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Christmas Reconsidered: How the Holiday has Contributed to a Rise in Atheism

Updated on December 26, 2019
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Leland is a student of history, religion, politics, and current events. He wishes to respectfully engage readers on those focus points.

Does Christmas Really Honor Jesus Christ?

The question is almost rhetorical. I believe the answer to be an emphatic, no. Christmas does not honor Jesus Christ. I find that most of the time people believe the issue to be subjective. I do not. I believe there are black and white, yes and no, true and false, answers to the questions of origin and meaning that surround the holiday. I believe there are facts that demonstrate the holiday itself to be in direct opposition to God's word and that this opposition comes in the most dangerous form, one that presents itself in the name of God, one that has forged a pseudo-historical narrative surrounding the birth of the Messiah. In so doing what is arguably the most important event in human history, the birth of Jesus is mingled with legends, lore, and pagan tradition. As a result, the birth and life of Jesus Christ have itself become unjustly mythologized, a claim I will work to substantiate throughout this article.

Associating Myths with Historical Facts Harms the History, not the Myth

Interestingly, and ironically, this picture portrays Santa as real while the images of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph are lifeless statues.
Interestingly, and ironically, this picture portrays Santa as real while the images of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph are lifeless statues.

The Way, the Truth, the Life...

Rare is the individual of 2019 who hasn't heard about the pagan origins of Christmas. I don't want to take the time to make a case that has already been amply made by others. Besides, if you have the time I invite you to watch the videos I've included as they provide in-depth details regarding the origins of the day.

My focus in this article deals with what I believe an increasing disinterest and mistrust of the Bible, and of God. I believe it is the historic and modern churches, more than any other, that are responsible for this situation. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life..." John 14:6

Truth is an essential part of believing. I don't want to believe something that isn't true. I think most people think that way. Yet, "the truth" about the birth of Jesus occurring on December 25th is not true. Isn't it important for those that believe in him to safeguard the details of his life? Must lies be told about him beginning with his birth? If someone wished me a "happy birthday" on a day other than my birth I would correct them, wouldn't you? Isn't the birth of the Messiah of more importance than that? If we can't believe the account of the Messiah's birth as related in the gospel narratives, at what point and which details should we start believing? Did his baptism really happen? What about the miracles?

  • healing the blind
  • feeding the 5,000
  • walking on water
  • calming the sea with a word
  • healing the severed ear of Malchus

I ask this question to the believer- Aren't these events important to you? If they are not why claim belief at all? For me, it is extremely important that these events be real. If they aren't I'm wasting my time. I think most students of the Bible agree. We believe the accounts of the miracles. We believe in the synchronicity of the gospel narratives and that the integrity of the Scriptures is maintained, one of the only exceptions being the practice of Christmas. I believe acceptance of this lie to be one reason for the assent of atheism at most, at least it contributes to people not taking the Scriptures seriously. If you don't believe me, consider the film Zeitgeist. This film by a young man named Peter Joseph has gained wide-spread acclaim in the 17-30 demographic. The film would be considered by some (like me) to be of a militant nature with a fair amount of conspiracy theories ranging from clandestine government intrigues to 9/11 conspiracies. However, the most disturbing portion of the film deals with the idea that Jesus Christ was never born, never existed, but is, in fact, a hybrid of religious figures throughout history. The film is rife with cartoonish imagery and mockery. The animations are crude, but effective.

Excerpt from Wiki Synopsis of the Film "Zeitgeist"

Part I claims that the Christian religion is mainly derived from other religions, astronomical assertions, astrological myths, and other traditions. In furtherance of the Jesus myth hypothesis, this part disputes the historicity of Jesus, who, it claims, is a literary and astrological hybrid, nurtured by political forces and opportunists.

I would draw the readers attention to the portion of the above quote which claims that Jesus is an "astrological hybrid." Now that term stems directly from the December 25th date selected for the birthday of Jesus. That day was celebrated by Mithra worshipers and was absorbed into the early Christian movement for a number of reasons:

  • Emporer Constantine the Great (ruled the Roman empire from 324 A.D. to 337 A.D.) was himself a worshiper of Mithra, the Persian Sun God. As such he saw the incorporation of Christmas into Church practices as a way to placate and absorb pagan citizens of the Roman empire.
  • Gentile Christians of the 2nd and 3rd centuries had driven the Jewish element out of the religion because Jewish people still believed in keeping the Sabbath, Passover, etc. Early Christians of the first century did as well, but slowly that began to change and the movement began to assimilate elements of the old pagan religions.
  • By the 8th century the celebration of Christmas had spread throughout the Roman empire and picked up many other pagan practices along the way from Egyptians, Celts, as well as Germanic religious practices which involved "grove/tree worship."

James Frazer, in his book The Golden Bough, wrote, "Sacred groves were common among the ancient Germans, and tree-worship is hardly extinct amongst their descendants at the present day." (p. 58)

All of these extra-biblical reasons for incorporating the celebration of Christmas into Christianity are not lost on the atheist. In fact, it is these very facts to which the atheist pays most attention and uses them effectively to discredit God, His word, and His Son. It is the association of pagan practices with Jesus Christ that enables the atheist to come to the conclusion that all religions are the same, that there is nothing special about Jesus Christ. An already rebellious attitude furnished with facts about Christmas make them a formidable opponent of the faith. If believers would simply base their beliefs on what is written in the Bible, 90% of the atheists armory would be destroyed. It is the inconsistencies they prey upon and exploit, and the Church has given them the grounds and ability to do it.

I have further concerns for children at this time of year. I know many kids who have just "figured out" that Santa couldn't be real and they ease into that understanding with no apparent negative effects; but there are others who, upon hearing from an older sibling for example, find out with many tears that St. Nick doesn't exist. It seems to me that when a child has been deceived into thinking there's someone at the North Pole who watches over you, knows if you're bad or good, will bring you good gifts for doing what is right, that once they find out these things are not true, it would be difficult for them to believe in a heavenly Being who shares the same attributes. This is a theory of mine, I have no hard proof that a child is less inclined to believe in God once they've been misled ( all in good fun, I know) about Santa. But to a child, Santa is a real person who truly cares for them. If the child cries when they find out Santa isn't real parents may chide them, "Oh grow up." For the child it is the loss of a friend. Should we really take the chance of telling a child about a mythical figure we know isn't real, and then sharing the truth of the love of God, again who shares similar ubiquitous attributes with Santa? Isn't it at least possible that the child would be confused? Feel as if he's/she's been played for a chump? I don't take those chances, mainly because Jesus said,

"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18:6 NIV

We all have the freedom to accept, reject, or interpret that verse however we will. I think my understanding/interpretation speaks for itself.

Pre-Christian Origin of the Christmas Tree

"Thus says the Lord, "Do not learn the ways of the nations and do not be terrified by the signs of heaven as the nations are terrified by them; for the customs of the people are a delusion; because it is wood cut from the forest, the work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool. They decorate it with silver and gold, they fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not totter." Jeremiah 10:2-4

When people of faith are confronted with those verses they have one of two reactions.

  1. They dismiss them as not relevant or as not counting anymore because it is in the so called "Old Testament," or...
  2. They say, "Wow- I didn't know that was in there! Maybe there is a connection between Christmas and paganism and maybe I shouldn't be observing it."

What I find interesting is that whether or not people think the verses are applicable to today's faithful, both groups recognize the similarity between this decorated tree from antiquity before Christ, and the Christmas tree.

You will see from the included videos that Christmas was previously celebrated as "Bacchanalia" by the Romans well before Jesus was born. The point I am trying to make in relation to the verses quoted from Jeremiah 10 is that I know there are some who would say,

"But those verses aren't talking about Christmas; they are talking about ancient pagan practices. I celebrate Christmas to honor the birth of Jesus Christ."

I've heard that response many times and this is the problem with it. In part, it's correct. The text in Jeremiah isn't directly talking about Christmas, it couldn't have because Jeremiah lived some 700 years before Jesus was born, so how could it be talking about Christmas? It was talking about Christmas in the sense that the characteristics of Christmas are consistent with the delusional "ways" of the nations. Of course Jeremiah didn't come right out and name the name of the pagan festival. He described "the ways" of the custom. God wisely excluded the exact name of the festival being celebrated so that we would focus, not on a name which can be easily changed, but to the manner and custom in which it was celebrated.

Just from reading the text quoted from Jeremiah, could any reasonable person doubt that if a pagan from 700 B.C. were transported in Dr. Who's time machine into a 21st century home that had erected a Christmas tree that the pagan would sense sameness? Would the pagan look at the tree and say, "Hmm...what an odd custom...I've never seen such a thing." Of course he would sense sameness, familiarity, unity. He might call the festival by a different name, but he would recognize the custom as, if not directly connected to his own, at the least relatable.

Christmas History in Under 3 Minutes

Did You Know?

The German name for Santa Clause, Kris Kringle (Krist Kindle), translates exactly to "Christ Child?" This acculturation contributes to the idea that "it's all the same" whether we're talking about Santa or Jesus, it all looks like fairy tales. That's the effect of assimilating/mixing pagan practices with holy ones. Jesus Christ seems no different to the world than the Easter bunny or Santa.

Summary

Atheists routinely thrash Christianity because of the inconsistencies they see within the faith, and it is Christianity that has provided the whip. If those who claim to follow the one who described himself as "the way, the truth, and the life," lived by the truth and insisted on maintaining the truths surrounding the birth of the Messiah, non-believers would be more inclined to consider the later events of the life of Christ as being true as well.

To finish on a personal note: When I was in my early 20's I began to learn about the origins of Christmas and it was devastating to me. I had grown up believing what I heard one minister in particular say: "Christmas is the gold that binds the Bible." When I learned that Christmas isn't even mentioned in the Bible, I began to question the validity of, not the misinformed minister, but of the Bible itself. That discovery opened the door to a long list of theological problems created by the Church's allowance of pagan customs to enter the faith. I teetered on the brink of atheism myself not knowing if I could trust the Bible, hence God, anymore. Only when I left the Church system and began praying to God myself, and reading His Word did I come to saving faith. Ironically, Christianity had robbed me of the faith God had been trying to impart to me all along, and by failing to be a good student of the Word, I had let it happen. My encouragement to you is to NOT take the word of any minister or pastor or so-called expert when it comes to knowing God and His Word. Faith is the ultimate DIY project. Remember, professionals built the Titanic, an amateur built the ark.

Blessings friends.

Recommended Reading

  • The Age of Faith- by Will Durant: Simon and Schuster
  • History of Christianity- by Kenneth Scott Latourette: Harper
  • The Two Babylons- by Reverend Alexander Hislop: Loizeaux Brothers

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    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      T- i'd like to continue this conversation, but there has to be give and take. I've responded to your points and explained the difference in our understanding of scripture. Are you going to answer my questions or not? I quoted 2 specific verses and asked you to explain them for me and you have not done this. You just continue to hurl verbal bombs at my position which is NOT having a dialogue. If want a dialogue as I do then please answer my questions regarding 1 John 3:9 and Romans 6:1-2.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      17 months ago from now on

      To accept your positions is to accept that

      1: Cherry picking scripture to fit your belief ignoring scripture contrary to your belief and you demonstrated this originally when you began your comment with

      "First off- I don't believe that saved people are still sinners"

      The point is what you believe is irrelevant, what scripture says is all we have and whether you choose to believe anything is irrelevant to the discussion, it implies that scripture is ambiguous and it is not when considered within the context of all scripture.

      2: If someone is voicing a false teaching like once you are saved you cannot sin and so are no longer a sinner it is wrong to label it as such and to rebuke it. This is contrary to scripture and has nothing to do with "the man of God must not strive"

      3: if one has accepted Christ as his Savior and is perfected, cannot sin, and therefore if he finds himself later sinning then he was never saved for your position is once saved you can never sin.

      4: It's ok to redefine sin to make it fit your belief! Jesus and the apostles taught that actions that led to sins were to be stopped, not tolerated under an umbrella of unconditional grace. If Christians are no longer sinner's then why would Jesus and the apostles have taught that Christians should choose to stop sinning? And Paul clearly expressed that he himself struggled to not sin, or do you think that wasn't clear?

      So Leland, the when one of your baptised and saved by grace Christian friends confides in you that they are having a hard time being delivered from a certain type of sin how are you going to explain to them that they actually have never been saved or they wouldn't be sinning? I'd like to see you walk them through that belief.

    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      T- Thank you for responding and giving me the opportunity to respond. Isaid we shouldn't argue because of what Paul told Timothy- "The man of God must not strive.." Strive means argue in that text and it is counter productive to argue. To question and challenge is one thing, but you were getting aggressively argumentative by telling me I shouldn't be talking or trying to influence others. That's not questioning, that's trying to silence me. You're right, we can agree to disagree, but I would not try to silence you as you did me. Having said that let me say that, at least in part, I can agree with some things you say. You said our disagreement is partly semantics, and that's true to a point, however there are some things you are saying that I see as erroneous. For example, you say that "any thought word or action contrary to the law of God is sinning." Not true. To be tempted by something is to have that thought enter your mind. It's what you do with that thought that makes it sin. Temptation is not sin. If it is you have to admit that Jesus sinned because the bible tells us that he was tempted.

      You also said "salvation doesn't eradicate the sin nature of a human being." I disagree. If not what then does it mean to be a "new creation?" Why does our body of sin (ie the sin nature) need to be cr crucified with Christ, and why on earth would we want to retain the stinking carcass of our former way of life? "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20 We are not to live the way we did. You said that the Christian's attitude is what changes toward sin. I say action follows attitude. Can you agree with that? If your political views used to be democrat, but your attitude changed and you began to think like a republican/conservative etc, would you still vote for a democrat? Can you see what I'm saying? If your attitude towards sin changes why would your actions regarding the same NOT change?

      Paul also said in Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" Continue sinning? Certainly not is Paul's reply. Your argument is not with me, it's with Paul. It's with John when he wrote "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:9. Now I insist that you respond to those points. You are the one who is saying a Christian is a sinner, so in light of these verses please explain how you are correct and Paul and John are mistaken. One last thing- Please be cautious when you say something is "clear." How many times I've thought and said that only to be proven wrong and have my pride subdued. All for the best I think. Whenever we say something is "perfectly clear" during a debate it is simply a euphemism for saying the other person too stupid to see the obvious. Looking forward to your thoughts, but again, please explain how the verses I quoted, 1 John 3:9, Romans 6:1-2 mean something other than what they seem to be saying. Thanks.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      17 months ago from now on

      I didn't copy it and don't know that I can reiterate all that I said but basically I think we are disputing samantics. I provided many scriptural examples that clearly demonstrate that just because a christian is born again that does not mean he isn't still tempted by sin and can commit sin in the flesh. What changes is the Christian's attitude toward sin and his/her ability to receive forgiveness if and when he sins.

      It is clear from 1 John 1:8–9 that even those who have been born again and redeemed by the blood of Jesus will still sin.

      Do you really think that you yourself never sinned after you accepted Christ?

      If you do then you are lying to yourself - a sin! If a Christian sins is he not still a sinner?

      Just because being born of God sets you free from the penalty of sin And gives you power over sin because Christ paid your price doesn't mean your sin nature of the flesh is transformed into some sort of saintly angel that can no longer sin. That is a false teaching and not supported by scripture. When scripture appears contradictory you can't just choose what you want to believe and ignore the rest, in context of the whole Bible the right answer is clear.

      If and when you find yourself thinking any thought, word, or action that is contrary to the character or law of God you are sinning and that makes you a dinner, saved by grace, yes, but a sinner still.

      Look at it this way, if once you are saved you lose the ability to sin why do you have to mature in Christ? Maturing in Christ is a result of a sinner's walk with God which wouldn't even be necessary if a Christian by virtue of the simple fact he is saved can no longer sin. The difference is a Christian who sins can repent and be forgiven, but he is still a sinner, salvation doesn't eradicate the sin nature of a human being.

      My reference to theologians was only a generalization mainly to the point of people who spend their lives studying the Bible, a vast group of dedicated Christians in search of the truth which shouldn't be characterized by rare exceptions to that rule.

      We can agree to disagree but to prompt me not to argue your wanting to cling to a false belief doesn't strengthen your case.

    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      T- Could you please resubmit your last comment so I can respond.

    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      T- I'm not saying a born again person is instantly mature, but they are a new creation with the power to not sin. Sin was dealt with on the cross. Please consider the wording of the scriptures you quoted. Romans 3:23 doesn't say "we all sin" but rather "we have all sinned." There is a difference. Also you quoted 1 John but not in context. "We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin." 1 John 5:18. also "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 john 3:9

      You mention "theologians" as though they have some kind of authority. I don't believe that. In fact, there has never been a heretic that wasn't a theologian. They, and church teaching, have taught a defeatist faith that leaves Christians still sinning and powerless to stop it. That is not the faith of the bible. It's not the life Jesus Christ imparts to us. You need to read Romans carefully. It's crucial that chapters 6-8 be read together or it cannot be properly understood. Romans 6:11 says we are to be "dead to sin and alive to God." That sets the tone. Romans 7 is not talking about a born again person. Rather, Paul is talking in a 3rd person narrative about a man being convicted of sin and beginning to turn to God. Surely you don't think Paul was saying of himself "I am unspiritual sold as a slave into sin" do you? In the previous chapter he was just saying he was set free from sin. The texts make no sense unless it is seen as progressing from chapter 7 as an unsaved man into chapter 8 as a man who has become born again and is "putting to death the deeds of the flesh" because he is living "by the spirit." You have to read chapters 6,7, and 8 as a unit otherwise there will be misunderstanding. Shame on the church and theologians for focusing on chapter 7 and isolating it from the greater context. The result is people living in a spiritually confused limbo. T- lets not argue.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      17 months ago from now on

      Leland, you do under as random that when you say "First off- I don't believe that saved people are still sinners."

      you are making the claim that once a person accepts Jesus that person no longer sins. You don't have to be a theologian to know that is not a true statement and just because you believe "if they are (still sinners) what's the point in being saved, to be able to sin and get away with it?" doesn't mean that is a logical statement.

      Christians, who have accepted Christ as their Savior and are born again are washed clean from all their sins, past, present and future in the eyes of God but they are not transformed into some kind of mortal saintly angel. We are forgiven but we are still sinners as long as we live as mortals here on Earth and I would like you to show me one person who has stopped sinning after accepting Jesus. Are You telling me once a Christisn you have no need to ever repent from any sinful behavior again? I don't know anyone, let alone a theologian who would ascribe to that opinion. To believe that Christians can no longer sin because their sins have been forgiven is not scriptural and contradicts the testimonies of every apostle.

      “Sin” is any thought, word, or action that is contrary to the character or law of God. We all sin (Romans 3:23), and even what we consider good deeds are often tainted by selfish motives or pride (Isaiah 64:6). Left to ourselves, it is impossible to please God or to be completely free from sin (Romans 3:10; Ecclesiastes 7:10).

      When we come to Christ by faith and trust Him to forgive and cleanse us of all our sin, we are in that moment born again (John 3:3). That new birth of the spirit results in a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). God gives the repentant sinner a new heart that is now turned toward obeying and pleasing Him rather than self (2 Corinthians 5:9; Romans 8:5–6). Whereas we were formerly slaves to sin, we are now “slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:16). Sin’s control has been broken by the power of Jesus (Romans 6:6; Titus 2:14).

      However, we still live in the flesh, and the flesh is prone to want what it wants. In Romans 7:21–23, Paul admits the battle between flesh and spirit in his own life: “So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.” Each battle with temptation is won or lost based upon how fully we are surrendered to the control of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16–17).

      The book of 1 John was written to Christians. The apostle says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8–9). It is clear from this passage that even those who have been born again and redeemed by the blood of Jesus will still sin. Through thought, attitude, or action, we will “grieve” (Ephesians 4:30) and “quench” (1 Thessalonians 5:19) the Holy Spirit at times. But this passage also reassures us that God offers continual, ongoing grace whenever we agree with Him about our sin and ask for His cleansing.

    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      T- nice to hear from you and thanks for stopping by. A couple of points in response to your comments. This really is a big issue, and a sensitive one at that so I'll try to be as concise, reasonable, and gentle as I can.

      First off- I don't believe that saved people are still sinners. If they are what's the point in being saved, to be able to sin and get away with it? No, the bible says that Jesus came to save his people "from their sins." Matthew 1:21 This same text tells us that the very name "Jesus" (Yeshua in Hebrew) means "God's salvation." So what are we saved FROM? Hell? No, we are saved from that which sends us to hell- SIN. Woe to us if we try to retain our right to the thing Jesus died to set us free from.

      The life we live as ambassadors of Jesus Christ DOES affect the way people view him, and we must not let ourselves off the hook with the excuse "I'm saved but I'm still a sinner." We cannot be saints and sinners simultaneously. Anyone who names the name of Jesus Christ and says they follow him is bound to live as He lived. In romans 2:24 Paul rebukes some of the hypocrites in Rome saying "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Also Psalm 50 provides the biblical definition of hypocrisy: "To the wicked God says, What right do you have to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips for you hate MY instruction and cast my words behind you." Psalm 50:16&17 You were correct in saying that the bible assigns the title of "fool" to the atheist. However, God also assigned the word "wicked" to those who claim association with God yet do not live as He instructs, indeed as He empowers. If we do not practice what we preach we shouldn't preach. We certainly shouldn't hold others to a standard we are unwilling to accept ourselves. I watched the video you linked. Here's the problem I haev with it. It sounds like to men laughing at the stupidity of atheists just like I've heard atheists laugh and mock people of faith. I don't find anything amusing in all this. It's tragic on both sides. Christians live like hell, ignore the truth then mock atheists and say their going to hell for not believing the truths Christians are not bound to. Even in the video you provided one of the speakers chided an unbeliever for wanting to "hold on to his sin." I do agree with that point. Thanks again for commenting T. Blessings.

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      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      MsDora- Thank you for commenting and for understanding the spirit of what I am saying. I know the holiday season is very special to a lot of people, and I wouldn't try to intentionally offend anyone. Having said that, I do believe that there really is such a thing as righteous indignation and I think it is merited anytime the Savior of the world is maligned or misrepresented. I only hope I express my position in a way that meets His approval. Blessings.

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      Dora Weithers 

      17 months ago from The Caribbean

      Leland, I appreciate your call to re-establish the truth about Christ. As a child I was taught exactly what you affirm here. I have not changed churches, but the teaching is different: "We know He was not born on December 25, but . . ." Also I heard a child say, "I know Santa isn't real, but I wish he were." We shouldn't confuse the kids--and ourselves. Thanks for the call to reexamine ourselves and our beliefs.

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      17 months ago from now on

      Leland! Well done and so true, but Christians, even the most devout, saved but still sinners, have fallen short of the call yesterday, today and will tomorrow in one way or another. So as far as “atheists” go, nothing matters, not even a perfect practice of Christianity would deter them from finding fault with it, they’d simply lie about it because as the Bible declares:

      Psalm 14:1 ESV

      To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

      Ephesians 4:18 ESV

      They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart

      The reason why atheists can’t accept Christianity has little to do with facts or reasoning, but everything to do with the moral readon why and this 3 minute interview explains exactly what I mean.

      https://youtu.be/wjBZIv4CH8o

    • Leland Johnson profile imageAUTHOR

      Leland Johnson 

      17 months ago from Midland MI

      Flourish- I appreciate an outside perspective. I think I'm in the minority on this one for sure :)

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      FlourishAnyway 

      17 months ago from USA

      I’ve listened to someone with similar ideas regarding Christmas. Although I’m not a religious person it was interesting to me from an outside perspective.

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