a whole different thing when you are faced with the fact that you are being duped and lied to about the nature of reality.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Anon 8, I couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks for your input.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Joyous_LadyJ says: "Abraham does not volunteer and point out where resistance is unless you ask and when it is a part of who you are it is hard to see to even ask the question." It's ludicrous for you to say this in defense of Jerry. Even if Jerry weren't the claimed champion question-asker, anyone virtually living with Abraham would have questioned LONG ago...'Abraham, first and foremost--point out ANY resistance *I* have!' AND one would think Jerry would be *continually* checking-in and asking for an update! Wouldn't YOU? Please...

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Joyous Lady J, thank you for a thoughtful, detailed response. Abers aren't usually so objective or complete.Sorry to say, I don't agree with you, but that's okay, of course. Hasn't Abe always taught the art of allowing and praised diversity in opinion? Well, they used to, anyway.First, your claim that Abraham never was asked by Jerry to help him with what you call "limiting beliefs," a spongy term if ever there was one, is clearly inaccurate on the record. The first recordings I heard from A-H were from the mid-1990s, and they consist of hours of Jerry asking questions directly of Abraham, many of them personal, and Abraham responding in detail. Add these to the many private conversations Jerry has referred to and 24 X 7 access to Abraham and you will have a hard sell convincing anyone that Jerry and Esther are just like anyone else. Nonsense, but it does protect the cause.And, yes, as I've written before, Jerry and Esther deserve enormous credit for getting the message out. Let's forget about the questionable methods for now and all the Amway training that came into play and remember that nothing, not even "law of attraction" was original. They have just been outstanding marketers. No problem there.But, and it's a big one, when they take all this advice and manipulate vulnerable people into coughing up cash, that's a different story. Offering hope is one thing when you're a doctor or even a philosopher in an open environment. There, you click or you don't. Abraham-Hicks enforces a strictly closed environment in which discussions are not acceptable, even to help clarify a some nebulous term (like "limiting beliefs," for example. We all have them, by the way. One of mine is that gravity keeps me attached to Earth, but I'm trying to get over it. Resistance, yes?).Without going into details (all of which I've written about elsewhere) about when, where and why the wheels came off for Esther and Jerry, I'll point out in closing that any objective observer of the last few years, since, say, the "vortex of attraction" fiasco, will find numerous contradictions and and errors so gross they are laughable in what Abraham is given credit for saying. What you are more likely seeing are the shortcomings in Esther's education as she tries to palm off Abraham as a wise informer about subjects she is ignorant of coupled with Jerry's ego and arrogance. None of that questions the basic teachings that so many fell in love with in the beginning. It does call into question the gullibility of people who continue to try to make sense of the new stuff that has come gushing out well after Abraham left the building.Word is, they are sitting with Elvis and Jesus, being entertained by all the human folly.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Chelly, I guess I could ask the same question in reverse. Like, why do you care about by my opinion? You are welcome to your opinions about Esther and Jerry, and you can ignore the obvious facts as long as you like. I don't care. It's your life.I'm not going to expose the people who have been close to Esther and Jerry who have contacted me, but their opinion does not jibe with yours. And I've looked at this long enough and talked to enough people to arrive at an opinion that Esther's channelling was once sometimes genuine, but never is now. She is a fake and a fraud, I think. Oh, and money grubbing and heartless.I could never think of a single reason why I would want to shell out $200 bucks to sit through a workshop. Nothing to offer, unless you are so personally weak you need someone else to spoon feed you the truth, their version.By the way, I am not especially concerned and find Esther, Jerry and their followers boring. The scam interests me from many angles, as to a lot of other things.But we are talking about the Abraham Hicks scam here, and unlike yourself, I am interested in finding out what is behind the stories and writing about it. I like discovery. Sorry if realism disappoints you. You and Esthers unthinking followers are bores, but the story is interesting. Hence, I will keep following it as long as interest remains. What on earth motivates a person like you, with a thinking mind and ability to understand reality objectively, what motivates you to throw away your gift just to follow such lame, unoriginal teachings? That's the big question for me.Can you tell me, in simple terms, why you have chose to be ignorant? In 100 words or less, please.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        @David Stone1: Dave just curious, why are you so concerned with this? And as you mentioned Seth and Theo, do you just have a problem with jerry and Esther? but believe Seth and Theo are real? Another question, have you ever been to an Abraham workshop? Sorry sir, but you are dead wrong about this. Nothing could be more real, more loving and more accurate. oops, sounds like I've been scammed!!! Find something else to do with your time.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Those who believe or think that Jerry becoming ill belies their teachings do not fully understand the teachings.It has been clear throughout the 25+ years that Abraham has been sharing wisdom with us that neither Jerry or Esther had cleaned up their vibration to the point that they had no resistance. Their very aging (Jerry in particular) reflects this as well.I know many students of Abraham who look 30+ years younger than their chronological age without surgery because they have let go of the resistance.I do not know Jerry well but have participated in sufficient conversation to know that he has resistance built up during his lifetime that would manifest in illness eventually.The sad thing is, it is something like the Emperor's new clothes. I recognized from a short amount of time with him that he had some resistant thoughts and when I expressed to someone closer to them that I wanted to share my observation with Jerry I was told not to do so. Had I had an opportunity I would have done so and have wondered since his illness was announced if the limiting belief I recognized in him was partially or fully responsible for his current illness. I was aware of numerous manifestations in his experience that were a direct result of the limiting belief I picked up on. He picked it up early in his life so it is even more understandable that he did not recognize it in himself even though the teachings clearly show that life does not have to be the way it is.Recognizing one's own limiting beliefs is one of the hardest aspects of following the teachings. Those little ones who are coming now to parents who are trying not to teach the limits we were taught to their young ones will do much better at remaining free of illness.Jerry lived a lot of life prior to finding Abraham and built up a great deal of resistance during those years. Abraham does not volunteer and point out where resistance is unless you ask and when it is a part of who you are it is hard to see to even ask the question. It is part of your 'world view' and you believe that is just the way it is.One of the greatest contributions we can make to one another is helping others recognize limiting beliefs they hold. Because our own 'limiting beliefs' are our beliefs it is very difficult to recognize them ourselves.As far as gripes about losing money (I am assuming for airfare and such) anyone who did was a vibrational match to doing so. Trip insurance would have been available. I, personally, had long planned to attend the Boston workshop but every time I thought about making reservations for flights/hotels, etc. it did not feel quite right so I waited. When the workshop was cancelled I knew why it had never felt fully aligned. The 'pushing against the non-refunds of flights, etc" will just bring more such situations to you. Far better, IMO, to recognize that you were not in alignment with the perfect unfolding and clean up your vibration to prevent future manifestations that feel the same as this one.Jerry and Esther have brought so much to millions of people. Often the question is asked "What if you found out it was not true" and the answer that I and many others express is that "Our lives are so much better following their teachings than they ever were before we would still follow the teachings". This is as true today as it ever was. I have no doubt that the wisdom of Abraham is true and this manifestation (Jerry's illness) is consistent with the teachings.There have often been people in the hotseat who asked about living forever in this body and the answers, IMO, have always been true. A year or so ago a comment "Fresh starts are so fun" was made and it seemed to me at the time that it was part of a conversation Jerry and Esther had expressed recently. It can be done but not with resistance.I so appreciate all Jerry and Esther and all their staff have done over the years to bring such clarity to so many, living on the road much of the year and pushing onward, always providing greater clarity. When they began this journey they risked so much. Esther's own family objected and yet they followed this path unwavering in their determination to bring Abraham's answers to the world. Pioneers who have given so much to so many. I have no unanswered questions. My wish for Jerry is that he finds alignment in the path that feels best to him. He and Esther have my eternal appreciation and I feel great love for them and their staff.We are way past the 100th monkey. The future will bear out the truth of the teachings and I am confident that the future will show that Abraham provided the truth to the extent we are ready to hear it in this time as have all the previous masters. Our world is better for what they have done even if Abraham never utters another word the word is out and fully understandable to any with an open mind and the desire to focus themselves into full understanding.I wish Jerry and Esther and their staff and families many BLISSings.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Wouldn't Esther and Jerry Hicks just love it if people would just give the scam a free pass? Nobody should have any questions about the obvious contradictions, Jerry Hicks' leukemia being only the most recent.And what Abraham wisdom should we listen to? The apocalyptic Abraham they pitched in New Beginnings, which had to be honed because it was crazy and didn't sell?What about the midlife Abraham that Esther and Jerry polished, stealing ideas from Seth, Theo and others, and dumbing it down for the gullible with credit cards who wished to believe they were hearing something original and special?Or, why not just go with the cold, nasty and boring Esther that chugs out Abraham these days with a flatness that suggests she is rarely, if ever, in spirit anymore. Toni, I know enough about the inner machinery at Abraham-Hicks to get it that they have enough money and star power to keep factotums like yourself pumping out gibberish in their behalf.I will suggest, however, that you or anyone else interested in finding someone they can trust as teacher should read the "Fourteen Reasons..." a link is provided for on the right. No one should have to accept ignorance as a precondition for being on what you call the "positive side of life" and I call giggly airheadedness. It's in ample evidence all over the tightly controlled Abe Forum and elsewhere.When I grew up, I was taught to be independent and to keep my mind open. "Be open to everything" is my favorite Wayne Dyer advice. That means being open to the fact that Abraham Hicks is a scam, a cash cow that allows them a lot of leeway, but which also has gained enough habitues that tilting cult-ward has been pretty easy for these heartless con artists. Tell Esther or whatever handler sent you that I said, "No."

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Probably time to use that useful saying, "get a life people". Or better said, get busy applying the great guidance from this generous Abe source, to bring you closer to the positive side of life...as opposed to the "lookin for all the bad stuff people do". If the offerings don't speak to you, they surely fill up a lot of others....it's an appreciated source of wonderful advise for this life as a human here on planet earth.

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        David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

        @anonymous: Stay tuned, Max.

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        anonymous 5 years ago

        Very interesting. It will be fascinating to see how it all progresses.

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