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15 Reasons You Can't Trust Esther Hicks or Abraham

Updated on August 23, 2017

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Esther Hicks On Stage

Learning Not to Trust Abraham-Hicks

Did you ever wonder how Esther Hicks learned about The Law of Attraction and channeling?

It all came from her husband, Jerry Hicks, who died in 2011, and his sources from the century old New Thought Movement.

But the real messenger, she claims, is "Abraham."

She describes Abraham as a collection of about one-hundred "nonphysical teachers" that deposit "blocks of thought" in her head while she's in a trance. She translates the blocks into words, acting out as Abraham and dropping the "I" in exchange for "we."

She's able to do this almost instantly on stage before live audiences, simply by relaxing and "letting them come in."

On stage, "they" begin with a greeting, a familiar warm up in which they tell you how pleased they are to have you in attendance for "co-creating."

That's followed by a riff on some topic, sort of a sermon and, then, a session where you're invited to march up and take a spot in the "hot seat" where they can ask ask Abraham for one-on-one guidance.

Off stage, Esther says Abraham dictates books by forcing her fingers to type on a keyboard.

That's the official story, anyway. In truth, while he was still alive, Jerry Hicks pressured Esther to write books to fulfill a contract with Hay House. He edited them, even while publicly insisting they were the untouched wisdom of Abraham.

Something new: Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree, Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

The production of new books halted when Jerry died. Did he take Abraham with him?

Most, including her role model, Sheila Gillette, call what Esther does "spirit channeling," but Esther spurns that label, singling herself out as unique.

She interprets "blocks of thought" from nonphysical teachers who are informed directly by "Source," a term she chooses instead of God, although what you and I call "God" is what she means.

But do stumbles and errors show us that Abraham-Hicks might be a product of hers and Jerry's ambitions and not some divine source of wisdom?

I launched this article by giving ten examples of mistakes suggesting that Esther Hicks could not be channeling anyone or anything, at least not channeling any entity that was bright, educated or well-informed and certainly not anyone intimately connected with God.

I now have a list of fifteen for you. It wasn't hard getting there.

The List of What Esther Hicks Gets Wrong Every Time

Here are the things that, bit by bit, convince me that Esther Hicks is making it all up as she goes along and that Abraham-Hicks, is a hoax.

The reasons keep accumulating as more people look at and expose contradictions and, also, as insiders begin stepping forward to talk about their experiences with the Hicks operations. The easy life of cruising along in their monster bus doesn't come close to resembling the real life, 24 X 7 labor of managing Abraham-Hicks.

  • Here's a bonus reason, making it now sixteen reasons you can't trust Esther Hicks for guidance or wisdom. Honestly, I was going to stop at fifteen, but this one was so very awful, I had to put it in. Ready?

    "There is no state of physical decline or damage that you could not recover from-none-not any, if you knew it... If you wanted it and knew that you could. And that's those miracles that they talk about every day. They're not miracles at all, they are the natural order of things. But because they are rare, people think they are miraculous. They're not. That's the way it is supposed to be. You're supposed to thrive."

    ---Abraham

    Excerpted from the workshop in San Diego, CA on February 23, 2002

    Let's start with "if you wanted it." If it's physical damage, even a simple one like a visible scar, you are very likely to want it. Easy peasy. And now that Esther has informed you that "you could," why not just make that scar go away? There is nothing stopping you. The next Abraham-Hicks follower using this method to repair physical damage and has before and after pics to prove it, let us all know about it in the comments below. I'll arrange for you to get me copies and I'll post them here. Promise. But I won't be holding my breath waiting.

  • Jerry Hicks lost his battle with cancer after choosing a course of treatment that seems a direct contradiction of "the teachings of Abraham." Belittling conventional medicine on many occasions, Esther Hicks (in her Abraham persona) said that a near immediate return to health was possible, simply by changing vibrations. It would take as little as an afternoon, she said. While she was able to blame the victims of cancer and other illnesses by pointing out that they just weren't getting their vibrations right, she chose silence when it came to the sick man who slept next to Abraham for 25 years and had been described by her as the best at managing his vibration of anyone alive.

    Silence is especially golden when it protects the cash flow.

    So, devastating was the news of Jerry Hicks illness and so clearly did it threaten to expose Abraham Hicks teachings as fake that, after a clumsy, unethical effort to blame his hospitalization on a spider bite, they released a convoluted story about how he went for "heavy chemotherapy" as the "path of least resistance," a throwback to older, forgotten "teachings."

    Not until Jerry Hicks died did Esther concede that he'd been battling leukemia. She offered no explanation about why he hadn't simply followed Abraham's teachings, opting instead for a saccharine monologue that had little to say in tribute to her decease partner and a lot about herself.

    Notes:

    Esther Hicks on the best approach to medicine: "The very best approach to medicine is,'Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?' Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, 'Let it go, let it go, let it go.' That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away."

    --- Abraham

    Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000

  • Did you know that a selfish child is "like Jesus" who didn't bother himself with concerns about others' (using Esther's word) "toylessness?"

    With this fantastic claim, Esther Hicks abolished Jesus' well-known empathy and kindness toward others in need and replaced it with indifference. (Remember, she claims that Jesus is a member of the Abraham collective of "nonphysical teachers."

    Earlier, speaking as Abraham, she connected herself firmly to Jesus (and other prominent religious figures like Buddha and Mohammad): "That which Jesus was, Esther is," she said while in her slick Abraham trance. It was first time Jesus ever became so narcissistic or enamored with wealth and possessions.

    There's more.

    In the same sequence, a concerned mother who had inexplicably come to Esther for advice introduced a new concern. It worried her (She couldn't stay "in the vortex.") that her son had a habit of kicking the family's cat.

    The always wise Esther Hicks ordered her not to interfere. It was between her kid and the cat. The cat was "teaching" the brat, according to Esther.

    Favorably comparing a child's selfishness to Jesus, followed up by encouraging animal abuse... Is this the spiritual guide to follow?

    Esther Hicks may be making it hard for even the true believers to stick with the her. Even the most duped in a cult ought to see the dangers in letting a child kick a trapped cat.

  • A lack of empathy exposes a lack of awareness about the contours of engagement in physical relationships. This is best seen in Esther Hicks' inability to comprehend the pain caused by the loss of loved ones in death and mockingly referring to death as "croaking," bragging about "being so disrespectful." Esther Hicks has stuck with declaring "delightful" every death experience without exception. It's worth noting, of course, that there is no one around who can contradict her, although growing mountains of evidence from NDEs tell a different story.

    (Note: Just for the record, Esther dropped the "croaking" references when Jerry died. He "transitioned," instead. Gone also was her heartless observation that, "It's always good to see the old ones go." Jerry Hicks was 84.)

    Probably the meanest is her claim that, after dying, we are without exception happy, even blissful, even those who have been immersed in a joyful existence up until that moment or who have left children, dependents and other loved ones behind. This trivializes life on Earth, just as traditional religions do, showing this "leading edge of thought" is simply a variation on a tired theme.

  • Esther Hicks claims that humans didn't evolve from apes, but were "a whole new idea." Nice try, but we share about 97% of their genes and the evolutionary track is fairly well understood. Other channels, such as Theo, have no trouble with evolution. We may be cluing in here more to Esther's (and the rest of country's) lack of scientific knowledge.

    Here is the quote in all it's thickheadedness:

    "There is thought, and there is Thought Form, and there is Manifestation. Manifestation is always in the eye of the beholder. So this time-space-reality that everyone is perceiving is nothing more than vibrational interpretation.

    So the Thought Form of that which is man was set forth from Broader Perspective, and has continued to evolve by the experience of those who were having the experience here on the planet. And what you actually see as man or human is vibrational interpretation.

    Now, did man come from ape? No, man was a different idea. So how does the idea of evolution occur? And we say: because the idea of each species was set forth, and as the experience of the species is lived, the idea expands. So the expansion is happening from the Leading Edge place and is supported from the Source Energy that flows everywhere the idea goes."

    Esther Hicks has also said recently that humans were on Earth during the time of the dinosaurs, missing her guess by only a few billion years.

    Wouldn't you think any "nonphysical entity" with the access to all the insight in the universe, as Esther and Jerry Hicks claim Abraham has, might actually know what high school science teaches can't be true?

Alternatives for Spiritual Guidance

If it's a spiritual journey you're on and you want a teacher or teachers, you can find better choices. Here are some personal recommendations from books I've enjoyed.

Unleash the Power Within: Personal Coaching from Anthony Robbins That Will Transform Your Life!
Unleash the Power Within: Personal Coaching from Anthony Robbins That Will Transform Your Life!

Anthony Robbins asks you to accept the reality of awakening and the need for making a massive effort to get what you want.

 

Ancient Alternative that Survives the Test of Time

The Four Agreements Toltec Wisdom Collection: 3-Book Boxed Set
The Four Agreements Toltec Wisdom Collection: 3-Book Boxed Set

The beautiful thing about The Four Agreements is the simple honesty of it. The wisdom may be ancient, but the insight is timeless. It can help you adjust your life, right now, today.

 

Take a Long Hard Look at the Teachings of Abraham

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Have you ever looked at the story Jerry and Esther told about the birth of Abraham? What do the teachings really say? You might be surprised, even shocked at what you learn.

 

Where Jerry Hicks Learned What Became the Teachings Of Abraham

The sources for the teachings of Abraham in style and content aren't hard to find.

Jerry Hicks' Bible

Think and Grow Rich
Think and Grow Rich

This was Jerry Hicks bible, the "secret" wisdom from which he drew the teachings.

 

Five More Things Esther Hicks Always Gets Wrong

  • "Abraham Live," maybe the creepiest thing to come out the Abraham-Hicks marketing machine, even if the title itself wasn't weirdly funny, has begun to run concurrent with the workshops. For only seventy-five bucks, with no right to record a copy, followers can watch Esther do her shtick on their computers.

    In short, the Hicks Team is webcasting their workshops, much as the monster churches do, and they are probably gearing up to ask followers to pony up subscription fees, taking greed to a whole new level. As Gordon Gecko pointed out, greed can be good, but when you consider the sales pitch for this thing, it's hard to imagine who would pony up seventy-five hard-earned dollars for it or, really, why followers aren't already fleeing.

    Quoting directly from the announcement:

    "We recently had a chat with Abraham about these upcoming global broadcasts of our live seminars, which will allow people to participate in a live event without actually being in the room. So many people, from so many places around the world, have requested that we travel to their countries so that they can participate with Abraham, and this new Live Stream broadcast answers that request. It will be a great way for people who can't be, or don't want to be, in the seminar room to still participate in the seminar.

    "As Abraham used the word 'participate,' Jerry asked, 'Since the people won't be in the room and won't be raising their hands, and won't be able to sit in the hot seat to ask their question, what does Abraham mean by participate?' Abraham smiled..."

    Now when you consider the unintentional humor of going "live" with a group of "nonphysical teachers" who claim to be "deader than dead," you might overlook the suggestion of having a "chat" with them, but what got me was "Abraham smiled.... Now just exactly how does a nonphysical entity, who Esther Hicks claims gives her "blocks of thought," smile...?

    Nathan, who thinks I'm "close minded" (probably means closed minded) and have a bunch of other deficiencies, commenting below, argues that, if Abraham can convey thought with emotion, then they can convey a smile. Of course, in reality, Esther claims they convey "blocks of thought," not "thoughts with emotion" and a smile is a whole other thing. Nice try, Nathan.

    The word whacky doesn't even cover it.

  • Asked about severely disabled children and how the Law of Attraction would draw painful experiences into a baby's life and that of his or her parents, Abraham claimed these were "old souls"arriving damaged, just for the experience, saying nothing about how struggling parents attracted them.

    An important aspect of their preaching about the law, as explained, is that we are always in control of everything that happens in our lives. A random genetic error, an accident, Is not possible, since each individual creates every aspect of their experience. Esther is sometimes forced to come up with some fairly crackpot and impossible explanations to justify implausible circumstances.

  • In Boulder Colorado in June of 2004, Esther said this: "Every bit of it is about economics. Every bit of it, without exception. Everything about religion is about economics. Everything about politics is about economics. And everything about economics is personal satisfaction. Everyone is personally motivated to do the best that they can possibly do for themselves."

    But in Kansas City in September, same year, she said this: "Your world is pointing toward an insistence on conformity which is causing you enormous grief. It's what's at the heart of all of your religious battles, and religious battles are what are at the heart of all of your battles. In other words, all of your wars and global irritation with one another are over your determination to promote sameness. Your democracy insists that it's the only government that works. And every religion (it's interesting to note) proclaims that it is the only one that works."

    But Esther, didn't you say it was all about economics? Oh, well...

  • Recent books, especially in the series starting with the power of emotions as a subject, are not direct quotes from Abraham. They are rehashed versions of the teachings, stretched out with object lessons about certain situations, much in the style of the earliest Abraham recordings. They are expurgated by Jerry Hicks, according to his own lights, which reduces their credibility for several reasons we can save for another time.

    To get a better perspective on this, try to get your hands on the audio version of these books. At the close of each, they include an Abraham-Hicks live session recording. The difference is dramatic. Moreover, the books are spoken by Jerry, not Esther, who appears only in the introduction. Jerry has never claimed to channel Abraham.

    (Note: It was confirmed for me by a person involved that these later books were a project conceived by the team as a way of repackaging teachings Abraham had already offered. The trouble, of course, is that this makes them someone else's selective interpretation, not the pure, gut stuff we were told came straight from Abraham.)

  • From the simple Law of Attraction teachings, the Abraham-Hicks team has added many complicated procedures and new ideas. Now, instead of "you get what you think about" and "birds of a feather flock together," we have a "vortex"where desired things are held in abeyance. They haven't been delivered because the time is not yet right or, the standing explanation, "you're not letting it in."

    Also, when it was revealed that, contrary to Esther and Jerry Hicks' claims, the "Law of Attraction" did not originate with them, they migrated it to the clunkier term "Vortex of Attraction," which does.

End Of The List For What Esther Hicks Always Gets Wrong

  • The 2012 harmonic convergence predictions. At first, Abraham shrugged these speculations off as useless because, according to the Law of Attraction, we will get what we attract then, and nothing can be predicted in advance. Later, pressured by true believers in their New Age audiences, they fell into the harmonic convergence line and talked about new knowledge and awareness in the world today that would lead to great change in 2012. Popular demand engendered new truths, it seems.

    By the way, none of the big changes ever occurred. Wrong again, Abe.

  • Wisdom, if viable, doesn't need all the marketing and image control used by Abraham-Hicks. It's getting to be as if Jesus were pitching pricey sandals and offering to lead pilgrimages for a fee.

    In a nearly ghoulish twirling of Jerry Hicks cancer into a marketing tool, Abraham Hicks on July 7th, 2011, sent out an email blast with this exact wording:

    "We so much appreciate all the inquiries and love that you have been sending our way and we wanted to give you a quick update.

    "We're going to fly to Del Mar on Monday for the next phase of our rebalancing act in getting Jerry back on his feet and feeling frisky. Every day we're experiencing the relief that we can only receive from Abraham as they remind us about the power of the Vortex. We are enjoying the comfort when we are able to ignore the temporary what-is.

    "Abraham recorded a wonderful segment for Jerry last night guiding him toward complete comfort and ease, and that is exactly what he is focusing on now. We'll continue our city-to-city workshop schedule as posted, which means that we'll be enjoying the company of our friends in San Francisco on Saturday, July 9th. If you'd like to join the generally frisky Frisco workshop group, you can call the office before 4 p.m. CDT on Friday (830-755-2299). The last San Francisco workshop was filled to capacity, so a phone reservation would ensure that we won't run out of chairs."

    They didn't even enter a paragraph break between the news of Abraham recording a segment, whatever that might be, probably a workshop rehearsal tape, for Jerry and the pitch for tickets. This isn't illiterate as much as it is Freudian. "Move over now, Jerry, we've got tickets to sell."

  • In twenty-five years, wouldn't these "eternal beings"with direct access to the "Source," or supreme being, have come up with one original, really useful idea? I'd have been happy with a simple cure for the common cold.

    (Nathan again, commenting below, implies that Abraham did provide a cure for the common cold. Right. My mistake. Here it is: Don't think about colds and you won't get one. How did we all miss that for so long!)

    Abraham has never provided a new idea. Esther and Jerry Hicks just took techniques developed by Seth and Theo, both of whom Jerry and Esther were very familiar with before Abraham arrived, and blended in ideas from the old "New Thought Movement." Abraham's "hot seat" conversations with attendees are entertaining and sometimes enlightening, but they break no new ground.

    I'm not saying they don't occasionally come up with something fantastic, but something useful and objectively observable would be nice. Most of us would love to have what Esther preaches be true. Well, not the animal abuse stuff, but a lot of it.

    How about telling us how radiation or toxins cause cells to become cancerous? Gold star for Esther, if she can peg that one.

  • Abraham's teachings are simple. There has been nothing new in a decade, except for exercises and concepts like "the Vortex."But like a jalopy without brakes, the machine keeps rolling from seminar to seminar as long as cash is available. Is this what one who professes to be as wise and all knowing as Abraham would do? Why not give it away?

    If the Law of Attraction works as Esther Hicks and Abraham have taught, then Esther and Jerry's abundance is assured anyway. So, why keep pumping out new products and cruises when there is nothing more to say?

  • Thudding boredom and marginal literacy have entered the realm of Esther, Jerry and Abraham Hicks.

    It's only fair to assume that an entity with the wisdom and access Esther and Jerry Hicks claim for Abraham would be thrilling to hear from. For many of us, they once were, but here's a recent entry from their Vortex writings:

    "I Can Attract Relationships That Agree with My Desires... People are not finding it difficult to find the mate of their dreams because that person is not out there, but because of their own contradiction to their own desire in the thoughts they offer about the subject every day.

    When you consistently offer thoughts about your future relationship that feel good while you think them, that means you are consistently matching the desires that you have discovered as you have lived life. And under those conditions, only someone in agreement with your desires could come to you. Under those conditions, no need for control is necessary.

    Through each exposure to interacting with others, you launch continuous rockets of desires of what you prefer. And only when you are a Vibrational Match to the culmination of those desires will you allow your rendezvous with someone who matches those intentions that you have gathered along your physical trail."

    --- Abraham

    Excerpted from the book, The Vortex, Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships # 80

    Anyone who can read that through without dozing off has my admiration. Who thought anyone claiming so much wisdom could be such an infinite bore?

  • Abraham Hicks is baffled by String Theory.

    You'd think an entity claiming access to all the wisdom the world has ever known would be able to comment on a popular scientific thread that might bolster some of their claims, but no. According to a recording supplied by a friend who prefers to remain anonymous, Abraham doesn't even know what it is.

    Simply, Superstring (commonly known simply as "string") theory tries to explain some of the peculiarities of quantum physics by proposing extra dimensions and constituents of matter that make the quantum world appear as it does. Abraham, after hearing a man describe himself as a "recovering physicist" and make a simple explanation of what string theory was supposed to do, politely listened as Esther explained that going back in time was a waste, seeming to get string theory as something to do with evolution, which, of course, we already know she hasn't a clue about.

    If Esther Hicks is going to continue faking Abraham, she'd do well to read some newer books and stop looking at herself in the mirror while counting ticket sales.

In Conclusion

If you believe, as I do, that anyone offering guidance from the highest spiritual source ought to be consistent and original, you will find Esther Hicks lacking. If you believe any God worth having would be compassionate, you won't find that in Abraham.

My fifteen reasons are a brief summary. I could easily find a hundred contradictions and errors in fact. If you're looking for a teacher, you can find better. That's a fact.

Faking or Channeling a Real Nonphysical Entity?

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© 2010 David Stone

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      James Clinton 

      2 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      Abraham channelling a puppy? Abraham channelling a three year-old boy who is still alive? REALLY? SERIOUSLY? Gullible, stupid people make me sad.

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      James Clinton 

      2 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      Touche' David. I love the DeNiro quote. "Perfect" is perfect. Thank you! :)

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      David Stone 

      2 weeks ago from New York City

      About right, except I'd add "perfect" before student.

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      David Stone 

      2 weeks ago from New York City

      Good question. Believers would say God's testing your faith. On the other hand, they have an excuse for everything. I think Robert DeNiro was right. If there's a God, He's got some explaining to do.

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      James Clinton 

      2 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      Wayne, I was hoping your response to David was sarcasm. I also left 'traditional' religion (Episcopalian) at a young age. It was the actions of Swaggart, Bakker, Gothard, and the episcopal priests in the bedding all of the women that led me to have a real distaste for religion and God in general. Don't even get me started on pedophile Catholic priests.

      David,

      Yep. My spouse has been through many of them. He started with Benu. Then there was Bashar followed by Kryon.

      Regarding Idle's 'biography' of Trump. I'm at the state where I have to laugh at the whole situation. But it saddens me that there are so many gullible, stupid people in this country. Which makes the following of such scam artists as Esther and Jerry Hicks so successful. I will always believe that Jerry was the prolific scam artist and Esther was his student.

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 weeks ago from Young Harris, GA

      I am assuming your last comment was addressed to me. You know I am just messing with you regarding "Jesus". 23 years in the same First Baptist Church ingrained me with this religious humor. I must have got saved 5 times during those 23 years by walking up the isle during the Sunday benediction to "accept Jesus as my personal Savior." Funny thing is: "If Jesus saved me for Heaven, why do I feel like I am in Hell all the time??? LOL.

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 weeks ago from Young Harris, GA

      I am assuming your last comment was addressed to me. You know I am just messing with you regarding "Jesus". 23 years in the same First Baptist Church ingrained me with this religious humor. I must have got saved 5 times during those 23 years by walking up the isle during the Sunday benediction to "accept Jesus as my personal Savior." Funny thing is: "If Jesus saved me for Heaven, why do I feel like I am in Hell all the time??? LOL.

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      David Stone 

      3 weeks ago from New York City

      It took a long time because, once you're on that road, you don't see a lot of easy exits. I recall, clear as a bell, being a kid of 7 or 8 in Sunday School, watching a felt board presentation about the Noah story and concluding that it was just nonsense. But where do you go? Finally figured that out.

      Anyway, just finished reading Eric Idle's "Sort of Biography." He's talking about Trump when he says that humors the only sane response to a pathological liar. I believe that can also apply to the current topic. You rang the right bell.

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      David Stone 

      3 weeks ago from New York City

      Abraham attachment may be contributing to his not feeling well, you know, separation anxiety. I'll give him this, he's got staying power. Unfortunately, like so many others, if and when he bounces Esther, it'll be to become enamored with another prophet.

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      Wayne Williams 

      3 weeks ago from Young Harris, GA

      DAVE!!!! You gave up JESUS!!! Shame on you son. You already gave up on the worlds leading spiritual guru: "Abraham" That in itself should have put you in an early grave. But GIVING UP JESUS??? Now you must be living life with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. Who is going to save your poor lost soul son??? Repent, repent, repent I say unto you before the second coming of the son of man comes and you get separated like the wheat from the chaff. You know that story, the wheat is the saved sons of God and the chaff are those who burn in eternal flames for "rejecting Jesus." Sit down now son and "have a little talk with Jesus, Tell em all about your troubles, and he will answer by and by" You know the tune, or at least I do. I will be praying for you Son!!.

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      James Clinton 

      3 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      That’s right. He didn’t even notice the incongruity. Don’t get me started on the whole xianity thing LOL! I find it interesting that when he’s feeling bad physically. He doubles down on the Abraham

      Keeping a sense of humor. I love irony

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      David Stone 

      3 weeks ago from New York City

      I'll bet your spouse never batted an eye. I'm not totally unsympathetic. I remember, many years ago, it was hard giving up Jesus. What else have you got? Well, plenty, once the veil comes off, but that insight certainly doesn't come easy.

      Keep a sense of humor about it. At least you never got hooked.

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      James Clinton 

      3 weeks ago from Washington, D.C.

      So. Get this. My spouse was doing his usual hourly listening of Esther/Abraham not long ago. Esther (Abraham) tells someone in the 'hot seat' that Abraham never says anything contradictory. This was so emphatic. It was one of those 'Protest too much' instances. I was in another room of the house but I could hear it as my spouse plays these recordings (pulled from YouTube) very loudly. Yesterday. He was listening to a recent recording from a seminar in Connecticut. What does Ester (Abraham) do but contradict herself. The first three or more people in the hot seat are berated with a phrase 'that is an old conversation'. Each of the people are referring to previous books, especially Ask and it is it given (what a bunch of hooey). Esther, whom you can tell was agitated about something, proceeded to berate each of the people in the hot seat. She tells one person who is asking about anger to not get angry. That anger is not a 'satisfying' emotion. This woman with barely a certificate in bookkeeping is giving psych advice and being psychologically irresponsible. She basically tells this person that the emotional scale and the processes written in Ask and it is given is 'an old conversation' and doesn't apply to her teachings anymore.

      But. That's just the beginning. Three or four 'hot seat' interactions later she reverses herself when another person addresses the subject of anger. She tells this person in the hot seat about the emotional scale and the processes in Ask and it is given and suggests to this person that anger is ok and that the can work his way up the emotional scale.

      Oye Vey!

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      No need to "toughen up." Nobody's perfect (except Estherham, of course). Just keep doing what you're doing and don't look back.

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Sorry Dave: Guess you have known me long enough to know I carry thin skin. When you said the comment about those early books being the original Abraham before it got refined, I mistakenly took it too believe that you endorsed that material. My Bad. Like I said I need to toughen up. I am sorry to have misread you. Hope you are doing well.

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      God, no. That's flapdoodle. I meant that you were accurately representing the garbage they peddled on the way to a newer, nicer, but still bullshit Abraham.

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Hello Gill: A person such as yourself "who does not care where the words come from" referring to Esther Hicks is the same kind of person whose wife or husband is probably banging somebody else other than you, but as long as you "get a banging from him or her" every now and then, "It's All Good"

      To accept the message and overlook the lies and behavior of the messenger means you are on the same mental and psychological level as the messenger "Esther".

      All I can say is "you must be in some desperate state of mind if you find the teachings of Abraham calming." I won't keep the light on for you. You are too deep in the darkness of denial.

      You might be one of those candidates who reaches the point of no return to where you "have to suicide you way out of this life" to find your relief. The good news is: Abraham and his buddies should be on the other side of the curtain aka "The Non Physical Reality" and escort you home.

      It has been said before: No one like you arrives at this blog by accident. You found it by deliberately searching the internet for negative criticism surrounding Esther Hicks. You had already begun to doubt. And your search has brought you right to the doorsteps of David Stone's article. You are here because this was your destination.

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave: Are you saying you agree with and are OK with the AH teachings "that suicide becomes a must for those pinched off from their well being, and that our Higher Self aka "Inner Being" deserts us once it determines we cannot heal or progress further in this life?

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      Good for you.

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      Yep, that's the original Abraham before It got "refined" into more marketable form.

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      gill 

      2 months ago

      Really doesn't matter to me where her words come from - she is good. I find her very calming and I find her advice very helpful

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      Wayne Williams 

      2 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Hello Dave and James: Just passing by. I probably won't waste my time on replying to the long winded post that starts out: "Hi Everyone" and that rambles on without punctuation and spelling errors. I give this person the benefit of the doubt that maybe English is not their first language. I still may reply but not now. Anyway I wanted to tell David that I was going through a container of old books and came across my copies of A New Beginning 1 and 2. They both are paper backs, one has a pink cover and the other green. I think it was within one of these books where Abraham states: "There comes a time when your inner being becomes discouraged and realizes you are not going to get any further in this life and so the inner being withdraws positive support and you are left pretty much on your on until you die." When I read these words years ago around 2006, I felt devastated and believed them totally. The truth of the matter is that I was kind of already beginning to believe that myself. That book just put the nail deeper in my coffin. Talk to YA'LL later. I do wonder if my Inner Being or higher self has abandoned me. Later guys. Also I think it was within the pages of one of these books where Abraham states: "Some of you are so pinched off from well being that you will have to suicide in order to find relief".. Great, Great stuff for sure.

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      It's well-established the most people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence. They do that because they want to belong. Explains much about religions and cults.

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      James Clinton 

      2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      YEP. I've heard that claim often. The whole thing is malarky. Hokum.

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      You could fill a book with examples, starting with the public claim that "Ask and It Is Given" was the first book Abraham "dictated" Esther when there were already two, poorly received Abraham books already collecting dust on the shelves. Those are New Beginning 1 and 2.

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      James Clinton 

      2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Per 'Abraham' 'they' can't see color or even gender. However. In a seminar that my husband was listening to without his earphones. 'Abraham'/Estther pointed to a person in the audience and said you wearing the bright yellow. Just more proof that Abraham his a scam.

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      David Stone 

      2 months ago from New York City

      Like others clinging to myths, you defend them by selectively picking out claims, ignoring others and generalizing to justify "truths" you've committed to beforehand.

      And, of course, anyone who disagrees missed the true message, just doesn't get the wonder of Esther and Jerry. Too much gobbledygook here to address one at a time, but it seems you've worked hard to stake a position into which you're invested.

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      xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx 

      2 months ago

      Hi everyone,

      i just wanted to add my thoughts on abraham-hicks/LOA:

      mainly my health conditions, in which medicine/scinence/doctors mainly cant help me (severe asperger-autism, chronic fatigue and some other things), (they could only help me with some rather minor conditions yet) and some other circumstances made me start checking out their material. now i believe that the only logical way to approach it is to look for opportunities to get to verify or disproove essential claims made in that material. the body and health is, in my oppinion, one of the best things to try it on. and some things mentioned above show that one has not deeply checked their material, as they broke it down to: diseases are created either by disallowing the energy stream trough negative thoughts and thereafter negative emotions or by choosing to come into earth with a specific way to be either for being different or for having a challenge. the notion that they claim that manifested bodily conditions or whatever else must have been wished is not what they say. they are talking about energy disallowing and vibrational attraction. also, the fact that jerry, who was not even the channeller, was the partner of the channeller, died of a disease at a high age, does not show anything, especially since they said that noone can live forever in a body. who knows to what extent whe tried or even succeeded in using the principles the "channeller" propagate? or that even the channeller herself lives that way?

      also, the author argues with science, but fails to mention their dramatic failures especially in health care. their are thens of thousands of kinds of disease, only a part of them can be treated or even cured by medicine today, which is no surprise since surgery and chemicals are mostly what medicine has to offer.

      alot of people on the world and especially doctors and scientists are very ignorant and live a double standard when it comes to the huge amout of diseases and their sufferers where is no or atleast not much help from the official medical science.

      sure, its legit to preach what has been achieved (vaccines, chemicals and surgery), but health nor public health is about some cherry picked diseases. its about all diseases. and no, not just some rare diseases cannot be treated or cured yet. diseases that are called disabilites (wether it being moderate autism or severe autism, blindness, lack of limbs/body parts and so on) mostly cannot even be treated let alone be cured. cancer has varying success rates in treating and curing. diabetes cannot be cured. if someone worked trough the whole list of existing diseases, it would be realized that the situation is still not good and no, medicine has not succeeded (yet). being unable to heal most diseases is just one thing: failure.

      maybe abraham-hicks is bullshit and fraud, which has yet ot be prooved or disprooved. but its quite telling that humans love to practice their double standard. if one would set the criteria for medical fraud as follows: 1. method x heals the body when practiced correctly: legit. 2. method x does not heal the body when practiced corrrectly: fraud. - then where would todays medical science fit in? right, fraud. now someone will intervene: but some diseases can be healed? well, be cause medicine cannot heal the body, they have developed some provisional methods like surgery, chemicals and psychotherapy. thats why they can only be used in some diseases and even there, success is varrying.

      people like to outrage about abraham-hicks lack of empathy. (note: they have explained why empathy is, given that their teachings are true, empathy the way humans exercise it is a bad thing), but at the same time like to protect modern medicine and science despite their failure causing immense suffering. and the weirdest thing people then often say is: well its just not possible to change the body that way (like, for example, to heal a disability). what kind of logic is that? oh yeah, because science/medicine has not achieved something, it must not be possible. thats nothing else then talking one self out of reality into a fake world where science/medicine are the "gold standard" and what they say and know is right and everything else is not. apparently, people dont want to wake up and see the tremendous failure of the so called medical professionals. oh and the reality is: nutrition, tobacco and lack of movement only account for a fraction of the kinds of diseases. even taking together everything a "standard-humans wisdom" consists of (medical science, avoid some substances, eat in a specific way, move) most kinds of diseases would still exist and alot of people would still have them. i proclaim that anyone who cannot see what kind of a failure this approach is cannot think critically and/or rather wants to keep his fake-reality alive by denying to see the facts. and that science has alot of theories and further lacks alot of knownledge, just strenghtens what i said. and yeah, i dont need to explain that atleast most religions dont have any meaningful answers, especially regarding health and the human body. atleast most religions are bullshit, just as alot of medical science especially is bullshit, just as veganism and whatever of that kind is bullshit atleast in regards to health. the question wether abraham-hicks is bullshit certainly cannot be answered with some weak points made by the original poster/author here. all arguments regarding science have no strong grounds for the reasons i stated. the claim that they claim that scars and whatever must have been wished is not compatible to their teachings, though i know that law of attraction is wrongly fully tied to wishes often. i already corrected this, but again, they say that bodily issues and bad things are caused/attracted by negative thoughts and thereafter negative emotions. wishing is something else. they said people can have desires/wishes - step 1. the universe prepares everything thats necessary for it - step 2. the person must allow it by achieving vibrational alignment trough the right = pure positive thoughts (indicated by specific emotions). also, as it has already been mentioned, they explicitely allow parts of the workshop recordings to be uploaded to youtube. as 15 minutes are allowed, most parts of covered already, notwithstanding that they upload some material themselves. also, getting some info doesnt cost much. for alot of years, they offer workshop transcripts for 7 usd each, or workshop recordings in digital format for 15 usd each. given that alot of material is alreay freely out there, even to get deep into it, one would not have to purchase alot of it, let alone go into a workshop of them. most or all of your arguments are weak and easily destroyed. the sad thing is, as until now noone is seriously testing the abraham-hicks claims especially regarding body and health, if it actually has a basis, that potential is not used yet. though, of course, if its bullshit and fraud, esther hicks should rot in hell for profiting from the suffering of people. oh, and, doctors and scientists should be gassed for manipulating the majority of the humans, letting people suffer thanks to their failure, taking money without delivering proper service, for failing to heal and treat a very large number of diseases, and for wrongly calling themselves medical professionals.

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      Wayne Williams 

      3 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Sorry Greg, I don't buy it and you don't deceive me in the least. You are very much indeed an "Abe Apologist". You see, you cannot state How Much You Love These Teachings and expect any of us to take you seriously. It appears that Dave has become less vigilant and temporarily lost his keen awareness to see through the Bull Shit you share with us.

      You see, Abraham HIcks is proof that you must throw out the Baby With The Bath Water. You cannot have one and then discard the other. You either support the lies of Esther and Jerry Hicks or you don't. YOU SUPPORT THE LIES OF ESTHER AND JERRY HICKS, PERIOD, NO FINE PRINT OR ASTERISKS BELOW.

      The oldest trick in the book is to provide false empathy in the disguise that you understand the negative side of something such as the teachings of Abraham, and then insert casually how much you actually love the teachings but not the drama. Sorry. You cannot endorse the teachings and throw out the messenger. The messenger you very much endorse and support, the messenger being Esther Hicks and her tribe of deceptive supporters.

      No one casually arrives at this blog without deliberate and intense searching. It cannot be done. As far as A Course in Miracles in concerned, you are incapable of understanding such a document and it is no wonder you did not Vibe with it. And you better be thankful you cannot Vibe with it. It will destroy you.

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      James Clinton 

      3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      The teachings of Abraham are pure hokum just like Joel Osteen's prosperity 'gospel'. if either of them really worked, we would all be living in mansions and living the lives of multi-millionaires. Seriously folks.

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      David Stone 

      3 months ago from New York City

      I love E Squared as well as other of Pam Grout's books. I love her style, especially her self-deprecating humor and clarity. No back story with Pam. She's the real deal.

      BTW, you write well. You might want to try publishing yourself.

      Finally, I should add that Kyra was the skeptic who got a lot of us to think twice about what Esther and Jerry were saying. And deeper. Others added to her research, and I learned from a lot of them.

      Thanks and good luck.

      One quick recommendation that may stir your thoughts: "The Physics of God" by Amit Goswami. The reason I like this is because, along with relying on good science, it opens rather than closes doors, making it clear that we have a long way to go before we have definitive answers.

      Good luck!

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      Greg 

      3 months ago

      David,

      Let me start by acknowledging that I am not a paid Aber or anything crazy like that. I was introduced to the material at a very young age because my father used to play the tapes in the car. Personally, I hated them. It was a weird voice and I was always embarrassed if someone else was in the car to hear my dad listening to nonsense instead of just playing the radio like a normal person.

      Flash forward to my time in college, where I had some issues dealing with fraternity culture and being 3,000 miles away from home. I sought out self-help, via guidance from my father and mentor, and found a lot of peace and positive momentum from the books that I was reading, and eventually stumbled upon Abraham. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but once I heard the voice, everything started to click.

      The reason I provide that backstory is to emphasize how much I LOVE these teachings. Is everything perfect in my life? Of course not. But, I'm also aware that the way that I deal with my own thoughts and emotions isn't either. So it provides a perfect conundrum that you've been talking about, "Your stuff is coming, don't take score too soon! You just have to let it in!"

      I got to this page after reading a couple pages of A Course In Miracles, not really vibing with it, and then deciding to see what Internet reviews I could find. After seeing someone destroy it as a document and provide A TON of context to it, I thought it would make sense for me to do the same with Abraham. And boy oh boy was I shocked to read some of the things that you and Kyra (I believe that's how you spell her name) have shed light on. The multiple wives of Jerry! The Amway backstory! Using his disease to profit from (for context, I got back into Abraham around 2014, prior to his transition) etc etc. I've bought a couple books (and their meditation one as presents for others), gone to a seminar, and considered doing their monthly subscription service as well as getting on a cruise at some point in the future.

      To the people who "don't understand why David/Krya take time out to do this" are really missing the whole point. If this was just talking about how channeling is bogus and the LOA doesn't work, then I'd agree with that sentiment. But it's not ... it's shedding light on the business side of things, which, unfortunately for someone who loves the teachings like I do, has an impact on the validity of the messages. Thanks to you Dave, I'll be saving myself $15 a month in perpetuity (subscription fee), however much they charge for the cruise (probably $500+), another workshop or two (~$200+ each), or $15-30 on another book/tape of theirs. For that sir, I thank you wholeheartedly. Though I did get value out of the workshop that I went to, it's the same message regurgitated. I honestly didn't even have a question that I wanted to ask and, despite feeling super inclined to raise my hand, I knew I'd be taking the opportunity away from someone else who wanted to do it more. Turns out, the woman sitting next to me got picked and it made me really happy that she got to experience something she wanted a lot more than I did.

      I don't want to sound like I'm a sucker for all of these cult-like followings (I'm 23, for context) but I think where I now stand in regards to the Abraham teachings is similar to what my favorite Landmark Forum leader said (Not sure if you're familiar - it has some sketchy backgrounds as well. Used to be called S-Training). It's that there are people who become Landmark (or Abraham) junkies - constantly taking the next course or only wanting to spend time with the people who have done the training who miss the point of it altogether. I've heard Abraham (or I guess I should say, Esther? Damn ...) say "You don't need our books! You don't need to come to the Hot Seat! You just need to listen to your own Internal Guidance!"

      I can see how there are people who seem like Abe apologists (and I'm sorry if I do as well, again, I'm not paid at all I swear!) who appreciate the way the material is delivered because it's easy to understand and Esther (assuming Abraham is all a guise) does such a good job of staying in character and giving an answer (most of the time, I don't always resonate with what they're saying either) that clarifies something in a light that I hadn't considered before.

      I do believe that thoughts are things, that everything we perceive is just vibration (smell, sight, sound, even touch), and that 99% of all matter being empty space is enough proof that there's much more going on here than we know. I don't think that's something you'd disagree with either. And I hope that people who are going to be turned off by their business practices are still open to the core of the teachings from other, more ethical, sources. At the end of the day, integrity is everything to me, so they won't be getting another dollar out of me, thanks to you!

      And out of curiosity, have you ever checked out the book E Squared? Pam Grout (not someone who claims to be channeling) just gives 10 or so experiments to do at home centered around Infinite Intelligence. Think it'd be something you'd enjoy, unless there's a backstory on her I don't know either! In any event, thank you for what you've done, and I'm sorry this message was so long. Happy to see that you're still active in responding to comments.

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      David Stone 

      4 months ago from New York City

      Thank you, Teresa. I'm happy you got to that clarity faster than I did - all those years ago. Best wishes for your continuing journey.

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      Teresa 

      4 months ago

      I have studied Abraham hicks for the last year and like you I find some of the beliefs fundamentally flawed . Pain and suffering are chosen ?? I find it difficult to believe that children injured and violated through war came forth in this way. Same for suffering of animals etc . My sister has had the very difficult decision to put her autistic son in care, they can't tell me that either one of them or the family signed up for this pain and suffering . Thank you for writing what I was already believing .

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      David Stone 

      5 months ago from New York City

      Walsch is a good capitalist, making money from claiming special access to divine sources. Sound like anyone else you know?

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      Wayne Williams 

      5 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave: I was reading Walsch in 2005. When I discovered that passage where "God" talks about channeling A Course In Miracles, I was done and fed up. Walsch is a very wounded "healer and teacher". I gave up entirely on ACIM as well. I deducted that if "Jesus" is willing to channel his message through Walsch, then I want no part of Jesus or ACIM. I would think that Jesus would choose his channels much more wisely.

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      David Stone 

      5 months ago from New York City

      All I can add is, after suffering as much of Walsch's "conversations" as I could stand, it became crystal clear that all he was doing was repackaging what scholars had already been discussing for years. Yet Walsch's "God" pumped it all out like revelations. Nothing new whatsoever.

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      Wayne Williams 

      5 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dear Cahill:

      How ironic you would bring Neale Donald Walsch into your discussion. Neale Donald Walsch is the ultimate in Liar hood and shows us once again you require no integrity from those you worship such as Esther. Walsch claims he “hears the voice of God” and has written a series of books “Conversations With God”. Yet in one of the books, and the title escapes me right now, Walsch’s “God” states the following: “When I channeled A Course In Miracles through Helen Schucman, ect, ect” This makes Neale Walsch a liar because A Course In Miracles allegedly came from “Jesus Christ”, not God. There is a huge difference. I had already begun to suspect years ago that Walsch’s God was in fact the same voice Helen Schucman heard. I once spoke to Neale Walsch on the telephone and I told him that I hated him and that he was a hypocrite and liar and that he did not hear the voice of God as he proclaims. He became defensive and began attacking me in return. Neale Donald Walsch is a teacher of far less integrity than even Esther Hicks.

      There is no such thing as a grey area in truth. The truth either heals and promotes peace and well being or it does not. The real truth cannot be full of conflict, attack, and judgment. All you are interested in doing is justifying false teachers such as Walsch and Esther Hicks in the hopes that you will pull some of us into your Vortex of lies and deception. You will sadly fail. Bringing up Neale Donald Walsch has painted you into a corner that you cannot back out of.

      There are no intricacies to untangle regarding Esther or Neale. They are both hypocrites and liars who have made themselves rich and famous at the cost of ruining people’s lives that looked to them for answers. They have no real answers to give and neither do you.

      There is no underlying truth in Esther Hicks or Neale Donald Walsch, just two individuals who excel at spiritual marketing for the purpose of financial gain. Why would you come to this Blog expecting to find friends or others of like mind comparable to yourself? You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time, and you sure as sh—can’t fool me.

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      Eric Cahill 

      5 months ago

      Dear Wayne. Thank you for your reply. You seem like you would make a good new-atheist. They often become overly emotional on an issue and resort to insults and fundamentalist thinking whenever gray area is suggested.

      In my opinion, life is loaded with gray area and paradox. Is Esther a liar? Were all Bible writers liars? Is Neale Donald Walsch a liar? Are you and I liars? I'm not sure. Certainly if one leaves the door open to meta-physics then there could be very vast gray area. Like any human, the white always gets tainted with at least a drop of black. But that doesn't negate the underlying truth and inherent good that may be at play.

      I was hoping one of you guys would address my questions. But instead you went to ad-hom and such to avoid the deeper discussion. I thought maybe you all would be interested to go deeper. To be clear, I don't care at all if you believe anything good or bad about Esther, I was primary looking to untangle with intricacies with others who have thought deeply about it.

      Anyway, I will leave this thread disappointed to look elsewhere and see if there is anyone on this planet who is able to look at the wider topic objectively without being a religious fundamentalist about one far side of the issue.

      Shalom.

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      Wayne Williams 

      5 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      To the attention of Eric Cahill:

      You are indeed very much an Abraham HIcks Apologist, or else you would not have visited Dave Stone's article. There is no middle ground or compromise when it comes to whether or not you adhere to the teachings of Abraham one hundred percent, seventy percent, fifty percent. It does not matter. If you support or believe in the value of Abraham and Esther in any form, then you endorse lies, deception, corrupt behavior, greed at the expense of other's well being, and you operate at the same level of false integrity that Esther Hick’s does.

      Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, meaning even an Esther Hicks can stumble across a nugget of spiritual truth that seems authentic when in fact it is just a watered down marketable version she can use to sell workshops and increase her riches. If much of what Abraham teachers you resonate with, then you indeed resonate with lies, deceptive behavior, cover up of how Jerry Hicks really died from cancer and could not heal himself, and the teachings of death that everyone who dies even if via suicide are Happy, Happy, Happy?

      If that is the train you want to ride on and brag about, then all I can say is “Welcome aboard” and have a “Happy Happy journey.” We will keep the light of truth on for you in case you wake up from your dream. Remember, riding on the train can be a happy and smooth experience as you glide along on the rails thinking you are on the Truth Train. Sooner than later your Engineer Esther Hicks will fall asleep and you will find yourself derailed in a swamp infested with lies and then your teachings won’t save you.

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      Eric Cahill 

      5 months ago

      Thanks for the response David. Although I am certainly no Abe/Esther apologist, I'm not quite persuaded by your response (respectfully). There are many teachers who are more advanced than me in certain areas, and it often takes work to make sense of what they are saying. I think what feels true is stuff that within our familiarity zone and is easily accepted by our ego (psychologically speaking). I was once a theologian and went to grad school for theology. There was a time when much of the new academic criticism didn't feel true and it didn't flow, but now it all makes perfect sense after I had time to adjust and make sense of it. Back to string theory, years ago when I first heard that it didn't feel natural, but now it makes much more sense. Same with evolution, relativity, and even when I first read the writings of Jesus that said to turn the other cheek and forgive your enemy, that felt ridiculous, but then it felt profoundly true. Maybe you can get the idea of what I'm saying. And all that said, much of what Abraham says (98%) does feel deeply and profoundly true to me, in a way I've never heard it articulated before.

      Eric

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      David Stone 

      6 months ago from New York City

      If Estherham is genuine, you wouldn't have to work to make sense of what she sells. It would flow naturally, insight to insight. It would feel true. It doesn't, although there once were times when she nailed it, albeit long ago.

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      Eric Cahill 

      6 months ago

      Hi David, Wayne, James, et all.

      Thanks David for writing this article, and thanks for the enriching conversation. It's always great to find people who are willing to deeply discuss formerly held ideas with honesty and humility.

      I came across your article when I was researching the compatibility of the message of Jesus and the message of Abraham - particularly as it relates to finances.

      I would put myself in the camp that I can glean truth from a lot of places, but I don't need to believe in any one form of authoritative truth. So, much of what Abraham says does resonate with me, but I am not attached to the whole story of the channeling etc. In other words, I really resonate and have learned to apply a spiritually based view of the LOA, but I don't need Abraham to be "real" to continue to believe that (and I think you all agree with that).

      But that said about Abe's teachings, when the topic of money comes up wth Abe, and particularly Esther, it doesn't resonate. Maybe the teaching of Jesus and Buddha were baked too early for me to loosen up in that way, but I cannot resonate with all of the spending on lavish material possessions she condones and professes to enjoy. I was always very influenced by that scene in Schindler's List when Liam Neeson realizes he could have sold his ring to save one more person. Yes, there must be a balance in life I understand, but buying big mansions and all kinds of luxuries just don't resonate. And especially all the fossil fuel power and resources it takes to fuel such a lifestyle.

      Now with all of that said, a couple thoughts which would be interesting to kick around if you were interested:

      1) Regarding finances, Esther has pointed out all the workers and artisans that her lavish spending supports, and I can't argue with that. Is it possible though that it's just different strokes for different folks? And for her, she gets her joy and inspiration from buying tons of stuff and supporting all the businesses who produce it? Whereas my natural joy is more in helping those who don't seem to have the talent or savvy to earn it? Are both perfectly valid? Does it not invalidate her if some of her (Esther's) lifestyle choices don't harmonize with mine?

      2) Regarding String Theory, which Abe didn't seem to know about. Is it possible that since Abe isn't a psychic that she just doesn't know all of our terms and ideas (ie, the title of "String Theory"), but does know them conceptually? (honest question, not trolling your earlier comments on it)

      3) Regarding evolution, after reading comments here I went back and looked at the recordings, and it seems like she was offering a hybrid answer, as in "yes, evolution is true" but "no, we didn't come from apes" which in other words means was making the distinction that humans were a distinct intention from Source and therefore we were distinctly created and not just some random genetic mutation from apes, but a very distinct moment of conscious creation? (using the apes to bring it forth)? I understand that may sound like grasping at semantic straws, but I can see an ontological distinction there.

      4) Regarding other disappointing stuff, like why she just couldn't tell us the cure for Leukemia to have helped heal Jerry. Is it possible that Abraham just can't convey a fact to a human until it has been discovered on our own within our consciousness? (sort of the same reason some higher power, if one exists, doesn't just come and alleviate all of our suffering, because we are meant to follow some kind of path of discovery here on earth that is different than it would be in a heavenly state)?

      Just a few ponderings from a fellow seeker and explorer. Thanks in advance for any insights.

      Eric

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      David Stone 

      6 months ago from New York City

      Voila!

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      Wayne Williams 

      6 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave, in case you haven't noticed in the last 7 years, I can be a real Smart Ass. (LOL) Sometimes the SA inside of me just has to shine every once in a while. I am sure Jeenee Weenie in a bottle is not from the U.S. and English is certainly not her native language. But these Abers can speak Sh-- and gibberish in any language when it comes to service of their Master. What they don't seem to realize is that your article does not just jump out of oblivion onto their computer screen. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THE TOPIC in order to come across your article.

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      David Stone 

      6 months ago from New York City

      Funny. Not enough of that around. I hope the reader has a sense of humor, but as you know, most Abers do not, not about that topic.

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      Wayne Williams 

      6 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dear Jeannie In A Bottle:

      Why don't you rub on your magic bottle and make the following three wishes:

      1.) I want to be able to write in plain basic English in complete sentences without words being omitted.

      2.) I want to be able to stick to the real topic on hand which is Esther and Abraham deceive people for the sake of personal gain and riches at any cost to people's well being.

      3.) I want to listen to "abraham HIck" and learn to spell it out correctly but more importantly Dear Jeannie, I want to listen with an open mind that alerts me to the real truth and not this Bull Sh-- I am trying to spout regarding this article.

      Thanks Dave for letting me reply to Jeenee and her comments about this abrascam hick article.

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      Jeanne Inabottle 

      6 months ago

      i listen to abraham Hick with open mind. i dont feel brain washed i choose what to believe what not to believe. what works for me and what does not. money did not come to her sitting on her she thought of an idea and work on it. that is the basic.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Thank you so much for being open to read Teal Swan's article. Here story is one of growing up "Morman" in Utah and being raped by a male friend of the family over a period of ten years. Similar to the Elizabeth Smart story except she was allowed to go home to be with her parents after each assault. The sexual assaults began around age 10 and lasted till she was 18. I had already written my article on the Parkland shooting before Teal's article came out, and there is nothing in her article that I did not already suspect. It confirms what I already new.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      She certainly makes more sense and is not exploitive like Esther. Clearly written and thoughtfully written.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave and James:

      I appreciate you both and your comments. From 1982 to 2015 I have seen over 250 psychotherapists not to mention the countless spiritual healers and counselors I have sought out. Their profiles all look enticing and hopeful until you actually sit down in front of them or have a Skype or phone session with them and realize “their Bottom line” does not match up with who they say they are. Seeking counseling or psychotherapy is dangerous business, because when you are scared and feel vulnerable, you soak up the negative beliefs and impressions the therapist has about you after they react to your problems. In my case they would become angry and judgmental or scared in a lot of cases. Love and fear cannot exist in the same place and I have been unable to find love or connect to another person due to fear, anger, and resentment. Psychotherapy is useless to people who have “real problems” in the same way as Abraham Hicks, ACIM, The Seth Books, Tony Robbins, Hay House teachings, Unity Church, Ramtha teachings, Ken Keys teachings, Joe Dispenza, and I could go on forever. Every one of these school shooters had seen or was seeing a psychiatrist or therapist at the time they carried out their rampage. I will give A Course In Miracles credit for one thing. It states: “The professional therapists of this world are useless to salvation. They make demands and therefore are defensive and cannot give to their patients.”

      Today and the past several weeks, I have moved beyond fear for the most part and dwell in anger “which is a good thing” for me because I feel more powerful and like I am getting my power back. I finally reached the point to where I say what I mean and mean what I say to others and if they get offended or don’t like it, well then It is just too bad. I certainly have no goal to offend either one of you Dave or James though. When you try to live a life of being authentic and true to your values, expect to find yourself in very sparse company. It is a lonely place to be, but I would not trade it to be around people with no depth or integrity. I share these personal details of my life because I know they are going to make visitors to this Hub uncomfortable when they come here to defend Abraham and master. I offer a non shining example of one’s life and the results obtained after my experience and exposure to Abraham and other false teachers and expose the dark limitations new age teachings reflect in their reality.

      Here is a link to an article by a young 32 year old woman named Teal Swan who is a very controversial spiritual teacher who comments about the Parkland School Shooting in my home state of Florida. I have been reading her articles for four years. She tells it like it is. You will never find anyone like her at Hay House to speak on such negative topics.

      https://tealswan.com/resources/articles/school-sho...

      Anyway, I appreciate both of you and I thank Dave for allowing me to continue to post here on his Hub.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      There's no harm in feeling anger. The harm comes when you try to stuff it back, and it gets so hard, it explodes. Recognizing it, understanding it, matters.

      As for the complexity, I think that's developed outside the basic human condition. There's a simple purity that gets lost with experience. All these false healers make it worse by making it even more complex.

      That's my take on it, anyway.

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Wayne, you are telling my story. Similar experiences. I've needed to learn to express my anger as well. As a son of an alcoholic and a former addict myself, I understand your plight so well. I am proud of you for where you have come as of your most recent posting here. It's not easy.

      Dave,

      May I should use the word complex. The human mind and heart both as organs (brain/heart) are just too complex for the simplistic nonsense of Esther or Course of Miracles or even Wayne Dyer and most particularly - Christianity (evangelical/born again).

      I'm a critical thinker. I have been most of my life and particularly as I've pursued and acquired advanced academic degrees. I tend to not fall prey to spiritual nonsense like Abraham/Esther, ACIM, etc. I give SOME (emphasis not screaming) credence to Depak Chopra and some to Wayne Dyer. I do apply the 'take what I like and leave the rest' rule to all of the self professed spiritual gurus.

      Dave wrote in his response to me that I have applied always. I love it. It is so true.

      "You don't need all these gurus. They just cloud the simple truth we all know inside."

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      My bottom line is this: ""unexpressed rage" I have been an angry person for a very long time. If I would have not been afraid to express my anger towards those who hurt me in my twenties I would be a different person today. What you have been witnessing in me since I met you in the fall of 2011 is a powder keg of rage and resentment. In my twenties I lived in constant fear, afraid of everyone'e criticism. Anytime someone criticized me I retreated into suicidal fear and paralysis. I am where I am today at age 60 for a variety or reasons. I cannot keep a job for long and struggle year after year just to keep a roof over my head. Why? I don't like myself and never have.I have lived my entire adult life alone, no female partner, no male friends, just all on my own trying to figure myself out of one problem after another. This current scenario is just the latest. I cannot live effectively without love and caring from at least one person. And that I do not have, and that has turned me into a volatile cesspool of rage that you have seen played out towards those unfortunate visitors to your blogs. I am smart and am highly intelligent, but I don't feel love or have love expressed to me by others, and really never have. I live in a cocoon invisible to everyone. Without love and connection to others, life is meaningless and pointless. I am very weary and tired. I never settled or wanted to settle for second best. It settled for me. I wanted to have the life that I saw others living that was prosperous and filled with loving relationships. I could not create it because of the self hate and resentment. That is why I hate Abraham and ACIM. You have to be already happy and doing well for these teachings to work. Same goes for the teachings of Tony Robbins. All useless because of self hate and the belief I don't deserve love or caring from others. I hate myself because I see myself as an utter failure at every thing I ever wanted to be. That is my Bottom Line.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      I get up before 4:00 a.m. to get my online newspaper out, but I don't think I could handle that FedEx thing either. I'd be a wreck.

      If you don't mind, I'll share something I learned from Emerson when I was still a teenager. From his poem, "Give All To Love" -- Heartily know, when half-gods go, the gods arrive.

      His point was that settling for second best just blocks the best. Don't stand for it. Give the gods, i.e. fate, a chance by not settling.

      Yes, the "Sir" thing is a little weird, but I thought it was just playful on his part. You know, like in basketball, No harm, no foul.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      I'm not sure it's all that complicated, but the barrage of "influencers" crowds out the simplicity of what Emerson preached centuries ago: Know yourself and trust yourself. You don't need all these gurus. They just cloud the simple truth we all know inside.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Exactly Sir Dave. (LOL) I will try not to call you this anymore. The last 30 days of fear and strife I have been under "has restored my fire" and given me reason to stay alive. I still have a lot of challenges before me. I took a part time job at a grocery store 2 weeks ago. The first day was one of the most fearful I have ever known. I felt so exposed and ashamed of being there. It is no dream job but it showed my landlord I had not given up. I am due to start another job as well on April 16, a 40 hour work from home job as a CSR for Whirlpool. NO driving. I plan to work both jobs until I find one good source of income or job. I have written over 300 songs and I want to see if I can sell some of them in some way. And then I want to expand on my writing. Thirty days ago was bleak and hopeless and there were terrifying nights. I feel a whole lot better and safer. I owe my Landlord $2800 if you can believe that. I am not out of the woods yet but things are a whole lot more hopeful. Thank you for your support. Oh and then I was offered an opportunity 3 days ago with a Fedex contractor who needed someone in my rural area to drive a home route where I would keep the Fedex vehicle at home. The problem: I would have to get up each morning at 3 AM, drive 100 miles to Athens, GA to pick up my load, make all my deliveries, and hopefully be home before 8 PM. I just don't think I could manage that. We are talking about 250 -300 miles driving per day plus all the stops.

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Most of these spiritual trends are nonsense. Let me add Christianity to that. As I've written on here before, the human condition is too complicated for the easy, simplistic nonsense that Abraham/Esther spouts and the same goes for ACIM. Yes. Wayne is correct. All is well is an Esther/Abrahamism that she spouts when she doesn't want to deal with a person's real life pain or as I like to refer to it . . . .the human condition.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      I love the debate, and you should consider this a kind of rehearsal, sorting out your direction. I see several focused articles you might create and link them all together.

      I hope you both continue honing your skills. You have something important to say.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Sir Oxy: I assure you I know more about A Course In Miracles than you would comprehend in a dozen lifetimes. I read the 1000 page text at least 100 times within a 6 year period and completed the 365 lessons two separate years. I personally knew Dr. Ken Wapnick and met him three times in person, corresponded by mail with him many times, and had multiple phone conversations with him. Ken was a PHd graduate of Columbia University in NYC and was considered the world's leading expert on ACIM. Not my opinion by the way. There is no such thing as a leading expert regarding ACIM. Wapnick filed a lawsuit against other ACIM groups because they refused to honor the copyright on the basis that ACIM came from Jesus and therefore cannot be subject to a copy right. After years of debate in a court room, Ken lost his case "just as he should have" Ken Wapnick was and continues to be ACIM's biggest hypocrite even after his passing in December 2013. Ken was the most nervous and anxiety ridden person I have ever encountered in my lifetime.

      All ACIM students such as yourself are hypocrites pretending to be happy when you are not. Yet ACIM teaches it is blasphemy to be depressed or unhappy. I know of 3 suicides from people I knew who followed ACIM. I was almost one of them. I once met a 53 year old man I met in 1986 who I then referred to a Course In Miracles group. He ended up even receiving counseling from the same ACIM teacher that I had gone to. Two months later he put in a gun in his mouth and blew his brains out.

      I have suspected all along that you are here to defend Esther and Abraham. And when I see you sign off today by saying:All is well and remains well" then I knew for certain that you were here to defend Esther. "All is Well" is a trademark statement that Abraham has uttered over the years in the face of any death or tragedy. It is Abraham's pet insult he uses on everyone who has suffered or is suffering a loss or tragedy.

      What ACIM really is is this: A community of followers and students that follow a Course that teaches love, forgiveness, and overlooking your brother's errors. Yet these followers, students, and teachers attack each other with viciousness at every opportunity they get. ACIM cannot be learned as proven by you and your misery. No Oxy, you just use tricky words and phrases in an attempt to confound and confuse others who know the truth. You won't confound or confuse me.

      Sir David: Forgive me for using this Hub to discuss ACIM when that is not it's intended purpose. When I get more stable, I intend to write several Hub articles about my negative experiences with Ken Wapnick and ACIM. Please stay tuned.

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      OxyMoronicanite10 

      7 months ago

      Sir Wayne: According to you, it looks like ACIM's main tenant of thought will soon receive an eviction notice from the Management because "....Nothing Real Exists." I know you're trying to say that which is Real cannot be threatened and that which is unreal cannot exists, but because you are so overwhelmed by these trivial words that you're unable to even copy one of ACIM's main tenets correctly. Besides, it's much safer to make "enemies" sitting in front of a screen knowing the "enemies" can do nothing except raising your blood pressure and cutting off blood circulation to your brain which cause you to go off the reservation temporarily. Fear not, you are MORE than you think, and if you don't think you are, then you're right, you are not. Either way, it's a win win (W.W.) offer you can't refuse.

      Sir David: Thank you for your time and space. All is well and remains well for all eternity. Thank you again.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      David and OxyMoronicanite 10: Although I believe that OxyMoronicate probably means well, I have to say that he sounds like A Course In Miracles follower/student. As much as I dislike the presence of Esther and Abraham in this world selling themselves as spiritual guru's, I dislike even more those associated with A Course In Miracles and the depressing message they spread to the world.

      ACIM teaches the physical universe is an illusion and that nothing that occurs on Earth in the affairs of man "really matters". Poverty, sickness, depression, sadness, death, war, plane crashes, terrorist attacks, are all illusions and don't deserve one moment of our attention. So therefore, it we have now attracted a Course In Miracles student on this Hub, I have a message for him or her. ACIM's main tenant of thought is: "Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, Therefore Nothing Real Exists". That is what I hear OxyMoranicanite saying.

      I assure you and others that as long as you live in this Earthly world, then things and circumstances matter. And if you are such a strong proponent of the "everything is simply an illusion, then just commit suicide and be done with this plane. A Course In Miracles ruined my life. I still have my story to tell at some point to Dave about my one night in Binghampton back in 1988 while attending a Course In Miracles workshop on Roscoe, NY led by Dr. Ken Wapnick.

      No "Oxy", things do matter and I of all people know. I have known homelessness, repossession of my car, been incarcerated in mental hospitals, spent three nights in jail in 1994 on a DUI charge in Orlando, felt and mourned the loss of everyone I ever held dear,and that is just the beginning of the list. Oh and I forgot, I have spent nearly 61 years on this illusionary plane without a partner of anyone to call friend. I suppose the effects of that reality "is not real either." Anyway, enough said for now.

      It may be true our souls shine pure and bright in Heaven and the non physical reality. But it is not so here. Here we do have enemies and if we don't take the problems we have as serious, then you can find yourself where I almost ended up a few days ago: being homeless, losing my car, and being without money. Fortunately and do to very hard work and determination in the last 3 weeks, the threat of these things coming to pass have mostly vaporized and I am starting to see my way out of the darkness. So "Oxy" if you are preaching A Course In Miracles here, you will soon find me your "Enemy".

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      Interesting, once again, and well stated. I'm curious to see if any of the Abe followers will respond.

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      OxyMoronicanite10 

      7 months ago

      Sir David: Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. To clarify further, the capacity to analyze, reflect, question, understand, and (ultimately) know is not given to all. In other words, you and some of us are the haves (that's why we're able to stay away from the tar pits of the A-Hs and religions in this meaningless world) and others are the have-nots. Until the have-nots are given the capacity to receive and understand, what we say and write will be meaningless and of no value to them. They will remain in the tar pits and their bones will continue piling up as long as time remains. We don't expect pigs to be able to fly until they are given wings and capacity to fly. In the meantime, all I can do is, again, thank my lucky star that I am sailing through this vast sea of shadows with as little fear as possible. More importantly, I thank my lucky star that I can find comfort in the knowledge that, in truth, that which is real HAS and that which is not real has NOT. As a result, there is no angst or need to rescue and save the have-nots because they cannot be real. Furthermore, what is real must be lasting and has meaning, but what can be seen by humans' eyes don't last, and since they don't last, what meanings and values can they have? They're as good as not-real. Finally, the real and not-real (an oxymoron and meaningless term/concept) cannot co-exist. Ditto with the have and have-not. Only one can and must exist. The real/ the have. Even in this illusory form of matters, we can know that David and not-David cannot co-exist before time or after time and in eternity.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      Interesting, if a little hard to follow. The question of what's real is intriguing. I think we're only beginning to understand what reality's all about. It's a joy ride that sometimes seems illusory. It isn't, though. We just don't, as a practice, see a whole lot of what is.

      Thanks for the inspiring observations.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      What reasonable motivation would you have to lie? It's basically appealing to the most juvenile impulses. In reality, I doubt anyone much practices this stuff. It's fantasy and belonging, much in common with most religions.

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      OxyMoronicanite10 

      7 months ago

      Sir David and Sir Wayne: Thank you for your writings on Hubpages. All I can say/write is that I thank my lucky star and I am thankful that I was born into this absurdity at least endowed with the capacity to understand what you wrote and now given the means and resources including the luxury of time to write to you, but not everyone is endowed with the same capacity or means or resources. In other words, all humans (or matters) are not created equal contrary to what TJ wrote in the U.S. Declaration of Independence. The question (which has no answer) is why you and I (or Jesus of Nazareth or Esther and Jerry) not born as one of the forms of conjoined twins or some forms of severe handicapped or one of so-called untouchables? Even Stephen Hawking was given a brilliant mind which allowed him to do what he did. He wasn't born a retarded/down-syndrome baby.

      Sic transit gloria mundi (the emphasis is on transit). In the final analysis, nothing new under the sun. Thousand and thousand years from now if humans still exist, there will be other A-Hs, and there will be other Davids and Waynes (and other OxyMoronicanite10s). That's why I find comfort in knowing that the kindest notion that I can have (which is not given to all) is that none of this absurdity is real because they don't last. In the meanwhile, it's better to be kind and happy than to be right.

      p.s. Sir Wayne: Know that you have what you need for your journey and I and many others continue to cheer you on to victory. W. W. (win win)

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Abraham even say she it’s ok to lie. I don’t agree

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      And during that affair, Jerry was engaged to someone else. If honesty doesn't matter, then they may have something, but If you think trusting your partner matters, they are the last people you want to listen to.

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      In her nonsensical gibberish way, Esther basically tells people to sweep issues under the carpet and not deal with them. She teaches people to never apologize. That it’s more important that you feel good and do what’re you have to do feel good regardless of the ramifications on other people’s feelings or that others will feel bad.

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      and considering that Esther had an affair with Jerry while she was married as well, that doesn’t bode well in my book for doling out relationship advice. It would be like Donald Trump giving

      relationship advice LOL!

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      Keeps them coming back. Jerry, generator of the Abe stuff, was married at least six times. So, his relationship advice might be a little off.

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      James Clinton 

      7 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Isn't it interesting that Abraham was given a last name while other 'channels' like Seth, Theo, Kryon, Bashar do not have surnames?

      Abraham (Esther) gives REALLY REALLY BAD relationship advice and teaches some REALLY REALLY BAD guidance on relationships.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave: I guess I am a little disappointed in your reply or lack of. I don't need to turn you against me as well. I reached out to you as an ally and friend. I believed that you of all people would precisely know why "I don't just ignore him or why I don't just kick'em out. Sorry to beat a dead horse. You have written thousands upon thousands of words against the teachings of Abraham in the form of blogs, hubs, lenses, and now books. Am I not entitled to say a few words or more than a few words and hope for empathy and compassion when I speak out against someone like Mike Dooley?

      I simply cannot easily dismiss someone like Dooley. His life is working,mine certainly ain't and has not in a very long time. And when I have overcome difficulties such as the one's I am currently experiencing, they just simply resurface in the future in a different form with the same old depressing lesson still not learned. If you are irritated with me, then I will go away and leave you in peace.

      I have blamed people like Dooley and Esther and point to how they have hurt me, yet I am the one who ends looking like a fool. I cannot say everything that Dooley says is wrong. All I am trying to say is I get offended when I come across teachings that tell me I have to accept 100% responsibility for everything that happens to me, or that no one has hurt me or can hurt me, and that everything that comes to me I have invited. I am admitting my faults. I don't have the inner strength or integrity to take it what Dooley puts in my face. His life is working as I said, mine is not.

      I don't mean to be a burden. I was just expecting more from you than I guess you were willing to give. I have pissed a lot of people off in my life. It is not a simple matter for me to come across a book that promises hope and relief and then toss it in the fire when it say's things I don't want to face or hear. It is a real dilemma that keeps me trapped in hell. I read a blog where you were somewhat critical of Wayne Dyer. Like I said, I reached out to you because I thought you of all people would understand and be patient with me.

      I did not come here to offend you.

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      David Stone 

      7 months ago from New York City

      If the guy bugs you so much, why don't you just ignore him? When you look at his books, attend a conference, etc., you're looking for trouble. You do it because you think he (or Esther) might really have the answer and your missing it, but they don't. You have the answer. You know very well what's worked for you. Do it again, and stop doing things that frustrate you. Get out of that cycle. Kick 'em out of your life and leave them out.

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      Wayne Williams 

      7 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave I wanted to share a few thoughts. Maybe I should email you directly. I will let you decide. The recent situation of having to muster all forces in order to survive in the context of keeping a place to live, a car, food, finding money and resources, and maintaining my sanity has forced me to look at and consider books, teachers, and authors I would normally balk at in contempt.

      One such author is "Mike Dooley" a former T-Shirt salesman, former CPA of Price Waterhouse, now turned New York’s Time bestselling author, selling millions of books and rolling in the dough. I have one of his latest books: "Life On Earth". He also appeared in the movie "The Secret". He is a bald headed Floridian from Orlando you see everywhere LOA is discussed. I have to be honest. I hate the guy.

      I have tried to read this book many times in the past and end up getting angry in a fit of rage and never get past a page or two. Now in my current painful dilemma I have decided to look at it again and once again I find myself burned and angered to the core. Have you heard of this guy? I cannot read his book without feeling attacked and personally criticized and come away feeling very hopeless and depressed. I find just enough good things to get me hooked before I come across something he writes that triggers me into anger and hopelessness.

      What I am upset about is that it is similar to the teachings I came across in Unity Church, A Course In Miracles, and Abraham HIcks. Dooley quotes Abraham Lincoln: "People are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." This incites me into rage. Dooley's response towards depression, sadness, trauma, child hood abuse, is there is no excuse to be unhappy now and that happiness is simply a matter of choosing to be happy. Of course Abraham Lincoln went down in history as one of the saddest and depressed people you could come across. Dooley shows no compassion or sympathy toward those like me dealing with suicidal feelings, anger, loneliness, and resentment, and simply states it is just a matter of changing one's perspective from sadness to happiness. And of course he has millions of dollars plus millions of followers that support him around the world. When I read his books or watch his YT videos, I feel like crap and like a failure, the same way I used to feel when listening to A.Hicks. Dooley states there is just no excuse for being unhappy no matter what your situation and that you have to be happy now regardless of the circumstances to reach your desired outcome. And of course, the trademark of LOA teachers he includes: everything that happens to you, every feeling, you have invited it to come forth willingly.

      As a former student of Unity Church, A Course In Miracles, The Seth Books, Abraham Hicks, Lazaris, Ramtha,and the list continues, I remain an utter failure in life and love only to arrive at nearly 61 years on the Earth in a state of self contempt and hate. That is telling it like it is. All these negative scenarios I keep recreating such as the one I have been faced with are the result of my negative thinking that I have failed to correct and find a healing for over the years. Every time I encounter a teacher like Dooley, I am too defensive to take anything in and so I come away feeling like a victim, give my power away to him, and feel like a fool.

      I have thought about writing a Hub about my feelings towards Mike Dooley, but feel I have no worth and what good would it do.He is probably in Australia right now in front of hundreds of people on stage in a sold out workshop.

      Last summer I attended a live video teleconference he hosted online where people could email in their questions and it was not a pretty picture. I pretty much told him I hated and resented him. To witness other people praising him is painful to say the least. He likes to remind people that the "Secret" is misleading because it denies taking action, while Dooley on the other hand emphasizes that action is essential and he almost criticizes the reader for thinking that all they have to do is sit at home and wait for the checks to roll in. Yet he starred in a movie "The Secret" which led people to believe the very thing that he now stands against.

      Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      Good news. I will try to check Smart Recovery out. I've always counted on the concept of Reality Therapy, a book I read first way back in the 70s but still relevant. Basically, the idea is like the one you're involved with. Stay in touch.

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Thanks again Dave. I had a much better day today (Sat). I went to a nearby support group called: "Smart Recovery". It is totally unlike AA and is not based on Surrender and there are no religious overtones. It is based on the works of Albert Ellis, a New York Psychologist who was the Father of Rational Emotive Therapy know as RET. I used to read a lot of Albert Ellis in the early eighties. His institute was based in NYC I believe. It was actually my second meeting. They were very supportive of my situation and are even going to give me a work desk I would need for the in home job with Whirlpool. They also gave me resources I can reach out to help with my rent, food, and electric. I have felt fear free most of the day. What a relief. You can find out more about Smart Recovery on You Tube. It is a national and possibly international organization. It helps people with addictions and mental health problems. Cannot wait to read your book when it comes out. Take care.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      That it is.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      That one's new, but not an A-H book. The A-H book is just being put together now. It'll take a month or so.

      This one's more of a personal philosophy thing.

      But thanks.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      Don't try to hard. Just remember you done it before. You're the same guy. Just let your skills take over.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      the human condition is too complicated for jerry’/esther’s/abraham’s simplistic non-sense

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Yes. I just got the notification from Amazon. I'll download it and read it.

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave, thank you for your reassurance. I must confess some intense fear and anxiety has returned, not as intense as 2 days ago, but intense enough. I am doing everything I know to stay positive and take constructive actions. Until I get my income situation resolved so I can keep my car and place to live, it is going to be rough going for a while. Another thing I do is play guitar and write songs and post them on Facebook and You tube. I will share some of them with you some time. Not having a place to live would derail my music for sure. I will keep it short tonight. Please keep me in your thoughts as I will keep you in mine. I look forward to the next book you mention.

      Note for James C. Yes, I received your email to my gmail address I have listed on my authors's page. Thank you. I replied back to you.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      The Ari article will be chapter two in my next book. Stay tuned.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      You'll push through, Wayne, just as you always have. As the old Persian saying goes, "This too shall pass." It was solicited by the king who wanted a motto that would serve in times both good and bad. It always reminds me to keep my balance, no matter what's going on.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      David,

      Thank you for writing about Ari. I had considered it. Glad you did. Wayne. David is right. You are better than they are in all respects. Write about your experiences. That will help you and others as well. BTW. I sent you an email. I used the email address that you put in your hubpages posting

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      To: Dave and James:

      Thank you for all the concern you have shown me thus far during this difficult period. I finally!!! have some good news to report that has brought me much needed relief. I am not out of the woods yet but the terrible fear and self destructive feelings have greatly subsided since yesterday. This morning I received a job offer over the phone from a company that I applied at over 2 months ago. I would be working from home for the Whirlpool Corporation as an in home Customer Service Rep. The company supplies the computer and equipment I would need at no cost. I have to furnish a desk, chair, and internet service. They even reimburse me for the internet usage. Problem is, I don't start until April 16, So I have to hold on and hope I don't run out of money. And I have to hope my Landlord will continue to be tolerant. But still, I feel so much relief.

      The last 3 or days has been a living hell. Thank you both for your concern I also hope to work part time in the evenings somewhere as well to help pay expenses. The Whirlpool job does not start out paying a whole lot, but it is a start and can lead to being hired from a Temp to Permanent. I feel so much relief. I don't know how to thank you.

      I posted a couple of times back that I thought this was not the appropriate place to share these personal details of my problems. Now I am not so sure. Maybe it is the perfect place, because now people who find this Hub can read first hand the limitations and destructiveness of the Abraham Hicks teachings. I can be the guinea pig and teach people how dangerous these teachings are and how useless they are to those who feel suicidal and extreme despair.

      And Dave is right, it has been long past time to shut off Esther's spigot. I have been a fool for too long. I googled and found links to the suicide of Karen Shelton written by Dave on Seekyt and Health Mad, and also Cosmic Connie. I have not read them yet Dave, but will very soon. Thank you so much for telling me about Karen. I don't even have to imagine what she had to go through, I know first hand what she went through. It must have been horrible. It is horrible to feel suicidal feelings and feel you are alone and trapped with these feelings, (i.e. Robin Williams)

      I had joined the Abe forum back in 2006 and saw the politics very quick and noticed my comments were not showing up any when I spoke about my negative experience in the Hot Seat in Tampa. I dropped out after less than a month and never visited the forum again after that.

      Thank you so much you two guys for your concern. It means so much to me. I will be in touch. And yes Dave, I still want to resume my writing soon and will I promise.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      Good time to shut off the Esther spigot. She's no help here. Years ago, I wrote an article about Karen Shelton (Ari on the Abe Forum) who, after a couple of years of constantly trying to get help from listening the Abraham-Hicks tapes, killed herself. She was a brave cancer survivor, a struggling artist and deeply depressed. When she died, the Forum, controlled by Jerry and Esther, would not even let anyone announce her death or express any mourning. They changed her tag on the Forum from Ari to "Guest," eliminating the icon she used from her own artwork. These people can't even face the fact of their own failures.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      You might write about your current experience and your efforts to work through it, you know, get your mind thinking outside the rut. Try to forget about Esther and the Bible thumpers. They have nothing to do with your situation, and you're actually far ahead of them because you're clear on your challenges while they remain in denial.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Wayne,

      Please listen to David. As a person who has been there myself. It is better to try to find help. Yes. A suicide hotline will help. It helped me. Yes. Esther's line on suicide is so full of crap.

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave: The words of yours that I find most hope and comfort in are: "Much more creative paths are open to folks as smart and insightful as I am." I never even thought of it that way. I appreciate and value your words. They did bring comfort to me earlier today when I read them.

      You see, I am living proof that a person can be awakened and wise and also a conscious being, and at the same time be absolutely powerless to find the thinking and tools to remedy the situation. You see, 16 years ago in 2002, I lost a job and had my vehicle repossessed all in 24 hours. The tow truck driver called the police when he saw how upset was. As a result, I spent 6 terrifying days and nights in Savannah, GA committed to a state institution. I will spare you the details. It was a horrible experience. It took me 6 months, but I did bounce back and found a job, a used beat up car, then 3 months later a nice truck and resumed my life. Well now is the closest time I have ever been to recreating that scenario again from 2002. I know what I fear can happen and I won't make it through this time if it does. So that is why I am so on edge. I feel the fear and anxiety as if it is already a reality.

      I am a conscious wise being and I want you to know it is a painful reality to have to interact with unconscious Bible thumping Southern people. Everything they suggest is doom and gloom. My landlord is very religious and told me the other night that my "only way out was Jesus." You get the picture I am sure. And she is the one that brought up the possible "having to live in a shelter". She has been a great landlord but she has never seen me before in a desperate place until a few days ago, and now she is like a whole different person, and a very scary one at that. It is hell for me living in a world of unlike minded people.

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      It is pointless to reach out to to social service agencies for help because I feel none of them are going to have hope in me that I can find a positive solution to this. What I need is a counselor I believe in, and have tried many times in the past all to no avail.

      Thank you for complimenting me on my writing. The first time I remember it being pointed out to me was from a Psychiatrist I was seeing in 2006 who noticed my writing. He would always say "he was amazed at how I wrote" when I emailed him between sessions. Unfortunately, i am in no frame of mind to write at present until this threat of homelessness, joblessness, and possible car-less-ness has passed and I feel safe again. I really want to move back to Florida. Been away 18 years except for brief periods. The cold winters here take a toll on me You would not believe how cold it can get in this area of North Georgia, temps down to 2 and 3 degrees this year for nearly 2 months. It is the elevation I am sure. Nothing like NY I am sure, but plenty cold when you are not feeling well emotionally. I miss the warmer climate.

      Thanks for allowing me to share this on your Hub which is not the most appropriate place to be doing so. This experience just reinforced my anger and disappointment at Abraham and the way they handle the topic of suicide as if it is a funny joke. Thank you

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      Wayne, try through a suicide hotline or whatever else is available to talk with someone with whom you can sort your thoughts out. The feelings you have are so powerful, they've got a grip on your thinking. It's a pattern you should try to break. Much more creative paths are open to folks as smart and insightful as you are. Try to break free of these destructive thinking patterns. You have a gift for writing. Maybe you can share your combined gifts of communicating and sharp insights to help others. Don't settle for what you've been stuck with.

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Dave:

      I thought I would share the following information regarding Abraham and suicide. It may be off topic. Edit or delete as you see fit. I personally am in a very bad place, probably the worst ever, and quite frankly I see no way out. I lost my job in November 2017 because the store I was a manger at closed, and there was no place for them to put me. I had been there 17 months making decent enough money to cover my rent and expenses.

      After the job was gone, I qualified for 14 weeks of unemployment from the state of Georgia, plus I had vacation time and they also paid me severance pay plus back commissions. So I had a decent cushion and my landlord was understanding and so I had plenty of time to find a new job, but have not. Depression, procrastination, loneliness, isolation, self pity and despair, and feeling powerless are just some of the factors I have to cite for current dilemma. I have no friends, intimate partner, or relatives to turn to. The unemployment compensation has ended.

      So now I am scared and my landlord is hinting I may have to move to a shelter and that scares me to death, plus the fear of losing my car is even worse. I live in a very remote mountain area and it gets very cold here at times. I just could not overcome the demons and inner turmoil within me to make smart choices before it became to the point of no return. I have been in this state before and no matter how many times I overcome it, I guess I don't learn from it. This time is different because I am 60 years old and feel I have hit the end of the road this time. I have been offered a part time job at a grocery store for low hours and wages plus I have another interview on Thursday, but these jobs would pay far less than what I need. So I am very frightened. I am not even sure I am capable or holding a job due to extreme anxiety and fear.

      When I first heard or read Abraham talk of suicide and they said something along the following lines: "When you die regardless of the circumstance natural or even self inflicted, you instantly pop or re-emerge into pure positive focus. I heard that about 12 years ago. Truthfully I have to admit I felt hope in that alleged fact because at that time I was on the road to suicide as I have been several times. The problem arose when I remembered other conflicting stories from other spiritual teachers that said otherwise. A Course In Miracles states: "Beware of the thought that death always leads to peace. The ego can still pursue you beyond the grave" Well this is ACIM stating that a suicide can still end up in a bad place on the other side, so that left me feeling more suicidal and hopeless. And there are teachers who state you will just have to come back and do the entire things over again. And that is terrifying. My life has been a living hell since age 24 in and out of psychiatric hospitals, the last time was 2003. But the fear is always there I may end up hospitalized again.

      After remembering that, I could not trust Abraham. And then I heard Abraham joke about people who committed suicide. I heard them say that if your life becomes so negative that you have to kill yourself to find relief, the moment you reemerge into pure positive awareness "there is raucous laughter from others on the other side who laugh at you when they see how bewildered you are when you first reemerge." This really pissed me off and made me angry. The thought of non physical beings on the other side laughing and making fun of the person who has just died and then when they realize once they reemerge that dying is no big deal nor the problems they just tried to escape with. The idea that people on the other side act and behave no different than rowdy and insenstive friends in this life scares me and I felt traumatized by what Abraham speaks.

      I am very scared and don't know what to believe. My mother hung herself to death in 1982 when she was 63 from an orange tree in the backyard of my family home in Florida She hung herself from an Navel Orange tree that was my favorite as a teenager growing up there. Although she did not mention me in her suicide note written in a red pen pinned to her blouse, I know she chose that tree to send a symbolic message to me of what "a rotten and uncaring son I had been because I did not love her, and so now she kills herself to punish me." I did not buy into it, but it was a terrifying and traumatizing event. It took police all day to find her body and they had been walking by her body all day obscured by low hanging branches on the tree. My dad happened to find her late in the day hanging from a limb with a small step ladder below her feet. She was completely covered in ants is what I heard. I was living about 25 miles away in another town when I found out from the Sheriff's department.

      Eight years later after my mothers death, I had a counseling session with this guy who called himself a channel who channeled this non physical being named Dr. G. Dr. G seemed to know my mother was dead and he told me that she was interfering with my life like an attached entity. I felt very scared. He told me that even though she had been dead for 8 years, she was in a state of confusion and was not truly aware of where she was or what had happened. There were no stories about how she was met by loved ones or comforted by guides or spirits. I was angry and scared by the insensitivity of this medium. I had driven 240 miles from Lakeland, FL to Palm Beach, FL to see this guy. I went home scared and stayed scared for years. I saw this medium again about two years later, this time he was only a short distance away from where I lived. This time Dr. G told me that my mother had moved on and was working as a non physical librarian on the other side helping people find information that they may need.

      So I don't know what to think and I am afraid. I am not about to reach out to a hot line because I know where that will lead because it led there before, and that is commitment. If I lose my car there is no hope for me to stay in my apartment or get a job and turn this situation around. I am so mad at myself for squandering 4 months and the funds I had hiding under the blankets in bed trying to escape from the feelings of depression and hopelessness.

      Trauma from the past is a horrible thing and I have trauma on top of trauma that has never been resolved or healed. Please visualize and hope for me a way out of this that does not involve losing my car, my apartment, my freedom or suicide. If I lose my freedom and independence, I will have lost everything.

      I felt I had to share this with you guys and I am so sorry for any unpleasant ways it may make you all feel. I am talking mainly to you Dave and James. I cannot ask you to pray for me because I am no longer religious or believe there is a loving God that has solutions and hope for me. Thank you for reading this.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Yes. Grifter.

    • David Stone1 profile imageAUTHOR

      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      A lot of the evidence that could be found suggests he was actually more of a grifter, most of the time, but records are scant. They include numerous pseudonyms.

      The worst is at the end of Ask when he drones on about specific lessons that are clearly not grafted from a workshop. It's filler to keep the publisher happy and deadly dull.

      In reality, Jerry pressured Esther constantly to pump out books, which she hated doing. You'll see they ended when he died. The later books were cooked up by a group of insiders who decided they'd be legit as long as they were based on something spoken at one of the workshops. The whole idea was to make money, not inspired teaching.

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      Wayne Williams 

      8 months ago from Young Harris, GA

      Hello you guys: Dave and James: I kept getting notifications today that there were new comments posted. I looked expecting a find another notorious Abercover Plant, but realized it was just you guys conversing. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello while passing through. Thanks for keeping the Light Of Truth on.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Get this. Spouse is listening to the audio book of Ask and it is Given. Ugh! Irony. Someone uploaded the whole thing to YouTube. What I find curious is why Jerry is doing the audio and not 'Abraham' (Esther). Jerry is horrible. He drones on and one with no inflection. The material is bad enough as it is but to have Jerry was a bad choice. I can only think of one reason - his control issues. How in the hell could this man have been an 'entertainer' - as Abraham (esther likes to brag)? We all know he wasn't an entertainer in the traditional sense. He was in the circus.

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      David Stone 

      8 months ago from New York City

      What's going on here, James, is pretty common with religions. It's the security in sharing a communal myth that gets people, not the truths or practices. It's belonging to a group with shared myths. They never need to truthful for any religion.

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      James Clinton 

      8 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      I know. I just get aggravated when I hear Esther spew such BS. People fall for it. Including my spouse. Ugh!

      I needed to vent. Thank you for this safe space so that I can vent.

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