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86The new compressed air car.
What happened to the compressed air car?
Update June 2009 Still nothing. Just more hype.
This looks more like a scam every day that passes.
There are some subjects one needs to know about to write tech stuff about, and engines are one of them.
My guess is it has been shelved and will not see the light of day because they cannot make it work.
The car still has nowhere near the touted performance and in my view will not do much better in the future if they continue at all.
The first of this type of compressed air propulsion has been around since a few years after the beginning of the motor car itself.
It died a quick death not because they built it wrongly, after all we have not changed chemistry physics or math that much since then.No, they missed the same things then as now.The first compressed air car was built in 1860.
Here is a picture of early car.
There were many reasons why compressed air cars were not successful then, and indeed are not marketable now, despite the many attempts every few years to makes a new compressed air driven vehicle.
Here are some of the problems. Others can be found from links on this page.
- Infrastructure costs and feasiblity of fuel delivery systems.
- Energy loss due to energy conversion.
- Energy loss due to extreme temperature.
- Primary pollution from the supply of the fuel.
- A lack of horsepower
- Poor reliability compared to ICEs.
Early compressed air developments that were unsuccessful can be an authoritative guide to today's efforts too.
Despite the apparently unassailable knowledge and expertise of those associated with the new compressed air car efforts, yet again their common sense is in doubt, not their skills as engineers..
The Renault racing team development engineer who designed the motor has fulfilled many promises with the engineering, but not un-typically for motor engineers he can't see the elephant in the room.
Having been around engine development for about a hundred years, I have seen many advances in Internal combustion engines which this compressed air engine resembles but over the years I have seen engineers make something beautiful, many times but not see the whole picture .
Bringing new technology in to being can be misguided if it involves the transference of energy from one source to another eg; electricity to compressed air.
This involves huge energy losses all the way through the process and requires new and doubtful infrastructure as well, in the form of air compressors in filling stations that will use masses of electricity to run..
1400 psi is a lot of pressure and normal garage compressors can only produce about 150 psi, and even at this pressure works so hard they create enough heat in the process to wear out pretty quickly with daily use, and of course the heat is lost energy so that I can't see how it would be as cheap as 2 bucks to fill. Makes no sense.
The car, is hyped as "pollution free", but of course there will be enormous amounts of electricity required to fill these huge tanks to this pressure.(currently produced by filthy brown coal in Victoria and for that matter most of the world) so this is a very loose definition of pollution free. What they should have said is that the exhaust emissions are clean, not the fuel.source.
Dirty fuel.
Air sounds clean, so does electricity, but they are very dirty when used to compress air at very high pressure because of the energy losses.
Claims of 70mph or 110 kph are rubbish.
The car cannot produce enough horsepower to maintain this speed.
The car as it was demonstrated never got up to traffic speed and the air motor sound like a worn out piston motor with far too much mechanical noise and very little power. See it test driven here.
http://business.the age.com.au/business/air-car-to-call-melbourne-home-20071202-1ee6.html
Latest compressed air car news.
March 2009. I'm still waiting for that car guys! America will have a full range of these wonders by 2010 according to the latest press. I still believe it is all Bulldust! They have made some cars, but they will never make it in to full production because the whole premise is wrong. Now read on to find out why.
the new compressed air car.has been featured on tv and in major press around the world for 3 years now.
Hopeful buyers are lining up
All are happy to part with a measly $8000 for a car that is 80% more fuel efficient and will do 110kph or 70mph.
This is a small very light vehicle which is touted to be able to travel 200 klms on a fill costing about $2.00
India's largest car maker Tata is involved according to several articles.
With Tata's billions in sales we have credibility laid on.
Huge Kevlar tanks hold the compressed air at 1400 psi mounted to form part of the chassis.
The air tanks are designed to split open at a pre-determined point, unloading the air through a large seam crack to reduce pressure and discharge safely in an accident.
The Australian AGE newspaper had an article in December 2007 that excited we soon to be lucky Melbournians.
$1.5 Billion dollars to be invested in Australian manufacturing plants starting with a plant right here in Melbourne.
The problem is despite the many Press write ups, this wonderful fuel saving car has yet to emerge.
I will not pretend that I am as authorative a source as the AGE or Business Week.(who also ran a big story,) or the TV networks, but this is my hub, and I am going to say what I believe to be true anyway as my friend agvupes on hubpages asked me about the compressed air car and this is my honest answer. I respect him so I will speak without fear or favor.
My opinion is that the compressed air car project will not get off the ground.
As far as I know it has only been tested around the block because that is as far as it will go. I can find no reliable pictures or other evidence to show otherwise..
110 kph or 70 mph? NO WAY.
- Melbourne and the air car
This video shows a lot more detais
Why compressed air cars won't work.
Consider the following:
A standard air compressor used in an automotive workshop to inflate tyres, run a few air tools and a tyre changer at 150 psi Costs $1800 to $3.900 dollars to buy, and uses a 7-10 hp electric motor.
But to push in 1400 psi I'd guess at upward of $100,000 each for a compressor for this application, and a lot of horsepower.
The test drives that have actually been done with this car cover only a very short distance, and I may know why.
According to some mathematical calculations if the compressed air car is driven constantly at 110kph it will only travel about 4-6klms on a full tank!
I have not done the math but it is out there on the net.
I also believe the whole process is deeply flawed in it's conception and is yet another hair-brained idea to replace ICEs.
But wait..... there's more!
A new air car has been announces for the American market that will do a 1000 klms or so with 70hp on tap. I will believe that when I drive it.
You are wise in doubting the compressed air driven vehicle agvupes.
Age article
- Compressed air car
In this video you can see the car being driven and hear the very noisy motor
Tata Motors
- Tata Motors Page
This statement from Tata Motors They're not joking right?
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Thank you for the kind words AGVUPES, I agree, the money could have been better spent andI wish more people would save their money by understanding the simple truth of what you state.You can't get out more than you put in.
You can't convert energy without loss either.
The air car's performance relys on a lack of weight to compensate for the lack of horsepower. A better idea would have been to power it with ICE on lpg or petrol.
In this configuration the light weight would have big advantages, and a very small power plant would suffice.
BTW I think these hub-pages are great. I like the fact that we can learn from each other.
You have a heap of common sense, thank for sharing it.
I would like to know if you can make an air motor that will replace the exsisting motor in my VW calbrelet and a tank to fit in the back. I would be more willing to buy the motor than the car.
Sorry Elija, it would be twice the size of your motor and maybe one tenth of the horsepower, read the whole article tp see why.
Have you seen the new 2009 Hub Car? It runs on hot air. There's a lot of it on Hubpages.com.
I was hoping the technology for compressed air vehicles would take off, but after reading your hub, I'm doubtful. Too bad.
Hi rockinjoe. You sure say the darndest theengs!
I have not yet had your vaste experiences with hubpages, but I sure like reading your light hearted hubs.
I need a bit of what you have I reckon. When I tell jokes I get long quiet periods. Thats not good is it?
Your hub is very interesting and with full of information.Till date I don't heard about a car which can run by Compressed Air.You believe me or not but I read about the car which can be run by water,in that they may use Hydrogen from water to drive the car.I don't know it is true or not but feel it is possible.I am working in air compressor field more than 15 years.
Thank you for reading prasannasutrave.
I have another hub called run your car on water. Have a read and get back to me.
Thank you
It's funny that you mentioned the car on water stuff. While not the same as a lot of those "products," there is something nearly akin to them on the air cars. It seems like the idea of a compressed air powered car is a good intention, but, as has been said, and like the hydrogen contraptions, it's just darned bad science.
I realize I'm late to this particular party, but, nice hub all the same.
Thanks JD66, I have always wondered why such great minds come up with such useless or superfluous ideas. The internal combustion motor of today with it's capacity to vary valve and ignition timing, and finely control temperature and other factors makes them still hard to beat with a noisy complex compressor. You can still travel a lot further on a spoon full of petrol or gas than the other fuels and anyway alternative fuel is secondary to finding a fuel for the 600 million ICEs on the road now.. I have written on internal combustion engines and fuel for ICEs on several of my hubs.
Interesting read, and I have to agree. Compressed air engines have a way to go, and they will probably one day have a good use in our world, but a car may be a stretch. Short driving distances and low speeds would be needed to make these practical, and that just isn't an option for most people. They need to be flexible.
As others have said, the internal cumbustible engine has come a long ways, and there is still more we can do to make them even more fuel efficient. By teaming them up with hybrid options and other electric options, the efficiency even grows.
Thanks tyler. You are right of course. ICEs with modern engine management means great fuel econonomy and longer engine life. Before we move away from ICEs we need to find an alternative fuel to petrol for the 600 million of them that are on the road now, and will be sipping petrol for another 30 years otherwise.
I wish i have this car, nice post
Very informative. Thanks!
Hi Earnest, maybe if I check out the Clickbank marketplace I would find an e-book entitled "Run Your Car On Air." LOL!
Still on the subject of energy saving, do you remember the car which the Flintstones drove? :) :) :)
Thanks quicksand, that's pretty funny! I certainly do remember the Flintstone's car. A real rag-top!
wow great information...i am waiting for it....who doesnt want 200kms for $2....thanx for sharing....i have enjoyed reading it....your hubs are very nice....
Hi britneydavidson, I am still a non-believer. The theory is not well based, the motors so far are noisy, gutless and it is still highly unlikely that they will ever see the road in my view.
Great hub, I would have to agree that they are a bit of a pipe dream! The only "green" technology that has the infrastructure ready to cope, is Electricity. Which is a shame, because I'm routing for Hydrogen (mainly because I'm a Honda lover)
From what I hear (and I'll try digging up the link) Audi and VW have been working on some new 1.5TSD (turbo'd/Supercharged) Diesel. It claims to produce 150bhp, 140lb/ft torque, oh yeah and if in a Polo, A2 or and of the other small VAG cars, then it will get an awesome 100mpg and a pretty amazing 110g/km of co2 emissions.
That could be one awesome little car! Hopefully, this kind of progression with technology will continue untill we hit 200mpg cars.
Hello WhoArtNow, The new diesels are doing well. We could still use a lot less than 150bhp! Imagine the mileage if they cut output by a third, we would be getting close.
Lol, yeah, 50bhp should be enough to get the thing moving along nicely for the average commute. i think they've been working on the more powerful one first, because you can sell it for more (and it will apeal to the younger drivers) and then they can introduce the smaller or less powerful versions.
Good theory WhoArtNow. that would be one plenty. I have an ancient Honda mini van with 40bhp that goes like a rocket. top speed 160kph, or 100mph.
I am not an engineer but an avid paintballer. New high tech paintball guns are powered by compressed air. The compressed air tanks are fiberwrapped and can hold 4500 PSI. At the paintball feilds they provide fills for a modest cost. Usually 5 or 10 bucks and you can return allday to fill. The ram in the paintball gun works simillar to a car piston. I think this technoligy can definately be transfered to a car. Let me know what you think.
Here is a link to a compresson that can handle that type of requirment.
Granted it is used and $10,000 so the technology isnt cheap but it is possible.



















agvulpes says:
14 months ago
Thanks mate.
Thats a very insightful Hub and much food for thought.
Not being a qualified engineer I can't argue with any of the above facts and figures but I am pretty sure that up till now the old saying still applies . You can't get out more than you put in.
What beats me though is why do they go to all of the trouble to build a nice looking vehicle as you have shown, knowing full well that the whole concept is flawed. Millions of dollars must have been spent on this project which I'm sure could have been put to a better cause.
On the other hand if your DON'T experiment and look at new ways of doing things progress would come to a halt very quickly.
Keep the good work up.
btw that's AGVULPES. (silverfox).