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Teachings Of Abraham Hicks, Are They Really Crazy?

Updated on August 23, 2017

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15 Crazy Teachings of Abraham

Here's a question you can answer - Is everything that comes from Esther Hicks, channeled as The Teachings of Abraham, wise and inspiring?

You and I know it's feel good advice that's easy to follow. But have we thought these teachings through?

The simplicity and ease, the qualities that make them easy to follow, the dumbing down of more complicated concepts pioneered by others, may be what makes their all too frequent craziness possible.

No, they're not all crazy.

The core teaching started reasonably enough with borrowed (and uncredited) wisdom from respected sources, just enough to explain how, with the right hooks, it all got so popular.

New! Jerry and Esther Hicks Spiritual Money Tree, Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

What is known as the law of attraction, however vague, resonates with many people because we sense something true in it. It's the hash Esther Hicks makes out of it when she goes unhinged in front of live audiences that provides a home for the craziness.

Birds of a feather really do flock together, and most of us believe we've attracted things into our lives sometimes, more or less, out of the blue, just from thinking, imagining, praying or wishing.

But it's what Jerry and Esther Hicks did with the century old idea they sought (unsuccessfully) to claim as their own that sometimes trips the laugh machine.

What Can Your Learn from an Objective Look at Abraham-Hicks?

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

You might be surprised at what the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings really say? Did you know that all deaths are suicides? Or that any illness is brought in as an excuse by the person getting sick and, if they wanted, they could get well right away.

Forget what you think you know. Here is what they really say.

 

15 Crazy Teachings Of Abraham-Hicks - Law of Attraction Their Way

Except for the first teaching, these are in no special order. The first used to be their core teaching, which earns it bullet point one.

15 Crazy Teachings of Abraham

  1. "You get what you think about, whether you want it or not." I can't speak for anyone else, but I used to think about growing my hair back all the time. Guess what happened. This happened to a lot of other one-time followers, and after Esther heard the chorus of complaints (paraphrased as "Where's my stuff?), she had an answer: "You're not letting it in."So, it wasn't simply a law of attraction that yielded whatever you thought about. You also had to let it in. If your new Porsche, perfect partner or shower of cash didn't show up, you couldn't blame the law of attraction, it was your fault.Ultimately, Esther had to invent "the vortex," which is where all your goodies had already been delivered by the law of attraction, just as promised, waiting for just the right moment when you could let them in. Work on that vibration, baby. When you've got it right, the riches will roll right in.
  2. "You will never find yourself in a point in time when the subject of relationships is not an active part of your now experience, for everything you perceive or notice or know is because of your relationship with something else. Without a comparative experience, you would be unable to perceive or focus any kind of understanding within yourself. Therefore, it is accurate to say that without relationships you could not exist at all." Excerpted from the book, The Vortex, Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships # 429So, according to Esther/Abraham, no one has ever had an original, independent thought. And "comparative experience" is the only way to understand yourself.
  3. "There is no state of physical decline or damage that you could not recover from-none-not any, if you knew it... If you wanted it and knew that you could. And that's those miracles that they talk about every day. They're not miracles at all, they are the natural order of things. But because they are rare, people think they are miraculous. They're not. That's the way it is supposed to be. You're supposed to thrive." San Diego, CA on Saturday, February 23rd, 2002She hasn't explained why, now that we know that we can - because she's told us - none of us has yet reversed or even halted the process of aging. Her husband and mentor, Jerry couldn't pull off one of "those miracles that they talk about every day" when stricken with leukemia, even though he'd been snuggling with Abraham every night for twenty-five years.
  4. Speaking of Jerry Hicks critical illness: "It is not attention to lack of wellness that makes you sick. It is attention to the lack of many things. Chronic attention to unwanted things holds you in a place of disallowing your physical well-being, as well as disallowing the solutions to other things you are focused upon. If you would focus your attention upon the experience of physical well-being as much as you focus upon the absence of it, not only would your recovery come quickly, but maintaining your physical well-being and balance would also be easy." From "Money and the Law of Attraction: Learning to Attract Health, Wealth and Happiness"Of course, in 2001 in San Rafael, CA, she also said, "If you get a diagnosis that is not what you want to hear, the tendency is to say, "Oh, my god! How did I get so far away from something I want so much?" And we say, it isn't big like that at all - it's just a series of little things. It is the, 'I could choose this thought which feels good, or this thought which doesn't feel so good. But I've developed a pattern for what doesn't feel good. And so, it is the daily dose of not being in the receiving mode that keeps me not in the receiving mode.' And that's all that it is!"Why didn't she just tell him, instead of driving him to all those tedious (unsuccessful) chemotherapy sessions? Maybe he wasn't "letting it in," just putting up with chemo and other therapies for the experience of its failing.
  5. "Your point of power is right here. And we would like to speak on behalf of Seth, and God and Jesus and Buddha and all that have come before, and take it one step further into clarity and say that all of us from non-physical are having this moment - are you having the moment too? Or are you depriving yourself of the moment with some practiced thought that is out of whack with the longer practiced thought that Source holds?" San Diego Workshop, January 2012 Esther/Abraham "would like to speak on behalf of Seth, and God and Jesus and Buddha," not to mention "all that have come before." This is excessive, I think. Speaking on behalf of just God probably would've covered it pretty well.
  6. "When doctors and scientists try to find cures for diseases without taking into consideration the Vibrational relationship between the physical Being and Source Energy, they are looking for cures in all the wrong places. If the resistance that disallowed the Well-Being to begin with is not released, it will show up in the form of another and another disease. Your cells, because of their connection to the intelligence of Source Energy, know exactly what to do in order to become the incredible variety of functioning cells in your magnificent physical body. And in the absence of the hindrance that is caused by your resistant negative thought, that communication stays open to clear, up-to-the-moment interaction, keeping your physical body at peak and perfect performance." From the Getting into the Vortex Guided Meditation CD and User Guide Did you doctors and scientist get that? Were you paying attention to Esther/Abraham? Studying viruses, genetics and toxins is a waste of your time. Look for those resistant thoughts that people bring on to mess up their vibrational relationship. Make them stop, and everything will be okay! When I think about all the money being wasted on medical research when the answer is so simple... can't even stand to think about it.
  7. "Babies Are Thinking and Attracting Before They Are Speaking... Even though you are only months old in your physical body, you are a very old and wise creator focused in that baby's body. And you came with powerful intentions to experience contrast and to launch clear rockets of desire into your Vibrational Reality for the purpose of expansion. People often assume that because a child is not yet offering words, the child could not be the creator of its own experience, but it is our promise to you that no one else is creating your experience. Children emanate Vibrations which are the reason for what they attract - even from their time of birth." from the book, The Vortex, Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative RelationshipsIn case you missed it, this is how Esther/Abraham explains child abuse and infant illnesses. The children bring it on themselves by "thinking and attracting" before they are speaking. There are hundreds of followers who believe this stuff and pay big bucks to give them cover in public.
  8. "No one can deny you anything. Only you deny it through your vibrational contradiction." from the workshop in Boca Raton, FL on Sunday, January 12th, 1997Someone get this news to Ron Paul as fast as you can. He still wants to be president, and all he needs to do is shut down that vibrational contradiction of his. I think I should also tell my friend Michelle who wants to have her legs back. She probably doesn't know she's been vibrationally contradicting herself. Oops!
  9. "As you practice your more positive, better-feeling story, in time your pleasure will become the dominant vibration within you, and then as you couple your pleasure with your means of earning, the two will blend perfectly and enhance each other. There is no better way to earn money than to do the things that you love to do. Money can flow into your experience through endless avenues. It is not the choice of the craft that limits the money that flows-but only your attitude toward money." From "Money and the Law of Attraction: Learning to Attract Health, Wealth and Happiness"So, I'm wondering why all those arts and crafts people struggle to make a living all the time, doing what they love. Just not taking enough time to practice that more positive, better feeling story, which would of course allow the money to flow right in, I guess. How come they haven't figured this out or got Esther/Abraham's message before? Get out there and buy some books, people!
  10. "Any illness, or departure from physical well-being, begins at a cellular level - but the overwhelming propensity of your cells is that of thriving. All day, every day, your cells are reclaiming balance at such refined and subtle levels that most people are completely unaware of the power and intelligence of their cellular bodies. Focusing upon good-feeling objects of attention is the most effective way of providing the optimum environment for allowing unhindered cellular communication and the ultimate thriving of your physical body." From the Getting into the Vortex Guided Meditation CD and User GuideAnd all this time, we thought it was medical therapies. Makes you wonder why, when Jerry Hicks got sick, he ran after chemotherapy like his pants were on fire when all he really needed to do was focus "upon good-feeling objects of attention." You know, set it up for the cells to do the job, quick and easy.
  11. "Illness or pain is just an extension of negative emotion. When you are no longer feeling any resistance to it, it's a non-issue." San Rafael, CA - 8/3/02Salt your meditations on this with the news that this means childbirth, kidney stones, migraines and injuries - pains from all of these are just signs of negative emotions. When you stop resisting whatever, it's a non-issue. Discard the aspirins, codeine and all other pain killers. Esther/Abraham to the rescue.
  12. "Your action has nothing to do with your abundance! Your abundance is a response to your vibration. Of course, your belief is part of your vibration. So if you believe that action is part of what brings your abundance, then you've got to unravel that." Chicago, IL on Saturday, April 24th, 1999Got that? What you do, whether it's making sales calls or creating the fastest processor on the planet, it has nothing to do with your abundance. You need to vibrate better, and you don't have to do any of that other crap. I only wish I knew this while I was getting slightly rich in sales. I could just easily let all the other hustling sales people wear themselves out while I sat back in my chair, practicing my good vibration and watching the abundance flow my way.
  13. "Physical pain is just an extension of emotion. It's all the same thing. There are two emotions. One feels good and one feels bad. Which means, you're connected to your Energy Stream or you're not allowing your Energy Stream." Phoenix, AZ on Sunday, April 5th, 1998See above. There are only two emotions, get it? And you are either allowing your Energy Stream or you're not..." Wait a minute. What energy stream? Esther/Abraham seems to have gone askew during one of her hour long rambles. Starts talking about distinctly different things. Now, if you understand that, please explain about there being only two emotions, one of which feels good, the other bad.
  14. "We're going to give you a very powerful statement: Everything that you will some day live, in terms of life experience - and by some day, we mean as soon as right now, tomorrow, the next day, or some day - anything that you will some day live, you have first imagined. Because nothing will manifest in your experience without the imagination process happening first." Houston, TX on Saturday, January 5th, 2002Note that his insight was shared less than four months after the World Trade Center Disaster and during a time when Esther/Abraham was being challenged about some of her more bizarre claims. On September 11, 2001, according to Esther, almost 3,000 people imagined themselves on jetliners crashing head-on into towers a thousand feet up, being trapped so far above the fire they had to chose between jumping to their deaths or being burned alive or rushing up stairs on rescue missions to get trapped in collapsing buildings. There's more - all those thousands who lost loved ones that day, they first imagined it too. No joke here. It makes me want to puke that this band of followers just kept listening and ponying up cash for more...
  15. "You say, 'May I have...?' or, 'I would really like to have...?' or, 'What I really want is...?' and you can name anything under the sun that you can conjure, and the Universe calmly says, 'Here it is,' because it is known by All-That-Is that anything that you desire-can be. So, 'Yes, here it is.'" Kansas City, MO on Wednesday, September 15th, 2004Okay, so I'm conjuring that Esther/Abraham will tell the truth to her followers, close up shop and go away forever. Just waiting for the Universe to say, "Yes, here it is."Wait, someone's knocking on my door. Gotta run!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Nothing to add here but a thank you to Ahna for her thoughtful contribution.For the record, Ahnalira Koan is an inspirational book writer, among other things. Her explorations in the field far exceed anything you will find in the Abraham-Hicks library. She also has developed and published two sets of guided meditations. I've read and highly recommend her work. You can find it on amazing by searching "Ahnalira Koan" or you can find my reviews by searching for her name in the search box in Squidoo on your upper right.

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @CaroGnz79: Hi CaroGnz79I appreciate where you are coming from and your intention to be open minded and allowing of all viewpoints and paths. For me, it's conversations like this thread that are open to a discussion of diverse opinions that brings greater clarity to everyone who is willing to consider a different perspective. One of the things I noted as "cult-like" about Abraham-Hicks is that, if you go to the forum Esther pays David Gordon to moderate there is pointedly no diversity of dialogue allowed. Content is strictly controlled. That would just be one example in a long list of things I experienced personally and professionally during my tenure on the AHP team that was a flag for me personally. The way that AHP litigiously goes after anyone they think may be using what they call their "intellectual property" (even though they were turned down when they tried to trademark 'law of attraction) is another example of attempting to control circumstances in what looks to me like a cult-promoting behavior. I do not intend to be negative or judgmental when I express my opinions about it. I mean, rather, to be open and awake and honest in sharing my experience and observations. Everyone can take what I think and say (or not ; >) and apply it to their own experience. Develop their own conclusions. When I was deep in what I now consider to be the mythology of Abraham, I wouldn't have taken anything I heard--like I am saying now--very seriously. For me, though, ALWAYS it's important that the diverse dialogues are encouraged. It's one of the qualities Jerry and Esther found most frustrating about me during our time together.So, please forgive me if what I say hurts you. I am sorry for that. We are all connected, in my opinion, and everyone's feelings and thoughts matter.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      CaroGnz79 4 years ago

      @Ahnalira: Ahnalira, my response to your post was only regarding the cult comment. I am glad that you have found a way for you to do what makes you happy. It hurts me when I see people making comments about anything in such a negative way. I feel that everyone should be able to believe as they choose and nobody should turn off their brains and follow anyone without listening to what is in their own soul.

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @CaroGnz79: Hi CaroGnz79,Not only did I immerse myself in the teachings for 14 years, I worked in the organization for 6 years and had awareness of the inner workings of the organization. To say my perspective has no merit because I don't understand the teachings because I haven't watched enough youtube video clips is humorous to me. Because, frankly, if you watch enough of the youtube video clips, it's impossible not to find the incongruities and missteps Esther makes while she onstage as Abraham. I attended so many workshops and cruises, and witnessed so many of these incongruities and missteps, both while onstage and in their business dealings, that I finally had to acknowledge that--no matter how much I wanted to believe in what Jerry and Esther were doing (and I did not only because I'd invested so much of myself into the study of the teachings but also because I cared very much for them as personal friends), I couldn't ignore the evidence of my experience.This doesn't mean I refute everything I learned in the years I spent with Abraham Hicks. Indeed, one teaching that stays ever present for me is that we all have direct communion with Infinite Intelligence. It's simply a matter of learning to listen and recognize it. That's what I do now. It's a more solitary path, without the camaraderie of a cheering section, and I am much more inclined to serving a Will to Good in the world than I am toward serving my own self interest these days. Still, it's a path that serves me better than attempting control the world around me with my vibration. Rather, I do my best to keep my vibration in a place that serves the Will to Good, simply put.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @CaroGnz79: The typical out for Esther Hicks' followers is to claim that other just don't understand. We've heard it a lot of times. Yet, on a page filled with quotes, you can't site one that supports your case. It's curious that Esther's defenders never do.And, oh, by the way, aren't you "pushing against here?" I've probably read and listened to far more of the alleged "teachings of Abraham" than you have. I don't think they hold water. What I don't understand is how a think person over the age a puberty would bother with it.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @CaroGnz79: Whoever said spiritual speakers shouldn't get paid? You made that one up. I don't care is they have enough to bath in liquified cash. I do care about cons, however, small and large. Just try to keep the two things straight, if you can.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @CaroGnz79: Sorry to disappoint you, CaroGnz79, but although my life is going pretty much as I like, I have to let you down in telling you you've got the details wrong. Here's how miserable I am: I've been happily married for over thirty years, have never been sicker than a couple of bouts of the flu in my life and have exceeded everything I thought I'd do when I was young. Since I have one, I'd have to agree that my life is lived at home. Where else would it be? As a full time writer with most of my content online, I do spend a lot of time with my laptop, but it's a job. Maybe you've heard of them. But that's only for the last few years, after I earned and saved up enough money to decide to write full time. It's a privilege. Too bad you don't like it.As to you feeling that it makes me feel better to "bash other people's beliefs," it doesn't especially, but it does make me feel better to do good thorough research and write about what I learned. If Esther Hicks turns up a phony in my opinion, I'm just one man. You're free to disagree or ignore. Like most Abers, you object not to the specifics but that anyone would criticize your guru at all.You may not like it, but the real story, as you probably understand when you reflect, is that you're not so confident in your beliefs. If you were, you wouldn't care at all what I or any of the the other Abraham-Hicks skeptics think.

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      CaroGnz79 4 years ago

      @Ahnalira: They do encourage people to follow whatever religion they choose. Based on your comment alone, you do not understand the teachings. Maybe you should visit you tube and listen to some videos they have about religion. They do not steer anyone away from anything. They want you to experience life the way you want to experience it. Maybe you should research the meaning of a cult a little further before posting comments that are not based on facts.Then again, why does it matter to you anyway? If you don't like it...don't listen to them or read their books. I am pretty sure that you have free will to make your own choices.

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      CaroGnz79 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I couldn't agree more! Why must people be so negative towards something that makes someone else feel good? I guess misery likes company. It would be nice to not be judged by people that aren't saints themselves. I guess they must be the wiser than the Abrahamsters that are enjoying life!

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      CaroGnz79 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I guess because their work is spiritual they shouldn't get paid for it. Holding a full time job to support yourself AND then travel for free to offer seminars that help people feel connected should all come out of the pocket of the spiritual teachers. Maybe motivational speakers shouldn't get paid either????

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      CaroGnz79 4 years ago

      @ciyakkabi: It is pretty sad that you are so judgmental of people. Your life must be going EXACTLY as you like. GOOD for you!!! I guess it isn't reasonable to say that someone that listens to Abraham Hicks can use the internet and see a site like this. I mean, are you really that miserable in your life that is makes you feel better to bash other people's beliefs? Based on the amounts of posts you have here, I assume that your life is lived at home...in front of a computer all day long. I guess that must bring you joy which is why you do it. So, let's bash other people that find joy in listening to Abraham because your way is the only correct way to live....!!!

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Exactly right on, Ahna. Right on the button.

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: By definition, you could look up 'cult' in the dictionary and find a picture of an Abraham event next to it. That's partly why people who are devoted to Abraham-Hicks are so antagonistic to others who question them. They are defending more than a collection teaching concepts.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Thanks, Ahna. It does fit right in with a cult though, doesn't it?

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      Here is a thought I ponder on occasion: If the teachings of Abraham were soundly "true", then it follows (to me) that Abraham-HIcks would encourage people to explore a variety of concepts and practice finding what resonates with their personal evolution--that is a foundation of the teaching, right? However, in practice, the Abraham-Hicks system promotes followers (aka Abers) who intentionally avoid all other teachings. I know when I was part of the organization, it was a mark of disloyalty to question anything or explore any other teaching. I find that incongruent to the fundamental value of any type of teacher.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @ciyakkabi: As you know, having read the article, Ari followed the Teachings of Abraham, listening to hours of tapes every day for a period of years, going to the forum for encouragement and support. None of it worked, as they say, and she killed herself while being one of the most ardent, committed followers of Abraham. It should be a lesson to anyone that severe depression is not something you can get through by listening to Esther Hicks babble.

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      ciyakkabi 4 years ago

      I have read the Ari case. Well, blaming the self is found to be the underlying reason for most of depression or mental disturbances. in the abraham teachings your vibrational match is your reality, which means if something bad is happening in your life your vibrations are causing them, in the forum you can find many people trying to better their vibrations and some of them go so astray that they cloak themselves behind hysterical laughters to prove to themselves that they are getting it right. I guess Ari couldn't do that and kept on blaming herself for what is happening. If only she could go to a therapist or had access to the right medication for her case.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @ciyakkabi: As with man religions, ciyakkabi, the followers to along with the teachings at their convenience, and it's a good thing theres so much contradiction in Abraham-speak because it gives them a chance to pick whatever side works for them with a quote to fall back on.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @ciyakkabi: That stuff has always bothered me too, clyakkabi. Its not just a blame the victim theology, it lets the perpetrators of abuse off the hook as with the old defense of rapists who claimed the their victims really wanted it. But it also frees the third party observer from any social obligation to intervene or help out. After all, isn't this just the law of attraction sorting it all out? Why interfere?Its a theology embraced by cowards, quitters and people who hate life so much they grab any excuse to avoid involving themselves in it.Thanks for your thought.

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      ciyakkabi 4 years ago

      I don't even understand why their followers come here and try to prove themselves right. according to their teaching as long as they are feeling good that is all what matters, NOTHING ELSE matters. I guess it is a proof they are failing since they are here.

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      ciyakkabi 4 years ago

      "babies Are Thinking and Attracting Before They Are Speaking... Even though you are only months old in your physical body, you are a very old and wise creator focused in that baby's body. And you came with powerful intentions to experience contrast and to launch clear rockets of desire into your Vibrational Reality for the purpose of expansion. People often assume that because a child is not yet offering words, the child could not be the creator of its own experience, but it is our promise to you that no one else is creating your experience. Children emanate Vibrations which are the reason for what they attract - even from their time of birth. from the book, The Vortex, Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative RelationshipsIn case you missed it, this is how Esther/Abraham explains child abuse and infant illnesses. The children bring it on themselves by "thinking and attracting" before they are speaking. I swear that there are hundreds of followers who believe this stuff and pay big bucks to hear her say it in public."Oh, yes, I have heard a follower on the abe forum say that when he sees fight or accident on the street he turns his head thinking "all is well" and they got it very right according to the their vibrational inclination. They are delusioned to feel themselves as "vibrational elites" or something to this regard.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @lesliesinclair: Right, Papier, they took some interesting, complicated stuff and dumbed it down for cash from the spiritually lazy.

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      lesliesinclair 4 years ago

      Yikes again, as I read through a few comments below I became dizzied. The way I see it is that the authors took some gems of knowledge and polished away the real wisdom and marketed the results to the masses as the magic solution to it all.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You're a sad case, Julio. You're trying so hard to be right. It's almost too bad you're not. This is your last approved comment because you have nothing to say and don't know it. That's what makes you so frantic and scrambled. Don't take it so personally. In your life, plenty of people will agree and disagree with you. It isn't worth your getting so worked up over it. Enjoy the contrast.PS: 3/4 of the way through the day, I have around 500 views on my Abraham-Hicks stuff, not a ton, really, but not peanuts either, a typical day.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Wow dave lets count how many are following you today? Little to non. Is your message getting across to the masses ? No . Who are you ? ...I ll trust abraham any day over you . Dave one thing is clear the impact they have made to others good or bad proof or no proof is greater then the one you davestone will ever make .....and for those great leaders who you metioned Really dave you think they had no haters no one bashing them for their beliefs ....if you think they they were perfect beings who had no one that hated them your a clown mr stone. Why u need so much evidence? Were u a failed scientists who does blogs now?? Finally if I were to agree with you on this that will just make us both wrong. :-) smile for once.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: A little hard to weed through the illiterate spray of words, Julio, but I believe you're saying that everyone who made a great impact on the world were ridiculed as crazy. That's the sort of paranoid stuff you hear from cults, that they are being victimized and singled out. The truth is different.Many people have made a great impact without being ridiculed. Laozi (founding inspiration for Taoism) was admired far and wide as we Confucius. Thomas Edison in more recent history, and of course, Steve Jobs were both held in awe. In American history, George Washington was widely beloved. I could go on, but what's the point?You claim that "The teachings of Abraham or Esther do more helping than destroying, but you cite no evidence, just your belief, which puts this in a religious context, belief based on virtually nothing but your wish that it be true.Here's what I think. Two traits are common among Abraham-Hicks followers. First, they are spiritually lazy, looking for an easy way out without making any effort, willing to trust the slimmest claims to cling to. That's simple moral shallowness, but the second issue is more critical. Abraham-Hicks followers hate much of life so much they try to evade involvement by hiding behind escapist teachings like Esther's. They don't want to get deeply involved. And that is a problem because when adults drop out, it leaves the responsibility to others who aren't running away. We need adults to make our society better, and Abraham-Hicks followers abrogate their responsibility in favor of easy answers and escapism.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      If you believe that what abraham teaches is fake and misleading than that's fine......everyone who made a great impact in the world had little daves life your self finding every detail on why things were not gonna work and were told that they were crazy, lunatics, ridiculed the followers , I mean come on the non belivers will always be their nor you or me could get rid of the "daves" out their because we understand that they will always exist. The teachings of abraham or esther do more helping than destryoing . Why not make blog of alcohol Dave and the dangers or the number of lives it s taken . your contribution and abilities to find what's not right would help out greatly.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: What?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I think your right dave in everything you say and hey if it makes you feel important to your self about what you're doing than that's great because to me you a perfect example on how you attract what you want and what abraham ...teaches ..judge a tree by the fruits and you'll know were the roots are....so if you feel good by listening to abraham and you feel as if you improving im life then hey keep doing it . So dave buddy your doing great with your desires and your in alinement as well.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Visitor, I don't know Desai, but I think it's a fairly easy standard to copy, but to really fly, you need the marketing genius of a Jerry Hicks for it to have a real chance to make a fortune.Thanks.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I don't like when those "gurus" want to sell their teachings for money, selling spirituality for money became the business, they know it, like Abraham-Hicks, Panache Desai is doing the same thing, vibrating the mases.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks, Ann. I think in time you'll discover that what you've found so far is the tip of the iceberg for the many ways Esther Hicks doesn't get it right. Borrowed though the basics are from teachers wiser and more original, she dumbs them down to draw a larger audience and knocks them out real effectiveness.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I used to love Abraham-Hicks and thought that their teachings were the best to live by. Some things in my life made me put them to the test, and I realized that it is not enough to use "conscious" thought/the conscious mind to create. We have patterns and subconscious programming that could hinder us from manifesting what we want to consciously design. I think Abe-Hicks calls that "resistance". I think there is more to life than the tools Abe-Hicks offers. I still appreciate Abe-Hicks (they still have value to me) but I am now more appreciative of and open to other schools of thought.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: It's been around for a long time, and yes, there is something to it. But the greed factor comes in and pollutes the entire oasis.Thanks for chiming in, Susie.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I believe there is something to the Law of Attraction but much like Bible teaching, it sometimes gets polluted when filtered through human vessels. One has to separate the wheat from the chaff for sure! :)

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: SV, thanks. It really doesn't take a genius, does it?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Critical thinking. It went out after the baby and bathwater. Yes, the critical mind will slice through all the BS that is presented via EsterHam.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Clearly put, as usual, Ahna, but who really knows and will we ever. Faith may be as close (or as far away, as we get.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, I KNOW if you've spent a lifetime in One World thinking it takes a lot of imagination to break out of that. I KNOW that you think your expectations of things and people are logically drawn from your experiences and I KNOW that it's difficult to conceive of it being the other way around. It took me months to get my head around this. But if you truly have a desire for exploration, and you're willing to accept that you may not be quite so right about everything, then see if you can imagine the following.When you reach the fork and go left, theres another version of you goes right. The nature of the rules of this game are that your consciousness is limited to one experience, so you will only experience going left. Theres another version of you experiences going right. You exist in infinite versions. And yes those other versions are potentially wondering as you are about this particular version.Do you expect that there will be other humans in your experience? Then there will be. Will they be 20 feet tall? Not unless you expect them to be so probably not. Will Fred be this way or that way? If you expect him to be, then yes. Will Fred occasionally surprise you? Yes because you expect that to happen occasionally, but it will only happen within the range of what you know is possible. He will not fly through the air because you know that's impossible. You set Fred's boundaries just like you set the boundaries for everything. By your expectations, you attract into Your World versions of everything that are a match to you. Is Esther Hicks a charlatan? In one version, yes of course. You're creating Esther, so you tell us which one is in Your World.If you watch a movie, you see only what the camera is pointing at. Your mind fills in the context from the available clues. So it is with Your World. When you wake up in the morning, the bed, the floor, the walls, time and gravity are there, because you know they will be. Does the wall behind you right now exist? In a sense, not until you turn around and create it according to your expectations. Does Zanzibar exist? You tell us - you're making it up. Then how come "everybody" "knows" that Zanzibar exists? Its because you believe (know) that this is an indisputable fact and Your world and everyone in it is going to always conform to your beliefs.Is there just one version of the CNN nightly news? There are infinite versions. The one you see will be the one that falls within the boundaries you have set. But you might say that I can call up people I know and ask them to tell me what's on the news. If you are certain that they will tell you exactly what you yourself are seeing, then that's what you'll hear .. because that version of them is the one that matches your beliefs.If you lose your car keys, do you think you have to retrace your steps to find them? In truth you are creating Your World second by second, and they will be found in the place where you create them to be probably here or maybe there.. or nowhere, if you worry that you might have lost them forever So you might say this is all too radical or preposterous to be worthy of consideration. That's your call. I would say however that it absolutely DOES fit all the facts. In my experience, its the only explanation that does .. but it takes a lot of rethinking to start to see it. For me, once I got it, a lifetime of puzzle pieces started to fall into place. Your mileage may vary. (-:

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      Ahnalira 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Reading this dialogue with interest... just had to put my $.02 in for the fun of it:The law of attraction, per Estherham, is unprovable as far as I can tell after 14 years of studying it. The law of attraction, as defined by quantum physics, is limited to a very focused result that doesn't - again as far as I can tell - infer or imply the ability to bend or shape the experience to meet what "is wanted or not wanted" (as Estherham would put it). From my perspective, this is a "dog chasing her tail" concept to attempt to clarify.To say that law of attraction is true because scientists have proven it so is to refute the fundamental idea that everyone is creating their own reality. See how that is? Pick your bias and make it true, I say ; >) If there is an objective reality, then it cannot be true in the same universe that we all create our own reality. I believe that might be math :P

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Last comment. Your suggestion doesn't "fit the facts," at all. It doesn't account for two major things. First, it does not account for our interactions with others. They must be creating too, or are do we have the infants view of a world waiting to be manipulated. Second, it doesn't account for all the necessary things in necessary places that we all know are there for example, Zanzibar, Mozambique, Big Tiny Little, Edsel Cars, George Bush and Neanderthals. If you dreamed them all up, when did you have the time, how come I know the same things and who's responsible. The simpleminded Esther Hicks view simply can't explain a shared reality. Period.Dream on.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: I would also say, fair enough, that is what you believe. If you assume answers can come only from an examination of things physical, then once again your predictions are logical and reasonable. I would go further of course and say by this methodology, the answers can never come .. and that includes the answers to the biggies - who we are and why we are here. I know it looks like and feels like One World - solid and shared by everyone. It wouldn't be much of a game to play if it didn't would it. But what if, just what if, you really are a consciousness that's part of all-that-is? What if you chose to limit your consciousness to only one thing at a time to play this game? What if everything here was a product of your chosen expectations? What if you are here for the fun of it, to mix it up with others, and discover what it is to create second by second from this perspective? This supposition has some redeeming characteristics. It fits all the facts and it gives at least a reasonable answer to the big questions. It is also testable. If (and I know if's a big IF) you can get your mind around the concept, you can start to choose to expect different things - and I don't mean superficially, I mean REALLY expect. Then watch what happens. Who knows, some of the Esterham stuff may even start to make sense. But now I've gone too far of course. LOL Robin

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Fair enough, but that's really only what you hope or believe is "the way it works." I don't think anyone knows enough to justify that conclusion. Everyone seems to want an answer now, now, now, now, and Esther Hicks has always fed on that by promoting easy answers for gullible listeners.We will not have complete answers in your or my lifetimes. There's too much we don't know. Whatever forces lie behind what is observed as a law of attraction-like effect are far from our discovery today. String theory and the multiple dimensions, most of them total mysteries, it suggests are more likely the right track and can explain a lot, but the problem with string theory to date is that we can't test much because we don't know what we're looking for in the quantum soup. Much like dark matter, it is probably something we are not capable of comprehending and may never. Evolution prepared us for perceptions that help us thrive, not satisfy our curiosity.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Well hopefully .. not too sad. The good news here is that we are starting to focus in on our basic assumptions. Until those are understood, you can thrust and parry all day long and never communicate a word. Re science and dogma, well I haven't made a career out of studying your writings, but good point .. bad assumption on my part .. apologies. Re quantum physics and "matter collapses into a specific form", I would say that you are essentially saying what I said, but using more accepted terminology. Re "speculation", from a commonly accepted scientific standpoint, I agree - that's a reasonable way of describing it.Re "faith in this..", firstly, now you're doing what you accused me of - making assumptions that are not correct. Secondly re jejune - I assume you mean childish. Like my use of the word silly, when we start to become derisive, the discourse suffers. I withdraw my "silly". I think you are an intelligent, adult, clear thinker who uses words carefully, and it's unlikely that you would say silly (or childish) things. It's just that you have a different set of chosen beliefs (base assumptions). Now lest you say we are getting off-topic, let's get to the heart of this.In a historic over-reaction to religious dogma, most scientific discourse assumes that there is nothing metaphysical. Anyone straying from this gets peer rejection and in today's world that's career-ending stuff. That's HUGE. When you come from that place, this pesky thing called consciousness is tough to explain because you are trying to account for it in a totally physical world, and your experiments are all going ignore anything potentially metaphysical. This is actually a very unscientific approach and the materialists end up tying themselves into pretzels force-fitting consciousness into a purely observer role.Re alternate realities, I would say most of the quantum scientific discourse does accept that it's the only theory that explains all the facts. Of course it's too way-out for some (some I would say rather than most), so there are, as you point out, those who insist there must be some other explanation not yet devised.Re "nothing to do with this information" - it has EVERYTHING to do with the Law Of Attraction and if you are going engage that topic in this forum, I submit you will contribute better if you understand it at other than a superficial level - even though that's the level of almost all of the discourse here, and also, to be fair to you, mostly the level at which Esterham teach it.Without multiple versions of reality, the LOA makes no sense at all, because if I can have, be or do anything, then so can you, and if we live in One World, then what you do must affect me. That's a paradox. If I attract into My World, the version of you (and everything else) that's a match to me, then I am truly the creator of my experience. And that's the way it works.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Sadly, Robin, you may understand claims about the law of attraction, but your understanding of quantum mechanics is primitive and inaccurate. First, I never anywhere have said that science is dogma free and have written just the opposite plenty of times. Try to get your facts straight before making an argument. Where the heck you got that is beyond me.Quantum physics does not, at its core or anywhere else acknowledge "the role of consciousness in the alignment of observable events." What quantum theory does say is that particles become determinant when observed. In other words, potential matter collapses into a specific form when in contact with observation. That does not mean that consciousness determines anything. What it means is that, for example, a photon will freeze its spin when it interfaces with another particle. It's pure speculation that consciousness is a determinant and not just an observer.Even more important, most modern scientists, including quantum physicists, believe that consciousness is an accident, not a matter of intentional awareness. They believe that experiments have shown that free will is an illusion. For the record, I disagree, but you are still wrong when you claim that quantum physicists agree to the role of consciousness in alignment with observable events. It just isn't what they think is true.As for alternative realities, they have nothing to do with this information, but multiple worlds theory is one of many contenders but embraced by only a few.Your faith in this limited, shallow interpretation of the law of attraction, which no credible science agrees with is jejune, at best.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @David Stone1: Dave, as always, everything you say is sensible and logical. It's just that once again you're not on the same plane as Anonymous and therefore you're off the mark. Firstly your suggestion that science is dogma-free is silly. Secondly, at its core, quantum physics acknowledges the role of consciousness in the alignment of observable events, and also the possibility of alternate versions of reality. If consciousness has a key role in what-is, then thought of any kind is a creative force. By Law Of Attraction, if you choose to believe something, then that becomes your reality. I suggest it's at least worthy of a more thoughtful response.than knee-jerk dismissal.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Anonymous, you don't know what you're talking about. There is absolutely nothing in quantum physics that concurs with law of attraction premises. You just wish there was. Skepticism is a characteristic of a mind as healthy and active as evolution prepared it for. Unquestioning acceptance of faith based dogma is throwing away one of the most useful pieces of your humanity.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      According to the law of attraction and science, quantum physics, etc. As long as you maintain your skepticism, you won't be creating the reality that you truly want.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Joyce Wycoff, I'm pretty much with you on this well-written comment. Except that I don't think it was Jerry's death that caused Esther to lose her bearings. Well sad, she is as focused as she was when he was alive. This was a mission they undertook as a team, and if Esther is off base as I believe she is, it isn't new. It's been this way for a long time, probably from the beginning.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Interesting discussion. I've experienced and benefitted from Abraham-Hicks. I've also seen the harm and distortion that happens when spiritual beliefs are turned into magical thinking that tries to shove the Universe into a cause and effect machine that we can control at will. Add in the component of greed and we begin to understand the old admonition that if we meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.We're a long way from being able to understand the mysteries of the Universe, let alone control them. Which doesn't mean that there aren't practices that bring us into more alignment and joy. I feel great sympathy for Esther Hicks who has lost her life partner, an event that often makes us also lose our bearings.

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      David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: I'll pass. I've seen enough of these gurus for my own purposes. It gets a little dull after a while watching the same old tricks. Like hearing a remake of great song by a mediocre artist. Agony. Thanks for your comment.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      You should look up Melody Fletcher! She admits to "borrowing/being influenced by/fan of Abraham" mixed with other personal blogs written with her own humor and other original things. But most of it is her spin on Abraham, and countless paragraphs and phrases used from them from Abraham in the same way Esther "borrowed" from Seth.However most of the time she (Melody Fletcher) writes very practical and helpful blogs, it keeps the Abe cult going.Her views on death, empathy etc are strongly influenced by Abraham, and she even passes on the "every death is a suicide" baton.Have a look in her blog archives or search her site to see what I mean. There are also many mentally ill or vulnerable people on her blog too. Mainly housewives.She tells them the same things such as to think good feeling thoughts etc I think she is a pretty good/motivating writer, but many things are just like Esther.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @WriterJanis2: Thanks, Janis.

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      WriterJanis2 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Robin,Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Dave actually contacted me privately explaining things further and now I know where he is coming from. Something positive has turned out to be exploited. Sadly, I have seen this before. As far as channel information, I do believe it is possible, but like any form of psychic ability, there are times when the information is up for interpretation.Dave, you give people so much to think about. Got to give this lens a blessing.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed comments.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @WriterJanis2: OK Janis lets unravel this a little. In this version of reality that were all treating as the only version that exists, here it is as I see it.1. Is Esther channeling? Undoubtedly yes. I was once highly skeptical about this process but have come to see that this is something we all do all the time. Those who do it overtly are simply surfacing into consciousness part of the conversation that's always going on. I have come to that place myself.2. Is a channeled message pure Source? No it is always a translation, and as with any translation it will be filtered through the beliefs and opinions of the translater. You must always judge the message by how you feel about it that is the only true test. Take what feels good. Ignore the rest.3. Did they (Jerry in particular) compromise their message because it became big business? Undoubtedly yes. Having run afoul of Jerry and his lawyers, I can say that many actions they took were very un-LOA and at one point personally devastating (but that was my creation of course). As my guides Terah put it, Jerry was a business-man first and an LOA believer second. Not a justification, just a comment - he came from an extremely poor background. In the end of course (in this version), his disconnection brought about his leukemia and transition.4. Did they dress up the details of Jerrys demise? Yes of course. IMHO Esther missed a great opportunity to fess up to what they had been creating and move the whole thing to a new level. This is perhaps understandable given that the temporal Esther was under a lot of stress throughout this period.5. So .. regarding the LOA is there as Dave says definitely something to it? No theres EVERYTHING to it. The Law Of Attraction describes the way in which all energy (and energy=matter) in the universe is organized. Although Esther has always kept the message very simple, has on only very few occasions gotten into fundamentals like multiple versions of reality, and IMHO been overly reliant on some simple constructs like the vortex and the grid, they never-the-less took this message to the world in a way that had never been previously done. I truly appreciate them, faults and all, for what they showed me.Janis - do not be confused by those who really don't understand LOA and who perhaps are overly hung-up on A-Hs imperfections. You are in charge of your world and your life. You get what you choose to believe and expect. Choose well.Robin Retallick

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @WriterJanis2: I'll try to "un-confuse" this if I can.I have no problem with the Law of Attraction. The concept was well-known to me long before Esther and Jerry hit my radar. There is definitely something to it. It was an exciting discovery for me.The problem is with what the Hicks' operation has done with in creating a commercial powerhouse. Or, at least, it was one before it started shrinking in the last couple of years. The borrowed the "law of attraction" from the century New Thought Movement, using the term and a lot of the phrasing. Then, they claimed that Abraham invented it. They even tried to claim a trademark for it, a claim that was denied for obvious reasons.More important than the spurious claims of special knowledge are what they make of it, claiming to derive "teachings" that mix the bizarre and idiotic with the insights that many people can relate to, not to mention the showmanship.Jerry and Esther are just people who hooked up with a good idea and rode it hard. In the meantime, they may have disempowered many people by misleading them into thinking it's something it's not and chasing a profit for it.

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      WriterJanis2 5 years ago

      I'm honestly confused. I really enjoyed The Law of Attraction, but after reading some of your lenses, I don't know what I think as you've brought up some great points. I believe that in many cases, it all boils down to a person's personal belief system.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      The way Ester chose to speak through the spirit of Abraham using her as the spokes person was unnecessary, for/to me. To chose to speak of herself and husband in third person was possibly a marketing strategy. However I in-joyed and was inspired by every word they (the three of them) shared with me. They were or shall I say are an awesome UNION with the tools given to them in life. The journey they chose and the love they shared through that journey was what she needed during his departer of flesh. They charged a bit much to convey the message with the world! However, what was for me I received and welcomed and what was not for me, I knew it would find it's way to whomever required/requested or needed it. Namaste I am a believer in The laws of attraction, thoughts are things and thoughts become your reality, we are the creators of all of our experiences and we all are procreators! www.pkayhoops.com

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Nuff said, Robin. This is getting way off topic, but I'll leave it up in case some visitors are interested in following it further. It doesn't ring my chimes, but hell, I've been wrong before.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Ahnalira: That's the common One World view of things. It's a belief choice. Whatever belief choices you make, your reality will conform. Certainly this game looks real and solid, so most would agree with you (even most spiritual teachers), and would perhaps rate my "theory" as unlikely (or even as sophomoric drivel). All I would suggest is that you let it sit for a bit because it takes a bit of thinking to get your mind around the idea of multiple versions. It turns cause and effect on its head. It took me a while, but then for the first time in a lifetime of inquiry, ALL the puzzle pieces started to drop into place. Robin

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: Couldn't have said it better myself, Ahna. There are no blank slates, but there is an incredible array of tools at your disposal to create within (but not without) reality.

      Thanks.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Interesting thoughts.I agree with the first absolute of the theory you describe. Numbers 2 and 3 are not "absolutes." By the definitions inferred by what is written, they are perceptual filters. And, as perceptual filters, they aren't absolutes.Sometimes, I think we use too many words to say simple truths: We are empowered to define ourselves by our choices, beliefs, and intentions. It's that simple.However, that doesn't change the status of fact. A friend of mine recently was discussing how her 100 year old home had so many maintenance issues she decided to foreclose. She commented, "One thing after another and - you know how law of attraction works - because I kep thinking of what was going wrong, I just kept attracting more things going wrong." My response: "Law of attraction/schmaw of attraction... You bought an old house." That was a fact as it is a fact that the physical world degradeds and requires maintenance. Her perceptual filters and belieifs, of which she had total empowerment, defined her decision to go into foreclosure and deal with all that implies. She is the author of that response, in other words.From where I sit, what you call an absolute truth (ie "You are the author of it all.") is a myth unless it discerns power as 'response-ability'. That's my humble opinion.Best regards,Ahnalira

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: LOL. A not unexpected (of course) response.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: You've set a new standard for sophomoric drivel. Congratulations.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @David Stone1: Hmm let me see if I can explain this a little better. You see its nothing to do with whether A-H are this way or that way. They exist in infinite versions. In fact when you get down to it, its nothing to do with A-H at all. In one version they are all of this and none of that. In another, the reverse. And in others, everything in-between or beyond. The version that appears in Your World is a match to your expectations/beliefs. Once you have chosen what to believe, evidence that supports that belief will flow to you, and people that agree with you will rendezvous with you.You see, you are the author of the screenplay of the movie called Daves Life On Earth, and everybody in your movie (including me) is faithfully following that screenplay (even as you are faithfully following mine). Some things in this movie you nail down quite precisely perhaps the nature of the earth and sun and a day of 24 hours. In some things you expect variability how people behave for example and its this variability you are allowing that makes the game interesting. But in all things, you define the boundaries. As we form strong beliefs, we often narrow those boundaries. We put people in boxes. But the boxes are what we make them to be. A-H, and their followers, will always be, in Your World, what you create them to be.In this version of the world were intersecting in right now. Im guessing you have a USA and an election coming up. Conventional wisdom is that its too close to call, and billions are being spent to influence those swing state voters because this is a democracy and the majority decides. If that is your chosen belief, the outcome is right now, for you, uncertain. Actually in Your World, there is only one person who gets to vote, and that's you. Its nothing to do with looking at the data and being logical because you, in effect, are creating (within your boundaries) what the data will be.There are only three Absolutes.1. You are a part of the consciousness we call God, the Universe, All-That-Is (pick a name) pure positive energy and with all the power that this implies. You are defined by your intentions.2. As long as there is individuation, all energy (matter) flows according to what we call the Law Of Attraction.3. Except for 1 and 2 above you are always at choice in all things.Everything beyond that is the story we make up. Were here to enjoy the game, so of course its up to us to inhabit the particular version that wed prefer. If poking holes in A-H is fun, have at it. Just don't forget whos writing the plot. You are the author of it all.

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @anonymous: Robin, you get credit for responding with a lot more intelligence than the average Abe/Esther follower.

      I've been aware of and thought long about Multiple Worlds Theory for fifteen years; so, the scientific basis of you conclusions isn't new to me, as you seem to have hoped. It would be new to Abraham (Esther, really). In a recent hot seat conversation, the all wise Abraham thought String Theory (much more widely accepted that Multiple Worlds) had something to do with evolution. She doesn't believe in evolution, as you may or may not know, and so, she pooh-poohed anything to do with it. You're giving her/them credit for knowledge she/they don't have.

      I appreciate that you're reaching hard to find a reason to believe in the Abraham magic. I suggest you learn to trust yourself first. You have a lot more on the ball than Esther ever had.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Dave, (1) Ill go firstly to your bullet point #1, and then (2) to a more comprehensive look at the LOA because if you are going to critically analyze the A-H teachings, IMHO you need to get start from a more complete understanding of the nature of who you are and the world you seem to live in.(1) You get what you think about, whether you want it or not. I can't speak for anyone else, but I used to think about growing my hair back all the time. Guess what happened. So why was it that you thought a lot about growing hair? I suggest that what you were dwelling on was your lack of hair. And what showed up was lack of hair.Over our lives (once again a real simplification but lets start here), we all choose to believe certain things. As you and I practice our beliefs, they become what we just plain know. From these certainties, we build up a tapestry of expectations most of which we never surface into consciousness. Its that tapestry that defines (attracts/creates) the world in which we each find ourselves. Even though hair may have been much in your thoughts, you never really expected it to grow back. And it didn't.When Esther says ..You're not letting it in, what she/they mean is simply that you did not choose to expect it. So how on earth could you choose to expect it, when all the evidence points to hair loss, once started, as being generally irreversible? So now to (2), and the answer is .. because you have it backwards.You think you form beliefs by observation and learning about what-is. Actually what-is is formed by your beliefs. Now I know that's a big mental jump, but let me see if I can in a few words here give you a somewhat different model than the one you have been working from.Even from a scientific perspective, the solid model of matter is dead. As smaller particles are studied, theres a growing acceptance that nothing solid exists at all. And then theres the pesky and unexplained role of consciousness affecting things. For an expanding number of Qantum physicists, multiple versions of reality is being seen as the most likely explanation because it fits all the facts even though that premise has been highly unpalatable.Even as there is Flat Earth Society for those that believe the world is flat, one day soon Im guessing there will be a One World Society for those that believe there is one solid world we all share. Estherham have on rare occasion talked briefly about multiple versions of reality, but unfortunately mostly they have not, preferring to stick to more simple explanations like Vortex and letting in which leaves them open to criticism such as yours. But beneath it all they are spot on.Even if this seems a huge leap, see if you can get your mind around it. There is not One World we all share. There is, for you, just Your World in infinite versions. You inhabit the version of your choice. You choose by your expectations. In that world you intersect with the matching versions of the worlds of others. This elaborate intersection gives the appearance of one solid shared World. But for you, it is your creation a moment by moment creation. When you woke up this morning, you didn't think about it, but you knew that the bed and the walls and the floor, and time and gravity and everything else would be there. And it was.Is there a version of the world in which Jerry is alive and well? Of course. Is there a version of the world in which A-Hs actions have been consistently more acceptable and logical? Of course. Is there a version where they have long since failed and been dismissed as charlatans? Once again of course. The version of the world we inhabit is the one that is a match to us. Can we step to a new version? Of course we are all doing that in minor ways second by second.Is there a version of the world that ends on December 21? Of course, and if you expect that to happen, you will experience that version. If you do not expect it, then on the next day you will wake up to the news that we are all still here and there goes just one more dumb prophecy. Are the people who ascended in version one still here in version two? Of course. Those are the versions of them that had doubts.So .. a few words to try to convey a lot. Suffice to say that my attempt here has been to show you that the level at which you have been conducting your critique of A-H is not the level at which the real discussion needs to take place.Robin Retallick

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      David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

      @Ahnalira: There's truth in that, Ahna, but to Esther and Jerry's benefit, they never really claimed to be spiritual, just inspirational. There's a greater difference there than most acknowledge. With inspiration, there is no essential value system, just wants and desires and tactics to get them That's what what appeals to sales and marketing types about them. It can be just acquisitive without any other value.

      Spirituality is another thing. It may be just as self-centered, but it's always at the service of a meaning or meanings bigger than ourselves.

      Esther has always taught that "Source," which I call God, is a tool to access to get your stuff. You don't look for wisdom or empathy, just stuff. In fact, she spurns seeking peace and rationalizes that both child and animal abuse are acceptable. She has told followers that criminals are not the problems. Instead, it's all those laws that cause us to interpret their behaviors as crimes.

      Criminals are inspired. Seeking truth and light is spiritual.

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      Ahnalira 5 years ago

      It seems to me that there is just enough that makes sense -- like how the perceptual filter of the observer does influence what is being observed -- to cover up how many inconsistencies there are in the teachings. For me, ultimately, what it comes down as the fundamental flawed premise in the teachings of Abraham-Hicks is the absence of spiritual value. There is much, much more to Life than getting what we want in the life of the personality. This is the gap that makes the teaching 2 dimensional and stagnant for me. For a teaching to be dynamic and evolutionary, there has to be evolution from the personal to the transpersonal, from the needs and wants of the personality to the service of Will to Good... through thought and deed.