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Trouble on the Terraces. Arsenal v West Ham at Highbury 1982. icf ?

Updated on August 22, 2015

Billowing smoke scatters the Arsenal and West Ham thugs on Highbury's North Bank.

1982 and an English football (soccer) match was not always a pleasant event to attend. It was a couple of years before Maggie Thatcher's clampdown on the activities of Soccer Hooligans and the gangs were becoming more vicious and more willing to use a frightening array of weaponry, which was only too obvious at this particular game. Arsenal versus West Ham was always likely to be a major flashpoint. West Ham had always had a large trouble making following, and had a particularly large and violent gang called the Inter City Firm (ICF), named after their fondness of travelling to away games First Class on the Inter City Trains, and were generally thought of as the top gang in the Country. Arsenal, although they had seemed to be successful in breaking free from the Skinhead element which had plagued the club in the late 60's, were not without their own violent followers, and had an up and coming young street gang known as the Gooners, a spoof name for the official club nickname of the 'Gunners'. May 2nd 1982, an hour and a half before the kick off and the fans were streaming into the ground. In the preceding years it was common practice for the ICF to march onto the North Bank, which was the Arsenal stronghold virtually unopposed, with very little resistance from Arsenal's followers. However. this year was to be different, and there was a very uneasy feeling as I stood on the North Bank on this particular sunny Spring Saturday. Having been part of the hooligan scene years before, I could tell who was who, and I could see the West Ham fans gathering on the North Bank. The Arsenal fans sensed this and attacked immediately, and their rivals were kicked and punched and quickly dispatched from the sprawling terrace, which when full could hold up to 20,000 people. As the police battled to gain control, another West Ham gang had forced their way into the middle of the North Bank and set off a smoke bomb. Clouds of thickening smoke billowed across the pitch and pandemonium broke out. The players, who had just about started the game, were led off the pitch, and panicking Arsenal fans stampeded onto it for their own safety. This left the large West Ham gang cock a hoop in the middle of Arsenal territory. There they were, the largest most vicious gang of football thugs in the country doing what they did best, bullying and taunting their beaten rivals. Only, something was wrong. Not all of Arsenal's fans had panicked, and the next thing they launched a counter attack, and probably for the first time in their lives, the ICF were on the back foot, and were brutally pushed right to the edge of the North Bank. The police desperately fought to surround the ICF for their own protection, and despite numerous attempts by the gooners to attack again, the police line held firm, and the ICF were held until the final whistle, and then escorted to safety. Sadly, this was not an end to the trouble on this particular day, and about an hour later an Arsenal fan was surrounded by a gang of West Ham thugs, and brutally stabbed to death. His killer was never caught, but folklore has it that he himself has also gone to meet his maker. It was the end of an era, and West Ham never again ventured onto Arsenal's North Bank. And in the following years, Arsenal were known to have taken liberties on West Ham's Manor, a feat previously unheard of since the old skinhead days of the late 60's. This ultimately led to several undercover police operations, and many of the main players were arrested and subsequently charged. Nowadays, thankfully the only winners on match days are the police. And premiership matches, although missing the old boisterous atmosphere, are much safer places to be, with attendances on the increase, and families very much in attendance. If you are interested in watching an Arsenal game, visit www.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-get-Arsenal-tickets-at-face-value for ideas on buying face value Arsenal tickets.

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      phil spurs old school 8 weeks ago

      skin 69

      cheers mate, sounds like it was chaos , lots of unreported fighting, that must be a first over here, turned up on mass,trying kick doors in etc. what with split at everton, the german firm that came tuff moor. looks like after decades mobs want to get away from escorts and mix it. mad days ahead. bet you lot were not expecting that. firms need to be aware of their boldness from now on.

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      Skinhead 69 2 months ago from England

      From what I saw it wasn't organised firms, mobs or ultras, call them what you like. More like a throwback to the 60's and 70's with just massive amounts of people marching about and when bumping into the opposition sporadic fights breaking out all over the place. Classic example when Cologne scored it went off all around me. Bit disappointing for me to be honest, the away fans just did what we would have tried to do and get in at any cost. Once in they just tried to have a good time. They got bullied a bit near me once they scored. As I said, disappointing. If you want to have a go at them then go up the Clock End, there were enough of them in there. Feeling a bit embarrassed and ashamed today, must be getting old.

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      phil spurs old school 2 months ago

      well it looks like this year firms from abroad getting bolder, and more up for it. seemed like chaos at your place tonight, needs nipping in bud. anyone got real facts what german mobs really got up to with your lot?

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      Skinhead 69 6 months ago from England

      Quality comment mate.

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      phil spurs old school 8 months ago

      for sure o.b be well up for this, but this game mite not come round again for long time.

      there are so many ways into Tottenham, it will go, and in the ground will be electric. we all know every loon from south will be on way, wall will have little firms all over place, we will too, plus all the nutters from surrounding area coming out to play. its always busy so sunday wont make huge diff. as MFc 85 said " getting sucked back in "

      ive not known this feel bout it since 77/78

      even the graffiti is the same as what was plastered round Tottenham that season, panorama etc. as in that early spurs book. " Tottenham boys we are here "

      we better be well aware!!

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      mustard82 8 months ago

      word is the graffiti down at millwall was actually done by west ham.

      could be bollocks, but wouldn't put it past them to stir up a hornets nest.

      4,000 millwall booked in to trot down tottenham high road

      old bill all over this I'm afraid

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      MFC 85 9 months ago

      Phil Spurs

      Well well well!!

      The only game that could really pull everyone back in! 'Wall are mobilising like I've not seen in years (And I mean years!) faces who've long since fucked it off are coming out & I suspect it's much the same for yous. Even the graffiti war has an old school flavour about it!!

      To be honest I think the real winners on the day will be Old Bill-they're the best firm in the country nowadays-although they'll have to earn their money for once!

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      MFC85 9 months ago

      Phil Spurs old school

      Well well well!!

      The only game that could really pull everyone back in! Even the graffiti war has an old school flavour about it!!

      To be honest I think the real winners on the day will be Old Bill-they're the best firm in the country nowadays-although they'll have to earn their money for once! All the old school will be out for this and I suspect it will be much the same for you lot.

      Fucking mad after all these years & a twist of fate like that draw can just suck us all back in!!

      At least the young 'uns will get to see a proper turn out for once!!

      Regards & (grudging!!) respect!!.......

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      Skinhead 69 9 months ago from England

      Should be interesting, plenty of overtime for OB

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      phil spurs old school 9 months ago

      MFC85

      well the one we all been waiting for!!

      Tottenham will be a war zone!

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      Patek 14 months ago

      There was a photo of JH was in an Arsenal programme forget what game. It was a feature on his mum, she took on borders for the club. Think Sammy Nelson was lodging there at the time. Never heard a bad word said about JH in almost fifty years of knowing OF him - from anyone, at any club.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Skin. Haven't read it but could well end up on my shopping list. GG was s naughty boy apparently ,georgie boy was Greek but that's not his nickname btw it's another one. Im strictly an 80s boy so find it fascinating about early 70s and before on a historical point of view. Specially our team.

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      Skinhead 69 14 months ago from England

      Danny

      Don't recall a GG mate, but certainly knew JH, tough and game as fuck he was. Don't know if anybody has read Charlie George's book but JH was a mate of Charlies and gets a mention. Charlie reckons that JH was a better footballer than Charlie himself, but just wasn't interested. Preferred to follow Arsenal on the terraces.

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      bob67 14 months ago

      Should get a Gooner reunion this season..

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Fred. Thanks mate. I can see you got a ton of stuff we just don't want that getting in the wrong hands do we And I know it's a bit hard saying what's what while remaining stum. Poor old Spurs last night finally playing at Wembley. There looking more and more like us well our shadow really. all the best

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      micky 14 months ago from whitechapel

      Danny

      Johnny was older than us,the north london lads knew each other,most of us were little mobs a bit younger

      I never knew him to talk to.

      We used to mainly go KingsX.Euston after games

      and charingX to beat the chavs up,Watford some times

      Luton,Trafalga Square.

      Can 't remember names but were all well known at the time we all got nicked after a liverpool cup game we chased them all over the place ended up down Pentenville Rd OB everywhere bang.

      pentenville road

      My younger brother was telling me the other day Jenkins knocked about with them B/Green.

      The only lad we run around with was a

      turkish lad George P,he came down to

      our manor looking for ICF/Mile End

      can't say to much...Think he got a long

      stretch.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Frednerk. Forgot you was around from the 70s firm. A geezer running with your firm George G. He was a lawyer but not a toff haha apparently he put Johnny on his Arse once but don't know what he did when he got up.

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      micky 14 months ago from whitechapel

      Skinhead69

      Did you know Johnny looked after Sammy Nelson

      We were about 17/18... 1970/71

      Johnny and Bonner would turn up just before the

      game started.We all followed like sheep.

      Great days.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      skinhead69. Skin I just got back from so and so on my travels. I had some interesting discussions with a fellow gooner from 70s days north bank. One of Johnny hoys lot apparently. GG do you know him. Muswell hill.

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      Patek 14 months ago

      I said that in the first instance.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Expatwhu. Well you sound as honest as the days long. I was there when we hit 5. Liam Brady curler. Magic. Think it would have been raining coins in those days.

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      ExPatWHU 14 months ago

      I moved out of London in 83 and cant comment at all about 85. I had mixed views on Arsenal, I knew some Spurs fans and occasionally went to WHL with them just for a social thing I never cared if they won or not. I was at your derby with them when you scored 5 when they came back up. I found it funny enough although no one around me on the shelf did. I always felt you took it to teams like Man U and Leeds at home and I respected them so I know you had to be good, I just never really knew anyone that was Arsenal.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Expatwhu. That sounds about right for 82. Was you also at Upton Park 85 liberties fame. . Interesting to hear your account. Who was the game geezer with the yellow polo shirt as we were getting in the side area and you followed us in.

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      ExPatWHU 14 months ago

      Randomly found this and already spent too much time reading it. I ran with West Ham from about 78-83. Went all over and joined in the fun often, far from a face but I was on nodding terms with a lot of them. If the thread keeps going I will add more, I admit our authors take some real liberties with the truth but thats what sells. As far as Arsenal in 82 I got in the NB with one other WH mate. It was like going to Chelsea, you got in and met others and gradually got into a big enough firm to actually do something. If you got sussed you got a pasting. A few offs around the NB that I remember and maybe mobs as large as 100+ of us got done but I seem to remember fewer numbers. We were in the middle near the front when the smoke bomb went off, i think to a shout of ICF but maybe thats my memory. We got caught in a surge and ended up on the track, OB took us around to the Clock End and that was all she wrote. Very sad to hear about what transpired outside, no one deserves that. I read above the guy that did it ended up in front of a train. Are you sure? I know he was a blade merchant but I heard someone else was responsible. Anyway , great reading takes me back and I can share times we got done, twice in Scotland jump out although both times by English firms.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      What do we think of Tottenham SHT. What do we think of West Ham SHT. Only kidding fellas there nice friendly clubs really. PATEK what happened to that Chelsea love inn that you started. I think it may have fell flat like CUNTHOOKS wine. Think il be sticking to a few beers this weekend.

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      Dannyregal 14 months ago

      Ok that's the way

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      cunthooks1 15 months ago

      agree with you Patek on the Chelsea thing- they turned up in huge numbers in Newcastle in 80's on at least two occasions that I can recall.Hell on all day both times. They turned up all over the north as well. Big firms to man city in promotion season 83/4. and sheff wed. they did the business as well- not just as show of pringle jumpers- they were game in my opinion. they dont seem rated on here though which surprises me but maybe they didnt do the business in London? they certainly travelled well- starting to make them sound like a good wine now, ha ha.

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      Patek 15 months ago

      I know mate.

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      phil spurs old school 15 months ago

      patek

      that changed 75 onwards

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      Patek 15 months ago

      Seems fashionable to coat Chelsea on here but over the course of thirty odd years, they're probably the best London mob, up north. Conversely, it wasn't uncommon for them to completely fail to show for derbies in the 70's. I've had the misfortune to have encountered too many psychotic Chelsea bods, to be calling them wankers. Moreover I've never known them to be as piss poor, at home, as Spurs were, in the early 70's.

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      Skinhead 69 15 months ago from England

      A bit like my team unfortunately Phil.

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      Rob old school 15 months ago

      Phil Spurs:

      Great account of our troubles that day at WH

      But it happened to us late 80s against Chelsea of all mobs, we met at Charing Cross (cracking mob) and boarded the train then pulled in at Earl's Court and people started to shout the usual off / on about 50 got off and as we walked bumped in to 200 plus Chelsea who must of thought xmas had come early, few young ones with us started to back off them it was Everyman for himself himself ......the couple hundred Spurs who stayed on train didn't find it.....find it so funny about our friends in the east who never get done!!!!

      Happy days

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Guys. Just spoke to our girl Tracey in admin on here and she reckons WHAM have been trying to sneak on here again. So beware. If anyone asks for your phone number swerve it as there probably trying to tape you up.

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      Patek 15 months ago

      Make you right on that Daniel. Take care mate.

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Patek. You also had the surinams same as like ruud gullit and rikhard. A lot of them in the dam. Do you remember van bronkhurst at the Arse he was the next generation on and half molaccan. Good player but not my cup of tea.

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Patek. Fair amount of them Dutch Jews. The blacks you saw were probably Moloccans a wild bunch at the time from Indonesia. They were like the modern refugees who got repatriated Coz the Dutch had indo as a colony. So most of them or there fathers were soilders or rebels. That's why they were up for it but mostly if the numbers suited them. But don't really remember any blacks at Ajax so could have been them.

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      Patek 15 months ago

      Were they not predominantly black Dan? Ajax. Went there once but can't recall who they were playing. Was over there for a few days and took in a game.

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Patek. Oh most defiantly. Up the gunners. Btw I used to watch Ajax back in about 87/88 only on and off

      Anyone else with some interesting overseas football tales Maybe living in a foreign city and seeing what went on. There firm were mostly coffee shop proprietors and much more chilled than us but good as gold.

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      Patek 15 months ago

      Nothing mate. I just wondered. Up the Gunners anyway.

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Patek. What's he done. Wheres he out of ?

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      Patek 15 months ago

      Dan, you familiar with Joe Chugley?

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      Dannyregal 15 months ago

      Fred. Don't tell me your another one out Chigwell way. Yeh had a ruby on Friday and then again on SaturdayThen chilled on Sunday haha. True spent few days out of London.

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      frednerk21 16 months ago

      That was a locals only pub Dan

      I think an old mate of mine might

      have it now Eddy Squires

      Bumped into him about 2 years

      ago he had a couple of pubs

      sure one was down Bancroft road.

      The pubs bit different from the old days

      we have a few mates with pubs still

      around the area.

      We live out a bit now my friday night mob

      are millwall,west ham,chelsea and the Gooners.

      I drink a lot of beer and a couple of ruby's every week

      but train a lot with my son

      so in good shape.

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Fred. The reason I asked about the bankcroft was a bird I knew was singing a few numbers on a Friday. Went down there a few times and there was a couple of big lumps in there thought one of them might have been you haha But had a few good nights in there. She belted the tunes out the old girls had a dance while I supped a few old favourites that they don't serve in the new gaffs anymore. Yeh a right old boozer and clicky as you like.

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      Skinhead 69 16 months ago from England

      Sorry, but the posts are taking ages to show up, Nothing to do with me, the problem is with hubpages. Thanks for persevering, I appreciate it.

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      Yer I know the pub Bancroft road.

      Not one for dates brain like a bagel

      We were just going through the turnstiles

      one our mob was 6ft 5ins and about 17st.

      This big ginger Man U fan came running at us

      and chinned my mate knocking him down,we were a

      little surprised and shocked,it was the days when the northbank had the away crowd at the backbit, by the shop.

      Anyway one of funnyiest thing's I have seen at a football ground.

      Our mate got straight up and steamed in at the manc

      the manc shit a brick and run,the chase went on for about 10mins all around the northbank.

      We spent the whole game looking for the geezer.

      We even went down to Euston to look for the nob.

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      phil spurs old school 16 months ago

      sos if this posts twice,real trouble getting posts on!!

      frednerk- nice one bringing up stokes famous graveyard..they did lot of hits from there..we went old 2nd div,had good row with the big fuckers.some got in their end too..we had top mob,suprised none of them ended up in their own g,yard ha

      danny--no was not at new Maldon row,but new it was on,it was our Richmond lot,they been fighting Chelsea for years local,and that sunday done a bigger Chelsea lot (nothing new)..run them round new Maldon.big respect to the Richmond boys.

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Fred. Don't ring any bells. But there were gingers on every firm. Do you know the Bancroft arms ?

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      Ginger..Danny

      A couple of his mob are well known mile end

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Fred. I'm not Bethnal but I might know your brother. I'm originally from south but back in the day every body new everybody. What was he known as ?

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      frednerk21 16 months ago

      Hi Dan

      You are same age of one of my brothers

      If you are a local of bethnal green

      you would know his mob.

      A lot of the arsenal players

      would come to us for

      in them days,

      for a little help.

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      phil spurs old school 16 months ago

      frednerk--ha, thanks for bringing up the famous graveyard at stoke, I went 77/8 .and like you years before a few got in their end,they were big fuckers, outside few rows,but we had top mob that season(2nd div). surprised none of them ended up in that graveyard for good,ha

      danny--no I never went that row at new malden...I think it was a sunday,I got fucked up with beer and birds night before...it was mainly our Richmond lot,it was personal for them,they been rowing Chelsea local for years,and they done the biz that day against a bigger Chelsea crew (again). top lads the Richmond boys, big respect!!

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Frednerk. That was 1981 down the Roman. We went down the week before and had a good nite and the following week got stopped in our tracks on the return visit so it ended up a one off. No idea who the governor who had it but was told it got turned over that nite. But bear in mind at least 4 of us on the first nite were only 15 So was pretty insignificant at the time But I could take a wild guess who the governor was.

      Phil. Did you ever take part in the New Malden offs between Chelsea and Spurs non match days at the back of the train lines open space.

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      frednerk21 16 months ago

      Phil

      Not sure what year it was(1968/73),our little mob

      were in the stoke end,we scored,we jumped up

      we were surrounded,one copper in that end it was a long time ago,all he had to say was eff off you cockney bastards,a big curly haired biker hairy chested monster came to the front,luckly one of our boys pulled out a blade

      all of a sudden a mass stampede the stoke mob shit-it

      calling the copper over,we decided it was time to go,we got out of the ground,with a big mob following us down the road,we ended up running into a dairy and began throwing milk bottles at them which drove the mob back

      We then legged it through the grave yard and back to the station.Laughing all the way back to london over the usual card games.

      Some of the thinks that went on at matches were at first just a day out,don't think we ever hurt anyone,in them days when you see a big mob coming down the road at away games a couple of the big boys would shout out don't run so you stood with them,most times it worked.

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      Skinhead 69 16 months ago from England

      I rate Jack Wilshire, probably the only Arsenal player that actually gives a fuck and will fight when it gets tough. Because of his size and style of play he's probably one of the most fouled players in the premiership and is always gonna pick up injuries. Rashford looks good and would love to see him in an Arsenal shirt but as for the rest of the England squad? A bunch of over paid spoilt pricks. If they weren't footballers then they would never get another job.

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      phil spurs old school 16 months ago

      frednerk21/skin

      great read of your trip to middlesbough! good honest account. it was agrim,nasty place to go back then,and every firm who went there always had afew hurt! never for the faint hearted.!!

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Slightly off topic. But will be honest with you. Jack Wiltshire not for me for England. Love him and one of his best fans. Said before he was picked for this tourno. Gets caught out if his runs forward and don't produce. And he can't score. Too much of a luxury for Arsenal and England and would be better suited at a better club who are stronger in different departments. But a talent never the less. He was better before they took out his aggression haha which brings me nicely back. Joking aside I was gutted for a lot of the spurs players and Thought they was well up for it. But remind me in two years time to play our best inform players in there best positions. Thought rooneys passing was very good but got caught out on occasions when he needed to tackle or when he went too far forward,just ping it about son. Ozil what a lovely mover of the ball a joy to watch. Felt sorry for de alli but he will come again and Rashford looked dangerous he could have got us really excited. If only. The moment Stirling got the penalty he should have been subbed and maybe pretty boy joe hart too. So anyway we could have some winners down our place and across the road in sunny Essex I mean Stratford. Bring it home boys. Cheerio. Btw can we have some fighting talk and not this old cobblers.

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      frednerk21 16 months ago

      Hi Danny

      The beehive roman

      was you a regular or was it a one off

      did you know who the governer was

      my family had that pub not sure of the date

      but skinhead knows my family name

      so can see it's not bull

      I will not mention names on here

      but the so called ICF never showed up around the roman and whitechaple as far as I can remember.

      The mile end mob march down to whitechaple for the FA cup final about 2,000 handed how brave first time ever.

      If you was on the march hammer/mile end

      we was outside the beggers dressed in arsenal flags

      8 of us ok you could have killed us but......

      You lot knew You would have to hide every effing day

      when the game was over...true yer

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      phil spurs old school 16 months ago

      all ok this end.

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      Skinhead 69 16 months ago from England

      No problems my end at the moment. Don't know if it's just you Bob, or everyone. Had a few of your posts appear this morning. Hopefully everything is ok again. Can someone let me know if it's ok again.

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      bob67 16 months ago

      Don't know blank screen when I type.

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Bob. What's happening mate.

      Test post

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      bob67 16 months ago

      Blank screen when I write.. Anyone know what's going on.

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      bob67 16 months ago

      Something wrong cant see what I'm writing but it comes up 5 minutes later.. Skin do you know what the problem is

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      bob67 16 months ago

      No mate from Islington but have arsenal mates from east London.

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      Bob67 are you from whitechaple,

      Did you drink in the beggers,

      It's not easy talking when respecting people from the past who have moved on to more sensible lives.

      We done it for a laugh,but we meet a lot after match days who wanted revenge in a big way.

      We were a mixed mob on our manor so never got into the

      the hooligan stuff with spurs and mile end.

      The funny thing when we bumped into spurs mob the top man would holding his troops back and we bumped into the mile end mob we just walked past each other.

      My family are all millwall even the wife.

      We took a right hiding donkeys years ago,a lot of us went to the england U/23 V england 1st's Highbury 1968 ,Millwall took a huge mob that night,Alex Stepney remember him,was the reason.

      We had some good fighters with us that night mostly from boxing familys but only 15/16 year olds,so a bit out of our league.

      Gets to liverpool street about a dozen get on giving it the millwall stuff,a few words and our mob went at it we were having a great punch up till the train got to Aldgate east

      and the big mob came flying through the doors,not sure what the others told there parents when they got home,all of us got wacked.

      We wised up after that.

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      bob67 16 months ago

      Cant remember the exact year when we had it with wall but we had the bigger numbers. They were shocked, also 3 west ham went pass in a black cab and started shouting out the window at r...i. It was our day.

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      Skinhead 69 16 months ago from England

      Re the Boro cup game in 77, like I said the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's were well and truly over and Arsenal's credibility on the terraces was probably at it's lowest ebb. Having said that we certainly took a good following up there and made an effort. Right from the off as soon as the first trains arrived running battles ensued and lasted throughout the day and became increasingly more intense after the game had finished and Arsenal fans had to fight their way back to the station. Have to admit that I didn't see anyone without coats or trainers although it wasn't a pleasant ride and we certainly suffered some casualties, mostly from long range missiles rather than hand to hand fighting. During the game I've never seen so many bricks bottles etc flying between the two sets of fans, and the police dragged a cricket sight screen between us to try and curtail it. Two things stand out. Firstly, about 15 to 20 Arsenal fans got into the home end before kick off and ran all the boro fans, I swear it's true, the whole lot of them panicked and ran. Although it sounds impressive all of Boro's main lads had gone in the opposite end next to the Arsenal section to have a go, and I'll put it in record as saying that there main lot would have murdered us had they been up there. But the 15 to 20 didn't know that when they went in so fair play, I'd call that a result. The other thing that sticks out is that an Arsenal fan got a dart smack in his eye during the missile throwing and I hope I'm right but I don't think he suffered any permanent damage. So all in all I'd say Boro edged it, but considering our standing at the time I'd say it was a fucking good show on our part.

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      Bob67

      When was the ruck at the beggers with wall

      my little mob got chased out of whitechaple a couple of times but they never came out to the market for a straight.

      We were always outnumbered.

      I lived across the road and grew with most of the beggers boys.

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      It was effing freezing ,sheepskins were what a lot wore,

      in them days up north was third world.

      We never spoke that much to other Arsenal mobs,

      so never had a clue.The london mobs stood out.

      The only time the Arsenal mobs were a big group

      was when the shout went up"All Together"

      We never got in the ground early,a lot of away supporters

      would be up the back or if a bit brave or ignorant would stand behind the goal,as I remember plenty of mobs were up for it.

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      Dannyregal 16 months ago

      Fred's. Sounds as funny as fuck. Bet you was pissing yourself seeing all these gooners taxed what was the story there? Who did it and what kind of clobber did they lose in 77. And the socks as well,did just they take them off themselves to just go native haha.

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      micky 16 months ago from whitechapel

      Thanks Danny/Skinhead

      Our little crew come from whitechaple,bethnal/stepney green.

      In our day the north bank was the place to stand,always behind the goal.

      Ware ever we went trouble more often than not happened.

      The Boro game 1977 cup tie surprised us a bit The Arsenal took a lot up their, trains were packed.

      Inside the ground there were a lot of Boro boys throwing all sorts of stuff at us but every time we run at them the gaps came.

      Outside on the way back to the station we were on our own,we turned a corner and about 200 Baycity Rollers fans (Boro) we were laughing so much till the charge at us began,we bombed it to the station a lot of The Arsenal were hanging around so we had a bit of back up,but the baggie jean Boro fans run off .

      We got to Kings X looked around to see who was getting off,half the Arsenal fans walking down the platform had no shoes or socks on....plus most had no coats.

      Were you one of those that got mugged.

      Funny reading a lot of the comments on the 1982

      we new all the Mile end mob a lot of them came from big familys these were the little brothers of them,one or two could have a straight the rest were rent -a -mob if I could tell you the nick names of some you would know what I mean.

      We done a lot of running around Euston and X but got nicked to many times.

      Most of our trouble came at Whitchaple we never wore scarfs West ham and Millwall coming back from games were always changing trains when we got home.

      To us it was always a laugh.

      Someone mentioned on here about the geezer with tinted glasses(Spurs)

      He was one of my best mates in them days really good street fighter and top boy at the lane.

      In them days we took Spurs,West Ham and Chelsea who were nothing then.

      We all kept our distance in them days when we bumped into each other was as if football teams never existed.

      Just wanted it known The Arsenal had a good group around East London,back then.

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      Skinhead 69 16 months ago from England

      Was at the Boro cup game, but the glory days of the late 60's had long gone by then. Even so Arsenal took a big following up there and put on a half decent show. I'll stick a post up at the weekend.

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      Dannyregal 17 months ago

      Fed nerk. Apologies that no ones got back with a reply. Sure skin or even p.goonboy might have Been there. Before my time as my awaydayz started in 79. Think everyone's gone a bit shy on here or maybe Coz it's all gone Pete tong around us. Brexit and euros. Don't hit the bottle and talk us through that day's events in 77.

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      micky 17 months ago from whitechapel

      Sorry Boro v Arsenal cup game 1977 by train

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      micky 17 months ago from whitechapel

      Did anyone on here go to Boro cup game 1977

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      cunthooks1 17 months ago

      Yes we've had a bit bovver with you at KX but I don't think there's that much animosity between us and you- I was at semi and the year before we had shef. utd at O.T and we had a really big mob out for them as they thought they were the real deal- they wern't =- we'd taken probably our biigest firm for ages in a league game at B. LANE in 1994- we had a good 500 easy and no hangers on- they came down , saw the mob and fucked off- same in 98 in semi- we'd arranged it with them- we had four bars chocca and they all turned phones off!!! back to the issue at hand. I think it stems from a rivalry- and it was a rivalry with West Ham and Chelsea- a real hatred developed-yes because of the petrol in 1980/81 v west ham and Chelsea we always had the whole town out- as an eleven year old boy I saw them attacked from three sides on the march to the ground- The Waterloo/ the star and the bar at the bottom of westgate rd(now tilleys) simultaneous. Chesea cut a load of scarfers up outside the farmers rest pub in 83 and it went from there (we did well up there against the geordies!!that's what they wrote in their stupid diaries- if only they said it was against two lads who wern't looking for trouble) in saying that I do respect Chelsea as even as a young lad I remember them taking thousands up to newcastle- 5,000 on a couple of occasions and they were very game by all accounts. I was too young in 81/83 but was at the games and witnessed a lot of hand to hand fighting with no holes barred. Ive got a soft spot for Spurs- I went to a couple of home games in 80's- my Millwall supporting pal had previously been a spurs fan - oh the fickleness of youth, lol lol- interesting point- I was in the shelf in 85 v Liverpool (3-1 to liverpool?) and my pal had a blue t-shirt on with horizontal stripes on it- we were only 14/15 and this bloke asked him if it was a Chelsea shirt and that it better hadn't be, lol Me pal (jf rip) nearly shit himself but it just shows that Chelsea were a big rival with Spurs- the shelf were actually singing more anti chelsea songs that day which surprised me. but yea, Spurs- them and Millwall Ive always like due to my best pal down there and I know Spurs have had some really good mobs over the years but imo that T.T made a bit of a cunt of himself but that's an outsiders point of view so may be wrong. NUFC.

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      cunthooks1

      I was at game,and yes you had great turn out .After the match you had afew small mobs around plus 100,s of shirt wearers everywhere ,we had it with one crew on high road and with a diff group who may of come in vans? up near broadwater farm. there were little rows all over including some scarfers v scarfers! your small groups were getting a bad time, it was very manic outside ground. when you firmed up proper it was very game firm,ob were everywhere making it harder for full scale battle,but credit due best firm ive seen of yours.!!

      to be honest never been that much between us two,i was not at 88/9 match so cant comment. we have had few offs with you around kings cross over the years. also at semi-final at old Trafford I was in a small to small row by sam platts pub,i took an almighty dig in that one...

      bit mad really we have tended to focus more on your 2 neighbours for some reason, not through worry or anything. where everyone who knows-should know there is always a good row waiting in Newcastle if you want it!!

      tough city!!

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      cunthooks1 17 months ago

      aye, cheers mate. Yes we had a very good mob out that day- a lot of lads working the markets down there joined up with us- probably the best in quality weve had since possibly Feynoord away in champions league (always room for a couple of pissed up lads as well- its a long way down to Ilderton from Newcastle ha). I was at yours late on in the 92/3 season as well- we had a canny day the lads I was with- smaller groups- a lot of ours gone done but personally speaking we did very well that day. There were Millwall pulling our lads out of the sunroofs that day after match - they were the unfortunate ones, ha ha- but if you knew the score you realised that it was an occupational hazard down your way. The spurs game- yes, intersting one that- It was the 85/6 season 5th round of F.A cup- im honestly surprised more isn't made of this - I was not there- ironic as I lived in Redhill but got captured trying to get out of school grounds with a Millwall supporting pal (jf rip). Obviously Ive heard a lot of first hand accountd and yes there was a mob of a bout 5/600 down(out of a support that day of anything up to 15,000) seven sisters that was spread out and from what Ive been told preety much took liberties- polis getting pulled off horses the lot- I know a lot of straightheads got done in outside ground after match and its hard to pull the lads together in chaos that goes with a massive crowd like that with spurs polis hitting owt that moved. Ive spoken to a lot of spurs in intervening years and they reckon they did a lot of smaller mobs in( a good pal of mine wound up inside someones living room after being chased!!) but that mob that got together took it to everyone on the long walk back to the station by the many accounts ive had from the numerous lads that were there that day. Spurs overall never came up yo Newcastle in my memory. They brought some decent looking lads in the 88/9 season - gazza's return but never fancied it when challenged up barrack road or afterwards when they were politely asked to take a right turn whilst leaving ground. They were meant to have land with T.T leading them in a cup game a few years back and kicked it off on the concourse straight after game which was daft as there's cctv all over the ground but there were meant to be some handy looking lads that day but never really seen them up at ours. Only Chelsea,Millwall and West Ham regular in late 70's and early 80's are rated up here,( as far as london clubs are concerned) apart from a decent mob of Arsenal who came up in 88/89 and scattered a small mob outsider station (inc. yours truly) who deserve credit and Newcastle took good mobs to theirs in return throughout 80's from what ive both heard and witnessed first hand on some occasions.

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      MFC85 17 months ago

      Cunthooks

      No I wasn't there but I am well aware of that incident, simply because it went down in legend at 'Wall. The ones who were there are known simply as 'The 28' because as you correctly assume that's how many of them went on a suicide mission up to the north east and managed to get a result-who dares wins and all that. I've often seen many a Geordie refer to it on forums over the years and every one of them have told the same story as you so big respect to you lads.

      I remember the 4-0 at ours and yea you lot had a solid 300+ walking down from New Cross, I remember 10 of us being outside the crown and anchor on New Cross Rd about 10 mins before kick off when a lone Geordie appeared from no where, obviously strayed too far from your main mob and lost his bearings, it soon became apparent why...... I can honestly say I've never seen anyone so drunk in my life-football or otherwise-he genuinely didn't know what day of the week it was. He mumbled something about 'cockney bastards' then picked up a plant pot and tried to swing it but ended up doing a full circle before passing out comatose on the floor, covered in soil and tulips, we didn't know what to do with the mad fucker so just left him asleep. I often wonder what happened to him.

      As an aside I also remember being in a black cab going down Euston Rd late 80s when Newcastle were at Tottenham in the FA cup and seeing a absolutely huge mob of NUFC heading over white hart lane, must have been 5-600 easily. I bet there was some fun and games up seven sisters Rd that day, that mob would've took some shifting I can tell you that.

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      cunthooks1 17 months ago

      mfc 85: were you amongst the group of lads that charged out of central station ear;y in 89/90 season up at St James'? I was at the top of pink lane which is the little alley way left of what would have been yates' wine bar. Some mob you had there that day mind- quite a few out cold outside the bar half way up the st. not ashamed to say that me and me little pal scattered that day- there was about twenty/thirty tops I would say- then ventured straight to bigg market. we'd had a very good mob out at yours previous season (old first div lost 4-0). a good 300 down the okr largely unchallenged before game.boro played Arsenal I think that day and there were fun and games at kx after game. ironic as when I lived down there my best pal was Millwall- jf r i p and I went to couple of home games with him- Stevie lovell et al. lol loved their passion for the game , reminded me of home. NUFC.

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      Dannyregal 17 months ago

      Park lane. A long time ago, All the best.

      Bob. You mentioned the Roby. Did I miss something. Think we agree ,all enjoy a blast from the past.

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      philspurs old school 17 months ago

      bob 67-ta man

      west London-maybe people mite have thought why ive mentioned your defeat at new cross a lot in past posts, now you know!! it was reverse of what you done to us. to us it was almost a silent victory even though wall done it..and to the rest of London it was what we been waiting for,as we knew it would hurt deeply!! your usual tatics of surprise were shattered that day and it proved you were not invincible...even if it a one off them days....of course you tried to put it right,london bridge etc, but for once someone got in your heads,big style.....sometimes one row out of so so many back then stays for ever......oh they were the days.

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      westlondonhammer 17 months ago

      yep,good honest account phil. happaned too us at millwall. the week after we went london bridge. only about 30 of us, tooled up,. say no more as i will get coated off......will say 70-80 wall didnt want to run

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      mfc85

      nice one fella,it has to be told,even in writing the bad memories of that day flooded back.in spurs past that's got to be the biggest fuck up, to others it may sound like just another row,but anyone in London who was involved them days will understand the meaning it had! we went to break the phyci they had on us and ended up broken..and so it remained for years..in later years we turned it round and we became more organized and had good results with them.

      at the time we would take fearless mobs to arsenal/Chelsea etc, cause myhem up north and in Europe,but them east end lot had the edge if we all liked it or not!! gooners turn it round abit after j.d (rip),but more away from football, we all have to be true to ourselves on here,if not we are only mugging ourselves and people reading..

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      bob67 17 months ago

      Nice one phil

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      MFC85 17 months ago

      Phil Spurs old school-cracking read that fella. What a line that is 'just shows if you made mistakes at West Ham early 80s you paid the price' Bang on that mate.

      This is why I don't understand authors/posters who just talk about battering everyone everywhere, after the third or fourth one you start to smell bullshit. Every mob has been ironed out at some point over the years, everyone.

      Next time I read one of Phil's posts of Spurs doing bits I know I can believe it cos he ain't afraid to talk about when the cookie has crumbled the wrong way. The way it should be.

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      dan-cheers man, I kept it short really,you wont read them reasons in any book,no one mention fat boy,people further down the train would not even of known he was the one shouting it!,off and on the train was only seconds..but you still would of thought we all would ave charged out there and then...even wh thought it was joke at first when the under 5 told them we were there..you did not get many chances down there,and fucking hell did we have the chance, ok if we had not been sussed we mite have still done the biz that day,no foe with tools...but we did not.simple....very much like wh show up at wall that day,small group of loons with tools fuck up big numbers....fat boy got away with it,,i raised few times but it got left,,politics and stuff...but he knew I knew what a prick he was (not forgetting his highbury fuck up) and he kept out my way...so if you reading this--you know who you are,hows tooting?

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      Dannyregal 17 months ago

      Philspurs. Good authentic read that. Never read any of those books so first time read of that day for me

      Liberating to say your bit. Hope fatso got reminded a few times.

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      Dannyregal 17 months ago

      "What we wish,we readily believe,and what we ourselves think,we imagine others think also."-

      Gaius Julius Caesar

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      part 2----we arrived at east ham,start moving through the streets,i could not stop thinking we were 60 seconds away 5 mins ago,now we got to start again.as we turned into one of the side roads there were a handful of wh at the bottom,whatever,don't forget theres 150 of us,some of the young lot could not wait and went ahead,nx thing theres 30 of wh charging with loads of tools,including some of their main boys,they had raided a hardware shop,they had all sorts we did not expect that,they sussed us,they fucking knew(oh I wonder why),panic set in at front,people getting bashed & cut & trying to get away,running back into us,see one lad get broom over his head,my mate got cut in legs,we got pushed back,fucking crazy.!!nx thing old bill all over,rounding us up,30 tooled up wh win the day,and we had not even made it to round the ground..it soul destroyed us,lots of lads just went home...and some to hospital.i went match and it was the worse I ever felt at football,they had done our heads in,and they were rubbing it in big time.afterwards nothing happen of note,just few under fives pestering,,mouthing off bout east ham.

      ALL because we went east ham,so it turned out they had 20-30 about that morning and it was early,the lad on the platform told them we go east ham,you know the rest, they even said after, that we would ave done the biz if we come out as planned,!!!!!!it would ave been a game changer in our heads.....,plus it was the talk of London,fucking show up...after all that,early start etc,I know that for all of us there that day,it stayed in our heads for years.

      all because big mouth plastic top boy screaming go east ham...why other lads down the train including couple of our main players did not get everyone off,i don't know. .....just go to show,if you made mistakes at west ham early 80,s you pay the price.

      some days you win some,some days you lose some,

      and some days are fucking NIGHTMARE

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      westlondonhammer 17 months ago

      nice phil, good to here someone view thats thats sounds legit. and no eff this and cnut that.

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      west London-the guy done book (Tottenham boys we are here) as a university course,he was not a chap,he was running round with us 77/78 in 2nd div..taking pic through all the madness,only few copies went on sale in localnews agents,worth a fortune if you can find it now.he was fearless,remember seeing a brick miss him by an inch at wall 77,he did not flinch and carry on snapping away.

      dan-was I a punk rocker,you aving a laugh...

      p.s part 2 coming soon when I can see my posts getting through or not.

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      cunthooks1 17 months ago

      Might want to put the payet request on hold mate. He's away to real Madrid by all accounts.

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      westlondonhammer 17 months ago

      phils sweet. skin i will take a west ham shirt with payet on it! here he comes MR gangster face. it all yours. waiting........

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      phil spurs old school 17 months ago

      skin my comments not coming on or days late,whats happning fella??

      and I will pass on prize...but at least the thought was there! ha

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      Skinhead 69 17 months ago from England

      Dave Monks, nobody has been blocked mate. All your posts seem to be showing on my account.

      Phil, ok mate you get a prize for the 500th post. A West Ham shirt ok for you?

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      phil spurs old scool 17 months ago

      test post.....big trouble getting comments up

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      cunthooks1 17 months ago

      To any West Ham lads on here- what is the true story behind the ferry incident with Man U? Ive heard a man u(several) perspective so would be nice to hear other side. Incidentally- Irvine welsh gives the incident a nod in his book "skagboys" (cracking read but off topic) which I found interesting. I know Irvine Welsh was meant to be a lad so it was maybe his way of paying homage to the incident? what's the crack then lads?

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      Dannyregal 17 months ago

      Just heard that there's one place going on the upcoming gangster book launch and talks with celebrity hooligans included. You made it. Now f k off. Thanks for participating