Is your man a real Peter Pan?
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Just idly chatting, as you do...
Sitting with a friend in her garden idly chatting, as you do, we were talking about some of the men we know. Their good points, bad points, relationships and so on. Typical Saturday afternoon 'glass of wine in the garden' chatter. We were having this good old chinwag about one particular man and why he doesn't seem to be involved in any relationship, ever. After sipping more wine, it suddenly came to us that this man is just like Peter Pan. We thought about it, had more wine, and found that in our pasts we had accidentally stumbled upon many Peter Pans. Some were our best friends, and others, we had hoped would be more than that but it had never ever developed that way. Another bottle of wine, and we were ready to discuss the implications of trying to get involved with a Peter Pan, and its effect on our sanity.
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Peter Pan Syndrome
The amazing thing, is that when I got home and blurrily focused my alcohol-glazed eyes on the computer screen, I found out that we did not invent this whole Peter Pan thing. Some bloody twit got there before us. So we didn't stumble on a new phenomena never previously thought of. Here we were celebrating our discovery with another bottle of wine, and it had already been discovered and written about. In 1983, to be precise, by a man called Dan Kiley. The book was called, strangely enough, The Peter Pan Syndrome. Now, how a man can write a book about a very male syndrome, I don't know.
When I read about the Peter Pan Syndrome, I disagreed with the findings. The men I know who are like Peter Pans are not like this at all. Dan Kiley said that men with Peter Pan Syndrome show the following psychological traits:
- their emotions become paralysed or are exaggerated
- they can't just experience joy, they have to be hysterically happy
- they can't just feel angry, it had to be a mad murderous rage
- they can't just be disappointed, it has to be a huge deep dark depression.
Now, the men I know who are like Peter Pans are nothing like that at all. That to me sounds more like old Danny boy is describing sociopaths. And when I looked further into what he said, it made me really think he was giving the wrong name to this syndrome. I actually felt angry he had used Peter Pan incorrectly! When old Dan the Man spoke about how Peter Pan Syndrome sufferers dealt with relationships, this is what he said:
Males diagnosed with this syndrome
- Find it hard to show their love and express their feelings
- Lose touch with their emotions and have no idea what they feel
- Procrastinate and put off making a commitment
- Feel guilty and blame others for everything
- Have difficulty in relaxing and are always tense
- Have no real connection with friends. Believes friends can only be bought
- Easily panics and feels desperately alone in their attempts to belong
- Alcohol or drug abuse is used to get high in order to drown out the existence of daily life challenges
- Have a problem with their mother
- Don't get on with the Dad and probably not even talking to them
- They believe their parents don't love them and never approve of what they do
- Have problems with authority figures
- Tend to be emotionally immature and exhibit silly behavior
- Have a macho attitude that hides their deep inner insecurities in attempts to hide the fear of rejection
- Become extremely jealous and exhibit violent outbursts
- Become easily provoked to fits of rage when a woman asserts any independence
The types of men we were discussing who we thought were like Peter Pan were nothing like that! Peter Pans are loveable which is part of their attraction. The man he is decsribing is just a dickhead!
Wendy Syndrome
Danny boy did interestingly also come up with Wendy Syndrome as he reckoned every Peter Pan needed a Wendy. Now, with this part I do think he hit the nail on the head. A woman with Wendy Syndrome is the responsible person behind every Peter Pan, his mother figure or the woman who 'mothers' him and helps him to deal with all the things in the world he doesn't like. I can see myself as a person who suffers from Wendy Syndrome.
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Peter Pan is a real man
While I think both women and men can be a little Peter-Pannish, it is mostly men. You do get women who wear mini-skirts when they're sixty and try and look young by having plastic surgery and are absolutely obsessed with their looks. They tell you some rapper is their favourite to impress you with how young at heart they are, but in reality they listen to Max Bygraves or Nat King Cole. But, it's mostly the Hollywood types, I reckon. Personally, I've never met a real woman who has had plastic surgery to make them look twenty when they are seventy, however, I have met women who try and act like young teenage girls when they are in the thirty to sixty year old bracket, and it does come across as pathetic and desperate. Oh well, to each his own.
So, back to these men and what we think identifies a man with Peter Pan Syndrome. I have to say, I find these men very likeable and easy to love. However, loving one of these men could make you a little like poor Tinkerbell. No matter what you do, how much you give, how hot you look, like Tinkerbell, Peter Pan will always only look on you as a best friend and will never commit to a full on relationship with you. They are commitmentphobic at heart because committing is something adults do and they don't really want to go that route. Not all Peter Pans display all the symptoms or traits I've listed here. If you are with a man that seems to avoid taking the next step and making that final commitment to you, you could be wasting your time with them. I guess, it depends on what you want out of life. If you are happy to be a Wendy, or a Tinkerbell, then there isn't a problem.
Peter Pans:
- like playing xbox360, Nintendo Wii, Playstation 3 even though they are over thirty
- buy all the gadgets available and collect them as little boys collect Pokemon cards
- have a group of guys they hang out with doing sports, clubs, pubs, etc
- have a woman or women as their best friend(s) and confidante
- are a little obsessed with their looks and try and dress younger than what they are
- listen to 'young' music that doesn't fit with their age
- will drop their partner for younger model
- thinks a flash car makes them look younger
- will lead a woman on and when the woman thinks there is a relationship, will pull back
- is quite competitive amongst other Peter Pans
- often has some kind of an addiction problem
- even if they are in a satisfying relationship, will continue looking and chatting to other women on the internet as this makes them feel young
- might have had an overprotective mother, parents or been the only boy in a family of women
- often react to arguments with immature comments or behaviour
- don't like taking responsibility for anything. Nothing is their fault.
- don't like having serious discussions, especially about the future, as they live for the here and now.
- can't understand why you want to stop having fun and behave in a more adult fashion.
- make great dads as they are on the same level as their kids
- turn all conversations to them. They are very 'me' or 'look at me' type people
- are great to hang out with as a friend
- love the TV remote more than they love you
- change their women faster than you change your underwear
- change their interests faster than they change their women, following every new fad that comes along.
- freak out when they spot a grey hair on their head or if they start to go bald
- need constant reassurance about how good or young they look for their age
Peter Pan is a real man, not a fictional character. He is a man who doesn't want to grow up and might still try some of his behaviours his mom told him were cute when he was little, to try and get out of trouble. Some women aid and abet this behaviour by 'mothering' Peter Pan. These are the Wendys. Some women do all kinds of things to try and make Peter Pan commit to them, but he never will. These are the Tinkerbells. He prefers to hang out with his mates, the 'Lost Boys' and run to Wendy when he needs help. For him, Tinkerbell is just a 'gadget', a 'plaything.' Is your man, a real Peter Pan?
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lol Toady, I think most of us have Peter Pan moments and that is okay. But as you said, you have to know your reality and some people just don't get that they are getting older and some of the things they try to do to stop the aging process are sometimes quite pathetic and makes them look foolish and become a laughing stock. I've been involved with a man who thought that if he kept getting a younger woman on the side, would keep him young. His son was more mature than him!
With such a huge list, everyone would qualify on some of the things some of the times. I like the sound of that "changing women" though. How does one go about doing that?
Nope. He's not suffering from Peter Pan syndrome, but if you could help me figure out what his is called, I'd be eternally grateful.
Hey Christoph, yep we all have some Peter Pan in us on the odd occasion, I guess it's if you have many of the traits on that list all the time. Just had an idea. I think we can make some money. How about we open up a partner library in each major centre. When you tire of the old, you just go to the library and take out a new one like you do a book? Or, is that what one of those introduction places is all about?
LM, maybe his is more Spoilt Brat Syndrome or he has a temporary dose of fullofshitalitis.
Or perhaps a combination of them both. Is that 'Spoiltshitalits Syndrome'?
lol LM, you have just given me an idea. Watch this space hahahaha
If you need a model for your subject, I'll send him right over.
Cindy did you just describe all men there? :P
(The 'after' pic of Darryl Hannah is scary!!)
There is something of the Peter or Wendy in all of us, but the sad thing with Peter Pan men is when they get past 40 and nobody wants to play with them anymore.
Cindy: The ideal is to accept that one is growing older, but be a kid at heart, this gives one emotional health, methinks. Folks that are too serious or at the other end, very afraid of getting older are the one's that end up doing crazy things such as wearing a mini skirt at age 80 and thinking they look chic. :)
I agree with Feline Phrophet Darryl Hannah's after pic is kinda scary, she is a good reminder that its best to age naturally.
LM, just used my imagination and did a whole hub on Fullashitalitis!
FP and Violet, I was horrified when I saw that pic of Daryl!
Litany, you are right, after 40 people don't want to put up with the little childish games!
I hate that pic of Daryl! Hey, I still have lots of kids and a few adults that come to my backyard for fun. I have many playmates to have games with, from 6 to 70. I just put up two geat rope swings high from two trees with my fishing rod as we were fishing for birds. Today my best bud is coming over to play with me and my chainsaw and chipper and we will have a wiener roast with marshmallows too. But I ain't no Peter Pan!
Of course you're not a Peter Pan, CC! You're just a lovely guy who knows how to have fun with people of all ages. Now, if you were still single, could not sustain a relationship and were running after the kids in your garden, I'd be worried!
hahaha, I'd be worried too!
I loved your descriptions - unfortunately, at one time or another, it has described every male I have ever come in contact with. I'm doomed! (tick tock tick tock) !!!!
cc, YOU'RE ONE OF THE GOOD UN'S oops this capslock is pissing me off!
Nanny, we definitely all have these tendencies, but we are able to commit and take responsibility for our actions. Peter Pans can't. Did you manage to get your other drama sorted out girl? The one you wrote that hub on.
Might be hubby sometimes :) Good job I am a bit of a Wendy. Fun read
I am definitely a bit of a Wendy, Ethel, struggle to keep my mothering under wraps.
Nice one Cindy, in more ways than one!! LOL!!! Now I'm gonna be singing "I don't wanna grow up..I don't wanna wear a tie.." All freakin' day! You do get "wendyish", but we loves ya fer it!
Great hub!! I am still trying to figure out what my husband's affliction is.
Thanks for loving me even though I'm Wendyish, Candie?
TM, is your husband one of the Lost Boys?
Oh,dear, sounds really famil-ier! Can't say much more, he might be looking over my Wendyish-a-little bit-only-shoulder! Cute, and Thanks for the hub!
Frogyfish, maybe many men try really hard to disguise their Peter Pan leanings lol
It's so sad when you see a man over 40 still wearing green tights!
Yes MM. especially when their testicles have dropped and are all saggy.
hope ya dont mind me poppin in ,but saw MM post in the forum ,so sent tk a cyber smack on the head and left..shhh...this is definately more fun!! ,trust me to land under testicles, oh dear
Gosh MM/Cindy.. that was just a not so pretty picture!! Are there exercises men can do to help this?
Kiwi, I apologise that instead of sitting under a kauri tree you are sitting under MM's man's drooping testicles.
Candie, I'm not sure if there are exercises. Maybe they can get a ball lift the same way that women get a boob lift.
Most of these syndromes are so true with the guys I use to work with. Thought Peter Pan was kinda gay in a way, but now everythings clear up.
I think the idea of a "nip and tuck" would scare most men to death!!
Peter Pan is not gay, May, just a commitmentphobe!
Candie, yeah, anything sharp going near their little goolies might scare them.
Thanks for sharing this information. Great hub!
Thanks for stopping by and commenting, Ann
Loved it Cindy!!! Sorry it took so long to read...I was off HP over the weekend and am barely getting to reading the hubs....
Hey JJ, saw you had disappeared! Hope you had a great weekend!
xD another great hub! Peter Pan syndrome! I am a gamer and I just burst out laughing when I read your first sentence on the 'Peter Pans' list! To my surprise, there are a lot of awesome gamers over 30. Many of them on the X360 work for Microsoft. I envy their gamer scores...other than that, thanks for the Lolz!!!
Yeah, some men will rather play games than go shopping with their wives, AIDY! The games for men over 30 are a curse!
Well Cindy thanks for this hub you have managed to make me feel old for the first time in my life. I don't need to sew my shadow back on,I need to hang on to my soul! LOL excellent hub. I know a few Peter's and Wendy's. I do like the Wendy's they are great for your ego (in the short term).
You'd like me then Sixty, as I am a bit of a Wendy!
Cindy youre 99 yippeee...lets party when ya knock that counter over to 100 !!...
btw...yikes I moved from the sagging balls tree to a lovely juicy peach tree , much nicer to write under lol ...wondering something now , why do guys assume every pretty girl is looking at them? .....last week we were takin a bus downtown ,and a couple of college girls were standing on the corner waving , mere male looks chuffed and waves back right....lmao...they were trying to wave the bus down .....too funny...p.s HB should hand out medals or doughnuts when ya hit a 100,least at school we gotta free pencil or eraser....hehe
Lol Eagle, but I despair of getting the elusive 100 as I was 99 the whole weekend then dropped to 96. Yeah, men always think it's about them, eh?
Lol this is so true Cindy omg look at Daryl, what the hell has she done to herself
Daryl does look a little scary, Blonde, would hate to met up with her in a dark alley!
Great Hub cindyvine!Love the peter pan analogy.
I knew a 'peter pan' once who prefered tinkerbell to wendy:)
Thanks for commenting Miss match! Yeah, I'm a Wendy so I always luck out with the Peter Pans!
Guys with that issue are so ridiculous. That's where the girlfriend who is "mothering" swoops in. Perfect creepy couple.
They may be ridiculous, Bredavies, but they are definitely out there and do exist!
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goldentoad says:
5 months ago
I have my peter pan moments but thats all they are. you have to think you're young still sometimes but you definitely have to know your reality.... and the kids have worn me out too much to party past dawn anymore.