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If You Want To Make Real Money Online, Forget Adsense.

Updated on October 23, 2012
 

There are better ways to make money online than Adsense.

 
 

I know that many people use Adsense as a way to earn some money from their websites. If you'd like to make a little bit of money online, then Adsense is probably the best way to go. If you want to make a lot of money online, then I'll show you how you can do much better than simply using Adsense.

About 2 years ago I got my start with earning money online. What started it all for me was an article about domain names in a magazine called Web 2.0. And I bought a copy at an airport when I was looking for something to read.

There was one thing in the article that really caught my attention. It seems that a new industry had sprung up on the internet: PPC, or Pay-Per-Click. Another fact that I learned from that article was that some people, probably about 15%, use direct navigation, meaning that they don't use a search engine to find what they are looking for, they just type it in the address bar, add on the extension .com, and hit enter. Domain names that get a lot of direct navigation traffic are worth a lot of money. Of course, those names are already taken.

My First Introduction To Pay Per Click

But I was fascinated by the thought of PPC. You could own a domain name, put some PPC ads on it, and get paid when people click on the ads. What a great way to make money I thought. Own a collection of those and you could live off the income they generate. And some people were doing just that. Sure sounded easier than breaking my back doing construction until I die.

I registered and bought about 50 domain names that I thought were pretty decent. My next step was to join a domain parking service. They work with thousands of advertisers and automatically place ads on your domain that are targeted to the theme of your domain.

There are a couple of domain parking services that I joined to see which ones were going to work best. Goldkey, Fabulous, and TrafficZ were the top three, so I joined them all. The domains cost me $300 (50 x $6 each). I wondered how long it would take to earn that back.

As I soon found out, my domains did not receive much traffic. On average, each domain received about one type-in traffic visitor per week. That would be about 200 visitors per month for my entire domain portfolio. What do those visitors see when they come to my domain? A page with a bunch of text ads on it. And how much revenue would those visitors bring? About $12.00. It would take me over 2 years just to recoup my initial costs. The problem was, the $6.00 fee that I paid for each domain was only valid for one year. After 12 months, I would have to pay another $6.00 if I wanted to register and keep using the domain for another 12 months.

Domain parking didn't work so I switched to content development.
Domain parking didn't work so I switched to content development.

Going From Domain Parking To Content Development

As I found out, you can get more traffic to your domains/websites by having content on them rather than just some text ads. By having content on them, the search engines will index your website pages and include them in the search results when someone is searching for something specific. In addition, I learned that Google offers a program called Adsense whereby you can put Google ads directly on your pages and split the revenue with Google whenever one of those ads is clicked.

Having content and getting websites to come up in search engine results pages offered a greater opportunity than simply parking my domains so I began to develop my domain names into websites with content, and applied for an Adsense account with Google. I had read that banks and loan companies were spending up to $20 per click for mortgage ads.

Google doesn't state what percentage of the revenue from these ads they keep and what percentage you get, but a pretty close guess is that Google keeps 60% and the website owner keeps 40%. Not that fair in my eyes, but still, I thought that if I could get 100 clicks per day, that would amount to over $500 per day in revenue for me. That would be close to $15,000 per month.

Stories of Adsense riches got my attention.
Stories of Adsense riches got my attention.

I was Lured By Stories Of Huge Adsense Earnings

I had read that some website owners were making in excess of $20,000 per month, and some were even making over $50,000 per month in passive income just from Google Adsense. That certainly appealed to me.

To get 100 clicks per day, I would need to get between 1,000 and 2,000 visitors per day, assuming that between 5 and 10% of them would click on the ads. And how would I get that many visitors per day? All the information that I read at the time suggested to use SEO (search engine optimization) techniques to rank highly in the search engine results pages. Top spots for certain searches could result in thousands of visitors per day.

So I begin to read everything I could about SEO. I created my websites according to the best SEO information available. The results? I made it to the top of MSN briefly for a few keywords. Keywords are simply what people type into the search engine. "Mortgage" is a keyword. "Mortgage application" is a keyword phrase. "Apply online for a mortgage" is another. "Best mortgage refinance rate" is still another. "Florida mortgage refinance" is another. There are literally millions of keywords.

High-paying keywords on Google are extremely competitive.
High-paying keywords on Google are extremely competitive.

It Is Difficult To Get To The Top Of Google For High-Traffic Keywords

I never did get to the top of Google for any keywords. It seems that Google favors established websites and penalizes new ones. New websites have to prove trustworthy before Google will rank them highly. SEO professionals call this the Google Sandbox.

I got to the top of MSN for a few keywords, how did I do? Well, at its peak, I was getting about 90 to 100 visitors per day. Anywhere from 3 to 8 of them would click on the Google Adsense ads. If I was getting $4.00 per click, at 8 clicks per day, that would be $32.00 per day or about $900 per month. That would pay for half of a house payment.

Did I earn that much? Not even close.

You see, in November of 2005 Google made a change that allowed advertisers to bid separately for Adsense ads compared to ads displayed in Google Search Results. Mortgage clicks were still going for $10.00 to $20.00 per click in the search results, but on Adsense, the price dropped to around 25 to 40 cents. I was getting 10 to 15 cents per click. 4 to 8 of those per day amounted to a little less than a dollar.

Adsense did not bring in the money like the gurus said it would.
Adsense did not bring in the money like the gurus said it would.

Reality Never Came Close To What Was Promised

It doesn't take an accountant to figure out that $25 to $30 per month will not provide much of a financial future. The gurus were talking about $20,000 to $50,000 per month, and in reality, $30 per month was the truth.

Considering the time that I invested in trying to set up Adsense income, and the income that I received from it, Adsense was a total failure for me. My best month ever was $116.00. And some weeks I worked 20 to 25 hours per week. That was a far cry from what the gurus were claiming: work about an hour per day and earn $10,000 to $20,000 per month.

All I can say is the gurus are typical salesmen: tell the prospects whatever they want to hear in order to make the sale. Truth? Huh! It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is make the sale.

In my offline, real-world business, this would never, ever work. I wouldn't accept those conditions in the real world. So why should I try to make it work online? Answer: I shouldn't. It took me 7 months to figure that fact out. It was an expensive lesson more in terms of time than money spent. I probably spent about $1,000 on informational products that would educate me on developing a high Adsense income. I could live with spending that on an education. But I spent so many hours following the directions and suggestions. Those hours didn't provide the income results that I was looking for.

 

Fast forward to October 2006.

 
 

I had read that some advertisers will pay for cost-per-action (CPA), such as filling out a form. There are CPA networks formed to bring website owners together with advertisers. These CPA networks keep a percentage of the fee.

This is where I have been focusing my efforts for the past 11 months. And the results have exceeded my expectations. I've found that it is far better to be near the food chain of internet marketing, rather than the bottom.

The Food Chain of Internet Marketing.
The Food Chain of Internet Marketing.

The Food Chain of Internet Marketing

Internet marketing is a very broad term. Anything that is advertised online falls under the giant umbrella of internet marketing. Where you choose to be within that giant space will determine how much money you are able to make. Here are the different segments of the internet marketing world:

Minnows:

At the very bottom of the internet marketing food chain we have the minnows. There are literally hundreds of thousands of little mom & pop websites online. How do they earn income from these websites? Most will use Google Adsense to generate an income from the traffic their websites receive.

Google Adsense is also called the contextual network, or content network. This is what I used to do, but not any more. These websites that display Google Adsense ads are at the very bottom of the online food chain. If you want to spend a lot of time creating this type of website and only want to make $100 per month or so, then this is for you. It is not for me.

Google in the largest scavenger on the net.
Google in the largest scavenger on the net.

Scavengers:

Next up the food chain are the scavengers. They place themselves in between the bottom feeders (minnows) and those that are higher up the food chain. Primary examples of Scavengers are the search engines. Google, Yahoo, MSN, and all the smaller search engines as well.

Scavengers earn their money from ad revenue. Pure and simple. Bottom feeders attract visitors with the content on their website, then generate revenue when an ad from a scavenger gets clicked. Scavengers attract visitors with their search technology.

Currently, Google is the best at this game. Google makes their money the same way that bottom feeders do: they display ads and when an ad gets clicked on, Google earns a fee.

Scavengers also earn money when one of their ads on a bottom feeder's site gets clicked on, although the scavengers give a portion to the bottom feeder. If you have a method that is better than Google's to rank and display search results that are relevant, then you should become a scavenger. Otherwise, there are better spots in the food chain to be at.

Affiliates are always hunting for customers.
Affiliates are always hunting for customers.

Hunter/Affiliate:

A hunter/affiliate is someone who is actually hunting for a customer. The hunter/affiliate is always attempting to create a transaction between a buyer and a seller. The hunter/affiliate brings more value to the process by converting a click into a sale, or at minimum, a lead for a product or service. This product or service is not his own, but on behalf of a whale (we'll get to those in a minute.)

Hunter/affiliates get visitors to their websites by paying scavengers and bottom feeders for displaying their ads. They pay for visitors by the click. The reason they do this is because they know what to do with that visitor!

Hunter/affiliates are involved in a game that richly rewards a higher level of skill, knowledge, expertise and efficiency. Six figure incomes are common among Hunter/affiliates.

Hunters actually create a valuable transaction between buyer & seller, and get paid handsomely from higher up the food chain for their good work.

Huntin packs group together large numbers of hunters.
Huntin packs group together large numbers of hunters.

Hunting Packs:

Hunting packs are simply companies that group together large numbers of hunter/affiliates. They pool their resources and bring together this big group of Hunter/affiliates and Whales. Hunting Packs earn their income by keeping a portion of the revenue that whales pay to hunters.

Examples of Hunting Packs are Affiliate Networks such as Commission Junction Primary Ads, CPA Empire, and Azoogle Ads.

Hunting Packs add value to the process by bringing large groups of Hunter/affiliates to the Whales, providing lots of customers in one location to the Whales. Whales really like lots of customers!

Hunting Packs also make life much easier for the Hunter/affiliate by doing most of the web design, coding and tracking for them. It's win/win/win. Hunting Packs are multi-million dollar companies with employees, managers, coding technicians, an office, and lots of overhead. They manage the money between the Hunter/affiliates and the Whales. Hunting Packs routinely, and I mean like clockwork, cut 5 and 6 figure checks to Hunter/affiliates every month.

Whales are at the top of the internet food chain.
Whales are at the top of the internet food chain.

Whales:

Whales are the giants of internet marketing. A Whale knows the lifetime value of a customer and will pay a hefty price to obtain that customer. Whales use every means possible for acquiring new customers. They rely on Hunting Packs, Hunter/affiliates, and will even hunt for themselves. However, they are at the very top of the food chain of internet marketing. There is nobody above them.

This is where we all want to be, don't we? Maybe, but maybe not. It is possible to operate at different levels of the food chain simultaneously. You can be at more than one place in the food chain at one time.

Whales have lots of things to attend to every day. There are Customers. Inventory. Phone calls. Schedules. Office Details. Credit Card Processing. Recordkeeping. Employees. Sick employees (even worse!). And headaches, lots of headaches. You may not want to be a Whale. You'll likely find that somewhere beneath the Whales and above the Scavengers is the sweet spot online. This is where you can earn a six figure income without employees, overhead, products, a physical office address, and all the other elements and headaches associated with a traditional business, such as a restaurant, dry-cleaner, or retail store.

The Food Chain In Action

To further illustrate how the food chain works, I will explain in detail how it operates.

First we meet Greg. Greg likes going on trips and has two children in college, and a third entering soon. Greg is a hard-working, straightforward, likeable kind of guy with a somewhat subdued Maine accent. Although Greg did drop out of college after one semester, he does make up for it with plenty of street-smarts and real world business experience.

Living on the coast of Maine and knowing many lobstermen, Greg capitalizes on that and creates a website that sells the absolute freshest, live Maine lobsters. He sells 2 lobsters for $114, which includes taxes, packaging, and guaranteed overnight shipping by Federal Express.

Knowing the lifetime value of a customer, Greg enlists the help of Share-a-Sale (a Hunting Pack) to bring lots of hunters, and through them, customers to the table.

Richard, an experienced internet marketer, has an account with Share-a-Sale and sees that Greg is offering $25.00 for every sale that occurs as a result of Richard's efforts. Richard applies to promote Greg's product. Richard is immediately approved.

Richard is a Hunter/Affiliate

Being the savvy internet marketer that he is, Richard enlists Google Adwords (a Scavenger) to advertise the freshest live Maine lobsters. Richard does some keyword research and pays $0.30 cents per click on Google's search results and $0.06 cents per click on Google's content network, which is also know as Adsense.

Richard tests and tracks his advertising efforts, including tracking each keyword in the search results and tracking the visitors from the content network separately. Richard finds that he needs approximately 200 visitors from the content network to create one sale.

Enter Sally (the Minnow). Like Greg, Sally is also a website owner. But unlike Greg, Sally is not a Whale. Sally is a minnow. Sally is happy to build websites all day long and put Google Adsense ads on them, sending her visitors higher up the food chain to Google, Richard, Share-a-Sale and eventually Greg!

Sally gets a trickle of visitors each day to each of her sites. On this particular day, Sally had 200 visitors to her site SallysUniqueAndLuxuriousGiftsOfSanFrancisco.com (not a real site). Of those 200 visitors, a whopping 10% clicked on one of the ads. Sally is receiving from Google about 40% of the $0.06 cents that Richard is paying, or about $0.03 cents per click (we are rounding up on Sally's behalf).

So on this day, Sally earned $0.60 cents from that website (20 people x $0.03 cents each). Google earned the other $0.60 cents from Sally's visitors clicking on the ads.

Richard spent $12.00 to buy 200 clicks on Google's content network (Sally did not get all of Richard's clicks, other content providers got some as well). By spending the $12.00, Richard generated one sale for Greg, and got paid $25.00 for doing so. After paying for his clicks, Richard netted $13.00, or over 100% return on his money in one day. Share-a-Sale received about $12.00 for bringing together Greg and Richard. And Greg received the $114.00 order.

Let's recap for the day:

* Sally netted and received $0.60 cents
* Google netted $7.00 (after paying Sally and other website owners)
* Share-a-Sale received $12.00
* Richard netted $13.00 after costs
* Greg Received $114.00. What was his net?
 

Well, that depends on several factors. His cost for the lobsters are more expensive during the winter than during the summer. Assuming it was somewhere in between the lowest and highest price he pays, it was about $20.00 for the two lobsters. The foam cooler and box that he ships them in costs another $4.00. The gel ice packs that he includes to keep the lobsters refrigerated cost another $5.00.

It Takes a Lot of Money To Be a Whale

The labor involved in getting the lobsters and packaging them for shipment is another $3.00. Packaging tape, sea salt, wet knaps, and cooking instructions that he includes costs another $1.00. So, the total of his product costs amounts to about $33.00. Additionally there is the $12.00 fee for Share-a-Sale. There is also the $25.00 fee for Richard. That brings the total to an even $70.00.

The last item to be calculated is the Fedex shipping fee. This is expensive. All figures can be verified by visiting the FedEx website and checking the accuracy. When checking to determine shipping costs, you need to know the zip code of origin, destination, package weight and size.

The default size on the FedEx website is 1" x 1" x 1". Obviously, the lobsters will not fit in a box that small. The larger the box, the more the cost, even if the weight is identical. This is because the larger boxes fill the FedEx planes too quickly.

So if we go to the Fedex website, type in the origin zip code of 04101 for Portland, Maine, the destination zip code of 94103, the shipping weight of 8 pounds, and the box size of 8" x 10" x 14", we see that the cost to ship the lobsters is a whopping $64.92.

However, Greg has opened an account with Fedex and this saves him 15% on shipping rates, bringing his cost down to $55.18.

Therefore, Greg's total costs for this sale is $125.18. And Greg received $114.00. Greg actually lost a little over $11.00 on this sale! Such is the nature of the Whale. However, Greg has gained a new customer. When Christmas rolls around, as it does most years, Greg will run a promotion to his customer list and sell 2 more lobsters to this same customer. This time, Greg doesn't pay $37.00 in fees to Share-a-Sale and Richard. So on the next sale, Greg will make a profit of a little over $25.00. And when the 4th of July rolls around again, as it usually does every year or so, Greg will run a promotion to his customer list and sell 2 more lobsters to this same customer, making another profit of a little over $25.00.

Do you see the lifetime value of a customer?

So, to recap who made what for these transactions on this particular day:

* Sally netted and received $0.60 cents
* Google netted $7.00
* Share-a-Sale received $12.00
* Richard netted $13.00 after costs
* Greg lost $11.00!
 

I now ask you, who do you want to be in the above example? Who worked the hardest? That's hard to say. Sally works really hard designing her websites, filling them with interesting content, promoting them, doing link exchanges, getting publicity, fine-tuning, and all kinds of SEO chores. She puts in a lot of hours just to get her 200 visitors per day so that 10% of them will click on ads and she can earn her $0.60 cents! Google certainly worked hard developing their fancy math algorithms to rank, rate and sort through billions of web pages to be able to deliver the exact results that people are searching for. Google is constantly trying to improve those algorithms to deliver even better results to searchers. Google works hard for their $7.00.

Share-a-Sale works hard for their $12.00 as well. There are account managers, computer technicians, office and accounting staff, and others all dedicated to making sure that the Hunter/affiliates have what they need to do their job properly, as well as follow the rules set forth by the Whales. They do a lot of work behind the scenes and require a larger staff for these purposes.

How about Greg, he had to get the lobsters, package them, and ship them out. And on this day, his customer called at 2:30 in the afternoon complaining that she hadn't received her lobsters yet. She is waiting to go grocery shopping and wants to know where they are. So he tracks the package through Fedex and calls her back stating that they will be arriving at any time. As luck would have it, Fedex delivers the package while he is on the phone with Ms. Customer. 5 minutes later, Ms. Customer calls back to complain that the lobsters are the wrong color: they are green (live Maine lobsters are green and do not turn red until cooked). Greg explains to MS. Customer the details. She proceeds to ask a ton of questions. Greg politely answer them all. All this just for the opportunity to lose $11.00!

What about Richard? Well he spent some time writing some ads and placing those ads. Then he had to track those ads. That was a little bit of work, so he earned his $13.00. He actually earned more than anyone in the entire process of the transaction, from Minnow to Whale. If Richard is experienced, he probably worked the least out of anyone, for the most money. Does that sound good to you? And it gets better....

Tomorrow is Similar To Today

You see, tomorrow, everything is a repeat of today. Sally works diligently for hours on her sites just to get her 200 visitors. Google works on their algorithms. Share-a-Sale works on managing the Hunting Pack. And Greg ships 2 more lobsters, takes more phone calls, and loses another $11.00. But not Richard, he decides to take the day off and go fishing. :)

But he still earns his $13.00! And he didn't work at all. You see, once Richard finds a profitable offer to promote with profitable keywords, he lets that offer run and continues to generate residual income as long as Greg is willing to pay him $25.00 for a sale.

Can you see how being a Hunter/affiliate is the place to be for the highest income to work ratio?

Your goal as a Hunter/affiliate is to find profitable offers to promote and profitable keywords for those offers. And develop a big collection of them. The more offers you have running at a profit, the higher your income will be.

So how do you find the winners? Good old-fashioned trial and error. There are no magic beans to this business. Certainly, after some experience, you'll get somewhat of a feel for what might work and what probably won't, but you'll have to test to be sure. And lots of times when you test, the results are opposite of what you expected. It's like mining for gold: the only way to find the nuggets is to sift through a lot of dirt. Plain and simple.

But, oh, when you find those nuggets! The video shows the potential income over time if you continue to write ads diligently every week.

For More Information

In this single hub I cannot explain everything that you need to know in order to learn how to do everything required to develop an income similar to that in the video. I will write other hubs to teach different aspects of internet marketing.

I'd invite you to visit my homepage and have a look at my other hubs. All comments are welcome, both positive as well as constructive criticism.

Thanks for taking the time to read my hubs. :)

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      Sergey Brinn 2 years ago

      I wonder if Greg is still around... Last replies 6 years ago :-) Greg, still in IM? Or... back to construction? Neat article anyway :-)

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      Google 2 years ago

      Greg, you are banned from AdSense forever!

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      Tony 3 years ago

      Great. You just gave me 11 months.

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      Greate story. I liked the animal analogy.

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      jhmnf 3 years ago

      Why are you using google adsense?

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      Doodlehead 5 years ago from Northern California

      Very enlightening. About 10 years ago I used adwords and made good money selling my product online. No more. I am behind the pack.

      You have put the scenario in plain English, easy to understand. Thank you... I don't feel as bad now though it is still like a game to try to succeed in this area.

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      Somebodyotherthanme 5 years ago

      I spent about 6 months developing one blog basically just making a post a day sometimes not even that, built some backlinks and next thing you know its PR2 with a nice amount of income (500-1000$ per month although there was a small drop about 5 days before mothers day its already recovering).

      This blog is just one example but imagine I had 8-9 blogs, the posts are about things that will never change so they are always up-to-date and so now I don't even have to write anymore for that blog. I haven't written in weeks (however I am starting again now that I have the time for it).

      You can't seriously say that Adsense is a waste of time, you just have to develop blogs that have information that will always be searched for.

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      escort bayanlar 6 years ago

      If you dont have the time to do that, I wouldnt just say forget adsense, i would press on forget IM altogether and stick to a day job.

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      Stephen Davies 6 years ago from UK

      I like the technique you covered but i must say, adsense does work, but not off parked domains... I find your view on adsense a little subjective to be frank.

      For anyone reading, and wondering about the parked domains model, forget that angle and go back to good ole unique and interesting content. same reasons for a working model apply to chitika, simply and other ad networks. The ads need to match up to the quality of the content on the page visited, and vice versa.

      Sorry, but if adsense is to work for you, you need a bunch of high traffic sites loaded with niche targeted content or as you say, adsense should be forgotton by the marketer as a revenue stream.

      Nothing misleading on this tip but yep, many sales pages on about inflated earnings from adsense are mostly bogus. Those that do earn well know simple points - niche targeted, useful content, and visitor engagement (social media).

      If you dont have the time to do that, I wouldnt just say forget adsense, i would press on forget IM altogether and stick to a day job.

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      Truetales 6 years ago from Australia

      "Don't get angry, get even"

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      deepakkumaarr 6 years ago

      you article is very useful .. this helped me a lot

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      cheapwebdesign 7 years ago

      Hate adsense , they suspended me for no reason at all, Thanks for the tips , i shall give them ago. cheers

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      World-Traveler 7 years ago from USA

      Well, that gives me some background information that I did not have before. Thank you for that, and thank you for the time you invested on putting this information together.

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      samironwebtrack 7 years ago

      very informative hub for me......gr8

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      George Poe 7 years ago from United Kingdom

      Great content for a hub. I'll bookmark this one for later...

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      8 years ago

      He is right about many things, especially the part on gurus.

      After years of research, I came to realize that when it comes to internet marketing, 99% of the information out there are either misleading or a whole chunk of important information is left out. And 99% of the people who come across that 1% of valuable info end up not taking any actions anyway.

      The more gurus(real ones) we have, the more saturated the market is. None of the ones who already made it to the top want that to happen. Unless you're paying for the information, which means that they have found a new source of income. :)

      I agree with the mom & pop homepage part, but I do not agree to adsense being at the bottom of the food chain. Let me give a good example: Markus Frind, founder of plentyoffish, earns a whooping adsense revenue of $250,000 PER MONTH. Probably more than what a lot of whales and hunter packs are earning. :)

      Having spent a considerable amount of time researching and going through trial and error, from forex trading to affiliate marketing to adsense, I came to realize one thing - Only a handful of people will ever make it to the top, the rest are just lost. And the advice given to you by the lost ones who are just like you will make you even more lost than ever.

      Learn, execute, fail, find out why, learn, execute, fail, find out why, learn, execute, succeed, learn, learn, learn, big success! That is how I spent my first year of internet marketing on. :)

      Have faith and don't just think, you have to DO IT!!!

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      Musa 8 years ago

      I know you're right that Adsense is a waste of time. You have some at the top yet i know you put them for a chance. he he he he ...!

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      caymanhost 8 years ago from Cayman Islands

      Adsense is plainly a numbers game and those making the big bucks are those with a lot of traffic and/or a lot of pages generating ads in high paying niches. By a lot I mean hundreds of thousands of ad impressions on a regular basis.

      I run an article directory among other things and have thousands of pages running Adsense but my Adsense income is a long way from being the best online income generator for me. Basically, despite all that content, the traffic is not really enough to generate high Adsense revenue. This doesn't worry me as Adsense is not a main business model for me. I think that most people just can't grasp the numbers involved in generating a substantial income as an Adsense publisher.

      To make good money with Adsense you need to understand keywords and the high paying niches, without this knowledge you are handicapping yourself from the get go and most people just don't understand that unless their pages are optimized for high paying keywords they will often end up earning pennies per click as opposed to the potential $20 dollar clicks that are out there. You really do need to target the right niche markets and know how to drive traffic to your pages and to make sure that your ads are optimized for the highest click through rates possible.

      You need traffic and lots of it so you need to learn how to build and optimize and promote your sites, or again you will not make much money from Adsense.

      Additionally, if click through rates on your sites fall below certain levels you run the risk of becoming a victim of smart pricing and clicks on ads will generate barely a few cents. Do a search for Google Adsense smart pricing if you want to learn more about it.

      One useful Adsense report you might be interested in reading is the 5Dollar Minisite Formula. Even if the method is not for you, it will probably teach you a lot.

      http://www.5dollarformula.com/

      I think it is ridiculous however to state that nobody can make a full time income from Adsense because, quite patently, there are people who do. Most of them are unwilling to reveal how they achieve it of course and a lot of the information out there is outdated and the methods suggested no longer viable.

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      Info Help 8 years ago from Chicago

      A completely agree that making a living strickly off of Adsense would be damn near impossible unless you are running a 100 or so websites all bringing in $10-15 a day which is very possible. Of course the "guru's' trying to sell you something will not tell you that. However I comletely believe in SEO, I only started building web pages maybe 3 months ago, started with a blogger hub and a hubpages account, I was recently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and needed to find a way to make some money as I can not work right now. Of course my blogs where about me living with MS and MS in general. I quickly realized I was not going to make any money with these. I bought a domain name and got a webhost and build simpleAdsense.com. I also used blogger to create another site about basicaly the same subject as SimpleAdsense.com to use as a feeder site. Until about a week and a half ago I could never find my sites searching for any of my keywords on Google.

      In less than 2 weeks I jumped both sites into the top 10 in the serps for "make real money online with Adsense" by using SEO. As of ten minutes ago I am in the 1st and 2nd position for that keyword phrase (you and I seem to be fighting it out).

      SEO can really work wonders for any website and is one of the fastest ways to get listed on the front page of a search engine.

      James Bishop (wifes HubPage)

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      yojpotter 8 years ago from Iloilo City

      This is veru informative and interesting read ^^ I agree with you..there are other things that you can do online to earn money...all you just need to have is persistent and innovativeness.

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      cym 8 years ago from Europe

      Interesting hub and well written. Nice explanation of the food chain of internet marketing. I'm still stuck at using adsense. Your hub surely makes some things about internet marketing more clear. Thanks.

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      Arju 8 years ago

      Thanks for wonderful writing. I tried to list all adverising sites in

      http://arjudba.blogspot.com/2008/08/list-of-availa...

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      Internet-Profit 8 years ago from India

      What a great piece of writing.  The number of comments and the lively debate going on are in itself articles.  A lot of insightful reading.  I wish I could write like this.

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      UHC 8 years ago

      Had the most pleasure reading this tips. Congrats on it, and thanks for sharing.best of luck, cheers!

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      onlinemarketingsc 8 years ago from United Kingdom

      Your post touches a nerve in online marketing. I think there's been another post on hubpages that echoes the same disdain, something about how SEO is destroying the website reading experience because sentences were written to accommodate keywords, no matter how silly, and not readers, who actually stand to benefit from such content. As someone deep into online marketing I think there should be fine-lined expectations about the businesses' requirements of the writer, and the writers' expectations of themselves.

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      onlinemarketingsc 8 years ago from United Kingdom

      I'm sure you're aware of article marketing, it's one way to generate targeted traffic to a website. I found your hub informative and believable that I think it's worth it to inform more people about your point. And one way to spread that is through submitting articles to directories, and in many parts (as your post can be divided into parts) so that more people can get to know your point of view. I'm into online promotion so I appreciate your perspective.

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      RobertHassey 8 years ago from United Kingdom

      Good explanation of the Ad Sense large earnings failed promise, how the good affiliate is the most reasonable middle ground, and how it's got the best income-to-work ratio. I'm into online marketing myself, and your explanations make a lot of sense.

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      Ding.A.Ling123 8 years ago

      VERY Nice Hub! Please read my hubs!

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      ontheway 8 years ago

      If You Want To Make Real Money Online Forget Adsense

      it Was very well written, I support you, welcome to my hub

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      herbu 8 years ago

      you have given me a very good information!!

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      privateye2500 8 years ago from Canada, USA, London

      oh fooy - I spelled my link wrong because my keyboard keeps not putting in letters.! Sorry about that!

      http://unlisted-etcetera.com

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      privateye2500 8 years ago from Canada, USA, London

      Hello Greg :}

      I have never seen anyone write such  vivid *brain-photomap* type article on internet marketing and  *How it works*...

      Are you familiar with the group called the Internet Marketing Warriors; run by Allen Says ?  If not I WISH you would join the forum and post this article to it along with others you have written regarding same.  It would be a great help to serious newbies and I belive you would run into a great deal of joint ventures there as well - it is chalk-full of serious minded, intelligent minds woking together to make serious $$$.

      I have been a member for about 10 years; one used to have to pay to join but it has been free now for a long time.  I know it is the MOST widely read/written to forum online.  If you type it into google, warriors forum - just like that, it is #1 with over 12 thousand direct links and within those 12 thosnad links each one of those goes to thousands of more...(it outranks even the movie, it outranks anything.)

      Get there by SE or http://www.warriorforum.com/  and then go into the Main forum here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketin...

      You will not be disappointed, in fact, I think I am going to write a hub about them today!  No idea why I didn't think of this before.

      ================

       Forum devoted to Internet marketing, search engine placement and optimization, plus affiliate programs advice and support.warriorforum.com/forum/ - 34k - Cached - Similar pages -Discussion ForumLinks To Free e-BooksInternet Marketing ProductWarrior Special Offers ForumAdsenseThe Copywriting ForumPlug-In Profit Site Support ForumMind WarriorsMore results from warriorforum.com »

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      Check it out!  It also has the best web-hosting I have ever used in the 17 years online called Host4profit.  There is EVERY type of idea, concept, wayto do anything, 1000's of ways to make big money...you name it - it's in there.  I have spent over the years probably 6 months just READING in there.

      Also, once you begin posing in there, your posts ed up on google really fast.

      This post will really help everyone - I promise, you just simply can't fail if you pick somethng there and stick with it - it's literally impossible.  BTW - as you probably noticed, I get absolutely Nothing out of telling you about this.  I am Quite certain there are  lot of Warriors here at the HUB.

      Melanie

      http://ulisted-etcetera.com

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      HILLceo 8 years ago from RTP - NC

      Google's "PPC" Adwords started 8-9 years ago. It first surfaced in 2000 and took off in 2001. It isn't new. I remember since "organic" SEO specialists like myself were highly offended at the monetization of keyword-based search result placements on search engine results. It ruined the concept of search results purely based on content relevancy. Such is life, eh? Google needed money.

      I don't mind people using Adsense as a form of income and in fact, I encourage it. However, I am 100% against building web sites for the sake of running Google ads (or other PPC ads). If the site does not have unique, useful content, then it is a useless site that is obviously there for click purposes. People are getting wise to these Adsense-generated pages and simply navigate away without clicking on anything.

      The Adsense Ads that perform well are on web sites that are worth visiting because of their own fresh, unique content - with or without Adsense ads.

      HUBpages is a great example of that. People don't come here to read Adsense ads, but if they are researching favorite topics or looking for advice, the Adsense ads are right there displaying enticing offers along the same lines of the topic.

      Have fun and stick with it ;-)

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      powerspike 8 years ago from Sydney, Australia

      Good work on the hub, not only have you explained it well, you have given good examples

      *thumbs up*

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      narindia16 8 years ago

      My Opinion........Adsense is Best

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      SEO Resources 8 years ago

      Impressive video... Ive been using adsense but may switch now

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      Buddy Dixon 8 years ago

      I have a partner in a business. We own 104 domain names together and I am currently building and optimizing sites, looking for affiliates, trying to get set up with Google & YAHOO! for ppc's on our sites, trying to find new ways to market our sites that are up...anyway, you get the idea. On top of all of that I have to explain everything step by step to my partner, and most of it I have to explain numerous times. Not any more!!! Now I just send him to your page(s), he reads it and understands more through you than me trying to explain it all. Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!!!!

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      blondepoet 8 years ago from australia

      wow this story was amazing.So is it true with adsense you need around 100 clicks to make any money.Does that mean if I dont reach that target with any of my affiliates including Adsense I wont get any money.I am still so unsure how this works and how many hubs you need to write in order to get anything at all

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      Benson Yeung 8 years ago from Hong Kong

      thanks for sharing and in such a clear way too.

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      Shankar Pandiath 8 years ago from India

      Good post, perhaps too good - but there are guys here, who still swear by adsense and surprisingly what they say is right. They earn more here because, it is here where the content and traffic is - and adsense loves fresh content and once you have a set of loyal readers and fans, the traffic is assured as well. So didn't give up on it yet...

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      Money79 8 years ago from nijmegen/gelderland/netherlands

      wow!! great explanation. thanks

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      livelovecoffee 8 years ago from Georgia

      Great Hub! I certainly have had no luck with adsense either.

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      Francis Tan 8 years ago

      Excellent info. Gets me excited about Internet Marketing. Good job!

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      abeerer 8 years ago from Earth

      Very informative and eye opener. Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

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      karian 8 years ago

      Thanks for the good article! I am a stay at home mom who is just starting out in this internet money making world...there seems to be a lot of potential and good money out there - I just got to learn about it and figure it out so I can continue being a stay at home mom...I am anxious to read some more of your hubs!

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      t08c15 8 years ago

      Thanks for the info.

      There's a lot here. I will go back later to digest it further.

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      t08c15 8 years ago

      Thanks for the info.

      There's a lot here. I will go back later to digest it further.

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      johnny yuma1 8 years ago

      Hi Greg,

      I thoroughly enjoyed reading this hub. I didn't get to read all the comments, but at 5:15 a.m. it is time to get a little sleep. I notiiced the comment saying you would send someone the address of a web site that you are building. Would you send it to me as well?

      wellbrewed1@alltel.net is the address.

      My real name is Damon Brewer.

      Johnny Yuma1

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      needful things 8 years ago from Poland

      Yaiks!!! And I justed started with adsense... Makes a lot of sense though... Thumbs up!!!

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      FunFacter 8 years ago from Canada

      For sure Great Guide, Was mad on earning money online but after experincing a few scams had to get very alert.

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      Silver_Lotus 8 years ago from U.S.A.

      I have really enjoyed reading this hub and all of the comments. The bottom line, of course, is that different approaches will work for different people, and even for different web sites owned by the same person.

      My concerns with adsense are that those ads take visitors away from my site and the content I've worked to create. If Adsense ads could open in a new window, I'd feel a lot better about using them.

      My second concern is that there's a limit to how much you can control the content of Adsense ads and that geographical targeting means you don't always know what someone in a different location is seeing when adsense ads appear on your site in their location.

      Bottom line for me is that some of my web sites contain google ads and some don't.

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      Edward 8 years ago

      Firstlly thank you for you work this

      site save me month of work..in looking

      for information..

      I personally don't trust google and the

      other...

      I live in israel and for us we can not use

      any service ppc that we can not get pay here

      and i thing that is a beg problem for most

      the user that dont live in the usa or uk

      that went to make money..

      May you have some advice for us...

      and google also make problem

      with the tax problem that they only

      talk about the usa...?

      thank you again,,

      edward

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      photosoren 8 years ago

      Thanks Greg, for your clever original input about the limitations of Adsense and being the 'underdog' of advertising and online earning. And thank you for all intelligent comments and your responses, too, Greg.

      I would like to know more about how to succeed with the CPA network. Are there some types of goods and services they are better/worse to?

      How much traffic do we need to come up with for being acceptable? My main stock photo site http://www.azfotos.com has around 4000 visitors pr day, but the whole stock photo busines is very tuff these years. Accordingly additional income would be much appreciated.

      Any suggestions?

      Cheers

      Soren Breiting

      Denmark

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      PLR Video Direct 8 years ago from Warrensburg Missouri - Kansas City Area

      I believe that those 'For' as well as those 'against' Adsense have valid points. For me it is just another income stream.

      I have some websites that the only thing I want visitors clicking is my order button. If there were adsense ads on that page there exists the chance of them clicking on the ad and never returning to my page to make that purchase.

      Then there are those blog that as Mulatto pointed out, that if managed properly can produce a decent income. Set them up to have the content automatically fed via rss and a little tweek every now and then, and there is another income stream.

      Greg, thank you for the info and this is a great Hub.

      Sincerely,

      Steve Dougherty

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      mulatto 8 years ago from Indiana

      Seems everyone is so down on adsense, however I think everyone is forgetting that adsense is completely a numbers game. I mean if you have one blog that you are trying to make the guru numbers with, then you are just plain unrealistic. But if you manage say 10 blogs with several duplicates and put a little time into all of them with continued content. Then you can possibly create a good income. And there are a few tips for placement and coloring that help revenues as well. Seems everyone is looking for one way to make 10,000,000 off of one site. if you are a full time webmaster it is nothing to manage 10-20 blogs.

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      Ben Glovere 8 years ago from Michigan

      This is Great you help me out and the knowlede you gave me from your hub you said it and you really know I just started on my hub 3 weeks ago and I don't see any future with adsense either. Great Hub

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      Laura Marie 8 years ago from UK

      This is an excellent hub. I have been with adsense for a while but still haven't made payout. I am developing my blogs using good keywords, and am hoping I dotn get banned before I get paid

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      Don Reed 9 years ago

      Great HubB!! I never had any luck with adsense., I could never reach the paypout threshhold. Then I don't exactly know why, but I got the Google slap and my adsense account was dis-abled. I never got an explanation or a reason. I don't know if it was something I did or if I was linked to a site that did something wrong. So for me adsense is now not an option in any case. I have retreated back to an actual (not MLM) business and hope to see some profit. That is more than I can say I got out of adsense. Keep up the good work. You are a good writer. Don

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      Misha 9 years ago from DC Area

      LOL Greg, I guess you were right and I was wrong. My Adsense is in a miserable state with this financial crisis. The year end is coming, and 6 figures are nowhere in sight, in fact I am back to the low 5 figures yearly on Adsense, at least twice as low comparing to the times we were having this lovely discussion here. :)

      So, I am testing different affiliate models to basically replace Adsense altogether - right what you recommended form the start. I guess I would have been much better off by now if I had started more energetic testing back then...

      Eovery, go to cj.com, you'll find a plenty of CPA offers there. Ebay and Amazon are CPA, too - like a plenty of others...

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      eovery 9 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

      Thanks for this information. I am glad to see new info like this. I am a newbie, and I am trying hard to get things going. Yeah I spent about 10x on adwords, than adsense has brought in. Typical probably for a newbie.

      I'm still trying to figure out where to get CPA items. I am hearing this is going to be the next greatest thing since sliced white bread. But I am having trouble find sources. If anyone has some, please email me. I would appreciate it.

      https://hubpages.com/style/Clothing-for-Winter

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      Christoph Reilly 9 years ago from St. Louis

      Very informative hub. Thanks for the great info! I'm always looking for ways to increase my internet earnings and this has helped immensly.

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      FrankRod 9 years ago

      I've made money on many methods, Adsense being one of them. You definitely need a ton of visitors to make decent money with Adsense, though.

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      Mike at Seo Web Design Services 9 years ago

      I always have said adsense is ok to have as an extra income, but you need thousands of visitors every single day just to make a few hundred a month.

      Great hub and great info, stick with affiliate programs, pre-sell in your content and keep building great quality content. Keep adsense as a small side line earner.

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      Goran1971 9 years ago from Croatia

      Hello!!! First of all congratulation for the great hub and I completely agree with you! I work also with AdSense program and you need to have 1000-2000 visitors daily who will click on your ads for make good money. I continued work with adsense but I put all my knowledge in other business, sex industry!

      Continue like this, I will love to read more of your content!

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      adelacuesta 9 years ago

      Great hub! Both for information and motivation.

      Thank you!

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      sunforged 9 years ago from Sunforged.com

      Very well done, you could add that those who acquire and develop writing and research skills of this quality have further ops as freelance copywriters and journalists

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      razvan_razvan 9 years ago from romania

      CONGRATULATIONS!!!  U have made a FINE article there :) , it was a pleasure reading this very very useful information. I can see u are very experienced and that u have tried and failed many times in order to get to your actual success. BRAVO!  That's exactly what I'm talking about, the epiphanny of what I'm talking about :). I also think that Internet marketing is a great way to earn money and it actually changes your entire life, your lifestyle. It's hard in the beginning I found that myself :D but as u struggle more and more to learn the skills and have great success and become a better person that offers value to the world u see that your  income is incresing and suddendly u can't stop it from growing LOL . I think your article may have changed the entire course of my life. I mean I was interested in internet marketing before but I was also into adsense (especially cause a friend of mine was successful with it, or so he told me :D ) but now I don't think I'm gonna waste any more of my precious time to put interesting content on my site. It's very time consuming and I was very frustrated cause till now I didn't earn a lot with it, only a few bux per day :(. Anyway I'm very excited to see your other hubs cause your knowledge is very useful and promising for the wannabe hunters :)). I kind of know the tricks of an internet marketer and how he drives his trafic and I see that u are very very good at it :D I like especially that u made things much simpler by making those funny analogies :))Cheers to u and to us!

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      Investment And Money Matters 9 years ago

      Great. You done well and try to teach us well the food chain of internet marketing. Really intesresting and valuable information. Thank you.

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      Free Paid Surveys 9 years ago

      Great hub. I learned a lot from this article. Thanks for sharing.

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      Wayne Tully 9 years ago from Hull City United Kingdom

      Making money online is best from any source you can muster, adsense is only one income stream that can be refined and checked probably once a week to test click through rates and so on, I prefer to set one line of income up and move on to the next income stream, that way if one stream of income dips slightly you'll have the others to fall back on down the road.

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      myevilenemy 9 years ago from Hollywood

      This is such a great article. I have worked online for three years now and it has been an uphill battle the entire time, along with the biggest learning experience of my life. Just when I think I have something figured out and a great plan, the rules change and I am back at square one. I have tried adsense and had very little success although I do know people who have had great success with adsense but it is just not for me. I personally enjoy affiliate marketing which has allowed me a good income but it can be very frustrating too if you are not on the ball constantly updating your ads on all of your sites. I am looking at better ways to promote my affiliate ads and campaigns. This is a great reference and I again feel like I have learned a ton from another great mind and the best part is that it was free which is usually the case. Thanks for all the great input and I admire the fact that you left the comments on here that did not agree with your article but they provided valuable information as well.

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      billnad 9 years ago

      I have found over the years that as I rely less on Adsense my checks stay the same but i have really concentrated more on affiliate marketing and that is where my real income increases have come

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      Riya 9 years ago

      being a adsense publisher it is very demoralising to receive few clicks after very hard work.I will heed your advice

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      Primenet 9 years ago

      Great hub friend. Keep it up

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      Chris Baker 9 years ago

      good info!

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      amoxicillin 500 9 years ago

      Great Hub... I'm a PPC marketeer and just made a 'small adsense trial' and the conclusion: it stinks!

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      aftab-tekdad 9 years ago

      Hi It was very informative to go through this blog. Professionally I am a technical corporate trainer with a very hectic schedules. Thought to help others and share my IT knowlede with people to make their live easier in understanding technology and earn a bit of income from adsense. But your article is really an eye opener and the points are worth pondering upon and it gave a direction to my web presense. Thanx.

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      John foster 9 years ago from South Africa

      Great Hub Greg. Well written and very informative.

      A word of caution to everyone running in to ppc - research and research more before you jump in, else you will just be paying google a whole lot of money for nothing. Find a profitable niche, a good landing site and spend a lot of time optimizing your ad to make sure that your ad is not just clicked with no conversions.

      For those choosing the adwords route, there is a free content generator that takes all the work out of building your sites. It is called Hypervre. Try the free version first and make sure you are happy with it. There is no obligation to purchase. Free link to hypervre can be found at http://www.squidoo.com/hypervrescam . I must say that I agree with Greg - adsense stinks. Affiliate marketing is far better. I try to do it without PPC though and rather use organic traffic.

      THanks for the tons of information Greg.

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      Juliet Christie Murray 9 years ago from Sandy Bay Jamaica

      Well this is a mouth ful. a very informative hub. I suppose I am at the minnow stage. Still learning what works and what don't This hub will prevent me making the full trip. I can stop and start focusing on the right thing.

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      Whitney 9 years ago from Georgia

      I think that you are probably pretty accurate in your descriptions of Adsense, but for people using Adsense and other affiates as just supplemental income, it can be a nice check to have when you may not work to hard to get it. I don't do much in terms of marketing, but at the end of the month, I usually get a nice check from Google for my work. I like it, and it's great since I have a regular source of income. I think as a sole income source, it would take much more work than most want to put forth, which is why many give up.

      I believe that you can make really good money with Adsense and other affiliates but you do need to put in the work for it. Sometimes, and really in most cases, that means very long hours and little sleep, at least until you are able to get your site with plenty of backlinks and whatnot.

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      Dorsi Diaz 9 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

      This has been one of the best articles I have read on really breaking down the process of online marketing with ads (I love the fish/whale analogy- very visual!)

      I am starting to make decent money on Hubpages with Adsense ( decent for me is a few dollars a day at this point) So I guess I am fortunate unlike Sally who has to also do a lot of other web work to only make pennies a day.....)

      Now after being in business for over 14 years, I have to say I am in no way interested in being a whale ( too much weight to carry around, you know?) so I am specifically looking into caplitalizing on first- My writing skills. and second my intuition when it comes to advertising ( I was in the sign business so I learned a lot about marketing)

      I think this hub gives us all a lot to think about, where do we want to go and what exactly do we want to learn, which is a great thing....

      Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed and understandable hub on this process.

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      Henry Luciano 9 years ago

      Thanks Greg!

      Simply the most accurate and definitely one of the best article out there that explains the food chain of internet marketing. However, I believe that as long as you have passion for what you are doing, you can still generate enough income even with adsense.

      This doesn't mean that you do not have to apply for multiple streams of online income. Anyway, there are plenty of good methods to earn revenue from adsense, and even if it's not big money, you can still have an optional online income. Most won't mind that, I guess..

      Being a HUNTER is a way of life, and it can provide an enormous success when dealing with affiliate marketing. It's all about having a proper attitude!

      Thanks for the hub page, for the article and for all the amazing comments provided by YOU people. It took like 2 hours or even more to read all the feedback but it was necessary.

      This post is a must for everyone out there who think about starting a business online.

      Cheers and God Bless You All!

      Henry

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      yourpark 9 years ago from New York

      If I don't use adsense, I can't make more money. Because I can't make any money from others. Can you give me some advice, my blog url is: http://fantastic-search.blogspot.com/.

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      sceptic 9 years ago from Christchurch, New Zealand

      Hi Greg, can I ask you something in the forums people really don't seem to believe that you can make money big money online. I am nowhere a millionaire and I certainly not rich, but I do earn good money on here. I am really new on HP but some people here seem to think that it's a good idea to ONLY use HP as an income stream do you agree with this?

      I don't only have one income stream if I did I wouldn't maximize the profit. One thing that I do agree with though is that I don't think that people understand how much work it takes to establish themselves. I think a lot of people have a romantic idea on how easy it's gonna be.

      I don't agree with charging people for helping them out, that would almost be to pray on desperation.

      I really love you HUB very informative! Oh yes one more question...does social bookmarking work for you? And why does people that are really successful online go around bragging about how much money they make. How come they don't understand to be a silent achiever and helping people that need it out?

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      mcarolyn 9 years ago from Philippines

      Very well explained! I hope I could get thousands of even just a hundreds of visitors a day :D

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      Oracle Forum 9 years ago

      I am sorry Greg but I don't agree with some of your points. Even though you have rightly identified the players in the online marketing food chain, there are many instances of overlapping. Also the so called "minnows" once they establish a user-base they can always directly get sponsored ads fro your "whales" eliminating the affiliate.

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      dejagib 9 years ago

      Great Hub. I never looked at online marketing from this perspective. Being a hunter/affiliate is much better than being a whale. The hunter /affiliate bears much less risks and can leave a deal at any time without any losses.