AMERICAN CONCERN

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By: Wayne Brown

I suppose you could say that the devil is serving ice water in hell today for it is surely frozen over after the events of yesterday. I was fairly certain that hell would be frozen over by now. Our illustrious President has finally found it within himself to show his real birth certificate; to share it with the American public and put an end to the arguments as to his place of birth. Already I have heard some skepticism as to the validity of this particular certificate. I heard one expert yesterday allude to the fact that he was pretty sure the thing was “all Trumped up!” (It’s joke son, a joke!) Now he has me wondering.


The President was obviously unhappy about the whole event and almost acted like a school boy whose mother had made him apology to all the kids at the school assembly for his behavior. Of course, he attempted turn the table and scolded the press for losing their focus on the more important issues of the country. He indicated that he hoped this put the issue away for he had far more important things to deal with than a birth certificate issue. That said, he quickly rushed to Air Force One and flew off to Chicago to be on the Oprah Show. That was probably followed by a round of golf with the guys from the old neighborhood…right after they finished the monthly business of their Global Socialist Organizational Meeting.


How dare the President scold the press in that manner on this matter? Sure, they needed scolding but not for that failure. The scolding should have been, “why did they let the issue die in the first place.” I cannot imagine how relentless the questioning would have been had the issue been about George Bush and his birth certificate. And all the while, the liberal sect would have been out back fanning the flames to keep the issue in the forefront. But when the tables are reversed, it is just a case of those mean old ugly guys on the right side of the aisle trying to make the President look bad. Let’s get real here, most of the folks in Washington on either side of the aisle likely have so many skeletons in their closet that they cannot afford to cast a jaded eye at anyone else. The only way most of them would ever get into trouble would be to get caught in bed with either a dead woman or a live boy. If the media does not do its job, then it’s a case of “let the public be wary.”


This issue of the birthplace has been out there for over three years now. The President wants to treat it as a non-issue which has nothing to do with anything. Well, it most certainly has a heck of a lot to do with whether or not one is qualified to occupy the office of President of the United States. There are rules to be followed, details to be confirmed and validated concerning each and every person who throws their hat in the ring for that high office. If you cannot stand the scrutiny, stay out of the race.


Frankly, I am appalled that it is an issue. I am appalled that a man can run for the office of President and not prove to anyone that he has satisfactorily met the requirements to be a candidate for the office. I am very concerned that our government does not have practices in place to validate these basics for everyone when they apply as a candidate. If a mistake has indeed been made, then the first level of accountability lies with our government for being so inept in enforcing the rules. The next level of accountability lies with the person who would willingly deceive the American people into believing that he or she was in fact a valid candidate for the office. In that process, if there is so much as inkling that this procedure and accountability was not followed, then the media is accountable to follow the story and report the facts to the American people. Lastly, the American public is accountable to hold everyone else accountable to make sure this process is carried out properly.


The President has had three years to clear the air on this issue with the exact step that he took yesterday. He could have made it disappear within hours of the original question coming up simply by showing that copy of his birth certificate. Instead he chose to withhold, to say that he did not have to prove anything, to claim that the issue was blown out of proportion and there was no reason to suspect any problems. The logic behind that stand is totally evasive to me other than the possibility that the birth certificate is only the smoking gun in the whole line. We can only suspect as he is the only one who really knows.


Why are there so many skeptics on this issue? You don’t have to read too long on the President’s background to see the road signs which point to the smoke rising over the hill. The birth origin and parents are suspect or unknown; there are questions of multiple- citizenship; there are claims that foreign citizenship was used as a basis for college funding, there is a name change which has no documented legal filing; there are connections to drugs and to elements in Pakistan as well as the Middle East. There are lots of friends and associates who are, by their own admission, socialists and communists. I am not saying that any or all of it is true but the picture starts to look pretty ugly especially when the individual involved refuses to come forward with anything such as a simple birth certificate. At that point, that refusal lends credence to the truth of the other details.


Some of you might recall the Watergate Affair which occurred while Richard Nixon was in office. As it turned out, Nixon, as much as he claimed differently, was deeply involved in the strategy that eventually led up to that bungled burglary which blew the lid on the entire mess. For some time, Nixon hid behind the shield of his office claiming that as the President was above suspicion, basically above the law, and did not have to comply with requests from anyone inside or outside our government as to his involvement. The press was relentless in their pursuit. The public was highly skeptical. In the end, as a result of the pressures, Nixon had to relinquish the office and resign in shame. Many say to this day that it was not the crime that got him; it was the attempt to cover it up. Given that premise, give some thought to the current issue.


I am a citizen of the United States of America. I hold that fact in high regard. I expect those who hold their hand up to either serve this country in the military or to serve in elected office to also hold that fact in the highest regard. In doing so, I would expect them to be honorable, truthful, and forthcoming on all information and questions ask of them with regard to that service. If they cannot faithfully discharge those requirements, then they need not apply for the position.


Does it concern me that the President is an admitted drug user? Yes. Does it concern me that the President admittedly flunked out of Occidental University? Yes. Does it concern me that there is no substantive proof of the President’s attendance or graduation from Columbia University as it applies to being a prerequisite for entry into Harvard Law School? Yes. Does it concern me that the President received a law degree from Harvard when he may have not met the requirements to even be in the school? Yes. Does it concern me that the President has a Social Security number issued in Connecticut when he has not been a resident of that state and his only valid tie with that state was a post office box mailing of a tax return which the IRS held in question? Yes. All of these things concern me greatly.


Why? Surely some of you are wondering why I could be concerned with all of the above items. For some of you, all of these items are absurd and you blow them off without the least consideration, so why should I be concerned? I am concerned because if any or all of the above items are true, we have a President sitting in office who has deceived his way into that position almost from the first day that he set foot in the country as an adult. That is the concern. The Office of the President should be above reproach. No one person should hold that office if the American people had to be misled to make it happen. No person should be sustained in that office if they bring dishonor to the Presidency as was the case with Nixon.


I am not saying any of the above is totally or even partially true. I am pointing out that there has been a tremendous amount of foot dragging on the part of the President to simply put to rest the question of the birth certificate; a matter that should have been confirmed resolved by government officials as a function of his qualification for office but apparently was never raised. In that light we should all be concerned and we should all want to get to the truth. This is not about Obama so much as it is about the Office of the President. Every American citizen should hold that office in high esteem and demand the highest of principles from it at all times. To be concerned in that regard is nothing less than what we should all expect from a citizen of the United States of America.



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Just Ask Susan 5 years ago from Ontario, Canada

Wayne, Great article you have written here. Up and awesome!


marellen 5 years ago

Wayne, Why did it take so long to produce his birth certificate? It should be a given that when anyone throws their hat into the race we check out their credentials, like a birth certificate...that should be a given. If this had been the case, Trump wouldn't have an issue in the first place.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

We have an unknown quantity in the White House. The main stream media eagerly ferreted out Bush’s grades and SAT scores, and checked arrest records until they found a DUI, but have pointedly looked the other way with the anointed one. They even probed Laura Bush until they found out about her teenage accident.

But thanks to the media’s lack of journalistic honesty and curiosity, we know virtually nothing about the history of the current President of the United States.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Frankly, Wayne at this point I have no reason to trust anything that Obama says. I am appalled that so many people don't seem to give a damn about the guy in the Oval Office. He could be a terrorist and still people would ignore it. The only way to resolve any of this is to drive him out of office and send him back to the streets of Chicago where he belongs. Voted up and absolutely awesome.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

UP and AWESOME Wayne, it sure doesn't smell very good when you put all these facts in one place. Why would anyone hold out for three years when all it took was showing a piece of paper? His loyal following is ignoring all of this, and raising cane with anyone who questions it. Not sure where it will end up, but we have a right to know at least some of this hidden information.


SilverGenes 5 years ago

I was reading something elsewhere on the net that questioned a couple of things. First, Obama refused to show his birth certificate which is rather childish to say the least. What kind of attitude is that for a president? Then, a business man like Trump gets pushy so finally, Obama caves. So that's even worse. Now it's a childish president who, after a 3 year sulk, caves to pressure from someone with clout. Hmmm. These reactions kind of 'trump' the whole birth certificate issue! ( I liked your joke in the first paragraph and couldn't resist)

You ask a valid question. How does anyone get to be president without proof of citizenship? Voted UP!


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caltex 5 years ago

I find it funny how the WH thinks this is all silly. What really is silly is that they could have resolved this once and for all the very first time it was questioned, but did not. Instead of releasing this long form, they released a "Certification" of Live Birth. Of course, that only fueled the fire. Poor guy, is he surrounded by really bad advisers?!? Or could it be something else?


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

I agree that all the details of qualification should be taken care of before someone is sworn in.As I recall it took months for me to get a security clearance when I went to work for the dept of defense. Shouldn't the candidates for president have to go through the same and they will have access to even higher classified material than i did.


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Christopher Price 5 years ago from Vermont, USA

Wayne-

May I suggest you trade in that 6 iron for a 4 wood while you're beating that dead horse...and try to keep your elbow straight. I have no doubt you'll follow through.

CP


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Wayne Brown, this is beneath you. I understand it will take some getting use to being a rebel without a cause.

Put a Hub together about the problems we all face. And lets talk about them.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Isn't it amazing that a man who could not get a top secret security clearance due to his past associations with a hard-core communist, a domestic terrorist, and a radical leftist preacher, can still be President?


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Will Starr, your comments are right out of the 2008 speculative paranoia so popular with your party affliates. President Obama has already overcome these issues! There are so many issues. Like who will be the Republican candidate?


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

What did I say that was not absolutely true?


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

Wayne

I have read a few hubs on the release of

the POTUS birth certificate,this is by far the best.

Your concerns are valid and should be taken seriously

by all.

Tug


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

Will - You used the word "real." That remains to be seen.

The Frog


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Just Ask Susan...Thank you! Glad you liked it! WB

@marellen...The answers to the questions which you pose would certainly be nice to know...then we could evaluate the strategy employed in this process. I remember the press harping on and on about W' DUI and the attempt to color W' as a "draft dodger" because he was in the National Guard...hell, I would have been in the National Guard if they had an opening at the time...any sane person would have. Then the press went on the insinuate that Laura Bush had tried to cover up a tragic auto incident from her youth. I remember all of that and now I see the press giving this guy a pass on issues that approximately 1/3 of the people in this country have significant doubts about...On that basis, I think the President owes them an explanation that is plausible. Thanks for your good comments. WB

@WillStarr...Very true...exactly as I pointed out above. One guy gets grilled, one gets a pass and it is suppose to be up to the media to decide...don't think so, Charlie! Thanks, Will. WB

@breakfastpop....You hit that one out of the park, Poppy. That is the best and only opportunity we have to put an end to this maddness. WB

@Old Poolman...I think there are valid questions on the table which have not been addressed. Most of it has been approached with an arrogance of "I won the election...I don't have to answer any questions!" It sad to say that issues that up to 1/3 of this country are concerned about regarding the Office of the President are going unanswered and the media seems to think nothing of it. In some cases, the media appears to be a party to shutting it down. WB

@SilverGenes...I saw that same hub. I think it was written by Ghost32. I certainly feel there are questions out there that the public does not deserve to have an answer on and ignoring them is fine with me. But when those question began to ask how did you achieve this or accomplish that, etc. and there seems to be no paper trail to substantiate it and no apparent reason why there would be no paper trail for the average joe, then I start to smell a rat. On that basis, the public deserves to hear the answers. Thanks much! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@caltex...That defense is quite effect in shuttng things down. "Oh I find it laughable that you would even ask about that!" As if to say that no one else has...it makes the one asking it feel like he/she is an island in the Pacific. The President dug his own hole here when he said of McCain..."anyone not wanting to reveal it must have something to hide". No doubt there is still a smoking gun here and the birth certificate was just a component of it. WB

@dahoglund...You are exactly correct, DA. When I received my security clearance, they did not believe much of anything that I told them...they validated it. The American public should not have to be concerned with whether that job is being done when someone takes the office of the President..or any other for that matter. Qualifications are qualifications period stop. WB

@Christopher Price...LOL! I know what you are saying, Chris. I am just trying to get one more race out of the old nag! Let's see if I can keep it in the fairway! LOL! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@mckbirdbks...You know, I tend to agree with you on that point. We do have some really big issues that apparently the American people are going to have to resolve for themselves because our leadership across the board in Washington is failing miserably at it. If they were as adept at fixing things as they are at mismanaging and wasting America's financial resources, we would be in great shape. These folks aren't looking for solutions, they are waiting for forgiveness for all their sins so they can start over with a clean page and begin the process of stealing the American public blind one more time before it all falls apart. I do not particularly relish this subject with regard to Obama. I think it still has significance because approximately one-third of the population of America sees it as a credibility issue for the president. I think it is an issue that he has handled very poorly and continues to handle very poorly. I don't remember the media cutting George W much slack on his National Guard records or his DUI. In fact, you might recall just how poorly it got out of hand with the Dan Rather incident. That situation carried over to Laura Bush in the auto accident involving a teenage friend. The President established the premise of "transparency" when he ran for the high office...in fact, he promised it. Since that time, we have seen much to the contrary including the details surrounding these issues. From my prespective, I agree with you that far too much time is being consumed on such needless issues but at the same time, if there is a trickle of a doubt that the person sitting in the office of President of the United States is not qualified to be there for any particular reason including something as simple as birthplace and dual citizenship, then a hoax has been perpetrated on the American people and we certainly don't need an apology and let's just get on with business...it cannot work that way. There are some places where the the lines are gray...this is not one of them. Thanks for your comments! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@tugbo200-5....Thank you. From what I hear about 1/3 of America is still quite skeptical over these issues. By my count, that is too many. By any other count on their part (i.e. election votes, etc), it would not be a number they would let go unaddressed but, for whatever reason, there are details here which are more important than the opinion of the American public. I find it laughable that those in the media can be shamed into turning away from the hard questions on these issues. "Who is Barry Soetoro? How does a flunk out "C" student from Occidental University get into Columbia? How does one rise to head up the Law Review at Harvard Law School and never so much as write an opinion or editorial in the publication? If one excelled so greatly at Columbia as to be able to gain entry into Harvard Law School...why do we need to hide the records from public view? If, by chance, these things did not happen as claimed, then how can you be a legitimate graduate of a school at which you have not performed the prequisites studies to achieve the degree? To some, those questions may seem rather simple and filed away in past history. To me, they have everything to do with whether or not this particular candidate lied to the American people to gain the office of President. If he did, then we have problem. If he did not, he has nothing to lose by coming clean on the questions. It is just that simple. Thanks for your good comments. WB


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Wayne, I do believe Obama's reluctance to release the long form was all contrived to make it an event. Who looks bad now? The people who are birthers and they, in turn, are looked upon as "The Tea Party." There is a lot of mystery concerning Obama's birth. But, I will always believe that was by design to hurt his enemies. Producing that long form BC, rightly or wrongly, make him out the winner in this controversy.

As I said in my hub (birthers vs truthers), this entire "conspiracy" would involve thousands of people and law enforcement agencies such as the Secret Service, the FBI and others. I do believe he was properly vetted. It was Obama that made this controversy. He played people like a cheap violin. I do believe he was born in Hawaii now beyond a shadow of a doubt. But, the circumstances will always be clouded in mystery. Again, that is by design and it continues to make Obama appear to be the victim. And, as we all know, liberals love a good victim. They know how to play this up to the press. Just an opposing viewpoint.


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

I can't believe you are focused on this pettiness! This is why Obama is so disgusted. Tornadoes, unemployment, high cost of gas... this is why he was testy. I would be, too!!! Let's focus on what matters, not on trumped up charges.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

WB - I don't it's petty. I am a tax payer. I fhink it's horrendous that we are just now seeing the birth certificate when the public has been asking for it for so long. It is the president who is being asinine not the public.

I have said it before and will say it again - my children would not be able to attend the public school I pay taxes for if I refused to show a birth certificate or evidence that I am a tax paying member of this community!

I think it's the president who has been wasting our time refusing to turn it over to the people who elected him. Obama is a complete idiot and there's no one else to blame. He had a duty and an obligation to put a stop to the gossip - I have the right to know.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Writer David...I saw a similar opinion to yours on YouTube the other day stating that since Obama has played the "rich and famous" of America to such a cheap tune, they will likely go out of their way to re-elect him so they don't have to admit their shame. Honestly, I could swallow a lot of this real easy if the guy was doing his job. All I see him doing is his time and asking for more. What he has managed to do has only moved the country further down the road of Socialism so that counts for nothing in my book of a positive nature. Actually, I think we probably would be just about as well off if the office were vacant. Thanks David! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Storytellerus...Come on, where were you when Bush was being hounded for his DUI and National Guard service or Laura was badgered to explain her teenage car crash...did you feel the same way? I think those were far smaller issues than questions of qualifying for the office of President. I certainly would hope and expect that the American public and the American government would go to great lengths to make me prove my qualifications to hold the office if I elected to run for it. If they do not, then I am quite saddened. At this point that is my fear...they did not do the job. WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@RealHousewife...I agree. No one in the government accepted me carte blanche when I arrived to be an officer in the Air Force. I had to show my proof of birth, citizenship, age, background details, etc. before I was allowed to be sworn in and far before I receive a security clearance of any type. There is something gnawing in my gut that says this guy got a pass all the way down the line from the time he occupied his Senate seat forward no one has so much as asked to see his driver's license. He probably does not have one of those or he has possibly "voluntarily" given it up as he did his law license. Thanks RH...WB


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Sure WB - actually I was just thinking I should drink my coffee before I read your hubs! LOL - let's be real though. It's a small thing for the American public to ask for. When I was in managerial postiton - I led by example. Everyone of the technologists knew I would never ask them to do anything I would not do myself. I really expect that courtesy from the leader this country elected;)

Excellent hub again! If it makes people think - you've done a great job!


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

Every competent U.S. citizen should be mad as hell at the shenanigans that have taken place in Washington since Obamination took office. Why is the POTUS not held to the same standards as the rest of us? Thanks, Wayne, for an eye-opening synopsis of apparent deception and trickery. I, too would like to know more about his college (?) years.


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mslizzee 5 years ago from Buncombe County, NC

The reason he's never shown the American birth certificate is because he doesn't have one. http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/video/video/sh...


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@drbj...As you can see from the comments that I get, there are folks that want this to go away but they do not feel that Obama has any responsibility in making it do so. They didn't feel that way about George Bush's military records when Dan Rather was flashing the trumped up junk that he found around. We have rules with regard to hold office in this country. As a citizen, I want to know that those rules are being enforced. I want to know how, when, and where. This doesn't just apply to Obama, it applies to anyone who wants to serve in elected office in America. If you need to deceive the public to get elected, you need to be doing other things besides working in our government. Thanks, Doc. WB

@mslizee...Looks like someone made him a "trumped up" one! LOL...thanks for the link. WB


Texasbeta 5 years ago

Actually, his birth certificate WAS certified by public officials like you stated "should have happened", before he became President. Just stop being a child and stop hiding behind the bullsh! Just tell the world you are a racist and nothing he produces will satisfy you because you hate the black guy in office. Facts, documents, official releases, newspaper birth announcements, recollections by people who remember his birth...nothing is going to satisfy you. You want to make him appear like he is not one of "us." Sir, you are not one of "us."


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Texasbeta...Go ahead and play that race card Beta...somebody was bound to sooner or later. It's the only thing that hasn't been used in this process so far. Apparently our "public officials" are easily fooled with regard to a legitimate bc. Hopefully, our TSA people are better trained to recognize a terrorist. Race does not come into consideration on these issues for me...far from it. I am totally concerned about the character of the person and his background which he does not seem to want to discuss at any length. He has been elected to lead our government. He works for us...we don't work for him as he might think in terms of the taxes which he freely spends. We ask the questions, he offers the explanations. If the questions are too difficult, maybe he needs another line of work. I don't suppose you showed up anywhere defending GW when Dan Rather was attempting to paste him to the wall with bogus military records. I doubt that you would. Somebody might have accused you of being a white supremist if you had taken a stand on that one. I can deal with "trumped up" birth certificates because I don't feel that is where the real smoking gun is in the is situation. Most folks who attended Columbia and graduated would be sporting a diploma somewhere nearby where everyone could see it. In fact, it would probably be right beside that JD from the Harvard Law School wouldn't ya think? There are enough items out there to cause a lot of people to question the credibility of the explanation. At least of third of America has great concerns on this issue....I suppose they are all just a bunch of racist. WB


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Texaslapha, Texasbeta, Texascharlie, Texasdelta, whatever....

Here's some advice I've been giving to irrational left-wingers (a redundancy, I know, but humor me) such as you since November 2, 2010.

1. Switch to decaf. Might help tone down the rhetoric just a tad.

2. Ask your therapist to increase the dosage on the Prozac. I would hate to lose another left-wing banshee to the state hospital.

3. Click your ruby RED slippers three times and say "There's no place like Cuba...eh, like Venezuela...eh, like North Korea...eh...like the former Soviet Union..."


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Wayne,

If you dare question Obama, you're a racist. That's the left's favorite tactic.

Texasbeta has pulled this cheap shot before.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Writer David, WillStar...Thanks guys,appreciate the comments! WB


Ghost32 5 years ago

Sorry, Wayne, I've got to disagree with you on this one. TB was NOT the first to play the race card on this issue. Roysown played it on MY Hub on this topic already, and it was played before TB fired his little Nerf ball on this here page. So there! LOL!

Of course, Roy is a former onetime friend who snapped a while back and became my very own personal online stalker, leaving a snarky comment or two per day (at times) on my stuff.

Hmmmm...not saying Tex IS Roy or anything, or that he's snapped, or that he was a friend, but how about this:

Tex, I wouldn't presume to speak for Wayne, but speaking for myself (as one who echoes Mr. Brown's sentiments on this issue), I do wonder: What does race have to do with any of this? Oh, you mean because Obama's so African American he refuses to list his half-white part on the census form?

Well then, how about this: Herman Cain is also a member of the race you're so certain we all despise, yet I (and no doubt others commenting on this page) consider Herman to be one of the most qualified candidates seeking the 2012 Republican nomination. Should Mr. Cain become the GOP nominee, I will be honored to cast my vote for him on Election Day.

So, explain this racism thing one more time, would you, please? I'm just a little confused here....


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Now, you guys take it easy on texasbubba. He supports a failed ideology, a failed president and a failed liberal tactic, the race card, which has worked so well in the past. The Tea Party...oh, I'm sorry...teabaggers cleaned those liberal clocks last November. They are still having hissy fits. They are left to what we see in texasbitter; a grown man lashing out like a child on the playground because he claims it's HIS turn to go down the slide! Hell, he got his "turn" on Novmeber 2, 2010. These babies are still crying about that. He is just another example, a prime example of their outrage.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

There are just so many bad signals here. Any one or two things could be coincidences or honest errors, but with this much in the air, you really get the sense that a long term, premeditated plan was in effect. Stu


Texasbeta 5 years ago

Cheap shot? Not once in the history of our country have people like you within the country denied the validity of citizenship of a President, even AFTER his citizenship was legally certified. Diploma? Who in the hell do you think you are? You are just a screwball guy who thinks he somehow is an expert in legal documents even though none of you have done sh#t regarding certification of legal documents. All the sudden, all of the people who also believe in FEMA concentration camps are also legal experts. Right. The fact is only one thing has changed...the black guy with the scary name went into office, and you shameful people cannot believe that a black guy actually won the election fair and square. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact is, none of you have a right in the world to see anyone's college transcripts, or their diploma, or anything else. He isn't applying for a job to you. HE ALREADY HAS THE JOB!

@Writer- your little tea party extravaganza last 2010, was just that...a little push from the psychos and idiots of the country, the people who listen to Alex Jones and believe in the NWO, going to finally vote and get involved (based upon ignorance and racism btw), at a time when everyone else stayed at home. Right now, your candidates haven't the slightest chance in the world to knock him off in the next election. The country catches the waves of everything from Tea Partiers to Snooki. Eventually, the thinking people get involved again. See you in 2012. Have fun pushing Trump and Bachmann


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

You are getting loonier by the day. I have downloaded the long form myself, and examined it at high zoom in Photoshop. The pattern around the perimeter differs distinctly from that in the center where the data is. The simple explanation is that a scan was made from an original blank and loaded into Photoshop, a new layer was made for the interior section with a background different enough to notice under high zoom, the data was added with yet more layers, and then the image was flattened to remove the layers and make it appear to be a normal scan to the naked eye.

Exactly where is your data demonstrating the TPM is composed of racists and idiots? Every TPM web site in the country espouses three simple core principles:

(1) Get fiscally prudent and pay off the national debt.

(2) Obey the Constitution and all law per framer intent.

(3) Stop the government from interfering in free markets.

Does that sound idiotic to you? Do you like having so much federal debt we may collapse? Do you think judges should violate horizontal separation of powers by legislating from the bench? Do you like our companies offshoring our jobs partly because business regulation, tariffs, and taxes are so onerous here there is reduced incentive to set up shop in the US?

I'm an active member of two TPM groups, one state and one national. I have not met a single person who advocated any racist belief. I've met members, talked with upper staff, worked with people in management, and even spoke many times to the president of one of these groups. Does my experience count for NOTHING, and your wild guesses count for EVERYTHING?

You just spout off theories as conclusions, without doing any work to verify your theories. And YOU call US conspiracy junkies. It's OK to disagree with TPM ideology; that is your right. But it's atrocious to make accusations without backing up your points with facts. But of course you can't do that - YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS.

Stu


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Ah yes, the liberal ELITISM in texasbitter comes out in a tsunami today!!! Yeah, those tea partiers were laughed at all of 2010, weren't they texasbagger? The "thinking people?" LOL That is so elitist and silly, I can barely believe you are real and not an act. Alex Jones, the communist? You just lost what little of a microcosm of credibility you had left. Obama is at 40% and falling. It doesn't really matter if he is elected. Once the Repu...Tea Party takes over the Senate, Obama will be as irrelevant as he is now.

The Obama Cult will just have to continue lashing out at the Tea Party. You know why? Because that's all you have left. Like so many socialists, when you can't argue on merit, you produce the patented left-wing ad hominem attack as you did on Wayne. But, hey buddy, I still like you. Hell, I consider you my best friend. I love socialists like you. When you think you got things rough, just look at a socialist and laugh! Yeah, I'll push the lever for the Republican nominee in 2012. It won't be Trump or Bachmann. But, it could be Herman Cain and he would be a far more worthy candidate than The Anointed One.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Stu,

Liberals like texasBS don't need facts. Their reality is all subjective. If they think something is fact, then it is! Facts don't come into the equation with them. I learned this a long time ago. His "thinking people" comment has still got me laughing my ass off!


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi David,

Ad hominem attack is exactly what this is. Texasbeta is attacking our arguments because he dislikes our ideology. He is not focusing on any specific point(s) and refuting them syllogistically. He's just saying "they must be wrong because no conservative can be correct about anything."

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@TexasBeta...I'll give you the citzenship up front, Beta. But I will guarantee you the President does not want to discuss his education background in any detail, especially as it applies to Columbia University. I see that you choose not to discuss the reference to character. That's fine. Just remember when you are out washing the people's truck that you had the right at that point to ask what was going you and you chose to argue that the little questions did not matter. I don't care who the man is or what his skin color is for that matter but I do care greatly about his intent to lead my country into socialism and in the process break it down it down to nothing financially. Any American who can add 2+2 sees what is going on here and knows that it cannot work to our benefit in the long run but Obama and company keep on selling it and keep on attempting demonize anyone attempting to stop it who shows up on the scene. I wish you well in your support for this man and his politics. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne,

I don't think you can assume natural born status at this point. Obama may in fact have been born in the US, but we still have no proof that he was natural born, as opposed to naturalized. In the latter case, he's ineligible to be POTUS.

Stu


Texasbeta 5 years ago

He doesn't want to discuss his educational background? One of you has a dog as an avatar. Are you kidding me? This guy was the editor of the Harvard Law Review in his first year and president of the journal in his second,graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude, then elected as the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. Do you have absolutely any idea how difficult and prestigious that is? Obviously not. Let me ask you Wayne, Stu- what did you graduate with from Harvard Law school? Did you graduate your post graduate studies magna cum laude? Did you have popst graduate work? Did you have undergraduate work?

Stu - so you got your photoshop and became a forensics expert, specializing in 1960 Hawaiian birth certificate documents huh? You did that how? Was it by listening to Michael Savage and Glenn Beck? What a freaking joke! It has been legally certified countless times at this point. Who in the hell are you to question it dogman? You are just a dude with a dog avatar, a bad attitude towards the President, and a ridiculous idea that corporations who skate their taxes are justified. Disgraceful man.


Texasbeta 5 years ago

By the way...when the governments don't interfere with the market, regulating and overseeing the market, things go bad. Let's take a look at the incidents since we started deregulating the market: Savings and Loans scandal, dot com bubble and fraud, Credit Suisse and Chase hiding money for Mexican drug lords, American banks laundering money for Iran nuclear program, CDO crisis, and the coming credit default swap crisis. I can list tons more, but really...do you care, nope. Nothing put down is going to change anything for you. You don't care what is true, but what fits your team. If you want a truly free market, which this country has not once ever had and doesn't want, then go to Somalia. They have one. You can buy a missle made by a 10 yr old slave laborer for a Snickers bar. Does that warm your free market heart? How did the Republican free market experiment work out for them? Ever read about Saipan? Yeah....doubt it. Why bother.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Texasbeta...If were him I wouldn't want to discuss it either. There is something rather odd about a guy who basically flunks out of Occidental University in a drug induced stupor then is able to show up at a rather prestigeous school such as Columbia University and gain enrollment on the basis of his transcripts from Occidental. The he supposedly graduates from Columbia all but unseen by anyone there only to go on to Harvard to become the super-star of rent-a-car? The President of the Law Review and probably the only one in history to never so much as write one article in the publication. Now a man who graduates magna cum laude from Harvard Law School very likely loves the law and the history of how the rule of law came about in this country. You might say that he would approach the profession with a passion. I find it odd that the man barely ever practiced law and what little he did seems to amount to work that a paralegal could accomplish. Then he drops out of the profession and takes to the streets as a "community organizer" only to eventually give up his law license??? I believe it was he who described the Constitution as an "outdated document" which gets in the way of things that need to get done. God forbid that a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School would miss the point that the Constitution and the Bill of Rigths were put into place to protect the people of this country from their own government. As to your points on government and failure, I seem to recall that it was Bill Clinton who as holding high office when the dot com failures took place and it occurs to be it was that same Bill Clinton who pushed thrugh the legislation to create the Fair Housing Act which seems to be the mother church for all of the financial and mortgage based issues which took place as a result of throwing the doors of home ownership open to every Tom, Dick, and Harry without any rationale as to their ability to pay or their reliability to pay. There is nothing wrong with a bit of regulation to keep things in the center of the road but when regulations become so burdensome that American business can no longer compete in the marketplace, we have a problem. As much as you might believe that "big government" is the answer to all our woes, that attitude is feeding a monster which is basically destroyig this country right now from the inside out. You would think a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School might be able to understand simple economics and spending practices and see the crushing burden that a growing national debt is bringing to this country. Instead he chooses to apply a long since failed theory of economics that only a good socialist would think to use. He has managed to circumvent Congress on almost all of his political appointments, create a team of czars along with a large cumbersome staff all on the taxpayer's nickel. He has surrounded himself with every avowed socialist and communist he can find except for maybe Bill Ayers who, along with his wife, are basically just another Timothy McVeigh team who could not get their hands on enough fertlizer to make a bomb of any value. But like Obama says, "He's just a guy from the neighborhood." You go ahead and keep drinking that Kool-Aid, Beta. But, in the process, do us a favor, and start watching what this man does and not what he says. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

The fact that I like Olde English Sheepdogs can hardly be compared with hiding my birth and academic records.

We don't know whether ANY of his academic claims are true; he won't let us see the records.

I graduated from the University of Vermont, cum laude, with a BS in mathematics. I was first in my class.

I am an expert in Photoshop with ten years of experience, but am not a forensics expert. A "certification" can be falsely made, or simply Photoshopped into the fake BC from a scan of the registrar's signature from another document.

Corporations who legally avert taxes ARE justified in doing so. The answer is to fix the tax code to eliminate the loopholes.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

I am fully in favor of federal financial regulation when the taxpayer in general is on the hook for failure, such as in the banking sector (FICA and other bailouts). Even though the federal government has no constitutionally enumerated power to enforce such regulation, banks CHOOSE to accept federal deposit insurance to attract customers. Thus, the insurer (the federal government) has a right to impose risk rules as an underwriting condition.

But in other cases, regulation should be limited to genuinely important safety issues (consumer, worker, and environment), and should be imposed at the state, not federal level, since the federal government has no constitutionally enumerated power to enforce such regulation.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne,

Great points and advice, sadly falling on a pair of deaf ears.

Stu


Texasbeta 5 years ago

You boys prove my point for me.

Wayne - since his Occidental transcript hasn't been released, then there is nothing proving why he transferred to Columbia, whatsoever. The fact that Columbia is ranked higher and more difficult to get into, one would think he was doing quite well. Your statement about him flunking out is basically bullsh, and in writing it...you know that. Not good man.

Secondly, you basically deny every accomplishment, regardless of its merit, deny his legal citizenship when it is certified and proven on every account, and try to portray him as "not one of us." We can read between the lines man. You, personally, want to see every aspect of his life...denying virtually everything, as if he were a Manchurian Candidate, bred from birth by robots to sneak into Presidential office. Would you like to see his prick for him to prove he is a man? Would you like to touch it too Wayne?

You don't have a right to see his college records. That is a fact. You don't have a right to see mine either. Go ahead Wayne, ask me to see my college records. Ask me to show you my social security card because you personally, just some guy, think you have a right to demand to see it. Come up to me on the street Wayne, and tell me you demand to see my birth records. We have talked in the past, debated, and I personally like and respect you. However, being I can read between the lines. Be a man, stop acting like a 10 yr old little kid who thinks monsters are living under the bed. If you have problem with the man, his policies or whatever are wrong, debate them. Trying to deny his very being and his credentials is pathetic and juvenile man. We have talked before. You aren't a child. You aren't a dumbass. You aren't a guy who believes he needs to build a helmet to stop the radio waves from penetrating his brain. Come on man. This is ridiculous.

As for his knowledge of economic policy...dude, he spent to stimulate the economy. You can debate the merits of deficit spending, but every economics text book on the planet lists that as the primary method of stimulating an economy during a recession. I am not a ninja with regards to economic theory, but I did major in accounting/finance for the first 4 years of school (yep, I was there for a bit boys), and in upper level courses, you get the chance to take "substitute classes" (i.e. you can take an upper level economics class like Money and Financial Institutions in place of an upper level Finance class, even though you are majoring in Finance). I ALWAYS took the economics classes, and have had say 5 or 6 upper level economics classes. Now, I am old and stupid, and smoked too much pot a decade and a half ago, but I remember a few things. There are only 2 choices man...spend to keep the money flowing as the consumer spending has dried up during a recession, particularly at the onset...or don't. Let is dry up. Let the things close that aren't basic necessities. Hoover tried the latter. It led to shanty towns. Hoover was known as the first Keynesian President, but in this case...he didn't follow the book as they say. He tried what the Tea Partiers said we should do. Everyone, including Reagan and Obama, did it the other way. Let's not forget that Reagan did do the huge tax cut in the beginning, but he also tripled the debt and raised taxes 3 other times afterward. He started with a 6.5% unemployment rate and by March of 1983, it was at 10.8%. So, think about history when comparing things too.

So, I get you have issues with the guy. But seriously Wayne, this is the route you are going? I may be a jerk or a dumbass man, but I think you are above that.

Stu- I don't think you are actually. I think this is right up your alley.

By your logic, Obama didn't do any of the things that are claimed, and legally certified, because you personally didn't see them. When you get a job, they call your school that you claimed to graduate from, usually. When you apply for a serious job, they definitely check your claims, your credentials. However, in the highest, most powerful job in the land, you sir, believe that all of those legal jobbers, who get paid to check these things...were lying. Because you didn't see it, as if you had a right to see it, it isn't true. THEN, you follow it up by telling me what you graduate with. That was funny by the way. I doubt you saw the irony in that, but still. Then you tell me that because we have regulation on businesses...things like child labor laws, a minimum wage, health insurance...those things are just too much for the multi-billion dollar corporations, those very corporations who give billions a year in bonuses. They don't deserve to pay taxes. It is just too much. They can hardly eat! Oh yeah, corporations when weighed in aggregate of the top 1000 in industry verticals are sitting on record profits. How do we know that? It was in every newspaper for the last 2 years! But, you would deny those too right? You didn't personally work up the numbers...which you are obviously quite good at. Vermont is a great school. Instead, you endorse and excuse breaking the law to avoid contributing even a little to the country. Nice. You must be a great guy. Wonderful to have you in the country. We are so lucky to have you.

Guys, get real. I know its fun to play in the sandbox of conspiracy theories, but let's grow up. Bigfoot isn't real. When HR tells you that your boss has an M.B.A., you say okay. Why? Because they are the person who checks it, and they said they checked it. Do you demand that you want to see it? No, you don't. Grow up. Be men and debate the guy on real crap, not bullcrap.

If you think deficit spending is bs, then hey...say it and explain why. I'm a grown man. I know what I'm talking about. Give me your opinion and back it up, and great man...we are getting somewhere. We are having constructive dialogue. You aren't going to breed people who think like me out, and I am not going to breed you out. Are we going to fight? Okay, then we need to discuss the divide and how we get to somewhere together, learn from each other. Be strong enough to admit when we are wrong. Denying the guy's records and birth certificate and the birth announcements...he snuck into Harvard and somehow blackmailed the dean into getting the editor position...somehow magically graduated with honors...come on man, get real. That is acting like a damned child. Get out of the sandbox boys and let's debate real issues like how you think the catalyst for the last recession was giving loans to deadbeats, and I think it was because the lack of regulations on derivatives, the repeal of Glass Steagall, which led to the passing on of risk from mortgage lenders to investment banks, when they were wrapped with other debt like student loans, corporate writeoffs, car loans, into CDOs, and sold to state pension plans and internationally on the basis of a triple A rating given to them by 3 rating agencies who have admitted to basically lying, which they were paid to do, and that is factual record. The passing along of risk led to a situation where there was absolutely no risk of losing money in the process regardless of whether anyone paid, so they expanded...raising the debt ratio of banks so they could leverage more of your money and less of theirs when purchasing, up to 33/1 at one point, and expanding a rapid and government endorsed plan to lend to virtually anyone as fast as they could...because there was no risk anymore. To top it off, they sold credit default swaps to the final purchasers, the state pension funds and international banks, which were insurance on those CDOs, but since they weren't regulated, they didn't have to have any actual money to back it up...so when they went under, they were worthless. What did this do? It bankrupted the final purchasers, like those very state pension funds who still legally have to be paid, which is causing the mass state debt we are living through now. So you are right, but I believe only in a very slight part, and don't address the actual catalyst. Now under Clinton, deregulation of the markets was as strong as ever. He was a liberal, but he deregulated the hell out of the mark


Texasbeta 5 years ago

100 in industry verticals, sorry.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

Everyone knows that the 2008 collapse was not Obama's fault. But instead of making things better, he made them worse by running up more ruinous debt. He needed to let the system unwind, and yes, the immediate malaise would have been worse. But the long term would have been better, because we wouldn't have added so much extra debt, and we wouldn't have given the signal to Wall Street that they can be irresponsible and have the taxpayer bail them out.

It is not rational to compare a private citizen keeping his records private and the president doing it when there are grave doubts about his background. His true records may reveal that he is not eligible to be POTUS; that is almost certainly why he is hiding them. In his position, nothing is private. By 2012, there will be laws in several states that require genuine proof of natural born status to obtain electoral votes, not the bogus long form he put up at the WH.

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Texasbeta...I am not wholesale buying into anything. Obama certainly comes closest to being the "Manchurian Candidate" in terms of the information that he has supplied regarding his legitmacy for the office. By the way, he is the one who made the point that not being forthcoming on information indicated there was something to hide...he used that one on McCain. The last time I looked about one third of the American people has serious questions as to his credentials for the office...that is a sizeable group of folks. As to the economic theory applied, I understand the concept of the government attempting to fire the economy when consumer demand stalls backloading production and killing jobs. At the same time, if one is going to apply such principles, the money injected needs to go into the "mainstream" economy. Instead, we the government investing in "green technology" for auto building which created a handful of jobs at six figure expense rates for each job. The liberal side of the aisle has always contended that "trickle down" economics did not work...a rallying cry from the Reagan era yet this is the thought process behind the economic theory employed. As I have said, I don't totally disagree with the action, but I have problems with the implementation of that process. The end result is no surprise in light of the actions taken. As for me buying in, my primary concern as a citizen of this country is that those people who run for elective office in this country be qualified and legitimate to hold that office. I don't their word on it and I don't need the conjecture of people willing to just shrug their shoulders and ignore the Constitution. At this point, I have no assurance that any official or body has taken any action whatsoever in validating the credentials nor have I seen anything to indicate those credentials were offered. In my mind, this is not about Obama, this is about us running down the road toward the future willing to ignore procedure because we dare not question the man elected to the high office. If you remember, Nixon attempted that ploy for a while with Watergate. WB


Texasbeta 5 years ago

Stu - you skated discussing deficit spending, and just said "because it caused so much national debt." Come on Stu! Did you even look at the comparison of national debt from Clinton to Bush and then Bush to Obama? You ignored what I wrote. First of all, it wasn't Obama who bailed out Wall Street, that was Bush with TAARP. Do you seriously not know the basics? This is freaking ridiculous! You've obviously never studied basic economics. You can't compare your personal checkbook to a global economy.

Wayne - well, I guess I was wrong about you. 9% according to the gallup just won't acknowledge his citizenship...don't forget that 20% of the country thinks the sun revolves around the earth, alien abductions, the earth is 6000 years old, and in bigfoot. We always have crazy people. However, until now, I didn't think you were one of them. I was wrong apparently.

With regards to trickle down or supply side economics, you too sir apparently don't study economics. It isn't a debate sir. It has already been proven, statistically and put into the books; trickle down economics doesn't work, period. Deficit spending was not spent only on green jobs. First of all, that is flat out ignorant. Spend a few minutes and research that one Wayne.

Boys...I was wrong. The very basic elements of the argument you don't understand, and believe the sun revolves around the earth and in bigfoot obviously. Boys...I tried. There is no use with you. Have at it. Get to talking to each other about how smart you are for basically saying nuh-uh and how Obama controlled the world at age 5 and has been planning this because he wants to take away your freedoms. You guys probably actually believe that. Very sad.


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Texasbeta your time would be better spent registering democrates to vote. The democrates have President Obama as a candidate. As yet the Republicans can't find one. Donald Trump was a space holder to fill a gap.

We are all still fighting amongst ourselves, and cannot even agree on what the problems are.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne,

Great points. The only thing I'd add is that government project spending to stoke the economy should always be self liquidating at a fair rate of return to the taxpayers. In other words, incremental anticipated tax revenue should liquidate cost (principal and interest) at a businesslike ROI (say, at least 15% per annum). This way stimulus doesn't lead to long term debt buildup, but instead leads to surpluses.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

Bush was a lame duck during the TARP negotiations. The decisions were made initially by Congress, and expanded by Obama.

Polls don't matter in regard to the Birther issue. The point is that nobody would spend $2 million of his own money to hide his bona fides unless something VERY damning was in them.

Deficit spending to stoke the economy needs to be done in a rational manner. Projects must be self liquidating at a fair rate of return to the taxpayer. Anticipated incremental tax revenue must offset project costs (principal and interest) at a businesslike ROI to the government. This generates ultimate surpluses instead of debt buildup. When spending money to stoke the economy, the government needs to understand that it is acting as the fiduciary representative of the taxpayer, NOT THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THE MONEY. The government needs to treat the taxpayers the way a responsible CEO would treat his company's shareholders.

Stu


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Amy Becherer 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

I may be in denial, but surely, if Prez Obama was foreign born, it would have been discovered during his campaign. The media is constantly on the prowl for a scoop. George W and Laura Bush also partook of illegal drug use. Laura Bush was in a car accident under the influence that resulted in a friend's death. As far as documentation, I still wonder about George W's military record. Not one of us can claim no dirty laundry in our past.

However, I, too, question the Oprah appearance. It took considerable efforts to be in Chicago for taping and participation. How high does that rank on a schedule packed with "important" issues. It reeks of making time for the frivolous and once again, illustrates questionable diplomatic forethought. Certainly, clearing his past with a legitimate birth certificate should take priority and be an important enough issue for the President of the United States to address in a matter-of-fact manner. The fact that he has not, leaves me suspect also, Wayne. Great piece that encourages everyone to sit up, pay attention and get involved. Leaving it to Trump or the media only results in a circus. Great, dynamic, kick ass writing.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Amy Becherer...Even if he was born in Hawaii, he most likely claimed foreign citizenship on the college grants he received...maybe a reason his records are sealed. It is also rather strange that he was able to travel freely to Pakistan at a time when American citizens were not allowed in Pakistan....the passport would tell the story. Thanks, Amy. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne, I think you are correct on both counts.

I recently heard that Kenya was not so named on the date Obama was born, even though his Kenyan BC says "Kenya" at the top. Further, the Hawaiian hospital had a different name than on the BC when Obama was born. Both BC's are probably fake.

I have a feeling there is a blockbuster hidden somewhere in those sealed files.

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Stu From VT....You and I both know there is more there than old SAT scores....Oh yeah! WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

SAT scores from what country I wonder (hehe). Since both the Kenyan and US BC's appear to be fakes, is it possible there is yet another country involved in this intrigue? Too bad you can't embed video in posts; this would be a great place for "I Get Around."

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