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Cancer Finally Took Jerry Hicks' Life

Updated on August 23, 2017

Jerry Hicks' Struggle with Leukemia

You can't be blamed if you think Jerry Hicks, the wildly successful marketer of New Age products and promotions, is still alive, can you?

Abraham-Hicks wouldn't promote a lie on their website, would they?

The dust settled after their disastrous handing of Jerry Hicks losing battle with leukemia, but the folks at Abraham-Hicks still promote the myth marketed during his lifetime.

Jerry, according to their website, continues to dance across the country with Esther in their "monster bus," more than three years after he died.

If you're confused, join the club. I am too.

Jerry Hicks died in November 2011, according to Esther Hicks.

Something new: Jerry and Esther Hicks Spiritual Money Tree, Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Leukemia That Was Hard To Explain

Esther Hicks confirmed that the cause was cancer of the blood, leukemia, an illness Jerry and Esther never admitted before he died, but later claimed they didn't try to hide it either.

Esther acknowledged on their website what many of us saw coming. Jerry Hicks died, she said in a blog post and email blast, on November 18th, 2011. Her credibility, of course, isn't high, but it seemed unlikely she'd be running a con on that one.

No location for his place of death was given. No obituary or other official recognition has been found.

The best evidence suggests that his fight finally ended while seeking alternative treatments in South Korea. The cover story was going to be about how he always felt a kinship with the South Korean people, but that balloon never got off the ground.

Six months passed after Jerry Hicks admitted being hospitalized to undergo what he called "heavy chemotherapy."

He gave only enough details to help gullible followers believe a fiction about a fire ant bite as the cause. I'm not kidding.

One optimistic follower on the Abe Forum passed along her insight that taking an aspirin was, in fact, chemotherapy, and so, there was no reason to believe Jerry Hicks had cancer.

If he did, why wouldn't he say so?

Take an Objective Look at Abraham-Hicks

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Is the story of Abraham's birth one that, if you actually read it, you'd feel comfortable with, or does it read more like something patched together that never really makes any sense?

Why is Jerry Hicks illness and death still being covered up with misinformation directly from Abraham-Hicks?

And what about the Abraham-Hicks Teachings? Do followers ever actually read them and think about what they say?

 

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"Good to see the old ones go." Esther Hicks

Over too was the game of wondering when Esther Hicks would stop obscuring the facts and tell the truth to followers.

The answer: Never.

In fact, rather than rejoice in Jerry's "croaking," as she did when death took away someone else's loved one, or repeating her refrain about how it's "good to see the old ones go," Esther has personally granted Jerry eternal life, resurrecting her dead husband as an additional channeled resource in her so-called workshops.

Finally, and maybe in anticipation of a more remote form of contact with followers, Esther Hicks is reinventing herself.

The frumpy black and white country preacher outfits have been discarded and replaced with the brighter, splashy colors Esther enjoys in real life.

When Esther Hicks broke her silence about Jerry Hicks' cancer, although ultimately a front for a marketing pitch and fairly misleading, it was news.

Jerry Hicks' Cancer: Basic Questions

One of Esther Hicks' (posing as Abraham) most memorable quotes:

"Think about that little smear that starts out as the human body, and then there's a nose and a liver and a gizzard, oh, not a gizzard... All that stuff that is present and knows how to become this. There's so much knowledge within the human body. You're wanting to free the human body's knowledge to be well from the resistance that has been picked up along this physical trail. The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000 # 106

But When It Mattered for Jerry Hicks

It appears that Jerry Hicks cancer shows he was immune, not to cancer, but to the wisdom preached by his wife and marketed by him to millions of believers.

Jerry Hicks death was an occasion for sadness. Even though the marketing machine has made a mess of this tragic situation, a disservice to their trusting followers, other cancer victims and Jerry Hicks himself, there is no joy in discovering the deceits parlayed by Esther Hicks one more time.

A trusted friend with a medical background and many contacts in the Abraham Hicks world guessed that Jerry had been suffering from leukemia for many months, certainly long before the ridiculous spider bite story was cooked up. She believed the signs of low dose chemotherapy were already evident in his appearance.

She speculated that an escalation of the disease led to the phony cover story. Jerry's own admission that he'd already lost fifteen pounds from his slight frame before beginning chemotherapy tends to confirm her suspicions.

Since Esther has long claimed that, not only do we give ourselves cancer, we also chose our time of death voluntarily, their money-skewed position in marketing to their cult-like following could not withstand the exposure.

Others may tell us what really happened during the meltdown of Abraham Hicks, but if my friend's educated guesses are right, they help explain the pathetic scramble to scare up money from pushing guided meditation CD's rabidly during Christmas and the sudden invention of the "Abraham LIVE" scheme to gather followers over the internet, getting beyond the limited benefits of onsite attendance, regardless of how overpriced.

Now that the facts are better known, the question is whether or not Esther Hicks will do the right thing and come clean.

Even if it would be of great help to their followers in aiding them with insights or for leukemia victims everywhere by no longer suggesting guilt, I don't see anything in their background that suggests she will.

Abraham Hicks on Medicine, Aging and Sickness

And the "heavy chemotherapy" was necessary because...?

The very best approach to medicine is,"Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?" Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, "Let it go, let it go, let it go." That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000 # 106

"Death is an inevitable cycle. But sickness before death is a symptom of resistance. Most people think they've got to get sick to die. But, you could be like the cat who chooses to get run over. Or, you could just lie down in your bed happily one night, so content and thoughtless, wanting nothing in this physical world; and just reemerge into Pure Positive Energy... You can play it out any way you choose."

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Sedona, AZ on Saturday, August 27th, 2005

I suppose you'd have to wonder why Jerry Hicks decided to "play it out" with leukemia, then ran to "heavy chemotherapy" to get rid of it.

And death itself:

"...death' is a matter of closing one's eyes in this dimension and literally opening one's eyes in the other dimension. And that, truly, is how all death is, no matter how it looks, up to that point.. The re-emergence into Source Energy is always a delightful thing."

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on Tuesday, September 25th, 2001

Note: This claim, that death is always "delightful" was dished out two weeks after the World Trade Center Disaster. For pregnant women jumping to their deaths from eighty floors in the sky, for professionals supporting families, for the captured passengers on commercial flights, a few with infants in their laps, death had a "delightful" experience

And the latest: Abraham Hicks Is Dead

Comment But Stay on Topic

Since so many angry Abraham-Hick's supporters feel that this is an invitation to rant, express their anger, tell me I'm a jerk, point out that I don't get it, praise Esther and Jerry, and otherwise misuse the space, I have to make a rule that any comments that do not respond to the question asked will be deleted.

Don't worry, fans.

You will have opportunities later to condemn the author at will.

But you will be expected to make a point, not just angry remarks. So, as you go along, think about what you might write that actually adds to the conversation.

You'll stand a much better chance of having your remarks approved and added to the lens.

Thanks.

A Cover Up More Than Jerry Hicks Cancer

What about the facilitators?

Most followers of the Abraham Hicks story recognize the roles played in facilitating their deceptions, whether knowingly or unknowingly, by high profile endorsers like Oprah Winfrey and Rhonda Byrne, creator of "The Secret" book and movie.

Now that the truth is undeniable and an unravelling of the longstanding scam is exposed, will the enablers who helped draw followers now step forward and admit their mistake?

Will Oprah Winfrey haul Esther Hicks onto her stage and confront her as she has with others who threatened her credibility?

I believe Ms. Winfrey was scammed just as I and others were, but now that things have changed, will her endorsement?

And what about the otherwise much-admired Wayne Dyer, suffering from leukemia himself? Dyer once said that Abraham was the best group of teachers around?

If so, what are they teaching us now?

Louise Hay, a pioneer in self-help. Summer McStravick, the mainstream media generally...

You can spend a lot of time wondering what all the people who gave this operation a free pass are thinking about doing now.

Even if Esther Hicks won't tell the humbling truth, maybe a few of the people they've duped will.

© 2011 David Stone

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      Sally AJ 5 months ago

      I heard Esther Hicks on You tube by accident and followed up as what she was saying made sense to me and my current situation.

      I went onto the internet, found some negatives written about the couple and realized that what was being said about cults etc was a result of the followers' undying belief in the teachings. Some people believe anything that is said to them without question and they become victims of a cult. Other people are exposed to the same material but look at those facts with a curious and questioning view and don't become followers. They are free to choose which direction to take and glean what they can from the teachings. This is the stance I have chosen and hope to benefit from it.

      Blessings to you.

      Sally

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      Morningsun444 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Grace, I agree with what you said although I am at a loss to figure out how people are supposed to RELAX and DE-STRESS whilst being hyper-vigilant, ferreting out and extinguishing any 'negative' thoughts that may wander into their heads, for fear that a negative thought will worsen their illness...Really, think about it..how much stress can a person stand? Negative thoughts wander, uninvited, into our heads a thousand times a day. Can you imagine believing that allowing even one of these thoughts to knock around in your mind a bit, would cause your illness to get worse???...STRESSOR!!!!!!And, further to that line of AH thinking...people brought their diseases on themselves in the first place with their negative thinking...so, that should put one in a happy, stress free state of mind right?? They basically got what they deserved because they weren't happy enough? Perfect! The simple answer...GET HAPPY...Simple!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Dr. Hamer sounds like he may be a fascinating character or, maybe, a crackpot. I haven't taken a look and don't expect to. So, your thoughts about how his point of view relates to Jerry Hicks death is interesting, but not relevant enough to go on about anymore here. A Google search will get plenty of results for anyone wishing to research further, or my suggestion to you, Arnold, is that you write and article of your own to get a discussion going.Squidoo is absolutely free for such purposes as are a number of other online sites for writers. Good luck with it!

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Although you lack the courtesy of actually answering the questions asked, I'm going to post it because it demonstrates what a poorly informed world of truths, half-truths and outright fictions the A-H crowd lives in.Of course, we cure ourselves all the time. We all have immune systems where the only job is to cure, 24 X 7. This isn't news, but you pass it along as if it were some great insight. It isn't. It's common, everyday knowledge.The rest of what you have to say is a mix of opinion and baloney. Dr. Ryke had theorized, but not proved anything of the kind. Cancer is best described as a situation in which cells lose their ability to exhaust themselves and die away as evolution provided. They grow out of control, gobbling up nutrients needed by other cells. I agree that modern medicine has done some less than admirable work among much good, but try telling a few cancer patients who were healed by modern medical intervention that cancer is healing and modern medicine is useless, even evil. You'd have to have your head examined to adopt such simplistic, slanted, uninformed ideas. Bruce Lipton is such a clown I'm almost reluctant bother responding. He passes himself off as a daring pioneer discovering truths about epigenetics when it has been a field of research for two decades and Lipton is not considered a leader. The only original ideas he had he was unable to verify scientifically. Your idea of something being "proved" just shows how easily the uneducated and unwilling to learn can be yanked into cults by big promises.And by the way, even if your Abraham quote is accurate, no one ever claimed that Abraham said he should stop chemotherapy. What Esther (There is no Abraham. It's faked.) said was that just changing you vibration could cure any disease within a few days. She also said Jerry was the best manifester of intentions ever. The question, which you can't answer (probably why you responded to something ever said instead) is: Why didn't Jerry Hicks simply follow the "teachings of Abraham" his wife conjures up?The reason: the teachings of Abraham are stupid, and conventional medicine, at least, gave him a chance.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      From my perspective, we cure ourselves all the time. Some say: Jerry Hicks cancer proves the basic teachings about health and death that Esther and Jerry Hicks have been selling for decades are nonsense. True? It depends. Dr. Ryke Hamer (German new medicine) proved that every cancer is a healing process, destroyed by deadly diagnosis, chemotherapy, and radiation. Dr. Bruce Lipton proved that our cells are signaled from outside and not from inside by our genes, and that the signals can be distorted by physical damage, chemicals and thoughts. Abraham once said, in relation to chemotherapy, focus on the cellular energy run. He did not say, stop chemo, however he said, if you knew what we know, no doctors would be employed. Thank you Jerry for the wonderful world you allowed to expand through Ester. Thank you Ester for the wonderful world you allow to expand by communicating Abraham.Thank you Abraham, Arnold and Bozena RabiusHolland NL

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I feel the same way. I think lots of these people are just looking for a reason to have an excuse NOT to actually "live". I'm not afraid anymore!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Kyra1985: And babe where do you get all this TIme on focusing on people whom you don't believe ....Why do you are so much ...Why do you have the neeed to convince people otherwise ...What's in it For YOU ?..check with yourself ...The way you mentioned the details It seems you are their secret admirer but hat hate to admit soo bad that you have become an Opposer ...Good luck Buddy ...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Wonderful Perspective bang on ....Good that you spoke for many who have faith in them .....!!!!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Scam or no scam, Jerry Hicks was a human being and his wife is mourning the death of her husband. We all make choices in life - who to follow - what to believe. No one wants to feel pain or poverty or fear. Wealth does not mean security. I thank Jerry for all things good and wish his family and all of you, peace.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi David,Yes, feel free. Robert Jay Lifton is a great resource, as well as Margaret Singer.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Robert Jay Lifton studied cults and created a list of eight psychological themes for thought reform criteria. A lot of them fit the Abraham cult. Especially:"Sets up a sense of antagonism with the outside world; it's "us against them"" The "leading edge" thinkers vs. those of us who will never learn."Totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative." Soure Energy in this case."The world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure." Contrast."The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence."Speaking for Source Energy/God. Esther is the secong coming of Jesus."Questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited." Censorship on Abraham forums, encouraging the fear that thinking "negatively" will bring about negative life circumstances (financial loss, violent crime, etc. Blaming the victim)"Offers considerable security to young people because it greatly simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying the truth about human behavior and human psychology." The "Law" of attraction.'Repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon." "Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase." I.e., The Vortex, Law of Attraction, leading edge thinkers, vibration, upstream/downstream, etc."The group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world"... "unenlightened", etc." Again, leading edge thinkers, Abraham as a voice of Divine Authority, Estger is Jesus or like Jesus. Buddha, Jesus, and other divine authority figures believed to be part of the entity known as Abraham. (Glaring contradictions in these different religious figure's dogma ignored for the emotional impact and authority it evokes in people's minds).

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you Andromeda. I agree with everything you said, wish i was that articulate. May Jerry get well and they both continue to teach us what we already know in our souls. Lord knows someone has to show us another way but if they are not ready they will never learn and that ok because we do need contrast.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello...I have tried to add a question but am blocked from doing so, I think, because I am using the term MLM as in comparison to Abraham Hicks..your server is telling me my question looks like spam..how can I get my question authorized?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Interesting. You seem open to possibilities and I can see that you mostly just have beef with the Abraham hicks work or at least question their true nature which is a normal reaction. Very true, It is never a good Idea to give advice unless asked. I have enjoyed seeing the responses to my comments. Regardless of what you believe, I wish you and everyone searching for something that they may find it and live a life that is satisfying to them. Take care - Andromeda

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: The only problem with your comments as that are out of context. Look at the question asked. This is not the point to drill home your points. There are options more toward the end of the lens, after you've seen all the content, and you can ramble off the point a little, if you want.As to your question, I don't know if I'd give them any advice unless I was asked. That's not something I'd expect most people to look for from me. I'm neither a doctor nor a spiritual guide. What I have to say about such things is in a dialogue, not advice for anyone who is capable of seeking their own wisdom freely.Many people have had what are most often called spontaneous healings, ones without any known cause, and there are almost as many explanations in medicine and spiritual traditions for it. They certainly happen. I don't know of any that happened because someone followed Esther Hicks' advice, but I do know people who claim that following it has made their situations worse. I also know that Jerry didn't follow it at all.My opinion is that much of what happens to people remains unexplained and mysterious, which is good. We have a lot of adventure ahead of us. Esther Hicks's pat answers are easy to digest for those who prefer not to make an effort to understand themselves and/or how things work. They aren't worth much.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hi Dave, i have a question for you. I curious for your opinion on something. In a situation where you find yourself with someone that has a terminal disease and they have been told there is no hope, what would you advise them? If it was your wife or someone you love and care about wouldn't you try to find a way to cheer them up? At the end of the day, Abraham in a nutshell says, that all you have to do is find a way to feel good, get into the vortex. It almost seems like the same response to every problem people come up with. Person says "I got this or that" and Abraham says try to feel good and forget everything else and it will turn out fine.I can personally testify to knowing someone that had terminal cancer and was only given 3 months to live. This guy (family friend) Got a hold of the attitude that said "I am fine and I don't have anything, I plan on living." I personally went with my family to a catholic church (nothing to do with Abrahams work) where our friend and his family and all of his friends got together and prayed. There was an attitude in the room of hope and faith. It has been 4 years and this man is still alive. He did go through chemo too but the doctor said that only a miracle can help him now but even then he had the attitude of a champion and so far so good. Funny thing he doesn't know about Abraham. He and his family believe in Jesus and the bible. (FYI I'm not Christian but I do believe in the power of faith) All I'm saying right now is that there are studies and more common documentaries such as What the Bleep Do We know that suggest the potential of positive feeling/thoughts. There are scientist that theorize of this through quantum physics. Perhaps this is the start of an opportunity but maybe we all need some more studying on how to make something of it. I'm only looking to hear your opinion not to try to change or challenge you. And about that last paragraph, perhaps I said it a little out of context but I did readdress it in Kyra's questions. If you find my comment offensive in anyway I would not be offended if you delete them. This is your blog and I don't want to intrude if you feel so.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Kyra1985: You make good points. About the human thing... Oh dear, yeah, that's a little carried away. Anyway, yes you're right about what you said"people have similarly believed that they came to their own, personal realizations about the reality of Hell and the judgement of God. It doesn't mean that they are correct." I agree. Many people have experiences that make them think they found or have something great and sometimes they manage to get enough people to follow and before you know it, you have a million people believing nonsense and maybe this is no different. I am not saying that I am right or that I have some amazing revelation that will heal the world but this is that this is a topic I enjoy and like to do research on. Just like when you found something that you liked and you clicked with it and you keep up with it still today. It is not something that I need in order to improve my life but rather something that I enjoy and because of it I'm living a happy life. Not that I have it all figured out and perfect either, I have my share of troubles and needs like everyone else but that's the journey right?This isn't about right or wrong for me but me being honest with myself and following own my inspirations. For example:I like running but I didn't always; and I noticed that when I would run at first i'd be thinking "I have to run this many miles, with this hot weather and I am not sure if I drank enough water..." I would get tired soon, my knees would hurt and it felt like throwing up. One day after not running in a long time I said today I am going to learn to run and enjoy it. As I started running, I paced myself and made sure that I felt good by not pushing myself too hard. About 1 min in, negative thoughts would start coming up like i'm tired, I'm out of breath, etc. So I started to try to change my attitude by focusing on regulating my breathing, then on my footwork, and only on these things at first. Before I knew it I forgot about the problems that I was thinking and I was running faster, had great endurance and I began to enjoy it. Its funny because you can't lie to yourself, you either feel it or you don't. If I am trying to make myself feel better then it doesn't work but If I genuinely stop trying (kind of like meditating) and focus only on my breath, foot work and posture, then I feel great and I can last a long as I can hold that feeling and focus, that is where the training begins. It's the kind of mental training that athletes do, like olympians. I'm not trying out for the Olympics, but I like their attitude, mental discipline and its fun to study their field of work too, which could be tied in, if you see it that way. Anyway this is my experience and I am not saying that this is for everyone but I like the results that I am getting and the Abraham material has definitely play a part. Your also right about that if Jerry is in his vortex then he will be fine no matter how many people believe otherwise (according to them, and I also do believe it) However there is a huge weight on his shoulders, in addition to his recovery, because many people are thinking he let them down. If he wasn't ready for this kind of momentum and it gets to him, that is quit a strong negative feeling which could delay him feeling the way he wants and getting into the vortex. That is why I think they tried to avoid its publicity. Abraham has spoken about that too (not to this specific issue but in one of the books) and what happens when everyone start giving there attention to something, it can be harder to reverse. At the end of the day they never said they were going to live forever and he still needs to keep up with himself like everyone else has to. Who knows what ideas or thing he expanded to that now he is learning to keep up with it again. This is just a point of view on the subject.I do study and love hearing about other peoples beliefs and seeing how other people come to their own conclusions. When I say awakening (although it does sound grand/epic/cheesy lol) it seems like everyone is fighting for their beliefs and their share of the world and wouldn't it be nice if, in theory, we could learn to get along even though so many believe so differently? I think that it would be nice if everyone awakened, so to say, and found a respectful way to communicate. Not so that they convince others that they know best, but for the interaction and working together of it. With all the fighting and wars going on today it almost wouldn't seem like normal/current human behavior, a theoretical conscious evolution where people genuinely feel the empowerment of diversity. I think that's almost artistic, just look all the beautiful cultures we have on our world and their unique way they have developed.There is so much potential for great things if we can work together. And the reason each culture turned out different, I think, is because they do believe different. (kind of funny cause if you listen to everyone or at least most of them long enough, they seem to want the same thing at the end of the day: A place to call home, safety, peace, love, friendship abundance, food, health geez I almost sound like a care bare now!) It's a theory and I think Jerry and Esther have helped in trying to explain that in their own way.(not the awakening that's just what Im saying but on getting along) It would be nice to see if anyone does feel let down maybe at least they can take that out of it. The irony of it is, that by writing all this, is seems like I am trying to convince you or others of something too, lol I really don't mean for that. I'm new to blogging and I don't plan on doing it much longer, (not quite my thing) just a got little curious to see my thought out loud and have someone else comment on them. I should be careful as I don't wish to sound/be like a bigot or offend anyone and if I have then I am really sorry for doing so. I believe that in stating our opinions and interacting with others it can be a way to expand and learn, even if we feel differently. It will be very interesting to see what happens in our world in the next few years. Peace

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Hi, Kyra. "Andromeda" is another sock puppet, and this script was written by someone with a vested interest in whitewashing the scam. It's odd because the writer is obviously not aware of what Esther has taught all these years and argues points she never made and/or disagrees with. Not a good emissary, but when were the sock puppets competent? This harms their cause because it makes these defenders look even more clueless than the Pollyanna's on the Abe Forum.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Andromeda, you are not qualified to comment at length when you haven't red the bulk of the material. Like others who pony over from AHP at the best of Esther and Jerry or other management scrounging for brownie points, your prepare speil doesn't even address the question asked. That's apart from it not making much sense.To make it as clear to you as possible, since you apparently didn't even read the preceding let alone the rest of this lens, there is no conclusion drawn, pro or con, about the Law of Attraction, which my the way Esther and Jerry "borrowed" from the originators in the New Thought Movement.The question is, why didn't Jerry Hicks follow the advise his wife, posing as Abraham, has been dishing out for money for decades? Why not take what Esther has repeatedly described as the easy way while she denigrated conventional medicine?The obvious answer, of course, is that when the fit hit the shan, neither trusted in the teachings of Abraham, so-called, maybe because one or both of them made it or because they lost the thread of faith and confidence after being polluted by greed. After all, according to Abraham (Esther), all he needs is a quick afternoon with them and he's fixed. Why do through the rigors of chemo, if it's not necessary?And by the way, you might want to keep in mind that Esther and Jerry started with the updates, long before Kyra or anyone else called them out on the evasions. If they could have gotten away with the spider bite nonsense, they'd have stuck with it.They don't even have the decency to talk straight and honest about Jerry's illness and why he rejected Abraham when push came to shove. (Your last paragraph is pure horse manure and not worth bothering with.)

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      Kyra1985 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Andromeda,Thanks for sharing your perspective on the situation. I would like to comment on a few things you said.Regarding your personal realizations, people have similarly believed that they came to their own, personal realizations about the reality of Hell and the judgement of God. It doesn't mean that they are correct. There are plenty of closed-loop theories that people have used their emotions to validate, so its unsurprising that people would be able to do the same with Law of Attraction (another in a long line of close-looped ideas)."I can tell all of you that have read the Abraham material and are now feeling let down by them, that if you really feel let down, then you truly don't understand what they have been teaching. "I understand that they have been telling people that these teachings are able to help them prevent and treat illness. I should warn all gurus, if you are going to promote that kind of philosophy (and present no evidence for its validity), don't be surprised when you are criticized for not being able to live it--especially when your channeled entity continually tells people how easy it is to live these ideas."I guarantee that if everyone that is thinking negatively about this would truly and genuinely see Jerry in the vortex he would heal very very fast."I studied these teachings long enough to know that--even if we were all thinking negatively about Jerry--if he got into his vortex, he would heal very fast regardless of what we chose to think about him. According to Abraham, he is the creator of his reality. We are not. Also, Abraham has said that they are able to change a person's diagnosis just by holding them in suspended attention for an afternoon. If that's the case it doesn't really matter what we think."...its also about time that you humans begin to awaken and free yourselves."Am I not addressing a human right now?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First of all, just because Jerry is going through this situation doesn't mean that law of attraction is fake or doesn't work. I myself came to the realization of law of attraction completely on my own without every reading or hearing about it. I was in astronomy class when they started talking about quantum physics and the string theory and after the lecture, I realized that since these strings of energy are vibration and depending on how they vibrate they create quarks which then create protons, neutrons and electrons which then create atoms and then you have molecules and thus everything is vibrating then everything is condensed energy. I came to many conclusions completely on my own and I realized that since everything is energy and we have energy in our body and that we also have thought waves, then if you think of something long enough then you eventually it condenses and when you can sense it with your normal five senses, it is what one would call a manifestation. I didn't have anyone tell me any of this until 4 years later I saw the secret and all of my own conclusions and theories where confirmed. Later I saw may books on law of attraction but none of them rang a bell until I saw the Abraham books. At the time I did not know that Abraham hicks was behind the secret but something inside me told me that this was thee book to get. Do you people really think that this is all a coincidence, well I know my life better than any of you and I can tell you it is not. Law of attraction is real and we don't need Esther, Jerry, Abraham or anyone else to figure it out. All the answers are inside of you if you will only be honest with yourself and look. I personally am grateful for all of Abraham/Hicks work since it has helped me with my own studies and research of what I have found out for myself. I can tell all of you that have read the Abraham material and are now feeling let down by them, that if you really feel let down, then you truly don't understand what they have been teaching. As you move on in life, life causes you to grow and with that you pick up speed. As Abraham has said you must keep up with who you are in order to stay afloat so to say. And none of you can accurately judge Jerry and say that he or Esther is a fraud because none of you know what jerry is going through vibrationally/emotionally. Next, Abraham has said that it is best to follow the path of less resistance and if Jerry feels that the path of less resistance is a doctor than he IS following Abrahams advise. Abraham is not a religion for you to follow but instead a teacher of the laws of the universe. If you feel let down then maybe its because you put your faith in them and not in your own creative power. Don't limit yourself because of what others (in this case Jerry) can or can't do. And finally How can you possibly even question the fact that Esther and Jerry are being as discreet as possible when if you have been reading there books you should know that coming out publicly with this would be very bad for Jerry's vibration. Thee amount of attention from all the people finding this out is not good and makes it harder for Jerry to change his vibration. The more you people give your negative attention to this the more you add to that negative vibration, daaahhh!!! I guarantee that if everyone that is thinking negatively about this would truly and genuinely see Jerry in the vortex he would heal very very fast. I have been doing research on this kind of material for a long time and the amount of pressure that Esther and Jerry hicks have endured by coming out publicly with this kind of material is tremendous. Most of you don't know what that is like. Personally I am amazed at how well they have kept themselves for so long and I do believe that if Jerry can find the will to make it through his own spiritual journey then he will be healed. Personally I think that for their own well being they should of never taught this material publicly. Its a lot to be on that spot light, but its also about time that you humans begin to awaken and free yourselves. If you hold Esther and Jerry accountable then you are holding yourself back from your true potential. We are at a critical point in human history, we cannot afford to live in the way that we have been living and we must evolve into superior enlightened beings. May you all be blessed and Jerry, may you soon be healed.

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      JenniferUnderwood 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Oh wow. thank you for your post. I was in a horrid situation a few years ago where i was living in an rv and miserable hanging onto some shred of hope. my friend was highly dramatic and suicidal all the time and it was impossible to stayin alignment when you feel like you are dying yourself. i went on LOA forums only to have people curse me with their self righteousness and be cruel that i am not in alignment. thanks to their pushing and me being my own enemy my health deteriorated, i never got anything iw anted, and i know live with my parents the past three years, struggling with health issues. thanks a lot LOA'ers for not giving a crap, and not having any compassion. they made me feel like everything i did was wrong.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Where, angie, did you see any objection to making money? As I've written elsewhere and repeat: I hope Jerry and Esther make enough to afford baths in liquified cash. It makes no difference to me.And you will also not find any argument against the "law of attraction," but that really isn't your game. Like all the others, including you, I believe, using a different name, who come here on a mission to defend "the teachings," your making an inappropriate comment at the very beginning of the lens, without reading the material, gives you away.What I'm writing about, to be clear, is what seems to be a questionable initiative to beat around the bush about Jerry's illness because straight talk about it would blow away most of their cash-paying followers by showing that much of what Esther has repeated for the last ten years is hogwash. And having spent my life in business, I object to Abraham-Hicks or any other enterprise running a scam operation or hoodwinking customers, just to get cash. Personally, I would rather flip burgers than resort to lying and conning people to make money. Unlike Esther Hicks, I can still look at myself in the mirror without blushing.And, by the way, I do have a book, A Million Different Things: Meditations of The World's Happiest Man, with a very positive message about conscious awareness and the importance of focusing on your intentions.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I don't know that Abraham promised ever lasting life and no sickness. I was wondering if Esther is immune to sickness. I will stick by the teaching, I think it's wonderful, and I do believe the law of attraction works, as it's worked in my life. I believe it's okay for them to make money from this message. What would you rather them do? Flip burgers so they can't travel and uplift people? If you had a great message I would buy your book too.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You are always welcome here, Fred. You have some challenges, obviously, and difficult decisions to make. I think you and Jerry made the right ones, and I hope both of you bounce back with strength and energy.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, I appreciate the info. I admit, I am scared. I feel I have an excellent onocologist. I didn't think twice about seeing the onocologist when diagnoised and starting treatment. Not sure why, possibly the survival instinct kicking in. This recent round of chemo seems harder than the previous one. I am staying with it. Won't stop me from reading and inquiring. I appreciate your allowing me to post my questions and comments.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I love you. I hope you die soon.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Hi, Fred. Google picks the videos based on keywords. The videos are mainly those posted by Abraham-Hicks. They have someone they pay well to produce them. They are produced for promotions, but I felt it was fair to let them have their say in their own words. Maybe they're right, and I'm wrong. You decide. I had nothing else of their to show, except the books, of course.In their books, in which Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires is the primary resource, they are clear that you bring illness into your life with your thoughts (can't get there any other way) and that, conversely, you can bring yourself perfect health within thirty days simply by changing your thoughts and vibrations, no doctors needed. Even as they reaffirmed this in many recorded sessions that are publicly available, if you want to pay for them, they've sidestepped liability by adding that taking medication is okay if you feel that it's "nourishing," whatever that means.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: I played the link you posted. Either it isn't the link intended or I am getting something different from it. I didn't hear Esther (aka Abe) say not to go to the doctor. That the doctor and Abe's teachings could compliment each other and bring this individual comfort. The message I left with is it is okay to go to the doctor, but it was actually the person's choice. I bookmarked it and replay again a few days to see if I hear anything different. I appreciate your sharing.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Sue,That is the same reason I got out of that scene. It turns people into insensitive, arrogant narcissists. The way this woman reacted to your shoulder injury and then ignored you when you used her own logic on her situation is exactly why there are people defending Jerry for using chemotherapy. I think the term for that is cognitive dissonance. If a 'regular' A-H follower said they are going to use chemotherapy to fight illness they would get a completely different reaction. Jerry deserves compassion for what he's going through, but so does everyone else who is ill. And medical treatment. Abraham says you have to wait for the person to come up to your vibration, that you shouldn't join someone in their vibration of illness. And that you could have every disease known to man and heal it within 30 days by shifting vibration. And:"There is a truth of cancer, and a truth of wellness. Which truth serves you? You can activate either within you, and make it your truth."Why do people act as if Abraham never said this?

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi Risk,It appears that you are not one who has spent much time in regular contact as part of a group of A-H followers, because you have COMPASSION. I applaud you, because blaming people for whatever befell them as something they attracted, is part of the creed. That would include Jerry's suffering.As for the help they have given, I discontinued interaction with my local A-H contacts because they were living in a narcissistic fantasy netherworld. I couldn't stand it anymore.The final straw for me was when, after a long road to recovery from a shoulder injury, I was at a lunch with a group and I remarked on how happy I was because my shoulder was doing so well. This woman shot back at me that if I were in vibrational alignment I would have a perfect shoulder, and that it was because I was out of the vortex that It wasn't perfectly and completely healed now. In other words, I was flawed, I really wasn't doing that good, and it was "my fault." Forgive me Lord, but at some point later she mentioned that something in her life was less than perfect and she was working on it. I felt less than truthful because I DON'T follow that stupid creed, but I pounced on the Instant Karma chance to point out to HER that "she must not be in the vortex because it would be perfect." Of course she said nothing.Again, to your comment about how much help they have given. Yes, the power of positive attitude is a fact, but I see a lot of harm in the Abe teachings. Do you know some people have suffered serious illnesses, even died, from disorders that could've been treated with early intervention? I have to tell you, by their own teachings "Abe" would take issue with you in the hot seat, as they call it, with your very comment that it's possible Jerry's body has suffered. It is not possible in their philosophy, do you know that?. In reality, yes. But their solution is to deny reality and create this feel good fantasy reality that will somehow manifest. Read "The Emperor's New Clothes."

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      The reason people do get something positive out of A-H is because a person under stress can't utilize their immune system the way they can when in a relaxed state. So getting people to not stress out can be a wonderful thing and can be healing, not just for physical symptoms but even for emotional problems. You can take a step back and look at the situation with a lot more clarity if you're not seriously stressing out. That's the placebo effect, but it only goes so far. People don't tend to cure themselves of something like cancer just by the placebo effect. The people who've gotten something of value from A-H tend to blind themselves to the fact that it doesn't work to the extent that Esther claims. And that is where their message gets dangerous. The whole "It's waiting for you in vibrational alignment/vortex" is kind of like a carrot on a stick that keeps people coming back and not noticing that their not really getting anywhere.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Here's what "Abe" said about health challenges, to another person. (see link) Very sad to see Leukemia happen to anyone. So, according to their way of teaching, Jerry atracted this to himself, and rather than vortex himself out of it he's getting 38 chemo treatments right now? Anyone else see how dangerous this A-H philosophy is, on so many levels? Guilt, shame, for starters. I've long felt like Abe- Hicks people needed to read "The Emperor's New Clothes." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1urtVlmozk

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I am here because I have leukemia. I am also a student of Abraham Hicks. I had heard that Jerry had leukemia and I have an interest in how he is doing and managing his cancer. Early this week, my doctor informed me of shortages for some of the drugs needed for treatment. The doctor said there aren't many alternatives. This has created a desire in me for more information. Maybe the shortage isn't a bad thing. Maybe it will create new ways to treat this disease. I hope that is the case. I apologize for this being so poorly written. Since starting treatments, I feel as if my brain is in a constant fog. I have just started reading the lens on these topics. As I make may way through the lens and their segments, I may add comment or ask questions.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymouswuzzawoman: I hope you can see how Jon has taken this thread complete off question asked, which was, "Why are you here?"You are welcome to your opinions, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't, but this thread needs to return to the question and not be the platform for other opinions. There are, for example, opportunities later in the lens for your comments about Esther and Jerry or what I would call your excuses for them, which was probably your main intent to begin with. Other lensmasters have their own articles about Kubler-Ross on which you can discourse on the that subject. Please try not to weigh down this lens with a bunch of material that is, at best, only slightly related. Thanks.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymouswuzzawoman: First, I am fairly sure Jon is an A-H shill. Under Jerry Hicks guidance, anonymous emissaries are sent out to try to squelch criticism. One of the obvious cues is that they launch their attacks at the first opportunity on the lens, establishing that they haven't actually read the content. They also usually don't respond appropriately to the question. What I was trying to do with Jon is to stop him from gumming up the lens by adding irrelevant information that would distract other readers from going further. It's a tactic, and I need to maintain the integrity of the lens.It wasn't a bad day, but I do find the A-H emissaries, of which there has been quite a barrage, irritating.

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      anonymouswuzzawoman 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: Ouch! David! As a first time visitor (to both squidoo & your lens), did I miss something? (Yes, Jon's post WAS hard to read, so I very well may have.) Your comment struck me as a little harsh, no? (I'm genuinely asking.) Need I be worried about receiving such a vituperative reply (from you) to the reply I just posted to Jon? (Is he really a "shill" for the Hicks? Are there other posts by him where he's acted as such?) I sincerely hope not, coz I really *do* enjoy your lens, but should it be the case, consider me "gone." (PS: I literally SAID "Ouch," aloud, after reading your reply. Maybe he just caught you on a "bad day?" ["She wrote, hoping..."]) Peace, Brother!

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      anonymouswuzzawoman 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Jon, Just a little error in your post needs correction, lest those going THRU the various stages of "Death & Dying" feel they're "strange" or "different" in some way. (They've enough on their plate w/o adding *that* to the mix, yes?) Having studied w/ Dr. (Elizabeth Kubler) Ross & been privvy to the original research that lead to her groundbreaking work on the dying "process," the stages (5 not 6) of D & D are remembered via the acronym DABDA: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression & Acceptance. Contrary to your post, they are neither experienced by "ALL" (tho' virtually all experience at least a few) nor are they ALWAYS experienced in that particular order. It all depends on the individual as well as his/her particular circumastances and/or attitude/s, developed over his/her life. An elderly, isolated person, who's lost all they ever cared about may be thrilled to learn their time is up and go directly to the "Acceptance" stage. No denial, anger, bargaining or depression at all, simply "let go" and die easily -- ready for their next "phase" (if s/he believes in an afterlife). Someone whose just begun a new business venture and has high hopes for the future (or new parents or newlyweds or a young person), THEY would be prime candidates for going thru all five... but again, every one is different. Someone w/ a strong belief system might not experience all the stages, trusting in whatever "higher purpose his/her "God" may have in store" and thus bypass a stage or two and/or even go directly to "Acceptance" & spend their remaining time seeing to the needs of the "others" in their lives, to make their passing easier. Someone w/ good results from their first round of chemo -- or have experiences w/ people who successfully fought the same disease and beat it -- might also affect their attitude (and thereby "stages")... It ALL depends on the individual. Lastly, the stages are not necessarilly experienced in that order but, more frequently than not, the person may jump around a bit, going from denial to bargaining &, when whatever they'd offered as *their* part of the bargain had been "rejected" (due to a downturn in their condition) "backtrack" to the anger phase. (But it's really NOT a "backtracking" unless one INSISTS upon there *being* such an order.) More often than not, the patient may experience all 5 stages, but it's more likely (using the acronymn) DAADABADABAABDDA, etc. (For a sec, I almost wrote "abba dabba doo", but thought better of it! :-) As far as the Hicks' and Abraham are concerned? It matters not a WHIT to me whether it's a "scam" or not. That the info has been around for THOUSANDS (not hundreds) of years makes no difference NOR does their having made "bookoos" from it. What DOES matter is that what they've been "preaching" has led to the changing of hundreds of thousands of lives -- mostly for the better -- and that's ALL that matters. Every "Truth Seeker" finds his/her own Path and that Path may include many different Teachers and many different ways. I'm not a fool. I, too, heard/saw the inconsistencies in the A-H ways, teachings and methods, but much of what *I* took away (w/o paying a DIME, I might add) has literally changed my life for the better. I'd heard many ppl mention my "negativity" was getting in the way of my life (after a series of life traumas, I found having the "rug pulled out from under me" too disturbing and life-wrenching" to not "prepare for the worst," but the message that got THRU to me, was the one spoken by Abraham. I used to say (knowing meditation is beneficial), "it's easier to get a cat to sit on a hot plate than for me to learn to meditate..." and had PURCHASED various guided meditation exercises... but was the A-H's guide that finally enabled me to DO SO and I have been seeing the results. As Oprah said, in her 3-part interview, "It's the *marketing* of the message that has made Abraham's Teachings spread like wildfire..." (paraphrased) and she is RIGHT! What works for one may not work for another and Abraham worked for me. A million dollar baby? Certainly. But does that make the product any less valuable? Not a bit. *I* say we all stop criticizing Esther and Jerry (AND "ABRAHAM") and send them all the positive vibrations we can muster. As a cancer survivor myself, I know how terrifying it CAN be as well as what they are facing. *Abraham* is "the diaphamous mist" :-), while Esther and Jerry are human and have never claimed to be otherwise. Not only is Esther (who freely admitted to the feeling of terrible loss at the death of her parents) facing the possible loss of her Dear/est Jerry, but her livelihood, as well... while Jerry, for ALL their talk of "The Vortex", etc., is living "with the spectre of Death, sitting on his left shoulder..." every minute of his day (w/ or w/o Abraham). Let's get OVER the "yeah, but they SAID...." and deal w/ reality. Two people, w/ all the same faults and foibles as all of us, facing the possibility of the next phase of one's "life", the "Eternal Unknown," Death. (Even those who've experienced OBE's and "Dying," seeing the tunnel, the white light and returning, such as *I*, *still* feel some trepidation where dying is concerned. ["Will I suffer much before?" "Will it be the same as the LAST time?" "Have I done something in the 'in between' my last death and this one that will affect my last and final "Transition?" etc.) Neither Esther or Jerry ever claimed to be "in the Vortex" (I prefer Joseph Campbell's 'Bliss' to Vortex) 100% of the time. A little compassion, people!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: "....he is elderly, somewhere between 87 and 91,..." It might help if you had his correct age. Yes, I do know. I am in the process of writing something about him and have documents that show his correct age and other vitals. The info I have required me traveling to specific locations to obtain and digging into some dusty archives. Internet wasn't useful. Not ready to share anymore just yet.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Risk Winsor, if you took the same care to learn what they've been preaching for years (or even read this lens before adding your zany comment), you'd know that Esther and Jerry rode from town to town for years in a bus with a sign that said, "Life Is Supposed To Be Fun."They mocked strenuous efforts for achievement, saying that your "vibrational countenance" was what brought wealth or anything else, not hard work. Why would they contradict "Abraham's teaching," just to deliver them. Makes no sense."Never wavering on giving...?" Where have you been? Esther and Jerry Hicks are so down on giving, they brag about not even doling out money to charities. They have become very wealthy while giving. More power to them, but let's keep reality in focus.The reality is, frankly, that Esther and Jerry always worked hard at running this spiritual business, even as they claimed to be having a lark. They are smart, creative business people. Successful, too. Altruists they are not.Esther and Jerry Hicks have left a trail of damaged relationships in their wake. There is plenty that none of us have published yet, but I can assure you, the persona you are trying to create of them here is far from the truth.They are real people with real lives. Jerry seemed to thrive on his successes at Abraham Hicks, although Esther's getting all the attention did chaff on him. He is sick now, although he shouldn't be according to "Abraham's teaching" because he is elderly, somewhere between 87 and 91, and of course, time takes a toll on any body...which, again, is contrary to the teaching.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Jerry and Esther have served a needy public for over 25 years with rigorous scheduling. Never wavering on giving, is it possible that Jerry's body has suffered? Is it possible that the desire to bring Abraham's teaching to the public often took precedence in their mind over other more basic health considerations.? Why would some jump to critique them after all the help they have provided so many instead of sharing just a touch of the compassion the Hicks have given for years.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: And not to beat a dead horse but offering complementary - fill in the blank- is not a new concept. Airlines, restaurants, seminars etc. do it all the time when a cancellation inconveniences a patron.Yeah, I should definitely write the HIcks. They may have not heard about this (rolling eyes).

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Nicely put. He's clever, but if you read back, you'll see that he never addresses the issue. He was sent over to do his best to damp the criticism. I guess disappearing Jerry hasn't worked so well.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Masterful evasiveness, Jon. That you are trying repeated to change the subject away from Esther and Jerry Hicks irresponsible conduct is noted. You volunteer advice for all of us you believe not as wise or informed as yourself. At the same time, you come off as an argumentative jerk who will never be pinned down by facts he (and his handlers) don't like. This lens has nothing to do with people losing money. Clarity mentioned it as a grievance in her comment, and you seized on it as a chance to change the subject to something you think you are superior in arguing about. Had you ever read the whole lens, you'd know that you are wasting your time.Since you claim to be an insider with Esther and Jerry, I asked you to pass along some information and to clarify the insurance issue. You can't, of course, because you are not an insider but a poop boy trotted out to clean up the mess their scam has created for him. They haven't figured a way out of the hole they dug themselves; so, they keep sending people like you to try to find a way. Nice try.Try to stick to the subject, if you'd like to comment in the future, or I will delete you. And try to appreciate the magic of paragraph breaks. They make reading so much easier.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: DaveStone13 said~Clarity, I'm afraid Jon's ploy got you.~Um, are you saying Dave I bought in hook, line and stinker *wink*

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Jon, thanks for your reply. It was not I that flew over from tim buck two but others. You can rationalize this all you want, ballet being canceled bc dancers sick etc but lets take this into the context of Jerrys own words okay? Jerry has said on numerous occasions that he had already made his fortune with Amway, millions in his own words. Jerry has said he just wanted to bring this message to the world and since he had already made his millions making money off Abe was not the intention. After the movie The Secret he and Ester recount how the money increase was so huge it even surprised them. So, we can agree that they both are very wealthy. They knew the potential of having to cancel workshops. Workshops were can celled at the last minute and people incurred financial loss. Regardless of ballet analogies etc, if your primary intention is to bring this message to the world and you are such loving people then would not the loving thing be to offer at the very least free passes for some workshops either in person or live at the persons discretion? What you are offering me is rationalizations for what I consider to be bad form. I know a lot of business owners and they dictate their own polices. Some treat the customers so well they are an example of consideration. Others treat the customers like they are just a means to an end. When the Hicks realized workshops would have to be cancelled, even if they didn't realize it till the last minute (which I dont believe) all they had to do was tell their staff to make sure everyone who was left hanging be compensated fairly bc it was the right thing to do. Even if the Hicks did not want to offer compensation in a monetary manner (which they are perfectly able to do with in their own words millions) they were in a position to offer free passes. That you are trying to gloss over this egregious oversight with analogies to ballets is rather insulting to any kind of intelligent thinking. Didn't Abe say over and over we are lovers by nature? Their actions are not loving. Period, end of story. I do not believe it is up to me to write Jerry and Ester and point out what constitutes responsible business practices. She and Jerry are adults and should have learned by now how to act in an honorable manner. Its not like Jerry is a novice when it comes to business. Then again if you look at the business ethic of Amway then how Jerry handles the Abe business makes perfect sense. Just to make this perfectly clear, free passes would have cost them NOTHING.As far as HIPAAwhat a crock. You must think those of us here can't think.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      David, we could go round and round all day. I feel those who feel they have a grievance with the staff's handling of cancelations should write to Jerry and Esther. As for their financial information that is theirs to disclose just as you have the right to disclose yours. Keep in mind having the means to cover your medical doesn't necessary mean it is traditional insurance, there are MSA and HSA or just having the money. So if you wish to ask Jerry and Esther about their finances you are welcome to do so. So having said that you might want to take a more in depth look at what HIPAA covers and Financial Privacy Laws. Keep in mind that in addition to the Federal Laws there are also State laws in place. Many people control their health, many do so without following the Abraham teachings. So with that thought does that mean all these people who work to control their health or greedy and evil when the time comes that something goes wrong. I reread Jerry's post about the spider bite and chemo. I didn't perceive that he was claiming that the chemo was for the spider bite, but then I guess to each their own interpretation. Anyway, I suggest those wishing to form their own opinion reread it a couple of times. As for me stepping up to apologize for Jerry and Esther, I fail to see how you managed to derive that from my comments and questions. But okay, we will allow you the fantasy if that allows you to feel good and find meaning to attacking those who ask questions or have differing opinions. I thank God that I live in the United States and that I have the right to express my opinions and ask questions. Could you imagine if you lived somewhere that wouldn't allow you to post your comments and views or allow you to have a differing opinion? I will stand by the fact that I feel that if anyone was truly injured or hurt by Jerry and Esther as a result of Jerry's unplanned illiness and hospitalization or the cancelations they write a letter to them and politely tell them how they were hurt or injured. If it is about someone having to pay money to travel and not getting reimbursed by the airline or hotel, well there is travel insurance. People get really emotional and not always rationally so when it comes to money and finances. If you doubt my word on this call and ask anyone who works in the finanical or risk management world. My guess is that Jerry and Esther could have utilized a good risk management plan, something that many small business have failed to have. Take a look at small businesses in areas impacted by fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, pandemics, employee or customer injury, or owner's having serious health issues (such as cancer or heart attacks) to see this. Ahhh, yes we can all say that Abraham failed, and maybe he did. Others might say that these acts were a result of God's Wrath, Allah, or any other number of demi gods or powers that people may follow. That is probably why I, personally try to steer clear of deity worship of any type. Although, some would say that by my steering clear is not a good thing, but so far it has worked for me. I will periodically check in to see if you or your followers have made contact with Jerry and Esther to resolve the financial concerns that resulted from not being able to attend a seminar and the fact that a couple and their family are still struggling with a major health concern. For there to be credibility of this claim these individuals need to provide this information to Jerry and Esther themselves. Just as an FYI, many people with major health concerns such as cancer (and this includes their family members and friends) go through the following stages in this order before accepting: denial, anger, fear, stress, loneliness, depression, and hope. It really doesn't matter which deity or demi god or non-god they follow. They may not all be in the same stages at the same time, which adds to much of this. May I suggest that those who disagree with this spend a few weeks volunteering at a hospital or treatment center. (off topic a little, I don't suppose you could enlarge this box so that it is easier to key info into, read what is in there and even a spell checker).... Have a wonderful July, you are an intriguing man, David...

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jerry Hicks is the CEO of Abraham-Hicks and a public figure who showed no HIPAA concerns when he (or someone posing as Jerry) tried to palm off his illness as a spider bite. Besides, HIPAA is about protecting patient privacy rights. No one is asking for Jerry Hicks medical records. He and Esther are being asked to explain how his illness fits into the teachings that have earned them millions and why they tried to hard to disguise it. Another pertinent issue would have to do with health insurance. Esther and Jerry have said, since they followed Abraham's teachings and controlled their health through proper thinking, that they do not bother with health insurance. Is that true? Are they paying for this medical care out of pocket, or was that just another humdinger from A-H.Jon, you stepped up as an apologist for whatever Esther and Jerry chose to do. Your impression of them may be as fair as any, but I can tell you they are held in a much less esteemed view by former friends and associates who believed they were victimized out of simple greed. That said, if you are close to Esther and Jerry, as you say, please let them know that a lot of followers who believed what Abraham-Hicks told them about illness are baffled at the apparent contradiction and their refusal to help them understand. This would be a valuable service to people who have followed and trusted them for years. Of course, Esther and Jerry do not believe in providing service to others (unless, like Jim Carey, they pay huge fees for it privately); so, I'm guessing that they will leave them all hanging anyway. Maybe you can explain to them why it's a bad thing to do. They aren't going to get it on their own.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      clarity - workshops, seminars, conferences, shows and concerts are frequently canceled at the last minute for the reason of illiness or natural disaster. As to why you aren't hearing more ask the person on the inside that is providing information. Maybe it is something called HIPAA. I provided David more insight into my questions in an earlier post and he was very candid and honest in his response which I appreciated. David you are welcome to share what I shared with you earlier if you wish to do so. I asked a question and made a comment because I am seeking a better understanding of what is behind the hurt and anger. As I stated to David I try to include in my the practice of "do onto others" and two wrongs don't make a right." How would you have handled rude staff had this been tickets for the NY Ballet and the performance had been canceled due to the majority of the performers experiencing the flu or your reservations had gone missing for your dinner at the restaurant in downtown San Francisco? Possibly you should sit down and write a letter and let Esther know what occurred and who you spoke with. As for as the medical aspects of coming clean.... in the United States there is a law called HIPAA. I would pursume that even though Jerry and Esther own AH, they are also covered by that privacy law. I don't imagine that any business can be held responsible for hotel or airline policies that they don't have some type of contractual arrangement with. You should call the airlines or hotel and see what you can work out with them.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Clarity, I'm afraid Jon's ploy got you. Whoever sent him (and he made a nearly identical comment elsewhere), he is trying to change the subject, i.e., Esther and Jerry Hicks unwillingness to come clean to their followers. (These comments always come early, although there are more chances to comment later on, suggesting that these guys aren't even reading, just performing a service.)He never addresses that, of course, but comes up with other statements designed to catch your attention or to turn the conversation personal and evade the meat of the subject that way.As these initiatives expand, they become more transparent as the similarity in approach is more apparent. All I can say is, we've got their attention.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Jon, you are continuing a trend of writers using pseudonyms who come to lens critical of Esther and Jerry Hick and respond in a way that does not address the subject of the lens, but instead, they try to raise personal issues to gain sympathy for them. You say you are not a follower, but I don't believe you. The patterns are too consistent, here and elsewhere.Whether I am angry or not is irrelevant, but I do see that raised as a way to discredit the information as a regular tactic. You use this diversion to suggest some confusion over religious freedom of choice. What on Earth does that have to do with the subject of the article, which is Esther and Jerry Hicks efforts to dodge the issue that Jerry has a disease (which they still won't admit) that would seem to undermine the usefulness of their teachings. Similarly, I couldn't care less if Esther and Jerry "are close to others who are not followers of their teachings." What difference would that make? I can assure you that I have multiple close associates of theirs contacting me and portraying them as not all loving. In fact, they are well known to have cruelly crushed close associates in disputes, usually over money. The rest of your touchy-feely comments have nothing to do with the subject of the lens, not surprise because you did not come here to make a case for the public conduct in question. You came to help get sympathy for them, as a tool. I don't think you'll have much success, but you might.The reason you are unlikely to find success with this ploy is that the evidence is apparent to everyone that Esther and Jerry Hicks, whatever they once were, are now extreme narcissists who are not in spirit, even if they keep chugging along to make sales based on past history. They don't even have enough respect for the intelligence of their followers to tell them the truth or the empathy to let others suffering diseases that, according to Esther Hicks, they gave themselves, but confessing that it isn't all that simple.Oh, and by the way, I hope Jerry recovers from his bout with leukemia in sparkling health and has many more years to live. I also hope he returns to public life filled with new insights and compassion. I hope everyone, even those who feel they have been cheated by him, will pray for his full recovery.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: While you are struggling with lack of empathy for these loving people please explain the lack of empathy these loving people had for Abers who flew from overseas (for one) and from all parts of this country for a workshop that was canceled the night before. Not only was the office staff less than kind but these Abers who had gone thru great expense to come to a workshop were not even offered some free passes to future workshops (or Live events). I personally do not consider that loving. The Hicks are getting scorn because it is all about money to them. I don't care that they make money giving workshops and cruises. People are not forced to attend. What I do mind is that the Hicks have a refund policy for customers but offer nothing in case they cancel.All changes and cancellations to reservations will be charged a $20 processing fee.Any reservation cancelled less than three business days prior to the event is non-refundable. A reservation may be transferred to someone else for a $20 processing fee.You tell me how loving this is. Any idea what the airfare is to fly from overseas? Not to mention hotel, food, transportation etc? Not one dime or free workshops were offered in compensation. Yes we do live in a society that allows choice of beliefs. I believe that the Hicks are about money and only money period. Not only was it unethical to deceive ppl as to the true nature of Jerrys illness but it was unethical how the cancellations were handled.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I am struggling with the lack of empathy in the articles that have been written on this site regarding Jerry Hicks having cancer. There is also implication that Jerry and Esther aren't close to or loved by anyone other than those who follow the Abraham teachings. I am not a follower of their teachings, but I am willing to allow that there may be other sources out there (call them what you like, Abraham, Seth, Sai Baba, Budha, Isis...). I sense some anger in these writings. Somehow, anger may be causing you to overlook that we live in a society that allows choice of beliefs. I can tell you that Jerry and Esther are close to others who are not followers of their teachings. They are very loving people. You may not have experienced that from them, which is sad. When people are ill or hurt they turn to those they love and who love them (family and friends, their inner circle) to create a circle of positive prayer, meditation, energy source of healing love and strength.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: A group of us are waiting and guessing. What I think will happen, based on experience, is that, should Jerry Hicks survive this bout with cancer, they will say it was a lesson that proved the point and discuss it no further. If he doesn't make it, they've dug their way into such a deceptive hole, they may just have to disappear him, a process that has, ominously, begun already.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Jumped here from a related link, from curiosity about what steps they'll take next.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Good point. Just for the record, the more recent comments by Km and KarmaGrace seem clearly to be part of an organized effort to deflect criticism by giving true believers something to hang onto. It's consistent across over a half-dozen critical blog articles, and the thing is, they are so tactless, they park their comments at the beginning, responding to something to not in the article that follows, proving that they've never read the information but were sent here for one purpose only.Too bad they are so inept.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      "But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." --Carl Sagan

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Um, I dont hear Abe say its a struggle. Seems like according to Abe the Hicks get back in pretty quick. If they do get ootv its over minor things like a room full of mementos or Jerry messing up Esters purse. Certainly nothing as heavy duty as being ootv for so long, struggling so much to create leukemia.Besides Abe says~"We could take an example of the person who is noted by medical doctors to be the sickest of the sick, and if we could hold them in suspended attention for an afternoon, their diagnosis would change."2003/05/17 Boston, MAAnd who would have more access to Abe everyday than Jerry?

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Well, that's predictable because you, like KarmaGrace, whoever that really is, never read the lens before commenting. As a result, you addressed issues never raised. The cumulative effect of people like you are trying to lay strategic excuses for Esther and Jerry's Hicks dishonesty and evasions, here and on other blogs that have criticized the Hicks marketing machine, is to suggest an organized effort to try to change the subject by laying grounds for sympathy, trying to evade the real issues, which are: 1) Lying about Jerry Hicks cancer; never admitting he has it; working hard to keep up the happy go lucky facade the Hicks team tries uses to convince people that Esther and Jerry are different than what they portray themselves to be.Perhaps, like David Gordon, you are compensated by them to do their work as a front in creating an image that sells. Maybe you have another motive. But if you hope to convince anyone that this is more than that evasive scam behavior these two phonies are famous for, you need to actually make a valid case, not just punch up the marketing gizmos, then hide behind a pseudonym.These people got trapped by their own gimmicks, and they know it. They have no legitimate defense, and either of them or their cohorts had an ounce of humanity in them, they would come clean with the truth and help dozens of others in the process.Don't hold your breath. They aren't going to do it.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I agree with you karma :). On a side note, in several of Ester and Jerry's talks they openly admit that they too struggle to keep themselves in vibrational harmony. Just because they teach it doesn't mean they're immune from ever being put of alignment.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Yes, Kyra. It was obvious. The effort was so lame and weird, no real person could have come up with this. It was created with a specific goal in mind: Make poor Esther and Jerry Hicks gain sympathy by seeming to be martyrs. Now, who would think up something like that and hope to gain from it. Let me see... Hm...

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @David Stone1: People who are so eager to copy/paste are always a little suspicious to me, and KarmaGrace has reminded me why. If you go to the Wikipedia entry on Galileo, you will see that KarmaGrace has actually plagiarized much of his/her comment from said entry. Here is what I've found that has been plagiarized:" * Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[50]* He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[51] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.* His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.[52]" - Wikipedia entry on Galileo GalileiKarmaGrace, in not crediting the Wikipedia entry as the source, you are plagiarizing. Me and Dave (Dave, let me know if I'm wrong here), being writers ourselves, are not fans of people who lift other people's works without crediting their source. It is unethical and lazy.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @Kyra1985: Kyra, you're not giving whoever KarmaGrace might be enough credit. He or she is a genius of copy and paste, having made the exact comment on a half-dozen lenses without reading the content. The more I look at it, the more it looks like a managed initiative. Just doesn't read like a real person. The intent to make Esther and Jerry appear the victims of heartless people like you and me.Hey, it's the first time I've ever been formally connected with a pope. I guess I should be proud.

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      Kyra1985 6 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey, KarmaGrace, love the name. I would like to point out, however, that your comment seems to be a summary of the Galileo Gambit. You seem to be saying, "Galileo was persecuted, and he was right, so if Abraham is persecuted, then they are also right." This is no different than saying, "There was a man who got hit by a car on the way to the supermarket, so since I am on the way to the supermarket, I will get hit by a car." Just as there will be plenty of people who go to the supermarket without getting hit by a car, there will be plenty of people who are persecuted for their ideas who are not right.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Will there ever come a time in human existence when we will be able to conquer our own fears, cynicism. Will we ever stop hunting witches? Will we ever learn from the past? There was a time when man firmly believed that the Sun revolves around the Earth. Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life. His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.Galileo is today considered to be the Father of Modern Science. During any paradigm shift there is always the severe ridicule, then comes the vehement protest against the shift and finally the acceptance....until the next big shift in human consciousness and awareness.May God have mercy on all who wish these people ill-will, and mock and slander them. I cannot speak for their personal characters, but all I know is that they literally saved my life with a single video clip. May those who point fingers not live to regret their judgments upon others.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Interesting thoughts. Who knows where it will lead, but I don't see any way for them back to the mellow place that once attracted so many of us. Cheers. Thanks.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Dave, this is a wonderful post and I hope brokenhearted sees it someday. I was thinking how the Abe teachings used to begoing downstream. Now that makes perfect sense. Nature follows the path of least resistance, you see it when you observe nature, you see it referenced in so many books of antiquity, ie the I Ching for just one. By following that path of least resistance you do line up with things that go in the direction you are wanting to go. Ive seen it work in my own life. Even if Im trying to fix something mechanical and I just can't get it right the best thing for me to do is do something else. When I tackle the fixit project again I see a solution that I could not see before. It wasn't until Jerry was unsuccessful in copywriting LOA (the patent office basically laughed at him) that he came up with the new whiz bangVortex of Attraction. That started a landslide of ITV and OOTV, all the finger pointing when someone was out of the vortex bs. The very concept of get in the vortex implies pass/fail. No wonder so many Abers are struggling now more than ever.But the old message, be easy about this, make peace with where you are at, follow the path of least resistance is gone. Even though some of the words may be the same its a huge pass/fail mentality. Instead of life being a journey it has become destination basedget in your vortex.Thank you for your most informative post. Know what I wish? I wish Ester takes some time to find herself and then work on helping her daughter heal the damage done to her by a messy divorce and the stepfather from hell. Im not dismissing Esters part in this ruse but you're never too old to admit your mistakes and start on a new path. Its never too late to become the parent you should have been. Ester has not been a good mom and its time she started. She should take Abes advice and have a fresh start now.

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      David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: brokenhearted, I read the thread on the AbeForum. David Gordon thinks he has me blocked out, but I can read anything I want, anytime I want over there.My first questions was, why are Earth are you going to these cult-thinking airheads for answers. All they know is the standard mantra, and although they've learned not to use the words, the truth is that, when you are struggling, it's all your fault. You're not letting it in. More likely, you've been conned by Esther Hicks into think it's easy, and when that doesn't work, they have a built in mechanism to accuse you, not the failing teachings.Let me share something with you. I have several friends who are on the inside with Esther and Jerry or once were. They will tell you that Jerry Hicks illness is not the only thing they've mislead people about. First of all, that "life is supposed to be easy" junk they sell has not applied to them. They have had lots of tension for a long time between Jerry and Tracey (Esther's daughter) for his coming between her parents to nab his fifth (!) marriage. Meanwhile, Jerry is resentful toward Esther because she gets all the credit, and he's like a hired hand. Go back to some of their books and stories, and you will see Esther bending over backward to mollify the touchy, unappreciated Jerry.Esther herself has long shared her unhappiness with her daughter about the relentless money grubber she's married to keeps them on the road too much and she misses time with her only child and her grandchildren. What they sell is a facade.The worst of it is something you will appreciate. Rather than kicking back and just letting it in, as they preach, Esther and Jerry both work their butts off to accumulate their millions. I don't care about their money anymore than I care about Donald Trump's, but I do care that they mislead vulnerable people to get it. Comments like yours simply sadden me because you should be giving yourself a little room to maneuver. Fail a little, then get back in the saddle. Life isn't so short, and miracle formulas never deliver. You have the answer. You love music. If so, you respect a career in music enough to know it takes time, effort and risks. Since this isn't about me, I'll spare you the stories of how many times I've landed on my ass and doubted myself. Experience may hurt, but it's the best way to learn. And what more could life ever be about than having experiences, all kinds of experiences? But do me one favor, please. Don't get down on yourself. There is nothing wrong with you. I had to learn it the hard way after a lot of wasted time. Now, get your pride and self-respect up and step. Get the hell away from the AbeForum. There are no answers there.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I'm going to cross post this to the 'big 3' bc this is what abers are dealing with and more reason I think not spilling the beans (HIcks and whistleblowers alike) is unconscionablePosted an hour ago on the Abe Forum. The Abe forum where David Gordon is not only dictated to by the Hicks but is a member of the inner circle and would most certainly know of Jerry's leukemia.brokenhearted...Usually I wouldn't post something like this, cause I hate to show this kind of weakness...but I don't really know what else to do right now. I am so brokenhearted...I'm sorry this is so OOTV...I really want to die right now. I want to give up on everything. I am so brokenhearted. I feel like I am not happy here. I work on myself so much, I work on being happy and being the best version of me...but I feel like no matter what I do, things ultimately end up in the same place.I am sooooooo brokenhearted. I keep coming so close to my dream and it looks like everything is gonna be amazing, and I am so excited and positive and confident (and I know that I am b/c I am really in touch with my emotions...).. and then it falls apart, badly. For no reason. I've been living this over and over for years. And I keep trying to just pick my head up and trust and let go and know things will work out...but then they don't and I don't get it.And I know that what Marc would say is, well you must have a vibration of it or LOA wouldn't bring it to you....and that's fine and good and I get it...But i don't know what else to do.I am sooo sad. I don't know why if there is only a stream of goodness, that all of the relaxing and releasing I have done over the last year or so, all of the being happier, all of the trusting that things will get better...I don't know why things don't just work out. It feels like a cruel fucking joke. I had like 5 major major opportunities with amazing news that mean the world to me that I was so excited about and then 5 horrible disappointments and shocking outcomes...And each time I kept telling myself, that's okay, your so close. Who knows what little resistance is keeping you from this, but something better is coming. AND i was so proud of myself for being so positive about it and for trusting something else would come...and something new came along that was amazing. I was so excited, so soooo positive. So excited to work with this new amazing person who heard my music and loved it and was so nice and cool...and then, bam it falls apart for no reason. I felt sooo good, so confident, inspired, excited...I do not get it!i am so tired of this...Why can't life just be good. why can't it just be easy. Why can't this just work, cause I deserve it, cause I am great at what I do, because I love this more than anything in the world. Why can't I just be happy, why can't life just work for me. Why can't this just be the amazing adventure that it is supposed to be..it shouldn't be this hard. What the f*ck is wrong with me.....I don't understand why on earth I wouldn't want to come here to live like this...It is so damn hard here. If there is a stream of goodness and love then where is it, and why is my absolute best at loving and living and dreaming and hoping and releasing and distracting and meditating and trusting in the universe not good enough....I am so so so so sad...I love music. I just want to be happy. that's it. I just want to do what I love and be happy and give love to people and be happy. That's it...That's it....