Analyzing ZeekRewards and Zeekler, is Zeek Rewards a legal business? Who is Paul Burks? Detailed Investigation here
There are a ton of income opportunities on the Internet and all of them promise long-term legal and viable income. One of the most recent to be popular is known as "ZeekRewards", run by Paul Burks of "Rex Venture Group".
In this hub, I will go through all the publicly available information about Paul Burks, Rex Venture Group, and Zeekler / Zeek Rewards. I will separate the facts from the analysis, and detail the source of information. This is so you can make up your own mind.
I am not going to tell you what to think. In fact, I question anyone who want you to think a certain way, on why they would want to do so. And I would suggest you think about why would any one want you to think a particular way, instead of giving you information so you can make up your own mind.
Instead, I am going to pose a couple questions that you *should* have already asked BEFORE you joined (and if you already joined, it's not too late to ask now...)
I am not going to sugarcoat the analysis as I am NOT trying to sell you anything. If this comes across as "negative", consider how much "positive" propaganda you have been exposed to , and how much information they did NOT tell you. Think about that as you read through this hub.
NOTE: This hub is in chronological order. The most recent updates are at the very end.
- 30-OCT-2012 Receiver sent out 1200 subpoenas in preparation of clawbacks from people who benefited from this Ponzi scheme
- 27-SEP-2012 Receiver announced he had secured over 300 million that will be returned to victims, will continue to do his job
- 27-AUG-2012 Receiver appointed by court to shut down Zeek and return money to victims
- 17-AUG-2012 ZEEK REWARDS SHUT DOWN BY SEC
- 04-AUG-2012 ZeekRewards parent company claims to have contact North Carolina credit union and "shut down misinformation" at the source
- 03-AUG-2012 Upcoming "qualifiers" and Zeebates worries affiliates
- 02-AUG-2012 Rex Venture Group / ZeekRewards BBB rating back to F
- 02-AUG-2012 Reports surface about North Carolina Credit Union warning members about Zeek being possibly fraudulent
- 02-AUG-2012 Keith Laggos, MLM consultant to ZeekRewards, revealed he is an affiliate, as well as consulting for ZeekRewards, AND published favorable articles about it on his magazine. After reveal, he no longer consulted for ZeekRewards, claimed credit for pushing payment solutions offshore, predicted FTC will hit Zeek in less than a year
- 27-JUL-2012 Consultant who claimed to work for Zeek parent company sent takedown notice and knocked this hub offline, but did not follow up with details on how this hub is violating trademarks and libel.
- 27-JUL-2012 Randy Schroeder, MLM veteran and head of big MLM, calls ZeekRewards a Ponzi scheme, predicts swift end and grief to any one who joined
According to a Zeek "training" website, Zeekler started its life in March 2010 as "FSCAuction". FSC was a part of Rex Venture Group called "Free Store Club". In June the auction was renamed Zeekler, and for a few months, it was also known as a different auction under Rex Venture Group called MyBidShack, but was made a separate auction in December 2010.
NPros, however, had a different story. It claimed that Zeekler didn't start until they acquired a Georgia Penny Auctioneer called iTicketBid, in September 2010. iTicketBid had a history of failing to deliver promised items. Georgia had ruled that penny auctions must be licensed by the state auction commission and drove "Wavee" out of business as of July 2010.
It seems the truth is a combination of the two: Rex Venture Group did start FSCAuctions in April 2010 (some remnants can still be found on Facebook and such via Google search), FSC Auctions was renamed Zeekler in June 2010, and some time after that it acquired or merged with MyBidShack. For a while both are living together, but with different comp plans. Zeekler bought iTicketBid in September 2010 and merged it into Zeekler. In December 2010 the two separate websites (Zeekler and MyBidShack) are merged again with a new affiliate plan and relaunched as merely Zeekler. MyBidShack remained active but is a portal into Zeekler.
If you search MyBidShack's DNS you'll see its registrar is indeed Zeekler, handled by Paul Burks, and shares same address as Zeekler / ZeekRewards. What's really interesting is MyBidShack was owned in early 2011 by Darryl Douglas, who's now one of the top three at Zeekler.
UPDATE: North Carolina Auctioneer Board confirms that Rex Venture Group holds Auction Firm license #9401, issued in March 2012. Zeekler operated for almost TWO full year without obtaining the proper auction license.
ZeekRewards claims to be a "rewards program" for Zeekler, a "penny auction" website where bidders purchase bids, to be spent on items. Zeekler / ZeekRewards is a part of Rex Venture Group, which is run by Paul Burks, who has a pretty long history in MLM, spanning over 14 years as of early 2012. However, his history was hardly spotless. The current Better Business Bureau rating for Rex Venture Group is "F", or FAIL (as of 07-MAY-2012). This was changed to "No Rating" as of 14-JUL-2012, but a recheck at 01-AUG-2012 shows it's back to F again.
NOTE: Zeekler has NOT been in business for 14-15 years. Rex Venture Group has been in business for 14-15 years. Zeekler name was only used since June 2010, and ZeekRewards since 2011.
What is Zeekler?
Zeekler is a penny auction site, where people pay for bids (each of which cost about a dollar or less), which they submit for various items up for bidding, using one bid at a time. The last person to get a bid in "wins" the item. Then they can pay for the item and have it shipped to them, or choose to "cash out" the item and receive the difference between the MSRP and the "bid price".
Here's a sample auction: Item for bid is a cheap Android tablet with MSRP of $100. A "premier 5" auction means you need to use up 5 bids to start bidding. Each bid raises the cost of the item by 1 penny. Let' say you win the item at 12.50 (being the last person to submit a bid), which would suggest that 1250 bids had been submitted by various bidders, each of whom also paid extra 5 bids to join the process. You likely spent 200 bids or more to win (probably closer to 400). As the winner, you can then pay $12.50, and shipping, and the item will reach you in a few weeks.
How much can Zeekler clear? Each bid is 65 cents or so. Assuming there are 100 bidders, 1250 bids would net $812.5 on bids alone, plus another 5 bids per bidder (it's a premier 5 auction) which would add 325. Then there's $12.50 for the item itself. Total revenue for one item: $1150. This is not counting the cost of running the whole thing or the cost of the item, of course. (Or shipping and handling)
Let's assume you spend 200 bids to win this item (a bit on the low side if total bids exceed 1000), that's $130, plus $12.50 for the item, plus $10 in shipping and handling... You actually paid $152.50 for an item with MSRP of $100, even though you "felt" you paid only 12.50. And we are using optimistic numbers (rather minimal number of bids). This is so dangerous, the Federal Trade Commission actually put out a consumer alert specifically warning all people about penny auctions.
There are some anomalous patterns. Some people are using ridiculous amount of bids, such as over 1400 bids (valued at approximately $910) for $100 cash. And that's just ONE PERSON, not overall number of bids (that's believed to be over 5400 bids) That makes absolutely no sense from the bidder's POV. This leads to some to suspect that there be shill bidding bots just to bid up the prices, but there is no proof.
What is Zeek Rewards?
ZeekRewards is the "invitation only advertising division" of Zeekler. It was started in late 2010 (perhaps as late as January 2011).
ZeekRewards itself does NOT make money, based on the official explanation. Members are simply given a share of the profits (from Zeekler) for doing some promotions and putting money INTO the system by purchasing and "giving away" bids, and for NOT taking profits out of the system.
ZeekReward members do need to pay a monthly subscription fee. There are "free affiliates", but they are not eligible for the profit sharing.
ZeekRewards Compensation Plan
In any income opportunity, you perform some activities for the company, and in return, you get paid for performing that activity. This is called the compensation plan, and determines the viability and the legality of the business.
Regarding ZeekRewards, you get paid six different ways, which is listed on their website under "Get Paid". Instead of regurgitating their verbiage, I'll just tell you the bottom line:
- ZAP Commission -- get paid when you refer people who buy "bid packs"
- Retail Store -- sell stuff from your "retail store" and pocket profits
- Retail Points Pool (previously known as Profit pool ) -- post ads elsewhere, one a day, and make sure you have people (who paid to join) under you (see EDIT below), "give away" the bids to select customers, and you can get a share of the "retail points pool" (described as 50% of daily revenue or profit).
EDIT: The requirement "have people under you" was removed in March 2012. Thanks to Georgi for spotting this mistake.
- Retail subscription -- get commission off people who "subscribed" to Zeek (i.e joined as affiliate)
- Shopping Daisy -- earn commission by giving away this shopping browser toolbar (also recruits people, but at least it cost nothing)
- Matrix Commission -- you also get paid for people under you... who paid into the system by buying bids either with their own money, or with proceeds obtained from Retail Points Pool share as explained above.
There are no statistics or chart that explains how much an average affiliate earned in the past from each of the six ways to earn. Out of the six ways to earn, four involves recruiting people, instead of selling things. The "income disclosure statement" released in March 2012 does not shed any light on this situation. However, the "median" earning of an affiliate, according to their 2011 Income Disclosure Statement, is ZERO. Though they claim to have 15000 "active" affiliates in the US, and paid out over 58.5 million.
Based on study of various forum postings, people are mainly interested in the "retail points pool", which uses a very peculiar system to calculate how much profit you can "share", which we will explain in the next section. But basically, your "share" of the profit is mainly dependent on how much money you have spent into the system and how long you are keeping it in and NOT taking it out.
(Thanks to Joe for nitpicking about "penny auction" vs. "reverse auction")
Q: Is ZeekRewards rewarding affiliates for the work they did, or for the amount of money they spent on Zeek? (The former is a job, the latter is an investment.)
Profit Sharing... how does it work?
In ZeekRewards, to "share" in the profit pool, you need to give away at least 10 bids (i.e. you have to buy them first), and post an ad every 24 hours. You, of course, need to be a paying affiliate as well. Prior to a major change in early 2012, you were required to have at least two paying affiliates under you (silver, gold, or diamond, $10, $50, or $99 per month respectively) as well. This was removed.
For every bid you buy and give away, you earn one "VIP ProfitPoint" in your pool. At the end of every day, ZeekRewards will declare a profit share, which averages about 1.4%.
Let us assume you had previously purchased 1000 bids, and thus, gained 1000 VIP points. 1.4% of 1000 is 14, so that's your "profit share" of that day, $14. You can choose to spend all $14 on repurchase of bids, which is added to your total (so you now own 1014 points). Or you can choose 100% cashout, which means you will receive 14 dollars and $14 is added to your cash balance. Or you can do a mix of whatever proportion you wish between repurchase and cash out.
Each point has a life of 90 days, including the points earned on "profit share". If you bought 1000 bids, and got 1000 points, at end of day 1 you will have 1014 points, 1000 of which expires in 89 days, and 14 expires in 90 days (if you choose full repurchase). In the meanwhile your points are entitling you to additional shares of the profit.
The payment is usually sent by check, with a lag of 15 days plus transit time. Though ZeekRewards made a push to use payment processor such as AlertPay and Solidtrust Pay starting 2012. Zeek have also added NxPay. All three have continued to experience glitches for many months, as of end of July 2012 (see updates below).
NOTE: Free affiliates can get "bonus points", which is basically a way for your points to remain when you choose to convert your points into VIP points by upgrading your membership later.
Q: Where does the profit come from? Do they come from the customers you supposedly will recruit? Or are they from the bids YOU PURCHASED?
Is ZeekRewards paying out too much money?
According to ZeekRewards, the daily profit share is calculated by a proprietary formula using figures that are business secrets and will NEVER be released. However, the number is known to vary from 0.9% all the way to 2.0%, with an average of 1.4% or 1.5%. To put it into perspective, a noted scam prosecuted by the SEC and US Secret Service, "Ad Surf Daily", offered "rebate" of 1% on weekdays and 0.5% on weekends.
Furthermore, in April, after they announced banning of several countries (see below), there were several outages of Zeekler for up to 14 hours. Yet the profit share for the outage days remain virtually unchanged. Many critics have questioned how is this "profit share" actually calculated. Burks have previously stated that this formula is a proprietary business secret and will never be revealed. Critics on multiple websites charged that it is far more likely that Burks simply made up the numbers in his head without regard to reality.
Many members and critics have constructed spreadsheets to model theoretical returns based on investment amount, profit share percentages, reinvestment amount, and so on. Models show that if the "profit share" is larger than 1.1% 100% reinvestment would just barely offset any expiring points. Thus, one can withdraw "profit" as long as the average profit share exceed 1.1%.
Q: How is Zeek generating well beyond 1.1% profit based on total amount of VIP Profit points, which is likely in the TENS OF MILLIONS nowadays?
Based on the ZeekRewards 2011 Income Disclosure Statement, using number of affiliates at each level, and average income of such users, the total payout to members in 2011 is estimated to be 58.5 million dollars. Which comes out to be $160,000 profit PER DAY shared.
UPDATE: In the end of May 2012, ZeekReward put in one day profit share of 8.9%, then immediately posted a correction that they had a "manual decimal point misplacement". This is the full quote from their news website:
A manual decimal placement error occurred tonight when starting the RPP. Adjustments will be made to all accounts affected shortly. All unaffected accounts will run normally. Thanks, Zeek.
Clearly, the daily profit share is NOT calculated, but rather, MANUALLY ENTERED. How else can they mistakenly typed in 8.9% instead 0.89%?
Q: Do you believe that ZeekRewards, holding only a few hundred auctions a day, is earning over $320,000 (and increasing) per day, probably well over 400,000 DAILY now? (Remember, they share "up to 50% of daily profit") And can consistently earn grow such to outpace point growth in the foreseeable future?
ZeekRewards started operating in 2011, and at one time promised an ROI (return on investment) of guaranteed 125%. This was advertised all over the Internet by its affiliates. That all changed in Early 2012, when ZeekRewards hired a lawyer and a MLM consultant (among several other people) to make sure their business is compliant with all applicable laws. After a few weeks, policy update was pushed out to all affiliates:
STOP REFERRING TO ZEEKREWARDS AS INVESTMENT IMMEDIATELY
All US based members are required to pay $10 for a "compliance package" and confirm that they understand these limitations, or their membership will be terminated immediately.
There are other misc changes, but that is the one that affected the most members. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Youtube videos and websites, articles, and postings, advertising ZeekRewards disappeared almost overnight.
ZeekRewards hired several prominent lawyers and attorneys as well as MLM expert Laggos to check for compliance. One such lawyer is Gerald Nehra of Nehra and Waak. Mr. Nehra is an MLM expert, having served as head of Amway's legal division for 9 years before making it his primary business as both consultant and MLM attorney and is well known in the industry. However, Gerald Nehra was also known for filing an affidavit (after checking Ad Surf Daily for compliance) telling a Federal Court that "Ad Surf Daily" is NOT a Ponzi scheme, something the Federal Court disagreed with. Ad Surf Daily was sued and shut down by FTC in 2008 and 55 million dollars forfeited and refunded to participants in 2011.
UPDATE: It has been brought to my attention that MLM Expert Keith Laggos, who was hired by Zeek as consultant, also filed an amicus brief with the court telling the judge that ASD is NOT a Ponzi. Clearly, he was wrong as well. Please also see news update at the end when Laggos was caught promoting something else and promptly no longer consults for Zeek.
UPDATE: Compliance package was finally published as of 07-MAY-2012, and initial reaction by members is mixed, as it is a generic MLM compliance course, NOT customized for Zeekrewards. It appears to be the same generic compliance course at mlmcompliancevt.com.
Q: What exactly was the MLM compliance course supposed to teach? That ZeekRewards is not an investment? The actual business model determines whether the business is an investment with application of the Howey test. So is the compliance course meant to correct a misunderstanding by the affiliates, or to propagate a mirage?
In April 2012, ZeekRewards abruptly terminated many international affiliates. To date, ZeekRewards refused to list the countries that are affected, or how many affiliates were affected. However, by comparing the country list before and after the change, six countries were found to be absent in the latter version. ZeekRewards have not confirmed the list of banned countries, nor explained why this was done.
Speculations were rampant, with at least one MLM supporter speculating that this had to do with FTC Warning about Penny Auctions (except this makes no sense as FTC is an American agency dealing with American law, so why ban international affiliates?) One Zeekreward support response claimed this is due to actions / policies from those countries, NOT ZeekRewards. Members in those countries will be only refunded their monthly membership fees and initial bid purchases. All VIP points earned are lost.
One week later, on ZeekRewardNews, Paul Burks, CEO, claimed that countries that were banned were done to comply with US Department of Treasury, Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) who maintains a list of sanctions. Burks only referred to "banned countries" and offered no specifics.
Request to OFAC for comment and study of OFAC list of sanctions shows that there are currently NO sanctions against those six countries that would cause blanket ban of those six countries.
ZeekRewards currently has no comment or clarifications, leading to outcry among other international affiliates, both in and out of the affected countries. There are also reports on how the company is only using a free Gmail address to process refunds, and is very slow or just flat out not responding to queries. This however, cannot be confirmed. Many of those complaining from the affected countries have been members for over a year and is believed to have significant VIP point balances.
Q: Clearly the Paul Burks explanation is NOT CONSISTENT WITH FACTS. So why was it offered? What was the REAL story?
Problem with Profit Sharing System
In a true business where you work for the money, your compensation should depend on how hard you work and what results you were able to achieve with that work.
In Zeek Rewards, the profit sharing system encourages people who have very low balance to NOT withdrawn any money, while people who have large point balances can withdraw plenty of money. In other words, you are NOT being rewarded for the amount of work you do, but for amount of money you put into the system and keeping it there, and for recruiting other people who do the same.
Assuming 1.5% compound daily, and 100% repurchase, 100 points will become 244 points in 60 days. However, this is all "virtual growth". No actual money has reached your pocket. Instead, you have paid in at least 100+10+10 dollars into the system. If you spend the next 30 days (before the first 100 points expire) doing 100% withdrawal, you can draw about 3.5 dollars per day (steadily decreasing). which should mean you will make back your $100 and a bit more so it's a zero-sum game. If you play a longer term game you may actually make some money.
This points to three fundamental problems:
- They say this is not an investment, when it works just like an investment
- Business model makes no sense, as ZeekReward is a pure loss center with no gain (it pays out money, but has no income to match, as it needs to take profit from Zeekler)
- People who put in a little money gains virtually nothing, people who put in a lot of money (and allow the money to compound for more than 90 days) gains LOTS of money
First problem... this very much FEELS like an investment, despite every attempt by it to NOT refer to itself as an investment. In fact, in February and March 2012, the new compliance team at ZeekRewards had a crackdown on all affiliates forcing them to take down any mention of ZeekRewards as "investment". They even formed a volunteer "Zeek Squad" to go after non-compliant affiliates.
Second problem... this business model makes no sense. ZeekRewards, if it is indeed paying out a ton of $$$ to the affiliates, what are they GETTING out of the affiliates? There's a) membership fees, b) posting of ads, and c) recruitment. All three have problems.
If you pay to join a program, then get paid by recruiting other people who also pay to join, what you have is a pyramid scheme. This is very clear from FTC past rulings. (See FTC vs. Koscot,) Having a free affiliate level is irrelevant.
Paying people to post ads is fine, but why would Zeek pay someone who had more points (i.e. put more money into the system) more money, when he or she did the SAME amount of work as someone who had less points? People who have 10000 points are paid 100 times more than people who have 100 points, who did the same work. The difference is how much money they paid into the system, NOT what they did for the company. Clearly, the ad placement is NOT the real benefit to ZeekRewards.
Finally, if you study the system, you will realize that the most "points" an affiliate has, the more that affiliate benefits. And how *do* you get more points? by doing two things:
- Put money into the system (buy bids for giveaway)
- Keep the money in system (repurchase bids as much as possible), take nothing out
The more you do these things, the better you are supposedly rewarded through this "profit share" thing. This is an investment. So why would they insist it is NOT an investment? What sort of investment that only encourages people to keep putting money IN, and never take any out?
At least one member speculated that this profit sharing is simply for placing advertisements. However, this makes no sense. The going rate for paying someone to post ads on Craigslist and such is a mere 50 cents per ad. ZeekRewards does NOT publish total paid out but the rate itself is dependent on how many points you have. If you only have 10 points, then you are paid pennies. If you have 10000 points, you are paid 150. dollars (assuming 1.5% profit share). Both for doing THE SAME WORK DAILY.
Furthermore, in the international controversy above, the international members, many of whom have been with ZeekRewards for over a year, is ONLY getting back the money they put in (monthly fees and bids purchased). All the work done during that year? Completely worthless.
When you add the two facts together, conclusion is inevitable: ZeekRewards is NOT after your work, but is ONLY AFTER YOUR MONEY. Work is an afterthought.
Furthermore, those who were already in, and have amassed a ton of VIP points, will be getting most of the profit. Late joiners are getting virtually nothing.
Q: Why would they say they are not an investment, when they really want your money?
Is ZeekRewards an Investment?
In the US, it is illegal to offer up investment contracts for sale to the public without registration with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), a federal financial regulatory agency. Many companies, including Ponzi schemes, were investigated by the SEC and charged with selling "unregistered securities", and for disguising the fact that they are doing so. The fact that ZeekRewards started this "compliance movement" in February 2012 to deliberate stop referring itself as an investment would suggest it could be construed as an investment contract in some circumstances. Is it really an investment contract though?
According to American University's course on financial regulations (PDF file), the Federal test on what is a "financial contract" has four elements (established in SEC vs. Howey, also known as the "Howey Test"):
- investment of money
- in a common enterprise
- w/ expectation of profits
- solely from the efforts of others
As you buy bid from Zeek, trade it for VIP Profitpoints, then expect profit share, it appears that Zeekrewards at least conforms to elements 1, 2, and 3. So the main question is element 4... Does the additional requirements, such as "post one ad per day" negate element 4?
While a strict interpretation of the word "solely" would appear to support the position that the additional requirements ZeekRewards would mean it is NOT an investment contract, historically the Federal Courts have ruled that "solely" is interpreted rather loosely. Generally speaking, element 4 is a test on how much control do the participant have over day-to-day operations.
The fourth element of the Howey test, “to be derived solely from the efforts of others,” requires an examination into the level of control retained by the investor. Courts will examine the investor’s involvement in the day-to-day operations or management decisions of the business enterprise to determine whether the investment depends solely on the efforts of others. Here, the courts are more interested in substance over form.
Example 1: In the case SEC vs. Glenn Turner Enterprises, Turner argued that participant have to recruit in order to get a return, thus the return is NOT "solely" from efforts of other. The court rejected the argument. The "efforts" in element 4 are regarded as essential managerial decisions that affects the success of the scheme, and recruiting is NOT such a decision.
Example 2: In the case SEC vs. Ad Surf Daily, Boudwin, head of ASD, and his lawyer argued that because they require participants to click on ads, to get the profits, the return is NOT "solely" from the efforts of others. The court rejected the argument for the same reason.
Is posting of ads "critical operation" required for success or failure of Zeekler and Zeekrewards? Logically the answer is "no".
As the additional requirements does NOT defeat element 4 "effort of others", Zeekler fits all four elements of "investment contract" and "securities", and thus, ZeekRewards may in fact be guilty of selling unregistered securities.
ZeekRewards supposedly had hired former-SEC lawyers for compliance, thus, observation above is only valid for the current business model, as of April 2012. If they change their business model, a new analysis will be performed.
Q: Why would ZeekRewards insist they are not an investment, even hired lawyers and consultants teaching so, when they are, according to Federal definition, an investment?
Is ZeekRewards a Ponzi Scheme?
Many people have wondered whether ZeekRewards is a Ponzi scheme, as it is paying out almost usurious rates (1.5% daily for 90 days!) To answer that, we need to first define what exactly is a Ponzi scheme.
“A ‘Ponzi scheme’ typically describes a scheme where earlier investors are paid from the investments of more recent investors rather than from any underlying business concern, until the scheme ceases to attract new investors and the pyramid collapses.” Eberhard v. Marcu, 530 F.3d 122, 132 n.7 (2d Cir. 2008)
Noted MLM Attorney Gerald Nehra (one of those hired by ZeekRewards for compliance) used the following three criterias in his expert testimony given in the Ad Surf Daily case.
- the promise of a return on investment to induce the participant to put money into the program;
- the lack of any underlying legitimate product or service or asset sufficient to sustain the promised payouts; and
- the necessity of a continuing flow of new investors/participants to fund the payouts
Do these three criteria fit ZeekRewards?
A1. Does Zeek Rewards promise return on investment? Before 2012 they sure did, when Zeek Rewards actually guaranteed 125% ROI (which, incidentally, is also the number used in Ad Surf Daily) After the compliance review, the word "investment" disappeared from almost all advertising. However, the fundamental business model did not change. You put money in to buy bids, which you give them away to trade for VIP points, and you earn return on VIP points. Thus, it is still behaving like an investment.
Furthermore, analysis (see above "Is Zeekrewards an investment?") shows that ZeekRewards conforms to the 4-element "Howey test" that determines whether something can be considered an "investment contract". A simple disclaimer "not an investment" may not be sufficient to stop an SEC investigation.
A2. Does Zeek Rewards have an underlying product that is legitimate? Or merely fraudulent disguise? DEBATABLE. Zeekler does have a legitimate product: bids. You can buy bids to be spent on the "penny auctions". Indeed, in a different paper, Mr. Nehra suggested that the product must have "intrinsic value" that people would buy it for its own sake, instead of just to participate.
However, affiliates don't buy bids for the bids. They buy GIVEAWAY bids (not retail bids) to get VIP points, and returns are earned on VIP points, not bids. This is Thus, people who join ZeekRewards are NOT after the bids for their intrinsic value. That the bids can be used in penny auctions is completely incidental for the participants. Indeed, the official story is that the bids are "given away".
A3. Does Zeek Rewards require continuous influx of new members to provide payout to old members? DEBATABLE People would be buying bids in hopes of winning items, which would give Zeekler a profit to be shared with members of ZeekRewards. However, people are using bids very strangely. The cases where people used like 1400 bids (worth $900) to win $100 in cash are actually quite frequent. People who use bids to actually bid would not do that (makes no sense). However, people who don't actually need the bids would do that, as they are not after winning the item, but merely to get rid of the bids so they can buy more, trade them for VIP points, and get the return from the VIP points. The real question is, are there enough RETAIL customers who buy bids to provide that much profit to the ZeekRewards affiliates? Or are the ZeekRewards affiliates generating the profits themselves by buying those giveaway bids, thus paying themselves?
Mr. Nehra explained in his affidavit and testimony that there needs to be a dividing line between "members" and "customers", and a Ponzi would have very little distinction between members and customers. Basically, the members are paying each other, instead of sharing "profits" from customers, and thus, require continual influx of new members, not customers.
Zeekrewards does NOT publish statistics on how many paying customers (who only buy bids) that are NOT members of ZeekRewards.. Thus, it is impossible to say whether Zeekler actually have significant number of real customers providing real profit to be shared among the ZeekReward members, instead of just ZeekReward members putting money into the system as bids which is transferred to older members (those with more VIP points). However, the anomalous bid behavior would seem to indicate that these bidders are NOT customers (nobody's THAT stupid), but rather members or shill accounts controlled by members.
In all Ponzi schemes, any sort of withdrawal is discouraged, and all participants are encouraged to "roll over" their gains as "reinvestment" to keep the money in the system instead of taking it out. ZeekRewards has a built-in mechanism of "90 day expiration" to encourage you to keep the money in for at least 60 days, and preferably longer. Furthermore, it recommends 80/20 repurchase, thus keeping 80% of the payout in the system. That is same as rollover.
Furthermore, Ponzi schemes have three more characteristics: abnormally consistent returns, secrecy, and bogus product/business. ZeekRewards has the abnormally consistent returns and secrecy (as explained above), and its product is a bit on the iffy side, due to its "dual use' capability. So it has 2.5 out of 3 signs.
There is no proof that there are significant number of people actually buy retail bids when compared to the number of bids affiliates bought, and continue to buy EVERY DAY as repurchase, thus generating the profits in Zeekler that are being shared by ZeekRewards. Affiliates buy the bids to "play", i.e. share in the profits, but as it's the bids that generates the profits (and repurchase of more bids daily), the affiliates are essentially paying themselves by buying bids and generating the profits to be shared, then share the profits. That makes it a Ponzi scheme.
It is also very interesting to note that ZeekRewards is heavily populated by refugees from a Ponzi scheme called "Ad Surf Daily" ran by Andy Bowdoin. Among publicly identified members that belonged to both are listed below.
- Terralyn Hoy
- Todd Disner
- Dwight Owen Schweitzer
- Jerry Napier
- Trudy Gilmond
Disner and Schweitzer have filed lawsuit against the Federal government for prosecuting the ASD Ponzi scheme, claiming wrongful prosecution and various other malfeasance. The others have been identified as top earners at Zeek by ZeekRewards, and/or acting as "employees" for Zeek in online forums and/or operate their own websites touting Zeek.
One more item of note: Dawn Wright-Olivares, CMO of Zeek, is an affiliate by the handle of HippieDiva. It is unknown how many VIP points does she have, but she's been there since the beginning.
Q: Why does ZeekRewards look like a Ponzi scheme from various angles?
Q: What are the various elements, like bids, profit share, and so on? Are they genuine profit sharing mechanisms, or just obfuscation and disguise?
Q: Why does ZeekRewards look so much like Ad Surf Daily, a convicted Ponzi scheme?
Any other Zeekreward "problems"?
There may be additional problems with Zeekrewards.
ZeekRewards may be an illegal lottery
As mentioned previously, some Zeekler penny auctions are for $100 cash. This raises potential legal liabilities as it could be considered an "illegal lottery". In the US, only governments can run lotteries where you pay for a chance to win. Private lotteries are illegal.
- Winners Chosen by Chance
So far, the penny auction genre, where you buy bids to play, have not been challenged in court to be a lottery, as they contend that winners are NOT chosen by chance, as one must use some sort of a skill to determine whether to submit a bid or not for the item. However, with automated bidding, does such a skill actually exist? Can you even say that someone spending 1410 bids (at $0.65 each) for $100 cash actually have any skill in bidding?
Keep in mind that states have shut down saving plans that has a lottery attached to it (it's a "no loss lottery", where you keep the money you play, as you only earn less interest), even though it seems to be a great solution to solve the low savings rate of Americans. What will they do to penny auctions, if it ever attracts their attention?
Q: Penny auctions are legal, but rather dangerous, according to the FTC. However, is auctioning off money legal?
Zeekler Bids as Business Expense may not be the whole story
ZeekRewards got Kaplan, the tax advisor, to say that for those who bought bids and gave them away, the bids may be tax deductible. While that may be true, how do you report those VIP points that you get when you gave away the bids? Are they income? Asset? Other?
They are not asset as they are worth nothing in themselves. You can't trade them for money. It's just a number somewhere in Zeek's computer system.
They are not income as you haven't actually received any money. It's not dividend or interest as they claim it's "not an investment".
If you don't report them, then you got a huge net loss and that may trigger an audit.
So what do you report it as?
ZeekRewards interview with tax expert Howard Kaplan gave a VERY confusing answer:
Q: I understand that I will receive a 1099 for VIP bids on a “Constructive Receipt.” Therefore, I should be able to deduct from my 1099 the points that expire as an expense…Correct?
A: Assuming that you operate as a sole proprietorship, your Zeek business is reportable on Schedule C. See Part I, line 2.
A form "1099" is prepared by a business to "contractors and non-employees" as proof of income. A "constructive receipt" is a form of income that has not been actually received, but still must be reported, such as stock options. The answer seem to IMPLY that whatever was asked is true: VIP Bids are considered income. However, it is not VIP Bids that are income, but "profit share" per day.
A theoretical example, assuming 100 VIP bid purchase on January 1, 80% reinvestment, 1.4% average profit share, show that at end of the year, the pool ended up with over 5700 profit share (only 1100 is in cash), and over 2500 points "expired". So what do you report as income, and what as expenses, and what as other?
Profit of 5700 is obviously income, even though you only received 1100 in cash, having reinvested the rest.
Membership fees are obviously expense (10 per month is 120)
What about... expired points, as in the Q&A?
Checking the IRS documentation shows there is no listing for "line 2" on official IRS instructions for Schedule C on how it should be filled out. Search of IRS website shows that there is a "guidance" that line 2 is not to be used except in case of "returns and allowances". Searching the IRS website revealed that "returns and allowances" are only used for cost of rebates and returns off sales price of actual products. As VIP Bids are NOT products sold by affiliate for revenue, it does not seem appropriate to list "expired points" on line 2 of Schedule C at all as "allowances" to be discounted off your income. In this scenario, you only bought 100 bids. You can't really deduct 2500. So where does the expired points go, if you can't count it under "allowances", and it's not an expense?
Also, are you really coming out ahead if you have only received 1100, but have to report income on 5700? Assuming your income bracket is 25%, your taxes on 5700 is 1425... which is MORE than the money you actually pocketed (1100).
Even if you deduct the 2500 expired points (assuming your deduction is allowed, which we don't know yet), so your "net income" is 3200, tax is $800, so your "net" income is merely $300 (after tax). You paid tax on $3200, even though you only got $1100 into your pocket. If your tax bracket is higher, this scenario will be even worse.
Some ZeekRewards affiliates want to deduct ALL bid purchases, including "reinvestments" as business expense. This makes a little more sense. Using the same numbers as above, 5700 points gained in the year, 1100 in cash, and 4600 as reinvestment/ bids repurchase. So you are claiming the business "made" 5700 but "expenses" are 4600 for "net" profit of 1100, for tax liability of 275 (25% tax bracket)
There is one more possibility: gift expenses. However, gift expenses do not apply to "new" customers, and furthermore, gift expense deductions are limited to $25 PER PERSON. If you can't prove how many individuals were your bids given to, your deduction may not be allowed. And if majority of your business expense consists of gift deductions, which exceeds your income, you will likely trigger an audit.
Seems your best bet is with "business expense" deduction. So what do you do with the 2500 expired points? If you deduct *that* as well, you end up with -1400 net income, even though you actually pocketed 1100. Clearly, that can't be right. Apparently, the 2500 expired points cannot be deducted. It is simply lost.
IRS rules are clear: there are "purchases", and there are "expenses". The "official" line from Zeekrewards is that the bids you purchases are "expenses" because they are given away as promotion and thus counts as direct business expense. That would go on line 8 of your tax return as expenses. Remember, get documentation in case you got audited.
Q: Why was the tax advice so confusing? Why can't Zeek's tax expert just give clear advice on what is deductible and what isn't?
Analyzing Zeekreward 2011 Income Disclosure Statement
In March 2011 ZeekRewards published "income disclosure statement" for 2011, and some very interesting numbers emerged. For compliance reasons, I am not allowed to link to it, but it is easily found if you search for "ZeekRewards Income Disclosure Statement" on Google. Here are some highlights for 2011
- Total number of active members is 15318
- Calculating the total income by their average revealed total payout to be $58.5 million
- Average daily payout is $160000 to all members (above divide by 365)
- As ZeekRewards pay out half of profit, so total profit is 320000 DAILY
- 15318 is 23.99% of total members, so total members is 63852
- average payout per member turns out to be roughly $170
- Yet the highest paid affiliate earned 700000 (yes, that's seven hundred thousand dollars)
- Zeek claims to give out HALF their profit to members, so Zeek gross annual profit is 117 million
While these numbers are no doubt impressive (perhaps somewhat less impressive than you suspect), there are some anomalies.
- ZeekRewards doesn't act like a company that EARNED 58 million in 2011. Website problems, auction problems, server outages, and so on are quite frequent. Customer service had been described by some as atrocious.
- This *huge* gap between lowest paid (zero) and highest paid (700000) affiliates would suggest that unless you have a HUGE network of downlines and/or huge number of VIP points, you have little chance of earning huge income in ZR. Helping ZR to sell bids actually will NOT make you rich.
- Do you really believe they are making $320,000 daily in gross profit?
- Roughly 75% of members are not "active", which may indicate members who joined then quit. This would suggest a huge 'churn' rate, as people are quitting to be replaced by fresh members (and their bid purchases).
Q: The "average" income per affiliate for 2011 is $170 for ENTIRE YEAR... So why are so many people claiming they made "thousands"? Where are the rest of them?
Q: If those people quit, what made these people joined, then stopped participating (and thus considered not "active")? Posting one ad per day can't be hard work...
Q: Will ZeekRewards continue to post great profits (probably over 400000 DAILY now), as other penny auctions websites are reaching the US?
End of May Banking Controversy
During the Memorial Day Weekend (end of May 2012), ZeekRewards made an announcement urges all affiliates to deposit their checks as they are shifting banks. And any checks NOT deposited by June 1st, 2012 is considered VOID. The new bank was never named.
There any explanation on why they can't leave enough money to cover the checks.
A later update claimed the credit card processor is in Hong Kong. It is also not named. And that all affiliates will be paid into their eWallets, not checks. While there was talk that ZR was going to go to "eWallets" back in March 2012, the "why" was never mentioned.
This lead to rampant speculation among the affiliates, as well as many statements from other affiliates that offered no answers other than "trust in Zeek". Questions about what bank is Zeek using was often shouted down by other affiliates with the rhetoric: "Why do you want to know? Do you want to call them about Zeek? Call Zeek if you want to ask questions about Zeek!" See screenshot of support forum below.
The "official" reason offered by ZeekRewards is that their existing two banks cannot handle them. Critics of ZeekRewards point out there are plenty of other US banks in North Carolina that CAN handle any sort of reasonable transactions, and speculated that the reason to move payment processor out of the country is to avoid US law, much like Full Tilt Poker Ponzi scheme did until they were shut down in 2011. The critics also speculated that perhaps ZeekRewards was declared PNG by the two banks it had used, and this "cannot handle" is merely PR spin, but this had no proof and thus cannot be considered reliable. However, it does explain why Zeek cannot leave enough money in the account to cover the checks.
Q: Why is Zeek so vehemently trying to keep their bank's identity a secret?
UPDATE: Zeek Support is apparently also banning speculations on the bank, with other members taking the side of Zeek in NOT answering what bank was Zeek using. Here's a screenshot of their support board, with the 4 "removed comments" highlighted:
Update: Zeek Support board is suggesting that a recent "training call" told Zeek affiliates to accept charges from South Korea. (it clearly can't be North Korea...)
NOTE: ZeekRewards logo was removed per request.
Compared to the previous "Please accept charges from ZonaLibre1" (which is obviously Panama) this is even MORE bewildering.
Q: So where is ZeekRewards credit card processor? Didn't ZeekRewardsNews say Hong Kong previously?
End of May Retail Profit Point Controversy
End of May 2012 Zeek posted a daily profit share (RPP) of 8.9%, then abruptly announced that they made a decimal point data entry mistake and will recalculate everybody's points.
This lead to critics pointing out that this only confirms speculation that the profit share is not calculated, but manually entered (from what?). Please see "Is Zeek Rewards paying out too much?" section above to see full perspective.
ZeekRewards Red Carpet Event charges $$$ to shake hands with Zeek Execs
Zeek Affiliates are reporting that the Red Carpet Event prices keep going up and up.
On ZeekRewardNews, the event cost was reported to be $25. And they are keeping the exact location a secret, as they claim the venue was overwhelmed by callers.
However, Zeek affiliates report that instead of a 300 attendee event, Zeek expanded the event for up to 1000 tickets, and is apparently charging extra $$$ if you want to dine and shake hands with the Zeek execs like Burks and Dawn and so on.
(Previously the line was misread as the event costing $1000, the error has been fixed)
Search of Clemmons NC shows that there are only two suitable venues in Clemmons: Holiday Inn Express, and VIllage Inn Event Center. The Holiday Inn Express has a 550 sq ft Hospitality Room that may be suitable. Some members have reported that it seems to be used in prior Red Carpet Events.
Apparently cameras and other recording devices are PROHIBITED at the Red Carpet event, according to the "official" May event presentation.
Q: Just how much does the Red Carpet event REALLY cost? How much to shake hands with Paul Burks, Dawn, and so on?
Q: Why so much secrecy? (No camera, no exact address, etc.)
Why is ZeekRewards telling everybody NOT to ask questions?
An official rep of ZeekRewards is telling affiliates on official support forum that they should stop asking questions, and if they need to ask such questions they should leave the company.
The only recent episode that I can think of that is similar is how Bernie "Biggest US Ponzi Scheme" Madoff reportedly told people who asked too many questions to leave.
The businessman continues to quiz him — that’s his style, as his accountant can attest. He pokes and prods until he gets answers.
Abruptly, Mr. Madoff becomes firmer. “Listen,” he says. “You ask a lot of questions. I just want to make one thing clear: With all due respect, once you invest, you can’t call me. You’ll deal with someone else.”
The businessman smiles — his accountant knows the comment has shut the door on any possibility of a deal. Perhaps that’s what Mr. Madoff intended.
As much as he needs this man’s cash, he cannot afford this relentless curiosity. After a few more pleasantries, they rise, exchange handshakes and walk toward the double glass doors leading to the elevators.
Consider the questions for yourself:
Q: is asking "Who does Zeek bank with" a reasonable question? If not, why not? If so, what is Zeek hiding?
Q: Why does an OFFICIAL Zeek Rep, on support forum, suggest that questions are NOT tolerated?
UPDATE: An explanation has surfaced recently, through unofficial channels, that Zeek is hiding the identity of their new bank because their old banks were getting calls from irate affiliates who wants to know why their check sent to Zeek had not been posted into their Zeek account. This both answers some questions, but create new ones, if this is true.
Q: If the explanation was true (see above), it's clearly a support issue with Zeek, so they need to fix the support issue. Why are they behaving like dictators, i.e. "shut up or leave"?
Q: If the explanation was true (see above), then their claim about their banks cannot "handle them" is PR spin. They were "politely asked" to bank elsewhere. Why do they not admit so, but instead, tried to whitewash the situation?
Why is a member conspiring with others to "game" ZeekRewards? UPDATE: Website has been removed, no info about whether Chapman was disciplined
When ZeekRewards request that you post ads to promote Zeekler, clearly, you are supposed to take it seriously and post in a place where they are expected to be read by people who are actually interesting in reading such stuff.
Would a ZeekReward "fan site" qualify as such? Surely not! People there already know about Zeekler!
How about a comment section of a blog? Surely not! Do you read the comments when you go to some random website for the ads?
So why is a member called Alan Chapman (whose long history in MLM I will not go into here), opened a Zeekrewards fan site (where it's obviously attracting people who know about Zeekler and ZeekRewards), and is encouraging other members to post their ad in his comments section? Who are supposed to read these ads?
UPDATE: I've been informed by a reliable source that the website is gone. However, I have not received word on fate of Mr. Chapman, whether he remained a Zeek affiliate.
The questions below remained though.
Some questions for you to ponder...
- Does Zeek actually *check* if the ads are posted?
- Do they care about where the ads are posted? It could just be in some random comment somewhere, like on this guy's Zeek fansite! (or even your own free blog)
- Do you really want to work for a company where its members are violating at least the spirit, if not the body of the work, and encouraging others to do so?
- If Zeek doesn't really care about the ads being posted, then what *are* you getting paid on?
UPDATE: Is ZeekRewards having problems in Montana?
In June 4th 2012 "leadership call" hosted by Dawn Oliveiras, at about the 18 minute mark she mentioned that 700 affiliates in Montana was affected, without specifying the problem, only that Zeek has "hoops to jump through", about how they jumped through the hoops, flaming or otherwise, in North Carolina and they will do so in Montana as well.
UPDATE: There are now reports on Facebook and ZeekSupport forum that both new member signup as well as bid purchases in Montana have been suspended by Zeek, no reasons were given as of 10-JUN-2012.
Considering that Zeek is headquartered in North Carolina, but had recently abandoned the two banks (Zeek claims the banks can't handle them any more) in North Carolina and moved an unspecified bank (in unknown area), one speculates whether this unspecified problem (or problems) may be related to legal issues. Consider that Montana is one of the first states to sue FHTM as a pyramid scheme, this may be an very interesting development.
Q: Is ZeekRewards having problems in Montana? If so, what sort of problems? Are they LEGAL problems? And why are they being so secretive about this problem?
UPDATE: ZeekRewards hides dirty laundry from public view
Previously ZeekRewards's support forum is available for public view. However, started this Wednesday 13-JUN-2012 they are going "private", i.e. only ZeekRewards member can login and view the issues and/or post them. This is their announcement:
On Wednesday June 13, 2012 this community will be going through transition.
With this migration from a public community to a private community we have some caveats that will take place, all the content in this current community will migrate over.
How does hiding all your dirty laundry from public view provide "better service"? It does NOT.
It also hides all issues being suffered by affiliates from potential affiliates, thus creating the illusion that everything is fine, until that affiliate runs into a problem and was directed to the support forum.
ZeekRewards is already famous for not tolerating dissent. Official rep of that support forum posted message that whoever keep asking questions should shut up or leave Zeek. (see above).
The ZeekRewardsNews website is also notable for hiding VAST MAJORITY of the comments, as the screenshot shows. Out of 65 comments, only 6 are shown. And this is typical of almost all topics on the website.
This is very typical of all ZeekRewardsNews website: only cheerful or neutral comments are published. All "negative", "critical", or "questioning" comments are hidden.
Q: What else are they hiding from public view?
Zeek recommends leads generator with suspect leads
Currently, ZeekRewards no longer supplies leads, but instead, refers all affiliates who needs leads to give away some bids to, to contact and purchase leads from ZCustomers
However, ZCustomers has this very interesting item in their FAQ:
Q: Do the prospects know that they are being signed up for Zeekler auctions?
A: No. They are informed about the Zeekler when they receive their first email from Zeekler with information about how to use their free bids. They only know they are going to receive at least 25 free bids.
This "customer" lead you supposedly got doesn't even know what s/he has signed up. Yet they appear in your "customer list" with accounts and passwords and such already created.
Q: Who created them, if they don't even know they have signed up?
Q: Do you really expect such "leads" to buy any bids after trying your free bids?
Tracing the owners behind ZCustomers revealed that they may actually be ZeekRewards members, yet they claim they are NOT affiliated with Zeekler or ZeekRewards.
Q: Are they really worth $2.00 each if you buy in lots of 200?
UPDATE: A person claiming to be Bessoni, owner of ZCustomers, posted two comments at BehindMLM that denies any wrongdoing, promised to answer questions, then never reappeared.
North Carolina AG's office did NOT say Zeek is legal
Recently a local TV station to Zeekler did a segment on penny auction industry and generally portrayed Zeek in a positive light. However, a statement was read by the reporter at the end that seem to imply that Zeekler and Zeekrewards have been vetted by North Carolina Attorney General's office and have been deemed legal. This turned out to be a mistake, as no such statement appeared in the written version, and when queried, the NC AG's office spokesperson replied that they have contacted the TV station to make a correction, that AG's office has NOT made any determination on whether Zeekler and ZeekRewards are legal or not.
This did not stop ZeekRewards News, the official Zeek News channel, from immediately blogging about their "success", and its affiliates to spam comments at the TV station website with recruiting links. Some even went as far as claiming that Federal Trade Commission and Securities Exchange Commission had "cleared" the company, even though no such thing had happened.
Q: Is the report a genuine report by the local news, or is it a "fluff piece", essentially an advertorial?
MORE ZeekRewards problem with credit card? (Fourth or fifth time?)
There are repeated reports of credit card problems at Zeek, about the monthly charges through credit card billed NOT by Zeek or Zeekler, but with very odd names and merchants not in the US!
In May we already heard that there was at least one incident involving charges for "Zonalibre1", which is Panama, that were supposedly charged by Zeek.
In end of May we heard another incident, confirmed by ZeekRewardsNews that there were some charges by Zeek that were labelled as Korea.
Now in June we just heard that there was a charge by Zeek labelled as Lucky Star Design, but actually originated in Costa Rica.
Now we are getting reports that Zeek told affiliates to accept charges from Lamda EC out of Cyprus, and CCBILL based out of Malta.
Clearly whoever Zeekrewards went to after their departure from the two North Carolina banks is NOT handling their load properly. Or Zeek's own IT is putting the wrong data in the fields.
Q: What is going on over there that they KEEP having these problems?
Zeek stopped taking checks
According to Zeek News, from June 6th 2012 on, they ONLY accept cashier's checks, money orders, credit cards (when they work), and eWallet transactions.
Q: Is this meant to improve customer service? Or reduce their own risk? None of the payment methods here can be stopped except credit card, which can be "disputed".
Zeek COO Dawn-Olivares blundered on leadership call about how eWallet works
In a June Leadership Call, (available on Youtube as a secret listing), Dawn Wright-Oliveras, COO of Zeek, has prepared a 20 minute pre-recorded statement. Very interestingly, at about the 4:15 mark, she claimed that Zeek's NxPay account has no money, and it's NOT a bank account, and affiliates have to PAY things to Zeek through NxPay so other affiliates can take money OUT of NxPay. Why Zeek cannot transfer more money into their NxPay account is a mystery, and indeed many affiliates are now getting very fed up with all these excuses... They fulfilled their part of the agreement and they want to get paid.
Following is an exact quote (except the "uhs" and "okay") from the June 5th 2012 leadership call (bold added for emphasis)
When you take out your wallet out of your purse or your backpocket whatever money you have, you personally put in there, is the only money you have you can use to pay for your groceries with. You may have some cards in there, you may have some checks in there, but if we are taking about cash, which is how an eWallet works, whatever you guys would use, to go ahead make purchases from us with, is what's in the eWallet, is what we can turn around and pay payroll with. It's not a depositing bank account.
However, this explanation DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS what NXSystems says on their website:
Your company establishes an NxPay® account whereby you deposit your payroll / commissions funds (by check, wire transfer or ACH). Then each of your independent representatives establishes an NxPay® account as well. Once all of the accounts have been set-up, your company creates a spreadsheet (within your NxPay® account) that tells NxPay® how you want to distribute the funds deposited.
You *do* deposit funds to eWallet provider and distributes them to people you want to pay, who also have eWallet accounts with the same provider. Everybody works this way, including AlertPay, SolidTrust Pay, Payza, Liberty Reserve, even PayPal, the granddaddy of them all.
Dawn Wright-Olivares is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY WRONG about how eWallet works.
Which begs the follow-up questions:
Q: how can a COO not understand how the system works?
Q: If she *does* understand it, why would she lie?
UPDATE: Apparently Dawn Wright-Olivares now suggests that Zeek is NOT paying money into eWallet, and affiliates have to feed money into Zeek's eWallet so other affiliates can get paid. Following is another transcript of June "training call", with some BOLD sections added.
What you put in it is what you can take out and hand to somebody else. Okay, now picture that electronically and you’re going to understand what NxPay is. Okay. It is a global payroll eWallet. It is a lump of leather in your hand. And what we put into the Zeek lump of leather – what the affiliates purchase form Zeek through NxPay, is what they put into the lump of Zeek leather…
And whatever is in there, is what Zeek can turn around and give out during commission runs. It is not a bank. It is not Fort Knox. It is not a well that is spring fed from the earth and makes money. It is just a lump of leather, it is a container, and it holds everything that you guys put in it by making purchases, okay.
It doesn’t have any spring fed well. It doesn’t have a magical power to manifest money. And it is not a bank that we can deposit oodles of cash into from other resources. Because eWallets recycle cash.
Q: If Zeek cannot pay people from the profits they are making from Zeekler, then how are ANY of the people getting paid?
From another June "leadership call"
Whatever you guys have purchased from Zeek with, is what we can then turn around and pay commissions with. We can’t just go in there with bags of money and just go ‘here’, no way. The more you go ahead and convert your purchasing to Zeek Rewards through NxPay, the more we can afford to pay out in commissions through NxPay.
Apparently, Zeek COO Dawn Wright-Olivares just admitted that affiliates are paying other affiliates. That would make Zeek a Ponzi scheme.
UPDATE: Zeek COO insist that Zeek affiliates caused NxPay problems
Zeek COO Dawn Wright-Olivares made an update on ZeekRewardNews, less than a day after her own leadership call where she told all affiliates that if you don't pay Zeek with NxPay you are not getting PAID with NxPay either, implying that Zeek (for unknown reasons) is NOT putting more money into its own NxPay account. Affiliates have to pay themselves.
In the update, Dawn insists that the eWallet provider explained it to her that way, so it can't be her fault:
It was explained to me (Dawn) by the owner of an eWallet company (unnamed) whom we are in the process of building a new relationship with…that the model is built to ‘recycle money being spent by each company’s affiliates – to be paid back out to the affiliates in the form of payroll. That it’s not a “deposit account” at a bank.
The problem is this is directly contradicted by NXSystem's own webpage. Her attempt to deflect blame by "citing nameless authority" is "spin control".
Dawn then digress into why they cannot pay individual user's eWallets (something about it's a complicated process)
There are a ton of hoops to jump through for companies to be approved to “deposit/wire” funds into each individual eWallet provider and HOW MUCH is definiately something that is limited by the banks associated with them.
However, people have already been paid through NxPay for the past several weeks. So these hoops have been jumped LONG AGO!
This also does NOT explain why she implied that Zeek cannot or will not fund its own eWallet the previous day. Dawn saved the burger analogy for last:
...Continuing the analogy is like asking us to let you spend money at Burger King® and insisting you pick up your Big Mac® at Wendy’s®.
A more accurate analogy is you made an online payment to say, Best Buy, and you want to pick it up at a local store. On Best Buy's website, you can check whether the local store has the inventory for you to pick up. Given that Zeek has no indicator on which eWallet provider has money to request payment from, and has REFUSED to explain why they can't just transfer funds from one eWallet provider to another (ship to my closest store), or deposit money from their own bank (ship from warehouse), and insist on this DISASTROUS explanation about affiliates paying affiliates by 'recycling the cash' (wait for someone to return an item to the store), what impression do they expect all the affiliates to get?
More eWallet troubles at Zeek, may be fixed?
Just received reports that Zeek is having trouble with SolidTrust Pay as of June 27th, 2012. As they also had NxPay problems, that leaves only Credit Card and AlertPay (or Payza) as ways to pay Zeek. No idea how long this outage would last.
UPDATE: there are reports that it's fixed just before July 4th.
More IT problems at Zeek, lost logins and server errors?
Getting reports out of Zeek that various IT and server problems seem to be plaguing the site. Here are some of the reported problems during July 4th and subsequent days:
- Lost login info after switching between ZeekRewards and Support website
- Cannot create new users to receive bids
- Random 500 Internal server errors
- Cannot login or lost session
Zeekler owes business model to Ponzi scheme?
According to an e-mail obtained by Ponzi and Scam Reporter PatrickPretty.com, top ZeekRewards member stated that Zeek's business model is based on a convicted 100+ million dollar Ponzi scheme Ad Surf Daily. This email then uses this link to solicit donations to the originator of this scam, Andy Bowdoin, who only recently plead guilty and is sitting in D.C. area jail.
The specific e-mail was from Barbara Alford, a former ASD member and currently ZeekRewards member, though it is believed to have originated from Todd Disner, former ASD member and currently top ZeekRewards member. Other names attached to this request includes various former ASD members, such as Jerry Napier, a top ZeekRewards member highlighted as a success story on the ZeekRewardsNews website.
It is also interesting to note that Terralyn Hoy, a former ASD member, is listed as a ZeekRewards employee on ZeekRewards customer support website (which was subsequently taken behind a registration wall).
Below is an excerpt from the email. You can see the full e-mail at PatrickPretty.com. (Bold added for emphasis)
As you all are aware, Andy, is now sitting in a DC jail ward. He is in need of funds in his account so that he can purchase shoes, tooth brushes, toothpaste etc. the prison system charges ridiculous prices for this stuff. A pair of shoes alone in there costs 65.00.
You are also all aware that I believe those of us in Zeek and other programs that modeled themselves after the business model that Andy pioneered owe this man a great deal of gratitude and more. Please get in touch with your down lines as well.
I have received info where funds can be wired into his account to help him with his daily needs.
Rex Venture Group BBB rating changed from F to "no rating", then back to F
As previously checked (as of early May 2012), Rex Venture Group's BBB rating was a miserable F. However, it appears that a slew of solved issues has lead BBB to erase that rating. As of 14-JUL-2012 the rating now is "No rating".
Checking the BBB rating log for "Rex Venture Group" shows over a dozen resolved incidents from April to June 2012. Prior to May 2012 there were a dozen different complaints that were unresolved. Total resolved incident is now 26.
There are two interpretations to this fact, a good one and a bad one.
Good interpretation: customer service was improved dramatically and the BBB change of rating reflects that.
Bad interpretation: incidents were resolved solely to "game" BBB ratings, and now it no longer says F, complaints will magically cease.
Only prolonged observation will we be able to observe a pattern, and know which interpretation is correct. A business should usually receive complaints fairly sporadically, but consistently. Steady complaints for like years, then suddenly a dozen complaints in 3 months?
UPDATE: As of 02-AUG-2012 the rating is back to "F"
Zeek still processing credit cards through Korea?
Reports that ZeekRewards is processing membership fees through some random company names in Korea has resurfaced on Facebook. "Internet Paygate Seoul" and "Global Kamba" have been mentioned, and apparently Zeek has verified those to be genuine.
Previously we've covered that Zeek had been using credit card processors out of Malta (CCBILL), Cyprus (Lamda), Panama (ZonaLibre1), Costa Rica (Star Designs?), and more, all based on member complaints. Korea had also been mentioned at least once.
The member reported that in general US based credit cards do NOT allow charges from foreign countries as a security measure (unless you tell them you are going out of the country). Thus, allowing "foreign" transactions puts you at a higher risk of accepting fraudulent charges from abroad. Beware.
Randy Schroeder calls ZeekRewards a Ponzi scheme
I am not going to explain who Randy Schroeder is. You can look that up yourself. I'll just say he's offering a personal opinion, but he is also a head of a major international MLM. And on an Internet conference, he came right out and called ZeekRewards a Ponzi, and predicted it'll meet a fiery end, sooner than later.
Reaction among the crowd had been swift. Zeek defenders are quick to level the "sour grapes" excuse, and they *do* have some evidence... apparently several high level affiliates from that business jumped to ZeekRewards recently (and brought over quite a few downlines). While others made LONG explanations on why retaliating is wrong, it is bad for the industry, it has a chilling effect, blah blah blah. One noted supporter even invited Mr. Schroeder to visit ZeekRewards HQ and meet the ZR team face to face and settle their differences instead of taking it out on the affiliates.
It seems that Mr. Schroeder, in his attempt to NOT go off topic too much (he's there to coach his own people, not to discuss other businesses), simply told the listeners to trust him, as a long time veteran in the industry. He knows what he's talking about. It is an hour-long conference and he spent merely 3 minutes on this topic.
You can find the links elsewhere. I am not linking to it.
I present you evidence and logical analysis. I came to a particular conclusion, which agrees with Mr. Schroeder's conclusion.
Maybe we think alike, maybe we don't. I'll have to ask him, if I ever get the chance to.
But his words do carry a lot of weight.
So here's a question to all the Zeek defenders, who insist that my words lack "authority", that I am a nobody, a person behind a keyboard. To you, my evidence and logic are meaningless even if they are true and logical. Now that a MLM veteran, earning more than you can count, leading more people than you can meet, has called ZeekRewards a Ponzi, are you having some doubts to your conviction?
Consultant representing RVG sent notice to knock this hub offline
A consultant claiming to represent Rex Venture Group sent a notice to HubPages, host of this hub, demanding the hub to be taken offline. The notice was riddled with spelling errors, and claims that the hub is interfering in their business, violated their copyright, trademark, and have made untruthful and libel statements about Rex Venture Group and its businesses.
As a precaution, Hubpages took the hub offline while it investigated this person's claims as well as get in touch with me.
The complaint refers to trademarks NOT owned by Rex Venture Group (despite claims that they are), copyrighted terms that are covered by "fair use", while naming sections that are alleged to be "untruthful" and "libelous" without explaining what exactly is untruthful and libelous about them.
When I requested details from this person, he said he couldn't POSSIBLY create a list of what's untruthful or libelous and why about the hub by Monday. (I contacted him on THURSDAY). When I pressed for more details, he replied with veiled legal threats about "pursue all legal venues".
EDIT: The hub is back online on August 1st, 2012, 6 days after the complaint was sent in. The other party NEVER told me or Hubpages what exactly was untruthful or libelous, nor does he REALLY have authority to issue takedown notices. It is now over a week later and not a single word had been received.
Keith Laggos left ZeekRewards, revealed he joins companies he lauds on his magazine AND consults for
Keith Laggos, MLM Consultant, and publisher of NMBJ, an industry "journal", was found to be touting Lyoness, a suspect scheme that elements of frequent shopper card and pyramid scheme, to Zeek affiliates. While on a conference call, he claimed credit to have guided Zeek toward FTC compliance by moving their credit card processor offshore (this hub have previously identified at least 5 processors in 5 different countries used). However, he also revealed he is a Zeek affiliate with 40000 downlines, and is making $45000 a month, and is touting Lyoness as a "plan B" for all Zeek affiliates that listened in. Furthermore, Laggos predicted that FTC will STILL hit Zeek in a few months.
The shock is complete at both Zeek and MLM advocates. When Troy Dooly, industry insider attempted to verify this at Zeek, Zeek COO stated that Laggos no longer consults for them. Furthermore, Zeek affiliate rules specifically prohibits "poaching" (i.e. cross-recruiting).
Analysis and reaction
Mr. Laggos is in an extremely gray area both legally and ethically. One should not be allowed to be an affiliate in a business he consults for as well as publish articles lauding that business. This is a severe conflict of interest, on multiple levels. Yet it is clear he had done so with Rex Venture Group / Zeek Rewards. To have him turn around, violate affiliate rules, and push yet some other scheme is just... beyond the pale.
However, few people know that Mr. Laggos had a run in with the SEC back in 2002 when he published an article in a different journal lauding a different business (called "Converge") without disclosing that he's being paid to do so, and helped to perpetuate a stock scam.
North Carolina Credit Union warned members about Zeek being possibly fraudulent
Reports surfaced on BehindMLM that at least one Zeek affiliate received a call from a local credit union (in North Carolina, same as Zeek) , who noticed that the member is doing business with Zeek and wish to warn the member that Zeek may possibly be fraudulent. Since then several people have contacted the credit union through separate channels and have received somewhat different answers, that seems to stop short of calling Zeek an outright fraud, but warns all members to exercise additional due diligence.
We are awaiting clarification, which may or may not be forthcoming. It is not known what lead the credit union to such a decision, if indeed one was reached.
UPDATE 04-AUG-2012 ZeekReward News released a statement by new COO Caldwell that he contacted the credit union and tracked down the person who "like all our critics, he was behaving unprofessionally by acting on false information". Unfortunately, Caldwell failed to point out what exactly was false about the allegations. He claimed the person admitted to not knowing direct selling related laws, but failed to name the laws in question.
Caldwell turned around and blames the affiliates who spread the news, claiming that the memo is INTERNAL to the credit union and thus irrelevant, and claimed "sometimes, we are our own worst enemies", Furthermore, Caldwell pointed out that any affiliates who continues to "fan the flames of issues that are the proper responsibility of Zeek Corporate…and it’s a violation of the Zeek Policies and Procedures for which violators will be held responsible."
Unfortunately for the affiliates, instead of addressing *what* would cause a Credit Union to circulate an internal memo called RVG and Zeek possibly fraudulent, the new acting COO continued to pay the "blame the affiliates and the critics" game like his predecessor.
By portraying the critics as "self-appointed critics with no standing in the professional community", he hopes to discredit all critics. Unfortunately, more and more MLM veterans consider RVG and Zeek to be a potential fraud. Schroeder was the first, and Laggos only a few days ago. Clearly, those are not people "with no standing in the professional community".
There is a Chinese saying, "those in the trap can't see the trap, those outside can see clearly." Mr. Caldwell is using one of the bad arguments I've identified, which I called "you can't judge us unless you're with us" argument. Apparently, by Mr. Caldwell's logic, only ex-Felons and ex-Cons can be prosecutors and cops. They would have "standing in professional community" of criminals.
The promise to go after Zeek affiliates who was spreading the info is also troubling. Instead of "Thanks for bringing this to our attention", it's "f*** you for spreading rumors!"
IMHO, Caldwell was brought in as the "bad cop" to counter Wright-Olivares's "good cop". Apparently, carrots are not enough to bring the affiliates in line, so they brought in the stick.
ZeekRewards BBB rating back to F
In Mid-July 2012 the BBB rating was temporary changed to no rating. However, it seems to be back to F, as it was before the "no rating" period.
Zeebates, mandatory ad package, and qualifiers
ZeekRewards is introducing multiple programs, which may or may not help it achieve compliance.
ZeekRewards appears to be introducing a "mandatory" $30 per month ad package made by their official video maker USHBB that is required for all affiliates of a certain level. Details from this is sketchy and will be updated as they become available. USHBB is known for making videos starring Andy Bowdoin and his Ad Surf Daily Ponzi scheme, and only makes videos for "internet marketing" companies.
ZeekRewards announced Zeebates, which is supposed to be some sort of a frequent shopper card that gives you money back. Details and participating merchants are sketchy. Some have compared it to a program called Lyoness, which was under suspicion in Europe as a pyramid scheme, and was sued as such by one ex-member. When details become available this will be updated.
Zeek have previously hinted at some major changes to the affiliate's qualifiers, and this was repeated at some websites, but few details have surfaced, only that big changes are coming. The word "qualifiers" is interesting, as it implies additional criteria to meet. Some affiliates are wondering if it's a way to pay less people, i.e. people have to do more things, like get customers before they get paid. When more details emerge this will be updated.
Zeek Shut down by SEC
On August 17th, Zeek Rewards and its related companies, Zeekler and Rex Venture Group, was shut down by SEC, in cooperation with Secret Service.
If you lost money to this scam, refer to the other hub:
To summarize the findings:
- ZeekReward operated for over a year before deciding to check whether itself is compliant with law or not, and upon the conclusion, instituted huge changes in advertising, but little fundamental business changes.
- ZeekRewards rewards you NOT for your work, but for the amount of money you put into the system, and keeping it IN the system as long as possible, and for recruiting other people who do the same
- ZeekRewards pays usurious rates of average 1.4% daily profit (thousands of percent annually), which far exceeds profit share of scams, such as Ad Surf Daily and is only matched or exceeded by some HYIP Internet Ponzi schemes.
- Despite the compensation package rewarding you for putting money in and keeping it in, and fits definition of "investment contract" as per "Howey Test" by SEC, ZeekRewards insists it is NOT an investment
- ZeekRewards abruptly terminated hundreds (perhaps, thousands) of affiliates in multiple foreign nations with no proper explanation. Explanations thus far offered does not make any sense and changes from week to week.
- ZeekRewards fits, at least partially, the three criteria MLM Attorney Gerald Nehra used to define a Ponzi scheme
- ZeekRewards may be considered illegal lottery as winning seem to depend on chance instead of skill, and winning cash (in some cases).
- ZeekRewards is extremely secretive, deletes/hides negative or questioning comments from public view, even revoking public viewing of its support forum.
- ZeekRewards refused to discuss who are they banking with in the US, after leaving behind two banks in North Carolina, with official reps suggesting that any one who wants to know should leave the company.
- ZeekRewards release vague statements about "hoops to jump through" in North Carolina and Montana, but gave no details.
- ZeekRewards' top affiliates including many former members of Ponzi schemes such as Ad Surf Daily
Does ZeekRewards make sense? No. It claims it is NOT an investment, yet it behaves like an investment, rewarding you for giving it money and keeping the money in for as long as possible. Any work you do is purely incidental. Furthermore, it is behaving like a very poorly ran company, not one that supposedly earned millions and paid out millions in 2001. Its secrecy and attitude toward questions matches Bernie "Ponzi king" Madoff. Its customer service seems to be getting from bad to worse.
Can ZeekRewards be profitable? Yes, if you choose to give it money first (hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars), and keep it in for several months or longer. But then, so can most scams, at least for the short term.
Would I join ZeekRewards? No. The business model makes no sense. One should not have to spend money to make money. The company's compensation model makes it clear it is after your MONEY, not your hard work. I am very suspicious of any company that wants money instead of work, then insist it is NOT AN INVESTMENT. Indeed, many critics have pointed out that this is basically a Ponzi scheme, where you are being paid with your own money (basically you gave it as free loan to Zeek, with promise of much future $$$).
Was I being negative? No, merely truthful.
Now consider this final question
Given the risk (all the unanswered questions, potential and actual legal problems, time delay in getting your money out, misrepresentation "not an investment", Zeek customer service problems, if it's a scam I'll be outcast from my friends and family, refusal to answer questions, and so on and so forth...)
And the amount of work (minimal, put some money in, post one ad a day, and maybe recruit a few more people to join)
Is the reward (possibly earn a LOT of money, thousands, perhaps tens or thousands or more, over some unknown period of time) worth it?
THAT is the question you have to weigh for yourself.
I hope you are more informed now regarding ZeekRewards, and make up your mind whether to join or not. If you have comments, please add them below. Keep in mind that I will deny comments that includes referral IDs, as well as frivolous "I made money! Join today!" type comments.
So far, reader reactions generally falls into the following types
A. ZeekRewards is a fine program and you are just stupid to bad-mouth it.
My reaction: The truth can hurt, sometimes, a lot.
B. ZeekRewards will make / made me money so I don't care what you say.
My reaction: then you are choosing with your heart, not with your head. And the heart is not the wisest of your organs.
C. ZeekRewards is indeed suspicious and I'm getting out as soon as I recoup my money.
My reaction: your decision is your own business, but thank you for sharing.
D. You have confirmed my suspicions in Zeekrewards and I'm glad I / friend / relative did not join
My reaction: I am glad my information was useful to you.
The Zeek Rewards Ponzi scheme turned out to be the largest ever in the US in terms of number of victims. This is unfortunate, as the warning signs had all been there.
Those who are looking for income opportunities should study this scam and note the warning signs that analysts have been pointing at all along, and WHY they are ignored... and make sure they don't repeat the mistakes of million people.