The biblical god is a psychopath.
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hate and vengeance as religion
The biblical account of god as written by humans is undeniably promoting a truly horrible psychopathic entity.
Hate and vengeance.
I know this hub will alienate all the god fearing intellectually stuck of the world and I do not give a rats arse. Don't like it? GO AWAY.Why read this hub?, you have never read anything else you didn't already agree with.
If you had you would be up to speed like the rest of us.
I will not defend an invisible man made omnipresent entity who, although apparently having all the science and potency to stop human suffering is, according to the bible a war mongering loony who should be put away for a long time for the crimes committed against humanity and the provocation to violence he/she/it promotes. Just another brother of Zeus or Allah etc etc.
Any wonder mankind is so screwed. Being polite about the horrors depicted in the "good" book is not my idea of being "tolerant of others beliefs." I will not defend Hitler or any other despot either.
Many humans want to have the devil in the corner rather than confront that we are all potentially as bad in thought as each other, it is the behavior choices we make that separate the good from the bad.
To get a handle on living a good life we do not need to believe in cocky poo ideas designed to ease the guilt felt by being human and feeling imperfect.
It is bloody hilarious to think of all the anal retentive weak kneed flat world Taliban setting themselves up as moral policemen. These gutless wonders and cowardly murderers and worse are just following their understanding of the Koran. They then impose their madness and psychological damage on others.They believe a lot of old flat world bunk. This is ignorance by choice as all religion is, as religion wants to be worshiped. Their religious agenda is evangelistic, in other words they will use it to rule in Afghanistan and finally rule the world.
Familiar?
reminds me of South Park , or Pinky and the brain
I have less than no time for those who are ignorant by choice, and no interest in being polite about it, as in any other scenario involving a psychopath who allowed little children to be harmed I would get praise not flack.
I have no reluctance in saying what I hold to be a self evident truth about the bible. Yes I have read it cover to cover (twice) and with a bible study in Hebrew and Greek.
There is no need for me to prove or disprove god's existence. Just read the book. Fight over your god without taking this planet down in doing so should not be too much to ask.
How anyone can believe such hogwash is in my view a fair question to ask and psychotherapy may be an answer to all the self aggrandizement (thinly disguised as belief) that is a part of the world religion politic that should just go away with education. The trouble is that "believers" don't investigate or read anything that may upset their mindset and thereby beliefs, so I realize that will not happen.
I read the bible. This line is for all those who want me to read their version of the bible. If you want to argue bring something to the table or I will just ignore it. Read the Hedonistic imperative lately? Or anything about the age of our planet? Or a religious history of the world? Or the writings of Carl Jung?
Carl Jung speaks of the religiosity of soul and in this sense I am as religious as the next man. I believe in soul. I also believe in spirit and faith. I just don't feel the need to tie them to some bi-polar man made vengeful god, which is really just a reflection of the human condition.
No doubt if this hub even gets read some soul savers will be praying that I get well soon!
Up Yours doogooders!
I have no intention of getting in to biblical discussions here, as the bible like the Koran allows enough scope to make whatever you want from it's "teachings".
The politic of religion is that even killing non believers is ok. The right to any other opinion is denied or called the work of the devil or insert your pet evil entity here..
Take America as an example. You can disagree with religion, just don't expect to get elected to public office or get a job, or be left to live your life without some bible bashing loony appearing on your doorstep to invade your private life and "save" you. In some places in the USA it could get you murdered to blaspheme against their god.
the definition of blasphemy is free speech to these fanatics.
Fundamentalists are just as scary in the states as they are in Iraq or Iran. Bush has authorised the murder of thousands of people in the name of his god. Different god same invocation.
Pailin got the vote of the intellectually impaired and just plain dumb-arsed religious right with her fundamentalist beliefs. I have personally spoken to grass smarter than that nasty bitch. God gives some very stupid people a very high self worth... sort of.
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A god by any name
Allah evidently thinks murder is OK too.
No? Read the bloody book.
How can anyone believe in such a dangerously ignorant and vengeful entity?
Fear of god or Allah. Fear of dying, fear of self, fear of others, fear of the future, fear of knowing, fear of poverty. All this and hate is all through the quran and the bible as the word of their god.
I am afraid too. Afraid of fundamentalist of any persuasion. Christians, Jews, Muslims or any other religious lunatics.
Why do you think those of us who think it is all hogwash hardly ever speak up?
The "soft" religious will be too polite to make any comment that may offend me.
Screw them. The fanatic evangelists of all religions will want me dead because I have a different view to theirs. Screw them as well.
I was bought up in a religious household and became a christian in 1967
I was a young man at the time. I had to work with an evangelistic baptist who thought that because I gave to charity and lived a pretty clean life that I needed religion. He turned out to be a liar and a thief.
Like many who hide behind religion he could justify everything he did, no matter how obviously crooked it was. His local minister of religion and he decided to skim about one million dollars out of a retirement village they were building with the parish's money for the glory of god.
Then like several of Americas super rich Tele-evangelists, he stated the bloomin obvious. I have done wrong, I have sinned, but somehow their god forgives them their sins, and unlike the rest of us are confident that they will come to little harm from the judiciary in a country that singles out the rich for special treatment and boy are those guys rich.
This same guy, as a justice of the peace handed down draconian sentences to those who did not fall in to line with his beliefs. You could get away with murder also, you would just have to cry out "I have sinned" in his court and all would be forgiven and the law of the land forgotten.
I know there are as many crooks that are not religious, but there is something really sick about "the devil made me do it." That makes me mad.
I screw up as much as anyone but at least I know the problem is mine and mine to deal with.
Denying that we are evil because god guides our lives is as non-sensical as the rest of it.
Why little children who are hurt, killed or damaged before they even get to have a life is never explained as gods work. Religion relies on stupid answers to any questioning of this non appearance of their god to protect the innocent or intervene on behalf of little precious ones.
I hate violence, and abhor the gutless way we deal with it in day to day life.
The crimes committed against innocent children while under the all seeing eye of an all seeing god makes me very angry with the ignorant by choice people who perpetrate this nonsense, and is one of many reasons for my obvious disbelief in religious piety.
How many women have died because of the Pope's belief that women have no right to abortion under any circumstances. The thought of terminating a pregnancy and thereby killing an unborn child is just as horrific to those who are pro-life as it is those who are anti abortion.
It is just that when that choice is made to protect the life of the woman and perhaps her six other kids, the choices get tough, and it is up to experts to help, not some ignorant religious appointee with no knowledge of the circumstances and often little knowledge about anything else either.
In case I have not been clear, take your tiny little god and stick him where the sun don't shine, and don't give me any baloney about me being intolerant.
Someone should be intolerant about this. It is a disgrace to think that with all the information available we still have this antiquated crud being rammed down our throats, so this hub is my way of saying, enough already.
I will no doubt hear from the usual self appointed experts arguing for this neurotic clap- trap. Bring it on!
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Portrait of a psychotic god from the bible.
Would you follow this psychopathic god?
Malachi 4
The Great Day of the Lord
4*See, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2But for you who revere my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember the teaching of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.
5 Lo, I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes. 6He will turn the hearts of parents to their children and the hearts of children to their parents, so that I will not come and strike the land with a curse.*
I rest my case.
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Hey there i really admire you for making this hub, a brave step :-)
I have always been intregued as to why religious people are afforded such special treatment, why their beliefs are respected so reverently, and no one dare even think of questioning them!
As an atheist i believe that human beings should be capable of moral and ethical behaviour irrespective of wether there is a god or not. We should not follow the commandments of the bible simply because we desire a golden ticket into heaven, we should do good because we are good people, and because we care for other people. I think anyone who acts morally simply out of fear of going to hell in the afterlife is not truely acting morally, because they are not acting out of their own free will.
Thank you very much riotgrrl
You are on the right track so to speak. Growing to our full potential is having a full life. I learn a lot from my grandchildren.
I have two granddaughters who are three, one eleven and the other sixteen. One of the three year olds always beats me up in discussions, and has a great career as a politician or public speaker!
She has discovered she can get me to do almost anything for her. If I don't do as requested by her just demanding it, I must sit down, usually she asks me to sit on the floor, and listen to her arguments as to why I should do as she says.You'll notice I said I will do almost anything for her.
Some her requests have been outrageously presumptive in light of her knowledge and usually as funny as hell!
"I want juice now grandpa" (waiving a cup}Of course she can get her own juice, has been able to for over a year and she already has the cup.Anyway SuperSpiderman is home, and he can get you anything from a movie camera to a drum set in a minute flat. At four my grandson is a master of getting stuff. Really she wants an argument or discussion and she just takes it straight on! I do enjoy seeing her constructing her sentences, and using her feminine side to influence the audience. Head tossing and other nuances have all been learnt and are honed daily.
She reminds me of a young Bette Davis.
The other twin is somewhat etherial, equally funny and can see things that I wish I could see.She focusses on the eyeball and sort of hypnotizes grandparents or any other likely prey.
They are both so beautiful and unspoilt by life.
My grandsons are also very different people, both creative in their own ways and wonderful boys.I am about to hit the park with some of them.
Every person who reads your hubs can see all this in their children too. We all love to nurture young life.
I tell my children they have done a good job as parents in allowing each child to grow in their own way to become who they are and realize their full potential.
You are part of the generation who will bring some very good changes to the world. As my sixteen year old grandaughter is, you are communicative and savvy in general.
Like you her self worth is pretty intact and she has a good outlook on life.
My adopted nineteen year old son is yet to be in a serious relationship so no more rug-rats on the horizon for the moment!
Stay with us here on hubpages as your internet marketing takes away more of your time.
I predict a very bright future online for someone like you. I hope you find the best way forward if you have not already.
Enjoyed that one - like you, I have faith, and believe in a soul, but have no urge to live to the letter of the Bible. Technically, I am Greek Orthodox, but they were caught stealing millions of Euros worth of tax payers money in a land-deal scandal.
That sums up why I cannot be arsed with church, and do not believe in sin - I much prefer to go and sit on the mountain. No fear here!
Cheers for the read and for the chuckles.
Thanks sufidreamer. The mountain sitting is a great way to enjoy your love of all things spiritual, and food for the soul as well.
Great hub, Earnest! You said what many people think about bible-thumpers. A scary bunch of people! As long as they leave me alone, I stay clear of them too. Perfect example of "A mind is like a parachute - must be open to work". Church VIPs and tele-evangelists count on them not to think for themselves. Sad...
Thank you JamaGenee!
I believe that bible-thumpers as you call them are a loony bunch who should be confined to their own flat planet!
Thumbs up e! You made very valid points. I quit church and formal religion many years ago for these things. you misspelled bologna. :-)
Applause! It's JUST A BOOK. Faith has to come from a deeper place. You could say the Bible is like a mustard seed. (Didn't some else say something like that?) It has to sprout, you're not supposed to go around using it as some kinda weapon! LOL!
I was raised Catholic, and I always used to wonder, "Why is God such a jerk?" But it's not God, it's the bad sales job.!
Thank you C.C.Riter. I was raised catholic but thought the whole process ludicrous!
pgrundy, thank you. The bible and the Koran are the most sexist books I know of too. I would have thought it difficult to sell a piss ant psychotic god in either case.As I am fond of telling god-botherers."Your god could walk under my carpet wearing a high hat and not make a bump!" If people must have religion at least they should bring their knowledge up to this century and their god up to date.
I have to say, the dozy bastards give me the shits. It is time they read Carl Gustav Jung and the many others who recognized that we all have religiosity as a part of the human condition, and you know what I think about that. To quote myself. "The human condition is no condition to be in. "
I know. It's not funny sometimes. I just got an email from some whack-a-doo here who thinks I'm the Devil incarnate for saying that some of the Christians here at HP are kind of 'intellectual terrorists.' She said she reported me to Homeland Security. Well, at least they have health care there. :o)
Seriously, that level of hatred is scary. Sometimes I think people are attracted to religion because they are mentally ill. But then, I know nice people who are religious too--like Sufi.
I enjoyed this hub, thanks! I grew up in Belfast, where organized religion was cause for terrorist operation and para-military reaction. It was easy to turn away from such hate-mongering. Goodness, tolerance, and compassion don't need any labels or herd mentality -- ya either have integrity and spiritual awareness, or ya don't.
This is an interesting hub. I have to say, most people who rant about the Bible haven't actually read it and are just ranting. You've actually read it twice. I've read it twice myself :) though have come to different conclusions. I know this isn't the place to have a Theological dialog, so I'll just say let's be happy to agree to disagree :)
PGrundy Homeland security eh? I will join you for the health care. The fact that I am Australian probably would not matter! I agree there are many religious people who are wonderful and caring like Sufi, but they are never zealots.
Teresa McGurk, I cannot even imagine the horror of Belfast in those days. You obviously survived integrity intact.
Benjimester. I am happy with that. I have been through the "born again" experience and spent two full years studying the bible. I have a dear friend who is very religious and we do have the odd discussion about religion or my lack of it! Fortunately he is, like you tolerant. I am not tolerant of religion, but that does not mean I do not like individuals who I see as living and giving.
Life is about living and giving. That's a good way of putting it. By the way, I saw something that I can't resist mentioning. Google adwords is often comically ironic. For some reason, it's seen fit to post an add on this hub for Free Bible CD's. Haha, doesn't exactly fit the bill.
If there was one religion, agreeing on the same God and that religion didn't believe in killing. Sort of like following "Thou Shalt Not Kill", then the majority of deaths in the world today would stop.
Of course, the reality today is that people are dying because of a difference in their belief of God and that the other person's God is not God.
The Muslim's for example have two major factions following Mohamed but they have a deadly difference on whom Mohamed designated to take over when he died. I can't comprehend a Muslim religion divided over something is simple is that.Especially, when a single word from God could result in a single flock around the world. The Catholics and the Protestants apparently agree on the same God, but they differ on what earthly organization should be in charge of the sheep.
Benjimester, I did notice the ads. I had to laugh at the absurdity of computer driven thinking. Computers sure are dumb.
issues veritas. I can't get over how stupid people are. Logic has no place in the life of a zealot.The good old "my gods better than your god" game is the thinking of most of them.
Lovely hub Earnest,
Like you, I've read the Bible, and it makes me seethe when I read some of the selective verses people use to back up their dodgy arguments. The whole book is full of contradictions. I like the idea of Christianity. Love-thy-neighbour, be a Good Samaritan, use your Talents wisely etc. etc. The ten commandments are fairly sound on the whole. It's just all the other stuff that comes with it that wears me down. If God is love and light, peace and harmony, and sharing what we have with others less fortunate, then that's fine by me. If, on the other hand, Christianity is an exclusive club, with an improbably long list of rules most of which appear to be man-made rather than divinely created, then perhaps I'd like to re-consider my vote!
Like you, Love the talk, hate the walk!
earnesthub, I guess you would call me a soft christian however I do respect what you are saying as I cannot be judgemental and I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions, pushing what I believe is not the right thing to do, but listening to others feelings and thoughts sometimes makes us open our eyes to a different insight on things. I don't believe God was man-made , but I do know that I appreciate that you took the time to express your thoughts on this matter and I took the time to read it and appreciate where you are coming from.:)
AEvans, thank you for your kind words. According to the bible I am still a Christian myself!
I would suggest a bit of judgmental thinking is ok. I have a strong view about the 300 or more formal religions who own the truth. I do not mind if people idolize an invisible friend, but I do mind when they insist that I believe the same as they do.
I do not agree with Christianity or any other religion but you and I can disagree about this because our opinions are not personal attack. We may agree completely about many other things in life and from reading your hubs I think that is a likely truth.
You are so welcome and I respect your beliefs and you are correct as we agree on many other things in life and that definitely is the truth. I on occassion have been on the religious forums however there is so much fighting going on so it is always hard for me to comment, as I always ask myself WWJD? He wouldn't be arguing, screaming or pushing so I often stay quiet. Yes you are still a Christian and always will be so don't ever let anyone try to take that from you, and it is good to understand other religions and beliefs I enjoy studying them myself. :)
Love the HUB! I too believe in the soul, which is why I cannot believe in the evil gods of human religion.
Thank you TTT You are spot on!
The biblical God is nothing like the God of the church. He is q very real being, a member of a very real race of beings known as holy ones in the book of Daniel, & elders in Revelation 4. Elohim is wrongly translated as God. It's the actual name of a race of beings & the Hebrew translation is actually a description of these very real beings. Daniel refers to their leader as "the ancient of days" denoting His elderly appearance & long white hair & beard. Whether you want to admit He exists or not, or that Satan exists; first you are going to face the very real army of Satan very soon; & then 7 years later if you are still around, you will face the very real army of Jesus of Nazareth.
Was there a God before the one in the Bible?
Lets hope that numbers count; Angels 2 Devils 1.
That is if you believe that Satan took 1/3 of the Angels with him, when he left God.
I think that we lost the battle, when Cain killed Abel. If that story was real?
? Did we rely on translations, story tellers and others to reconstruct our Constitution? Could be a bad example, because even with the Constitution being written by the founders over 200 years ago, we still aren't sure what they meant just by reading the document.
Bullshit! Heard and saw all this crap before. I was not impressed then and certainly am not now.
Take your pint sized god and shove him!
earnest
I am disappointed about your comment.
Sincere apologies issues veritas I am sorry I got it wrong
The comment you made above is not the one I intended to respond to.
I don't know where the other comment is, but feel it was not from you.
earnest I had trouble matching it to any comment. No prob.
Apologies again issues veritas two people commented at the same time, I did not agree with the other persons comment, and in my usual way said so pretty directly. I am sorry you copped it full on by mistake. Be assured I that where we disagree I know you are well mannered and refined and I will do my utmost to do the same, although it is not my nature! Thank you for your understanding, and for your tolerance.
CC Riter I could not find the reference to bologna, I guess I will have to read it more carefully, thank you.
Wow! earnestshub This was beautiful. It was written so clearly and purposefully. I am not sure, but I think it is the fear of not being accepted by family members, friends, and society in general that some people turn off their brains and call themselves, Christian, or whatever religion they feel is popular. Thank you for the great hub.
Whikat, thank you for the positive comment! I think you have a pretty good sense of the problem. The fear of not belonging is a major driver of human socializing anyway, and the derision from family and other peers probably tips the scales for many.
You will go to hell unless you stop writing such nonsense. Only Jesus died for all our sins and accepting Him you will go to Heaven.
Thanks for the heads up True Believer.
There is almost nothing in the bible that I believe to be true. The same with the Koran and the other religious books I have read. Once I searched for an answer before I discovered that there is no answer because there is no question. To run around wasting one's life looking for an answer to what ior who s god is like worshipping the great pumpkin of Charlie Brown. Nice idea for a myth, bad idea for a life's quest.
Spot on Ivan. It was funny in Charlie Brown, it's pathetic in the real world.These days we know what is happening in other lands, so less opportunity to create those fables of a "promised land" too.
So what are you telling me. The Great Pumpkin is a myth.
That is sacriligious and may you go to the Great Compost Heap in the sky. Both of you . You hear me. Don't say you haven't been warned.
blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!
Well at least we will be able to grow pumpkins there!
I always knew I was full of manure! Ha-ha!
So it is you, Ivan the Terrible who makes the world revolve?
It seems strange that religion, which should reconcile God and man and man to man, too often sets man at odds to his fellow man. Although I am a Christian, I find myself disconcerted at the depiction of the angry God of the Old Testament vs. the God of love portrayed in the New Testament. That schism has always been difficult for me to reconcile. Of course, I prefer the God of love of the New Testament, but I do not choose to ignore the significance of the numerous evidences of God's anger and wrath, even against his own people. I have to admit, I fear this God.
Excellent hub with which I agree, although I do believe in God but not a Biblical or other patriachal religion bullying, threatening warmongering one!
Thank you Bard of Ely, I follow a different path to some and do not believe in god so I have a problem with the pathetic monster of the quoran as well as the bible! A concept of the might of our own universe may include a "god" in my thinking too, but an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god is written in these tombs, err tomes more as a vengeful nasty piece of work in urgent need of some post Jungian therapy.
I've never been able to understand why Christians kept the Old Testament as part of their Holy book, instead of using just the New Testament. After all the Old Testament is the Jewish Holy book. There would be far less trouble with contradictions, including the whole vengeful God idea, if the Old Testament wasn't part of the Bible.
I am one of the Bible thumping, narrow-minded people that believe in the literary impossibility that is Scripture. But I hate religion. All the stuff that sticks in your craw, sticks in mine. All of the irony that causes all of the suffering and death. What I read (and I read the Bible through every 4 months) is that I am to love even when I'm hated. I'm to reason with folks if they are willing and to leave them alone when they are not. I have no need to defend myself or my beliefs because time will tell who is right and each man must decide for himself right from wrong, truth from myth. I respect you being so honest and love you even if you can't love me.
Thank you for your wonderful comment no body. The people I love are those who can do the same.
Uncommonly you offer no religious threats and I welcome your input. I have many friends and family with various beliefs who behave as you do. We love each other, and agree to disagree about beliefs. I also understand if scripture has great meaning to you. I find myself in agreement with your comment, except for the bit that says I can't love you. I am angry with religion in general as you are, and have never understood why the psychotic bits of the bible are used by religions to scare the dailights out of children!For me, a grandfather of six, it is all about the children. Nothing allows me to believe in anything that hurts them. They are the future.
A preacher once told my dad that he was poor because he didn't attend church.
My dad replied,"I can kick your ass all the way back to that church!"
The preacher left immediately. Dad believed in God....religion only annoyed him.
You had me when you mentioned Carl Jung. I love his theories, I love reading him regardless,
dori
Thanks Tom. Your dad has every right to reply in that way. What an outrageous statement from this preacher! Religion can be more than annoying, it results in closed thinking.
Hi dori, thanks for the comment. I have read everything I have been able to find about Carl Gustav. I still have most of what he has written and have read some post jungians like Hillman, Peter O'Connor, Marie Louise Von Franz and others. As complex as the human being is in total the explanations of psychology at least make sense regardless of their complexity.
There is no good to come from threatening. Being a "card carrying" Christian is no easy thing because there is always someone begging for his butt to be kicked but I just take a deep breath and realize that it takes many kinds of folks to make a world and my job is to be bigger than any problem they have. Thank you for your new friendship and may you have so much success in everything you do.
Thank you no body i wish the very best for you too.
Great hub - if something is so fragil it can't be challenged its not worth my time of day - never mind unthinking loyalty! If God wanted that why did he give us brains LMAO! And how many wars have been started by Atheists: we have the Christian thing in Ireland, the god fearing Americans in Iraq, the God bothering conquistadores, the god fearing crusades. Now the atheists - which war did they start again -in the name non belief?
Well said Lissie!
Hey friend, brother in arms. Loved the hub, loved your honesty and passion. Those that think for themselves will inherit all things, that's if the other idiots don't stuff it up completely.
Religion is a crutch.
A result of genius marketing.
Faith and spirituality are very different things.
I concur with all you say, support you wholeheartedly.
However, do not ever badmouth Santa, or I'll come after you!!
Cheers!
Not to mention the Easter Bunny !
I will not hear a word against Santa, or the Easter Bunny either!
I agree whole heartedly.It is really ironic that religon is the root of almost all of todays evils.Especially organized religon it is a crooked triangle organized to control its masses.But how can you really blame those followers,when you are raised from birth to believe in something it is hard to really see the truth.
I guess we can't blame the followers, but maybe they can be educated? Thanks for your comment, it is thoughtful and fair.
People fear religious people, and are as much trying to do away with Christ and religion as it was when Christ was on this earth. People fear the power in, and of Jesus. They feel it easier to rid the nusianse of good, vs. evil....it does away with thier convicted hearts. Gosh, why are Christians so outspoken they say, while everything else on this earth is permissable??!! God help us, who are Christians, like myself, to use every venue, as I am...youtube,myspace, hubber...what ever to boldly proclaim Jesus, and who I am ...in Him. A believer, who is none the less blessed and proud of who I am, than the homosexual, who wants to be allowed, and is being welcomed w/ open arms in todays society to boldly come out of their closets...while Christians, are trying to be shoved in closets. Oh quit preaching at us, people say...while all the while they preach their godless society, day and night...tv is over run with god less ness. God help us who can, to be bold as Daniel in a babylonian society, of today!! And boldly proclaim, Jesus is alive and well...and I love him. He is a good God, a God who I will share, as long as I have breath to do so. As a Communications major, and Biblical AA degree minor, I know, I've studied the Word of God, and that since being a child. I will boldly proclaim, that which I know, as long as the other side, can defend god less ness....I can shine....who lives in me!! Blessings on the journey, as we travel to the other side. Jesus is Lord!! :)
No Ricky people do not fear your god, you do.
We fear people like you with certainty in their belief that ram it down our throats because you don't really believe it yourselves either.
No fear here, only Faith. And I don't really see, how just posting, a statement, is "ramming" something, any more than you can post freely. Why can I not answer freely? I just enjoy Christ so much and am so blessed by Him, I'd shout him from the house tops. Sort of like when I met my wonderful husband and life mate....I'd tell everyone I'd meet about him...how great he is, how handsome etc...and on and on...and so I am w/ Jesus in my life. When something or someone...changes your life....you can't help but share that, and that my friend, is exhuberance, not jamming. sorry. we all have freedoms, even we Christians. Blessings anyways. :) rickyracer.
Because you have a belief does not mean it is shared by others and the assumption that you hold the only truth is an insult to non-believers who have read the same books and arrived at different conclusions. Most Christian comments are damning of others beliefs..
Most would be the key word. To the comment you are making, not all. I do not condemn or damn, anyone, like I said, I am simply posting, or making, a statement, just like anyone else has the freedom to do so. Why are all Christians, lumped in to one bag of "goodies" any more than all "sinners" are lumped together? Well they say this, or that. Or you...are being condemning ...meanwhile all that I did was answer a post with the zeal that consumes me. Penn, from Penn and Teller, is a professing Atheist, and yet, he states, that if people can't be true, or all out at what they are, Christian or other wise, than they are really no good, and useless to that cause, what ever it is. I mean, if I'm a silent Christian, what good am I? I am a professing, Christian. Penn said, he don't see why, people are "attacked" for just stating...who..it is they are. I don't either. Even though he is an atheist, and I wrote him and told him this, on you tube. I agree with him, on this. Why are Christians attacked, verbally, for being such. I've not been attacking in my answers, only explained my zeal. To which, I'm lumped in a category, perhaps. w/ some, who've mis used their zeal. Is that not possible, in either realm....that there are those who get, "carried away" with it all? Anyway, I am a "professing" Christian, and love to openly declare it. I don't shove it down anyones throat, no more than you could say, that when I first met my husband, I was shoving it down someones throat to say, hey, this is my hubby, to me, he's the greatest, handsomeest...guy I know, or have ever met!! I was consumed by him, as I am by my Lord!! blessings, hope you'd understand, maybe you should read some Penn...on you tube. Maybe you'll understand, that all I do, is post my love, and to me, if you can't state out loud who you are and what you're about, then you are ashamed of it. And I for one, am not. again, blessings. :)
Thanks for the reply, it is really warming to know you feel that way about your husband, and I wish you a happy life together. I am familiar with Penn thank you. I am glad you do not ram your beliefs down other throats.(I will re-read to be sure!) My experience on the religious forums is that many of the questions are loaded, and assume everyone has to speak only within the constraints of and assuming belief in their particular religion or entity. The questions asked are often of the "are you still beating your wife" or "when will you stop beating your wife" type.
Other forums continue to have religious people intervening with god threats when they do not agree.There is a big difference between commenting and introducing yards of bible or koran quotes that are lifted off the net and pasted in to the conversation as if that is the final word on the matter.
Comments are often threats of hellfire and all the usual rubbish. if you read my hubs or comments you will see that I do not hold with religion, I do not single out Christians for any special attention.I do attack those who would deny human rights to minority groups because "The bible said" or "The koran said. When you read the koran or the bible you can find references that allow that all homosexuals should be killed, tortured or caste out. I am heterosexual, but I am not homophobic and will attack those who are pumping out this hateful crap.
I do not like being told that I am somehow immoral because I am not a Muslim or Christian. If you are not part of the loony who believe in running others lives, you will not see me replying negatively I hope.
Others like me have the right to believe in no god without the threats of hell and other torture from the loony religious. As I said we may have read the same books and come to different conclusions.
And, one more lil jot, in one of your replies to me, you say, "it's because you don't believe either." You said, that you don't get "in to" A christians "space" no more than you'd want them, getting in to ...yours. Well, w/ replies like that, saying what I myself believe, that is sort of judgemental on your part, because you don't even know me, how could you possible know what I believe. So, my suggestion, would be to be careful on your judging "us" as Christians as well. Sometimes, we each, don't even realize it, when we get "in to" each others "spaces". We call the other one "pushy", or invasive, when we ourselves are being just as much that. Just a "helpful" nugget, in a friendly manner, to possibly, see the "us" in a different light, and give the "us" more of a chance. We're "all" not so bad, no more than you " all" aren't. LOL blessings :)
I don't recall directing any of this at you personally, but I will attempt to backtrack and find it if I have.
I have generalised, but not as much as those who lump their belief in to questions and then pretend that they are open to an answer.
because you don't really believe it yourselves either. Was how you'd phrased it, but, I was being lumped in to that category, I'm guessing. Anyway, it is easy to lump it all together, on both sides, and we "all" need to be more careful of that. again, nice chattn and prayerfully, we'll all try, at the least, to hear, each other out, and give each other a chance, and realize, we all, have belief systems, and that's ok. And, that if I state, what my belief system is, unless I'm saying, you need to be this or that...that I am not, shoving that down anyones throat. I'm just excited about, what fills me, and so sharing that. blessings, :) on lifes journey.
let me try to use some simple words to describe GOD. Religion is not God, Believe me you hate them the followers, for the way they brought the God to you, its awaken your ego, because its like accepting the god base on fear, and you hate that. your hateness is acceptable but when you realise they know nothing about God, of course they really dont know nothing neither do i, God is a journing transforming you to another dimension where you exist, where your brain dont have the capability to detect the dimension it is not about 4th dimension i guess, all our senses is relying to the dimension for them to react. your eyes, ears, skin, etc. not your senses moving out, it attracts the elements to it to react, when lights reach your eyes it will be function. hmmmmmmmm and you cant describe by words or action about feelings right, God can be most far or can be the most nearest depends on you.
Thanks for the comment, I do not understand much of what you have written, but I have read your comments on the religious forums, so I have a fair idea of where you are coming from.
thank you, feel free to visit me at http://hubpages.com/profile/chukra+G im not good at words but, try do not hate them as what they doing to you then you will caught up in the same ship with them. wont make differences.
I disagree with virtually everything in your hub, but I sure enjoyed reading it!
OK, you enjoyed it, that's great. I write, you read, it's all good..
I believe in God first off. I believe in what I believe to be His Word and the Testament of His life. I also believe you have the right to your opinion, God gives us free will. I am sorry that you are so angry, I can really feel it when I read your Hub. Probably not healthy! Nothing about God should make any person so angry. I understand that "Religion" has hurt many people and many churches are no longer what they should be. It is a shame. There is crime even within what is supposed to be the house of God! Pastors and Priests are defiling the church. He does not smile on this. He does not want anger and resentment, between His people. It doesn't matter in God's eyes if you wear jeans or a suit! Pants or a dress. Have long or short hair. Enclosed shoes or sandals. War is atrocious. Racism is atrocious. The God I know is a loving God. Everyone is welcome to come to Him. Whether it be in a church, A gathering at home or alone. I am sorry you have become so disolussioned and are as angry as you are. I pray you are not always stressed out and you have some kind of positive stress release.
I am very sorry that you are so angry. I can feel your anger as I read your Hub, it is a shame that anyone is that angry with God. I feel the "church" and as you call it organized religion has given God a bad reputaion! It is unfortunate that the people who are supposed to represent Him are not helping to reach people but are pushing them away. Many church leaders have been removed for various crimes against the "church" which means of coarse against the people, and that is totally sad! Then you have the members who mean well, but harass nonbelievers or believers who don't attend church. You have those who believe you can't wear certain things like shorts in the summer, or pants if your a woman or have long hair if your a man! Teenagers are really getting it! My son went through a Gothic Style phase! Oh boy, that went over well :( He was asked not to return. Not a great way to win souls for God! They certainly do not help! Believe me I am not blind about these things. But God! He hasn't failed me, only man has! If I am blind because I have Faith in someone who helps me through life in all situations, good or bad! Then, I don't mind being blind! If I am blind to believe in healing by God because my heart regnerated when it shouldn't have and I should have had a heart transplant, and my son who was born with a tethered spine ended up not having the surgery that had a high percentage chance of paralizing him because in a weeks time it just disappeared, and I believe he was healed. (The doctor agreed there was no other explanation!) Well, then so be it. I am blind! And that is ok, because like you, I have my beliefs and my opinion. Please try not to be so angry it really is not good for your health. But at least writing is a good outlet. Take Care.
I am sorry you got duplicates! My bad. My computer glitched and I did not know that happened, and on top of that I rewrote my comment because I did not see it come up after the glitch. Pardon the Foux Pa.
Thanks for commenting kebennett1. Not too much stress here! You have given examples from your life, so I will give you an example from mine. i got severe cancer and had little chance of survival. I had surgery 14 years ago which saved my life. my friend prayed for me, and he felt that saved my life. 5 years later he got cancer. He prayed but refused surgery as his god had told him to, then died within weeks. I could go on. I do not feel your fear, and get angry healthily on a regular basis. As I pointed out in my hub, according to the bible I am a Christian, so I have read the bible, then after 2 years of study I still decided it was a crock. Please do not pray for me, I do not force my sub-concious beliefs on you, so please do the same for me.
Do I see a tinge of frustration in the Hub? Scriptures are different and dogma is another thing. While scripture is said to be divine, dogma is the human interpretation of the scripture. I completely agree with you that the dogma being floated around can and is for most part a perversity. Evangelists of all religions tout this to scare people into a line of thinking which is convenient to them, and the gullible fall for it. It thrills them for some reason.
Taliban, Pope and such are doing exactly that in varying degrees. Any way the retribution forms a very minor part of the scripture. Why do we concentrate on that when, a Goldmine of good is also there in the scriptures. I would study that and practice that. “Love thy Neighbor” is definitely more preferable than “An eye for an eye”
Despite what any one says, the choice is ours.
So true. The truth is always just our own, the choice is ours to make.
Hope you are not setting yourself up as some kind of god here yourself, you do seem to be accumalating some followers... peace. Brenda x
Ha ha not bloody likely Brenda!
mind your language there are god fearing people around....
Insults do not make good arguments.
OK, what are you referring to in particular.
Dear Earnest,
You have raised a very debatable issue. I have not read the entire bible (only some) and unable to comment on it.
I belong to Jain religion that believes in "God" who is (are) universal observer and do not interfere with mundane matters. Jain believes that every one in the universe can achieve salvation if they are dedicated to do so with right perception, right knowledge and right virtue. He or she, who attained salvation is a God and every one in the universe has right to be a God.
I rated it up.
Thanks,
Jyoti Kothari
Thank you for the comment Jyoti. I spent many years studying religion to arrive at my conclusions. I do not have a fixed view, but have major doubts that any god would behave in a way that was worse than mankind itself does.
I don't know why you would think I wouldn't like it. yes I believe in God but come on earnest you should know where I stand from some of my comments in the religion forum as well as my UU Hub. You don't believe and I respect you for that. And yea I read the Bible and agree that it is just a book written by man. who really knows if those guys really hung out with Jesus or not. they could be lying or just taking what they want from the teachings. So I don't go by the Bible anymore except that it is an intersting story told by many ppl. :-) Good hub, sir good hub! I applaud you.
I am dazzled Crazdwriter! You young lady are the owner of an open mind! I like that!
Shoot I still believe in mermaids and fairies, I believe in magic and the magical healing powers of polished stones and crystals. So yes I am VERY open minded. :-)
Well something made you believe in them, so unless someone has proof they don't exist you're laughing!
That is the difference between us earnest, I don't need proof to know that they exist. I mean yes I would love to see a fairy for myself but a part of me fears it as well. They are beautiful yet scary creatures. But I believe in them nonetheless. :-)
I don't believe in bible God.
Good for you Peggy!
Bible God fixated way too much on matters below the waist. And he couldn't get enough drownings, and small animal sacrifices.
He sure did a lot of smiting!
I'll state first that we will agree to disagree, although I do respect your 'freedom' to dishonor God and the Bible. I am an absolute believer in God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. Besides the teachings of the Bible, science has been 'trying' to disprove God since...well, forever. One thing science has never been and will never be able to do is create 'something' out of 'nothing' (no thing). In my mind (and many scientist who are turning to Christ and the Bible) this proves, or at least cannot disprove, God. Can YOU create something out of nothing? Now, since you're so brilliant, tell me how we all came to be? Like it or not, I'm praying for you.
Carol Anne it is nice to know we have so much in common!
My twin sister's name is Carol Anne! :)
Prayers do nothing.God does not exist, the bible was written by a bunch of controlling sexist men to further their own needs.The only "evidence" of your myth is from the myth itself, science on the other hand has empirical evidence gained from testing. Your assertion that science supports religion is false. The only ones who do are dead- set religionists.
As for being "so brilliant" I will leave such claims to you!
Hello again! It's wonderful that you have a twin! My husband is a twin. Wow! Two things in common. :-) I hope you are doing well. But my 'myth', as you call it, about science is not a myth at all. I'm asking you again, can you....or anyone you know create 'something' out of 'nothing'? How is that a myth? It's laughable to me because to most people it is common sense. And I did not label you brilliant, sir.....I was referring to your all-knowing rhetoric, since you seem to think you have all the answers. The fact that you have read the Bible means nothing without wisdom and guidance. You obviously do not understand God's Word. It has never been dis-proven. It is a History Book. Even small things in life, such as the direction in writing in every corner of the world all point toward the Holy Land. I could go on and on. Find a Theologian and learn some Truth. Blessings.
If you knew anything about me at all you would not be challenging me on the base of religious knowledge, I have better credentials than most.
Your myth is from one source, itself a myth. The something from nothing argument is not worth replying to. Read some science, or would you like to challenge that to?
TKIMWRSVC says:
11 months ago
Bravo, bravo, bravo