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Justifying the variable values of our ethics

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By Coolbreezing


You do not necessarily must believe in God to have good morals
You do not necessarily must believe in God to have good morals

A reply to my Indian princess Country Woman

My Indian princess ...I'm going to be straight up with you. You do have some valuable points in this hub. Yes in places where prostitution is banned is a result of an ethical issue that corresponds to the ethic code of that particular society. However, if ethic is described as the rule or standards governing the conduct of individuals, than who set these rule of standards?

If individuals set these rule of standards, than by definition rule of standards hold variable values which can be manipulated to comfort individuals.

This logic states that if individuals set rule of standards, than what is ethically right to one group of individuals maybe unethical to another, I agreed. But is there a standard definition for morality? Yes there is because not all morality hold variable values, murder is an immoral act in all society except in cases of self defense.

Yes, it is true that what’s immoral to me maybe morally right to another. It’s the same principle I used to determine that perfection has variable values in the sense that it’s not consistent with all views.

However, I think we shouldn’t place judgment on others who committed an immoral act until we know exactly what that act is. Off -course the judgment we placed on others is a reflection of our moral principles. Although our moral principles may not be consistent with all views, the truth holds, some level of logic makes it valuable to us. Unfortunately, values are set by members of our society who are imperfect beings. Therefore, when we accept those values, we're also accepting their imperfection.

Now, although some murders can be justified doesn’t make it right. Taking someone life if it’s not self defense is always wrong, even in some cases of war. It’s wrong under the humanitarian principle which is understood by us - killing another human being is wrong. Some acts that are considered immoral in some societies are not always true in all situations; it will depend on the value of the person judging it.

For example in cases of infidelity some would dispute that infidelity is wrong under all cases, where others would disagree. Infidelity is often characterized as a cheating husband regardless of the condition set forth by the couples. Those individuals who are outside the relationship sees it as cheating, meanwhile couples set rules in their relationships to balanced out their marriage.

Another example, is a fourteen years old girl in a village of Africa who gets her clitoris chap off because her parents think that would prevents her from having sex early. This condition is obviously morally wrong in our culture but to the Africans in that village the parent haven't done anything wrong. In fact this action is viewed as a respectable act. It is because of these examples that as imperfect beings, we should not use our judgment to justify others who have committed an act that is not consistent to all views. Cultures are universal but there are not always unifiable, and for that, there will always be moral acts that are viewed as perversive to other cultures.

Written by Marcus Oscarsson for Global Post which was published: September 19, 2009 09:09 ET - “The reasons given for female circumcision are traditional, cultural and religious? It is believed to encourage cleanliness, to control promiscuity, enhance the males’ sexual pleasure, preserve virginity and protect against unwanted pregnancies,” said Timnit Embaye of the International Organization for Migration (IOM) in Kenya.

They exist what is described as immoral consistency where the action that is viewed as immoral is consistent with all views. As an example - raping a woman is morally wrong even in cases of war, so it doesn't matter whether it's in India, Iraq or Japan, no one can justified rape if the evidence are there to prove it. This moral construct is what IS described as immoral consistency where the act that is being judge cannot be proven right under no circumstances.

Perhaps my argument is not valid in the sense that someone can ask why they actions should be morally right. But anyone who posed that question would be addressing members of their society who have imposed these moral construct for them to follow. In which case the question "why" would be answered by having the disobedient exposed to some sort of punishment when those moral constructs are disobeyed. A counter argument maybe finds at this link "Kant and Kantians on “the Normative Question”

As far as prostitution in this society is concern, it is a matter of survival to some people. However, those who prostitute themselves, whether it's a man or a woman do it because they need the money to survive. Nonetheless, survival cannot be viewed as the only reason for all prostitutes. Some do see it as a better way to make money. Besides, it pays better than most 9 – 5 jobs that are out there now. This is why Uncle Sam wants his cut. Uncle is not against prostitution because some people see it as an immoral act; Uncle is against it because in the neighborhoods where it is practiced, citizens complain. And secondly, transactions of monies are passing hands and Uncle is not getting his share, that's not right. Uncle is the biggest pimp of all pimps and therefore Uncle is going to come for his cut regardless of the pimp in charge.

If you ever wondered why can prostitution be legal in one state while being illegal in another, wondered no more? It's the same reason why Gay marriage can be legal in one state while being illegal in another. The people that comprised the society of the state where its legal are adapt to a different moral code that gives value to gay marriage than those other societies where Gay marriage is disapproved. If you think about it, its individuals of society who gives value to certain moral construct. This is why I said if individuals set rule of standards, than by definition rule of standards hold variable values which can be manipulated to comfort individuals, evidently if this was not true than gay marriage would be in uniform with all members of society.

However, is it morally wrong for someone to prostitute themselves? In my view not at all, it will all depends on the person will. Would I want that for my daughter, of course not? Is it a double standard? ….nope it's not. To view it as a double standard is to hold the position that all men are created equal.

I disagreed with Thomas Jefferson who borrowed the quote from the Italian Philip Mazzei who state “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,” I believe that we are born with certain rights as human beings, rights which most viewed as humanitarian, but we're not born equal beings. Our parents who raised us, their lack of opportunities, our surroundings, and our environments dictates our future occurrences. If Barack Obama was not brought up by educated parents who were better off than most average parents, there is no way in hell he could have been president of the United State.

Those prostitutes who cater to sex for money were not all that fortunate, some were brought up without caring parents, some never made it to high school, they had no one in their lives to give them directions. Had they have that chance, no one knows what could have become of them? Even people with greater potential need guidance, and since no one is born knowing it all, everybody needs guidance in their lives. Others are educated but choose to prostitute because it brings them more money than a regular job.

Fortunately, we're part of a society who wants to do the right thing. There are organizations out there that want to help those that are in needs, but they can't help all at the same time. And besides, some got so use to it; they have committed themselves to prostitution as if it were the best way to make a few bucks as adult.

This carrier usually prolongs from 17 yrs to 30 the most. It is only when they reach late adulthood that they feel the need to retire and continue they education. By than they have finally realized that they can't go on like that for too long. The body ages and eventual deformed, at this point she is no longer appealing to the eye, her product has lost substantial value.

Although prostitution can be risky, it is the most preferred job for those who like the money. And it is the least preferred job for those who do it as a mean of survival. Those women who hold a regular job during the day and still prostitute at night do it because they see it as the most profitable job at the moment. Prostitution is illegal because in cities where it's practiced members of that society do not give value to that type of moral construct.


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countrywomen  says:
12 months ago

Coobreezing- Glad that you took my suggestion so literally..LOL

Btw I have given a reply to some of the points raised by you and if you want I can copy paste that reply here too. I guess I can link your present hub for further discussion on the same subject in my hub.

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Coolbreezing  says:
12 months ago

That would be fine my Indian princess, we're anxious to see what you have to say. You're a special case because it's not too often you'll fine an Indian person who is as open minded as you're are. And you being from a country that is steadily gaining economic power, makes us Americans eager to see how you rational your values.

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countrywomen  says:
12 months ago

Coolbreezing- Well coming to this particular hub I would say good job. Now coming to the personal compliment about me being open minded thanks a lot but I would like to add that their are many Indians who are as open minded or maybe even more than me. Yes India is making good progress but still we have miles to go before everyone benefits from the economic transformation (so far only the very rich and upper middle class have benefited). India still has millions of people who are hungry, need health facilities, education and employment opportunities. As much as I would like to think India as a economic powerhouse the ground reality for millions isn't the same.

My values are personal for me and I don't intend to judge others by my own personal values. Each to their own and live & let live is such an easy philosophy to subscribe to. Once again thanks for the mention about me. Merry Christmas.

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Coolbreezing  says:
12 months ago

Very well said Country Woman. However, there is no need to be defensive about India's economy. My comments about India's economy was based on the country's progress as a whole. In regard to everyone being unable to benefit from this progress, I doubt if that will ever happen. As far as I'm concern India is a capitalist country and under capitalism wealth is never fairly distributed. So if you find my remark a little touchy, don't worry about it ….I sprayed water but I didn't wet anyone. Its just a remarkable thing for us Americans because every time we call our banks, someone in India picks up. This wasn't so until recently ...I would say it started five years ago, could be less. It simply reminds us that globolization is here and it's here to stay.

In reference to your values, I think you meant to say To Each is Own. I'm not sure if I would subscribed to it but I would take a light approach towards it. Anyhow, Marry Christmas to you as well …..have a good one.

Since this reply is different from the one In your hub, I' also responded to the one in your hub.

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