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15 Reasons You Can't Trust Esther Hicks or Abraham

Updated on May 4, 2015

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Esther Hicks On Stage

Learning Not to Trust Abraham-Hicks

Did you ever wonder how Esther Hicks learned about The Law of Attraction and channeling?

It all came from her husband, Jerry Hicks, who died in 2011, and his sources from the century old New Thought Movement.

But the real messenger, she claims, is "Abraham."

She describes Abraham as a collection of about one-hundred "nonphysical teachers" that deposit "blocks of thought" in her head while she's in a trance. She translates the blocks into words, acting out as Abraham and dropping the "I" in exchange for "we."

She's able to do this almost instantly on stage before live audiences, simply by relaxing and "letting them come in."

On stage, "they" begin with a greeting, a familiar warm up in which they tell you how pleased they are to have you in attendance for "co-creating."

That's followed by a riff on some topic, sort of a sermon and, then, a session where you're invited to march up and take a spot in the "hot seat" where they can ask ask Abraham for one-on-one guidance.

Off stage, Esther says Abraham dictates books by forcing her fingers to type on a keyboard.

That's the official story, anyway. In truth, while he was still alive, Jerry Hicks pressured Esther to write books to fulfill a contract with Hay House. He edited them, even while publicly insisting they were the untouched wisdom of Abraham.

Something new: Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree, Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

The production of new books halted when Jerry died. Did he take Abraham with him?

Most, including her role model, Sheila Gillette, call what Esther does "spirit channeling," but Esther spurns that label, singling herself out as unique.

She interprets "blocks of thought" from nonphysical teachers who are informed directly by "Source," a term she chooses instead of God, although what you and I call "God" is what she means.

But do stumbles and errors show us that Abraham-Hicks might be a product of hers and Jerry's ambitions and not some divine source of wisdom?

I launched this article by giving ten examples of mistakes suggesting that Esther Hicks could not be channeling anyone or anything, at least not channeling any entity that was bright, educated or well-informed and certainly not anyone intimately connected with God.

I now have a list of fifteen for you. It wasn't hard getting there.

How Did They Plant It and Make It Grow?

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks' Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Do the Teachings of Abraham-Hicks make sense, looked at closely and objectively? Did Jerry Hicks really die? Is there something to hide?

 

The List of What Esther Hicks Gets Wrong Every Time

Here are the things that, bit by bit, convince me that Esther Hicks is making it all up as she goes along and that Abraham-Hicks, is a hoax.

The reasons keep accumulating as more people look at and expose contradictions and, also, as insiders begin stepping forward to talk about their experiences with the Hicks operations. The easy life of cruising along in their monster bus doesn't come close to resembling the real life, 24 X 7 labor of managing Abraham-Hicks.

  • Here's a bonus reason, making it now sixteen reasons you can't trust Esther Hicks for guidance or wisdom. Honestly, I was going to stop at fifteen, but this one was so very awful, I had to put it in. Ready?

    "There is no state of physical decline or damage that you could not recover from-none-not any, if you knew it... If you wanted it and knew that you could. And that's those miracles that they talk about every day. They're not miracles at all, they are the natural order of things. But because they are rare, people think they are miraculous. They're not. That's the way it is supposed to be. You're supposed to thrive."

    ---Abraham

    Excerpted from the workshop in San Diego, CA on February 23, 2002

    Let's start with "if you wanted it." If it's physical damage, even a simple one like a visible scar, you are very likely to want it. Easy peasy. And now that Esther has informed you that "you could," why not just make that scar go away? There is nothing stopping you. The next Abraham-Hicks follower using this method to repair physical damage and has before and after pics to prove it, let us all know about it in the comments below. I'll arrange for you to get me copies and I'll post them here. Promise. But I won't be holding my breath waiting.

  • Jerry Hicks lost his battle with cancer after choosing a course of treatment that seems a direct contradiction of "the teachings of Abraham." Belittling conventional medicine on many occasions, Esther Hicks (in her Abraham persona) said that a near immediate return to health was possible, simply by changing vibrations. It would take as little as an afternoon, she said. While she was able to blame the victims of cancer and other illnesses by pointing out that they just weren't getting their vibrations right, she chose silence when it came to the sick man who slept next to Abraham for 25 years and had been described by her as the best at managing his vibration of anyone alive.

    Silence is especially golden when it protects the cash flow.

    So, devastating was the news of Jerry Hicks illness and so clearly did it threaten to expose Abraham Hicks teachings as fake that, after a clumsy, unethical effort to blame his hospitalization on a spider bite, they released a convoluted story about how he went for "heavy chemotherapy" as the "path of least resistance," a throwback to older, forgotten "teachings."

    Not until Jerry Hicks died did Esther concede that he'd been battling leukemia. She offered no explanation about why he hadn't simply followed Abraham's teachings, opting instead for a saccharine monologue that had little to say in tribute to her decease partner and a lot about herself.

    Notes:

    Esther Hicks on the best approach to medicine: "The very best approach to medicine is,'Well, I see your physical body is sick, what's been bothering you? What are you worried about? What are you angry about? What are you frustrated about?' Because that is what is at the root of all of this. And then say, 'Let it go, let it go, let it go.' That's the message, and if they could hear you and do that, then they would all be well right away."

    --- Abraham

    Excerpted from the workshop in Ashland, OR on Tuesday, May 16th, 2000

  • Did you know that a selfish child is "like Jesus" who didn't bother himself with concerns about others' (using Esther's word) "toylessness?"

    With this fantastic claim, Esther Hicks abolished Jesus' well-known empathy and kindness toward others in need and replaced it with indifference. (Remember, she claims that Jesus is a member of the Abraham collective of "nonphysical teachers."

    Earlier, speaking as Abraham, she connected herself firmly to Jesus (and other prominent religious figures like Buddha and Mohammad): "That which Jesus was, Esther is," she said while in her slick Abraham trance. It was first time Jesus ever became so narcissistic or enamored with wealth and possessions.

    There's more.

    In the same sequence, a concerned mother who had inexplicably come to Esther for advice introduced a new concern. It worried her (She couldn't stay "in the vortex.") that her son had a habit of kicking the family's cat.

    The always wise Esther Hicks ordered her not to interfere. It was between her kid and the cat. The cat was "teaching" the brat, according to Esther.

    Favorably comparing a child's selfishness to Jesus, followed up by encouraging animal abuse... Is this the spiritual guide to follow?

    Esther Hicks may be making it hard for even the true believers to stick with the her. Even the most duped in a cult ought to see the dangers in letting a child kick a trapped cat.

  • A lack of empathy exposes a lack of awareness about the contours of engagement in physical relationships. This is best seen in Esther Hicks' inability to comprehend the pain caused by the loss of loved ones in death and mockingly referring to death as "croaking," bragging about "being so disrespectful." Esther Hicks has stuck with declaring "delightful" every death experience without exception. It's worth noting, of course, that there is no one around who can contradict her, although growing mountains of evidence from NDEs tell a different story.

    (Note: Just for the record, Esther dropped the "croaking" references when Jerry died. He "transitioned," instead. Gone also was her heartless observation that, "It's always good to see the old ones go." Jerry Hicks was 84.)

    Probably the meanest is her claim that, after dying, we are without exception happy, even blissful, even those who have been immersed in a joyful existence up until that moment or who have left children, dependents and other loved ones behind. This trivializes life on Earth, just as traditional religions do, showing this "leading edge of thought" is simply a variation on a tired theme.

  • Esther Hicks claims that humans didn't evolve from apes, but were "a whole new idea." Nice try, but we share about 97% of their genes and the evolutionary track is fairly well understood. Other channels, such as Theo, have no trouble with evolution. We may be cluing in here more to Esther's (and the rest of country's) lack of scientific knowledge.

    Here is the quote in all it's thickheadedness:

    "There is thought, and there is Thought Form, and there is Manifestation. Manifestation is always in the eye of the beholder. So this time-space-reality that everyone is perceiving is nothing more than vibrational interpretation.

    So the Thought Form of that which is man was set forth from Broader Perspective, and has continued to evolve by the experience of those who were having the experience here on the planet. And what you actually see as man or human is vibrational interpretation.

    Now, did man come from ape? No, man was a different idea. So how does the idea of evolution occur? And we say: because the idea of each species was set forth, and as the experience of the species is lived, the idea expands. So the expansion is happening from the Leading Edge place and is supported from the Source Energy that flows everywhere the idea goes."

    Esther Hicks has also said recently that humans were on Earth during the time of the dinosaurs, missing her guess by only a few billion years.

    Wouldn't you think any "nonphysical entity" with the access to all the insight in the universe, as Esther and Jerry Hicks claim Abraham has, might actually know what high school science teaches can't be true?

Alternatives for Spiritual Guidance

If it's a spiritual journey you're on and you want a teacher or teachers, you can find better choices. Here are some personal recommendations from books I've enjoyed.

Unleash the Power Within: Personal Coaching from Anthony Robbins That Will Transform Your Life!
Unleash the Power Within: Personal Coaching from Anthony Robbins That Will Transform Your Life!

Anthony Robbins asks you to accept the reality of awakening and the need for making a massive effort to get what you want.

 

Ancient Alternative that Survives the Test of Time

The Four Agreements Toltec Wisdom Collection: 3-Book Boxed Set
The Four Agreements Toltec Wisdom Collection: 3-Book Boxed Set

The beautiful thing about The Four Agreements is the simple honesty of it. The wisdom may be ancient, but the insight is timeless. It can help you adjust your life, right now, today.

 

Take a Long Hard Look at the Teachings of Abraham

Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction
Jerry and Esther Hicks' Spiritual Money Tree: Stories Behind the Abraham-Hicks Teachings and the Law of Attraction

Have you ever looked at the story Jerry and Esther told about the birth of Abraham? What do the teachings really say? You might be surprised, even shocked at what you learn.

 

Where Jerry Hicks Learned What Became the Teachings Of Abraham

The sources for the teachings of Abraham in style and content aren't hard to find.

Jerry Hicks' Bible

Think and Grow Rich
Think and Grow Rich

This was Jerry Hicks bible, the "secret" wisdom from which he drew the teachings.

 

Five More Things Esther Hicks Always Gets Wrong

  • "Abraham Live," maybe the creepiest thing to come out the Abraham-Hicks marketing machine, even if the title itself wasn't weirdly funny, has begun to run concurrent with the workshops. For only seventy-five bucks, with no right to record a copy, followers can watch Esther do her shtick on their computers.

    In short, the Hicks Team is webcasting their workshops, much as the monster churches do, and they are probably gearing up to ask followers to pony up subscription fees, taking greed to a whole new level. As Gordon Gecko pointed out, greed can be good, but when you consider the sales pitch for this thing, it's hard to imagine who would pony up seventy-five hard-earned dollars for it or, really, why followers aren't already fleeing.

    Quoting directly from the announcement:

    "We recently had a chat with Abraham about these upcoming global broadcasts of our live seminars, which will allow people to participate in a live event without actually being in the room. So many people, from so many places around the world, have requested that we travel to their countries so that they can participate with Abraham, and this new Live Stream broadcast answers that request. It will be a great way for people who can't be, or don't want to be, in the seminar room to still participate in the seminar.

    "As Abraham used the word 'participate,' Jerry asked, 'Since the people won't be in the room and won't be raising their hands, and won't be able to sit in the hot seat to ask their question, what does Abraham mean by participate?' Abraham smiled..."

    Now when you consider the unintentional humor of going "live" with a group of "nonphysical teachers" who claim to be "deader than dead," you might overlook the suggestion of having a "chat" with them, but what got me was "Abraham smiled.... Now just exactly how does a nonphysical entity, who Esther Hicks claims gives her "blocks of thought," smile...?

    Nathan, who thinks I'm "close minded" (probably means closed minded) and have a bunch of other deficiencies, commenting below, argues that, if Abraham can convey thought with emotion, then they can convey a smile. Of course, in reality, Esther claims they convey "blocks of thought," not "thoughts with emotion" and a smile is a whole other thing. Nice try, Nathan.

    The word whacky doesn't even cover it.

  • Asked about severely disabled children and how the Law of Attraction would draw painful experiences into a baby's life and that of his or her parents, Abraham claimed these were "old souls"arriving damaged, just for the experience, saying nothing about how struggling parents attracted them.

    An important aspect of their preaching about the law, as explained, is that we are always in control of everything that happens in our lives. A random genetic error, an accident, Is not possible, since each individual creates every aspect of their experience. Esther is sometimes forced to come up with some fairly crackpot and impossible explanations to justify implausible circumstances.

  • In Boulder Colorado in June of 2004, Esther said this: "Every bit of it is about economics. Every bit of it, without exception. Everything about religion is about economics. Everything about politics is about economics. And everything about economics is personal satisfaction. Everyone is personally motivated to do the best that they can possibly do for themselves."

    But in Kansas City in September, same year, she said this: "Your world is pointing toward an insistence on conformity which is causing you enormous grief. It's what's at the heart of all of your religious battles, and religious battles are what are at the heart of all of your battles. In other words, all of your wars and global irritation with one another are over your determination to promote sameness. Your democracy insists that it's the only government that works. And every religion (it's interesting to note) proclaims that it is the only one that works."

    But Esther, didn't you say it was all about economics? Oh, well...

  • Recent books, especially in the series starting with the power of emotions as a subject, are not direct quotes from Abraham. They are rehashed versions of the teachings, stretched out with object lessons about certain situations, much in the style of the earliest Abraham recordings. They are expurgated by Jerry Hicks, according to his own lights, which reduces their credibility for several reasons we can save for another time.

    To get a better perspective on this, try to get your hands on the audio version of these books. At the close of each, they include an Abraham-Hicks live session recording. The difference is dramatic. Moreover, the books are spoken by Jerry, not Esther, who appears only in the introduction. Jerry has never claimed to channel Abraham.

    (Note: It was confirmed for me by a person involved that these later books were a project conceived by the team as a way of repackaging teachings Abraham had already offered. The trouble, of course, is that this makes them someone else's selective interpretation, not the pure, gut stuff we were told came straight from Abraham.)

  • From the simple Law of Attraction teachings, the Abraham-Hicks team has added many complicated procedures and new ideas. Now, instead of "you get what you think about" and "birds of a feather flock together," we have a "vortex"where desired things are held in abeyance. They haven't been delivered because the time is not yet right or, the standing explanation, "you're not letting it in."

    Also, when it was revealed that, contrary to Esther and Jerry Hicks' claims, the "Law of Attraction" did not originate with them, they migrated it to the clunkier term "Vortex of Attraction," which does.

End Of The List For What Esther Hicks Always Gets Wrong

  • The 2012 harmonic convergence predictions. At first, Abraham shrugged these speculations off as useless because, according to the Law of Attraction, we will get what we attract then, and nothing can be predicted in advance. Later, pressured by true believers in their New Age audiences, they fell into the harmonic convergence line and talked about new knowledge and awareness in the world today that would lead to great change in 2012. Popular demand engendered new truths, it seems.

    By the way, none of the big changes ever occurred. Wrong again, Abe.

  • Wisdom, if viable, doesn't need all the marketing and image control used by Abraham-Hicks. It's getting to be as if Jesus were pitching pricey sandals and offering to lead pilgrimages for a fee.

    In a nearly ghoulish twirling of Jerry Hicks cancer into a marketing tool, Abraham Hicks on July 7th, 2011, sent out an email blast with this exact wording:

    "We so much appreciate all the inquiries and love that you have been sending our way and we wanted to give you a quick update.

    "We're going to fly to Del Mar on Monday for the next phase of our rebalancing act in getting Jerry back on his feet and feeling frisky. Every day we're experiencing the relief that we can only receive from Abraham as they remind us about the power of the Vortex. We are enjoying the comfort when we are able to ignore the temporary what-is.

    "Abraham recorded a wonderful segment for Jerry last night guiding him toward complete comfort and ease, and that is exactly what he is focusing on now. We'll continue our city-to-city workshop schedule as posted, which means that we'll be enjoying the company of our friends in San Francisco on Saturday, July 9th. If you'd like to join the generally frisky Frisco workshop group, you can call the office before 4 p.m. CDT on Friday (830-755-2299). The last San Francisco workshop was filled to capacity, so a phone reservation would ensure that we won't run out of chairs."

    They didn't even enter a paragraph break between the news of Abraham recording a segment, whatever that might be, probably a workshop rehearsal tape, for Jerry and the pitch for tickets. This isn't illiterate as much as it is Freudian. "Move over now, Jerry, we've got tickets to sell."

  • In twenty-five years, wouldn't these "eternal beings"with direct access to the "Source," or supreme being, have come up with one original, really useful idea? I'd have been happy with a simple cure for the common cold.

    (Nathan again, commenting below, implies that Abraham did provide a cure for the common cold. Right. My mistake. Here it is: Don't think about colds and you won't get one. How did we all miss that for so long!)

    Abraham has never provided a new idea. Esther and Jerry Hicks just took techniques developed by Seth and Theo, both of whom Jerry and Esther were very familiar with before Abraham arrived, and blended in ideas from the old "New Thought Movement." Abraham's "hot seat" conversations with attendees are entertaining and sometimes enlightening, but they break no new ground.

    I'm not saying they don't occasionally come up with something fantastic, but something useful and objectively observable would be nice. Most of us would love to have what Esther preaches be true. Well, not the animal abuse stuff, but a lot of it.

    How about telling us how radiation or toxins cause cells to become cancerous? Gold star for Esther, if she can peg that one.

  • Abraham's teachings are simple. There has been nothing new in a decade, except for exercises and concepts like "the Vortex."But like a jalopy without brakes, the machine keeps rolling from seminar to seminar as long as cash is available. Is this what one who professes to be as wise and all knowing as Abraham would do? Why not give it away?

    If the Law of Attraction works as Esther Hicks and Abraham have taught, then Esther and Jerry's abundance is assured anyway. So, why keep pumping out new products and cruises when there is nothing more to say?

  • Thudding boredom and marginal literacy have entered the realm of Esther, Jerry and Abraham Hicks.

    It's only fair to assume that an entity with the wisdom and access Esther and Jerry Hicks claim for Abraham would be thrilling to hear from. For many of us, they once were, but here's a recent entry from their Vortex writings:

    "I Can Attract Relationships That Agree with My Desires... People are not finding it difficult to find the mate of their dreams because that person is not out there, but because of their own contradiction to their own desire in the thoughts they offer about the subject every day.

    When you consistently offer thoughts about your future relationship that feel good while you think them, that means you are consistently matching the desires that you have discovered as you have lived life. And under those conditions, only someone in agreement with your desires could come to you. Under those conditions, no need for control is necessary.

    Through each exposure to interacting with others, you launch continuous rockets of desires of what you prefer. And only when you are a Vibrational Match to the culmination of those desires will you allow your rendezvous with someone who matches those intentions that you have gathered along your physical trail."

    --- Abraham

    Excerpted from the book, The Vortex, Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships # 80

    Anyone who can read that through without dozing off has my admiration. Who thought anyone claiming so much wisdom could be such an infinite bore?

  • Abraham Hicks is baffled by String Theory.

    You'd think an entity claiming access to all the wisdom the world has ever known would be able to comment on a popular scientific thread that might bolster some of their claims, but no. According to a recording supplied by a friend who prefers to remain anonymous, Abraham doesn't even know what it is.

    Simply, Superstring (commonly known simply as "string") theory tries to explain some of the peculiarities of quantum physics by proposing extra dimensions and constituents of matter that make the quantum world appear as it does. Abraham, after hearing a man describe himself as a "recovering physicist" and make a simple explanation of what string theory was supposed to do, politely listened as Esther explained that going back in time was a waste, seeming to get string theory as something to do with evolution, which, of course, we already know she hasn't a clue about.

    If Esther Hicks is going to continue faking Abraham, she'd do well to read some newer books and stop looking at herself in the mirror while counting ticket sales.

In Conclusion

If you believe, as I do, that anyone offering guidance from the highest spiritual source ought to be consistent and original, you will find Esther Hicks lacking. If you believe any God worth having would be compassionate, you won't find that in Abraham.

My fifteen reasons are a brief summary. I could easily find a hundred contradictions and errors in fact. If you're looking for a teacher, you can find better. That's a fact.

Faking or Channeling a Real Nonphysical Entity?

Is Esther Hicks faking?

Maybe not always, but faking at least some of the time now.

Maybe not always, but faking at least some of the time now.

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    • David Stone 2 months ago from New York City

      Yeah, for whatever reason, HP has always accidentally duplicated some comments. Seem to be with no rhyme or reason.

    • David Stone 2 months ago from New York City

      It wasn't just that she couldn't explain String Theory, it's that she hand't any idea what it is. She could have said, "That's all wrong because...." or "Yes, that's part of how the physical works universe works." Either would have been fine, but her response was clueless, out of context.

      As for evolution, it's accepted universally by scientists. It's only religious believers who disagree, and their arguments have been debunked.

    • James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      I'm attempting to re-post my reply to Snap. If it appears twice, my apologies.

      Snap,

      First of all. It's irrelevant whether or not String Theory is or is not testable when applying it to questioning Esther. Please note. I only refer to Esther and not Abraham because I do think she's faking it - always has been.

      If Esther/Abraham is 'Infinite Intelligence', which she has referred to Abraham as, 'Infinite Intelligence' should be just that - Infinitely Intelligent. 'Infinite Intelligence' should be able to explain string theory at the drop of a hat not avoid it because she has no clue as to what it is. Maybe Esther should Google it so that when she's asked again, she'll be able to answer it. HMM!

      As for evolution or the beginning of life, I, a very intelligent person - but not infinite intelligence - will accept the big bang theory as well as evolution as very trusted theories from well renowned scientists. Esther is not an renowned scientist. I know that Esther was raised in a Mormon household where the father was the ruler of the house. So. I can venture that her education was limited.

    • James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Snap,

      Whether string theory is or is not testable is not the point when it comes to asking Abraham. IF Abraham is truly 'infinite intelligence', Infinite Intelligence should be able to explain string theory without the slightest bit of hesitance. Someone who professes to be 'Infinite Intelligence' should be just that - infinitely intelligent. Got it?

      As for evolution and evolution, I accept it as a theory that has been taught in our biology classes from at lease middle school on up. I noticed that you did not mention Esther/Abraham's crazy ass notion that humans and dinosaurs existed simultaneously. Considering that Esther was raised a Mormon. I'm not the least bit surprised that she believes that.

    • James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      Snap,

      Whether string theory is or is not testable is not the point when it comes to asking Abraham. IF Abraham is truly 'infinite intelligence', Infinite Intelligence should be able to explain string theory without the slightest bit of hesitance. Someone who professes to be 'Infinite Intelligence' should be just that - infinitely intelligent. Got it?

      As for evolution and evolution, I accept it as a theory that has been taught in our biology classes from at lease middle school on up. I noticed that you did not mention Esther/Abraham's crazy ass notion that humans and dinosaurs existed simultaneously. Considering that Esther was raised a Mormon. I'm not the least bit surprised that she believes that.

    • David Stone 2 months ago from New York City

      Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

    • Snap 2 months ago

      String theory is nonsense. It's not testable. Even in evolutionary theory we didn't evolve from Apes (rather more likely it is supposed, common ancestors). But nobody can explain the beginning of life and until they do, we really have no idea how any life form came to be, including humans.

    • James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      He's alienated all of our friends here in Baltimore. We have a few elsewhere. I'll see if any of them will be willing to help.

    • James Clinton 2 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      He's alienated all of our friends here in Baltimore. We have a few elsewhere.

    • David Stone 2 months ago from New York City

      Yeah, there aren't 30 years of truths to share. She's been milking it, making stuff up as she goes along for a long time. If I were you, I'd round up some friends. It's time for an intervention.

      Good luck!

    • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      I'm glad you are continuing to respond to comments here. I have to tell you David. It helps me immensely. I feel quite alone. My husband listens constantly to the CD's he's made from downloading the youtube videos. It takes every bit of strength I have to yell 'turn that shit off'...

      It's been my analysis through listening (incessantly) that I've been able to realize that the stuff doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. It's constantly contradictory.

      again. grateful that you are still responding to comments.

    • David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      Kyra's disappearance is a complete mystery to me. She never said anything to anyone. She just stopped. Her blogs are still there, but never updated. If I had to guess, I'd say she decided not to me her thoughts public anymore for personal reasons.

      The approach was pretty bad at times while Jerry was very active. Back then, Abraham said that aging was just an idea, not a fact of life that affected everyone, that dinosaurs and people were on the planet at the same time, that all deaths were suicides and you could cure yourself of any condition if you believed it could happened and wanted it. Those last two became issues when Jerry and Esther went over the top, trying to evade the truth of his cancer and eventual death from it. They stopped referring to death and "croaking" and forgot all about how "It's always good to see the old ones go." See, the crazy was there all the time. So was a lot of other deep stuff, but you had to sort through it. There were plenty of enablers, including Wayne Dyer and Hay House.

    • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      these were youtube videos that others have posted but have yet to be pulled by the Abraham-Hicks orgn.

      What is your thought on what has happened to Kyra?

      I posit that Esther has been faking it the whole time and that since Jerry died/transitioned (not croaked), the faking has taken on a different less controlled, less intelligent (imo) approach.

    • David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      The YouTube videos were all intended to be promotions for the books and workshops. They've hired professional teams to produce them, just like commercials. It's pretty effective, giving something away free to attract new customers, a very well-known strategy. It works for them.

      Just one more Jerry tidbit. In his last years, he was obsessed with how AH came off online. He stayed up half the night, searching around the Internet, countering negative comments with fake personas. Like other publishers, the books got a lot of fake reviews from created personas. Even after he died, some people kept it up. I used to get a lot of fakers on my posts. So did Kyra. I'd love to know what became of her. (I have an idea.) Nobody ever vanished as abruptly and thoroughly as she did.

    • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      The 'channeling' Napoleon Hill would pop up here and there. I've heard the story a few times. Much to my chagrin, I've heard more seminars than I ever care to. Ironically. My spouse has downloaded them from YouTube and burned them to disc and loaded them on his phone. I'm re-reading your book. I feel as if I'm having to de-program myself. In your description of tenet #4, you describe Esther as an 'untested spirit channel.' I would love to find a way to test her.

      I'm quite familiar with the trademarking law of attraction story. You cover it in your book and your blog. I think that Kyra has it on her blog also. The piece about Jerry throwing a fit plus the guest blog posting by Anilhara paints a very clear picture of Jerry for me. Another bit of irony. Jerry and I are from the same region of Arkansas.

    • David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      I'm not familiar with the channeling Napoleon Hill narrative. It must have come up after I stopped paying attention. Hill was Jerry's guru, but when they got popular, it wasn't Hill but Seth (dumbed down) with Theo for presentation. Jerry kept butting in though, which accounts for the dull sections in the books and ideas that contradict each other. The three step method -- You ask, they deliver, you allow -- was invented to explain why people were not getting their stuff, as expected. They spun that out into the "Vortex," which meant that everything was delivered, just as promised, but it was waiting for the right moment.

      An interesting thing you may not know is that Jerry tried to trademark "Law of Attraction," but was shot down because the phrase had been in use since the 1920s. Apparently, he tought he could slip it through, and an acquaintance who was present told me that Jerry flipped, raging up and down the aisle of the "monster bus" when he got the news. Shortly thereafter, they came up with "Vortex of Attraction," which really was original and clunky.

    • David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      It's interesting what she gets away with, but as with other faith based preaching, followers make adjustments on the fly that keep their beliefs intact.

    • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      I'm also questioning the validity of the whole Napoleon Hill narrative they pushed for years. The story about her attending one of Jerry's 'Think and Grow Rich' presentations and then 'channeled' Napoleon Hill later in Jerry's car at which time Napoleon allegedly told them that he was so happy that Jerry was going around presenting his work and furthermore that he intended for 'vibration' to be in the book but it was edited out. Why didn't she channel Napoleon right there in public for all to see?

      . HMMM! Sounds familiar. Isn't that also the same story given in regards to the Secret? When in truth about the Secret was that Jerry and Esther had a falling out with the writer/producer of the film? The other part of the Think and Grow Rich narrative that Jerry just happened to find this book in a motel room . . . Not buying it. Later he finds a new edition in a book store with the word vibration put back in. I've been reading about Napoleon Hill. He does not credit vibration for his success. He credits Andrew Carnegie.

    • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

      a spiritual guide should be consistent and actually intelligent. 'Infinite Intelligence' should actually be all knowing/intelligent.

    • David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

      Don't be so angry, J. If you actually pay attention to Abraham, you'd know that you shouldn't be so troubled by other people's opinions. And if you read the book, you'd know that nowhere does it express disbelief in the law of attraction.

      "Who writes an entire book simply to discredit somebody else?" Plenty of people, actually. Books debunking all sorts of things and claims are fairly common. It seems your main issue is, #1, you conflate law of attraction with Jerry and Esther and end up needing to defend both. Second, you haven't read the book, which this hub is not about anyway, and have no basis for complaining. If a law of attraction technique worked for you, great. You aren't the first or last. The philosophy and various ways of using it has been around for nearly a hundred years. That does not, however, validate everything Jerry and Esther did with it.

    She's real. Taking quotes out of context is a cheap trick.

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      • James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

        David Stone, THANK YOU for this very insightful blog. As I mentioned in a previous comment, I've grown very skeptical of the 'teachings'. This is especially true of the 'feel good' no matter what. I concur with other commenters about that. As a person who is very logical and very analytical, I find it hard to believe in anything in particular except myself. I never bought the whole christianity thing despite trying many different denominations. Feel good not matter what . . my foot. I really do believe that the AH thing is very cult like. Thanks again for the blog.

      • Chell 4 months ago

        I first came across them several years ago and they matched teachings I experienced back in the early '90s. Things that were never meant to be a 'how to' guide for living your life, just an explanation of how it all works.

        I quickly became delusioned with the Hicks clan, but as a philosophy of how it all works, I still like loa. Recently, I have noticed how following this closely actually makes people into self-centred a*holes bordering on narcissism.

        Seeing people's pain and ignoring them because 'ooh that will upset my vibration'. A total joke.

      • David Stone 6 months ago from New York City

        At the end of the day, dave, I agree with you. I am one of them.

      • dave 6 months ago

        Who could be bothered at the end of the day esther hicks has hellped many people create a better life for them selves that is a fact.

      • Ahovala 15 months ago

        I find it interesting when someone attempts to "debunk" something like Abraham or the work of Esther -Hicks. This Author overlooks some very serious points. While one could say that "Think and Grow Rich" was Jerry's Bible because Jerry taught courses on that book early in his travels. A little more research would have provided the fact that the "Seth Speaks" books brought Jerry and Esther into the work they do. Seth was also channeled. It seems like the Author just has a problem with their work. Everything and every issue that the author has can be attributed to any major religion David might want to recognize that esther is a NY Times best selling author that has successfully thrived for more than a decade.

      • David Stone 15 months ago from New York City

        Hmmm....

      • Haha 16 months ago

        You don't know anything

      • David Stone 20 months ago from New York City

        Commenters who can't handle critical reviews about supernatural claims sometimes try to take the high road, but that's not really it. If you're secure in your beliefs about Esther Hicks and her claims, some of them outrageous and borderline cruel, then you should have no problem with both sides of the issue being covered. Esther and Jerry understood this and worked their tails off to promote themselves, including sock puppet reviews on Amazon and elsewhere to overcome criticism and even aggressively attacking Wikipedia until they got a - mostly - positive review that didn't threaten the money machine. Wikipedia was even persuaded to describe Esther as an "inspirational speaker," not a spirit channel, which is harder to sell. People considering Esther's teachings ought to be able to be informed about both sides of her claims, don't you think?

      • Jazzkat 20 months ago

        I understand where you are coming from......it would be my hope that we can coexist and stop pointing fingers. What works for me doesn't work for you...Ive bought two of their books in ten years but have open access to listen to the material free. It has worked for me. The Secret..this concept has been around far longer than the movie in new thought churches. Regardless of what happened between Brynes and Hicks....You will never hear Ester talk negatively about her. You don't believe any of it..that is your right....just walk away move on with your life. Wish people could direct their energies towards the many truly harmful things in this world.

      • David Stone 21 months ago from New York City

        All I can tell you, Matt, is that most people get over it in time. That's not great news, but the good part is, most only stick with the more sane parts anyway, ignoring the craziness. They only time you have to worry is when they go missionary and try converting others. Your wife is probably a sincere seeker who just landed on the wrong guru temporarily.

      • Matt 21 months ago

        "Abe" has completely changed my wife for the worse . She now believes she is in the vortex and on a higher "vibration " than myself , although she claims that that dosent make her better than my self just a better place and more in touch with "source" , help

      • David Stone 22 months ago from New York City

        annon, I'll get back to you when I figure out what you're talking about. Maybe you can offer an example of what you mean by "bullying people on the internet." If you're referring to have opinions you don't like, that's not bullying. It's having integrity. So, what are you talking about?

      • annon 22 months ago

        If you're as happy and successful as you say you are then why are you bullying people on the internet who choose to see life in a different way than you

      • Reality 2 years ago

        Very easy. Questions you must ask yourself is what is reality? What is the truth or false? On what do you base your belief systems?

      • David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

        Any addiction can be dangerous when taken to excess. I reported one story in which an Abraham Hicks follower - she listened to at least two hours of tapes every day and participated heavily in their forums - killed herself when the guidance she received utterly failed her.

        The interesting thing was that, after it happened, the Abraham Hicks Forum disappeared her and, taking it a step further, refused to allow as much as an announcement about her death to appear there among her many friends.

      • College student 2 years ago

        It's much more dangerous than it seems . People can destroy their entire lives just to feel better momentarily . I snapped out of it when I found stories of people stopping their medication,quitting their job ,being bad parents because abe said don't deal with your emotions and problems head on lol

        It is the worst advice anyone can give and it's sad to see people following her :(

      • David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

        Although there are thousands of readily available examples of people who worked hard to achieve success (It comes with believing in yourself and the value of your actions), but as many times as I asked Abers for examples of success by using the simple path of least resistance or "reach for the next best feeling thought," I've never seen one in years of writing as a skeptic.

        In the end, the truth is, people who follow these so-called teachings either lack self-confidence or a real love for life and all that being involved requires. Life's great. Why wouldn't you jump right in and do your best?

        Thanks for your comment.

      • college student 2 years ago

        I came across Abe in my first year and bought the whole thing , thank the lord I snapped out of it before buying 100 recordings ,10 books and other enlightened merchandise lmfao to feel better ,which according to them is the only reason humans come forth into this world . Feel good no matter what ,even if you have to skip class or fail or quit your job just feel good ...wha?!?! I thankfully did not register for the forum but many college students would start topics asking what Abraham would do if they didn’t want to go to class and the responses were " don't go of it doesn't feel good" "too much resistance ,take a nap" etc etc obviously I felt bad for these kids because they would fail or drop out eventually and ruin their lives :/ I wish more people read such posts and understand they are wasting their time and nothing in life comes without work NOTHING ,so Abers get off your ass and work hard for those millions .

      • David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

        Brenda, you are welcome to respond at any time, but please try to respond to the content. A religious declaration has nothing to do with the facts listed. If you have actual evidence or a cause to believe something is inaccurate or wrongly interpreted, please say so in detail.

      • Brenda 2 years ago

        Well... we are all FREE to belief what we will.... I am happy you found your place to NOT believe Abraham... but remember....her words DO NOT teach.... but when what she says.... about practicing Vibration and then literally SEEING THE EVIDENCE APPREAR IN MY LIFE.... THEN that is very real for me....!!!!

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          David Stone 3 months ago from New York City

          You are in rough shape, kiddo. Get help. This rant in no way reflects the teachings of Abraham.

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          James Clinton 3 months ago from Washington, D.C.

          I'm so glad I found this blog. To Gaile Gamble who posted about Abraham/Esther's response to the election.

          a big THANK YOU! OMFG. I also started putting two and two together and got red states. I had recently heard via my husband (more on this later in my comment) that Abraham/Esther feels that some of the republican's financial policies are helpful. WTF? History has shown us that all republican economic policies are a disaster and it has taken a Democrat to clean them up.

          I started listening to AH back in June. Initially I bought the whole thing hook, line and sinker. My husband certainly has. I'm very much a critical thinker and am very analytical. So. I'm not buying it anymore. Just like I never fell for the religion/christianity crap. I've analyzed the teachings, words, meditations, etc.

          Something started to not ring true about all of this.

          It's the financial crap that she says. of course she can say the things she says about making money. Jerry was loaded already from being a financial advisor. But the thing that made me start to wonder if this was all a ruse was finding out that Jerry spent time in the circus. Hmm! I started to wonder if this was all just a parlor trick/circus act, just like mediums.

          I'm going to a AH workshop in April. I would love to figure out a way to trip her up and expose her. My husband is in this deep. While we haven't spent a great deal of money on the recordings or books (everything is on Youtube), i'm a little concerned that he's going to want to start going to all the seminars. He's spoken of such. I inherited some money from my mother that i'm trying to save it.

          It was also the relationship mediation that made me start to wonder about this. The meditation says that if you look for characteristics that aren't there, they will show up 'it is law'. I was looking for such in my husband , since June last year. No such characteristics have shown up. I've also noticed some contraindicative behavior in him that dont gel with the teachings. He has the tendency to fall for this crap. He was a big follower of Bashar and then Kryon, etc. I want my old husband back. I really think he doesn't see the cult nature of all of this.

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          David Stone 5 months ago from New York City

          Party on, Ted. You seem to be having a lot of fun.

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          Ted 5 months ago

          Science has proven telepathy is real. Abraham is subject to the errors all humans can make because according to Abraham they are a collection of people that lived before us. True / False? OK... Are all messages from others always accurate? So, be responcible for what you think and believe. If you like it.... Great! If you don't... Stay away. It seems to me life is like a self fulfilling prophecy.... What you believe about yourself becomes your personal truth . Not always.... And not always right away no matter how quickly we want it manifested. However, sometimes things, events, or people come into our lives at the right time. Is Abrahams teachings the right path for you? Only you know the answer to that. I also think certain people have abilities others don't have. So... Be vigilant in who you listen to because it can have good or bad consequences... Just like anybody else you listen too. I happen to like Abraham for the clarity it gives me as I explore how to best manage my life.

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          David Stone 6 months ago from New York City

          I couldn't agree with you more.

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          Lily 6 months ago

          How about letting me read the article for more than 2 seconds before your extremely ANNOYING "Rate this article" popup covers it and doesn't allow me to see the whole thing!! IDIOTS! I give YOU a rating of -1,000!

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          Gaile Gamble 6 months ago

          Steve Grandinetti hit the nail on the head for me. I have been following Abraham-Hicks regularly for about ten years and attended one workshop a couple of years ago. I had felt that much of it made sense UNTIL the recent UTube presentation where Abraham is asked about the election. Instantly I felt that infinite wisdom would not have responded with the nonsensical answer that it didn't matter either way, that neither candidate would have any effect on our lives, and that it was the "best election ever". I know Esther and Jerry had lived in red states for years and it occurred to me that she might be projecting her philosophy. Whatever the case, I'm finished. I'll go back to my affirmations from The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale, which I used for years and felt much better: "I know I am always guided, directed and protected by a Divine Power. I know I will always take the right turn in the road. And I know that God will always make a way where there is no way. "

          My life was going very well during that time. And I didn't constantly feel like a failure because I hadn't created the fortune I desired. I got jobs, traveled, "accidentally" found my perfect partner (and I wasn't even looking for anyone at the time). And we are still together 44 yrs. later. And we both agree that this has been the most terrifying election we have ever experienced!!! One could say perhaps Abraham needs more information about politics in the USA, as well as the candidates and their respectivc parties. Or one could just recognize that the repetitious and insulting answers are definitely not coming from "infinite wisdom". That makes more sense to me.

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          David Stone 6 months ago from New York City

          I hope you bounce back quickly.

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          Daniel 6 months ago

          I used to listen to Abraham on youtube everyday, now I wish I had not, it took me several month to undo the damages, this lady is so self obsessed and stupidly insist that you go sit at home and just listen to her Vortex bullshit and miraculously you get what you want... It completely ruined my life, I lost my job, I ran out of cash, could not find a job for almost a year and bank wants to take over my house, every disaster you could imagine came into my life. Abraham Hicks is so full of shit... and her opinions are far from truth in any sense!

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          David Stone 7 months ago from New York City

          I understand.

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          Steve Grandinetti 7 months ago

          So happy to have found this page. I so agree that love, compassion are the highest wisdom. Unfortunately it seems as we try to find alternatives to the ol' time religions we keep getting caught in the same web of manipulative people using previous ideas to make themselves a fortune, while sincere people looking for answers fall for the bs. All I know is that every time I watch Esther Hicks something feels off and my intuition tells me there is something very off. That is how I found this page, because I knew I wasn't the only one who sees through the facade. And while she, ooops "they" are now telling us that this election has no effect on our lives, which fits into this cold uncaring attitude, I cannot watch anymore.

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          David Stone 7 months ago from New York City

          Too deep for me,

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          n/a 7 months ago

          Abraham is amazing?

          your a joke.

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          David Stone 9 months ago from New York City

          That's not accurate. Many people feel regret over leaving loved ones who depended on them behind. It's a mixed blessing. Yes, they usually, although far from always, say that the afterlife is filled with joy. That's different from saying they were delighted to leave children, beloved pets and other loved ones behind. What sort of spirit would be that self-absorbed? Other than Esther, I mean.

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          nik 9 months ago

          Anyone who as claimed to have a near death experience say that all they felt was love, a love so deep that it was hard to put in words. I read up until you wrote that, then I rolled my eyes and thought to myself....negative nancy!

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          daniel 9 months ago

          Abraham hicks, is a thief, a scam! I have used the "law of attraction" for ages. And I can tell that all she says, are copy pastes from great authors such as "William Walker Atkinson", "Maxwell Maltz" and "Neville Goddard" some of these Authors wrote their books a century ago... she claim to have the power of channeling and impersonate herself as infinite intelligence, while most of the time when she is asked questions, her replies are just bullshit!

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          sophia11 9 months ago

          I could be commenting on an old post here - Channeling is tricky business - You must research the information given. Entities that come through channelers could be of lower vibration often give; feel good, vague and repetitive recycled, re-phrased information - they are often funny. They give off the 'fun' vibe - full of humour, loaded with analogies. If you get this from any channeled entity KNOW they are from a lower vibration realm/state. Channelers are often deceived by these entities themselves and may not know it. at some stage things should present themselves weird, strange or just don't add up - some channelers may overlook these events and continue for what ever reason. (they should not, unfortunately some continue). How do you know if the entities coming through is high vibration? The Channeler themselves must be live a life reflective of the teaching. You already know (inner knowing) what love and its qualities look and feel like - your knowing must resonate the information channeled. Information must be clear and concise - in cases where certain information could not be given (usually due to timing) the entities will simply let you know - "that information cannot be given at this time" Lower vibrational entities will answer anything, but will beat around the bush with long explanations and never really answer your question. Why beat around the bush? 1. they're having fun wasting you time and they find the look on your faces irresistible. 2. they don't have authority to give certain information. You should know LOA is not a big deal - all it does it makes you super aware of whatever you're focus on and you will always see it - NEVER own it. I hope this help some of you seeking the truth. If its wealth you're seeking - remember the physical law as well. Just because something is speaking through someone does NOT mean they are of higher anything nor do they have to speak hate to be of lower anything. Deception come in many tones.

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          David Stone 11 months ago from New York City

          Yes, Esther Hicks offering insight into the Biblical history and bending it to fit her pitch is close to hilarious from a distance. Up close, it's depressing. I've seen worse from her, but this is a good example.

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          Terry 11 months ago

          I was getting hooked on these free lessons, until one comment from Abraham brought me back to my senses.

          Someone in the audience had wanted to know about the crucifixion of Jesus. Abraham/Esther's response was that Jesus had many lessons to teach us, but that he "Dropped the Ball" when he got out of the vortex, and this resulted in the crucifixion.

          Comments please.

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          Maureen 12 months ago

          I've been a listener and reader of Abraham Hicks a couple of different times over the years, in addition to many other people and their teachings.

          I also read "The Secret" when it first came out. I was left feeling awful after reading it, as though all that mattered in this world were material items and cash. I also came away with this terrible feeling that this book could do more harm than good with people engaging in a lot of self-loathing over their lives and inability to materialize outrageous wealth. I quickly followed reading "The Secret" with another book called "Beyond The Secret" by Lisa Love, which made me feel better.

          Over the years, I have taken all of that information and processed it, along with other teachings, my own life experiences, and the observations I make of others. And giving something another listen after you've grown and changed can make a difference, too.

          Essentially, what I get now from the teachings of Abraham is, we have to be aligned within ourselves (with the Source, God, or whatever name you like), because in this alignment, we have access to inspiration and guidance for our actions.

          In this alignment, we feel good. In this alignment, we stop looking outside, even to Abraham or any other teachers. We use that internal feeling guidance to assess what is before us and 3what we should do next.

          As for empathy, certain responses Abraham has given seem to lack empathy. But, I get the underlying message. The message is, we cannot align another or manage their alignment for them. If they are suffering, we can encourage them/remind them of their alignment. But really, that is all.

          This is perhaps a different take on not being able to change another person, only yourself.

          I did not see the session about the mother of the child who kicked the cat. I struggle to understand why the mother is even asking the question. Get the animal away from that gawddamn kid. We can preserve our children's connections without letting them run roughshod over other people and animals.

          As for suffering, I think we are coming to a clearer understanding of how we bring it to ourselves. Look at currently accepted wisdom that stress indeed is the precursor to disease. Many people don't want to believe this because they don't want to change their own lives.

          Further, this was not conventional wisdom not all that long ago.

          Talk about being simplistic: It is much easier to absolve yourself of all responsibility for your crummy life, blame other people, and be a victim than it is to take responsibility and get yourself aligned by understanding the power of positive emotion, energy, and your own innate power.

          Abraham Hicks didn't say it was easy. And it's not. Abraham Hicks said you have to get yourself right if you want your world to go right. Essentially, your life is going to go a lot better if you emit loving, happy, positively expectant vibes than unhappy, miserable, and a complete blindness to the ability to change vibes.

          It's really about changing a set point. That's why it's so hard at first. It's changing habits of thought and feeling.

          It is when people start the progress and a mansion fails to fall out of the sky within a week that gets them. That's their own deal. No one said that will happen.

          Abraham Hicks even says, don't expect everything you want instantly. Expect it incrementally. She also says in the beginning, expect only to feel good. And, honestly, in many people's lives, getting there is miraculous, as steeped in blame, victimhood, and negativity as we are.

          Abraham Hicks cannot make anything happen for anyone. It's guidance. That is all. As for contradictions, there are many facets to every issue. In this case this, in that case that. Even aside from Abraham Hicks, the same issue in a different situation may require a different approach, one that seems contradictory to a previous situation.

          Also, I often think it's funny how many people dismiss such messages like Abraham's so utterly, but believe without question, the veracity of modern medicine. For example, there is no test to objectively diagnose depression or bipolar disorder, to name two. But we accept those diagnoses as real, then take medicine that experts currently have no understanding for exactly how it works. But, down the hatch it goes, and to an alarming degree in the U.S.

          Additionally, medical research is rife with financial conflict, if you want to discuss conflict. Funders for many studies are companies/organizations who have interests in those studies producing certain results. Moreover, the FDA has palms that need to be greased to get those approvals through.

          As for people using the teachings of Abraham to commit treachery unto others, like the husband leaving the wife and two small children for someone else because he feels more "aligned". Maybe he does. Maybe it's an excuse for an affair. But either way, he is doing that, not Abraham.

          Finally, we have to arrive at our own answers. As to the goal of happiness, first we have to be willing to give up unhappiness. That may mean giving up whole identities we've built up around being victims of something negative. Look for examples of people who've overcome some horrendous suffering by learning to gain dominion over the negative thoughts and feelings. It's not easy, but if you listen to one of these people speak, you see how they replaced the negativity with positivity. That is, in essence, what Abraham teaches. Esther Hicks makes money from it. So what?

          There is plenty on youtube free of charge for people, so the teachings can be accessed for nothing at all. I bought one of their books for my Kindle for under $8.00.

          All of these high profile people attract people who become mindless cult types. That is them. I see nothing in the many, many videos I've watched to indicate mind control. There are people in this world who will pick up and become devotees to anything. Take the current craze in adult coloring. So many getting on the bandwagon. It just appears stupid to me. But then, I never stopped coloring, so I guess my life simply syncs with the trend. Anyway, people wear this stuff, any stuff, not just spirituality or Abraham, but even loving bacon, like a cloak. See me? I'm joining with what's popular. I;m hip. That's why we, as humans, serve advertisers so well.

          So being who we are, being able to listen and agree or disagree based on what we feel about it inside, is the key. Not what other people have to say or how popular it is, but how it hits us.

          Finally, I love forums like these because they're about ideas, critical thinking, and deciding what's right for your life--what resonates as truth for you. We all know the feeling, that panging intuition that is the best bullshit detector I know. If it's telling you that Abraham is not truth at all for you, then go with that. If it tells me that the teachings of Abraham are truth for you, then go with that. I can leave you to your truth and live my own, respectfully.

          Your forum here allows people to bounce their beliefs off others. No one should ever shut down, listen or read only one person, get defensive, or call someone stupid for believing or not believing their premises. Well, pretty much as Abraham say, it is the contrast that helps us grow.

          In the interest of complete disclosure, I have a personal development website called youincredibleyou.com. It contains blogs about my own experiences, my own truth--the only one I have--techniques I've used to help me feel better, and a daily message I send out to subscribers, free of charge.

          I encourage the exposure to many teaching and especially to those that vehemently disagree with what you hold as truth. You have to sift, sort, and make it your own....or not. But standing in the midst of utter disagreement helps that process along.

          Thank you.

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          Deesdeeds 14 months ago

          I respect your opinion here.

          I must say that I have applied the teachings for Abraham to my life and the results have been amazing.

          In reference to Jerry's cancer treatment, although Esther is the channeller of Abraham it does not mean that she or Jerry would not react to life contrast as any regular human would and select cancer treatment as the option of least resistance.

          I believe they have provided value to many people's lives and that is what truly matters.

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          David Stone 18 months ago from New York City

          An interesting summary of your experience. Thank you, Danielle.

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          Danielle 18 months ago

          I came into listening to "Abraham"/Jerry/Esther Hicks in the past several weeks after it being suggested I give it a listen. I was even forwarned that it would be "a little off-kilter"but the bulkof what they say is good information. I won't lie, many of the talks I listened to on YouTube were funny, but I found it very difficult to keep up with Abraham's rants, intended to "inspire" you, as he/she rambled them off SO quickly.

          After listening to several of these 15min quips, I decided to download the "The Law of Attraction" audiobook. I mean, hell, Oprah did the satellite radio interview for 2 shows....so why not. Today, I turned it on in my headphones, and to my surprise, its from 1989. Ok...well, lets kee going...then I realized, the story is VERBATIM of what she told to Oprah. Like, script exact. Ok, wait. Let's be fair, lot's of celebrities use scripts to answer questions in interviews so as to not be blind-sighted...BUT, here's what got me and INSTANTLY made me skeptical. In all the recent recordings, and in Oprah's interview Esther and Abraham sound one-and-the-same, the only difference being Abraham speaking a little faster and with a little more ego. Now, if you listen to that 1989 recording...Abrahama has a VERY distinctive accent. VERY clear. I thought, meh anomaly. Maybe she hadnt learned to control him so easily an speak in her voice, her accent and not his...nope. I found other recordings, and in several there is an accent, but its inconsistent every time and eventually, there is no accent at all. Now, answer me that one....

          Regardless, she and Jerry dida brilliant job marketing The Law of Attraction and getting that knowledge out to the public. And maybe Esther did have a connection at one point, and lost it. Real psychics will tell you, and mediums as well, that it's not like a machine.They cant just "turn it on". Information comes when it comes. Sometimes when someone is there with them, sometimes not. sometimes they have to reach out and contact them, like an answering machine asking them to get back to them. But, the accent thing really turned me off and made it feel like it was all a performance, a holier-than-thou performance.

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          David Stone 22 months ago from New York City

          Feel free to quote at will. Good luck with your blog.

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          Kate North 23 months ago

          Hello David, is there a way I can get in touch with you? My email is k.north411@gmail.com and my new blog is responsiblespirituality.wordpress.com (feel free to remove that from this comment). I would like to join the bloggers who are looking critically at Abraham-Hicks, and occasionally I might like to quote your words and link to your articles if this would be OK. My perspective may be a bit different from yours, but we both stand for critical thinking.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          It puzzles me that she still sells, although much less than before.

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          Awake 2 years ago

          Esther continuously contradicts herself. I suppose that's why she enjoys using that word to favor her agenda.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Doyle, you make the common error of personalizing your criticism. You insight into "which type of person" I am is meaningless when, as is true with virtually every A-H defender who comments here, you cite not one example to back up your claim that I take what Esther Hicks has preached "wildly out of context." You didn't because you can't. I've quoted directly from the list of quotes Abraham Hicks Publications distributes in email blast daily. Are they out of context too.

          Your trouble, I sense, is that posing what Esther pitches against reality makes her look shallow, cold and thuddingly dull. Rather than make your case, you claim "out of context" and condemn the messenger. It's an old story, tried a hundred times in the years I've been writing about this cult.

          Let me give you and example of the duplicity. Jerry Hicks died in November, 2011, after a year long battle with leukemia. His experience puts the lie to a core "teaching" from the alleged spirit guides "Abraham." How does Esther Hicks and her team deal with the contradiction? Just as they did when Jerry's promise to bounce right back to his old self, following Abraham's guidance, failed. They are in denial. If you take the time to check the bios on their website, they claim Jerry is still alive, more than three years after his death, with more bounce in his step than men half his age. Really? The site also claims he and Esther are still free spirits driving around the country in their "monster bus." Time to renew Jerry's driver's license, maybe.

          Finally, you claim that Esther teaches "that all modalities can be useful if they raise our vibration/energy..." First, she says no such thing about energy. You made that up to fit your argument. As far as "our vibration" goes, I'm still waiting for anyone to define what that is. I realize it's meant to imply a connection to quantum physics, but even there, no vibration is personal and is nothing more than potential material. This is an example of the nonsense Esther preaches and followers are expected to swallow. It goes down best without thinking.

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          David Stone 1 2 years ago

          I allow the David Stone copy "David Stone 1" to express David Stone's ideas about Abe and Esther.

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          Doyle Scott 2 years ago

          I just spent several hours reading many of the comments here. I happen to be a big fan of Abe Hicks & credit many of my successes to their teachings. There are so many things that have been taken wildly out of context by David, that it just makes me laugh. Very much like the cafeteria Christians I know who take one or two verses out the Bible and conveniently discard the rest. I don't think I've ever blindly followed any philosophy or spiritual tradition but I have willingly listened to many . All I have done is applied spiritual concepts to my life & looked for evidence of whether they work or not. Some of the results, from applying the Abe stuff, have often left me breathless. I am my own evidence & seldom rely on other people's approval or disapproval of said concepts. I guess there will always be two sides to every coin...David sees a lack of compassion yet I see an incredible amount of compassion in what Abe teaches. Some say that Abe suggests there is no need for modern medicine but the consistent message from Abe is that all modalities can be useful if they raise our vibration/energy from where it was. I long ago discovered that there are 2 types of people in the world, those that like to build people up & those that like to tear people down. I didn't have to read many of David's comments to determine which type of person he is.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          Right on, Francie. I agree with you completely. Thanks for commenting.

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          Francie S 2 years ago

          I read/listened to some of Hicks stuff. Which is fine if you listen in moderation like anything else. I would listen at the gym do the whole feel good vortex thing. Come out and then later in the day, I'd find myself to be a bit agitated. My issue with her teaching is that I live here on earth with humans. Every human is different and if I followed what she taught, I'd have to live in some alter world. I'm trying to live here on earth. This is the life and form that God gave me. What I needed to do to get the answers that I needed was turn to God. I don't care what God you believe in, God will answer you when you need help. Do good, be good. If Esther was able to give me the answers that I needed then why would I have to turn to God. One day I laid it all out to God and I said you gave me this life and it's important that I do good and be good, but this what I want in life. You have to help me with the truth for this particular situation. Now, God knows my intent/goals and I follow the guidance accordingly.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          @lynnasafriend: If Jesus is coming, it will be surprise to most of the planet.

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          lynnasafriend 2 years ago

          Look in the Holy Bible (King James Bible) Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.I see the word sorcerers, and I think people like this also look to familiar spirits, (those are ghosts or what they think are ghosts) familiar spirits are demons who are not the person they come as, they come as something a person is familiar with so they don't show their true self or they would have a heart attack seeing the demon that is actually being channeled. 2 Chronicles 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.Jesus is coming quickly, we should be ready.

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          hamguin 2 years ago

          @David Stone1: Dave, you win.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          @hamguin: So, you don't mind being conned. You're obviously very enlightened, and it's easy to understand why facts would not be helpful to you. You live in a reality that doesn't need them.

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          hamguin 2 years ago

          I have no idea if the process she describes is what she actually experiences. In fact, I don't care. I have not given the Abraham-Hicks business a dime, while I have enjoyed watching YouTube videos of their sessions. In other words, I find it both entertaining and, in some small ways, enlightening. I don't hear what she says as some absolute truth (not sure there is such a thing) and simply take what resonates with me and leave the rest.As far as all of the energy you have put into this lens, I hope you have enjoyed creating it. It didn't prove helpful to me, but that's just me.

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          David Stone 2 years ago from New York City

          @pigal: Thanks, pigal, for your entertaining, insightful comment.

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          pigal 2 years ago

          I came across this woman two years ago. I found some of what she said inspiring..then came the realization that this 'Abraham' was a collection of someone she was channeling through. Ok. Game over. I listened far more closely. This is what they do when it does not work. Blame it on the wannabeliever. If something is a law of the universe, then it does not work or work based on whether I believe it or not.There is the Law of Gestation, the Law of Transmutation (which are the Law of Attraction) The Law of Polarity, the Law of Rythym, The Law of Cause and Effect, the Law of Polarity, in all 7 natural laws of the Universe. I do not have to vibrate or nose dive into some swirling vortex. These laws work, whether I believe in them or not. So, do not insult my intelligence by telling me I am not manifesting because I am not vibrating, or I am not in the vortex. These fast talkers always have a justification why their road to self-improvement does not work and to me, that says 'fraud'. Who needs Abraham and Esther posing as Jesus, God et al. Whether or not one is religious or believes in Jesus, read his teachings in the Bible. This is a 2000 year-old-messaged glossed up for MONEY! It's all about BELIEF. Successful people never doubt themselves, ever. They believe in themselves, all the time. They fail and keep on going. Richard Branson of Virgin failed at many businesses, but he never gave up, so did Abraham Lincoln who filed for bankruptcy 6 times and lost every political office initially, but he never gave up. Heinz of Heinz ketchup failed, Ford of Ford motor car failed, Walt Disney failed, he too filed for bankruptcy. They believed and never gave up. The message is so simple, really. Jesus said that as a man believes so will he be. If he has faith enough, he can move the mountain. We lack faith in ourselves and we search for it in these quacks. Many of these 'followers' would not think of reading the teachings of Jesus, rather just drop money in this sock puppet's lap and believe her 'Abraham'. The woman is a fraud and so is Abraham. There is no vortex - but wait, that is a great hook, is it not?You want to be rich? Write some nonsense about talking to God or some law. As long as people believe in alien abduction, Big Foot and the Lochness Monster, these frauds will become richer.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @opheliadelafuente: If you never receive solicitations, what do you call those workshop announcements that accompany every daily quote? If you weren't a plant, you'd know that. This comment echoes numerous others people have been asked to write.Have you ever noticed that you are not charged for watching television commercials? A-H YouTube channel is the same thing, carefully edited to pitch Esther in her best light and live out the "problems." That's why they're so aggressive about not letting anyone post videos not authorized by A-H. If it's all freely given, what's the diff? It's about controlling the image and the message, Marketing 101.Nice try, and by the way, my beeswax is what I decide it is, not you.

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          opheliadelafuente 3 years ago

          A lot of people seem to be caught up in the money-making aspect of this, implying that Esther Hicks is some kind of selfish, money-grubbing charlatan. However you are all missing one very important fact. Of course she does make money off of the whole Abraham thing. However, ALL of the information you need to follow this path is absolutely FREE. You Tube videos abound. There are countless excerpts on the website. I signed up to get a quote from them in my email every day. And I NEVER receive solicitations. A few times a year I get an email announcing when they do the cruise or go on tour. That's it. You can buy books if you want to. You can pay to see her live if you want to. But unlike many, many other self-described "spiritual gurus", NONE of that is necessary in order to access this information. To me, that really says something. Also, for the record, if you don't believe her - the don't listen. Don't watch her videos, don't read about her, and respect the right of other people to believe something different from you. It's no skin off your nose. So mind your own beeswax :)

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @tamara-llenadefe: Hay House has been very successful with their books. Some are good, and some are dreadful. The problem is, if what they were selling five years ago was so good, why do they need to sell some new guru this year? They don't seem to exercise enough discernment in whose claims they publish. And, by the way, I bought into an offer from them about six years ago and ended up with one of the stupidest books I ever got stuck with. Once burned, I didn't go on to get scarred.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @tamara-llenadefe: A lot of people have stories like yours. When people get hooked on magical beliefs, they would sometimes rather point fingers at others than learn and grow. It's not that there isn't something about what Esther Hicks calls the "law of attraction," it's that she sells it like soda pop, too easy and too good to be true. Nothing in the universe goes on in isolation.

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          tamara-llenadefe 3 years ago

          @grannysage: I agree with you, I always receive promotional a emails to sell me videos of chopra and dyer, the last from dyer I felt like it was a shopping channel trying to sell me a material item, it is so sad

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          tamara-llenadefe 3 years ago

          I agree with you Dave there are better authors for spiritual grow, I knew a woman who had an obsession with Abraham and law of attraction, I always told her to be more critical and rational, she even went into living in a flat that she couldn't even afford and booked flights to go to her home land even though she had problem with an application to become a national of the country she is living in, I told her that was risky to buy the tickets but she was so involved in the law of attraction that she thought by concentrating she was going to be able to go and visit her family, I didn't say more, one day I called her and her husband told me the docs arrived but she had not been given the nationality and I didn't ask more, her husband said she was still going and I thought that is a bit risky, few days before the date she had told me she was going, I called her to wish a good trip, she said she wasn't going and I said I was sorry, few days later I received a text from her saying that how it was possible that she had opened her heart about her feelings and that I was laughing at her because she couldn't go to visit her family, I was very upset because that was stupid to say that childish thing, but then I understood why she was able to follow Esther hicks, I think you have to be very childish to follow that.PS my friendship with this woman ended .

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @sandyblue5: sandyblue5, your rationalizations are the most perfect example magical, cult thinking I have ever seen. Nature has given us the gift of critical thought, discernment and decisions about values. The best thing we can do is use that gift, not squander it on empty fantasies.

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          sandyblue5 3 years ago

          I think every human being has a choice about what he thinks or chooses to think,that is a God-given gift. In the same way whatever you choose to believe is true according to your personal perception and therefore your reality. Esther thinks Abraham is real,so be it. You think it's all fake so let it be. I believe life is better when you choose to think happy thoughts, Abraham's teachings or not, and that is good enough for me and I believe for all human kind. After all we all just want the feelings brought about by the fulfillment of our desires or the final emotional satisfaction of it, so why not just skip to the end if you can?

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          grannysage 3 years ago

          I must say that I am troubled by people who make money by selling spiritual truths. That includes Dyer and Chopra, although I use their quotes a lot. Peace Pilgrim said that spiritual truth should never be sold and refused to take any money for it. And her teachings are every bit as valid as other spiritual gurus of the age. I have a dear friend who had an NDE and now is channeling. She wrote a book about it and charges more than I could afford, although I bought it because she was a friend. She also charges a lot for channeling sessions because her spirit guides told her to. My guess is that people feel they haven't received something of value unless they pay for it. I am becoming more attracted to ancient teachings such as Lao Tzu which can be found for free. But even Dyer is taking those teachings and rehashing them into his own products. At least he presents his materials on PBS. My own belief is that everything is perfect, even though on the surface it seems insane. I do believe that souls decide to be born with challenges to face because it is all about experiencing life in its many variations. Instead of worrying about whether other teachers are real or not, I find more peace from working on my own level of awareness.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @rayray01: Thanks, rayray01, I couldn't agree with you more.

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          rayray01 3 years ago

          I really appreciate your clear commitment to this. I like that you seem to have tried to stay as factual and as least-political as possible. I definitely think it is important to discuss these ideas - particularly for those people who are or have been swept up and dropped dry. I think there are hard working, intelligent people, who have found that this isn't working for them, and that's an important realisation to get to. I think your article offers some acknowledgement to the intense frustration (and pain?) of disillusionment. On the other hand, I also think that A-H have offered a lot of hope into a lot of people's lives. Swapping to the other hand again tho - I also think that their message has been misinterpreted to create an environment of "blame the victim" which is a very dangerous state to be in... and no help to humanity either. "oh you're starving? it's your fault - you attracted it" -- I'm not saying that A-H said or implied this, I'm saying that this is how it is interpreted. Which is a shame. On the other hand - I also like the merging of religious figureheads to demystify their "exclusivity" to one religion... Anyway. Thank you for your time and effort. I also really valued your offering of possible alternatives. Very valuable. Kind regards, and with love

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @rubenharo2014: I couldnt understand your question. Read more like a speech to me.

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          rubenharo2014 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: YOU HAVE NO ANSWER THEN? I thought so.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @rubenharo2014: Good luck to you in dealing with all that.

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          rubenharo2014 3 years ago

          I am so glad I can insert my opinion, and I congratulate you on exposing your thoughts. It is coincidental that at this point in my distress and anguish I should find your insight, which nonetheless, brings down all my hopes and dreams about finding a new and satisfying way to live and achieve everything my heart ever desired since I am in this present moment, in an economic, emotional and spiritual demise. That is how the Universe works , I guess?. I am not resentful. I just grief.One other thing I add to my own list of A-H. rebukes, is my most serious doubt about a so called Infinite Intelligence, compassionate and most auspicious to the myriad of its extensions. IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PAIN AND GRIEVING. It seems to me the Universe should work on an amendment to its Laws. I remember a verse in the Old Testament "...In my distress I cried to the Lord, and He heard me, and He released me from all bondage." A.-Hicks seems to interpret God as saying "I do not need your pain, butt off!". Everything you say makes sense. And at one point or another I was prey to some of those thoughts. However, I figure it was my own materialistic outlook that promoted my vision of a new and brightly lit path into an enlightning new life and threreafter. Here is my plea to you: I am interested in finding out what in all the conglamorate of your consciousnes you do find resonance with in all the Hicks stuff (not meaning offense at all), so a can find relief and belief.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @ronalds4percent: More interesting speculation than I usually see here. Enthusiasm is always a good thing. But there are a couple of points you make that are not quite accurate.First, there is no "overall decline in well-being." That's a fantasy promoted to advance a cause. People's health is better than any time in history. There's less crime, fewer wars and life expectancy is increasing everywhere. There is no evidence anywhere for such a decline. It's cliché nonsense, convincing only to generations who've been hook on television and movies.The premise that "you gotta make a choice: either you're a believer or a 'knower'" is an empty slogan. With our explorers in every field of science and discovery only beginning to penetrate what there is ultimately to learn and skeptical about whether we will ever really have the tools to see it all, no one has such a choice. We're far from any such black and white decisions. We're still muddling along on the borders of discovery with much more to come.

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          ronalds4percent 3 years ago

          Perhaps a few things to consider. For most people, an objective fact means something 'scientifically proven'. However, how would you feel if somebody claimed to have any authority regarding a subject they admittedly can only investigate, test, experiment, etc. 4 percent of? This is exactly what science is doing: studying 4% of 'reality, while ignoring the remaining 96%, which they know has to be 'out there'. Until further notice, they'll give it some meaningless names ('dark energy' and 'dark matter') and get on with their agendas. Furthermore, a great deal of the measly stuff they can test and experiment with, shows such irrational behavior, it forces them to make up the most fantastic theories about it (string theory, parallel worlds theory, etc.) - if it wasn't for science' stamp on them, these theories would be regarded as 'science fiction' :-)This would be a comical situation, were it not that, for instance, the medical world rests on the findings of this same science, although it means that the mechanistic way they're regarding and treating the human body is actually based on very limited knowledge. The argument that science is so successful in the realm of technological development is a valid one, but only regarding the visible/measurable part of reality. Treating humans (and other animals) like machines would be fine, IF that's what they really are. The existence of phenomena like the 'placebo' and 'nocebo' effect, spontaneous remission, etc. should, instead of making scientists shake their heads (and pharmaceutical giants grind their teeth), open the way to completely new views on the origin of 'dis-ease', but it doesn't. Treating symptoms is a very lucrative business... Neither the mind boggling findings of quantum physics, the absence of any knowledge regarding 96% of 'reality' and these strange 'medical' phenomena don't seem to shake people's believe in science and their adherents, mostly because almost nobody takes the trouble (nor has the time) to look into this matter (no pun intended) by themselves - and so the consequences of a world ruled by ignorance and greed (increasing decline of health, wealth, let's call it the decline of 'overall well being') remain intact.Regarding Esther Hicks, I do enjoy her work and find it at least a bit strange that, for the reasons stated above, anyone who's taken the time and effort to 'study life' would find the essence of what she has to say cumbersome. This world might very well be govern by 'believes', and me, for one, would rather overestimate the importance of 'matters of the heart', than of the 'mind' (for as far as it's limited to my brain, anyway). After looking at the 'evidence', which shows how little we (can) know, I can only assume that maybe it's all about deciding which pill you wanna take: the red one or the blue one (I hope you all watched 'The Matrix' :-) Simply put, you gotta make a choice: either you're a believer or a 'knower' - you take full responsibility for your own life (for starters) or not.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          Hi there,Thank you for your thoughts. Here are some of mine, I hope they are slightly interesting or at least helpful to somebody. I am quite young, and on a spiritual journey, and I stumbled across the Hick's teachings a few years back. I began this last year to have a warning in my heart and in my head that they were "culty", and being so young, and without much experience to base my new experiences off of, I sometimes get sucked into charismatic speakers. Thank you for your voice of doubt: it has confirmed my own interpretations. Although some of her ideas (if they were hers at all) have been helpful in my life in real ways, I will say that you make an excellent point at considering where her agenda lies and how creepy some of her assertions truly are.It is, in my opinion (and after reading your post), silly to assume that someone is "all-knowing" or unbiased. Every human being has some kind of motivation for their behavior, and Esther is a human. Although I would like to think that Esther's motivations are pure, and that she is truly trying to help people, I now doubt this. It is just too convenient for her to say she is communicating with other worlds instead of speaking from her own human perspective. This disassociates her from her own humanity and responsibility, which is quite strange to me: why would anyone want to do that if not for some abdication of responsibility for their actions or for the implications of what it is they teach? If people are actually denying medical treatment because of her wacked out opinions, that's not good. They should be denying medical treatment based on their own allergies to the treatment, scientific research... But I digress. Back on point... Some of the most powerful spiritual teachers that I have read, including don Miguel Ruiz, have actually asserted their own humanity in the process, not tried to speak through some other worldly spirit. It is, in my opinion, necessary for spiritual teachings to in some way or another assert their own humanity instead of denying it for the teaching to be relevant at all: we are human beings folks. It is so funny to me that she talks about "resisting what is" when she is actually denying her own humanity and pretending she is from another spiritual world! I'm not out to attack her, but it does make her teachings incredibly inconsistent and therefore unhelpful, which is really all I care about.As a result of my new opinions, I do not doubt spiritual teachings altogether, so thank you for listing some other resources that are of greater depth and are probably more useful. I've enjoyed Tolle and Ruiz, and am excited to read the Dalai Lama, and I will be giving away my one Hick's book I own.Thanks for helping my journey!Sincerely,Lynne

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @David Stone1: I thought I should add that an important takeaway is that, for the reasons stated above and regardless of the presentation, there are important lessons to be learned in what Esther and Jerry borrowed. The burden, though, is in having enough insight to separate the wise from the woefully misleading.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @CCatherineC: CatherineC, I can agree with much of what you've said here. But plagiarism is a trickier deal, requiring a direct repeat, not a simple reordering or reuse of the material in a new or changed context. But there is no question that the basic all came from prior sources. Esther and Jerry's success, I think, came from making it into more of a performance, a staged event that captivated viewers, much as the old traveling preachers in tent shows did. Esther simply does it at Holiday Inns, instead.

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          CCatherineC 3 years ago

          My boyfriend played a video and asked my honest opinion. I watched the Esther to Abraham transition happen in about 15 seconds. I wanted to see the buzzing teeth and all the stuff Jerry saw. What I saw was Esther remained the same. No personality shift, speech pattern changes, or change in mannerisms. I watched this with an open mind. Prior to Abraham making the grand entrance, Jerry stated that they "started making even MORE money." I knew then. Esther was raised as a Bible thumper, hence the name Abraham, directly from the Bible. All of the stuff that spews from Esther's mouth can be found in all of the books written by other people that Jerry was familiar with. She should be sued for plagiarism.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks, Dan. You've pointed out something that has been a problem for others.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: I just came across this site. Been studying the Abraham material. Good point about the medication. Abraham material really gives a negative view on meds. People may think to not take medications. Then think different thoughts. That's really bad advice, especially for people that need to be on medication. If you don't take the med route, you're a bad Aber and that's not a good stance. I agree with some points of the Abraham material. But like you write, there are some flaws. Esther really shouldn't be giving medical advice, especially when Jerry couldn't think his way out of chemo.Dan

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          I love Esther Hicks and everything she has to say about how the universe works. Unimaginative is not a word that describes this deep well-rooted woman. She knows a lot, and I'm prepared to listen to her, even if she likes to pretend; this is a fun trait she possesses. ;-)

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          use what resonates and toss the rest, to each his own...

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Give yourself a calm place, Virginia, where you can quietly contemplate the question, What do writers do?Guess what? They write! And they write what they know about in detail to inform others. This is not "hatin'," Virginia, it's doing the research and reporting the conclusions it points to.I hope you understand this challenging point now. Thanks for asking.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          Dave, you really find the time to write this? Come on, man, get a life and stop hatin' ...

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks, Doc. I do wish people would throw the Abraham Hicks baby out with the bathwater. Esther Hicks never offered anything original in content or even in style. There are much better, original resources that will not be discovered because Esther tosses out the "easy" hook. No effort needed. Just change your vibration. Man, I'd love to have her give an explanation of what that is. Spiritual candy, I think. Food for the spiritually lazy.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          Dave, like your blog a lot and glad that when I type "esther hicks" into my search engine, your blog comes up fairly close to the top. I was intro'd to A-H philosophy in 2006 via some CD audio recordings that were lent to my then-wife by her air-headed bff. Although I find A-H philosophy to be at least as entertaining as watching a sitcom and have found their theories on death to be thought-provoking, I have often wished that someone would require a warning label be placed on some of (if not all) Mrs. Hicks' content. You, sir, are the closest thing there can be to that wish - so, um Thanks. Regarding mental power to heal, I have some advice: It has a long way to go. Potential is there, but for now, I really think that most of us are better off just admitting that when you get a diagnosis of leukemia at age 84 then the universe might be giving you a heads up that your odds of making it to 85 just went down quite a bit! I hope that most people will keep the baby and just throw out the dirty bathwater...meditation, positive thought, hope, and inspiration should garner much more focus in our world. Discovery, scientific method, rationality and skepticism are delicious and fun also! Keep up the good flow everyone. Wishing all readers a long and happy life.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @len-mckee-5: Thanks for the note, len-mckee-5. I took a quick look, but it's all new to me.

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          len-mckee-5 3 years ago

          Abraham's 20 years of lessons on mansionworldteachings.org are not in any way related to Ester Hicks material. His lessons on MansionWorldTeachings are NOT for sale or to be marketed, but free to any person will to make personal correction. The site is still in process of doing the edits.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Brandon, why did you use a different name? The one you used before was much cooler.Anyway, if you can navigate over to my bio page and scroll down to "Scientific Proof, Life After Death," you'll see - probably to your dismay - that I am very well versed in rich spiritual domain to which we all belong. Of course, followers of Esther Hicks have trouble dealing with people who actually do the work and the research to find truths. Swallowing the Abraham Hicks teachings whole is so much easier. You can quit on life and just work on your vibrations. How nice! Sadly, the rest of us have to carry to load you and others like you who are too spiritually lazy and confused to to contribute with. We are adults and proud to be responsible grownups. We do hope you will join us some day. You and we would really be rewarded to see you make the effort to be part of the adult community. Come on, you can grow up, can't you? Give it a try. I promise you won't regret leaving juvenile addictions to magic behind. You've got one life, buddy. Do something great with it.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          People living in boxes will never believe those who are free. It is two polarities, one very fear based and the other very optimistic. These are the same people who deny the existence of spirits or anything non-physical which many believers have experienced, they are not ready to evolve so let them live in their tiny box.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Scylia, this is your last post because it's all just more of the same. If you don't like how an argument is made, that's not my problem. Deal with the issue. Other readers will decide what's true and what's not. (Your defensiveness doesn't help your case, by the way, and neither does your enthusiasm for talking about yourself and your worldview.) You may have noticed that this lens is not about me or you, although you seem to think it is.If you have something new to comment about Esther, etc., you are free to do so to your hearts content, but this is the last volley of the ping pong match over style, not substance. You don't like the world. You've made that clear. So, go spew your venom elsewhere.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: Dave, the belitteling is not in the disagreement or presenting a different point of view - which I don't mind, read previous post - it is in the way how the counter arguments are made, i.e. asking me what planet I live on, 'superior to demonize some easy targets for a crowd that doesn't let thinking interfere with their daily cynicism', 'sour grapes and the same old hatred ' et al. That is what I am referring to. It doesn't sting or rattle me at all, I don't know you from Bob so who cares. But, and I put that in question in another post you won't publish, why the belitteling comments about a person and not just sound argumentation about the subject at hand. I believe that our society is not based on truth, and see much more evidence of it than not. You believe otherwise, seeing lots of good people doing good, I am not asking you on what planet you live, am I? No, I am covering the discussion and I do not assume anything about you that I don't know. FYI, there is no hatred for people here, just bewilderment, and I am certainly not shallow, a fact you'd know if you'd care to investigate (or knew me). I wish I were more shallow, perhaps life would be a heck lot more enjoyable and I could ask somebody how they were and not care about the answer. Shallow, you called my beliefs shallow just because I am of a different opinion! Amazing! Furthermore, your contentment about condemning people with different opinions explains why you don't fall for Esther Hicks. You must condemn her, as you seem to condemn most others who don't agree with your position. And last, I never said I followed Esther Hicks, that you just assumed because I am reading your blog and have an opposing view. But do remember, I commented on the society based on truth bit. Nothing more.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Scylia, you need to expect others to respond as fervently as you do. When someone disagrees with you, that's not belittling you. It's presenting a different point of view. If it stings, you might ask yourself why your beliefs are so easily rattled and not get excited about the fact that they are so shallow anyone can punch holes in them.Your contentment in condemning a world in which you aren't happy and see mostly "rotten apples" explains your falling for Esther Hicks. It would be her or some other life-denying religion. At least Esther makes it easy. All you have to do is vibrate. Nothing to it.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: Thank you for confirming my thoughts about the manner you enter a discussion that I posted in another comment, that you obligingly did not approve for publication. A lot of assumptions about me above: that I fail to recognize the media's stories as rare, that I may feel chipper and superior, sour grapes and I must hate the world et al. Instead of a graceful reply to my statement, I must be made look to be a silly person with a chip on my shoulder? In answer to what planet I live on, it would be earth, last time I checked. As you know full well, and I know full well it's just a figure of speech. I am constantly 'accused' of being naïve when I persist in believing that people are good and will do good. But, contrary to what you say, a lot of them show traits that don't necessarily earn the word truthful. Yes, my family and friends are great, but co-workers come to mind that pick fights for no other reason than jealousy, bosses undermine their co-workers when it suits their own purposes, and then we have the big stories which are not just a few rotten apples, It would be difficult to find a few good apples among them. And it's those people we are asked to trust. No, I don't agree that we live in a society built on trust, never have and maybe never will. Knowing that and still be able to do your thing despite of it (and not get depressed) that means having grown up. To me. B.t.w., I do not watch tv, read newspapers, go to church or any on that. I belong to the cult that is called life, a life in which people can come to their own conclusions, may discuss them but not be belittled for them.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Ally, thanks for including today's freely distribute quote from the Abraham-Hicks operation. Esther's is a robust blame the victim theology. It extends through other implications like victims of crime, war and accidents. Of course, even Esther and Jerry didn't believe this. They just sell it.What makes it extreme is that followers have taken this as medical advice and gotten into serious trouble. No accounting for bacteria, germs or cellular malfunctions - you just aren't thinking and (Ugh!) vibrating correctly. It's your fault. Esther has said this is true even for infants born with disease (AIDS transmitted from the mother's blood, for instance) and children too young to speak. They got the negative thoughts from their parents, she claims.While these beliefs may be just stupid to thinking people, they care also cruel and void of caring for others. What sort of person endorses these things?

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: If there is no source of illness, why are there so many sick people? It is because they have found lots of excuses to hold themselves in vibrational discord with wellness. They are not letting it in. And when they don't let it in, the absence of it looks like sickness. And when enough of them do it you say, "Oh, there must be a source of sickness. In fact, let's give it a label. Let's call it cancer. Let's call it AIDS. Let's call it all kinds of terrible things, and let's imply that it jumps into people's experience." And we say it never jumps into anybody's experience. It's just that people learn through trial and error, and through banging around with each other patterns of thought that don't let it in. ---Abraham Excerpted from the workshop in Buffalo, NY on September 27, 2000 Our Love, Esther (and Abraham and Jerry)Didn't jerry die of cancer? I cannot stand these people/made up people/ whatever

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks, Debra. The negative comments from Abers show how little they know or follow what their guru teaches. It's been an interesting debate, but I do wish that Esther's defenders would come up with better arguments. More often, it's defensiveness and disordered thinking, as if scrambling to put something cohesive together that just isn't.As you suggest, I think we are only beginning to understand what the whole of life, physical and nonphysical, is all about. It's an exciting time where veils are being lifted and chances, like yours, come along to see through a little more. Chasing down that trail to wisdom is as exciting as things can get. And your instincts are right - the answers are not there yet, just tantalizing clues.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @anonymous: Well put! Nice to hear some balance. I love the way you think. We are limited in our knowing and an alarm bell always goes off for me when I hear people say that they know the TRUTH. I have had amazing exchanges with spirit - both spirits close to me and those close to people that are strangers to me yet I would never for a day pretend to "know" what was right for someone else. I see Dave receives so much in the way of negative comments but the positive ones, like yours, are the only ones that provide explanation and common sense. Thanks for the read

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Scylia, I'm not sure what planet you live on, but mine is filled with people who are honest and fair. Just because the news media makes and example of the few bad apples doesn't mean the whole basket is rotten. What the media makes a stink about (and you apparently fall for the worst of it) is news because it's rare. If it were otherwise, just the same old same old, nobody would buy newspapers or sit through monotonous commercials to watch it.It may make you feel chipper and superior to demonize some easy targets for a crowd that doesn't let thinking interfere with their daily cynicism, but you've got it wrong. The vast majority of people, in whatever profession, are just not like that. What you call "a lot of growing up" is no more than sour grapes and the same old hatred toward life that powers cults and religions everywhere. They're all bad, except you - of course.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: You say "It wouldn't matter if she was faking." I say it does. Society is based on people being honest in their dealings and trustworthy in what they deliver.Society is based on... I almost choked when I read this. This is truly what you believe: society is based on people being honest in their dealings and trustworthy in what they deliver? So you've not heard about lying politicians, doctors, pharma, banks, Monsanto, companies that sell goods that are faulty/dangerous etc etc etc etc.......... 'A society based on honesty' what a far cry from the truth and this from a 'truth seeker' such as yourself. And before you say, don't attack the messenger, I am not. I am just pointing out something that you present as truth which it isn't. I had to do a lot of growing up before I realized this. Maybe you should too.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I think, JaqStone, that you have it pretty much right on the mark.Thanks.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          Dave, you clearly put a lot into this page and it seems you've taken a lot of verbal abuse for it. The issue with the whole "self-help" movement is that it is full of promises of an easy way to fix us and our life. The truth is, it's a money machine. Here's a news flash that won't be popular .... the so-called law of attraction does not exist. Life does not flow TO us. It flows THROUGH us. Esther and Jerry heard some nice teachings that sounded good, repackaged them, and passed them on as ultimate truth without ever digging deeper. Yes, thought affects perspective and experience, but what determines the nature of thought? Belief? Yes, but what spawned the belief? Choice. But why did we make the choice to believe something? Perception of experience, but unless you are Jesus or Buddha all human perception is mis-perception because it is incomplete. We simply do not have awareness of everything happening in a given moment and why it is happening. By focusing only on the level of thought and telling people that is where you change your life Esther and Jerry keep people trying to change the effect, not the cause. Some may experience temporary relief but the surface level focus keeps the hamster wheel turning ... and assures future sales.

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Hector, you seem to have missed the point, and no, I have never heard that phrase. It sounds like ridiculous New Agey silliness, though, and I promise I'll forget it right away, now that I have.The point you miss is that the question is not why Jerry didn't follow his teachings to cure himself. First of all, I'm not aware that Jerry has any teachings (although I suspect Abraham was actually Jerry in disguise.) The question is, why, after preaching how easy it is to be cured by changing your "vibration," etc., why didn't Jerry simply avail himself of what his wife has been preaching forever? According to him, he never even tried. You and I both know why. He knew it was baloney and used his head to go to a regular old doctor instead."History is full of teachers that could not benefit from the very things they taught..." Examples? This is hot air."Finally, modern medicine is turning toward the power of the mind on curing the body... again, tons of examples out there, isn't that directly in line with Abrahamsteachings?" Modern medicine is doing no such thing. Biofeedback has been tried for decades with mixed results. Modern medicine is turning, more recently, to increased drug therapies and a better understanding of the microbiome. Modern medicine, like Abraham-Hicks, is overly influenced by greed, just using different instruments to extract cash from the gullible.If there are "tons of examples out there," why not give us a half-dozen or so?There is nothing consistent with the direction of modern medicine and what Esther Hicks preachers. The next time you find a doctor who agrees that, as Esther claims, you can cure any disease almost immediately simply by changing your "vibration," send him or her over. While your at it, how about explaining what your "vibration" is so the rest of us rubes can be clued in to this infinite wisdom.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: Dave... have you ever heard the phrase "We teach best what we most need to learn"... The fact that Jerry could not "cure" himself does not (should not) render his teachings useless. History is full of teachers that could not benefit from the very things they taught (and thought) their entire life and however, that does mean their teachings were useless. Finally, modern medicine is turning toward the power of the mind on curing the body... again, tons of examples out there, isn't that directly in line with Abrahamsteachings?

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: How, exactly, if true, does that relate to the facts shown here?

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          David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It isn't easy, Anonymous (?), to respond to half-cooked thoughts, but I'll try."This really is an incredibly negative, opinionated and unnecessary article..." Beauty isn't the only thing that's in the eye of the beholder, pal. "...most of which is the writer's personal interpretation of the teachings." No, that's not true. They are quotes. Take what you like from them."Money earning or not these teachings saved my marriage and pulled me out of depression and anxiety. " Really? How? Abers often make extravagant claims but never seem to have any evidence."Even IF abraham hicks isn't real, it's fun and different, the teachings are no different to those of other great teachers like Ekhart Tolle, it just has a different and easy to relate to spin." Pretty low standard, isn't it? And Eckhart Tolle is vastly more advanced than Esther and markedly different in philosophy. Tolle, for instance, favors awareness while Esther Hicks supports ignorance. Easy, yes, but that's the problem. Sugar's easy too, but it wrecks your health. Spiritual candy wrecks your soul.Thanks for your heartfelt device. If I figure a way to dumb myself down to that level, I'll let you know.

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          @David Stone1: You are so incredibly rude, how sad

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          anonymous 3 years ago

          This really is an incredibly negative, opinionated and unnecessary article most of which is the writer's personal interpretation of the teachings. Money earning or not these teachings saved my marriage and pulled me out of depression and anxiety. Even IF abraham hicks isn't real, it's fun and different, the teachings are no different to those of other great teachers like Ekhart Tolle, it just has a different and easy to relate to spin. Give up the resistance dear writer, happy, whether childish or not in your view is lovely.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: One of the endless fascinations here is the determination of Abraham-Hicks apologists to persistently try to change the subject and challenge claims never made. It really is getting old though.For the record, Alex, on the off chance that you really are interested in facts, the question is not why Jerry was stricken with leukemia, but why he didn't try any of the easy cures he and Esther have been selling to gullible followers for years. Instead, they ran straight to conventional medicine. A wise choice, in my opinion, but complete contrary to the silly "teachings of Abraham."My conclusion is that Jerry and Esther know it's all bunk created to take money from the spiritually lazy.You're all over the place with incomplete thoughts and ideas that appear geared to fog the simple issues. You may get away with it for people already in the cult, since they are generally willing to swallow whatever gobbledygook Esther tosses them. But I don't think newbies or anyone with a mature critical thinking ability is like to buy your baloney.It isn't even an impressive effort. Tell your handlers to try a better developed argument, if they have one.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Whether Abraham Hicks is genuine or not, branches of biology such as psychoneuroimmunology are showing that health is not out of our control. Theories on cellular memory have been around for many years but you find the information when you look for it. It's not made obvious in conventional medicine.Also, using Jerry's death as an argument is unreliable. You can't claim that one person's illness defies everything that's been said, no matter how involved in it they were. What about all the other mind-body phenomena such as placebo, and other healing that people have experienced? One person is not a sample therefore we draw conclusions from that. And who knows what had been going on with Jerry's emotional life?

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: No, it isn't, and of course, that is not what Esther Hicks does.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I find it fascinating how people can find the negative in anything. Even if she is a fake....isn't it wonderful that she can help people feel so good and is leading them in a positive direction of self love and understanding?

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: You may be right on the money there.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          When one is lost, any perception of a leader will suffice.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: SoulKeeper, this is an argument against objective thinking, which is one of the highest skills humans have evolved. I know that "pushing against" is a way Esther Hicks has pulled up a vacuous argument to inoculate herself from skeptics.Criticism is what we do every day of our lives as we decide what to and what not to do. You can't function without it, and part of growing up means honing your ability to understand by analyzing, appreciating and criticizing at turns. You seem to know this, except when it comes to Esther Hicks, and then, silly objections about such nonsense ideas as "clouds your own vibration" kicks in to excuse questionable behavior.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @David Stone1: What everybody seems to forget is that, as with all "cults" or "ideas", it is just somebody's opinion, just a man's (or woman's) thoughts, or belief, and you can take from it what you want and leave the rest. We all know everybody holds different beliefs and the thing is to let them have theirs while you have yours. How else do we all get our beliefs if not through indoctrination by other people's beliefs (like religion). But once your common sense kicks in, you decide for yourself what to keep and what to let go of. Criticism is "pushing against", which just clouds your own vibration.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Or maybe it was because illiterate people like yourself can only get indoctrinated through repetitive mantras they don't have to think too much about.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Look yall people are ridiculous just because yall don't understand or comprehend what she is trying to teach doesn't mean shes a fake the reason she probably repeats things over is for people who didn't understand the first time around and also for new comers the person that made this page is a dick!!.....point blank period!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Enjoy your reading, zkibosh, but you'll find a lot of fudging and contradiction in the book. The subject is fascinating, but there are others who cover it with more sincerity. Sheila Gillette was doing this long before Esther, and she has a long record of integrity behind her. Sheila says she mentored Esther, but she's being kind. Esther mimicked her from the start. For some real, verifiable insight, I suggest you try any of Dr. Michael Newton's "Life Between Lives" books. (Esther "borrowed" material from him, although she didn't quite get it right.) I think you'd also get a lot out of Dr. Raymond Moody's books on NDEs. Either is vastly more enlightening than Esther. No comparison, and they are both based on evidence, not religion-style trust.I got tangled up in the Abraham-Hicks thing after a similar incident in my life made me eager to learn more. Esther and Jerry turned out to be a major turn off, mocking people for mourning the death of loved ones and bragging about being "so disrespectful" in calling the deaths "croaking" and always suicides, just weeks after the World Trade Center disaster. Not for me, but they do market well.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @lav777 lm: there are many people who want to contribute to the development of a better place to live, trying to help others to know themselves and walk on the path of life more confident with the certainty that there is something else beyond, but the noble idea becomes corrupted with the pass of the time and their ego grows by the increasing followers flow and it tends to mislead to its authors. I was introduced to the book "Ask and it is given" by a friend after my sister died a month ago. i have always like the topic and have read many books about it, but i haven't read that one yet, she is very into it. she said she has read it twice and she is going for the third one in order to root its teachings. i strongly believe that no one can hold the whole truth, an absolute truth, that will only lead anyone to died. i don't see the point to keep living on this earth knowing "the truth". it is up to us to discover what to believe and live according to it, but that decision is taken only for a few the rest only follows what others strive to find. they are part of a big flock who don't mind to question, if their archetipical leader slips or err, then there is someone else to blame of their own missery, without taking any responsibility of their lives. I will read the book, though I'm sure it has something interesting to say, and something not to.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: DianeM, so it's your opinion that people never have open minds and already have them made up before considering the evidence? Is that true, really, or just a handy way to excuse Esther Hicks' behaviors? Keep in mind that this all-inclusive simple-mindedness must include you as well as everyone else you're condemning as thoughtless.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          in the words of Esther...."You get what you look for". Everyone posting here, including me, will find support for their belief or position.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: mike, there certainly are some good and sincere folks out there. I'm not familiar with these two, but I will try to look them up. Thanks for the tip.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I concur, recently I came across John the beloved and Anna Hughes. Both have helped me all the way I experienced the change. check it out for yourself -- no benefit for me. Just wanna share the good work --- i'm here!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          The Law works, as they say. We do come here to experience, and we choose when and where we want to be born and in what kind of body/gender. The whole story about the so called free will is that we get to choose the rest of our lives.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @ChristyZ: Christy, thanks. A big concern is that Esther's (really, Jerry's, too) act will be perceived as such a carnival act that others will be turned off on the whole idea, a loss for all.Thanks, again, for your comment.

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          ChristyZ 4 years ago

          Terrific article, I am a firm believer in the law of attraction and found myself getting sucked into "the vortex" until I realized much of it didn't add up. People are so desperate to find answers to their problems that they are willing to believe just about anything. I think it's great that you are shedding light on Esther Hicks and her practices.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Right on, Eduardo. There are certainly convergences with higher awareness, but proof is hard to come by. It resonates or it doesn't, and those who listen without question are as guilty as the false teachers.The one exception I'll make though is that Esther (or Lee, who I'm unfamiliar with) could voluntarily sit for a professional lie detector exam, settling the case for any fair minded person, once and for all. Or she could participate in open debates where her verisimilitude could be challenged. If she is as she says, neither would be a problem for her. But she won't do either thing. That's something I am sure of.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          It's correct to have a critical attitude about everything we read or hear. That's what makes a difference between the truth seekers and the religion fanatics / fundamentalists. It's always a good exercise to figure out the interests that lie behind a teaching and also behind the ones that criticize those teachings.There's a Buddhist quote that says: "If you are going to believe in everything you read, then don't read at all". The point is that no author is free from adding her / his own beliefs, prejudices and personal interests to what she or he writes or teaches, so no pure and clean teachings are to expect from nobody.Also, an author that reveals an extraordinary knowledge has also a cycle and a time when no new relevant information is gathered and taught anymore, so many of them stretch and recycle the original information in order to keep selling books. This happens. Someone who has something relevant to teach has the right to devote her / his life to it and make a living from it. That's no crime as long as the core of those teachings are truthful.Finally, there is no way to prove Esther communicating with Abraham or that Lee Carrol really channels Kryon. It's a matter of the weight and power of the information, if it makes sense or not, what makes it suitable to be discarded or considered to be part of our growth process.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Alexander, first of all, there are links her to various articles that look at the A-H phenomenon for different angles, including links to what other people have written. (If you don't know how to click a link to dig deeper, just ask.) If you take the trouble, you may find that your demands are already answered, but I get the sense that, no matter what read, you will still have a "Yes, but..." style response. But it's there for you to consider, and frankly, I hear more from Abers who tell me I've written too much.Your demands that I prove something to you seem a little weird, especially in light of your not having read the material. Really, read as much as you like or no more at all. Like any other reader, you either learn something useful or you don't. Since your main thrust is to frantically defend "the teachings," what you read seems to have gotten under your skin and rattled your beliefs. You're reacting viscerally. That's good. It's forcing you to think more than you want to. In the end, you may feel even more strongly about your core beliefs or you might not. Either way, the exercise is good for your brain."You seem like a faithless, knee-jerk reactionary atheist in a religious forum---a man standing on the sidelines of a path of burning coals who is belittling the people who are walking barefoot across those coals. It's also quite bewildering hypocritical how you poo-poo Esther's claim of translating blocks of thought from a bunch of non-physical entities and yet offer us books you have written in conjunction with a 'nameless voice.' You don't explain who or what that nameless voice is or where it is located."So, you read a blurb and thought that was the whole story? If you're too cheap to buy, both of my nonfiction books are serialized for free online, in case you are actually interested in the subject and not just disagreeing because it makes you feel more secure.Finally..."And lastly, if you were TRULY the "happiest man in the world" you would not be sarcastic or hostile towards those who disagree with you---nor would you waste one moment of time crusading against supposed frauds. You would let the world get on with itself and tend to your own happiness."Who says? You? I've been sarcastic all my life. It just comes to me as a way of needling blowhards. So many of you Abers make this complaint, it gets silly. If it bugs you, don't read it. Nobody's forcing you. Write your own article instead of just bouncing off mine. There are tons of free blogger sites where you can launch your opinions. Defend Esther Hicks. Defend Abraham. Have a good time. But be honest, now. The reason you are here and got so emotional is that you have real doubts, and it upsets you to be confronted with facts that rattle you even further. It's a waste of time to shoot the messenger or pile on all sorts of personal attacks (while simultaneously objecting to personal attacks.)The world needs more adults, Alexander. Join us. Use the brain God gave you to counterbalance all that emotional turmoil. We'll all be better for it when you do.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Anyone who disagrees with you is usually met with sarcasm & hostility and this weakens your position. It is obvious that your inner BS detector is sounding its alarm about the AH Teachings but you have not offered your own world-view or cosmological paradigm that you are comparing the teachings to.Your 15 reasons of why you can't trust the teachings seem very superficial and insubstantial. It would appear that you don't know or understand the fundamental principles of their teachings. You don't mention anything about their idea that all living beings are eternal or that all deaths are suicides---and thus, you don't appear to have a problem with those ideas. You don't mention or acknowledge their idea that each of us---at some point in eternity---creates his/her own reality. If you're going to attack their teachings, then at least attack the fundamentals---the basis for the things they say which you disagree with. And if you do this, then it is intellectually imperative that you offer your own fundamental conclusions. In other words, if you attack their paradigm then it is only fair that you offer your own paradigm. If you disagree with their idea that we are actually eternal beings, then you must explain why we are not eternal beings. If you disagree with their idea that all deaths are suicides, then you must explain why you disagree. If you disagree with their idea that each of us created his/her own physical life/reality, then you must assert who or what DID create our physical lives/realities. If you disagree with their idea that death leads to an after-life of bliss or "pure positive energy", then you must explain to us your idea of what death leads to.I am not here to defend their teachings. I am merely pointing out that you have done a very poor job in attacking them or justifying why you don't trust them.Is there anything about their teachings that you agree with? If so, please list them.Their teachings---as are any teachings concerned with spirituality---are necessarily metaphysical. Is it intellectually fair & sound to bring "science" or "scientific facts" into the argument? When the subject includes "the after-life" or "eternity", then it is necessarily metaphysical---and metaphysics & empiricism are polar opposites. The former is faith-based and the latter is concerned with what can be proven scientifically.I am a former student of their teachings. I, too, was put-off by the fact that Jerry did not focus solely on adjusting his vibration in order to heal himself of cancer but instead chose chemo-therapy---and died what must have been a withering death 8 months later. I was also put-off by Esther's failure to explain why Jerry chose chemo instead of merely adjusting his vibration. And yet, such put-offs do not compel me to dismiss everything about their teachings. I take what I like and leave the rest behind. So do tell us what the fundamentals of their teachings are and why you disagree with them. Tell us what their paradigm is and explain to us how it differs from your own well-thought-out paradigm. If you don't have a fully-formed paradigm, then just admit it. Again, is there anything about their teachings that you agree with? If so, please list them and tell us why you agree with them. If there is anything you disagree with, then please list them and tell us why. Otherwise, you just seem like someone who is jealous of Esther's success. You seem like a faithless, knee-jerk reactionary atheist in a religious forum---a man standing on the sidelines of a path of burning coals who is belittling the people who are walking barefoot across those coals.It's also quite bewildering & hypocritical how you poo-poo Esther's claim of translating blocks of thought from a bunch of non-physical entities and yet offer us books you have written in conjunction with a "nameless voice". You don't explain who or what that nameless voice is or where it is located. You don't explain why anyone should consider it valid or believable---or why it should be considered more valid & believable than what "voices" Esther "hears".And lastly, if you were TRULY the "happiest man in the world" you would not be sarcastic or hostile towards those who disagree with you---nor would you waste one moment of time crusading against supposed frauds. You would let the world get on with itself and tend to your own happiness. But, if it makes you happy to point out someone else's "wrong" or "flawed" beliefs, then it behooves you to offer what you believe are the "right" or "sound" beliefs. So far you have failed to do this.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks, Zoe. Love may not be all we need, but it'll do well in absence of other stuff.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Well said! Love is all we need :).

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: Well said! Love is all we need :).

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks for your comments, Kyle, and your tip on "The Guru Papers." I'll add it to the reading list I'm always falling behind on and hope other readers will consider it too.Thanks, again. Never too much clear thinking out there.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Hi Dave, great post, I grew up in the TM cult and know intimately what you are describing here. I think an issue you may want to research and consider is that of the authoritarian dynamic. The Guru Papers by Joel Kramer goes into channeling a little and explains how the cult leader is creating an authoritarian relationship with their followers. Cult members have a hard time breaking the cycle of relying on authority/dictators in their lives, it becomes like an addiction and is very dangerous for the followers:(. At the same time though the cult leader is also in a dangerous psychological position because they are emotionally isolated and since they are never wrong also stop cold the learning process. The whole thing is a huge cluster f---!! Good Job with this site and I'll share with my friend who has fallen down this particular rabbit hole of idiocy:(.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Captain awesome, try pushing back from the videos for a bit and get back to that English grammar class you skipped.How come so many Abers begin their comments with the word "wow," but never have anything wow to add? Just curious.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          wow, Davestone13 seems like the biggest party pooper ever LMAO! Your not invited bro. what a bore! (in my opinion) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! :P

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: The usual, a claim without a single example as evidence and the you just don't get it mantra familiar to all cults.God only knows what "one stepping it" means, but the presumptuousness of Abers is consistent in thinking they know more than do about others and their level of personal contentment. It's just your ego satisfying itself in a way designed to seem generous but is only narrow minded and simple.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I know Jerry and Esther hicks are wonderful people why also make lots of money too. Their teachings have helped me increase my happiness in my life. You get the work or you don't. This work is not for everyone and that is okay. Davestone13 is still one stepping it and its just where he is now. He right where he is supposed to be. Best of luck and hope you live a happier live as well Davestone13.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @lav777 lm: Not sure I understand your point, lalav777, but it sounds interesting. I hope you will come back and provide some greater detail.Thanks.

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          lav777 lm 4 years ago

          very interesting and controversial... All opinions are accepted because they are opinions. Whatever it is, better if we just leave her alone. Ideas will be appealing depending upon how it is presented. The use of words could be one factor of attractiveness plus the content. But the truth will always remain vague because we are all human in this world..

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @reasonablerobby: Well put, reasonablerobinson.What they see as sarcasm is my effort to add a little cutting humor, a reasonable response I think when dealing with sock puppets and others who will not take notice of straightforward comment.Thanks.

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          reasonablerobby 4 years ago

          The issue here is philosophically profound. There is an assumption by those 'believers' in EH that truth is a relative affair. They conflate ontological and epistemological matters however. It is very easy for people to believe things that are untrue and disbelieve things that are true. The approach of EH is relativistic and an extreme form of social constructionism which argues that a redescription of reality will actually change reality. It is a sloppy form of post modernism that is appealing to uncritical thinkers who like to think that anything goes. This is patently unviable. I might want to fly and believe I can however the ontological fact is proven when I jump off a skyscraper. To suggest that Dave's points are sarcastic is the dogmatic retort of someone who fears scepticism. The real irony of adherents of the EH philosophical assumptions is that they argue anything is possible and any point of view is viable, just so long as you agree with their point of view, if you don't then you are up for trashing. Hilarious! The deficit in intellectual capability of these people is truly staggering.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: What's fantastic to me, MaryJane, is why you'd be so concerned with how much energy I put into anything. What do you care?Do you really think we'd all be better off if we stopped using the higher mental faculties of objective thinking, the one characteristic that distinguishes humans from other living things?"Peace and love" are wonderful things to "believe in," whatever that curious statement means, but there's more to life than that. You can walk narrow or engage all of yourself and walk broad. What is happiness, anyway? If it's what you seem to suggest here, it'd bore the hell out of me.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Promise?By the way, the average person refrains from reacting or defending all the time. And I get almost zero "monetary benefit" (Can't you just say "makes money?") from the books listed. I just think it's fair for readers to have access to other points of view, if they're interested. I agree with Esther Hicks that everyone should be free with their opinions, don't you?

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          The more sarcastic he is, he knows the average person cannot refrain from reacting or defending, which keeps his posts alive. Not to mention the monetary benefit he gets off the Abe books listed here. The responses are more antagonistic than intellectually engaging. But...you decide for yourself how long you want to hang around in here. 2 posts are enough for me.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Fantastic how much energy you put into someone elses reality and truth. We are all unique and so are our ideas about life, and what is real and not is up to you but may be different to the next. The actual time you spend on throwing dirt at someone elses creation and lifework is (well yours to spend however you want of course) ridiculous, when you could instead spend it being happy for yourself and other creative creaters around you. Lets spread love and happiness in the world, believe in the good in people and life, it will make you happier and the people around you.Peace and love, yes that I believe in!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Sorry, "journalist," not exploring, reporting. How long have you been a member of this cult?

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Hey Abers,This writer is only exploring... yes of course we all would rather he explore uplifting others, but his choices are not for us to make. Live and let live - why push against his beliefs if it is truly working for you? It works for me...enough so that I don't desire the need to explain or defend,

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Do you suppose your claimed degree in philosophy makes you and instant expert on channeling or a discriminate listener to Esther/Abraham's so called teachings? If you "the magnificence and scope of knowledge amazing," you may have spent too much time on another planet. Or may, you're just easily impressed by what comes off as an amalgam of ideas taken from the New Thought Movement, Seth and Theo. From the latter, she also took the style and advanced it.Although you claim to "have seen many miracles of people using the Law of Attraction," you don't cite a single one in any detail, and it seems to have gotten by you that this "law" has been around for a century. Jerry and Esther claimed that "Abraham" gave it to them, sort of like a message from the gods, but they were unable to get their fabulous claim passed the U.S. trademark officers. They were shot down, of course, because they didn't originate it, which sent both Jerry and Esther into fits of anger on the monster bus in front of witnesses when it happened.Apparently, the law of attraction didn't come through for them on this subject any more than it did when Jerry developed cancer and died.Since you later jump in with a new name "Sally," I assume you're a sock puppet with a new line of attack on Esther's growing number of critics.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: First of all, Sally, you are a sock puppet who previous identified yourself as Marcy Mann to initiate a new line of attack toward critics of Esther Hicks.And if you'd had brains enough to read the material, you'd know that we're not discussing the field pioneered by Plato, Kant and Hume. We're talking about magical beliefs, repeated contradictions, a lack of awareness of the basic subject matter discussed and Esther Hicks/Abraham having the intellectual heft of a blueberry.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @David Stone1: Obviously your understanding of metaphysics and epistemology are non-existent. I have a degree in Philosophy. Where are your credentials to even remotely review and critique an area in which you are not qualified?

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I have a college degree in Philosophy and been studying Metaphysics for over 40 years. When I first started listening to Hicks/Abraham (about 1 year ago), I was absolutely stunned by the sound wisdom and judgement of this "entity". There is absolutely NO WAY Esther Hicks displays the intellectual horsepower when not channeling Abraham. When Abraham answers a broad range of questions by querents, the magnificence and scope of knowledge is amazing.You obviously have little or no experience with this field of study. I have seen many miracles of people using the Law of Attraction.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Sad story, Lee Jackson, and one we've heard from numerous people about friends and families alienated by the cult effect. I've often wondered myself why no one has looked into this cult. Not even the press that has had such a field day attacking Scientology. Except for a single doubting article in The Guardian years ago, Esther Hicks gets a free pass. Except for a few Abraham Hicks skeptics online. Maybe that all will change eventually.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I have lost my wife to this scam. I think the US Dept of Justice needs to look into this fraud of a woman.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @ManfromModesto LM: New perspective here. Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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          ManfromModesto LM 4 years ago

          There are three sources of supernatural information: God, devils, and the mind (which is fake). Most people think there are two: the mind, and an anything-goes, it's-all-good spirit realm. That is dangerous. The supernatural is either God or demons. No gray area, no neutrals. I hope you will consider this wisdom. -MfM

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: A hot topic that stays with people affected. Thanks, Susie.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Been too long since I stopped by here Dave. You sure do know how to keep an interesting conversation going, and that is highly commendable. - Blessed!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thank you, Benjamin. Your point is one I agree with. People comfortable with following the teachings can benefit from a broader perspective, if they want one, but there is no reason to feel threatened by another's point of view. The "pushing against," as Esther calls it suggests a not very thorough grounding in the teachings themselves.Thanks for your comment.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          i don't understand all the back and forth about this. if the people who listen to abraham are applying the principles involved, there is no need to debate about it. to the author of the blog, i have to say thank you for offering a perspective on this subject. your viewpoint is just as valid as anyone else's.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Elsepeth, you have no reason to be concerned. First, Esther's is not a "message of love." Esther is a happiness guru. She preaches about finding a way to be happy. It could be art, pickle-eating or decoupage. Love is no more special than anything else. She does take a "live and let live" attitude, but that isn't love, is it?To the contrary, she has criticized people who condemn war because war makes some others feel more alive, and she discouraged a boneheaded mother from trying to prevent her brat's kicking their cat. The cat, Esther explained, was teaching the future felon.So, you're safe with the teachings you think you learned from Estherham.It frequently surprises how little Esther's supporters know about her and her philosophy. You didn't even spell her name correctly.And for the record, I don't care if Esther charges for her seminars or if she makes a fortune doing it. As I've said many times previously, it's fine with me if the whole Hicks clan has so much dough they can take baths on liquified cash. I do care if she makes her money by perpetuating a fraud. Any business owner who sells a product that isn't what they say it is should be shut down. Period.You say "It wouldn't matter if she was faking." I say it does. Society is based on people being honest in their dealings and trustworthy in what they deliver.As an adult, you ought to be big enough to understand that some people disagree with even your most cherished beliefs. Even Esther agrees with that. If it makes you feel bad, you weren't very solid in that game anyway. And if it does nothing more than get you thinking, it's a great exercise for your mind. Why except Esther' shallow platitudes and weak ideas. Gregg Bradden, for one, does the love thing much better and with some brains. I don't think much of Bradden either, but I think he's honest and means what he says. You can try Wayne Dyer too. Wonderful, warm, smart, kind human being. Deepak Chopra, ancients like Rumi and Buddha, recently passed gurus like Gandhi there's such a world out there of potentially wonderful teachers, you can find one that better fits your love beliefs and hopes, and you'd be far less at risk, as you seem to be now, of falling into a cult.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I don't want to argue or to cause stress. Let me simply say I'm drawn to their message of love. If nothing else Ester and Abraham have taught me love. Yes "stuff" doesn't appear immediately but I see little things that I attract everyday. I can't prove that to you but know that for some people this process works. I believe in the message and I live by it. It wouldn't matter if she's faking or not. Who cares if she request fees for her seminar. She has been gracious enough to make this her life's work and she should be rewarded for it. If consumers choose to pay THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. She isn't beating down their doors asking for their money. And you sir. She paint her to be a monster and a fake but for all your jabs and criticism your website advertises her books. Your comments FEED the machine that is Abraham-Hicks. You pay their bills with this site's content and advertising, so can't it be said that you are their biggest supporter? Love the love part and leave the rest alone. The point is to take away what you need and leave the rest. Don't project your misgivings on other people with the guise of "letting the cat of the bag". I think this does more harm then help. You've done nothing but make me and my beliefs look silly and paltry and that makes me feel bad. Was that your intent? To spread negative feelings cause that's all this site does. Put people down. At least Abraham is a advocate of love and positive energy.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Dear Sir.I'm a Science guy. I've always asked myself whether Abraham is a hoax, that Esther is maybe a great psychologist. But 2 points:-What I heard from them has a strange, wonderful resonance with what "I know" since my teen years (the inner self thing). It's a wordless feeling, I can't explain it. Amazing! I feel it the right way even being a teenager. Abraham confirmed what I already knew in my youth. I became so good to sense true or false that even the Pope, if the subject interests me, I can sense whether what he's speaking is the real truth. Once again, my inner self, who became a wonderful friend for me, following Abraham's teachings.-I tried the Law of Attraction, beginning w/ small things. Result: huge success. The thing really works and now is part of my life. Absolutely amazing. I was about to go into a comma, but I asked my inner self what's happening. I discovered the reason in 5 minutes, and thanks to the 3 steps of the Law Of Attraction. But you have to do it just like they insist. The 3 steps.They're fake? Now, It doesn't matter, really. Resonance is what is important. I can't explain it to you. Hoax?, it doesn't matter now. About their ignorance on String Theory: they insist, they are not magicians. If they tried something magical at the stage, a lot of people would appear to prove it's a hoax. And, yes, I agree with you. The Vortex thing and new "marketing' inventions really bother, irritate me. Just keep it simple! Thanks. FlavioP.S. Jerry died. All of us will died someday. And Jesus, if He ever existed, died in a worse way. And I'm a christian well educated with Christian values/moral with or without Jesus existing.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: This maybe overstates the case a bit, but it's not untrue in facts.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I was a member of the Abe Hicks Facebook page ...they are the creepiest, most inhumane assholes I have ever met. Seriously. I was a follower for a year till I realized that it was all just a gimick for Esther to make money AND that it, ultimately, made complete douchebags out of it's followers. They are actually advised TO cause abuse if it makes them feel good. Go join their facebook page - It's stunningly horrible and VERY inlightening.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: KC, my interpretation of your comment is that you find it easier to be an airhead and have no choice but to resort to accusing others of unlikable traits just because they disagree with you. If that's the only way you can resolve opinions that differ from yours, you might think about some professional counseling or consider Esther Hicks' own advice to appreciate different points of view. You have a little problem with your ego. Not very Abe-like. Chill and enjoy all the perspective.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Seems easier to be cynical and angry than to be nonjudgmental and loving,after all that's how we've been taught!

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Jonathan, there's more to the story of Jesus, largely because nothing he said was put in writing until decades after his death. We don't really know what he said or didn't, only what followers generations later preferred to consolidate into a set of often contradictory books.Interesting, by most accounts, is the fact that even Jesus never made claims as fabulous as those made by Esther Hicks.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Thank god there were intelligent, real people like the author that also used basic and obvious logic and saw right though Jesus christ (pardon the pun) and exposed his crap too.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Kimberly, I'll be the first to admit we can all use more comedy in our lives, even when unintentional. "This writer was not as I believe hugged enough as a child," and "...who are we to pass judgment?" in the first three sentences gave me a smile to start my day. "...power tripping mechanistic journalist..." raised the laugh meter too.Esther Hicks wrote a book that changed my life too. But so did J. D. Salinger, Henry Miller, Saul Bellow, Eckardt Tolle, Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra. They all held up better over time as more genuine, sincere and penetrating. In my opinion, God gave us thinking minds to sort through our experiences and the evidence we see and reach conclusions that fulfill and enrich our lives. He never asked any of us to numb our faculties to give any guru a free ride.It's fine to disagree. Disagreement is part of what makes the world go around intellectually. If you spend too much time appalled by other people's opinions instead of weighing them objectively, you might want to ask yourself what sort of defense mechanism is being triggered when your beliefs get threatened. You might learn from that too.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Please let me start this with my deepest sincerity. This writer was not as I believe hugged enough as a child. I find that this articles slander is embarrassing. The views were validated in some form but who are we to pass judgement? Esther Hicks wrote a book that changed my life. Having a growth mindset was a struggle for me. You do not have to agree with all the workings of the writing but the idea someone would even have the gull to write something so deep. Should not be reprimanded by a power tripping mechanistic journalist. I find this article to be appalling and the reason I will never and I accentuate never let people that stature into my life. If the writer put the same effort into something positive. The world would be a better place. We can all learn from this writers anguish and negative effect in life. Learn to be a better person through other's mistakes. This is what I am taking from this waste of reading. I am utterly disgusted.Kimberly E Scammell

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thank you, Jamir. Greed can be poison. In this case, maybe it is.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Hi'aVery interesting read. I am a channel , and I have to agree with most of what you have said. I think the Abraham channelled messages were great until they lost their way with power, money, glory and fame. Entities that use us for "good intention for all mankind ", don't really go in for all that stuff and there for move on to a channel who just sits quietly and does there own thing with no interruptions . The good comes from just doing, people really do not have to know all the details. That is where the real magic lies , well that is my opinion. NEVER do anything for money , that you get given for free . That is my motto and I have always stuck to it. Ja'mir

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Since when is it "closed minded" to objectively consider fantastic spiritual claims?It's hardly a matter of belief to accept outlandish and clearly erroneous information without thinking it through. It's a matter of wanting to believing something so badly that truth and honesty aren't allowed to get in the way. It's a matter of wasting what's between your ears in favor of comfortable fairy tales.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          This hardly proves anything, its merely a collection of your closed minded opinion on the matter. Its interesting seeing that - its true - only people who are ready to experience and believe are the ones that do.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @WriterJanis2: Thanks. Interesting topic and good to get it juiced.

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          WriterJanis2 4 years ago

          I like how you spit out what you think. You've definitely got lots of people talking on this lens. Excellent job.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Benjamin, I couldn't agree with you more. Your thoughts are very much like my own. Thanks for expressing them so clearly.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I definitely believe in the law of attraction, and I believe it can INFLUENCE reality. What I don't believe, is that Esther hicks is channeling a spirit, let alone a hundred. I do think that she is able to access a well of wisdom through meditation, just like everyone else is capable of. This whole "chosen one" act just feels unnecessary. I'd have more respect if she just said: "I'm here to share some ideas and insights that I gained through meditation, and I hope they will help you to grow as a person as they have helped me."As it is, she lacks compassion. She cuts people off from finishing what they want to say, demonstrating very little empathy, something I'd expect from such wise spirits. Her meditation CD's are the worst I've ever come across! I've taught meditation, it's something I've studied and experimented with for years, and I can safely say hers were the worst I've ever used. (so bad that I switched off before it was over, which I've never done before.) I'm pretty sure these spirits would have some idea of how to put a good meditation together!Overall, I just think the whole showmanship aspect to her teachings are completely unnecessary. I'm not saying there's no wisdom there, but it doesn't need dressing up to make her look like the messiah so she can sell more books.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Essentially, Esther bases her work much like the faith based religions. There is no "intellectual horsepower" at all, which leaves me wondering if you are really familiar with the term.Intellectuals refine and discuss their work and are always trying to find new answers. With Esther, it's all certain already but like a religion in that she can make error after error and man contradictions without being called out to explain any of them."She is speaking to those with 'ears to hear'" is clearly a cult/religious tactic as if there is some secret truth known only to initiates. That vitiates the need to explain because you can just claim the other person does get it because they don't have 'ears to hear." Most of us would just as soon have brains and powers in critical thinking and the excitement of finding truth in everyday life.Esther and Abraham are for sad misfits who want and easy way out of adult responsibilities.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @David Stone1: Sorry........... but as student of metaphysics for over 40 years there is no way Esther Hicks is a scam. Her intellectual horsepower when channeling Abraham is staggering. The myriad of brilliant answers she/Abraham spews forth leaves no doubt in my mind she is the "real deal". I guess she is speaking to those to who have "ears to hear".

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I studied A-H for a while and then moved on. I took from it what I could use and moved on to other things. I think we could all practice dissernment in life. You have a lot to choose from and not all that is labeled a scam is, maybe it is, who knows. I took the good from the messages/information and left to grow more, understand more things, RESEARCH more things and come to my own conclusions. Its all individual and then, collective as far as I think...so far.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: letschillout, thank you for your thoughtful comment.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: That womans video says far more about her own personality than it does a job of discrediting any teachings. She has by her own admission been a follower of several groups, felt superior to other people, preached and become obsessive. Thats clearly her pattern. As for warning people about their vocabulary changing-we very often take on characteristics and behaviours of social groups we are part of and things that we are passionate about so again, it just says more about her than anything else.I don't work for free and i certainly would not expect anyone else to so if they/she are earning good money from spreading such helpful teachings then good for them! personally, I listened to a cd of theirs a while ago and it really helped me shift my perspective, the reason i commented is because, to me, that video said far more abut that woman than it did about anything i have heard from the abraham stuff.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thank you for your thoughtful comment, Katie.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          Are you a genuine happy person? We treat ourselves like how we treat others, and if your interests are in finding people's faults (I am not defending for Abraham neither i am saying that she has no fault.), then it tells me that sometimes you can be critical of your own works or there is potential that you could be afraid of other's opinions on your works. Nothing is wrong with those attitudes/thoughts, until these behaviours actually stop you enjoying a blissful life. I think that most people who are fan of Abraham have gone through certain levels of hardships already, and they had been living under the "normal" standard of attitudes that this society promotes (which is very obviously shown by your style of questioning on this page), and those attitudes led them no where and they were still miserable, i guess that's why they just appreciated an alternative way of seeing life, it can be Abraham's or other people's views. The truth is what is really right? How do we define right? Right, being proven by majority of the people? Really? is that just what should be right? Just like you being a veggie and you do not want to eat meat, but you are the minority, so it means that your way of eating is "wrong"?just some food for thoughts. i guess, it's a major thing to ask anyone to just be accepting of others, no matter if they are a liar or what. We are all so locked in the ways of thinking of punishing/fault-findings, which is the way how this society operates on. Nothing is wrong with that, until these ways of living/functioning no longer make us a healthy nation/living being. Love, a great word. we all seek from others, but can we really give it to others first?Love, is unconditioned, and accepting. It melts people's heart, it makes it feel like home. I totally understand that you have your own reasons/logic for your fault-finding behaviours, thoughts like 'if i dont expose her, then she will ruin others' etc etc i know, i understand, i've been there, and i still think like that sometimes nowdays. But one thing i have realised is that this way of thinking/functioning leads me away from the very love/acceptance that i wish i receive from others. So i guess it's only fair to ask for it from others, when i can do it myself first, right?May love and joy be with you, Dave. And without any misinterpretation please, i do really mean it. :)

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @darciefrench lm: Hey, thanks. I'm glad you appreciated the sense of humor. The Abers keep commenting that I must be angry or resentful, although where that rationale comes from is anyone's guess.

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          darciefrench lm 4 years ago

          Just came back for a laugh and to leave more blessings for exposing the truth

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: I agree with Chelsea. I have never paid lots of money for an Abraham Seminar or cruise. I have two of their books and I watch their videos on You Tube. The message is harmless and positive. I am open to another view if it was a clear argument. If it's a scam, I certainly wouldn't want to be caught up in it. But your arguments are unclear. And your writing is hard to follow.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: its been lovely finding you n feeling you...what kept me sticking to read this article was the text this fellow (source energy in physical dimension) has pasted in bold at times or the text from abraham... strange is the feel..reading his comments it feels out of the vortex n shouting at abraham he quotes abraham n I fall in the vibration of soothe n love n joy...just wanna say somethingu feel calm n inside the vortex writing all these comments...it feels good to me :) and also one more thing...abraham said....which rings in my head when I confront co-creators like this friend, the owner of this page...that there is never a crowd on the leading edge!n love you boy....you shall crock or make your transition n know each moment lived in amazing clarity...you shall meet them when you r free of resistance... loving you!

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          @anonymous: interesting n wise....seeing as it is...:)

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Thanks, Jessica, for your ideas. Fact of the matter is that Jerry kept a pretty tight lid on Esther's rambling. For all intents, he was Abraham. She's been coming unglued since he died, and the audiences are shrinking for reasons just like this.

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          I have listened the Abraham videos on youtube for two years now, and up until recently I resonated with the teaching, but I also knew that this material was not new, and that there is more to the story than what Esther claims. I also often thought if the teachings are real why was Esther and Jerry still running all of the country doing seminars when she clearly misses being with her family, and she never seemes to have time to enjoy her new home. If simply focusing on money attracts it why didn't they just go home and enjoy their life. A week ago I watch a video where a lady asked about the concept of God. Esther has apparently decided that only she has access to Source, and only she knows what is true about God. I watched the newest AbrahamHicks published video on youtube The Missing Piece. The man asking the questions is clearly having a difficult time after years of practicing what Esther has been claiming without the results Esther promises. There is no channeling going on in that video, and Esther's narcissism has never shown through so clear to me. Last night I watched another new one where she goes on and on about her new Audi R 8. It is interesting that infinite intelligence would be so interested in her new $100,000.00 vehicle when so many people all of the world are facing the hardest times of our lives. I have often heard the Age of Aquarius will bring all untruth to the light, and in the case of Esther Hicks this is so true.

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          David Stone 4 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: I can't understand whether you simply misunderstood the article or just don't know what narcissism is. Seems like both.Take a minute to look up narcissism. It has everything to do with enjoying life, but a narcissist gets carried away with self-absorption in his or her own pleasure in watching themselves

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          anonymous 4 years ago

          how can you say that enjoyment of life is a NARCISSISM ??it has nothing to do with narcissism,at all!!

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: That all may be, but you show a remarkable fidelity to the standard sock puppet talking points we get all the time. As usual, your story reads contrived and sort of cockamamie.First of all, if Esther Hicks "saved" your life, how come you "want to make it clear that am not a devotee or a fan?" If someone "changed my life in an instant," I'd be the biggest fan they had. In short, your story is absurd. Can't Esther find anyone with a real story to tell?More important, why should she get credit for saving anyone's life when she shields herself from responsibility for those who've stepped forward to say they were harmed?You guys should go back to the drawing board and come up with more plausible material. This one's an obvious ringer. Better yet, why don't you fish around for a few people who are willing to give honest testimony about how she's helped them. That would get some attention, but AHP comes up empty on that suggestion every time.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I just want to make it clear that I am not a devotee or fan. I have never been to any of her seminars. I own only one book, The Law of Attraction, which I received as a gift. I cannot personally vouch for the integrity of Esther Hicks. What I can do however is point out that we are all fallible, we all have human limitations and not one of us have the right to hurl the first stone as we all live in houses of glass - and that includes you, me and Esther Hicks. I am not really sure why you would invest so much time and effort in tracking a public figure to monitor her every word and move, and focus on so much negativity. But I guess as a writer you do have the right to invest your time and talent is whichever way you choose. Personally I feel there are so many other worthy causes in the world that you might be able to alleviate, instead of trying to control what other people choose to believe. Anyway, that being said, I have an obligation to add that I owe Esther Hicks (as fake as she may be) my LIFE. While I was searching on the internet for the best method of suicide to end my life, I came across an inspirational YouTube video clip of Esther Hicks. That short video changed my life in an instant. One moment I was still hopeless and desperate and the next I had a whole new outlook on life, which has changed and improved my life in many miraculous ways over the past 4 years. Keep writing what makes you happy and makes you feel good. All I know is what I know...and I a telling you..that woman and all her "mean lies" saved my life.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          i agree with you that the "teachings of abraham" is Abra-scam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuySSmxZNBE&amp... they claim that "if you can imagine it" i.e something you want, then you can have it. I wish that was true :-/

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          natefzr 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: u should just not listen or watch abraham if u don't believe in it,u seem to be putting alot of effort into getting people to think its fake.maybe someone put u in place to do this sort of thing

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          Absolutely fantastic!!!!!

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          @David Stone1: Respectfully, I know lots about the subject, just not from your point of view which is why I ask for quotes and things. I don't see any of what you are claiming in their teachings. Is it because I only see what I want to see? Ok, maybe. The same goes for you though, so please don't mistake your opinion for objectivity either.My original comment was that what you have said is not convincing to me, and your claims do not have enough support or follow-up. Your the one trying to discredit Abraham-Hicks material and prove it's a scam--perhaps you'd like to do YOUR research and provide the information that would substantiate your claims. Your writing could be a lot better, but right now it comes off as emotional, biased, and unfounded. Lastly, I did not pull the topic of money out of thin air, reread your article.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: One last time, because it's getting boring answering you when you haven't taken the time to know enough about the subject, here are your answers:I have never heard them say not to get treatment from modern medicine. I have heard them talk about how modern medicine could be improved (by helping people release things they are holding onto that are the root cause of the illness in the first place) but never heard them say modern medicine is unnecessary or shouldn't be used. (They didn't, but they discouraged even getting tests, saying they were just "snapshots" and not reliable. But the question asked is, why did they they claimed that Abraham could cure anyone by holding them suspended for less than an afternoon, plus other assorted zany health claims, not just follow they're own teachings? Whether you heard it or read or not is irrelevant. It's all on the record, in print and on recordings.) In fact they encourage any method that gives a person relief, and Jerry apparently has the most faith in modern medicine so that decision WOULD feel best for him.Abraham doesn't "cure" anyone. They don't fix people's problems for them at all. They give information that, "if we could hear it" would be of great benefit. I'd like to see the quote where they say they can cure anyone in an afternoon. (I'd like you to read it too, but I'm not interested in doing your research for you, especially since you show a knack for hearing and reading only what you want to believe. Welcome to your prejudices, but you haven't really done your homework.)I didn't protest that Esther jazzed up her appearance, I actually didn't know what you were talking about. My point was that you had a lot of statements thrown in that were unexplained and supposed to be evidence of something... (I included a photograph, but you weren't missed it because it didn't fit your preconception.)I have never thought of them as having a direct connection to "God" or heard them say they are deities. (Again, this isn't news. They said it many times. You are only paying attention to what you prefer to believe, no objectivity.) What I hear from their message is that we're ALL Source energy. It's not us and them on totally different planes. We're all made of the same stuff, and their point is to help people allow more of that Source energy (or God if you prefer) part of themselves in.I think that in general you misunderstand their teachings and their message. I don't see them doing harm anywhere, and I wonder how many people you could find that would say their lives have improved vs people who claim to have felt let down and scammed. (Are we taking score? Anyone who agrees or disagrees is free to express themselves. Who cares? I'd love it, if they were truthful and genuinely had something original to offer. Negative on both counts. They are copycats and not very good ones. Their message is tired and contradictory.) I am curious as to what, personally, you have gone through with their teachings that has left you with such a bad opinion? (It's from actually reading and listening to the material, much more than you have, and from knowing people who have had close relationships with them and saw the other, non-public side. You're welcome to read all of my material, if you really want your question answered, but I really don't think you're up to it.)Also, I find it weird that every time I mention money that is apparently a dead giveaway that I've been sent here by someone. (Maybe it's because you brought the subject up out of the blue and argued against a point that was never made. Suggests an agenda, don't you think?)

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          @David Stone1: I have never heard them say not to get treatment from modern medicine. I have heard them talk about how modern medicine could be improved (by helping people release things they are holding onto that are the root cause of the illness in the first place) but never heard them say modern medicine is unnecessary or shouldn't be used. In fact they encourage any method that gives a person relief, and Jerry apparently has the most faith in modern medicine so that decision WOULD feel best for him.Abraham doesn't "cure" anyone. They don't fix people's problems for them at all. They give information that, "if we could hear it" would be of great benefit. I'd like to see the quote where they say they can cure anyone in an afternoon.I didn't protest that Esther jazzed up her appearance, I actually didn't know what you were talking about. My point was that you had a lot of statements thrown in that were unexplained and supposed to be evidence of something...I have never thought of them as having a direct connection to "God" or heard them say they are deities. What I hear from their message is that we're ALL Source energy. It's not us and them on totally different planes. We're all made of the same stuff, and their point is to help people allow more of that Source energy (or God if you prefer) part of themselves in.I think that in general you misunderstand their teachings and their message. I don't see them doing harm anywhere, and I wonder how many people you could find that would say their lives have improved vs people who claim to have felt let down and scammed. I am curious as to what, personally, you have gone through with their teachings that has left you with such a bad opinion?Also, I find it weird that every time I mention money that is apparently a dead giveaway that I've been sent here by someone.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: You are so determined to defend Esther and Jerry, you probably missed this direct quote from earlier: "The thoughts you think determine everything about the life that you live." That's a direct quote from earlier this year. Esther has many times said and agreed with people in the hot seat that people give themselves cancer. Yes, at other times, she has also said it comes from resistance, whatever that is, but even if that were the only thing she claimed, she has also explicitly said that she (claiming to be Abraham) could cure anyone of anything in less than an afternoon, and less extreme maybe, but still on the record, she said you can cure yourself of anything by changing your vibration "right away," with the longest it would take being a few days.So, let's assume that after having 24X7 access to Esther's Abraham, including numerous one on one discussions, Jerry still got cancer. Why would he then eschew the teachings of Abraham and be well in a few days, instead of going immediately to conventional medicine? That's a question that's been asked for months with no answer forthcoming. The reason is that going ahead with the "teachings of Abraham" would have been nuts, no matter what Esther preached for decades. They both knew it wouldn't work, or maybe they even gave it a try first before realizing that leukemia wasn't going to be driven off in an afternoon. And, yes, Jerry was disappeared for months when his first round of chemo failed. Suddenly the updates stopped, and he was no longer even mentioned in the email blasts. When questions arose, they got him into a balloon gondola and tried to use very bad photography to make it look like he was out for a summer lark with the family. All this to set up a ticket and merchandise selling blurb.Again, you are showing your lack of understanding of what is happening when you protest that Esther has tried to jazz up her appearance. When Jerry was healthy enough to participate, Esther was limited to a neutral, country minister style outfit and bare feet, trying to suggest and deity persona. When he was too ill to be involved, she suddenly showed up in a bright dress and prettied up, much like she is in her life apart from the public appearances. And, of course, the dead give away is your rant about Esther making money. I couldn't care less about the Hicks operation raking in the millions they have. I'm on record that I'd be happy if they made enough to take baths in liquified cash. It doesn't mean a thing to me personally. Ethically, I think people have an issue of their making money by perpetrating an overt scam to lead believers that they are getting advice form a group of entities with a direct connection to God. They even went to the extreme of say that Esther (not Abraham) was the same as Jesus and Buddha. That, as Clarity has pointed out, is quite another thing, and something that a conscientious individual ought to a little concerned with.By the way, I don't care about people making lots of money. It's neither spiritual nor not spiritual. How they live their lives is worth paying attention to in considering what model to use in life and what teachings to pay attention to. Esther is a narcissist in the extreme with an exceptional lack of empathy toward others. She'd fit right in with Donald Trump, except old Trump makes no bones about how he does business. The Donald never claimed to be a deity or to be anointed by one.

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          @David Stone1: Not sure what you mean by who "sent" me, I literally stumbled upon this accidentally while looking for an Abe quote on something. Their method works really well for me, so I am an admitted Abraham-Hicks fan. My bf sees value in what they teach, but is more skeptical, so we read this article.As for some specific points, I don't see the logical connection between Jerry's cancer and how that exposes...anything. And she HAS "confessed" to her husband's cancer. They don't believe in giving undue attention to something unwanted, so the way it's been handled is perfectly in accordance with that. They don't teach that you get cancer by thinking about it and that the path to wellness is to think more healthful thoughts. That is too simplistic. They teach that cancer and other illnesses are physical manifestations of long-held resistance, so the answer is to start releasing that resistance. I fail to see how Jerry being a human being like the rest of us and getting cancer contradicts their teachings?? When Esther is in a bad mood, does that contradict their teachings too? When they haven't yet manifested something they want, does that contradict their teachings? No one said they aren't human and subject to the same things that befall other humans.Also, comments like, "reinventing her Abraham persona with some new sizzle" need support. I don't understand what you mean at all, you've just said it and asked us to accept it as true.Here's more:"Jerry Hicks has been made invisible, probably because their desperate attempts at a cover-up were exposed as fakery." Jerry's been made invisible? What were their desperate attempts and how were they exposed as fakery, the spider bite thing?"Esther even went of on an Alaskan cruise with members of her cult of narcissism."She EVEN went on a cruise...? So how does that support your point, or what point are you making exactly?As for rehashed versions of their teachings, they often joke that they are giving us the same information over and over again and we keep coming back to hear it again. Their message is consistent, and if people want to keep hearing it, they will keep saying it again in new ways. How does that point to a scam? If they were adding more and more radically new information all the time, I think that would be better evidence of lower quality info and scam-like techniques.In regards to "poor Esther just trying to make a buck" that's not where I'm coming from at all. First of all, they do offer the basics of their teachings for free on their website, and then there's tons available on youtube. I have barely paid a thing for Abe-Hicks info. I think I bought one book and paid for one Abe Live seminar, and that's all I've spent in 4 years. If you want to go on a cruise or attend a seminar, yes that costs money everywhere. Should they travel around like they do, giving their time and effort away by giving free seminars? Who does that? Would you do that? And their staff should all be working for free, and the rooms they hold their seminars in should be freely available to Jerry and Esther? That's just not the way the world works. Everyone is entitled to charge money for whatever service they are providing. If you have no problem with money, there's no problem with paying money for what you want and letting others make money off of what they do. People that have hangups about money tend to think it's not spiritual to make lots of money, or it's wrong to charge money for some reason.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: You're welcome to your opinion, Chelsea, but just to clean up a couple of points, you when you guys are sent over to comment, you should try to comment on a point actually made in the lens. Otherwise, it's just confusing.Besides that, Esther Hicks does not charge $75 for a workshop. She charges $195, but she's had trouble filling the seats since the lid came off this year. I think the charged $75 for the LIVE online presentations, which is way above average for something like that, especially when the quality of the presentations were the messes they were. Finally, they were cancelled, after they made some sleazy efforts to boost ticket sales by using Jerry Hicks illness reports as a lead in. By the way, it's pretty obvious where you're coming from and who sent you when you do a pity pitch for poor Esther just trying to make a buck. She still doesn't get it.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I didn't find this convincing. I was preparing for some good point, but this felt emotionally written and biased without clear follow-up to support your arguments. Also, I think it would be worth it to examine your beliefs about money. $75 is not a lot to pay for a workshop, and charging money for your time and energy is what the whole world does, so why should Esther be exempt?

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @StaciB: It always seems to me a little odd that those who object to Esther Hicks skeptics "hear anger" or find objective analysis "vitriolic" and "hateful" as Dorothee (below) does. I'm not, but I don't see how that would have anything to do with the facts, if I was. Anger is an emotion. Facts are facts. They don't depend on each other.Far from an antithesis of what ever you think we are conditioned to believe, Esther's line is right down Main Street in the positive thinking crowd. The only difference is that Esther claims an otherworldly source for the teachings, as she calls them. I hope the mountain of evidence above makes clear that there is ample reason to believe she is a phony and that the "teachings" are close to loony at times. They are certainly narcissistic and often in direct contrast to known facts. It's nice that you can help others feel good with your own personal upbeat vibe, but this isn't anything new or dependent on Esther or Abraham. I've known people who could light up a crowd, just by walking into a room, and you could too. But understand, if you believe you need something you heard from Esther to be so empowered, you are hooked. And disabled. Of course, people can believe what they want. A-H isn't much different than most other religious movements. They have the hook of offering very simplistic solutions that appeal to younger people and others who how for an easy way to happiness. And, no question, some of what Esther sells works. But it's not original. Never was. It has just been very well marketed by Jerry. Any truth you find in Esther's teaching is something you and others already had. Keep the cash and find your own inner light. The rest of us need well-meaning people like you to get in the game and stop hiding behind channels and lucky charms. We are less than whole as long as you don't participate.

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          StaciB 5 years ago

          I hear a lot of anger. So if Abraham's teaching don't bring you peace, I wish for you something that does. The way I see it, there is an extraordinary amount of resistance to what Abraham (and others that teach similar things like Seth, Ramtha, etc.) says because it is the complete antithesis of everything we are conditioned to believe as well as what society validates and praises people for. All I know is that when I'm focused on feeling good, on experiencing joy, the value that those around me receive is exponential. And I don't have to sacrifice anything for others to benefit. What a concept.

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          David Stone 5 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Your opinions are honest and more than welcome here. Just a tip, instead of launching yet another personal attack, you might want to explain why you disagree. It's actually sort of humorous that you are so worked up that you denounce personal attacks, just as you are making one. You were so excited that, instead of being reasoned and literal as you usually are, you actually put together a wildly incoherent sentence with two "buts" in it. Sorry to disappoint you, but your line of attack is very familiar. When true believers can't reasonably respond, they get "appalled" and accuse skeptics of being "hateful." In other words, you try to deflect the conversation by making it not about the facts, but about personal motives. It's old school. Try something fresh. You know, like thinking for yourself.

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          anonymous 5 years ago

          I have been following your Anti-Esther articles and I'm really appalled by how vitriolic, peronal and hateful they get. With every new article you seem to sink deeper into this abyss of hateful thinking. I don't care what anybody believes, it's an absolutely private thing and should stay that way, but personal attacks and allegations not only on those who believe in something you don't, but also people who listen to something you don't agree with will not convince anybody of your superior motives. I personally think it is a sad example where hateful thinking gets you.

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          darciefrench lm 6 years ago

          Here's more on what I think - Esther Hicks is a false guru profiting from the enlightenment-entertainment-industry.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @Monika Weise: Thanks for the kind words, Monika. It wasn't always that way with them, but it's pretty questionable most of the time, these days. Thanks again.

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          Monika Weise 6 years ago from Indianapolis, IN USA

          Kudos to you for helping to expose a fake. This kind of scam makes me so angry, capitalizing on people's pain....

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @JakTraks: Thanks. I always seem to have a healthy supply to work with.

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          Jacqueline Marshall 6 years ago from Chicago area

          I always appreciate a healthy dose of skepticism. Excellent lens.

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          GrowWear 6 years ago

          It doesn't cost a cent to look within. Study what folks are saying, yes, but live life under, and adopt the beliefs of, a business entity? No.

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          darciefrench lm 6 years ago

          This sounds like Enlightenment Entertainment Industry stuff -:)

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          grannysage 6 years ago

          I love lenses that make you think. I have just started putting my toe into the Abraham water, because for a long time just the name turned me off. I've been frightened by the way I sound sometimes, "Abraham says." Just like people say, "the Bible says," therefore it must be true. You bring up some very good points and much to ponder. Blessed by Granny FairyAngel and featured on my FairyAngel Blessing lens.

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          Paul 6 years ago from Liverpool, England

          In the short amount of their work I managed to get through I found them a mix of coldness, inappropriate flippancy and pseudo-intellectual posturing. Readers Digest homilies indeed.

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          Kyra1985 6 years ago

          Hey Dave, just saw a critique of this article @horizonmagazine.com. Though I disagree with the writer, Andrea, on several points, I was very pleased to see your work stirring someone enough to write this kind of response. Congrats!

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          dogodor 6 years ago

          Great Lens!!!!!!!!!!

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          jackieb99 6 years ago

          Interesting stuff...so much that I didn't know before. Thank you.

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          javr 6 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

          Good balanced approach. I especially like you thought of those who attack the messenger.

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          Lee Hansen 6 years ago from Vermont

          I've not followed their work or teachings, but a family member is constantly espousing the Law of Attraction and has obviously been reading some of it. I live my life with a simple philosophy of "you get what you give" and don't put too much into the negative aspects re: disease and misfortune. I just keep on keepin' on if things go in the wrong direction.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @Heather426: I love the message tooup to a point. That point came a few years ago was Jerry edged in farther and farther. The message changed significantly to reflect Jerry's spin, shall we say. When you study the teachings for a while--and, by the way, I've even gone through the earliest recordings when Esther had a pronounced and sort of eerie accent--you see them not just evolve but become marketing vehicles. I don't care who makes money or who has it, but marketing is not truth telling, never was never will be, and that pollutes the message.

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          Heather Burns 6 years ago from Wexford, Ireland

          Very interesting, i have also wondered about the marketing aspect of what seems to be a genuine sharing of truth as the Hicks' understand it. But I still love their message.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          This is very good and straight-ward, I like that. Best wishes for the new year on Squidoo & in your life.May all good things come to those who wait. ~

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          Kyra1985 6 years ago

          @David Stone1: Yeah, he made sure to add his link to my blogs as well.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Shaw, how about reading the content of the lens before adding a hot link to your affiliate site. It helps you seem a little more credible.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Simon, it's obvious that you have noting to say on the subject. Ad supported lenses is what Squidoo primarily is, just like your local newspaper and Abraham-Hicks ad saturated home page. A common element among people who object to criticism here is that they never have any evidence to the contrary. Instead, they aim personal remarks at me as if that, somehow, refutes the facts. If I'm wrong and, of course, I could be, how about some facts. Pointing out the lenses are ad supported doesn't do much to help your argument that people aren't stupid. It pretty much undermines your claim.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          yeah abraham hicks is great, but check out manifesting abundance for more information regarding abraham hicks and the law of attraction.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          Its obvious he is just using this to make some quick bucks. If you claim that abraham hicks and esther hicks are scam, then why are you promoting their own products on amazon on squidoo knowing that you will get a cut? there is even itunes music which you will get a cut too. Sorry but people aren't stupid.

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          Kyra1985 6 years ago

          Sorry Dave, but this evolution train of thought got me thinking about another quote I heard from Abraham: "The beasts in the wild are pure positive energy" (10/24/2000 Virginia Beach, VA). Abraham makes the distinction that while humans' natural state of being is one of pure positive energy (PPE), wild animals are already there. I don't know if someone misinformed Abraham or what, but wild animals steal, murder, rape, and do heinous things that I don't even think there are human equivalents for (thankfully), so it fascinates me that Abraham would say that creatures behaving like so would be PPE. In fact, the entire animal kingdom operates in a fiercely competitive manner (ie natural selection), in the same manner as humans, so I don't see why our competitiveness or violent crimes would be any less pure and positive than those of the wild animals.

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          Kyra1985 6 years ago

          Wanted to add to the evolution bit. In their 04/19/1997 Silver Spring, MD workshop, they discuss this idea of humans not being descended from apes, and say that there isn't even a physical link between the two, which as you state, DNA clearly shows otherwise. They go on to say that "All of the species upon the planet, without exception, come forth complete and independent as perceived....You are physical embodiments of intentions that have been set forth in completion." This is a slap in the face to evolution, and surprisingly. We can actually see evolution occuring in things like fruit flies and e. coli. There isn't a question as to whether or not it's happening, so it is clear that they are not coming forth complete and indepenedent.

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          ICanCook 6 years ago

          I'm rereading Ask and It's Given at this very time but I've always felt that Abraham may well have been a creation of Jerry and Esther rather than how they describe it. I haven't read any of the other books. I am rereading it because I like the information and I simply don't care whether Abraham delivered it or it was conjured up by Esther and Jerry. The exercises are interesting and as for the rest of their stuff...well...well...

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          @David Stone1: hey Dave,nice work.lack of compassion = lack of human decency= Law of Attraction and Abraham Hicks. ex. if you feel everyone brings on bad things through thought..then you can't empathize with someone going through a hard time..you disregard their value and rights. If everyone had this mentality..the world would be a very scary place.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          I completely agree with you. As a fellow Aber I realized that Esther was a scam artist looking to not only make money, but also acquire power and followers. It's nothing short of a cult. Abers are not encouraged to critically think or question wrong doings. Instead they're promoted to accept negativity as a consequence of their thinking. There is an underlying, insidious teaching that if something bad happens...you brought it on yourself. Blame the victim. This is really horrible. Did people who died in the holocaust bring it on through their negative thoughts? No. Was it some master plan to teach humans about life and death . NO. Abraham teaches this though. Abraham is only a figment of Esther's imagination. Perhaps personality disorders or narcissism. Her lack of human empathy is scary and the disregard of sanctity of life. If you are a rape victim or victim of abuse, her teachings essentially teach that you unconsciously attracted it through law of attraction. If the world were left in Abraham's hands we'd all be blind followers, numb and about as smart and lifeless as a rock.Abraham followers need to really "wake up" and reclaim their power. There's no easy fix to the human condition. Happy thoughts won't make it go away. It's harder to realize this and this is why many people turn to Law of Attraction.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: It's not possible to respond effectively because you haven't explained what it is you think I don't understand. And you could contemplate the teachings about allowing, by the way. To each his or her own, brother.And, yes, I write a lot about Esther, Abraham and Jerry. As a writer, I try to go for what people are interested in reading, but I need to take you a step further. Not only is this my most read lens, it's also my most highly rated by readers. The same is true about my article on Hub Pages about whether Esther is faking. I get read more than any other by about two to one, but is also consistently my most highly rated hub, in spite of true believers leaking in to rate it down. Try to keep and open mind. It makes a difference.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          Just because you do not understand the teachings does not mean you have to put them down. That just REALLY shows you don't get it. But of course, putting the name Abraham-Hicks in as many times as possible, even putting in "Abraham-Hicks Music" is a good way for your blog to get read. It's probably the only way anyone will ever notice it.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @anonymous: Hi, Kyra. Thank you for the compliment. And I commisserate, having been attacked on both sides of the A-H spectrum. But you report honestly and take what comes. That's all there is, really.I'm sorry I can't help you with any of the CD's. I picked it up on a podcast, which I still have somewhere. They definitely said "old souls" in explaining why babies would come into the world with severe disabilities or even to die painfully. If your quote is correct, it would appear to be a contradiction. The idea was that these older, advanced souls were seeking more extreme experiences on the way to completion.

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          anonymous 6 years ago

          @David Stone1: Even though we don't agree on several points, you are the most open-minded Abraham listener (for lack of a better phrase) I have ever encountered. I have been attacked and insulted by many other alleged Abraham enthusiasts (I won't even get into the double-standards of the abeforum). I like the fact that this is your opinion and that you aren't just regurgitating. Thank you for sharing.Out of curiosity, did they use the exact phrase "old souls" for disabled children? In their Asheville, NC CD 10/24/2004, they said "But theres not old souls and young souls, or new souls and old souls, in anything close to the sense" Do you remember what workshop it was in? It's not important. Just wondering. Thanks again.

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          David Stone 6 years ago from New York City

          @kateloving: Any implication of questioning LOA was unintended. I'm with you on that and, in fact, Esther helped clarify things I sort of already knew and added some insights, which is why I jumped on their bandwagon right away. But that was then, and this is now. As far as I'm concerned, the lack of compassion equates to a lack of wisdom, no matter who's involved. Thanks for the comment!

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          Kate Loving Shenk 6 years ago from Lancaster PA

          I think "The Secret," in the end, was a materialistic facade. I believe the Law Of Attraction makes perfect sense, and I stand by it, but I agree, not much compassion for all the suffering in the world.

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