'The Lisbon Treaty -Ireland October 2nd- Yes or No
46- ScarletRyan1970
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NO.
96- ryankett
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You should be grateful that your nation gives you the chance to vote on these matters. We dont even get a referendum.
As a Englishman, I dont want anything further to do with the EU. It costs us hundreds of millions of pounds/euros more than we take from it. Opting out never did Norway any harm.
100- Mark Knowles
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Who on earth knows what is going on?
I am so full of BS - I can barely swallow....- 46
- ScarletRyan1970
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Hello,
We had already voted last year and our answer was No.
I am not grateful that we should have to vote again on a second Lisbon treaty.
Exactly,France and Germany are regretting it.
Hope it will be another NO. - 96
- ryankett
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Why shouldn't you be grateful? You have the democratic right to vote no again. Try living in the UK where 633 greedy spivs makes the decision for the other 60+ million of us.
Ireland is the only country out of 27 states who held a referendum. You dont realise how lucky you are, to live in the only true democracy in Europe. So yes, you should be grateful. The decision is in the hands of the people, no other country in Europe can say that.
Your democracy is hinging on a 1987 Irish Supreme Court decision. No other government would have upheld their constitution, and no other government has. So yes, I believe that you should feel lucky that your government is upholding the Irish Constitution.
The adapted proposal takes into consideration the primary concerns of the Irish 'no' voters, on issues including Abortion and Taxation. So why not see whether a majority now supports the treaty?
You live in one of the most democratic countries in the world, and that is something to be proud of. It is a pity if you are not. 
91- LondonGirl
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It takes the piss, though, that when people vote "no" various EU countries keep holding new votes until they get the answer "yes". I'm with Ryan - wish we could have a vote, but ONE.
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Umm, what's voting is for if you are forced to vote until you get the expected result? I really see no difference, except for increased perversion...
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LondonGirl wrote:
It takes the piss, though, that when people vote "no" various EU countries keep holding new votes until they get the answer "yes". I'm with Ryan - wish we could have a vote, but ONE.
I guess I take your point there. But in fairness, the EU have changed the proposed treaty quite significantly to try and compromise and appease those that voted no in Ireland. So it is quite essentially a new treaty? Which has been adapted specifically as a result of a survey of the Irish public to determine their reasons for rejection. Those changes would apply across all 27 member states, so even if Ireland does now vote yes.... they have been afforded a fair bit of input into the proposals, and this should in theory now be a treaty that more people in Ireland are content with.
If they vote No again, then I believe that this will be the end of the process for Ireland....... so democracy is quite essentially still there. When was the last time the UK held a referendum? It is a disgrace. I guess that if I was Irish, I would be voting no because I just cannot tolerate the EU and what it stands for. But, if the treaty now passes with a significant majority, then this can still be considered the publics democratically made decision. - 91
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Only ever once - after EEC entry, as it was then.
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- Misha
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You have a point Ryan, and I could be completely wrong here - I frankly have almost no information about the issue, except from this thread.
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- ryankett
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LondonGirl wrote:
Only ever once - after EEC entry, as it was then.
And I bet many people who voted yes on that day now fully regret their decision.... we need a revolution in this country. I know they are strong words, but the whole political system is rotten to the core - I guess that I am one of many that thinks that way these days.
ryankett wrote:
LondonGirl wrote:
Only ever once - after EEC entry, as it was then.
And I bet many people who voted yes on that day now fully regret their decision.... we need a revolution in this country. I know they are strong words, but the whole political system is rotten to the core - I guess that I am one of many that thinks that way these days.
Not Northern Ireland where you imposed a Terrorist Government upon us !
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- ScarletRyan1970
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Hello,
Knew it would'nt take long!
We are discussing The Lisbon Treaty B.C.
Northern Ireland belong to Britian B.C.
So GET OVER IT!
You guys up in the North will have no say in the Lisbon Treaty.
And thankyou for taking yourself off my Fan list.
I don't need fans like you on it.
In my oponion, we should be handing Ireland back to Britian and asking for forgivness for the mess it is in.
I rather have Ireland ruled by Britian than Europe.
And i am not the only one that is saying that around here on the ground. ryankett wrote:
LondonGirl wrote:
It takes the piss, though, that when people vote "no" various EU countries keep holding new votes until they get the answer "yes". I'm with Ryan - wish we could have a vote, but ONE.
I guess I take your point there. But in fairness, the EU have changed the proposed treaty quite significantly to try and compromise and appease those that voted no in Ireland. So it is quite essentially a new treaty? Which has been adapted specifically as a result of a survey of the Irish public to determine their reasons for rejection. Those changes would apply across all 27 member states, so even if Ireland does now vote yes.... they have been afforded a fair bit of input into the proposals, and this should in theory now be a treaty that more people in Ireland are content with.
If they vote No again, then I believe that this will be the end of the process for Ireland....... so democracy is quite essentially still there. When was the last time the UK held a referendum? It is a disgrace. I guess that if I was Irish, I would be voting no because I just cannot tolerate the EU and what it stands for. But, if the treaty now passes with a significant majority, then this can still be considered the publics democratically made decision.The treaty itself has not been changed,if it had it would have to be voted on again. in the case of Ireland they have just given "legal" gaurantees on issues like neutrality.
94- BristolBoy
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ScarletRyan1970 wrote:
Hello,
Knew it would'nt take long!
We are discussing The Lisbon Treaty B.C.
Northern Ireland belong to Britian B.C.
So GET OVER IT!
You guys up in the North will have no say in the Lisbon Treaty.
And thankyou for taking yourself off my Fan list.
I don't need fans like you on it.
In my oponion, we should be handing Ireland back to Britian and asking for forgivness for the mess it is in.
I rather have Ireland ruled by Britian than Europe.
And i am not the only one that is saying that around here on the ground.Funnily enough I was reading an article on a major newspaper website which said just the same thing about many Irish wanting to be part of Britain once again and out of the EU.
Two of the best countries in the world (in my opinion) are Norway and Iceland. Both had chances in the past to join teh EU and both rejected it, seemingly to their own individual advantages. Large reasons for both countries wishing not to join was to do with the loss of national fishing rights (remember the cod wars between Britain and Iceland). Also Norway wanted to protect other natural resources.
Iceland has since messed up financially and so looks like it will join the EU due to not having much other choice (knowing if they join the EU they will be bailed out).
Norway however continues to be one of the best countries in the world to live in on many different indicators, as well as the government having a massive amount of money invested (think it is over $400 billion or to put it another way over 1% of global shares controlled by the Norwegian state).- 46
- ScarletRyan1970
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Hello,
BristolBoy,
Iceland is in a mess.
Yes Norway would be a good place to live.
Too bloody cold for me though.
There are certaintly a lot of people here on the Ground that want Britian and Ireland to come together as ONE.We would be stronger together than apart.
Fishing rights.we have no Fishing rights here in Ireland.
Strick quotas for our Fishermen,we have the French to the East of us stealing our fish in the Irish seas,Spainish to the South and more Spainish trawlers to the west of Ireland.Sure the fishermen had a Rally during the summer,rally here in Dublin.Hundreds of them, and were giving away the fish for free.
The Farmers here want to work with the British Farmers and forget about Brussels.
Im all for Britian,i knew this was coming.Once we got the bloddy
Euro.I think i would rather have the pound please.
Thankyou for your input.Australia is a good country to live in also.They are very fair to their citizens. - PirateGirl
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ScarletRyan1970 wrote:
Hello,
Knew it would'nt take long!
We are discussing The Lisbon Treaty B.C.
Northern Ireland belong to Britian B.C.
So GET OVER IT!
You guys up in the North will have no say in the Lisbon Treaty.
And thankyou for taking yourself off my Fan list.
I don't need fans like you on it.
In my oponion, we should be handing Ireland back to Britian and asking for forgivness for the mess it is in.
I rather have Ireland ruled by Britian than Europe.
And i am not the only one that is saying that around here on the ground.The South is a mess, and we will always remain British !
I thought you were being delighted , oops I meant deleted was thinking of yer Southern education !- 46
- ScarletRyan1970
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I shall be delighted when i am deleted.
When hubpages get their act together.
So in the mean time your stuck with me Pirategirl
Watch this space.Love the outfit. - PirateGirl
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ScarletRyan1970 wrote:
I shall be delighted when i am deleted.
When hubpages get their act together.
So in the mean time your stuck with me Pirategirl
Watch this space.Love the outfit.Lol I thank you my fellow Patriot, yer ok x
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video which I posted onto the internet before the Malahide Bridge collapse. These are just samples of a larger collection.
The Republic of Ireland‘s non compliance with a ratified Human Rights Convention goes back 56 years.
On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The European Convention of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms was signed on 4 November 1950. It was ratified by Ireland on 25 February 1953. It was then entered into force on 3 September 1953.
The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union is a document enshrining certain fundamental rights. It was signed in December 2000. The Lisbon Treaty is seeking to have this Charter ratified which means if passed it would then become a law and not an aspiration.
This Charter is a natural progression with amendments of the Declaration of 1948. Although many of the articles of both Charter and Declaration may agree in principle they are arranged in a different word order.
Article 2.1 of the Charter states that
Everyone has a right to life.
Article 3 of the Declaration states that
Everyone has a right to life, liberty and security of person
However the Convention which was ratified states that
Everyone’s rights to life shall be protected by law
The Republic of Ireland signed the Convention on the Rights of the Child on 30 September 1990 and ratified it, without reservation, on 21 September 1992
The Convention deals with the child-specific needs and rights. It requires that states act in the best interests of the child.
In accordance with this Convention a child must have the same rights as an adult and more.
Therefore in accordance with the Convention of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms which was ratified by Ireland the life of a child must be protected by law
In the Republic of Ireland in many instances the life of a child or an adult is not protected by law
The Right to Life written into the Irish Constitution refers only to the life of an unborn child
Article 17 of the Convention states that
Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed at the destruction of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at their limitations than is provided for in the Convention
The deliberate omission of Article 2.1 is a violation of Article 17
Article 56 of the Road Traffic Act 1933 which is still in use in Ireland states that
“”Obligation to be insured or guaranteed
It shall not be lawful for any person (hereinafter referred to
as the said driver) at any time to drive in a public place a
mechanically propelled vehicle unless either a vehicle insurer, a
vehicle guarantor, or an exempted person would be legally liable for
injury caused by the negligent driving of such vehicle””
The above is cited as an example of compulsory insurance
The Irish insurance industry is a major contributor to the Irish economy.
In many instances the Republic of Ireland does not have a law to help prevent death or serious injury but it does have laws whereby an injured person or the next of kin of a deceased person can claim compensation arising as a result of such accidents or incidents.
This suggests very strongly that the law to protect life was deliberately omitted by the Republic of Ireland for nefarious purposes.
Although health and safety awareness appears to be very acute in Ireland in fact much of this is geared almost entirely to work related concerns. Health and safety awareness and health and safety organisations such as the Health and Safety Authority have no jurisdiction or input into public arenas such as streets in towns or villages unless it is work related.
On the streets of the Republic of Ireland potentially lethal situations that would never be tolerated on building sites or elsewhere are common place. If they pose an immediate hazard to life and limb, in all probability they will be attended to almost as soon as they are reported. If they do not pose an immediate threat they could remain in that state for years.
There is absolutely no one responsible for rectifying these situations. They are not the responsibility of the Garda Siochána, Local Authorities, Health and Safety Authority or elected representatives. They are not illegal.
All inquiries of an official nature, if replied to, invariably evolve around two things. Denial of responsibility on their behalf and the knowledge that such matters can only be dealt with through the medium of compensation claims and liability.
Their prime concern, if they have any concern at all centres almost entirely around the aftermath of an accident. Prevention and the fact that someone could be killed or seriously injured very seldom enter the equation. It should be stressed that this observation only applies if the individual or organisation replying to the query is not directly involved.
There are groups of persons such as fire fighters, Gardaí and members of other rescue organisations that risk their lives to save the lives of others on a daily basis. Over the years a number of those persons have paid the ultimate price.
Very possibly unknown to themselves they are risking their lives in spite of the fact that the law to protect life is not in the country.
This violation of Articles 2.1 and 17 of the Convention of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms which was ratified by Ireland has continued in Ireland since 1953.
As the International Human Rights Community has continuously ignored these violations it becomes apparent that Human Rights are not a main priority to anyone except to those directly affected.
It is also quite apparent that even if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified, the ratification will mean very little except to those with a vested interest in promoting it.
In conclusion I would like to point out that this letter is written purely on humanitarian grounds. I do not have any affiliation with any anti-Treaty or any anti-Government groups or organisations.
Is mise le meas
Anthony O’Hagan
Watch this video which was posted on to the internet before a railway bridge collapsed in Ireland
The video is entitled
GREAT MOMENTS OF MYTHOLOGY-LISBON TREATY
URL:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERyKihaUUlU
