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Hal's Not-So-Secret Method To Writing Successful Hubs

Updated on August 22, 2008

I received a request from guidebaba to write a Hub on my secrets on writing the best HubPages for the perfect score and money. I'll gladly take up the challenge, but I do have to warn my readers that you may not find what you're looking for in this Hub. Why? The bottom line is that I don't have a single solitary "secret" as to how I write so many Hubs that consistently top the Best Hub category with 100s, 99s, etc. and place on the first page of Google. You'd think that HubPages has a crush on me as I don't think I write Hubs that are any better than many of the better writers on this superb site. There is one "piece of advice" I'll give at the end of the Hub, however, and if you want to call that a "secret" that's just fine by me.

Let's deal with the HubScore concept first. Darkside has written the ultimate Hub on explaining the intricacies of this algorithm in How HubScore Works . By all means go read that first before you try to get me to explain it to you, as according to me the HubScore Formula is as follows:

HubScore calculates the number of words in your Hub, multiplies them by your number of published Hubs, divides by the square root of the combined total HubScores of all of them, then multiplies that by the sum of the exsec of your astrological sign, the versin of the number of letters in your name, the tan of the phase of the moon, the csc of the current NASDAQ index, and the cot of that day's London exchange rate between the Mongolian Tughrik and the Tajikistani Somoni: thus in the famous words of the Beach Boys "That's all there is to the cosine craze."

So if you think I have mastered a secret formula to obtaining high HubScores, I'm as baffled by them as you. I have never been able to figure out why one hub with 500 views and 3 comments gets 100 and another with 10,000 views and 60 comments in the same time span struggles to get 80. Maybe it's flagging, or maybe my explanation above is closer to the truth than anyone may know.

As you see, I can't help you much on exposing the deep dark secrets of HubScores. Now let's get to money.

First of all, let me state that I am profoundly satisfied with my compensation directly from the sterling organization called HubPages, as it has always been fair, equitable, and allows me the freedom to write whatever turns my crank without having to worry about choosing between drawing traffic to my AdSense account or not paying the rent. When you google HubPages my Mac Plus Vs. AMD DualCore Hub comes up second, which leads me to believe that at over a quarter million page views it was the number one traffic drawing Hub of all time. However, my total AdSense earnings, not from just that Hub but all of my 253 Hubs to date have not yet reached a total of $500. That factor is what lends credence to my belief that the outlandish claims by the snake oil salesmen are just criminal scheming lies. I've set up this Google Test page linking to my Mesothelioma Hub to see if I can trap the Google bots into disproving that "top keywords make huge money." If it's true, then the National Cancer Institute will be getting a nice, fat donation from me, and that would make me very happy. However, as I stated on that page, I think they'll be lucky to get a couple of bucks.

Why are my AdSense earnings so low? There may be a reason over and above the hyperinflated boasts of the lying scumsuckers who want to trick you into forking over $50 to buy their "AdSense Secrets To Make You RICHRICHRICH!" ebook. The key to getting AdSense to pay up is to have legitimate clicks on high paying keyword ads... but I don't play that game. To paraphrase Ricky Nelson's Garden Party "if SEO-junk were all I wrote, I'd rather drive a truck." SEO-junk can trick visitors to land on your site when they are seeking the latest information on the Tinkypoo Technotron XE1550 ElectroWidget. Then they'll click on the Tinkypoo AdSense links and you'll get paid.

Sorry, but to me that's not writing... that's trapping. I won't do that.

I have written and edited millions of words that have been published in major internationally circulated magazines, journals and books. I'm from the old skool and I was taught that professionals write the best content they can to please the reader, not sucker them into ad-clicking. I have never written a single Hub around what I think I could get in AdSense clicks and I never will. Am I losing money? Likely. But I'm keeping my self-respect intact and there's no amount of currency on Earth that can buy that.

That may very well be the "secret" to my Hub rankings. I write for my reader, not for an algorithm. I couldn't care less what Google is looking for. I'm going to provide content that in my determination borne from three decades of professional experience as a writer, author and publisher is what my readership wants to read. The salient aspects of my "persona" as a HubWriter are clear to anyone who has read even a couple of my Hubs:

  • I can cobble together the odd sentence or two.
  • I don't shy away from controversy, but neither do I court it.
  • I have very strong opinions on various subjects but they are always backed up 100% by verifiable, valid, published facts.
  • When the rampaging lunatic mobs come after me, I give as good as I get in the language/slang their addled neurons can comprehend.

However, the most significant factor may be that I work my considerable, dimpled, hairy derriere off. Compiling and posting the fuel economy figures of 950 motorcycles and scooters took me the better part of two weeks fulltime. I am about to post well over one hundred Hubs breaking down the fuel economy of 11,250 cars and light trucks not through abstract EPA figures, but six real-world driving styles: Typical, Interstate, and Stop&Go, and I'm also including Hypermiler, Leadfoot, and Grandma. The research alone to arrive at these figures took well over a month, again nearly fulltime.

So Hal's Secret may just be this piece of advice: Write well about what you fully understand: The success will come.


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      stevenschenck 8 years ago from Sacramento California

      I am glad that you explained about the rating system - all this time I thought it was a random number generator like a pair of dice, you know something quantum kind of thing only a math major could figure out.

      Can't wait to buy all the books so I can get rich.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Yeah, I may have to factor in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle as the HubScore algorithm seems to have a root-mean-square deviation from its mean X-distribution. Remember your friend Hal when you get rich, willya... I've yet to make one red cent from Ebay, Amazon... and let's not even mention Kontera. I signed up two months ago and never even heard back from 'em! :)

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      Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

      I think that same formula was used to make sure Charlie got the 5th & final winning Willy Wonka ticket.  It also explains why I have yet to win the 10 trillion dollar lottery - oh, wait, that and the fact that I haven't yet bought the lottery ticket!

      So, you used to edit & write?  Meaning you don't any longer?  I am asking because I am soon be unable to function as I used to - you know, walking, driving, etc., and I am searching desperately for work I can do at home, writing, editing, and still maintain some sort of living wage.

      Any leads you could shoot my way?

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Yes, that is known as the Willy Wonka Wequation. It is widely used in the Kaluza-Klein compactification of 11D Superstring M-Theory which contains D-Branes and in calculating how many raisins are in a package of Kellogg's Raisin Bran.

      I still edit and write, but now I do it all at home. Gone are the 14 hour days slogging away in my office with a glorious view of the HOLLYWOOD sign. Now I have 14 hour days slogging away in my home with a glorious view of bald eagles soaring over the lake. I derive a minority of my income from HubPages. Most of the $$$ is in ghostwriting novels and non-fiction books, but some is from writing web content. I just finished writing thousands of indepth web articles for a Fortune 500 corporation. Most of my work comes from word of mouth, but the best place I can suggest for leads are the freelance writer sites:

      and you may be surprised about this last one, but don't be as they're a great resource as long as you don't consider FWJ Idol:

      Don't bother with the bidding sites, as the cheap ones like Getafreelancer will pay fractions of a penny per word, and the good ones like Guru and Elance are next to impossible to get any bids accepted.

      If you're willing to work your butt off, you can make a fairly good living at your home PC, but don't think that it's for the faint hearted or the easily dissuaded. It's a tough slog, but it can be rewarding! Good luck! Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help!

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      Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

      I am a teacher! Believe me, I know what working off me posterior is all about! LOL!!! Thanks for the heads-up and ideas.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I'll be happy to answer any more Qs you might have. Thanks!

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      guidebaba 8 years ago from India

      "Write well about what you fully understand""write for your readers and not for search engines and clicks"

      ----Got it. Thank you so much.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      That pretty well sums it up. Good luck!

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      compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

      Excellent hub Hal!!

      You have covered lots of advice and "not so secret" tips! Keep doing what you do very well!!

      Write on!!;)

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks compu-smart! But now you realize that since you now know my "not so secrets" you are sworn to "not so secrecy!" :)

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      Benson Yeung 8 years ago from Hong Kong


      absolutely adorable stuff.

      we need more stuff like this around here.


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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks, Benson! Very kind of you! :)

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      VioletSun 8 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

      I have noticed you before as your hub scores are always very high, so of course, I eagerly read your hub for your "secrets", LOL!. Your advice "Write well about what you fully understand: The success will come". and not worry about the search engines is honest, down to earth advice. Thanks! 

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      Nicole A. Winter 8 years ago from Chicago, IL

      Amen, brother! I'm sick of seeing one paragraph hubs about some get-rich-quick scheme or how to generate booodles of traffic to your site, (if you shell out $97.77, for their super-e-book,) and general scams and misdirections. I refuse to write for anyone other than myself. If that doesn't make me money, so be it!

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      kocharvimal 8 years ago from India

      nicely explained man..simple writing and proper guidance..great hub!!..Bravo!!

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      cwilgus 8 years ago from 45885

      Hey you seem to be in the know around here and I am new, I want to ask if you will look at my hub and give me any advice. It is an ad so if you want to remove it from your displayed comments I undestand thanks Chad

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      hassam 8 years ago from Pakistan

      I admire you as one of the best hubbers on hubpages not for your hubscore but the truth that is there in your writing. Writing the truth and what you understand is the true formula of succes that even I have realized after 1 year of learning.

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      Ann Smith 8 years ago from Southeastern U.S.

      Thank you for sharing your valuable insight, Hal. It's interesting to get some benchmarking on AdSense so that all can be realistic about that component.

      Making less than $500 on over 250 quality hubs does not seem like a whole lot, yet they are probably an investment for over the long haul.

      Plus, I get the impression that is not the primary reason you write.

      Thanks again.

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      knslms 8 years ago from North Carolina

      Really enjoyed reading how they calculate the hub score lol. Thanks for the info

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      starcatchinfo 8 years ago

      HI HAL,

      My hubs are short and sweet, I think . Will it fetch me money ?

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      webllinks 8 years ago from Michigan

      Love this hub and enjoyed reading it. You've really done a great job. Thanks, JV

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      Dave McClure 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

      Hi Hal - It seems to me that if you write well, and enough, and have something to say, it will reflect in the hubscore and the hubber score. But the best chance of making money is if someone likes your work enough to give you a job!

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      spooon 8 years ago from Texas

      I also have no clue to the score. I get tons more traffice on other hubs yet still ranks lower. Maybe tons more put thumbs down? Great hub

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      sschilke 8 years ago

      Hal Lacino,

      "I write for the reader".... Good for you Hal! This hub was superb.


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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      So thats how hub-scores work. I thought they were based on the da Vinci code.

      Great advice for a turkey hubber. (A newbie who hasn't got off the ground)

      Thanks Hal.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      VioletSun: I'm very happy to share my "secrets," but I do have to point out that I'm sure that it's my astrological sign with Hubcury Rising and my moon in Hubquarius that helps my Hubscores too! :)

      Nicole Winter: You're absolutely spot on. The question I keep asking is this: OK, so Mr. X has just come up with a way to get $1,000 of traffic to a site every month. It costs about $50 to set up a domain and host a site for a year. Why is Mr. X diluting his own process by encouraging competition on his own keywords by selling these ebooks? I can set up a domain name on my host and put up a basic content website in about an hour. If I work 40 hours a week, that would create $40,000 a week of income, or well over $170,000 a month. But noooooooooooooooooo... Mr. X decides that he is going to sell to suckers... er... web publishers his SECRETS in an ebook. What's wrong with this picture? It's simple... THEY ARE ALL 100% GUARANTEED SCAMS!

      kocharvimal: Thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated!

      cwilgus: I can see you're honest about asking for assistance, so I will definitely not BLAST you, but Chad, please take a good look at that Hub you've put up and tell me if it doesn't pretty well fit the description I just gave Nicole Winter. $10 a month changed your life. OK. So why are you telling others about it? It isn't just because you're altruistic... but it's because you're promoting a get rich quick formula that DOES NOT WORK. How do I know they don't work? Easy. Because NO GET RICH QUICK FORMULAS EVER WORK. The internet has spawned hundreds of thousands if not millions of similar snake oil and NONE OF THEM WORK. NONE OF THEM. AT ALL. EVER. The only ones to profit are the ones who come up with this endless string of scams and sucker all the poor innocent idiots out there to cough up their hard earned cash and receive NOTHING IN RETURN. This is not commerce: It's larceny, robbery, thievery, embezzlement, looting, pillage, plundering, banditry, and piracy. Chad, I'm sure you're a great guy, so please do yourself, any readers who might stumble onto that Hub, and the entire Hub community a huge favor. Take down that Hub and focus your efforts into a constructive and positive avenue. If you want to make money online, there are many effective and proper ways to do that. They all take hard work but they will work if you remember that NO ONE HAS EVER BENEFITED FROM SCAMS OTHER THAN THE SCAMMER. So be a good online citizen and put your time and energy into Win-Win situations only. You'll be amazed at how much better everything will go for you!

      hassam: Wow, that is a phenomenal compliment. I have to go to Home Depot now to have a garage door installed in my computer room as I won't be able to get my swelled head through the standard door. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it!!!

      Ann Smith: I'm perfectly happy to keep on Hubbin', and although the two bucks per Hub works out to fractions of a penny per word, my compensation direct from Hubpages is more than satisfactory so it's definitely worth my while! I'm sorry I had to barrage my Fans with 188 Hubs on Car MPG over the weekend, but there was no way to get around flooding their email inboxes. That was a huge project and it was the only way to get it up on Hubpages. So please forgive the massive avalanche of "Hal's just published another freakin' Hub" over the weekend! :)

      knslms: Yes, that Hubscore formula is fully accurate with the exception of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which I'm still trying to work into, but I fear that I'll stumble across the Grand Unified Field Theory before I'm able to work that out. :)

      starcatchinfo: A great Hub can be 501 words. A complete waste of time Hub can be 2,000+. It's all in what you're saying and how you're saying it. Some of the greatest contributions to literary history have been made in a handful of words.

      weblinks: Thank you very much for the comment!

      Paraglider: I am currently in the process of being hired as a lead blogger on a massive top-ranked site, and I'm sure that my Hub work has had at least something to do with that. I was very clear during the process that I want to be free to keep on Hubbin' though! :)

      spooon: There are weighting algorithms for the Thumbs Up/Down so I'm sure they contribute, but I sure don't know exactly how... and maybe never will! :)

      sschilke: Thank you for your very nice comment!

      The Old Firm: Yes, there have been reports that depending on where Paul Edmondson is sitting relative to your position and whether or not he's portrayed as male or female that can affect your Hubscore, but Opus Hub has been opusfuscating that information since the Priory of Hub knows that the location of the Hubby Grail must be kept a secret forever! :)

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      Seabastian 8 years ago from Raleigh

      I enjoyed this hub and it reiterates something we have all learned over and over but keep either forgetting or putting out of our minds because we want to find an easier way--That is---- just about every real success is going to take a lot of hard work.

      Thanks for the reply to cwilgus. There is really way too much of those kind of promotions.

      I hope you are making good money writing so you won't be tempted to quit.


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      privateye2500 8 years ago from Canada, USA, London

      "When you google HubPages my Mac Plus Vs. AMD DualCore Hub comes up second, which leads me to believe that at over a quarter million page views it was the number one traffic drawing Hub of all time. However, my total AdSense earnings, not from just that Hub but all of my 253 Hubs to date have not yet reached a total of $500. That factor is what lends credence to my belief that the outlandish claims by the snake oil salesmen are just criminal scheming lies."

      Boy you certainly have gotten THAT 100% correct.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Seabastian: Thanks for your comments, Ray. I have no intention of going anywhere, so I guess Hub is going to have to put up with me for a while! :)

      privateye2500: What keeps surprising me is how many people keep feeding the gaping maws of these monstrous and SO TRANSPARENT scams! There really is a sucker born every minute! :(

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      dafla 8 years ago

      As usual, excellent advice. I too, am white hat all the way, and it really chaps me when people make fun of that. I've quit a couple of forums because the black hat creeps are so negative and nasty about people who won't break the rules or play on people's weaknesses and addictions to make a buck.

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      byee 8 years ago

      Thanks, I really enjoyed reading that.

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      Karen N 8 years ago from United States

      Very interesting hub, Thanks.

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      ajcor 8 years ago from NSW. Australia

      so that's how they do it! I have to say that I have noticed that if go back into an older hub and update the keywords eg. the score rises slightly ....sometimes!

      cheers and thanks

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      REritr 8 years ago from California

      I am a fairly new hubber and choose to write Hubs mostly for fun and some exposure. I have been a columnist, author and journalist in the real estate and residential construction industries for more than ten years now, and DID write full time at one point.

      But the isolation writing that much forced on me found me screaming to break out of my confines and yearing to get dressed in anything BUT my warm-ups just to get the hell out of the house. I have very few writer-friends, but possess a limitless admiration for people like you, who can crank out interesting articles in volume and retain your sanity.  Ergo, I salute you . . .


      As for HubScores, you cleared up a few things for me as well. If I make a few bucks every few months or so off this, I'll consider it a surprise bonus, since I didn't get into it for the money.  What HubPages offers me is a way to express whatever I have on my mind, share it with others or provide some insight into my world of home building.  The satisfaction I get from knowing that people read what I write and actually get something from it is more than enough compensation for me.

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      redpony 8 years ago from PA

      It was very educationl. Thank you for writing this hub.

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      AndyBaker 8 years ago from UK

      Wow, some really useful hints. I always have puzzled as to how the rating system works and you've really helped. Thanks for a fantastically useful hub.

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      nachase 8 years ago from SF Bay Area California

      Hal, Snake Oil! I loved that reference to the Adsense paradigm.

      I recently performed a contractor role of Senior Technical Project Manager at Google, for their entire broadcasting stage and post facilities upgrade in Mountain View, CA.

      It was an eye-opening experience to peer inside this highly succesfull enterprise, who earns billions of dollars from simple little text and banner ads attached to a search results page. The average age of their employees is 24 years old.

      I did see a few grey-beards like myself, you know 55 and up, but there was a pervasive sense of work permeating the environment. They even have a laundry and guest suites nearby, so you never have to go home, just code the next great algorithm that will insure the collection of even more cash from their end users, you and me.

      To your point of earning anything meaningful from the revenue-sharing premise on HubPages, the sheer volume of your work shows how little renumeration is possible. I have published three, and you have nearly 300!

      Wanting to make a decent living online, writing from your heart and not your wallet. These are the noblest of pursuits, but the reality is that if we are being told this is anything but a vanity issue, seeing our well-crafted words in print then we are being misled.

      I celebrate the HubPage concept, and the wonderful people who have taken the time to read my meanderings on what the world will be like in 100 years, or my favorite guitars that bring me some small joy at the end of the day.

      It is clear that you have captured the essense of the Google Adwords algorithm.

      Unlike you, millions of individuals are trying to game Google's Adsense Program, and their requirement for a 'Quality Search Results Manifesto'. So many web advertisers are solely trying to as you say 'trick' an innocent web surfer from his hard earned dollar.

      I am trying to really learn this business. I have a mentor that earns in excess of $170,000.00 per month, yes per month, using Pay-Per-Click advertising. He is 21 years old and a flat genius. While my 'IQ' was reported to be 'high' his must be off the charts. My IQ is only my 'potential', and we only use 10% of our brain's capacity anyway, excepting Albert Einstein who I believe had access to 15~25% of his brain's capacity.

      Sorry for the long comment, but thank you for your dedication to these pages, your writing is clear, consise and very insightful.

      Respectfully, Nicholas

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      pcdriverupdate 8 years ago from VA

      interesting and entertaining, thanks. :)

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      Gail Doby 8 years ago from Denver, CO

      Thank you for sharing your humor and especially your enlightening algorithm for scores :-).

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      multimastery 8 years ago

      Great hub with some honest info. & tips ~ Thanks Hal!

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      cvaughn570 8 years ago

      Great Hub and finally an answer to how our hubscore is calculated! I love it :-)


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      Kylie Doak 8 years ago from Australia

      Excellent hub. Very enjoyable (and amusing - I love humour!). Great advice. Thumbs up from me :)

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      childcen 8 years ago from New Zealand

      I really enjoy reading this hub. And all those honest info on hubpages. Love it :)

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      Plain Tech Talk 8 years ago

      Adsense is all about traffic, placement and interest. I am the webmaster for a small town newspaper and we generate a nice Adsense income.

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      quicksand 8 years ago

      I got a piece of paper and a pen and diligently started jotting down points on how to work out one's hub score ... until you came to the point where you began to involve sin, cos, tan, and LOL, Nasdaq!!! Hal you got me there! re-LOL!

      I think I've cracked your code. I know for sure your hubs get read and re-read because of your ability to weave intense humor into the most serious of issues, and your ability to notice and upgrade the least noticed but important issues to readable levels!

      I also appreciate the fact that you prefer eyeballs to algorithms! I am new here ... just a dozen hubs, and I don't write total nonsense either. However I do not have a single click on adsense as yet. But I don't care. I shall follow your style, please the eyeballs and to hell with algorithms!

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      jestone 8 years ago from America!

      Great hub! I just started posting and like to think I follow what you have written, about trying to write well what you understand. I have fun, though writing has never come easy.


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      2patricias 8 years ago from Sussex by the Sea

      What an encouraging hub! Why - we were only yesterday musing on where we have gone wrong with Amazon. It is so reassuring to read that we are not alone!

      As for income - we have worked out that we are never going to get rich! This is partly because we block ads for products that we won't support. Our website has content that we believe in. Our Hubs are on topics that we know about and hope that others will enjoy reading.

      And your explanation of the Hubscore is helpful. Now we know that we will never understand it we will stop worrying about it.

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      A Robinson 8 years ago from Pacific Northwest US

      Thanks Hal for a good hub. Your words about writing for the reader and what you fully understand really helped me with my thoughts on what to write about and how to write. I have always felt that quality vs. quantity will win out all the time.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Wow! I'm overwhelmed by all the compliments. Thank you all. Much appreciated!!!

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      Carolyn Augustine 8 years ago from The Land of Tractors

      Hal, thank you for the reality check. I don't believe quality over quality wins, since clearly there are folks who hire out bloggers at $2-3 an hour to write online articles for their adsense click-throughs, but I enjoy the HP community and it certainly is a sanity saver for me as a stay at home mom. Participating in HP has increased my technology quotient, too. Cheers!

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      desert blondie 8 years ago from Palm trees, swimming pools, lots of sand, lots of sunscreen

      Hallelujah! Now that I know how the scores are determined, I can finally sleep at night! Whew! And I was beginning to think my astrological sign had NOTHING to do with my score! Thanks for putting this out there for all hubbers to know!

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      Hypnotherapist-uk 8 years ago from London, England

      Thanks for making that clearer. It's kinda nice to know you can succeed accidentally.

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      jahnarisha 8 years ago

      Very informative information. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out :)

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      Shirley Anderson 8 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      I'm so happy to see that you've put it here in print!  The part about writing for the reader, I mean.  Personally, I think it's precisely that sentiment that marks a writer, and makes him distinguishable from the marketers. 

      I don't have anything against marketers mind you, I write for some of them.  They seem to like my work, I get a lot of repeat business and I think it's because my goal is always to try and write an article that I would want to read and could understand.  I've only ever been asked for one topic that I turned down, so I'm lucky that way, too.

      One of the things that I love about HP is the freedom to write whatever I want. That is sweet, as you mentioned. I think that there are more than a few writers here for precisely that reason. HP puts the fun back into writing.

      Hal, your hubs are always an excellent read!  Congratulations on a high calculation of the HP formula.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      wannabwestern, please check my other Hubs to see what I think of employers who pay pennies for web content. Needless to say, my stand is that they should be run out of the business. Preferably on a rail.

      desert blondie, I have an extra added advantage since I'm a Gemini, thus my astrological factor gets multiplied by two! :)

      Hypnotherapist-uk, yes, I specialize in being a success while being clueless. :)

      jahnarisha, thanks. Make sure to apply that HubFormula exactly now! Any small calculation mistake and it will be skewed! :)

      Shirley Anderson, thanks for the kind comments. It goes back to the old saying of you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think. Most people (VMax and Lapping enthusiasts aside) are not stupid and they are not going to waste their valuable time reading junk that promotes junk. I hit the mute button on my TV remote control as soon as the commercials come on. Why would I willingly read endless copy which is trying to get me to buy some useless trinket or another, especially since the vast majority of stuff being hawked on the net is trash?

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      anime_nanet 8 years ago from Portugal

      You said it all Hal!

      A big thumbs up!

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      betherickson 8 years ago from Minnesota

      Wow. I'm impressed. I love this hub. Full of great information. Thumbs up! :)

      Please drop by at my hubs when you get some time. Cheers!

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks anime_nanet and betherickson! Much appreciated! :)

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      level1diet 8 years ago from Albuquerque, NM

      I've been around the world a few times during my 9 years in the Navy, and I've been taken by quite a few of the common 'scam a sailor' tricks on the streets of Naples, Hong Kong and Manila. I've been robbed at knife point, pick-pocketted while walking through a door, driven down blind alleys and backstreets and robbed by cab drivers, pumped for cash by bar-girls and waiters, trapped on highways by men weating police uniforms in the full light of day who demanded 'mordidas', and on and on.

      But, I've never seen the like of the way big-G runs their ad program. Talk about a scam!

      1) they never tell you how much they are paying for any specific keyword term (Amazon and eBay and thousands of other systems plainly tell you what share of revenue you will get.)

      2) they never tell you what the percentage share of total revenue is that they are paying --  are you getting 1%, 5%, 10% or 50%?

      3) it appears that their payout is auto-adjusted in a sliding scale that pays out less if your traffic or total clicks is higher (I've had small sites with only a few hundred visitors/day make 75-cents or more per click, while my more 'successful' sites with many thousands of unique visitors/day earned only 8-cents per click, even while the subjects and keywords were roughly the same. I've seen this trend for years.)

      4) they forbid you to use competitive affiliate income sources, working like a monopoly -- if you use Amazon or eBay to any significant extent, they stop sending you much traffic, or lower the pagerank, or even ban your site

      5) the whole operation is truly unbelievable -- imagine going to work for a real world company that tells you to work full time and refuses to tell you how much they will pay you, that sells what you produce to others and won't tell you what your share will be, and that won't let you work for others or resell your own copywrited material to others so you can make a good living -- but that is the world big-G lives in

      It's time for governments around the world to force them to operate their business in an open and honest manner. Time for big-G to tell its partners, affiliates, or 'content providers' how much they are earning for specific sales of keywords, what percentage they are getting of specific keywords on their sites, and so on.

      It's time for limits on their restrictive trade practices which forbid other affiliate systems on pages within sites their income system is linked to. They should not be permitted to "act in restraint of trade," as the Sherman Anti-Trust Act describes such corporate illicit behavior.

      In short, it's time that big-G be treated like most other companies in the world who operate in an open and relatively free market.

      It's time that those of us who provide content for these guys be treated in a fair and open way... as real partners, not slaves!

      And, as long as we continue to let them practice their dark arts, they will go on building their empire -- largely at our expense.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Well said! Bravo!

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      Jim Hickey 8 years ago from Maryville, Missouri

      "So Hal's Secret may just be this piece of advice: Write well about what you fully understand: The success will come."

      ahhh but so true or at least I hope so ... very nice hub btw

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      mureksoy 8 years ago from Florida USA

      Hi Hal, Nice hub! I'm thinking that if I had asked them to read the Y in my last name as a consanant instead of a vowel maybe the hubscore Gods would have engulfed me in an internet embrace of warmth and love. At least I can now celebrate because I made my first $2.54 on the internet.

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      Caleb's Dad 8 years ago from Washington state

      Forive my naivette, but I'm new to the Hubpages world, and I have a question arising out of this hub and the subsequent comments: can we still post hubs without Goggle having any part of our writing, or is that a "requirement?" It would appear they aren't playing too fair, so I'm not sure I want to play with them at all. Thanks to any who can answer this!

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      TravelAMP 8 years ago from Around the world

      Thanks for a good hub. Very simple and straight forward, write about what you know best. Just wondering about how hubscore works, most of my hubs seem to be ok. But a few has really low score like this Any idea?

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      WHoArtNow 8 years ago from Leicester, UK

      Its good to see there are still some writers in the world (a lot of whom seem to be on this fair site!) who still care for writing and not for their adsense account.

      A brilliant hub which will help me improve my status here on HubPages. Thank you

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Jim Hickey: Although traditional values have gotten scrambled in this insane internet age, some of them still apply, and there is never going to be a substitute for perseverance. We can keep hope alive by expecting that the cream will eventually rise to the top and all the Black Hat SEOs, Scam Marketers and the rest of their demonic ilk will return to Hell from whence they came.

      mureksoy: YIKES! $2.54! I hope you don't plan to invest that in the stock market! Stay liquid, or better yet, go into gold as it's usually a great hedge in rough economic times! :) Heck, my current Hub count on AdSense income now equals about ONE DOLLAR PER HUB so who am I to talk? :)

      Caleb's Dad: I don't think you can Hub and keep Google bots OUT of your pages. There is a robots.txt file that will do that, but I don't know of any way that you can implement it in Hub as we writers don't have access to the directories. So I would guess that the answer would be no.

      TravelAMP: As I stated, Darkside has a great Hub on the REAL calculation of the HubScore. I think that one of the main reasons your Phuket Hub is getting a low score is that I just clicked on the link and it said that page does not exist! :)

      Lorne S. Marr: Thanks for the extremely kind comments. Much appreciated!

      WHoArtNow: Thank you for your compliments and I wish you the best of luck in your Hubbing! Yay HubPages! Boo AdSense! :)

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      dabblingmum 8 years ago

      Maybe instead of worrying about "hub scores" we should just worry about producing good content.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Content is King! It might take a while, but if you produce good stuff, people will eventually come around to appreciating it. Just look at van Gogh! I just hope that I don't have to cut off my ear and kill myself before my stuff gets hot! :)

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      xiuk 8 years ago

      Thank you very much for these ideasw

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      No prob. Just send your 50% future royalty checks to: Hal, c/o HubPages... :)

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      grumpyjacksa 8 years ago from south africa

      the csc of the current NASDAQ index,.........

      We are doomed ! Or like Chicken Little said, "the sky is falling"........

      As if the maestro would REALLY tell us.........

      Never mind. you just keep'em coming and we'll keep on reading

      thanx !

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      gypsy10 8 years ago

      As a fairy new hubber I found this article very interesting and really enjoyed the information on the scoring. I have only written a few hubs. I only write on what I am interested in. I enjoy spending time on research. I do not think I will earn a great deal while I am doing it because I am not a great on for keywords but I will think more about that subject. I will carry on writing what I enjoy though and hopefully my score will go up and I might even get some comments on my articles and even some fans!!

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      profiler 8 years ago from Currently in this universe

      I feel the best thing is liking to write and liking the subjects about what you write.

      And that you certainly do Hal.

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      quicksand 8 years ago

      Of course! The best thing is to write on stuff you are aquainted with or have a profound interest in. You should also be able to discuss that very topic at length if required by the remarks that particular hub or article draws.

      I have even seen ads peddling software that they say is capable of re-arranging the phrases of an article in order to make it unrecognizable by even it's very author. I doubt that a computer program could do just that. Even if it is capable of doing so, the result would be top-gibberish. It would be deception at it's highest level.

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      oryzana 8 years ago from asia

      great hub. now i know how the score system works. [URL=http://tv-online-watch] :) [/url]

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      Karen LaVelle 8 years ago from Texas

      This has been a wonderful read! I am not only new to hubpages, I am new at writing for the public as well. For 30 years or more, people have been telling me that I need to write. So, when I found the hubpages, I decided it was time to start. I truly did not know what to write about, but somewhere in the distant past, I remembered that someone told me to always write about what I know best. I never thought I was any good at telling stories, but I kept that one statement in mind as I wrote my hubs. You have reinforced the statement and my confidence just went up another notch.

      I could care less about the advertising, except that perhaps people will read my stories and find them interesting...I won't throw the check away if ever one comes my way, though. I don't understand how they all work, yet, nor about links, traffic generation or the lot. But I do understand that if what I write makes me happy then maybe it will be of interest to others as well. I think it falls into the "nonsense" catagory for the most part. But I actually wrote something and published it in a public place! Thanks for the advice and the explantion of the scoring system...yours makes a lot more sense to me.! =o)

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      tbd 8 years ago from Delhi, India

      Though I came to HubPages with a slight intention to make money (20-25%) to be precise, but after reading this hub, I think you're right, losing self-respect is worse than losing money. Even though you may be making less money, but my respect for you has risen, for the fact that you've provided some quality content (this hub really makes my mind ponder).

      That's all for now. Its my turn to see, how much quality can I maintain in my webspace.

      Thank you..

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      Linda C Smith 8 years ago

      Loved your "secret!"

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      Die'Dre' 8 years ago from The Great Pacific Northwest

      I found this a fun read. I enjoy writing and sharing. Money is not my motivation.

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      rkat 8 years ago

      very interesting insight on hub earnings and philosophy. you are definitely a writer first, and the money is just a nice side effect.

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      TravelAMP 8 years ago from Around the world

      @Hal Licino lol the URL had an error. Shouldn't be a fullstop at the end. I'll take a closer look at darkside's hub. Thanks.

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      Reusable Bags 8 years ago from MA

      I see those ads so often for the "Adsense Money Making Formula," the "Google Adsense Cheat Test," "The Scam to Make Money on Adsense that Google is Okay With," and more along these lines everywhere, it's insulting to our intelligence! It's great to see that you keep your integrity and write quality content for the sake of writing great READABLE stuff, not to get clicks. Nice work!

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      TravelAMP: I have written a Hub in reply to your question.

      Please check it out. Oh, and I may want to warn you that you may not be overly pleased. You know me... I call 'em as I see 'em! But dude, come on... you don't ask a scam-buster like me for advice when you are a scammer! :)

      grumpyjacksa: Have you looked at the markets lately? We really are DOOMED! Chicken Little was right! Head for the hills, and make sure you have plenty of food, water and ammo! :)

      gypsy10: Keep on pluggin'... perseverance is always the key!

      profiler: I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the kudos!

      quicksand: All those spinners, rearrangers, etc. produce, as you stated, top-gibberish. They are worse scams than the Miracle Code that makes you rich overnight.

      oryzana: Glad to enlighten you! :)

      Karen LaVelle: You should never be concerned with your content. As long as it is factual and it represents your legitimate opinion, then it will eventually find its readership. With 6.4 billion people on Earth (and an inordinate number of them on the internet) you can be certain that someone somewhere shares your views!

      frankharber: Thanks! I appreciate it.

      tbd: It's funny how it seems that so many people out there actually believe that the internet has changed writing forever. That is completely wrong. The cream will always rise to the top, although it definitely does have a lot more pollutants to go through! :)

      Linda C Smith: Wait until I share my secret for scrumptious blueberry turnovers! :)

      Die'Dre': Keep on writin' and sharin'! There's nothing better on the net than people who honestly and selflessly provide their viewpoints!

      rkat: Hey, I like money as much as the next guy. I have bills too. Lots of them. I've played the game of being "rich boy publisher" with a house in the Hollywood Hills, chauffeur, etc. If I'd kept that up I'd be a "major player" today, but there's also a good chance that I'd have died of stress-related diseases years ago. I'd much rather be typing in my underwear watching the bald eagles soar outside my window, and that's exactly what I'm doing! :)

      Reusable Bags: Thanks! Let's face it... there is absolutely no difference between these "Secret Formulas" and any other confidence scam. Scamming is the second-oldest profession and once the completely unregulated Wild West Web came into existence, it was understandable that it would be fertile ground for every ripoff artist on earth!

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      esocial 8 years ago from California

      Good math! Make a neat story problem for high school students today :)

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      LancasterPAGuide 8 years ago from Lancaster PA

      Wow, Thanks Hal,

      Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, I had been on Hub Pages for all but 2 days and had my Hub snubbed as being to overly promotional and went back to reedit my hub and still had been snubbed as to promotional but after reading your comments I believe I may understand what I need to do to insure a better score.

      I wanted to use hub pages to promote my new website but didn't realize that I had overly promoted the hub to such a degree because the site is meant to benefit everyone in my hometown since it's a portal with all local information, weather, watch tv etc.

      Just like in anything you get out what you put in and I need to do more homework. How many re-edits will hubpages give you before you are banned? I really want to provide quality while at the same time providing information so that people may find my site. Do you get banned? I am not sending people to a google adsense site, I have over 2,000 pages of good content.

      Thank you in advance.

      I am off to start using what you had taught and I'll keep you posted as to the progress, again thank you from a newbie:)


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      Home 'n Biz Blend 8 years ago from Yarrawonga Park

      Thanks Hal,

      Okidoke - I get it. Just "do what you do do well, boys, do what you do do well..."

      Write what you love to write about. And the results'll take care of themselves.

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      magnoliazz 8 years ago from Wisconsin

      Thank you for writing a revealing and interesting hub. I gave you a thumbs up.

      I was very surprised to find several of my hubs on the first page of google. I honestly do not know how I did that. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to get rich from Google Ad sense anytime soon, even though some of my hubs are on the first page of Google. I would really like to meet those people who claim they have become millionaires through Google.

      There is one other problem I am having and that is I have to approve all my comments on all my hubs, and I do not have any of the comments set up to be approved by me to begin with. If anyone knows how to overcome this problem, please reply to this comment

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      broalexdotinfo 8 years ago from EU

      Wrinting for the search engines is the same as writing for people, as they are the ones typing keywords in the search box not the search engines looking for your articles. Interesting read, of what I know so far, those Mesolethamia )or whoever it`s spelled that nasty disease) stories are just rumours. I have never seen a single ad about mesothemia on any of the sites I`ve visited. Someone even made a test, registering a fake adsense account to click on his own ads and found out no Mesolethamia ads were showing up.

      Looking to read more from you.

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      sherlynavia 8 years ago from United States

      I enjoyed your hub. Hal's Secret sounds great.

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      Jamie Carroll 8 years ago from California

      Thank you for taking the time to write this article. I'm new to hubbing so it helped give me some direction.

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      Julianna 8 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

      My goodness !! i don't know they had such a lengthy formula. I am right there with you , when it comes to the money. I enjoy writing on HubPages and that is all that matters. As it is explained it will come. Great Hub!!!

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      Mark Pearson 8 years ago from UK

      Nice Hub Hal...wise words!

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      coolgardenthings 8 years ago from USA

      This turned out to be very great! Honestly at first when I started to read, and you went into the silly formula, I figured it was just a joke page and was ready to skip it.

      As I peered to the right and saw your Fan & Hub Post #'s, it seemed that there must be something to this cat. So, as I read, your writing style began to capture me and evole into an understandable article about what "your" perspectives are. To say the least I enjoyed it.

      Surely enough, as I came to the end of your writings, it was with curiosity, that I'd peak at a few of the comments. WOW.

      Your sense of humor with formulas that carried over into the comment replies got me hooked and, of course, lured me to read more of them...till I was, yeah, to the end. With that said, thanks for the entertainment and legend to the code.

      *by the way, comment to people who hate on G's Ad' one is putting a gun to your head saying you have to read, use, buy or anything else with them. They work wonders for some and well, some not. Best of wishes ~

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      Shelly Begarowicz 8 years ago from Up-North, MI


      I'm glad you cleared up the HubScore thing for me. And I thought it'd be a complicated formula or something... ;)


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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      esocial: Thanks, I'm a math whiz. I've whizzed on many a math textbook. :)

      LancasterPAGuide: I don't know how many re-edits you get but you might want to ask that question on the forums. I do know that people get banned but that's usually when they really deserve it. HubPages is generally a very fair place.

      Home 'n Biz Blend: Okidoke right back at ya! :)

      magnoliazz: As you know I'm no big fan of the "first page of Google" hype. Some of my Hubs are not just first page, but first place in some fairly meaty keywords, and I'm lucky to make enough to dine out at Wendy's 99c menu. As for the comment approval, I have the opposite problem. Since I regularly get the raving looneys threatening my life and private parts, I'd WANT to have all comments moderated, but the only way I know how is to go into each of the 459 Hubs and do that manually. I wish that there was an universal template for settings. Again, I think that the forums might provide the answers.

      broalexdotinfo: You might want to read my Hub and MAKE SURE you click on THIS LINK at the end. You may be surprised! :)

      sherlynavia, JAIDEEP, Jamie Carroll, AEvans, Mark Pearson: Thanks! I appreciate the compliments. :)

      coolgardenthings: I'm glad you stuck around past the "formula." :)

      The Rat RaceRebel: If you really wanna have a good laugh, check out where you can read the Google formula which looks like something out of the Large Hadron Collider!

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      integritylance 8 years ago

      Great article thanks

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      You're very welcome! :)

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      CamKC 8 years ago

      This same post appears elsewhere on hubpages, appearing to be written by another author - I was searching for your post, and then was surprised that this one came up - but there was no picture of a cat riding a motorbike. Weird.

      It was real hard to find this original article because Google listings don't show the title of the hubpage if you use Advanced Search to ask for search only at this URL:

      Funnily you do see the title of this post if you use standard search, as I did using

      but the entry to take me to the true URL (like blogs produce when you click Permalink) was 4th in the listing, and so was below


      Interestingly, when trying to find this post, it was the uniqueness of your photo that helped me find your name, by scrolling down all hubbers until I saw the adventurous cat.

      (Lucky I didn't read your words originally on the page of the white capped copyist).

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      CamKC 8 years ago

      This clickable link in earlier post don't work because of the full-stop at the end

      So please use this correct link

      Sorry about that.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks for the heads up, CamKC. I really appreciate it. This blatant ripoff must stop. I've flagged the Hub and hope that Ruud's Rangers tear a strip off this thief's hide! :(

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      Misha 8 years ago from DC Area

      Flagged it too - so they'll come faster :D

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I know where I want to stick the flag, and it's not just in HubPages Inbox... these blatant ripoff artists are really starting to cheese me off... and you know that when I get angry, I get all big and mean and green and... :)

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      Misha 8 years ago from DC Area


      The hub is gone, and hope the "hubber", too :)

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      As the old song goes... The Hub never dies, just the Hubber! :)

      GOOD RIDDANCE! These bozos should go hold up 7-11s, at least that way they might get arrested for their thievery! :(

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      RightClicker 8 years ago

      Have you forgotten RCTSA? Right Click To Show Appreciation - right click on every link & choose "open in new tab" so you can carry on reading the article. Or have I missed something?

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      CamKC 8 years ago

      @magnoliazz above was asking how she could approve comments (sometimes called "moderating" comments) before they appeared on hubpages and I think the answer may be on page 6 of the pdf from the faq page

      I'm new to hubpages so I don't really understand this, but it says you can change the default setting from "No approval needed" to "Let me approve first" in the Comments Capsule.

      I followed RightClicker's example and did "RCTSA" to all the advertising links on this post - neat idea. And in the process found out what those strange <> and V^ symbols do on the ad space! Nice one, RightClicker.

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      ClaudioXerez 8 years ago from Teresina - Piaui - Brazil

      Hi, i'm new here and found this hub when looking at hot section. As i didn't start to write my own hubs yet this page was really a great tip. In fact as stated, the secret is that there's no secret. Just write your own way about what you like and you will succeed. Very nice post. I wish you good luck :-)

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      Rebecca Graf 8 years ago from Wisconsin

      Thank you for your honesty. I think that it is fun to play the "game" of what my score will be as I make changes and watch the viewers.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks for the kind words, folks! Much appreciated!

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      mhei 8 years ago from Philippines

      this hub is uber great!!!if writing is your passion, yes, it will really be a good idea that you'll have alot of clicks everyday, but it will really work best if people reads and appreciates what you wrote

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      Bryce 8 years ago from Northern California Coast

      Totally enjoyed this hub -- great, pull-no-punches style. I haven't been here very long, but had already come to the conclusion that if I wanted to try to manipulate getting clicks (for a few freaking cents!!) I'd have to be an idiot with no self-respect. As much as I hoped this activity might help cover some bills, the part of it I enjoy the most is checking out what other people are writing, and the occaisional cool response to something I wrote (which like you, I wrote because it was what I wanted to write). Thanks for your ethical voice here. Trent

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      fortune 500 global 8 years ago

      I really appreciate this and completely agree with this that to get success in writing means to provide authentic and valuable information to the audience. I write many business reports and also working on few industry analysis reports. All are well with authentic and real facts & figures.

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      nancydodds1 8 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Its very nice about how to be successful in hubs. I had gone through your hub its very interesting.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thank you very much for the kind words, all! I appreciate it!

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      Pramod Suraparaju 8 years ago from Los Angeles, California

      Thanks Hal for the infomation. This helps.

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      marketingprof 8 years ago

      As a new hubber, you put forth helpful information here, for newbies and veterans alike. I really enjoyed your hubscore calculator... I was running out of things to calculate! What I hearing you say is, add value in an others centered way...

      Thanks Hal.(nice comment thread too! :-)

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      TKIMWRSVC 8 years ago from United States

      your comment way up there about get a freelancer and elance is exactly what i am experiencing with them. But I am getting some interesting data on the most common requests in get a freelancer, throwing into a spreadsheet to pivot table out. thanks for a great hub, I needed the support in my own goals.

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      Jyoti Kothari 8 years ago from Jaipur

      What a hub! but the singlemost tough task is to reach the place for comment. Such a long list. By the way how many comments are there?

      Pls put amazon ads above to increase your income.


      Jyoti Kothari

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      white atlantic 8 years ago from INDIA

      one of the best hubs i ever read here.nice..............

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      sybercat 8 years ago

      First hub I ever read, very useful thanks. 'fanned' and rated.

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      AutomatedList 8 years ago from United States

      Hey Hal,

      Excellent post. Like your writing style and it is really helpful for relatively new hubbers like myself. So long as search engines rely on fresh relevent content to serve their customers, seasoned writers like yourself and anyone else who chooses to write for the reader vs. the robot will always succeed.

      Thanks for your example.


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      Artem 8 years ago

      Wow, some really useful hints. "Write well about what you fully understand" "write for your readers and not for search engines and clicks" I always have puzzled as to how the rating system works and you've really helped. Thanks for a fantastically useful hub.

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      kiwimeg 8 years ago from New Zealand

      Love your secret! Thanks for a great hub!!

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      marketingmergenow 8 years ago from Spokane

      Brilliant hub mate! 


      It shows that hardwork & determination can despite popular believe can bring big dividends in the long run.   Thank you for giving us such a great article to help us, in creating better hubs..  






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      Julie Trevelyan 8 years ago

      Hey, this was indeed funny. Thanks for the chuckles, needed them today in particular. I may just have to follow your hubs now... :)

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      LearnSpanishNow 8 years ago from New York

      Great information. Writing for writing's sake is good, if you can do it. Marketing, (selling- same thing) is not a dirty word, either. Both are needed to make the world go round.

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      Rose English 8 years ago from England

      Thanks !!

      I was pleasantly surprised and pleased by your appreciation that 'content is king' as that what I've always believed, and, coincidentally, have also written about on my own freelancer site about Helping Newbie Writers To Earn Online :

      This isn't a plug for my own site - just genuinely pleased to 'meet' a like-minded hubber! and offer a 'high-five!'

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      noel1983 8 years ago

      wow wow this is a cool hub

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      mariane14 8 years ago from USA

      yes very cool...

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      MoshJercer 8 years ago

      As a new hubber (if that is a word).  I appreciate you putting your article out there!



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      starrwriter 8 years ago from Cottage Grove, Wisconsin

      Hey Hal,

      Wow, I like your style. I'm looking forward to reading your Hubs on auto fuel efficiency.  I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the Big 3 bailout talks.



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      Sodasound 8 years ago from Calgary, Canada

      I'm glad the second of two hubs I started with when I signed on is a "white-hatter." (In Calgary, the white-hat has sadly become what the Order of Canada and the Nobel Prize have become - glad-handing benedictions.)

      I'm sure my appearance here is but another appearance of the mid-life career change cliche. However, I write by the same ethic that I used to play guitar on street corners: I am not here to regurgitate "Hotel California" for an extra buck (it wrecks my voice, and I always break a string). Nor will I compete for how much booze I can sell, harboring the fantasy of graduating to selling soft-drinks.

      I might try to cobble together a musician's-joke hub though. Fun can be a deep field of inquiry.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Hi! Thanks to all for the kind words. They are much appreciated!

      starrwriter, I have just addressed the Big Three in:

      Let me know what you think! :)

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      Shaun Lindbergh 8 years ago from Cape Town, South Africa

      Thanks Hal, very intersting hub. I heard somewhere (HubPages?) that the click rate is between 0.5% and 4% of views. If that's right, you need huge traffic to your pages or there's not much moola coming from Adsense.

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      Bruce Elkin 8 years ago from Victoria, BC Canada

      Good stuff, Hal. Solid, engaging, and useful. Writing for the reader, not the click. I love it!

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      Vietnam 8 years ago

      Great idea, thank you

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      Angie497 8 years ago

      Hal, I don't think I could throw in a compliment that hasn't been repeated a dozen times, so I'll keep it simple - thank you! This was wonderful for a new hubber.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Shaun Lindbergh, my click rate is well under 2%. I don't write for clicks and couldn't care less about them. Sure, I like money as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to taint my writing with clickbait. If it means that I won't be rich off Google money so be it. I assure you I'm not alone... does anyone on Hubpages really make serious money off of Adsense? And I've dropped my eBay and Amazon capsules as I never once earned one dollar from them!

      Bruce Elkin, Vietnam & Angie 497, thanks and much appreciated! Best of the season to all of you and yours!

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      Gary Anderson 8 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

      Hal, I appreciated the article. Perhaps you need to write about subjects that people are interested in turning into a sale! Or, perhaps there is a big flaw with the whole content/adsense method, ie that it doesn't really work except for the websites themselves! Now I am not being critical here, just realistic. I am new here but I have been at Squidoo and it is very difficult to generate money off affiliate (amazon) links and adsense. That is just the way it is. Remember, Hubpages says clearly that thinking that one can make a bundle at this is just not a likely scenario. I realize that was a bit of a paraphrase but you get what I mean. People here like to express themselves and that has to be the main reason for doing it. There are some folks who are making money probably because they have a certain understanding of keywords and can write a sincere article using really hot keywords and thus can generate an income. Perhaps Google trends would be helpful there. I have talked to people who have done ok with that emphasis.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Unfortunately, I would much rather rub tuna juice all over my naked body and go jump in the Bengal Tiger cage at the zoo than write about subjects that people are interested in for sales purposes. If my readers want to buy stuff, they can let their own fingers google whatever they want. My belief is that the readership should be respected, informed and entertained, not sold on whatever junk I'm trying to hawk in order to make a few AdCENTS. If that means that my 2009 Bentley Continental GT is going to have to wait a bit longer, then so be it! :)

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      LondonGirl 8 years ago from London

      "When the rampaging lunatic mobs come after me, I give as good as I get in the language/slang their addled neurons can comprehend."

      Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Yeah, but it's fun to argue with idiots. Check out my Hub on Bearbaiting:


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      Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

      HAL! HAL HAL HAL! It was my birthday yesterday! ^_^ And oh my god, talk about a crazy frickin' day! :O lol *hug* I haven't talked to you in foreverrrrr! How've you been, buddy? :D

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      wordstock 8 years ago from Southern California

      I'm new too and I appreciate all the information you provided. I like the Hub format and can see spending more time here. Thanks again

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      KIKAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa... I didn't get a notification three weeks ago when you wrote me, and this is the first time I got on this Hub since I did get a message about wordstock's comment. How have you been? Happy BELAYED birthday!!! :)

      wordstock, Hub is a great place for writers and readers alike. There is an amazing variety of content and almost anyone can find something to their liking!

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      tdarby 8 years ago

      I could sell you some dimple cream for your derriere. :)

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Please ship over a 55 gallon drum. That might last me the week! :)

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      QueenEmma 5 years ago

      I applaud your candid view of the scammers and I'm sure we all agree and feel the same way! Best of luck with your blogging. Thank you!

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