University of Phoenix Online? What a Joke!

University of Phoenix Online is a scam for college students and I know this for a fact because I wasn't properly trained in their Bachelors of Science in Information Technology program! Tell me, how many graduates from this I.T. program, with zero real-world work experience, landed a job in Information Technology? Well let me be the first graduate from the Bachelors of Science in Information Technology program who graduated with honors and a 3.9 G.P.A. to tell you that nobody did. And don't blame it on the economy either because I applied for a job as a computer systems administrator I and II for the University of Phoenix's parent company Apollo Group and my resume got rejected. I don't know why I'm not getting a call back or at least an appointment for an interview because computer systems administrators fall under Information Technology so, what seems to be the problem Apollo Group? I graduated with a 3.9 G.P.A. from your company! Do you, Apollo Group, send your I.T. staff to the University of Phoenix Online to further their career in the computer science field?

Computer science is amazing! Look at how far the Internet has come since 1995! We can do so many things now on the Internet like online bill payments, watch our favorite television episodes, join a social online community like Facebook, and a whole lot more. Computer science is amazing and I should capitalize "AMAZING!" The speed at which we can connect to the Internet is amazing, computer programming is amazing, database design is amazing, etc., etc., etc. The I.T. program at the University of Phoenix Online is NOT-AMAZING! It's a joke! The enrollment counselors at the University of Phoenix Online, once they get your foot in the door and they get you to finish your first class, that's the last time you'll hear from them. My enrollment counselor either got fired or quit because he didn't want to scam students anymore.

I smell trouble! An online university in Oregon that operated since the 80's as a diploma mill was recently closed down because they lost their accreditation. They were handing out bachelors degrees to students without any brains! It doesn't take much to learn basic English and math but when it comes to the freshman college level, you better know how to write a 5-page MLA or APA paper. I'm serious too! English at the college level is as easy as logging into your Facebook or Twitter account and every college freshman should know how to spell correctly, how to use capitalization properly, punctuation, etc., as well as the difference between two words for example, when to use "your" instead of "you're." Well, "your" enrollment at the University of Phoenix Online won't be your ticket to career success when "you are" or "you're" out there job hunting. I just proved it, I wasn't hired or scheduled for an interview as a computer systems administrator I and II for Apollo Group, University of Phoenix Online's parent company! And let me tell you that the many scam artists' that are enrollment counselors at the University of Phoenix Online enroll anyone willing to believe that they can earn their bachelors degree and a better paying job. That's the hook line and there are many other hook lines as well. So, like the majority of online students enrolled at the University of Phoenix Online, almost 50% of the online student body could not spell correctly, punctuate correctly, or do anything English-related correctly. And I have all my old online classrooms and learning forums to prove it, believe me, I know about the 2 posts over the 4 different days of the week rule if you want a good participation grade.

Today May 8, 2009, on Yahoo! News, Obama announced that the unemployment rate has gone up, about 600,000 people lost their jobs over the past two months, and he's creating a plan for these recently-unemployed people to return to college and still keep their unemployment benefits. He has increased the amount of the Pell Grant so Americans from all walks of life can get properly trained so that America's future work force will be ready when the economy has fallen back into place! And the University of Phoenix Online will be right there, consuming all that Pell Grant money that their students don't have to pay back. This online university, strangely enough, gets so much student financial aid monies every year and it's scary because as a graduate from this university, they took all my money and I can't get any I.T. job, not even an I.T. internship. Apollo Group won't interview me or hire me, I wonder why?

After 15 employment rejection letters from companies in Hawaii, I am fed up at the University of Phoenix Online for scamming me into wasting a huge load of money, yeah I could've went to Harvard and paid the same, and also a huge amount of time, think 2 years! I only know the little knowledge of computer science and nothing more than that but the little knowledge I've gained I could've learned from self-study books at my local library. I transferred in as a junior and that's why I only spent 2 years in their bachelors of science in I.T. program. I don't know how to program in C++, I don't know how to configure and secure a web (http) server, nor do I even know about a web server, what it is or what it can do while I was enrolled at the University of Phoenix. I learned about the web server from my current school I am attending right now, Heald College Honolulu, and they are a million times better. I also learned about a media server, ftp server, domain server, etc., etc. You won't learn anything at the University of Phoenix Online! You'll graduate and enter the world with a worthless degree while Apollo Groups' board of directors laugh at you during your job interviews because they know that you wasn't properly trained at their company, their online college, their online university, the University of Phoenix Online!

I have one thing to say about the University of Phoenix Online Bachelor's of Science in Information Technology and that is, it doesn't do the job. You only learn little or nothing at all and no real-world job skill training like how it says on their web site. The classes are very easy, if you're good a typing papers, you can graduate with a 4.0 from the University of Phoenix Online B.S.I.T. program. We typed papers for hands-on training instead of hooking up a web server to the Internet and testing our web pages that we designed on our servers. What a joke! And that's why no companies in Hawaii will hire me because I only have a beginner's knowledge of computer science. I'm not an expert programmer, web programmer, database engineer, and the best I save for last, computer systems administrator I or II. That's why Apollo Group didn't or doesn't want to hire me. Apollo Group owns and operates the University of Phoenix Online so come on Apollo, hire your Zeus I.T. God, hire me! But you can't because you didn't train me properly in the foundations and principles of Information Technology/Computer Science. You'll need at least 3 solid years of hands-on training to be a master at anything in this field and let me tell you that the I.T. program here won't teach you anything!

Where does that leave me? Well I do want all my money and time wasted back from this fraudulent university! I have to start all over again, I need to go to college again for another 4 years and get a real bachelors degree. I hate having to start all over again but when I am scammed by one of the biggest destinies in life, to go to college and earn a college degree, that is something you cannot explain. What a joke!

I need all the help I can muster to shut down this diploma mill! I'm serious because Obama is allowing recently unemployed people to go back to college and this university will be right there saying, "Please enroll in our great and confident bachelors degree programs and get a better paying job. Reach for your college goals and become a phoenix." Are you ready for the convenience of online college learning that allows you to keep a full-time job, work at your own pace, or are you ready to go back to college as a stay-at-home mom or dad and learn nothing the whole time? You'd better be good with English and able to type papers because that's how they do it at the University of Phoenix Online! Papers, papers, papers, and no real-world hands on training.

How can someone use the education system to scam people who want to better their lives? Computer scientists' earn anywhere between $50,000 to $300,000 dollars a year. Yes, we can make more than doctors and if you're a God at C++ computer programming working on a custom project, you could earn $500,000 dollars in less than a year, depending on how quickly you finish the clients project. Today, I am not making one cent, there are tons of computer science jobs in my area paying over $100,000 dollars, I have a computer science degree, and I'm unemployed. University of Phoenix Online? Don't enroll here! You won't be able to build and test any computer hardware or software! You won't be able to do anything in the computer science field with a University of Phoenix Online B.S.I.T. degree! What a joke!

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SGT Jack 2 years ago

University of Phoenix Honolulu or Hawaii in general is not what they claimed to be. They posted on the website that you can take the first 3 weeks as a trial version first to see if you like the school. Instead, my admissions advisor advised me and said that I really don't need the orientation part or the trial version and insisted I start school immediately especially as soon as he found out I just got out of the Army. He had me signed up immediately on FAFSA, PELL GRANT, and went thru the VA website to get the finance part started already too. I first told him I was interested only in being a Microsoft Software Technician or Computer Repair/Web Designer course. Instead, he told me that's in the business course section as IT and had me also enrolled in Business Management which wasn't something I wasn't interested in. First, he told me it’s limited for military members as far as which Major to enroll. He said if you’re in the military, your only options would be a Business course or a Criminal Justice course. So not knowing what my choices were since it’s my first time to enroll in college, well in this case a university, I felt like I was taken advantage of totally. It was more like falling into a trap, a deep hole, and can't climb back up with no other choice but sit and wait for what happens. After attending the first day of the first week of the five week GEN200 course, I had changed my mind and wanted to disenroll myself from UOP because I didn't like the Business Management course at all or better yet, my choices. It totally didn't spark inside of me what they offered and I wanted something that would greatly interest me and make me hungry to learn. So I called up my admissions advisor and told him I wanted to quit. He didn't like the idea and wanted me to stay in and said it's a big mistake I was making. I told him I wanted a Computer Tech Course and that the IT Course under Business Management wasn't what I was looking for. He finally gave up and agreed and dropped all my classes. Later on the day he called me and told me that I owe UOP $300-350 because VA won't cover for the first week of the 5 week course since I attended only the 1st day. They were charging me for my 1st day in class I attended which was also the first day of GEN200 course which was also the introductory course that tells everything about UOP. I went on the UOP Main Web page it says under the Risk Free Trial tab that any new student or applicant can try the trial version first by taking the first three week of an introductory, credit bearing course with no financial obligation whatsoever. I am currently fighting this charge against me because of what they stated on their web page and I really don't believe that I should be charged for my 1 day class introductory since they said its free trial included. I served 15 years active in the US Army and now in the US Army Reserve Component in Hawaii and I don't think that's the way to treat your customers, especially those who protected, defended and served you and the nation. Please help if possible!

cknapp 2 years ago

I completely agree, I am in the computer science and information technology and i am in my fourth year in the program down to my last 5 classes of the program and i feel more frustrated now than when in my first year because of being online and i am not getting the help i need to succeed in my course and i am not confident enough to think i will get the job that i want because of the skills i am lacking.

mary 3 years ago

Wow!!! Was about to enroll online for my master in pyschology at UOP until i stumbled on this bad review .

Ben 3 years ago

I've only been with UoP for a few months after I had an issue with a community college I went to... I'm getting fed up with these "classes" that do not relate anywhere near my A.S. IT Degree. I'm taking one class at a time, and it's going to take me 4 years? I just threw up my hands and said, "No, 4 years? I'm going to Mercer Univ. and getting a B.S. in Information Technology."

In the Know 3 years ago


I am nearly finished with these UOP clowns, the financial aids advisors are like vampires when it comes to student loans. After my award letter came in, I told them that I will be finishing up my last three general ed classes in my local city and they still went ahead and scheduled me for their expensive online course. I told them that that I had not authorized my new academic advisor to do that, therefor take those three classes off of my schedule and now they said" UHHH we have to wait and see how much your local classes will cost". the local classes are way less than their online Bullshit courses.

Dan 3 years ago

How do we shut the program?

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ChelyRay 4 years ago

I have a BA and MBA from University of Phoenix. I had a 3.8 in BA and 3.9 in MBA. I have a 4.0 and a 3.9 in the other two MA degrees I received from other another online accredited college. I also have two other Masters degrees from another online school, so three Masters degrees in all. I applied as an enrollment advisor at my local campus and they didn't even get back to me. I also applied multiple times to teach courses, but they still wouldn't hire me. When I initially enrolled for my MBA at their school, I was promised a teaching job upon completion of the degree...that's been five years ago, I now have three Masters degrees, I've applied multiple times, and still no job teaching job.

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ssaffery 4 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

You see here people, UOP instructors get harassed by UOP business managers for helping their own students so that the students receive no help at all and purposely fail the class. The student must then repeat the same class again and the UOP gets paid double! Fraud! Fraud! Fraud!

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Liam Dalriada 4 years ago

ssaffery wrote about the absymal writing skills of UOP students. As an instructor, I can attest to that. I have had graduate students who should not have graduated high school, their writing was so atrocious. What's worse -- many instructors of English have told me that they have been actually harassed in the form of negative evaluations by UOP personnel for providing detailed writing feedback/instruction to these students.

Gre@tOne 4 years ago

Trust no one and watch your back. Crazy bitches in their compliance department who think their $hit don't stink. Nothing but a bunch of prim a-donas who think they are above the law and love to stab each other in the back. Angelia is one of the people to watch out for as she loves to stick it to her manager when she not looking. Degrading, self-deprecating and extremely judgmental.

Junkers 4 years ago

UoPHX is garbage, spent a year there and it a complete joke. Zero knowledge testing in the BSIT program. Make enough posts in the fourm, and BS your way through a few 3-5 page papers about a fictitious company with seriously limited info and you get an A+. I printed and read 5 online books, of which not one piece of information in any of those books was discussed on any level. They do not care if you come out of their program with any technical knowledge. Without comprehensive knowledge testing this "University" will never be viewed in the employment world as valuable. It's considered slacker U. Sorry I decided to build a life first and have kids and now cant attend a brick and mortar school, but I still deserve a quality educatuion!

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Brian DiPietro 4 years ago

They got me for 21,000 I failed one class with a 3.7 GPA The teacher never showed up once for this math class I have never seen a more shady school than Aixia Apollo and UOP do not trust them!!

Ashley 4 years ago

I have an Associates degree in Health Care Administration/Pharmacy Practice which means I should be able to get a job as a Pharmacy Technician and they will hire some random person off of the street before they will hire me and my degree from UoP, this is a very sad situation and I too owe them around 20k in students loans!

Smallville 4 years ago

I beleive after all these articles that some instructors will agree how deceptive practices ,of UOP stop playing games speak out lets shut this diploma mill down for good.The time to clip this birds wings and gruond it once&for all is now.

Nazirah Rajaa 4 years ago

I'm going thru a mess with them now. Please email more info. I have been enrolled for 22 months and just 3 classes short of an ASA in Pharmacology technician and they did an automatic withdrawal for no reason. how can I have 3 missed weeks attendance and still have an A? The so called teachers are not certified so how can they teach?

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ssaffery 4 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

Your chance was great and good that you did not enroll into this nightmare.

KOL 4 years ago

I was inches away from enrolling. What are the chances that I happened to stumble on this site accidentally?

Carrie 4 years ago

I was scanned by Phoenix Online as well... I took about 9 classes and owe them $20,000 when I was supposed to be getting the max amount of financial aid. They told me I would have to pay out of pocket for 1 class every semester but if u do the math it was like I wasn't getting any aid. Then they wouldn't even let me finish because I took a semester off. I tried transferring to other schools by where I live in Michigan, and couldn't find even 1 school that will accept my credits. I've tried over 10 schools, community colleges and Universities and not 1 will take them. So I'm left with a $20,000 loan debt. for nothing... No degree, no education! I would really like to sue this school for the cost of my loans because I was taken advantage of and feel like I shouldn't have to pay for an education that I did not receive. Even the classes I did take were not worth no $20,000. I basically taught myself. All the classes were reading the material and writing an essay about it, there was no instructor involvement. Please help get in on this class action lawsuit or let me know how I can get out of paying this rediculous loan... My email is -

Matthew Frid 4 years ago

Wow I was actually thinking about going to Phoenix of Arizona Online and I was talking to a counselors on the phone. I was gonna send in my transcripts from my home community college and I was going to really attend this college. Good thing i found this web site. Thank you to everyone that posted on this web site.

Michelle 4 years ago

I withdrew from UOP back in September 2011 after waisting 3 years of my life on literally nothing. I too was very displeased and felt as though I wasn't achieving/learning no more then when I first started. I was hoping to earn my degree in Criminal Justice but felt all that I did earn was a degree in being an Idiot. This was the biggest most expensive mistake I have ever made. Yeah this school is a big scam and a joke. The Moral of this story is, if it's to good too be true it probably is .Something needs to be done to pull the plug on this so-called university.

Jennifer 4 years ago

I COMPLETELY AGREE with this article! University of Phoenix really is a joke!--a very bad, cruel joke...preying on people trying to improve their lives, lying to their students about what will be provided over the course program. I received a degree from UofP for Business Marketing, and still haven't landed a job related to that degree. Still working for close to minimum wage at a call center! The classes provided zero real world training (as they so high tout!)...or any training. The article was completely correct that the other students in the class didn't have the skills to even write/punctuate correctly. I'm not talking about a small typo or oversight...their entire portion (as we did a lot of group papers) was almost completely illiterate! I'm still paying almost $150/month to pay off student loans this devious school wrangled me into. I'd like to give those loans back to University of Phoenix since they didn't provide the service promised. Any way to do this?

Carlos Small 5 years ago

We need to do something not just talk by the way loan industries make more money from those who default than pay back the loans,so they definitely want you to fail it's 2012 we can't let them continue the rest of this year and the next year and the one after that they must be brought to justice. I can be reached

Carie 5 years ago

I agree that any education from UOP is a joke! This school is ripping students off left and right. I took their Bachelors and went straight into their MBA which I now know both are a joke!! I have the undergrad in Accounting and the offers I get for accounting positions pay maybe $12/hr....the MBA doesn't even matter is laughed at .....I owe ovedr 104K in student loans, that I was unaware of being charged for.......I hope we can take legal action to close this university and that all of us can get out of the debt for a totally worthless education!!!!

Chris 5 years ago

Look up "Sally Stroup". She is a link between UoP and the DoE. Part of our next economic colapse, soon you will see a huge market crash again, caused by the student loan industry. It's bigger than UoP, but they are the biggest player, next to the federal government.

Chris 5 years ago

Can anyone tell me if there is any hope for recovering any money from these @%&*$%!

Chris 5 years ago

What a joke! If you want to see the worst part of all, the reason this school is still in business and continues to profit in an obsene way with 90% government funding while only spending 9 cents of every dollar on education, is that their former head lobyist (Director of Industry and Government Affairs for the Apollo Group Inc. and the University of Phoenix, Sally Stroup) is the Assistant Secretary, Office of Post Secondary Education for the Department of Education. I have one question Sally, how is it that the DoE rejected four of my classes (12 credits) after I "completed" my BSIT?! One thing that the University of Phoenix taught me to do was research online, because they don't teach anything. In fact the so call instructors will tell you they are not in the position to teach , but rather facilitators of education. What the hell is that? I have not finished, nor will I. My suggestion, if you are in my shoes, is to either do what the author of this page is doing or work on certifications that will teach you how to actually perform IT roles. (i.e. CCNA, MCITP, MCSE, etc.) Look up Sally Stroup.

sol 5 years ago

Thank you everyone. You have stopped me from making a big mistake. It is very good talking about your experience. Thanks for sharing.

Lisabeth 5 years ago

I am a 40 year old woman who got an bachers in Information Tech degree and graduated in 2008, I can't get a job, I agree totally with this article. I owe 40k and am unqualified to do anything in IT as I was taught only the basics of the IT field, and being that it's been years since I got this I have even forgot what I learned. It's so wrong that UOP duped me into believing someone with no real IT job could get the education needed for this field to get a job. I was working in the clerical field my whole life and jobs for this field require previous work experiece and expertise in computer languages. I hope your article will help others to avoid this huge debt with no payoff for the student.

Cameron Knievel 5 years ago

I went to the University of Phoenix online and hardly ever did I get help from my professors. Come to find out, for an Associates Degree program and half a BS degree program, I owe more than $45,000 just for using my own stuff. Now I am in finacial debt because of them.

Missa 5 years ago

Hey, I want to help someone else and get help for my problems with UOP. I was lied to about several different things, but one of them is my degree. This is the thing I am MOST pissed off about. I am still enrolled in this piece of shit college because I don't quit something I start. Especially when that something will end up costing me 40,000 dollars! I knew what I wanted to accomplish, I want to do management in computer science. I know how long it will take to do this. I was told by the UOP that I HAD to do an Associates program first, then I can do a Bachelor program. This is a lie, maybe in this shit-hole school, but not at all the other schools. I did not know anything about this, so I just assumed he was right. I now have to pray I can get into some other school after I have been robbed two years of my life, and 40,000. Not to mention the price of thew school would be, oh that was twisted around too. I want my money back for wasting two years of my life, adding two years onto my education endeavors, and robbing my bank account! I will most join any cause to stop these liars from taking money from someone else. Where do I sign up?----Dejavuicutooo

Seriously Humbled and Angry 5 years ago

Just a Warning- this is a long reply about my experience as a student at UOP. After spending over 5 years working my tail off to obtain a bachelors and masters degree with UOP, I have mixed feelings about what it would mean if the university sank and went out of business or lost its accreditation. This would mean that I (one of the few) had worked extremely hard for something that means nothing, and yet I will still have to pay for in the range of $30-40,000. I enrolled with UOP in 2006 to obtain a Bachelors of Science in Management (BSM), and I should have known something was amiss when the university suddenly stopped applying my Pell funds towards my tuition-forcing me to be in debt for a degree that employers and other universities apparently consider to be a joke. On several occasions, I tried to take a needed break and was told that I should not because then my financial aid would be interrupted, and I might not be able to take the classes when I did want to return. In essence, I was being held hostage, just so the university could ensure the continued receipt of funds. The one time I tried to take a break and went through the necessary steps to do so in advance, my financial advisor completely ignored my emails and the university mysteriously could not find my leave of absence request that I had gone through the trouble to send. Like others who have commented about the quality of the education received, I had suffered through being one of the few students who did not plagiarize and who actually put forth an effort to submit quality written work. I had complained on a number of occasions and actually produced documented proof that classmates and teammates were plagiarizing or submitting substandard or elementary grade level written material. I even once received a threat from a teammate, when I requested that the individual submit appropriate references for the material used for a team paper. When the individual would not supply the needed references, I suggested that I could go to the instructor, and the student replied with his own threats. I then went to the instructor for advice, and I was told to handle the matter on my own- that the format that I was using as if it was something new (UOP APA format) was optional in his class because he preferred MLA format like the student who was plagiarizing, by the way. The interesting part was that the university adamantly reminded students to use APA formatting for papers, which really makes no difference if the student is plagiarizing material 100%. I actually had several classmates plagiarize my work in the classroom forum, and I supplied evidence to faculty to prove it. The reply was that the matter was being handled- yet, these students would be in the next class with me and would be assigned on my team forcing me to endure the same blatanly obvious disregard for quality and high standards that I had in practically every other class from the beginning. I am stunned and saddened to discover that UOP has gone to these lengths to gain a profit rather than supply a quality education to students, and I am, I guess, one of the morons that fell for the trap. I did follow all the rules, I made sure my financial aid was in order to avoid the threats, I maintained an A average, I endured the witchhunt when those students that just wanted a free piece of paper would act as though it was me who was in the wrong and not them. Yes, I just graduated from UOP with a masters in management, and it seems that I really do have nothing to show for it- Oh, I can say that I have endured the lunacy, the mediocrity, and the subtle bullying that came whenever I tried to point out the fact that some were not submitting original or quality work. The UOP does not want anyone to uncover those individuals- it is the people like me who give credit to the university after all. I am one of the ones who had to be stuck on teams of people who could not tell the difference between your and you're or to and too, which my daughter is learning in the second grade, by the way. I also agree that a community college could offer a better education, and I know for a fact this is true. I attended a community college that is so reputable that they are now a state college, and I never once received a threat from them directly when I needed to withdraw from a course. I also was never told by this community college not to rely entirely on Pell grants funds either. I was counseled to remember that loans have to be repaid, and when I received Pell Grant funds, guess what? The entire distribution was applied to my tuition before I would receive the remainder of any loans- allowing me the choice to decide if I want to go into debt because that is the responsible thing to do.

Ann 5 years ago

I am actually in a class action lawsuit against UOP because they claim to be a credited university and they are not. I graduated 2 years ago from UOP with a Bachelors in Business Management and I still can't get a job because I've been told that I didn't graduate from a credit university. Even major temp agencies don't count my education as a valid education.

Leon 5 years ago

The quality of education that UOP gave me was worth about .50 per class and even that is a lot for them. I feel so robbed hey they did teach me about "KARMA" so that was good.

lea  6 years ago

You all need to start reading!!!! the university of phoenix has so many lawsuits against them right now that they will be lucky to remain open by the end of the year!!!! they fraud everyone that enters courses there, watch the news, nightline, 20/20!!!!!! uop is the biggest scam out there for online colleges right now!

Lady J 6 years ago

Go to facebook and post under complaints on online schools.

We need to get the ball rolling

UOP 6 years ago

University of Phoenix is sucking the money out of the government by taking advantage of the American people stupidity. University of Phoenix has the lowest retention rate of freshmen, only 7% moving on to the next year. University of Phoenix has only a 27% graduation rate and over 18% default rate. Having worked for one of the top 3 US banks in the student loan industry I have witnessed the scam tactics they use to get students and I have talked to those students who were defaulting and were unemployed and heard their stories.

Robbin 6 years ago

I too attended UOP online up until April of this year. Which is when I took a personal medical leave. When trying to return in July, I was informed that I had to pay 1750 up front for my new classes, because they seemed to have over paid me in refunds in the past. When I refused to pay that money knowing they had received my Pell money and student loan money, I was then told that I owed for classes I took back in Feb and March. Which is crazy due to the fact that money was already taken out according to their own records which I have a print out of, and guess what now those records have changed saying I owe them 4k. They had the nerve to call me and ask that I re-apply for my pell grant and it would cover that 4k I supposedly owe to them now. The phone does not stop ringing after I informed to now call me. This school is such a rip off, they raised tuition yet again after just raising it not to long ago. If I can find a good attorney I am going after this school. All they want is money they could care less about ones education. I was already informed I could not get a job in my home state with their degree due to no hands on experience, and that their degrees are worthless.


Well, don't let the University of Phoenix get the best of you, it happened to me too. I don't worry about it because GOD will take care of it all in his own timing. I don't have to do anything but meditate on him and his soverignty. He can handle this problem better than anyone. I have trust in him and he will deliver on time. It's amazing how people have the audacity to do what they do in God's world. All I have to do is be still and know that he is God.

Lex 6 years ago

I got taken as well...I need to find a lawyer...if you know of one that has dealt with UOP and won please reply. Halfway thru the program they raise tution and my class was suppose to graduate with MBA in March 2011 and then are saying no...not till Sept 2011...when I needed them they didn't answer and now that I withdrew they are is a FOR PROFIT university we are just customers to them..well I am not pleased with their service...I can't even transfer these classes and I have lost out on 20K...what a joke

Dr Munich 6 years ago

UOP is a scam, I know of many who have discovered this too late. The price is way high, the training is way low. Real classrooms is what you need, look at the masses of UOP grads using their diploma's for wallpaper in the bathroom. That's about all it's worth, don't take anyones word for it just do your own research and you'll soon stinks!

Penny 6 years ago

I just completed my Associate degree in Web Design with the UOP online, and they tried their best to encourage (deceive) me into continuing with the bachelors program. I realized after the first year (2008), that this degree program was a waste of time and money! I decided to at least complete the associate program with hopes of transfering, but I foolishly failed to do the necessary research for transfering my credits. The credits will not transfer! I am now $20,000 in debt for a useless 2-year IT degree. I earned a 3.96 GPA, so I learned all they had to offer, but what they offered was NOT adequate! I cannot get the past two years back, but I sure would love to sue for the $20,000 I now owe in student loans.

thankful for your time 6 years ago

Thank you for posting this! I am looking into getting my Masters degree online. I have to attend online so as reluctant as I was to look into U of Phoenix (because of their reputation) I thought it would at least keep it as a consideration. You are absolutely correct programs like these are diploma mills! It is so tragic that these companies accept Pell Grant money but do not seek to educate just merely make a profit. I am sorry for your experiences could you apply to a Masters program at a legitimate University? I know the cost issue I face that myself but maybe broaden you occupation choices there are some degree programs that offer tuition stipends with the clause of commiting to work for a few years for the gov. in that particular field. Anyway Thanks again!

no joke 6 years ago

I worked there and they could care less about you or your educational goals. Tell everyone you know this is a huge scam.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

Captain Obvious,

Thank you for your words of justice! As a professor, please do what you can in the DOE to help shut down the University of Phoenix Online as well as all the diploma mills that are accredited by The Higher Learning Commission.

Diploma mills are dangerous to America's higher learning education system because they steal money that could otherwise be paying for full-time faculty at state public and private colleges and universities. Diploma mills also shatter a students dream of accomplishing an associates, bachelors, and masters degree when they realize that their college or university was just a diploma mill!

If you have any H.R. evidence containing information about companies not hiring graduates from online colleges and universities because they think these online schools are diploma mills, please save that information and file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education.

Captain Obvious 7 years ago

The poster above said about UP: "The education you get from them is no better and no worse than the same degree anywhere else." Really? No worse than a degree from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, the Sorbonne, Oxford? The University of Phoenix is the same as these universities? Sorry, but you are dead wrong.

Captain Obvious 7 years ago

P.S. The only positive comments on forums like this are from UP agents who are paid to troll the internet and post good things about their joke of a "school." Trust me, I know this for a fact. I dated one.

Captain Obvious 7 years ago

University of Phoenix is a joke, and not a "university." It is an online trade "school," and a poor one at that. I am a Professor at a real university, and I assure you that no one, no one, takes a UP "degree" seriously. If you want to actually be educated, go to a real university. It is cheaper, 100 times better, and it is taken seriously and not mocked and laughed at.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

The University of Phoenix doesn't provide any information to prospective students. That's why I'm here to provide as much detailed information as possible about this joke of an online university selling college degrees as cheap products.

They only care about student enrollment numbers. Once you're enrolled, that's all they care about, and if you either fail or drop out, the University of Phoenix is very happy because, they got paid!

That's how this fraudulent university operates, to take your dollar and give you a degree that cannot get you hired anywhere!

Please read blog and be sure to visit web site for more information.

me 7 years ago

I need more info about their school. You would imagine since it is an online university, they would provide more information online.... Instead of having to talk to a counselor

april turner 7 years ago

I went to the school for one semester. left with a GPA of 3.11. I found out early this was not the school for me; as far as learning more a bout your field. I think if we pay this much for education, we should at least get our books. This school owes me money and has not paid yet. FASA says it's my money. They have yet to send it. So...this school is for people who has a degree already and just wants to go farther in life. 5-6 week classes can not help someone who has never had formal education outside k-12

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

UPH Student,

Again you praise the school and say that you graduated with an associates degree (you forgot to mention what program you graduated from) and finally, you don't provide the employer name that you work for nor a telephone number of the company that you work for so the entire world will know just how valid your University of Phoenix degree really is.

Please tell us your name, where you work, and also a phone number for the company you work for so we can verify that you aren't just another "anonymous I.P. address" trying to make a claim of stupidity here.

Let us know how you were hired straight out of college as a first-time college student with your University of Phoenix degree by providing your name, the company you work for, the telephone number of your company, and your job title.

UPH Student 7 years ago

And I forgot to mention, they have an "A" with the Better Business Bureau. I had read a few blogs about how previous students felt that the school was a joke, but really, anyone can blog about anything they are dissatisfied with. And my final thought is that you get what you pay for.

UPH Student 7 years ago

I cannot agree with your saying that the school is a joke. I just completed my Associate's degree. The classes are VERY challenging, and I had to apply myself more than at the local community college I had taken classes at (and by the way, most colleges and universities offer online classes). It is a real university with in-depth classes, the same as if you drove to a university campus and sat in class for hours at a time. Any university is costly.

My enrollment counselors, academic counselors, and financial advisor call me quite frequently to check-in and ask if I have any questions or concerns. Maybe the person you were working with just sucked. I am fortunate enough to have had the best experience with all but one person that I had to deal with. I called and complained and immediately I had a new person in her place to help and was much better. You must understand that not everyone cares enough to do a good job, but that is where you probably should have taken over and informed someone from the school.

former employee 7 years ago

University of Phoenix is a total joke. Anybody enrolled there is a sucker and a moron. Did you know the enrollment counselors pay rate is based on how many students they enroll? In other words, they work on commission and therefore have a vested interest in enrolling people. There is no support system, the student and employee turnover rate is incredible because it is a complete joke. Have fun spending about 3 times what you would at your local university

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

Funny says:

17 hours ago

Its funny no that would not be correct . It is comical to see posts that scream "they did me wrong" when it comes to education. The format, information, and hopefully enrichment is not forced upon you. Guess what! Any 4 year institution will not spoon feed you either. The basic analysis is that either you will apply yourself (it is hard) or you will not. It is completely up to the student. If anyone for a single minute thinks that the paper alone you hang on your wall is where it stops then I am sorry to say you are wrong. I recently completed my MIS - Master in Information Systems. Guess what, I did not have an issue with employment. Unfortunately (yes again) it is not only the paper on the wall! You might not be the team player they are looking for. You might not fit the bill when it comes to the type of person that they thinks fits their organization. So many other things can stand in your way it would fill this entire post just to mention half of them. Alas that is life! So how about taking a "What can I do" approach and find a solution instead of bashing a school based on you own failures?


Let me ask you questions that will put you right back in your shoes of stupidity!

What is your name and what company do you work for with your Master in Information Systems that you received from the University of Phoenix? What company do you work for? Prove it! You can email me your information if you feel you can prove that you're working with your University of Phoenix Masters in Information Systems degree. But guess what? You can't prove anything and you didn't even graduate with a masters degree. You graduated with a masters degree in stupidity with a concentration in ignorance!

You're just a failed liar who constantly fails to provide adequate information regarding the University of Phoenix! So go ahead and hang your Master's of Science in Stupidity degree on your wall!

The University of Phoenix is a for-profit diploma mill!

The Higher Learning Commission accredited Brooks College that operated out of California. Well guess what happened to Brooks College?

And guess what? Brooks College is still accredited even though they have been shut down because they were exposed as being a diploma mill. Watch the CBS 60 Minutes News segment on Brooks College.

The Higher Learning Commission accredits the University of Phoenix, another for-profit diploma mill! And guess what will happen to the University of Phoenix in the near future? Hopefully your Master's of Science in Stupidity degree can help you find your answers!

Kill the "Phoenix" and cook it already! And curse that "Phoenix" with death so it can never be re-born!

Cheers to the University of Phoenix shutting down for good and all of its affiliates being sent to the big house for conducting fraud, breach of contract, and for stealing money from students, leaving them with a bad education and student loan debt!

I. Agree 7 years ago

U of Phx is a joke!

I. Agree 7 years ago

I went through U of Phx to get a Master's in IT. I needed the online option as I was working full-time in the IT field already. Needless to say, the program was a total joke. I even turned in one group member for blatantly plagiarizing content directly from web sites. I noticed that they were doing this during class participation but felt I had to turn them in when it came to submitting our group paper. I wasn't about to submit a paper with my name on it when it contained obvious plagiarism.

As for the Apollo Group, I have tried to apply with them after being laid-off. My experience and skills fit to a T with what they do, yet I was repeatedly rejected. They did not even want to talk to me and I can only surmise that having a degree from U of Phx is like the kiss of death. I am still paying for what turned out to be the most worthless piece of education I ever received. So, no, you are not imagining anything. But i wouldn't feel too bad. From what I've heard from people who actually worked there it's a sweatshop and they don't actually care about the people that work for them.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

fakediploma says:

8 days ago

very long post... how long did you write this article?.... I try to write good article like you.. thank you..

Hi fakediploma,

It took me an hour to write this article. Please share with us your experience with the U. of Phoenix Online and why they are indeed a fraudulent business operation?

rinklighter 7 years ago

I recently had the chance to look over some coursework for the U of P's first and second-year students. It appears these classes were designed for high school freshmen (no book reports for "Lord of the Flies" appeared in the syllabus, though). Their recruiting tactics border on stalker/car salesmen, and they seem to be all about signing people up.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

Vance says:

10 hours ago

Sounds to me like you are just mad because you can't find a job which you thought having a degree entitled you to. That is definitely not the case. I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering from the University of Notre Dame and I'm having a problem finding a job right now too. But it's not because Notre Dame is a fraudulent institution and needs to be shut down. It's because I live in Michigan (where there's a very high unemployment rate), and I don't have much experience which most employers are looking for. Companies have their pick of candidates for any of the few jobs they are offering right now because there are so many unemployed people. And while it may be nice that you have a degree, so do a lot of other people who also have years (if not decades) of experience. I don't care where you received your degree from, if I'm a hiring manager at a company and am looking for someone for a particular position, I would be looking at the people with the most experience first in most cases because education is really not a 1-to-1 substitute for experience.

My advice to you is to quite complaining about not being able to find a job. Keep looking for a job, but don't expect to find one simply because you have a degree. You have to try a lot harder than that, especially because you obviously don't have much experience. And I wish you luck because it seems to me that you are probably lacking in another important quality employers are looking for....a good attitude.


Let me give you the facts straight out:

Were all your core classes 5-weeks long?

Did you read only the first few chapters of each course text for every course?

Did you type papers instead of doing hands-on training with computers and information systems for example connecting an entire information system together complete with http/email/ftp/SQL2005/,etc. servers?

Did your enrollment couselor at the U. of Notre Dame tell you that you'll be learning the same material if you decided to enroll at the U. of Phoenix Online?

Why don't you "google" how many lawsuits the U. of Phoenix lost over the past 10 years and just see how fraudulent this college is. How many lawsuits did the U. of Notre Dame lose in the past 10 years?

And I'm not just speaking for my Bachelor's of Science in I.T. program, I'm also speaking on behalf of all those students who couldn't get accepted into a college elsewhere because they got scammed by the University of Phoenix.

Phoenix's motto is, "If you can't get accepted into any college, we'll accept you." Is the U. of Notre Dame's motto the same?

These are just some things you can think over and good luck with your job hunt, you'll probably get in with a good company because you graduated from a state university.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

jenken27 says:

2 hours ago

I am 3 courses away from receiving my BS in Business Marketing at UoP. I have learned so much, and what I have learned has already advanced my career. Our HR Director is going to FGCU a state university here in Florida and our business courses cover the exact same material. I would say that the benefit of the online world is it greatly increases your written skills. However, it doesn't prepare you for giving speeches or presentations in front of people.

Maybe you need to network better. Do you have any work experience in the field you are applying for? If not, then you can expect that a degree is enough. Many people have degrees and experience.

Hello jenken27,

The reason why college students enroll in bachelors degree programs is to gain hands-on training for their field of study. For my Bachelor's of Science in Information Technology program at U. of Phoenix Online, the only experience I received was reading a few chapters of one course textbook, type papers, and participate in a learning team with students who could not use English properly, and this was for all my I.T. classes.

Computer science is a tough field I mean for the programming part, which is what I wanted to do, computer programming, I took Calculus I and II at another college, got A's for both classes, and then I was looking forward to taking Discrete Mathematics at U. of Phoenix because I love math and computers. All of these math classes are in the University of Hawaii at Manoa's Bachelor's of Science in Computer Information Sciences program and when I signed up at U. of Phoenix, their enrollment counselor told me that I would be learning the same concepts and principles of computer science if I chose to study at U. of Hawaii. Well, I never took Discrete Mathematics at U. of Phoenix Online. I was lied to and scammed by my U. of Phoenix enrollment counselor just so he could get my foot in the door so he could get paid. All he cared about was the money and not the quality of education I would receive.

For all you I.T. students out there who want a bachelors degree, don't enroll at U. of Phoenix Online, you won't learn anything.

Here's a lawsuit you can read about and I wish you success with your degree.

Nancy Krop is the attorney handling this case which goes to trial early next year.

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Joe says:

2 days ago

I feel for you man, I lived in Honolulu for 5 years, the Hawaii job market is totally different than the rest of the US. I remember being over there and not hearing any national news, the Local news in Hawaii concentrated on just that, LOCAL news. I think the UOP needs to be shut down, High School advisors told me DO NOT attend UOP they are too high in tuition and are not regionally accredited. Well it seems like alot of people are having problems finding jobs after graduating UOP, I don't think that's by accident.

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your support. There are a lot of computer science jobs here in Honolulu but a U. of Phoenix Online degree definitely won't get a graduate from this school a job in any state. That's a good idea that your high school advisors told you not to attend this fraudulent university and I hope all high schools tell all their students to stay away from the U. of Phoenix.

Joe 7 years ago

I feel for you man, I lived in Honolulu for 5 years, the Hawaii job market is totally different than the rest of the US. I remember being over there and not hearing any national news, the Local news in Hawaii concentrated on just that, LOCAL news. I think the UOP needs to be shut down, High School advisors told me DO NOT attend UOP they are too high in tuition and are not regionally accredited. Well it seems like alot of people are having problems finding jobs after graduating UOP, I don't think that's by accident.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

UOP IT is Garbage says:

5 hours ago

In my third bachelor's class, feeling like I have learned nothing...


I'm sorry you are not learning anything. I felt the same way in my first 5 classes too but I looked forward to learning about Information Technology only to find out that I barely learned anything at all in all of my I.T. classes. The University of Phoenix Online will always be there for the money first when they should be giving students a quality education!

My suggestion for you would be to drop out of the University of Phoenix and attend your local state university so you can get a real education. If U. of Phoenix threatens you, record all the phone calls, save all your emails, and contact Nancy Krop, she's a lawyer based out of Los Angeles, California. She might be able to help you.



UOP IT is Garbage 7 years ago

In my third bachelor's class, feeling like I have learned nothing...

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

J. Walker says:

9 hours ago

While I agree that UOP is a den of thieves (my phrase)

My problem with them is their financial and accounting practices and misuse of Title 4 funds.

The education you get from them is no better and no worse than the same degree anywhere else. Ultimately you get out of it what you put into it. The BS/BIS is not a computer science degree it's a Business information systems degree. That means you learn just enough about the trenchwork to apply the information to the business world. What you've failed to realize is that the BS/BIS was designed to prepare the student for more of a management IS role. At least 1/3rd of my classes in the program 10 years ago were business and communication (as in talk not electronics).

I took my classes the traditional way with the group meetings and all. I didn't expect to become a programmer or network engineer. Skills like that come from a different course of study.

Hi J. Walker,

I found out way too late about the scam, I was just one class away from graduating. My I.T. classmates just told me to finish and that I wouldn't have a problem getting into the field as a programmer because I would receive my bachelors degree.

I got lied to by everyone that represented the UoP Online from the very beginning to the very end.

It will be interesting to see what the United States Supreme Court will say about them come September 2009 which is next month.

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

danielchakraborty says:

9 hours ago

nice article... i hope you find something soon!


Thank you.

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danielchakraborty 7 years ago from Bangalore

nice article... i hope you find something soon!

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

chickasaw says:4 days ago

you're the one that needs too get over it the university of phoenix is a big scam i took there I.T program also and another thing i want too say is that university employs people too look for bad openians online about that school then they blog all kinds of nice things about the school then they resort too grade school playground name calling.this school needs too be shut down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twin XL says:27 minutes ago

Chickasaw- I think you should stop while you are ahead- well you aren't even really ahead yet. You tout about the fact that you "attended" U of Phoenix, but obviously you struggle with basic grammar and English so I would hardly think Phoenix could have helped in your case. I agree University of Phoenix is most likely a scam and best of luck ssafery, nice post.

Thank you chickasaw and TwinXL for your support. Chickasaw, contact me so you can talk to the lawyer I am speaking with as of 06/30/2009. If not contact Nancy Krop her information can be found here on this web site:

For all those lawyers in cyberspace who practice consumer law I'd suggest contacting Nancy Krop and collaborating with her so we can shut down this $2 billion dollar diploma mill. It's not right to take a students money, teach them nothing, then have them graduate with a worthless bachelors degree and a huge debt in student loans.

Twin XL 7 years ago

Chickasaw- I think you should stop while you are ahead- well you aren't even really ahead yet. You tout about the fact that you "attended" U of Phoenix, but obviously you struggle with basic grammar and English so I would hardly think Phoenix could have helped in your case. I agree University of Phoenix is most likely a scam and best of luck ssafery, nice post.

chickasaw 7 years ago

you're the one that needs too get over it the university of phoenix is a big scam i took there I.T program also and another thing i want too say is that university employs people too look for bad openians online about that school then they blog all kinds of nice things about the school then they resort too grade school playground name calling.this school needs too be shut down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ssaffery 7 years ago from Los Angeles, California Author

Diana  says:16 minutes ago

Get over it! Even Harvard students can't find jobs. Or don't you watch the news?

There are over 100 Information Technology jobs in Honolulu, Hawaii right now.  Google I.T. jobs in Honolulu and you'll find tons of jobs.  Where does it say on the news that there aren't any Information Technology jobs in Honolulu, Hawaii?  Do you watch the news for Honolulu, Hawaii?  There are tons of telecommute freelance Information Technology opportunities as well but I wasn't properly trained at the University of Phoenix Online.  So get your facts straightened out first before you flip your television station and begin watching your local news. You should watch employment news for Honolulu, Hawaii and get over it!

Interesting information for you, I suggest you click here:

Also, watch this video too:

Finally, when you're done reading and watching about attorney Nancy Krop, you can get over it!

Diana 7 years ago

Get over it! Even Harvard students can't find jobs. Or don't you watch the news?

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