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lies or truths in the calling of the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Updated on November 18, 2011

Lies or truths in the making of the disciples of Jesus, what do you know about it?

It is recorded that Jesus made twelve disciples that does not mean there were no other disciples but the twelve were closest to him in his ministry and time on earth. It can be asked, if theologians had actually considered the making of the disciples and the facts behind it. It is no longer news that the bible was compiled by men for men with the intention to teach men as those that compiled it wanted. Yes, men decided what to add and what to hide from the masses as they compiled the bible. Now people are awake to the truth and they ask questions but it seems there is nothing that can be done about it. Some people now free use other scriptures which were forbidden when the church had the power.

Let us consider what was recorded in the bible that was compiled then we shall know what are the truths or lies in the making of the disciples.

John is one of the disciples of Jesus and it is said that he wrote the gospel of John in the New Testament. Therefore, it is expected that he should know how he was called as a disciple of Jesus.

John 1: 40-43 “one of the two that who heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “we have found the Messiah”…And brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas…”

Luke 5: 3-10 recorded something different in which Simon was in his boat and John was close by the verse 10 said “and so also were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, “Do not be afraid. From now on you will catch men.”

Matthew 4: 18-21 recorded something similar to Luke’s record but with a little difference “…then He said to them “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.”…Going on from there, He saw two brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John is brother…”

From the record of Matthew it means that Simon and John were not as close as Luke recorded and the miracle of the fish catch was not recorded.

What is interesting and of concern is the record of John. This is because John recorded something different. Matthew and Luke recorded that John was called at the place Peter was called but John recorded something different.

Does it mean that John did not know how he was called?

Is it possible that John was right while the others were wrong?

Which of the records is actually correct and why was there a mistake in the account? How can we know the truth in the making of the disciples, if the disciples can not even record, correctly, how they were called?

What actually happened and how were the disciples called?


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    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      SpanStar, you first comment is not really clear because I do not know if you mean God inspired the bible or what.yes, you were not there when the bible was made but if men actually agreed what to put and what not to put in the bible then is it still inspired of God? That is, is it still the orginal message the authors got by inspiration or whatever if things were changed by men? Dave said,the disciples told different stories because they were called at different times even when John witnessed Peter calling.

    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      Spanstar, I think you mixed your statement. You said you support Dave and you later said men edited the bible just as we edit books today. Good, then did men change what God inspired to the original authors or did the author got different inspiration from God on same subject? Secondly, this does not need inspiration because the disciples witnessed the events so they should know the correct story and what happened when Jesus walked the earth. Above they should know how they were called, its important.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      exactly my point, ty. Men say God is the author of the bible.

    • SpanStar profile image

      SpanStar 

      8 years ago

      You are to put your faith in God but frankly you're bit hard to follow at times by saying you'd rather think for yourself then follow the bible then say you follow God and got says he's the author of the bible. I pointed out that man not God is our worse enemy. It isn't God that's causing wars on this planet-it is men. It isn't supernatural power that is the cause for world hunger it is men. I feel we trust men too much.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      If I am misunderstanding you, I apologize.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      So you are saying we are not supposed to think? We are not supposed to use the free will God gave us? You say we are supposed to follow other men. What makes those men right? If God comes to me, I will not question him for I am sure I will know for certain it is God. But I refuse to take a humans word that what that human is saying is Gods Law. Back when the bible was written, it was used to keep people in line. They wrote it the way they wanted to get people to bend to their will. After all it was Eve believing the serpent and not her own common sense that got her into trouble.

    • SpanStar profile image

      SpanStar 

      8 years ago

      No they were not all wars but they all were evil based on man's ideas rather then blaming God.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      Almost all wars are caused by religious ideals. All those examples you gave were not wars. If we don't think for ourselves then we are doomed to repeat mistakes. If we follow a leader blindly, you are fighting his cause, not yours.

    • SpanStar profile image

      SpanStar 

      8 years ago

      I am afraid the statement I made regarding people thinking for themselves creates serious problem is True.

      *Adam and Eve thought for themselves.

      *Before the great flood of Noah's era people thought the themselves.

      *Sodom and Gomorrah thought for themselves.

      *Kings and Pharaohs thought for hemselves-(massive slavery)

      and the list goes on and on when we think for ourselves.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      not true, it is following blindly that wars happen. All I am saying is be sure of what you are following. Make sure it really is the word of God and not just someones take on the word of God.

    • SpanStar profile image

      SpanStar 

      8 years ago

      My Minds Eye53,

      I'm not exactly sure what you want clarified but my point being putting things in or out of books, magazines, articles, scripts is simply a practice that has been going on forever in regards to mankind.

      If I am to be called a sheep then so be it because it is thinking for ourselves that has led us to wars, depravity, hatred and so many other immoral activities.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      um...can you clarify that Span Star?

      If you choose to be a sheep, so be it. I would rather think for myself and not be led to the slaughter.

    • SpanStar profile image

      SpanStar 

      8 years ago

      I believe David Matthew to be correct in that I find your assertions with the Bible deceptive and misleading. Why is it that when people refer to the Bible everything done in their is strange and unusual referring now to the passages in and scriptures which were entered into and left out of the Bible. I wasn't there during the time the Bible was being composed so I have no idea why they chose to enter some passages and not others but as far as that being unusual-(give me a break) we have been doing it for a very long time creating manuscripts deciding what should go in and what should not go in. Often when we writing books we have to be concerned with how many pages go in those books so we decide what to put in and what not to put in.

      We talk about disciples writing the Bible and so what they write really isn't the inspiration of God, we treat this processes as strange and unusual however we never talk about the modern-day ghost writer. A person could be writing a book by being dictated to by the original author. The writer wrote the book however it came from the original author.

    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      Once again, thanks My minds Eye for leaving those lovely words. The thelogians are men just like other men and if they claim to know better then the question others should ask is, why can't I learn directly from God? Men are suppose to rise to a certain level by themselves. Am glad you hear God speak to you and you trust what you hear. The temple of God should be our body even the scriptures said it so those that clean their temple will make it a good place for God to dwell. Thanks I write so people think.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      that was supposed to be thought provoking.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      Thank you david for a though provoking hub.

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      I don't understand why theologians are said to know all. Does God come down and personally talk to them? I talk to God everyday and ask that he guide me down the paths I should take. I don't always listen because, well..I am human and sometimes I miss the message. Isn't Theology just the study of someone else's theories? Everyone of us should do our own searching and discovering. Why would you want to miss your "aha" moment?

    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      Thanks my minds eye, it seems your sixth sense is active that is why you are able to use it and think for yourself and refused to be controlled by the decision of men. The mistake was made when some few men decided what goes in and out of bible. They used it to control the masses then just as many people are still under whip. But many are awaking up to think like you do. If they had known they would not had decided what to put and what not and even try to destroy documents. All should see and decide

    • My Minds Eye53 profile image

      My Minds Eye53 

      8 years ago from Tennessee

      I don't guide my life by the bible anymore. Why? Because, if all the books were given to prophets by God, then how come a group of men can decide what goes in and what gets left out?

      The only "words" of God I trust fully are the ten commandments which were written in stone by the hand of God.

      I think the Bible are examples of life and trails we may encounter and possible solutions. I don't believe in God because someone tells me to. I don't follow a moral code because someone tells me to. I do it because it is right and just and it seems logical to me to believe this way. Jesus himself said to be a doubting Thomas. The devil can appear in any form, even as Jesus himself.

    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      Dave, I wonder how you comment without proper reasoning even when the bible verse are before you. Did I write any of those gospels? It seems you are so emotional attached to the bible that you read it blindly. Jesus had over 500 disciples I know that but 12 were close to him. Here John's gospel did not fall in line with others even when John should know how he was called or how the others were called. So if God inspired it why did he tell them different stories? Do they need inspiration when they were there

    • Dave Mathews profile image

      Dave Mathews 

      8 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

      Jesus called to himself 12 "APOSTLES" he had hundreds of disciples meaning students.

      The Holy Bible is the teachings of Almighty God, and Christ Jesus the Son of God. Every word in The Holy Bible, though man written every word was Holy Spirit inspired.

      You are taking Holy Bible Scripture and twisting things to suit your own purpose. Not all of the twelve became apostles at the same time, therefore their stories would differ one to the other.

    • davidkaluge profile imageAUTHOR

      davidkaluge 

      8 years ago

      you are welcome Plissee

    • plissee profile image

      plissee 

      8 years ago from Darmstadt

      Thanks for the hub!

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