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Trouble on the Terraces. Arsenal v West Ham at Highbury 1982. icf ?

Updated on August 22, 2015

Billowing smoke scatters the Arsenal and West Ham thugs on Highbury's North Bank.

1982 and an English football (soccer) match was not always a pleasant event to attend. It was a couple of years before Maggie Thatcher's clampdown on the activities of Soccer Hooligans and the gangs were becoming more vicious and more willing to use a frightening array of weaponry, which was only too obvious at this particular game. Arsenal versus West Ham was always likely to be a major flashpoint. West Ham had always had a large trouble making following, and had a particularly large and violent gang called the Inter City Firm (ICF), named after their fondness of travelling to away games First Class on the Inter City Trains, and were generally thought of as the top gang in the Country. Arsenal, although they had seemed to be successful in breaking free from the Skinhead element which had plagued the club in the late 60's, were not without their own violent followers, and had an up and coming young street gang known as the Gooners, a spoof name for the official club nickname of the 'Gunners'. May 2nd 1982, an hour and a half before the kick off and the fans were streaming into the ground. In the preceding years it was common practice for the ICF to march onto the North Bank, which was the Arsenal stronghold virtually unopposed, with very little resistance from Arsenal's followers. However. this year was to be different, and there was a very uneasy feeling as I stood on the North Bank on this particular sunny Spring Saturday. Having been part of the hooligan scene years before, I could tell who was who, and I could see the West Ham fans gathering on the North Bank. The Arsenal fans sensed this and attacked immediately, and their rivals were kicked and punched and quickly dispatched from the sprawling terrace, which when full could hold up to 20,000 people. As the police battled to gain control, another West Ham gang had forced their way into the middle of the North Bank and set off a smoke bomb. Clouds of thickening smoke billowed across the pitch and pandemonium broke out. The players, who had just about started the game, were led off the pitch, and panicking Arsenal fans stampeded onto it for their own safety. This left the large West Ham gang cock a hoop in the middle of Arsenal territory. There they were, the largest most vicious gang of football thugs in the country doing what they did best, bullying and taunting their beaten rivals. Only, something was wrong. Not all of Arsenal's fans had panicked, and the next thing they launched a counter attack, and probably for the first time in their lives, the ICF were on the back foot, and were brutally pushed right to the edge of the North Bank. The police desperately fought to surround the ICF for their own protection, and despite numerous attempts by the gooners to attack again, the police line held firm, and the ICF were held until the final whistle, and then escorted to safety. Sadly, this was not an end to the trouble on this particular day, and about an hour later an Arsenal fan was surrounded by a gang of West Ham thugs, and brutally stabbed to death. His killer was never caught, but folklore has it that he himself has also gone to meet his maker. It was the end of an era, and West Ham never again ventured onto Arsenal's North Bank. And in the following years, Arsenal were known to have taken liberties on West Ham's Manor, a feat previously unheard of since the old skinhead days of the late 60's. This ultimately led to several undercover police operations, and many of the main players were arrested and subsequently charged. Nowadays, thankfully the only winners on match days are the police. And premiership matches, although missing the old boisterous atmosphere, are much safer places to be, with attendances on the increase, and families very much in attendance. If you are interested in watching an Arsenal game, visit www.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-get-Arsenal-tickets-at-face-value for ideas on buying face value Arsenal tickets.

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      Supermac 

      2 months ago

      Think thats scotch mist mate

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      Bob67 

      3 months ago

      Good to see people still coming on this site

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      Supermac 

      3 months ago

      Hi guys Sonofagunner Mh Skin it looks like this is our only hub as i didnt manage to open a new one for now

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      Son Of A Gunner 

      3 months ago

      Have lots to say when Skin posts again.

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      Skinhead 69 

      3 months ago from England

      Try another hub mate. I'll have a look and try and contribute.

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      Supermac 

      3 months ago

      Mh my last post didnt go up either and i got a feeling i saw the ones skin just pasted already and theres some more gone a stray basically i said is it worth opening up a new hub on here because its easy or would we have the same probs Is it worth a try

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      Skinhead 69 

      3 months ago from England

      Originally posted by MH. Supermac,this hub pages site is a load of shit,at least 3 of my comments have been deleted or just haven't been put up so last words from me which probably won't be seen.

      I have not been on any of the TR,EDL,FLA marches though I do agree with everything they say and do,they are the only real resistance we have to the islamification of G.B.

      When do we ever hear Hindu's,Jews or Buddhists say over and over that they will take over within 20 years ?,never,only the muslim scum make their real intentions known,this dole scum vermin come over here and our government pays them in benefits ,grants and free housing to take over large parts of our cities,wtf is going on ?.

      I wonder why our government want a full take over by the muslims,maybe its because all the judiciary,police,media,house of commons and lords are all dirty fucking nonces like the muslims and they want them to take over so they have a green light to rape kids with no comebacks from the law.

      Take care mate.

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      Skinhead 69 

      3 months ago from England

      Originally posted by MH. Supermac-yes mate I'm 58,went to my first game at Highbury in 1967 and I was brought up around Hoxton.

      True that the old gooner mob did usually behave and rarely took liberties,the coolest and best dressed mob in the u.k,they wasn't loud or anything and tried to keep it all under the radar hence no books or interviews etc whereas almost everyone else were loud as fuck muggy yobs,smashing trains up,attacking straight goers and shirts,stabbing people and generally attracting too much attention from the ob and tabloids.

      What would you do if some cunt bottled your daughter?,me if I find them I'd put the cunts in a box with no hesitation,I'd even do it in front of ob and I could not give a flying fuck about getting life for it but if I have to go knocking down doors looking for people I'm coming heavy,blow torch,pliers,cattle prod and everything.

      Funny how gooners can sort things out at Highbury and keep the mugs away like the national front in the late 70s but

      them yids and their 'superfirm' can't straighten out their flat cap bouncy arm waving bottle throwing crack head mob,or maybe this 'superfirm' couldn't give a fuck about women and kids having their faces opened up with broken bottles because they deserve it as they had the front to go to a game the lane?,muggy yid cunts.

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      Skinhead 69 

      3 months ago from England

      Originally posted by MH. Any West ham here remember when Cass and a transit load of icf turned up at the Adelaide to sort a problem out but had to fuck off lively when Scotty put it on Cass and Cass shit himself ?,that long streak of piss was found out to be just a bully,he didnt fancy a straightener with someone he knew would embarrass him.

      Rumour has it the fellas in the van were heavily tooled up,obvs didn't have the bottle to use them because they knew the favour would have been returned x10.

      I heard that a certain bod over Wall went to Plaistow and pulled up Gardner for a straight one and he shit it too-doesn't say much for West hams so called top boys does it?,I mean,even Gardener himself says he's never been done going football,my arse,he was ok slapping kids about,Wall turn up unannounced and he's crying for his mum.

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      Skinhead 69 

      3 months ago from England

      MH, I'm gonna try one more thing. I can see a few posts that I believe may have been deleted (not by me I hasten to add). I'm gonna copy and paste them and try and post them under my name but put ''originally posted by MH'' If this fails then there's not a lot I can do, and your'e right, I think it'll be time to call it a day.

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      Supermac 

      3 months ago

      Mh Thats disappointing as i missed a good read if they have all been deleted I was looking at opening another new hub on here as its easy to do but it will probably have the same probs is it worth a try !

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      Supermac 

      3 months ago

      Mh That was the easiest buck i ever made You can smell it out At our time of life Or a simple test usually does the trick Anyway lets have a few real stories that have never been wrote about or we might as well close this hub

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      park lane 

      3 months ago

      All the best M.H.

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      M.H 

      3 months ago

      Supermac,bingo haha.

      Park lane,I had a look at the under the radar site,its a 'football lads' site which we need to register an email address,a site like that is going to be heavily monitored,its bad enough on here with all the suspicious 'moderating' going on by unknown persons other than the author Skinhead 69 so I'm giving it a miss as we can't chat anywhere online with our hands over our mouths like we can face to face,even if we use an i.p blocker they have ways round that.

      See you all in the trenches when we start to take our country back from the vermin,hope its soon.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      It was always odds on hope you backed it

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      Mh you could be right As for the marches i went on a meet but luckily enough there was no march that day so only the drink a good day was had for a catch up Well it is football people mostly and the march would of been a little but too much exposure for my liking

      Is there any better places for a chat then as if your posts dont get through !

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      That is T robinson just incase your half asleep Btw im taking odds on who will be next to join us as in what team why you got a better idea ! But im guessing someone else is reading unless you scared them off

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      Hi guys just signed in and everythings up so fine Im glad i got to read the full version as otherwise whats the point Mh question for you was you on any of the TR marches or meet ups To be honest im not buying completely whats your take.

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      Skinhead 69 

      4 months ago from England

      No problem mate. I've got 10 of your posts showing, and 7 from Supermac. I hope nothing's been deleted without my knowledge.

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      Skinhead 69 

      4 months ago from England

      M.H calm down fella, I ain't deleted anything. Have a go at putting the 2 deleted comments up again mate. I'll watch out for them and try and make sure they don't get deleted. Sometime HubPages has a mind of it's own I'm afraid.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      Also remember a lot of the FV was about protecting your manor and not letting anyone take liberties So your last comment admits too wanting to give it bad to anyone who misbehaved even though your prob in your 50s or 60 So you see its a debatable subject and arsenals hoolie firm was probable one of the more respectable groups back in the day from what i saw So are you for retaliation and honour or not Its a fine line

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      Mh thats an interesting line about the divide and conquer routine you mention from the big brother . I know theres no one else replying so until such times as they do i will do my best Its a pity theres not more bods on here as your posts deserve attention

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      M.H 

      4 months ago

      I forgot to to say RIP John Dickinson and every other poor soul who lost their lives over a stupid game of football-the young kid at Birmingham when Leeds visited,Heysel,Hillsboro,Bradford,Istanbul and everywhere else.

      I never knew John but I hear that he was a decent chap and not a regular gooner firm member,like myself.I had the odd row at home games and local derbies but was never into it to the extent some of you were,a few pals of mine were involved regularly so I knew a few faces by association,it just didn't interest me that much as I had something most of you lacked-sense,and I had priorities.

      Unite and fight the real enemy islam and the state that is shafting us all in favour of that scum,not each other,I always felt fv was some kind of divide and conquer program by big brother.And fight for your family to give them the best,that means hard graft-by any means,we all may have had a shit upbringing on some decrepit inner London council estate but that's no excuse,anyone can move up in the world with a little savvy and graft.

      If my words don't convince all the retards then try some medication,start with horse tranquilizers and work your way up until you stop feeling the need to attack people who are just like yourselves and hurting innocent bystanders who just happen to want to go and see a game of football in the process,as for all the fucking idiots who like to throw bottles at women and kids in escorts on their way out of whl-any decent Spurs fan would have sorted that lot out by now ffs because I swear if any of those missiles hit my kids I'd be paying the yids 'top boys' a home visit with the heaviest and nastiest bunch of people you have ever seen in your lives,trust me on that.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      MH yeh i know you didnt put anyone fully named up No it wasnt taf and i didnt know him It was Glen P him and his lot were def in the thick of it way back and a big turn out over east

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      M.H 

      4 months ago

      I heard about Taffy,never knew the fella personally,we're old foes from way back but I thought it was last year he died ?,I may be wrong though,time plays tricks on us old uns nowadays.

      I didn't put any full names of people involved back then so I'm definitely not putting any up who are about today am I,people itk know who I'm talking about.Also Scott and Tommy are 2 of the very few chaps I had any kind of respect for back then,stand up fella's as they say.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      The reason i said that was you already had put a few names But the actor fella i will have to check up on as never heard that to that level Did you know the hammer who this year had a big funeral was well liked

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      M.H 

      4 months ago

      Supermac,I ain't putting any names up on here but lets just say that 2 of the ex-icf fella's I know would go through the whole lot of any new breed football firm on their own in 30 seconds flat,10 will hit the deck unconscious,if they have the minerals to stand,the rest would run,I guarantee you that-one did a long stretch and he is very well known,the other is an actor and ex boxer,both lumps who think the same as me about muggy hooligans.

      Over and out.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      MH going by the timeline on here it hasnt seen a soul in 6 months and before than 10,14,17 months since any comments so just me and you kid But to be fair your points seem reliable enough suppose im a bit like you really So it stands up So who were your buddies over west ham Any loveable rogues small world

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      M.H 

      4 months ago

      I haven't read any of those fv books supermac,I've got better things to do with my spare time,and what I've written you probably won't see in any of them books.I ain't glorifying anything I've done in the past where fv is concerned nor do I respect ANY of these current football hooligan clowns,all arseholes as far as I'm concerned but crack on if your involved or just trying to make yourself feel better by reliving the past.

      I just find it laughable that most people on here are actually proud of being a complete fuckin idiot for most of their adult lives and feel the need to tell the world about it.I came across a link for this thread on an Arsenal board while reading about the 1980 f.a cup against west ham and just wanted to put my view of all that fv bollocks on here.

      I'm just saying from my experience 99% of football hooligans are cowards who wouldn't last 20 seconds in a straightener with a proper trained fighter,even with their blades,and most of them were just posers who were onlookers in the days when it really kicked off at football and never threw a punch in their lives,there were loads of them over Arsenal back in the day,you were probably one of them.

      I won't say no more on this subject,I've already wasted enough time on here and if you don't get the point I'm making then I pity you all.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      MH Its funny though no matter how clued up anyone is supposed to be they all end up on here to put the record straight But you seem a straight up kind of chap or maybe you just read a lot of books

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      M.H 

      4 months ago

      To be fair West ham had a fair few proper game heads who would never swerve a straightener with anyone,I've been pal's with a few since the late 80's when we dropped out to do other more worthwhile things rather than making fv a career choice like all the other mongs,we all agreed on one thing,we would rather sacrifice doing a few years bird in the process of earning readies than for a punch up over the football,there had to be something not right with if you were still throwing right handers or bouncing up and down shouting ''come on you cunts'' on street corners with your little firm in your late 20s,the proper chaps had nothing to prove,they had their laugh and moved on.

      Only a coward and a nobody craved the acceptance and attention of his mates over football in his late 20s and 30s,and you have to be a complete no mark to carry on into your 40's and 50s,99% of you can't have a row to save your lives anyway,you look the part but when you try to throw that 1st punch and people like me see that your'e not very handy and basically a complete wanker we just laugh at you then step in and demolish you,bang bang gone,so many times I've seen 'top boys' slapped about by ordinary members of the public as well who were not amused by their antics in front of their pals,girlfriends,wives or kids,funny as fuck.

      Some Chelsea combat 18 were taking the piss one night in a club up west,touching girls up and generally being lairy,typical pissed up chelsea mugs,then one of these c18 pricks stuck a lit cigarette in some blokes eye who pulled them up about grabbing his girlfriends arse as she's walked to the toilet or something,that was it for me,I gave the cunt one dig bang on the chin and he's gone down like a sack of shit and I went in to chin one of his mates and they all backed off,shows you what kind of idiots these people are doesn't it ?.

      Fv was ok as kids,we knew no better,but in time you learn most of your little gang are a bunch of cowards and only act tough with numbers behind them,they weren't just cowards,you couldn't trust half of them with your mrs or kids or trust them not to nick anything if you let them stay at your gaff,slimy fuckin wrong un cunts,every firm had pricks like that.

      To me football firms are laughable and I've thought that since 1988 when I dropped out,all the proper people were laughing at us,when one well known Arsenal face who thought he was the real deal(ex boxer turned blagger) took the piss in the Edward pub on Copenhagen st,Barnsbury(owned by Frank Warrens brother)which was the local of one of the heaviest firms in London at the time,one of the brothers Tommy 'A' took him outside and beat the living shit out of him,he even broke his leg,what you gonna do about it?,nothing.I also remember the same Arsenal bod getting his nose broken(again) outside the park lane by one lone yid who ran into our whole firm and shouted his nickname before he whacked him,he didnt hang about long enough for the reprisal though haha,the kamikaze was off lively before 'C' even knew what hit him.

      All the mongs arguing about who was best,who done this and that,laughable,grow up kiddies,your'e an embarrassment,even that blade carrying wrong un Cass had the sense to move on.

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      Supermac 

      4 months ago

      Hi All Been reading through the old posts and seems like there were a few brave wham on here at the beginning and now gune all so quiet wonder why

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      Skinhead 69 

      10 months ago from England

      Oh well, it was not to be

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      Bob67 

      10 months ago

      Think your probably right

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      Skinhead 69 

      10 months ago from England

      I'd be surprised if it's as many as that. I doubt it'll be more than 3,000, hope I'm wrong.

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      Bob67 

      10 months ago

      Don’t think you’ll get tickets o’bill will not want more than 4,000 I bet

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      phil spurs old school 

      10 months ago

      be more action than last year!!

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      Bob67 

      10 months ago

      Millwall v Spurs 5th round draw maybe

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      phil spurs old school 

      14 months ago

      skin 69

      cheers mate, sounds like it was chaos , lots of unreported fighting, that must be a first over here, turned up on mass,trying kick doors in etc. what with split at everton, the german firm that came tuff moor. looks like after decades mobs want to get away from escorts and mix it. mad days ahead. bet you lot were not expecting that. firms need to be aware of their boldness from now on.

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      Skinhead 69 

      15 months ago from England

      From what I saw it wasn't organised firms, mobs or ultras, call them what you like. More like a throwback to the 60's and 70's with just massive amounts of people marching about and when bumping into the opposition sporadic fights breaking out all over the place. Classic example when Cologne scored it went off all around me. Bit disappointing for me to be honest, the away fans just did what we would have tried to do and get in at any cost. Once in they just tried to have a good time. They got bullied a bit near me once they scored. As I said, disappointing. If you want to have a go at them then go up the Clock End, there were enough of them in there. Feeling a bit embarrassed and ashamed today, must be getting old.

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      phil spurs old school 

      15 months ago

      well it looks like this year firms from abroad getting bolder, and more up for it. seemed like chaos at your place tonight, needs nipping in bud. anyone got real facts what german mobs really got up to with your lot?

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      Skinhead 69 

      19 months ago from England

      Quality comment mate.

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      phil spurs old school 

      21 months ago

      for sure o.b be well up for this, but this game mite not come round again for long time.

      there are so many ways into Tottenham, it will go, and in the ground will be electric. we all know every loon from south will be on way, wall will have little firms all over place, we will too, plus all the nutters from surrounding area coming out to play. its always busy so sunday wont make huge diff. as MFc 85 said " getting sucked back in "

      ive not known this feel bout it since 77/78

      even the graffiti is the same as what was plastered round Tottenham that season, panorama etc. as in that early spurs book. " Tottenham boys we are here "

      we better be well aware!!

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      mustard82 

      21 months ago

      word is the graffiti down at millwall was actually done by west ham.

      could be bollocks, but wouldn't put it past them to stir up a hornets nest.

      4,000 millwall booked in to trot down tottenham high road

      old bill all over this I'm afraid

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      MFC 85 

      22 months ago

      Phil Spurs

      Well well well!!

      The only game that could really pull everyone back in! 'Wall are mobilising like I've not seen in years (And I mean years!) faces who've long since fucked it off are coming out & I suspect it's much the same for yous. Even the graffiti war has an old school flavour about it!!

      To be honest I think the real winners on the day will be Old Bill-they're the best firm in the country nowadays-although they'll have to earn their money for once!

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      MFC85 

      22 months ago

      Phil Spurs old school

      Well well well!!

      The only game that could really pull everyone back in! Even the graffiti war has an old school flavour about it!!

      To be honest I think the real winners on the day will be Old Bill-they're the best firm in the country nowadays-although they'll have to earn their money for once! All the old school will be out for this and I suspect it will be much the same for you lot.

      Fucking mad after all these years & a twist of fate like that draw can just suck us all back in!!

      At least the young 'uns will get to see a proper turn out for once!!

      Regards & (grudging!!) respect!!.......

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      Skinhead 69 

      22 months ago from England

      Should be interesting, plenty of overtime for OB

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      phil spurs old school 

      22 months ago

      MFC85

      well the one we all been waiting for!!

      Tottenham will be a war zone!

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      There was a photo of JH was in an Arsenal programme forget what game. It was a feature on his mum, she took on borders for the club. Think Sammy Nelson was lodging there at the time. Never heard a bad word said about JH in almost fifty years of knowing OF him - from anyone, at any club.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Skin. Haven't read it but could well end up on my shopping list. GG was s naughty boy apparently ,georgie boy was Greek but that's not his nickname btw it's another one. Im strictly an 80s boy so find it fascinating about early 70s and before on a historical point of view. Specially our team.

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      Skinhead 69 

      2 years ago from England

      Danny

      Don't recall a GG mate, but certainly knew JH, tough and game as fuck he was. Don't know if anybody has read Charlie George's book but JH was a mate of Charlies and gets a mention. Charlie reckons that JH was a better footballer than Charlie himself, but just wasn't interested. Preferred to follow Arsenal on the terraces.

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      bob67 

      2 years ago

      Should get a Gooner reunion this season..

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Fred. Thanks mate. I can see you got a ton of stuff we just don't want that getting in the wrong hands do we And I know it's a bit hard saying what's what while remaining stum. Poor old Spurs last night finally playing at Wembley. There looking more and more like us well our shadow really. all the best

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      micky 

      2 years ago from whitechapel

      Danny

      Johnny was older than us,the north london lads knew each other,most of us were little mobs a bit younger

      I never knew him to talk to.

      We used to mainly go KingsX.Euston after games

      and charingX to beat the chavs up,Watford some times

      Luton,Trafalga Square.

      Can 't remember names but were all well known at the time we all got nicked after a liverpool cup game we chased them all over the place ended up down Pentenville Rd OB everywhere bang.

      pentenville road

      My younger brother was telling me the other day Jenkins knocked about with them B/Green.

      The only lad we run around with was a

      turkish lad George P,he came down to

      our manor looking for ICF/Mile End

      can't say to much...Think he got a long

      stretch.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Frednerk. Forgot you was around from the 70s firm. A geezer running with your firm George G. He was a lawyer but not a toff haha apparently he put Johnny on his Arse once but don't know what he did when he got up.

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      micky 

      2 years ago from whitechapel

      Skinhead69

      Did you know Johnny looked after Sammy Nelson

      We were about 17/18... 1970/71

      Johnny and Bonner would turn up just before the

      game started.We all followed like sheep.

      Great days.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      skinhead69. Skin I just got back from so and so on my travels. I had some interesting discussions with a fellow gooner from 70s days north bank. One of Johnny hoys lot apparently. GG do you know him. Muswell hill.

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      I said that in the first instance.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Expatwhu. Well you sound as honest as the days long. I was there when we hit 5. Liam Brady curler. Magic. Think it would have been raining coins in those days.

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      ExPatWHU 

      2 years ago

      I moved out of London in 83 and cant comment at all about 85. I had mixed views on Arsenal, I knew some Spurs fans and occasionally went to WHL with them just for a social thing I never cared if they won or not. I was at your derby with them when you scored 5 when they came back up. I found it funny enough although no one around me on the shelf did. I always felt you took it to teams like Man U and Leeds at home and I respected them so I know you had to be good, I just never really knew anyone that was Arsenal.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Expatwhu. That sounds about right for 82. Was you also at Upton Park 85 liberties fame. . Interesting to hear your account. Who was the game geezer with the yellow polo shirt as we were getting in the side area and you followed us in.

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      ExPatWHU 

      2 years ago

      Randomly found this and already spent too much time reading it. I ran with West Ham from about 78-83. Went all over and joined in the fun often, far from a face but I was on nodding terms with a lot of them. If the thread keeps going I will add more, I admit our authors take some real liberties with the truth but thats what sells. As far as Arsenal in 82 I got in the NB with one other WH mate. It was like going to Chelsea, you got in and met others and gradually got into a big enough firm to actually do something. If you got sussed you got a pasting. A few offs around the NB that I remember and maybe mobs as large as 100+ of us got done but I seem to remember fewer numbers. We were in the middle near the front when the smoke bomb went off, i think to a shout of ICF but maybe thats my memory. We got caught in a surge and ended up on the track, OB took us around to the Clock End and that was all she wrote. Very sad to hear about what transpired outside, no one deserves that. I read above the guy that did it ended up in front of a train. Are you sure? I know he was a blade merchant but I heard someone else was responsible. Anyway , great reading takes me back and I can share times we got done, twice in Scotland jump out although both times by English firms.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      What do we think of Tottenham SHT. What do we think of West Ham SHT. Only kidding fellas there nice friendly clubs really. PATEK what happened to that Chelsea love inn that you started. I think it may have fell flat like CUNTHOOKS wine. Think il be sticking to a few beers this weekend.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Ok that's the way

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      cunthooks1 

      2 years ago

      agree with you Patek on the Chelsea thing- they turned up in huge numbers in Newcastle in 80's on at least two occasions that I can recall.Hell on all day both times. They turned up all over the north as well. Big firms to man city in promotion season 83/4. and sheff wed. they did the business as well- not just as show of pringle jumpers- they were game in my opinion. they dont seem rated on here though which surprises me but maybe they didnt do the business in London? they certainly travelled well- starting to make them sound like a good wine now, ha ha.

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      I know mate.

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      phil spurs old school 

      2 years ago

      patek

      that changed 75 onwards

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      Seems fashionable to coat Chelsea on here but over the course of thirty odd years, they're probably the best London mob, up north. Conversely, it wasn't uncommon for them to completely fail to show for derbies in the 70's. I've had the misfortune to have encountered too many psychotic Chelsea bods, to be calling them wankers. Moreover I've never known them to be as piss poor, at home, as Spurs were, in the early 70's.

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      Skinhead 69 

      2 years ago from England

      A bit like my team unfortunately Phil.

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      Rob old school 

      2 years ago

      Phil Spurs:

      Great account of our troubles that day at WH

      But it happened to us late 80s against Chelsea of all mobs, we met at Charing Cross (cracking mob) and boarded the train then pulled in at Earl's Court and people started to shout the usual off / on about 50 got off and as we walked bumped in to 200 plus Chelsea who must of thought xmas had come early, few young ones with us started to back off them it was Everyman for himself himself ......the couple hundred Spurs who stayed on train didn't find it.....find it so funny about our friends in the east who never get done!!!!

      Happy days

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Guys. Just spoke to our girl Tracey in admin on here and she reckons WHAM have been trying to sneak on here again. So beware. If anyone asks for your phone number swerve it as there probably trying to tape you up.

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      Make you right on that Daniel. Take care mate.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Patek. You also had the surinams same as like ruud gullit and rikhard. A lot of them in the dam. Do you remember van bronkhurst at the Arse he was the next generation on and half molaccan. Good player but not my cup of tea.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Patek. Fair amount of them Dutch Jews. The blacks you saw were probably Moloccans a wild bunch at the time from Indonesia. They were like the modern refugees who got repatriated Coz the Dutch had indo as a colony. So most of them or there fathers were soilders or rebels. That's why they were up for it but mostly if the numbers suited them. But don't really remember any blacks at Ajax so could have been them.

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      Were they not predominantly black Dan? Ajax. Went there once but can't recall who they were playing. Was over there for a few days and took in a game.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Patek. Oh most defiantly. Up the gunners. Btw I used to watch Ajax back in about 87/88 only on and off

      Anyone else with some interesting overseas football tales Maybe living in a foreign city and seeing what went on. There firm were mostly coffee shop proprietors and much more chilled than us but good as gold.

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      Nothing mate. I just wondered. Up the Gunners anyway.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Patek. What's he done. Wheres he out of ?

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      Patek 

      2 years ago

      Dan, you familiar with Joe Chugley?

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Fred. Don't tell me your another one out Chigwell way. Yeh had a ruby on Friday and then again on SaturdayThen chilled on Sunday haha. True spent few days out of London.

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      frednerk21 

      2 years ago

      That was a locals only pub Dan

      I think an old mate of mine might

      have it now Eddy Squires

      Bumped into him about 2 years

      ago he had a couple of pubs

      sure one was down Bancroft road.

      The pubs bit different from the old days

      we have a few mates with pubs still

      around the area.

      We live out a bit now my friday night mob

      are millwall,west ham,chelsea and the Gooners.

      I drink a lot of beer and a couple of ruby's every week

      but train a lot with my son

      so in good shape.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Fred. The reason I asked about the bankcroft was a bird I knew was singing a few numbers on a Friday. Went down there a few times and there was a couple of big lumps in there thought one of them might have been you haha But had a few good nights in there. She belted the tunes out the old girls had a dance while I supped a few old favourites that they don't serve in the new gaffs anymore. Yeh a right old boozer and clicky as you like.

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      Skinhead 69 

      2 years ago from England

      Sorry, but the posts are taking ages to show up, Nothing to do with me, the problem is with hubpages. Thanks for persevering, I appreciate it.

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      micky 

      2 years ago from whitechapel

      Yer I know the pub Bancroft road.

      Not one for dates brain like a bagel

      We were just going through the turnstiles

      one our mob was 6ft 5ins and about 17st.

      This big ginger Man U fan came running at us

      and chinned my mate knocking him down,we were a

      little surprised and shocked,it was the days when the northbank had the away crowd at the backbit, by the shop.

      Anyway one of funnyiest thing's I have seen at a football ground.

      Our mate got straight up and steamed in at the manc

      the manc shit a brick and run,the chase went on for about 10mins all around the northbank.

      We spent the whole game looking for the geezer.

      We even went down to Euston to look for the nob.

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      phil spurs old school 

      2 years ago

      sos if this posts twice,real trouble getting posts on!!

      frednerk- nice one bringing up stokes famous graveyard..they did lot of hits from there..we went old 2nd div,had good row with the big fuckers.some got in their end too..we had top mob,suprised none of them ended up in their own g,yard ha

      danny--no was not at new Maldon row,but new it was on,it was our Richmond lot,they been fighting Chelsea for years local,and that sunday done a bigger Chelsea lot (nothing new)..run them round new Maldon.big respect to the Richmond boys.

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Fred. Don't ring any bells. But there were gingers on every firm. Do you know the Bancroft arms ?

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      micky 

      2 years ago from whitechapel

      Ginger..Danny

      A couple of his mob are well known mile end

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Fred. I'm not Bethnal but I might know your brother. I'm originally from south but back in the day every body new everybody. What was he known as ?

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      frednerk21 

      2 years ago

      Hi Dan

      You are same age of one of my brothers

      If you are a local of bethnal green

      you would know his mob.

      A lot of the arsenal players

      would come to us for

      in them days,

      for a little help.

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      phil spurs old school 

      2 years ago

      frednerk--ha, thanks for bringing up the famous graveyard at stoke, I went 77/8 .and like you years before a few got in their end,they were big fuckers, outside few rows,but we had top mob that season(2nd div). surprised none of them ended up in that graveyard for good,ha

      danny--no I never went that row at new malden...I think it was a sunday,I got fucked up with beer and birds night before...it was mainly our Richmond lot,it was personal for them,they been rowing Chelsea local for years,and they done the biz that day against a bigger Chelsea crew (again). top lads the Richmond boys, big respect!!

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Frednerk. That was 1981 down the Roman. We went down the week before and had a good nite and the following week got stopped in our tracks on the return visit so it ended up a one off. No idea who the governor who had it but was told it got turned over that nite. But bear in mind at least 4 of us on the first nite were only 15 So was pretty insignificant at the time But I could take a wild guess who the governor was.

      Phil. Did you ever take part in the New Malden offs between Chelsea and Spurs non match days at the back of the train lines open space.

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      frednerk21 

      2 years ago

      Phil

      Not sure what year it was(1968/73),our little mob

      were in the stoke end,we scored,we jumped up

      we were surrounded,one copper in that end it was a long time ago,all he had to say was eff off you cockney bastards,a big curly haired biker hairy chested monster came to the front,luckly one of our boys pulled out a blade

      all of a sudden a mass stampede the stoke mob shit-it

      calling the copper over,we decided it was time to go,we got out of the ground,with a big mob following us down the road,we ended up running into a dairy and began throwing milk bottles at them which drove the mob back

      We then legged it through the grave yard and back to the station.Laughing all the way back to london over the usual card games.

      Some of the thinks that went on at matches were at first just a day out,don't think we ever hurt anyone,in them days when you see a big mob coming down the road at away games a couple of the big boys would shout out don't run so you stood with them,most times it worked.

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      Skinhead 69 

      2 years ago from England

      I rate Jack Wilshire, probably the only Arsenal player that actually gives a fuck and will fight when it gets tough. Because of his size and style of play he's probably one of the most fouled players in the premiership and is always gonna pick up injuries. Rashford looks good and would love to see him in an Arsenal shirt but as for the rest of the England squad? A bunch of over paid spoilt pricks. If they weren't footballers then they would never get another job.

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      phil spurs old school 

      2 years ago

      frednerk21/skin

      great read of your trip to middlesbough! good honest account. it was agrim,nasty place to go back then,and every firm who went there always had afew hurt! never for the faint hearted.!!

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      Dannyregal 

      2 years ago

      Slightly off topic. But will be honest with you. Jack Wiltshire not for me for England. Love him and one of his best fans. Said before he was picked for this tourno. Gets caught out if his runs forward and don't produce. And he can't score. Too much of a luxury for Arsenal and England and would be better suited at a better club who are stronger in different departments. But a talent never the less. He was better before they took out his aggression haha which brings me nicely back. Joking aside I was gutted for a lot of the spurs players and Thought they was well up for it. But remind me in two years time to play our best inform players in there best positions. Thought rooneys passing was very good but got caught out on occasions when he needed to tackle or when he went too far forward,just ping it about son. Ozil what a lovely mover of the ball a joy to watch. Felt sorry for de alli but he will come again and Rashford looked dangerous he could have got us really excited. If only. The moment Stirling got the penalty he should have been subbed and maybe pretty boy joe hart too. So anyway we could have some winners down our place and across the road in sunny Essex I mean Stratford. Bring it home boys. Cheerio. Btw can we have some fighting talk and not this old cobblers.

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      frednerk21 

      2 years ago

      Hi Danny

      The beehive roman

      was you a regular or was it a one off

      did you know who the governer was

      my family had that pub not sure of the date

      but skinhead knows my family name

      so can see it's not bull

      I will not mention names on here

      but the so called ICF never showed up around the roman and whitechaple as far as I can remember.

      The mile end mob march down to whitechaple for the FA cup final about 2,000 handed how brave first time ever.

      If you was on the march hammer/mile end

      we was outside the beggers dressed in arsenal flags

      8 of us ok you could have killed us but......

      You lot knew You would have to hide every effing day

      when the game was over...true yer

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      phil spurs old school 

      2 years ago

      all ok this end.

    • Skinhead 69 profile imageAUTHOR

      Skinhead 69 

      2 years ago from England

      No problems my end at the moment. Don't know if it's just you Bob, or everyone. Had a few of your posts appear this morning. Hopefully everything is ok again. Can someone let me know if it's ok again.

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      bob67 

      2 years ago

      Don't know blank screen when I type.

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