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was judas forgiven?
Working through all the bull!
Whether Forgiven or not
Was Judas -
Whatever you think of Judas' motives.
I too don't think he was not paying attention in class. I think he was struggling to learn it.
Much of the struggle revolved around secular or earth ways of doing things that we pick up while here in our ignorance to free us of the life we had in heaven so that it doesn't get in the way of what we need to learn here.
In answer to brotherychanan's recent answer. I don't think it was lack of faith, nor criticism as he said 'I cannot find anything wrong with this man...'.
But I also think that it would be hard to live a life in Christ, so to speak when the one thing you had to do for him was to give him back to heaven where he, and we all in some way or another belongs.
The next question therefore is do we believe Judas is bad? The answer seems to be a resounding yes. But doesn't The Master JC. make this a mute point when he said "all are bad except god alone", therefore all the appostles were born to this sin as all mankind are.
Is then the question how bad? How bad do you have to be before you become bad? The book itself says it shall have nothing to do with maths. Or something on those lines. So how do we religiously say so and so is worse than such and such? Is this for mankind to say???
So is the next question "Would we do any better?" if the playing field was even and it remained unclear what the scripture meant, and we were too young to remember or experience the asteroid that hovered over the earth in its atmosphere while slowly burning out. -or whatever it was! Would our heirarchies of today behave any better with the things they still jealously guard for themselves? I think not.
It all comes to the question, were ythe appostles workers of dark or light? Was Judas an appostle, and does that link to who he was working for? Could a dark worker have been trusted for three minutes let alone three years -as some-one said- had he been stuck in what would then have perhaps been regarded as 'an enemy camp'?
These considerations you must ponder hard before giving your answer. I look forward to reading.
- Judas the Misunderstood Disciple
So not many people these days like Judas. I mean there was the whole 30 pieces of silver thing, and the betrayal, and of course the moral obligation not to kill off the messiah... but was he really that bad of...
The Act was still Bad!
Does the fact God and Christ forgave him in their deeper understanding make what Judas did OK? Do You think it makes the act a good one? Not so, a necessary evil. And what comes from the soil can only be filled with muck!
And further still, If you drive a Ford or Vauxhall etc. Your still going to get from A to B. But somewhere in your mind Your dreaming of being able to drive a Porche or Ferrari or better yet, being driven in a Limosiene!
Is it right for Judas, having made the mistake to say If it can be forgiven it can't be that bad?
Or is it better that He seek to be a better person in future and hope that he doesn't upset his boss?
In explanation. He was invited to a person's party and allowed in to help with the business. Instead of running the business the way the Master wanted. He thought he could manipulate a situation and use it to his own advantage. He even thought he would be helping people. He would but only to become as bad or worse as their current oppressors -Therefore not really helping the 'little people' out!
So he didn't think things through, and cannot have had a proper understanding because he stole some-one elses property. It was not his to say what would or should happen! I know he was forgiven through the love of God, and I know that many people cannot in case similar happen to them and they lose their posessions. But now the subject has moved on to something else!
To conclude. If You are forgiven be thankful, and try to understand more deeply the implications of what you did. For it say's "If You can't be trusted with other people's Property in this world, no-one will trust you with property in the next. But again, we're back to my earlier argument. It had to be some-one with the lights best interest at heart. Any-one from darkness wouldn't have cared, and Our Lord would never have got to fulfill his work. Blessed is he who comes in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ the Nazareen!
I don't want to make out that the act wasn't bad. But necessary in completion of The Lords work. In that the best place to be is not this world -earth. Actually even if you happen to have it's powers, riches, fame etc. that it offers. I don't know much about those who pprefer darkness, but I feel quite strongly that Judas prefered or prefers Light in it's purest form. And his keeness to join in that one film shows he asked (I don't add which as all have something. Though not sure about the passion...) suggests he knew enough to realise that's what he wanted. But not sure his intepretaation of what it actually entails was spot on.
Which faith are you
It's hard to fathom, or notice. But the question I ask about "Was Judas Forgiven" indicates there was something that needed a judgement. To be forgiven Judas first had to be Sorry. I believe he was Sorry, one version of the film. (I forget which, but an older one that I saw) shows that the plot Judas made was to force Jesus' hand. In the hopes of freeing the Hebrews etc. from the Roman oppression. Upon finding that this was a different kind of power that isn't Jesus Christ' bag (way) at all. He realised, and the film shows, I thinkm, that he was near to him, as close as was permitted when Jesus was suffering at the hands of those brutal and disgusting Roman soldiers. It shows Jesus had Great courage to not allow himself the temptation to put a stop to it. And this was what brought strength and endurance against oppression. The worst of the worst was defeated.
Judas on the other hand had to decide which side he was really on. And realising he had been invaded by the worst of the worst decided that he would not allow himself to be a vessell for any more of darkness' tricks etc. and ended his life. (Almost Gallant! -though I do wonder whether he could've changed from that point had he been helped. But, while the children (appostles) were still feeding off the milk, they would not have been strong enough to help him at that point. Or bring him back from such a deep and personal disaster. This only God, The Most High could do!