Bye Bye Miss American Pie - The Demise of America and the End Times

One thing is for certain, the Bible does not mention the west and the United States in End Time prophecy. I've pondered this for a long time, ever since I became a Christian at the age of 17. What will become of this country and when will it happen? As far as I can discern there is only one of two outcomes that can occur. Either the United States must decline to such an extant that it is no longer a world power or we will be attacked or possibly both. There is no doubt about it that the United States is in decline. I think the only people who would deny this are the media shills set up to keep the inmates from taking over the asylum.

The other thing I know is that the people in power don't much care for other people as a rule. According to the Georgia Guidestones they would like the population to be no more that 500,000 million, that is a reduction of over 6 billion people. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, David Rockefeller and others favor charities that will reduce the population. Bill Gates' father served on the board of Planned Parenthood and while Bill has given thousands to Planned Parenthood Warren Buffet has given millions. So people are not high on their list, what is? As far as I can see the environment means a lot to them. After all, once they get rid of all the people they still have to live on the planet, right? Therefore, it is my hypothesis that the method of demise for America will NOT be a nuclear bomb (of course I could be wrong:). So messy! What to do, what to do, what to do? How do you get rid of an entire population of people without mucking it up for yourself. It leaves a few possibilities. A worldwide flu that you just happen to have the antidote for might do it, of course if it became too lethal or morphed into something else, your antidote might not work. War is a time honored favorite and very lucrative at that. That might still be a possibility, of course they would have to escalate conflicts drastically to reach their goal. Concentration camps removed about 20 million people last century, there is nothing new under the sun, it's a method that could contribute to the extermination of all those pesky patriots and their guns. But none of these hold a candle to starvation. According to Wikipedia on average 36 million people die EACH YEAR from poor nutrition or as a direct result of poor nutrition. I think starvation just might win after-all we are already on track for national bankruptcy, surely starvation is just around the corner. In almost all conflict people who grew their own food and/or lived in the country were better off because they could survive. Of course I wouldn't put it past them to use all of these methods at once.

The Bible does say that there will be a world government, that the world will be divided up into 10 sections (the UN has already done this) and that there will be a world leader (the Antichrist). It mentions the north, the south and the east but does not mention the west at all. Considering the amount of authority we now have, something has to happen to diminish this authority to allow these things to happen.

Whatever the method or combination therein America is on her way out. I am very sad about it and for the most part am in denial even as I write this. I hope I am wrong, I hope that even though we are not mentioned in the End Time prophecies that maybe we might somehow slip through the cracks and survive. Whatever the case may be it will be a sad day when America dies, she was the worlds hope for freedom for a long long time and without her things will become quite black very quickly. Bye bye Miss American Pie, we had a nice run.

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Tom 6 years ago

You are a deeply misguided person. Feel free to leave this country if it's, in your opinion, in decline. We could do with less superstitious types anyway...

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I'm considering it. So much for freedom of speech!

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

According to internet research, there have been over 40 million abortions between 1973 - 2004. 40 million people and their subsequent generations wiped out in the U.S. Who needs war? There's claims that the multitudes that died from the Asian flu were the very ones that received the inoculation! And for some reason, the "antichrists" thus far have sought to wipe out millions of people. Then we've got Obama's Science Czar, John Holdren, advocating it's not a constitutional right to bear children? China has only allowed one child per family over the last three decades...mandatory abortions for any others? Of course; that's Communism for you...not to mention all the Christians that have been arrested and/or killed over there.

It truly is alarming that the Georgia guidestones were even erected in this Country with such a statement!! While I'd like to think that America represents the "two wings of a great eagle" given to the "woman" (Jews) during the Great Tribulation (Rev 12:14), I pray, vote, watch and wait as do all Christians that are staying alert. Right now, you do have the freedom of speech; that's a right we all embrace...while we still have it.

Just for more alarm, check out this video on world population/religion demographics:

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BDazzler 6 years ago from Gulf Coast, USA

Is it just me, Brie, or did you also think that Tom miss your point entirely?

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Vladimir Uhri 6 years ago from HubPages, FB

Some believe that world leader is apply only to territory of Old Roman Empire. That will be best for America. I love America. Our option as Christians is to preach good news and declining will be eliminated. Without God everything decline. With God everything prosper.

Thanks Brie for inside.

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prasetio30 6 years ago from malang-indonesia

I am glad to read your thought about this topic. I hope the best for us.....amen.

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Enlydia Listener 6 years ago from trailer in the country

Dear Brie...funny that I should mention the Georgia Guidestones yesterday in the hub I wrote (What is going to Happen)...this was before reading yours today. synchonicity

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Judah's Daughter: What's more I can't believe that they haven't been torn down by someone! I'll take a look at your url as soon as I can. I also wonder about the eagle reference...but still wouldn't you agree that we do have to decline for the NWO to blossom?

BDazzler: Umm yeah, totally!

Vladimir: Very true

Me too prasetio30, me too!

I'll have to take a look, in any case we are on the same wave length.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

In answer to your question, yes I tend to believe we will be "set up" to comply with the NWO, which would mean jumping on the bandwagon, most likely because we won't be in a position to resist with a weakened national economy that is becoming more and more dependent upon foreign aid...which equals foreign (world-wide) politcal control.

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Cheeky Girl 6 years ago from UK and Nerujenia

America has survived bad recessions before and will survive this one too. Cheer up, my friend.

"Quill" 6 years ago

The Word wil, rule in the end, not man and not mans ways. No matter where we live His judgement will be upon us all. The faith is what is important.

Great Hub and very thought provoking...


50 year old white guy 6 years ago

Look forward to the prophecies fulfillment all.

I can't wait for the day and time. The sooner, the better!

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FCEtier 6 years ago from Cold Mountain

Did you see the movie, "Bullworth"? He was correct. As long as 5% or less of the population controls 95% (or more)of the money, don't expect much change.

On another note, I'm reading an old book ('83?) I found at a garage sale about the apocalypse. It's written by Billy Graham. Once done, I'll write a hub about it. It's interesting!

Finally, don't worry about the end times. The Disciples thought the 2nd coming would occur in their lifetimes and 2,000 yrs later, we're still waiting -- unless the Bahai's are correct. Remember, Jesus said when he comes again it will be "like a thief in the night". Nobody knows when.

schmanek 6 years ago

I think if you are a Christian than that would mean you follow the teaching of Christ, right? What about Christ's own words - " Take no thought for the morrow for the morrow will take thought for itself."

I think the end time prophecies could be interpreted in many ways. People always seem to think we are right at the end of the world or right before the end time. I'm not sure about that. I do find it curious that people who consider themselves christians express a sentiment of wishing for the end time ( look at the comment above). The end time would mean suffering for countless millions. I don't think Jesus taught us to find any joy in other's suffering. Even the suffering of sinners. "Forgive them for they know not what they do." " Love thy enemies". I just don't see wishing for some end time to be

part of living according to the teaching of Christ. I am not saying that is what you are doing, Brie, wishing for the end time. But I knew a comment would be posted which expressed this common feeling.

I think Jesus wants us to do our best in the present moment and to love all our fellow humans and living beings. To work towards good and to do our best. Not to be negative and pessimistic.

As far as America being in decline, isn't that an image put out by the media itself? And do you really think an intelligent person like Bill Gates thinks that he can help reduce the population and save the environment all in his lifetime and still have enough of a life left in order to enjoy a planet with less people on it? As far as there being some big push by organizations to lower the population, how's that working out for them? Last I checked, the world population is soaring, despite any abortions, wars, or diseases. I don't think there is a disease or virus or war or planned genocide which could be completely controlled and not bite the creators there of in the ass.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Schmanek: I think the desire to see the End Times come is just the desire to see Jesus reign (which he will do at the end of the End Times), a perfectly natural desire...even the Bible says "Even so, Come Lord Jesus, Come".

True enough about the population but this will not last, the population will be reduced drastically, the Bible prophesied about that too.

We are to look forward to his coming.

(2 Peter 3:12) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

(2 Peter 3:13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

schmanek 6 years ago

But doesn't jesus reign now within you? ( or, not to be personal, any christian?) Regardless of how the rest of the world conducts itself, isn't it about our own conduct only? - I think one important teaching is - " to be in the world and not of it."

When I speak of wishing for the end time I am speaking about the wishing which is born out of dissatisfaction with the present moment. Maybe this is truly how most wishing is. Desire for something better because of dissatisfaction with what you have. I think a big part of Jesus's teaching was about taking comfort and having faith and letting go of such dissatisfaction. Of surrendering to God's will. Indeed, if you read the beginning of The Second Letter Of Peter, from which you provided two quotes, you'll see support for this teaching. " May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and Jesus our lord".

Certainly grace and peace can not coexist within a dissatisfied heart, can it? Reading the whole passage seems to reinforce this idea. And in my bible, 2 Peter 3:13 is stated this way " But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."

I think the key word here which is different is wait. Indeed, there is a vast difference between wishing for a different future and waiting. I think the word look does not convey the state as it should be as well as wait. To me waiting denotes a peaceful, stillness, confident in our faith, at ease and in acceptance of the present moment as part of God's plan. Indeed this kind of waiting was a big part of Jesus's teaching throughout.

I think the whole purpose of end times prophecy is not to get us to be unsatisfied with the present. I think it is meant as a relief of anxiety over current conditions and to reinforce faith and to let you live in peace, righteously, now. And indeed countless millions have been born and died without the end times happening during their lives. And indeed, it is quite possible that the end times might not happen for another thousand years.

Truly we don't really know for sure. I do know that being in a state of discontent seems to be in a state which is insulated from God.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

schmanek, there is a sense of being content in our spirit; however, there is also a looking forward to the day when righteousness will be our new world without sin running rampant. Consider John 12:25 "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal." Even the frustration Christians endure between sinful flesh and righteousness in Christ is evident in Rom 7:24 "Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?" Even the martrys for Christ cry out to Him now as shown in Rev 6:10 "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" There are Christians out there who seem to live in a state of denial of what's going on around them, living in a "bubble" of "contentment". God has a work for us to do; we are to be burdened for the lost, witnessing, praying and paying attention to world events that we stay ready for our Lord's return.

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TonyAtHubPages 6 years ago

One thing to consider in all this is that every single country that God or Jesus fights against and/or destroys is a muslim country.

The US is not a muslim country and isn't likely to be one, either.

It's tricky getting millions of muslims over here to fight against the "Great Satan." We'll be able to see them coming.

And that's in spite of the fact that plenty have been sent over here already in sleeper cells as well as to set up mosques and islamic studies departments in universities, etc.

Not only that, but there are plenty of believers praying and trusting God on this side of the ocean and that has a serious effect on non-believers. They can get pretty pumped up by themselves, but the reality is...

“15 ...whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake... 17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue [that] shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness [is] of me, saith the LORD.” (Isaiah 54:15-17 AV)

There is no real need for the US to decline as a country for any of the above to happen. The US can prosper even as the enemy fails to.

The people who are spending money on reducing the population can't win, either.

Their only method of increasing their ranks is by talking, and listening to some old guy talk is a lot less fun than the method pretty much else uses to increase their ranks.

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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I'll go along with the virus method, it's fast, effective and only those who have been 'inoculated' with the antidote will survive.

The NWO mandarins are probably not more than .02% of the world population, their intention is to reduce to 500,000,000 of which they would represent 120,000,000 with the other 380,000,000 being the worker drones to keep them fat and happy.

So the world does have another possible scenario, that being to have a 'spontaneous' uprising (a la The Boston Tea Party) and remove the tyrants in one fell sweep, preferably in one day (to be called Freedom Day from then onward) and then get down to sorting out the mess.

As most of the leading bankers, lawyers, politicians and academics would then be dead, we need not concern ourselves about debt repayment, all national debts to greedy NWO Illuminati bankers could be cancelled, legal challenges (there would only be defence lawyers left), manipulation and b**llsh*t because most politicos would no ,longer be with us, nor social engineering, as the remaining academics would restrain themselves to proving their worth.

As for me and my house, we don't expect to be here for the fun, being citizens of the kingdom of God, and ambassadors if I remember correctly, plus related to God by adoption, I expect that we will be withdrawn before this starts.

Nice hub! Thanks...


schmanek 6 years ago

Juda's Daughter, the problem I see with looking forward to the end time and the return of Christ is in where one's source of happiness comes within their lifetime. Are you waiting for the world to be the perfect place in order to be at ease and content? Do you think your happiness and peace and eternal reward will come from outside yourself? Do you think there is true happiness in the pleasures of this world, or as the world is at a time or as it will be in the future?

" To be in this world and not of it" seems to be a very important statement. Being told to watch world events might only be in order to confirm that there is no satisfaction to be found in the bed of this world. Not to tell us that we can just wait until the world brings us satisfaction. But that " the kingdom of heaven is within", " The lord dwells within". Also " The body is a temple and God resides within." These things are pointing to what is in the present moment, not what is to come in the future. Eternity does not start after you die, it is now. It is always now. Jesus tells slaves to obey their masters. To love our enemies. Again, this is to show you to not derive your please or peace from the world or the condition of the world. There are many imagined scenarios as far as what and when the end time is about. But our we really suppose to know God's exact plan? What does the bible tell us about that? And as far as the bible, it should be taken as a whole. It should be taken as a guide to how we are suppose to be in the present moment. It is to tell you about how to live and not to tell you to tell others how to live. I think the message is that regardless of world events, you should find your true home not in the world but. within. Not in the future, but the now. To live righteously, wholesomely, with love only for others. To abandon judgement of others and only deal with your own state in the world and not of the world. It is about you only. Or me. Or whoever is following it. And not about looking to the conduct of others. To know the truth of thyself.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Au Contrair Schmanek: The Bible most certainly tells us to tell others how to many places. In fact it warns us if we don't warn the heathen that their blood will be on our hands.

You are mixing up eastern religions with Christianity.

(Ezekiel 3:18) When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

(Ezekiel 3:19) Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Just because we are watching for the End Times does not mean that we don't have peace, I do and I'm sure JD does as well.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Sister Brie ~ AMEN! couldn't have said it better myself. Our peace is knowing the Lord is with us now and at the very moment of death ~ for all eternity.

schmanek, I recommed a hub by my brother no body here on Hubpages. It's called "Only One Crown (A Poem)".

When the millennial reign happens, the Antichrist and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and Satan is bound in the pit. That tells me we will not be persecuted as we are in the world today. It will be a time of peace. In the new heaven and new earth there will be no evil, no sin; no souls to see enslaved to sin and thus no burden to help them come into the kingdom.

Not to be contentious, but the way you sound to me is as one who is very self-absorbed and not truly concerned for the salvation of others. That's what the hub "Only One Crown" is about. God could have thought that way, in that He doesn't need any of us in His world, for He is content and holy and certainly has every companion He could ever want ~ all the angels, elders, etc. He came for us to witness to us, to die for us, to save us. Likewise, we (as the apostles ~ like Christ) carry on His work in witnessing and dying to self for the sake of others until He comes. This is love.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

There are no end times. Any religion that says so should be discredited. It is called suicide.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Hi-Jinks, so you don't believe the Bible? Do you believe Jesus was a liar? He said in Mat 24:21 "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will." Cross-reference this with the prophecy of Daniel in 12:1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued." If you don't believe in God, the Bible calls you a fool (Ps 14:1 and 53:1). You would be wise to believe the Word of God, which has not been proven false.

schmanek 6 years ago

In Ezekial 3 Ezekiel was specifically talking to the house of Israel. This was Ezekial addressing specific people at a specific point in time. Maybe you recommend we build walls and lay upon them for a specific number of days. Much of the bible is history which needs to be taken into perspective.

As far as warning the wicked, other than living a righteous life and being an example what do you suppose you are warning them of? Of an end time you imagine is coming specifically, or do you know for certain? If you warn people that specific events are the end time and you are not sure or correct, does that indeed make you a false profit? Let me ask you something, does the bible talk about the true profits? Who among us is a true profit to tell when the end time is coming or what current events are causing it to come in our lifetime? Jesus talked about knowing the truth and the truth will set you free. Not guessing the truth or just believing the truth. Not imagining the truth or speculating on the truth.

As far as me being self absorbed why do you say that? Because I don't follow or believe exactly the way you do? I am far more concerned about the so called salvation of all fellow beings than you might dare to imagine. But my experience has lead me to believe that the only salvation can be found within, in the present moment. This was, in fact, the teaching of Christ. I believe that so many misinterpret the bible and miss the point of Jesus's teachings.

So many people seem only concerned with getting a reward from somewhere outside of themselves, in some imagined future. So many people live as though the state of the world determines their own state. They are of the world and not in it. So many people hate in the name of religion. So many people miss the only place which God can be found Right in the present moment, right within, while dreaming of what might be or what might come. They place their imagination between them and the reality and truth of what God is. They place their feelings, prejudices, concepts and desires between themselves and what God truly is. They have pride in what they believe and judge others and this also too comes between them and God. They eat from their intelligence instead of drinking directly from the truth.

The original sin was judgement. intelligent imagining and conceptualizing of others and reality. Seeing the good and the bad as separate. " The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". Sin simply means illusion, or false view of things. Man was given the ten commandments to help see the truth of this. To have graven images of God is to have concepts, ideas or imagining of what God is. Nothing you could conceive or imagine about God or God's plan could truly represent what God really is. When you look toward these ideas and imagining, you are indeed, worshiping a false idol.

The commandments are not simply laws which one should follow to be a good person, but, when observed, the forces within which drive one to commit such acts become very evident. You begin to see how your view of the world is shaped by such desires. The momentum goes as thus - you judge which leads to you punishing others which leads to violence. Any act of punishment of others in violence. any act meant to cause oneself or others to suffer is immorality. It is simply about seeing your own true nature. Jesus taught to Know Thyself. That is what it is all about. That is the only true route to salvation. The new earth that is to come will arrive when enough people do just that. That is the second coming.

Me saying all this is me warning the wicked. Jesus told you the temple is your body. A temple is not a building we treat with reverence, it is the place where you commune with God. Without going within and learning the truth, there is no salvation. You can talk all day about interpretations of scriptures and explain what you imagine they might be, but the truth does not lie in imaginings. Without going within and knowing the truth, the truth will never set you free. Talking about imaginings will not help you. Staying with beliefs and not doing the work of discovering the truth will not help you. Jesus did not say believe some truth and it will set you free. Jesus did not say follow others and they will lead you to freedom. He asked that we follow God. Surrender to God. And where did jesus say this God was to be found? Within. The kingdom of heaven lies within. Right now. In the present moment." Take no thought for the morrow for the morrow take thought of itself". and, " Those who set their hand upon the plow but look back are not fit for the kingdom of heaven". Again, I write all this because I am most concerned with the liberation of all.

I don't take as much from historic accounts as I do the direct teachings of Jesus. And I take even more from what I directly witness within.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You are WAY off and do not know the truth. It says in the Bible the heart is exceedingly wicked and who can know it, you can't judge truth by what your heart tells you. You must put it up to the word of God.

Jesus said: (John 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

If you know Jesus you know the truth. But Jesus is not some made up person that you conjure up in your own mind, He is God and the word of God tells us who he is.

Where did Jesus say "know thyself"? He never said that.

The second coming has nothing to do with knowing yourself, it has everything to do with Jesus coming back to this earth, judging the wicked and ruling with a rod of iron.

Quit making things up and read the Bible.

schmanek 6 years ago

And Matthew 24:36" But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the son, but the father only."

So anyone who can specifically warn of the end time, they are but a false profit. Why do you think it is that no man knows when the time will come? because if we don't do what I am talking about, right now in the present moment, we can be lost.

Brie, when I speak of going within, I only am repeating the words of Jesus. Following what your heart tells you is putting your thoughts and emotions between you and the truth. I specifically say that it is hard work to know the truth within. Jesus also talks about the hard work. To sit and listen to your heart, that is following the forces within. The word of God is what you will hear if you truly listen within. Without Judgement, without imagining. Honestly and fully. When you surrender. By surrender you end the following of the wicked heart, don't you? There are many teachings of Christ which specifically try and teach us how to do this. Sadly, I see very few religious people teaching this fact.

Jesus told us to know the truth. Certainly we can know the truth and of course, it does not come from what our heart and mind tell us. Again it takes much work and vigilance to know. It certainly is not as easy as just believing what you think some words mean. Or what another tells you the words mean.

Again the way for this is missed by many.

schmanek 6 years ago

Know thyself is not a quote of Jesus but over and over in the bible this basic truth is told.

John 14:17: "Even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither does it know him; but you know him, for he dwells with you, and shall be in you."

1 Cor 3:16 "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?"

Luke 17:20-21:

Jesus answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with visible signs: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

That is what I mean by know thyself. There is no where else to look for God or heaven or Jesus. No other time than right now. But, again, it takes hard work. Vigilance. Look without thinking. Look directly at what is. Not what you feel, think or judge what is. Not what you believe or imagine or read what is. But what truly is. What is, is not in the pages of the bible. The bible is a guide telling you to find the truth within. Even the truth is not contained in my words. Only within. No words could ever contain the living truth. Only a poor representation of the truth. Only pointing to where the truth lies. Within. The world can not see the truth because the truth does not show itself in the world, only within.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Schmanek: Who is saying when the End Times are specifically? NO ONE! No one has given and date and no one who knows the scriptures would do that.

However, Jesus said that you can know when the time is near..READ THE BIBLE.

(Matthew 24:32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

(Matthew 24:33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

(Mark 13:28) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

(Mark 13:29) So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

(Mark 13:30) Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

(Mark 13:31) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

(Mark 13:32) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

(Mark 13:33) Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

(Mark 13:34) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

(Mark 13:35) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

(Mark 13:36) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

(Mark 13:37) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Where exactly does Jesus say to listen to your heart?

Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the father but by me...NO OTHER WAY..not by listening to your heart.

It doesn't say "know thyself" because it doesn't mean that...the Bible always points to Jesus NOT to YOURSELF...He is the TRUTH and I'm afraid you do not know HIM at all.

schmanek 6 years ago

Again Brie, I never said to listen to your heart. Or that Jesus told you to listen to your heart. I thought in my last response I made this perfectly clear.

The bible does not point to yourself? Only to Jesus? Read the quotes from my last response. seems to me that Jesus certainly did point to the self. And that is pointed to over and over in the bible. In fact there is no where else that the truth or God or the kingdom of heaven is pointed to as being, in the whole bible, other then within yourself. But the bible does not point to yourself? It only exclusively points to yourself as where the truth, God and the kingdom of God is located. How is that not pointing to it?

Again, the truth lies within you. Your heart is wicked. In order to know the truth, you must look within and know thyself. You must know the truth of yourself. Please explain what Having the kingdom and having God within and having the truth within means. What does it mean that the truth does not show itself in the world and only within mean? How can you deny that meaning you must go within to know the truth, no where else? And when you go within and do not take the time to know yourself, how will you know what the truth is from the deception which is also told to be within? How can you ignore all the teachings that support this? Again, I never said listen to your heart. I never said Jesus told you to listen to your heart. Jesus said to know the truth and said the truth only lies within you. How is that not crystal clear to what I am saying?

Most of the quotes you just provided support what am saying. And some even give clues to as what to do to look within.

Do you think we are told to watch over and over meaning watching world events. Jesus clearly states that the truth will not be shown in this world but within. only within.

(Mark 13:34) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

This is talking exactly what I am talking about. The home that man has left is within. The servants he has let take change of his house are the mind and heart and desires which most men become servants of and do not take the time to make them his servants. They let these things run their house. Most people's mind and feelings rule over them instead of the other way around. They have left the charge of their house up to the servants. We are suppose to watch for the truth within but, we give over to others to tell us what is and to do the watching for us. To give watch over to the porter. To every man his work - to expect others to fix things, to look toward others to fix this world. To look to the leaders to provide our safety and security. To fault others for not providing our happiness. To look outward and to another time and somewhere else for our salvation. to try to obtain happiness and true joy from without yourself. That is the trip men have gone on. Many have travelled long and far searching for the thing that is closest to them. There is nothing that could be closer to us than the truth and yet we have left home searching in the world for what is closest to us.

(Mark 13:35) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning.

And where would you watch for the master's house? In the world? Where did Jesus say the kingdom of God lies? Where is the only place the truth can be found? Where does God dwell? Where would you watch for something? Where it can be found. Where is the one and only place the bible tells us God and truth and the kingdom of heaven can be found?

(Mark 13:36) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

What does that mean find you sleeping? Find you looking out into the world, in a trance, put asleep by all the illusions. Following things of this world. Letting your desires and imaginings lead you and show you only dreams. Only the shadows on the cave walls. not the true light that comes from within.

Over and over we are told to watch. But where do we watch? Where is it Jesus tells us to look. That is my only point here.

Look. I really do not wish to continue this argument. I read your Hubs and think you have a great heart. I know that words most often lead to misunderstandings. This is how things like warn the wicked are not so easily done. Please try and have an open heart of understanding as to what I am saying here. This is only my understanding and not the truth. Again, the truth can not be put down as words on a page. I don't think I am saying anything that was not taught by Jesus. And, one more time, I never said anything about the truth being found by listening to your heart.

(Mark 13:31) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

To have your attention on this world and things of this world is to not pay attention to where the truth is. Where the eternal lies. All of this world is ephemeral and shall pass away. To have your attention on the things of this world, the temporary and to not wake up to the truth which can only be found within.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Schmanek, no one is saying the day nor the hour, as Brie said. What you are witnessing here is what Jesus spoke of in the entire chapter of Matthew 24, which covers the signs of the times, the command to stay alert and pay attention, and do His work of witnessing the gospel until He comes. Paul said in 1 Thes 5:4 "But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief."

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Jesus NEVER said that the truth lies within you!

The kingdom of God is within a person ONLY if that person knows the Son of God, all others are without the Kingdom.

NOPE, you must go to Jesus NOT WITHIN, for each of us without God are nothing but filthy sinners destined for HELL.

(Jeremiah 17:9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven...the Bible says he ascended into heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father.

(Mark 16:19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

You write: (Mark 13:34) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

This is talking exactly what I am talking about. The home that man has left is within

You are making this up...God never said that the home was withing...YOU ARE ADDING TO THE SCRIPTURE

The Bible says: (Revelation 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Heaven is a place...and Jesus said he would prepare a place for us there.

(Matthew 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

(Matthew 6:19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

(Matthew 6:20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

(Matthew 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

(Matthew 8:11) And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Matthew 8:12) But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

(Matthew 16:19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(Matthew 18:3) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Luke 2:15) And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

There are more references but I think it's quite clear that Heaven is a place.

And you are quite wrong you are saying many things that Jesus would not agree with, which means you are wrong since he can't be. I hope you do find Jesus so that you will not be lost.

Finally there is NOTHING in the Bible that says the truth is within unless you are born again from the Holy Spirit...NOTHING.

(John 14:16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

(John 14:17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus said: (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

schmanek 6 years ago

(John 14:17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

How does this passage not support what I have been saying all along? The truth is not in you? The spirit of truth is what shall be in you. Yet in the same post you tell me the truth is not in you? The other part of this passage is very important. "The world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him.." Right. It is not anywhere in this world to be seen. It is not something that can be thought about, imagined, talked about Intellectualized, these are all ways the world knows things in language and communication, words. But the spirit is within you. But you can't know it in worldly ways, that is imagine, or picture it or intellectualize it or sense it with

your five perceptions. These are all the way you know this world and worldly ways of knowing things. The passage clearly states that you can't know the spirit of truth in these ways yet you will know it cause it is within you. This is a very important passage supporting exactly what I am talking about.

Look, it is simple. the kingdom of heaven lies within. Do you think that is a lie in the bible. jesus is in heaven with god. God lies within. The spirit lies within. Is this a lie told by Jesus? - "The kingdom of God does not come with visible signs: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Again, did Jesus lie here? Is that what you are saying? Is not the kingdom of God truth itself? Read the bible to understand the truth of this. And go back and read who it was that Jesus told this to specifically. Weren't they filthy sinner just destined to burn in hell?

You say the rest are filthy sinners who will burn in hell. Can you go around and point to these people? Did not Jesus die for your sins? Is there a single person who can not repent and be with Jesus?When you are angry and hateful you suffer, you are burning in hell. You are a sinner, you are mistaken, you are delusional, your view of things is askew and faulty. You have left your home. Build your home on the rock and not the shifting sands. The shifting sands is of this world, where moss and rust consume. Upon desires, of the weak flesh, of the sensual pleasures, of the material goods. But the rock is the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of heaven lies within. The bible concerns you and your own home, not you and the homes of others. warn the wicked? Sure, but is your own house really in order? Are you really doing exactly what the bible teaches? Are you sure about that?

And Jesus talked about how those that believed as he instructed will have the living waters flow within them. And how did he instruct us to believe.

!.)To live righteously. All the teaching about being just, about doing good works. The ten commandments. These teachings are meant to be followed so that when we do live according to them, our own nature, our own desires and our greed, hate and delusion, which is inside every man, how our flesh is weak, how our heart is wicked will be revealed to us. This is why it is very important to know thyself. This is one way in which we are instructed to know thyself. To know the truth of yourself. To see the treachery and deceit which lies within. You must face honestly the truth of yourself. There is no salvation without doing this. Jesus taught this very thing. Unless you believe as Jesus instructed, you do not get to Jesus. Over and over Jesus told you to watch. Jesus told you to wait. What do you think these things mean?

2.) Jesus said: (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What do you think that truly means? Do you even understand what or how Jesus instructed you to do this? If you think it is somewhere else than inside you that you are suppose to do this than I think you have missed his whole teaching.

3.) Love and forgiveness of all others. Again, this will highlight what goes on inside with judgement leading to punishing others which leads to violence. Another part of knowing oneself. Did not jesus ask us to be as he is? Why do you think that was? jesus never asked us to follow blindly but to follow with our eyes open. Always to know the truth. This includes the truth of ourself. For if one denies any part of their self, how can they know him wholly? I do not mean deny any part as in fall under the power of as in desires, but to deny the fact that it is there. To ignore or look away from. To ignore any part of yourself is to turn away from Jesus. And the idea of seeing others as you see yourself. meaning not turning away from anyone or ignoring them. For when you turn away from strangers, you are turning the lord away. Does any of that sound familiar?

4.) Through prayer and meditation. Again, these things are ways to again, know thyself. This is how we can encounter Jesus, encounter God. There is no other way. Many times in the bible there are stories of God deciding to reveal himself to people in worldly ways such as the burning bush or appearing through angels. But is this how jesus told us to seek him? Again, where did Jesus say the kingdom lies? again, you must do as Jesus instructed. But I hear very few talk about specifically what Jesus instructed. But it is all there in the bible. surrender is taught and this is very important. You surrender following these things inside which will lead you away and back into the world. You must watch with vigilance. You must know thyself and watch. Over and over the bible tells of how you will be saved from the end times and the darkness that will befall this world, but how? By being master of your house. By building your house upon the rock. To pay full attention to the state of affairs within. To make the space within fit for the kingdom to dwell within. That is your work. jesus spoke about your work. You are doing his work. It is not a matter of saying just certain magic words and imagining things are good, it is doing work, hard work. Taking to the plow. Over and over the plow is referred to. Did you ever see how hard it was in those days to work a plow? Day in and day out? a very wise analogy.

As far as all the references to heaven you must discount all the ones that speak of heaven as a place in the past or the future. The bible is meant for anyone who follows it to find the way during their lifetime, specifically in the present moment. It is taught emphatically that we don't know the exact time and end will come and that we are to not wait. Depictions of God and Jesus and heaven in future prophecies and past history recounts are not meant as the places you find these things now. Only within is given as such a reference. When you go to Jesus you do it no where except within yourself. But only as he instructed. I hear very few talk about how he specifically instructed. again and again it is written that it is not of the world meaning the way in which we connect with this world is not the way in which we find God and Jesus. Again, we must come home from our travel and make the servants be servants again and take back mastery of our house. Only then will be ready for the return of the masters house. We are to watch and wait. To keep our lamps trimmed and burning. To remain masters of our house. To keep the attention within our house. To not travel out into the world. To be in the world and not of it. again, to be vigilant in the knowledge of ourself. this is how we believe as Jesus instructed. This is how we find the kingdom within. There is no other way to our salvation. just saying some word does not get it done. just imagining something or having a good feeling is not getting it done.

Many people accept Jesus into their heart but do not become the master of their house. They do not do what is needed to be done in order for salvation to take place. They remain idolators. They do not really repent. They do not do as Jesus instructed. They don't surrender over. They don't even know the state of their own self. Ak yourself why you do all

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The Kingdom of Heaven lies within for believers ONLY but it is also a PLACE.

I believe those are your words "filthy sinners". I would never say that I wasn't a sinner saved by grace myself.

And it is correct that we are:

(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

(Ephesians 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are NOT saved by WORKS.

To discount certain sections of the bible is heresy and forbidden:

(Revelation 22:19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

schmanek 6 years ago

I took the words filthy sinners right from your response.

cut and pasted right from your post - " NOPE, you must go to Jesus NOT WITHIN, for each of us without God are nothing but filthy sinners destined for HELL."

Again, so you do not get saved by going to Jesus? Not by your own actions?

Through faith. Is faith not an action on your part? Again, what do you think the act on your part is? Did not Jesus instruct you to do anything at all? Was he just joking you in all his instructions?

Again, clean your house and wait for the master to return. His return is the gift, it is not of your doing. But the cleaning the house is your part. That is your faith. That is you going to Jesus. Or letting Jesus in or however you wish to term it.

Yes the kingdom of heaven is within for the believers. What makes you a believer. To believe with all your being, honestly. To know thyself and know the truth of your belief. This is where you must start. You must stop fooling yourself if you do not know the truth. If you do not face it honestly. If you look away and pretend what is there is not.

There is only one truth. Not several truths, not conditional truths, only one truth. Heaven and earth will pass away, but the truth, God's words will remain. The truth, before abraham, I am. The alpha and omega. The one truth. One eternal truth. You must discern the wheat from the chaff within. Lest you be fooled. Be wary of the grand deceiver, for the grand deceiver works from within those who do not pay attention.

Jesus told us how if you split the wood or look under the rock, there he is. Pointing to the truth inside everything. The one truth. Can you meet Jesus inside the wood or the rock? Can you come to him inside the oak tree? As a human being on the planet your limited perception causes the tree and rock to be separate from you. There is but one place to meet Jesus, that is within. The truth of yourself is the one truth. There is but one truth. To ignore any part of the truth is to ignore the whole truth. If your eye offends thee than pluck it out. You wait for the master's return within the temple. The one true temple. Your body is that temple, there is no other. There is no where else for you to go. And there is no other way to go. And no other way for you to do it. sorry but fooling yourself will not help you.

The reason why Jesus's teaching was so controversial and his true teaching remains so to this day is because there is nothing outside yourself that could give you anything you don't already have within. There is no one on this earth, there is no place on this earth where you need to be in order to receive the gift. nowhere except within your own self. it is impossible to do otherwise. But you have to truly be in your house. And you have to be the master of that house and not given your control over to your servants. All this is not contradictory with the teaching of the bible. To skip over it is to skip parts of the bible. As you say it is heresy and forbidden. again, if you say you are a believer and a follower and have faith and yet you do not truly know yourself, you can not say any of those things. Let him who have understanding reckon....

There is nothing more important for a person to understand than their self. Their true self. Unless you do what is asked and see this, there is no hope for you.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

In case you didn't notice I INCLUDED MYSELF in that term "filthy sinners". You are twisting my words which you seem very adept at as most false teachers are.

Jesus never said that he was under a rock, honestly I don't know where you get this nonsense!

And you are right about one thing there is only one truth, it's too bad you don't know it/HIM.

schmanek 6 years ago

I never twisted your words. i simply asked if you could spot these sinners. Of course, your answer would be no which would enforce my idea that it is about being within you and no where else. What good is knowing of sin if you can not spot it in others? Because you can only know it within yourself. Again, Jesus did not ask for blind faith. He gave us many ways to verify the truth. Mostly within ourselves. The most important place to look. To watch for the master's return. Where would you suggest your watching attention be, for the master's return? In the White house? On TV? Inside someone else? I thought we just established you can't see it within another? So where. where oh where should you look? Where should your lamp, which is kept burning, trimmed and full of oil be illuminating? The newspapers? The internet? In Europe? Outer space? if only the bible gave us a clue where we are to find this kingdom of heaven. Wouldn't that be nice.

Now maybe you can't spot the sinners but since you seem to be able to point your finger at me and tell me I don't know him, maybe you believe you can do that. I certainly would never claim to be able to do that. I dare not cast that first stone. All I put forth is my understanding. Which I think is the best I can do in warning the wicked. Thanks for posting it here for all to see. let those who understand, benefit from these words.

Jesus never said he was under a rock. Right. Are you simply stating that he did not say that or are you telling me that the one truth does not exist within all of creation?

And one more passage to support what I am talking about - Matthew 25:1-13

I will not put the whole thing here. But read that and try and figure what that means. Or google what many interpret to mean. 5 brides missed the master, because they did not do what was required. Certainly there is some action required on our part. Our lamp should be kept trimmed and burning. Our lamp should be full of oil. Our attention should remain constant. This speaks directly about our attention ever vigilant within. Our light illuminating that which is within us. This is how we know him. This is how the truth is revealed. If you do not do this you will miss the bridegroom. The story in Matthew 25 is not something taking place during the end time. It already happened. We are to be vigilant and ready now. I can not stress enough how this involves the attention within. To see the truth of ourselves. For anyone's sake, I only wish they could fully realize this.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

schmanek, not all of what you're saying is false, but you are missing the mark of some very important truth. The "oil" in us in the anointing of the Holy Spirit ~ the infilling and Light. It's not our light, but the Light of Christ in us. All of God's creation do not have this Light until they repent and are therefore adopted into His family (Rom 8:15). Jesus came as the Light (John 8:12). He opened His mouth as the Word of God to man. He healed the sick, cast out demons, loved [agapao] the sinner, sought that which was lost, endured the cross for our sin and after His resurrection, sent His Spirit to all who believe (Rom 8:9).

The Spirit was given to us as a seal (Eph 4:30) and is the power of God by which we continue ministering to others as He did (Acts 1:8). We must not be so self-absorbed that we neglect the ministry to others. The Spiritual gift of discernment allows one to sense the hearts of men, just as Jesus did (Mat 9:4; Mark 2:8). We will recognize the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats ~ because His Spirit is in us (Mat 7:16-20). This is not the "judgment seat", which will take place at the end of the age (Rev 20:11-15). We share the Word of God for by it all mankind will be judged (John 12:48). It is foolishness to those who are perishing, but is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (1 Cor 1:18; Rom 1:16). Let's keep this balanced in truth.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

(Luke 17:24) For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Sounds like without to me!

(John 3:18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus never said he was under a rock!

You have the interpretation of the Virgins all mixed up too.

There is no point discussing this with you further as you have no understanding of spiritual things and wish to have no understanding.

schmanek 6 years ago

Okay Brie, so you tell me I know not Jesus and I should read the bible. Okay, fair enough. I went back and reread a passage and let me give you my impressions.

Matthew 5-7.

To me this was like The Ten Commandments part II. But Jesus has taken the focus from your conduct as acts within the world only, to the conduct within yourself. Indeed Jesus is asking us to do specific things. But again, the specific things seem now to do with the state within us and not without us. he is pointing toward a particular direction for us.

Murder - He takes it from an issue with the act of murder to the issue with just being angry. To settle this anger is more important than a gift you leave at the alter. Indeed, our attention is being turned inward within. Do you not know that to end being angry is not a simple matter of just deciding to not be so. It takes work. It takes going to the root within. This was what Jesus asked us to do. Even before we leave a gift at the alter. The root of the murder, the root within us.

Adultery- Again the focus is taken from the act of adultery with a woman to the thought of the act within. Addressing the acting is not enough. You have to address the cause of the act within. If the eye offends thee than pluck it out. If your right hand causes you sin, better you throw it out. Clearly we are even asked to address our relationship with sensations of our body. We are being asked to address our relationship with our heart, mind and body in this passage. How, other than by knowing oneself could we be expected to do this?

Oaths- Not only should we focus on breaking our oaths, but the focus is also turned inward. Turned toward our words and even turned toward our thoughts. And do not swear by your head... Simply mean yes be yes and no be no. This points to being completely honest throughout. Again, pointing to within you.

An eye for an eye - This deals with your reactions within. Or has you deal with your reactions within. It is a natural desire to defend yourself. But hear again, we are being asked to address this. This is when I spoke about the cycle of violence coming from judgement and the desire to punish. More going from the desire to punish toward an act of violence. Judgement is dealt with separately in this sermon. Also, this sermon shows the unimportance of worldly things. Being generous, even with a thief. It is obviously instructing you to not put up a struggle on the outside, but to work on the inside. To be generous with even your labor or physical effort. To let go of attachment of such things. That which is valuable lies within. This idea is reinforced in other sections.

Love for enemies - Again, your focus is your state within. Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly father is perfect. You are asked to be perfect. Not to just try on the surface. To actually do it. To actually go within and heal these areas within, the root of the problem. How would it be possible to be perfect without doing the work to completely know thyself?

Giving to the needy- Keep it to yourself would be a good way of putting it. Your outward good acts should still be a question of your conduct within. This, again points to what is kept only on your inside will be revealed to your father. The direction here is, again, within you. Even to the point of going deeper within than just the level of the physical body - do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing - even hidden within from the body. Another addressing of your relationship with your body.

Prayer - Another reference to keeping it within yourself. And a prominent mention of forgiveness, another aspect from within us. How can one truly forgive without doing the work of knowing thyself? Again, our attention is drawn inward. Inward and toward the heavenly father, as both are the same direction.

Fasting - Another reference of keeping it secret within you. Of the importance of your actions within you. Most of this whole passage concerns this. Your relationship within and your actions within.

Treasures in Heaven- Again, not in this world, but within.

And a very important part - "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!" Very interesting. I don't think Jesus was talking about your physical eyes being bad here.I don't think he is condemning people with glaucoma and blind people to having a dark inside. I think it is the eyes that we see the truth with. The eyes that see the unseen. To have eyes that see and ears that hear, very important to understand. Your whole body will be full of light. The eye is the lamp. Our eyes illuminating our insides. How great the darkness is within. Clearly this is about attention toward within. Pointing again, to the same direction, within.

Do not worry - again, dealing with your state within. Again discounting exterior things, even ones we think are so essential as food and clothes. Even food which seems needed by our body - again, changing our relationship with our bodies. Of course things will be provided by God as we need them.

Is not our lives more important that food and our bodies more important than clothes? Again, the focus goes from the external toward our bodies and within. There is a direction Jesus keeps pointing us toward. To seek the kingdom first - to address within before addressing without.

And about being present in the moment - Take no thought for the morrow...

Right inside us and right in this moment. The most important place to have our attention. Over and over we are pointed in this direction. Do you think the end time is exempt from the things we are not suppose to worry about?

Judging others- Judgment happens only within us. Again we are directed toward within. The root of the violence. The root cause. Within.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Again, attention directed away from others and toward yourself first. If this does not speak of self examination, what does? And again, it mentions the eye. Clearing your sight. But clearing your sight toward yourself first and foremost. Attention within most important again. A theme which runs consistent.

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." This again is pointing to the importance of what is sacred within. Certainly your pearls are not actual pearls which thieves would break in and steal, but your inner wisdom. Again, pointing to the value within and guarding it from the outside world. Pointing to within as the realm of the sacred.

Ask seek knock - So where do we ask seek and knock? In the direction that has been pointed to all along. Do to others what you would have them do to you. Although the focus is inward it is not a selfish inward. It is balanced by the fact that you must recognize that others have their own within. They are equal to you. Do not disregard others in your turning your attention inward. Equanimity is very important. Do not give up your pearls toward others but recognize that others have their pearls to. There is a balance with the others in this world with your focus inward, that is also the law.

The narrow and wide gates- "Enter through the narrow gate." Here again we are turned toward the inside. The very smallest and closest things to us. Not a telescope, but a microscope. Not the vast outside but the minuet inside. Not the wide view of the whole world but the narrow and precise view of within, the most intimate of all things. Not widened and full of thoughts feelings senses from without, but the close direct experience within. Few find it. they miss the direct to turn their attention. That di

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

(1 Corinthians 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

(1 Corinthians 2:15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Even if I explain these things to you (which I have been doing in vain) you will not understand them because the natural man does not understand the things of God.

You must be born again first...submit yourself to Jesus and His word, repent of your sins and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

You will not understand anything I tell you (which has been evident) until you are born again.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Most people missquote the Bible. Why do you care? What has changed in the 1850 years since the Bible was written? Note NOTHING was written during Jesus' time.

But I repeat nothing had changed? In many ways living has gotten worst.

Get some counciling.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

LOL, nothing has changed! Everything has changed. During Jesus' time no one could go faster than a horse, there were no printed materials, no mass communication, the discovery of germs, penicillin, cars, airplanes, radio waves, micro waves, no electricity, no internet, no TV, no Telephone, no Satelites, no nothing! How can you say nothing has changed? about needing counseling you must live in a cave!

schmanek 6 years ago

Born again by yours or someone else's definition, or born again by what Jesus himself told us? How did you come to the understanding of what it means to be born again? Are you going by another persons definition?

"You must be born again first...submit yourself to Jesus and His word, repent of your sins and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior."

So you are saying I have not done these things? How do you know? I have an understanding that differs from you? Is that what Jesus has taught you ? To think and judge others like that? You judge me as the natural man? Are you really going to stand on that judgement? Please answer these questions.

Yes, the natural man. That would indicate a man which is moved by the flesh. A man who does not do the work which Jesus commanded us to do and illuminate our bodies with the lamps that are our eyes. If you are " as a man who went on a trip and left mastery of your house to your servants" That is, let your inside state run by your carnal desires and impulses, while your attention was focused in the world in a vain effort to find escape from what you perceive as suffering and pain within yet, you run from and do not do as Jesus commanded you to do, to go within and seek the kingdom first, that is a natural man. That is the definition of a natural man. natural as following their impulses like an animal. That is a man as he is naturally, that is, not doing the specific things jesus commanded him to do.

(1 Corinthians 2:15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. Right. Again, this is pointing to being within and that which is eternal can not touch you. What is truly real can not be touched. The truth is incorruptible. and you mix the words judge with what the meaning behind their use is. You quoted (Revelation 22:19) "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

But I think you might miss the whole point of that passage. I own at least two different versions of the bible and have access to almost any version online. I can assure you words have been Changed. Some have been taken away. Some words have been interpreted differently. I get from all you have written here that you take one specific word to only mean one thing. There is a debate whether Jesus said he was within wood and under a rock or not. Does this debate matter? It is about not getting hung up on words but, knowing the meaning behind the words. About doing the work that has been asked for you and Knowing the truth. In another hub you declare that Jesus is God. Is not your understanding that god exist in all things? Would than the statement jesus being within the wood and under a rock, which is pointing to the truth being throughout all things. The one truth, would this not stand? Is this not what the whole purpose of the bible to begin with? Guess what, Jesus never said anything we quoted here that he did say. jesus did not speak english ( as far as I understand). He never said any of these words. But it is the meaning behind the words which we must try and understand. If Jesus commands that it is part of the law to Judge not lest you be judged, I am going to understand that if it says " But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man" This does not mean that the law has changed and it gives me the right to judge others. Jesus said that not one letter of the law, not one stroke of one letter of the law will pass until all these things are done. Do you feel you are living more righteous than the Pharisees? Is that how you think you have the right to judge others. It says that he who is spiritual judge all things. But it is not a judgement with your mind. 2 Corinthians 3:6 "...God ,6 who has qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not in a written code but in the spirit; for the written code kills, but the spirit gives life."

It is not about the words, it is about the meaning of the words and, only the meaning as a means to point us to find the spirit, and only within.

And another reference to within yet again - 2 Corinthians 4:10 ... "so that the life of Jesus will be manifested within our bodies."

Again and again within our bodies are pointed to. That is what I meant by being told we must know ourselves. We must go to the place commanded to. Within. We must use our eyes as lamps to illuminate our bodies. To look within. To be vigilant and watch within. We must keep oil in our lamps, that is our attention within. Waiting for the master's return. Within.

It is because of this understanding that you say i am not spiritual. That I am just a natural man. That I am not fit for the kingdom of heaven and that I am not spiritual and have no desire to be. Are you really so sure about all that?

You say the kingdom is within but only for believers. Who else do i speak? Because my understanding varies from yours you seem fit to judge me as a non believer. yet I have not passed one single judgement on you. I would never presume such things. Conveying my understanding is not about negating yours. Yours is a matter for you alone. I have no place to day such things. Why do you feel you have the right to say such things about me?

That is one thing i can not understand.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I have the righteousness of Christ. And my authority comes from Christ as well.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Amen, Brie.

schmanek, You said, "Jesus said that not one letter of the law, not one stroke of one letter of the law will pass until all these things are done." All what things? Until they are fulfilled and accomplished, which He did on the cross (Heb 7:28; Rom 10:4; Gal 3:19; Eph 2:14-16; Col 2:14; Heb 8:6-7, 13 and many more).

You said, "Do you feel you are living more righteous than the Pharisees?" Jesus said, "Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of God." (Mat 5:20) Who is our righteousness? Jesus Christ and because of our faith in Him, we are made the righteousness of God in Him (2 Cor 5:21).

You said, “Is that how you think you have the right to judge others. It says that he who is spiritual judge all things.” You answered your own question.

Again, you sound a lot like Edgar Casey. Do you believe the 24 elders of heaven are the 24 brain stems of your brain? Of course God wants us all to first be right with Him in spirit and truth before we can be useful in ministering to others. Why you contend with other born again believers, if you say you are born again, is a mystery. That, in itself is quite revealing.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks so much JD, you are a blessing to me.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Nothing has change is referring to is to all those self-righteous people killing each other in the name of their God. Do you see?

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well, that is true, nothing will change until Jesus returns.

schmanek 6 years ago

Well I am glad, Brie that you have this authority to point your fingers at others. I only wish your are happy in your position.

None of this has to do with edgar casey or any theories. Just direct experience.

This, by the way, is the only way. Not through words or thoughts or feelings, but through direct experience. Jesus instructed us. What should come to pass was our following the instructions given by Jesus. this is the getting right with jesus that we must begin with. Not get right through our feelings, through our thoughts, with our bodily senses. These are the things we surrender. Our being under the control of these things. It takes our attention to be within us. To come home and relieve the servants that we let run our house. To watch for ourselves and relieve the porter. That is what all these things mean. If you have an idea in your mind what being born again means, I think you are not doing what Jesus instructed. If you have your understanding constructed with words, it will fall on you. If your attention is among the worldly things and not vigilantly within, you will miss the return of the bridegroom. If you do not know the spirit through direct experience, you miss the mark. This is my understanding of what was taught. You do not know Jesus through fear. Not through desire or greed for some future reward. The truth is not found through fear. neither fear of an end time or of future damnation. Not through wishing for some future reward. Only through direct experience free of desires, free of fear, free of anger and greed. You must surrender all these things. I think the teaching on this is perfectly clear. Until you see what you are completely and honestly, you have a spec, or a plank in your eye. You are not fit for the kingdom of heaven. I am not contending with anybody. For all I know, anyone who is reading this follows these instructions or not. Not my instructions, but his. This as I say is only how I understand it. Only how I am able to relate it. If you do not agree with what I say, maybe you simply don't understand my explanation. Words are less perfect than understanding. Understanding is less perfect than the direct experience. Direct experience is the knowing spoken of. It is only than that one is born again. Transformed by the truth. direct contact with the truth. within. Not through intellectual understanding. Not within words. Not with emotions. These things all can be affected by the direct experience, but they can't be between you and the experience. "Have no false gods before me." None of these things be your master, none of these things to come between you and God, directly.

And I never contend with others, born again or not. I simply put forth my understanding. Each can only do for themselves.

He who is spiritual judge all things. Again, calling others names passing judgement over others toward them is not part of this spiritual judgement. I bet if you go back to the original passage it could be translated as this- He who is spiritual will know the truth of all things. There is a big difference between seeing the truth of something and accusing others of being this or that. Pleas read the bible and see what Jesus said as far as what to do toward others. " Forgive them, they know not what they do." But people take the passage He who is spiritual can judge all things and they go around challenging others beliefs. Where does this lead? Killing in the name of God. Same path. That is where that mentality comes from. But, reading the sermon on the mount, how can one not be humbled away from such judgments. By reading the words " forgive others and forgive them for they know not what they do, how does one not move away from accusing judgement? Certainly we are told that we can know what is evil and what is righteous. But how are we told to engage such things? We are told to shine our light, to live by example. that is what is meant when we are to spread the word. Not to argue over someone's understanding and to nit pick over words.

And this all started over my understanding that we are to know ourselves. How have I not demonstrated that that is indeed a fair understanding of the teaching? This seems like what a spiritual person will be able to judge? The authority given to you, Brie, by Jesus Christ lead you to insist i had said You have to look into your heart. But go back and read what i wrote. i never said look into your heart. yet you insisted I had said that even after i had said i didn't. And reading what I wrote will confirm I never said that. That was a misunderstanding on your part. It was not a judgement born out of spirituality, given to you by the authority of jesus. Not through the truth of the holy spirit. It was a judgement made through your intellectual mind. That is not the kind of judgement that is given to a spiritual person. It was a faulty judgement, a human judgement. It was simply an intellectual misunderstanding on your part. You did not surrender your minds authority over and see with eyes clean. When a spiritual person has the authority to judge all things, that judgement is never faulty, is it? Faulty judgement is a human thing. But, yet, this is the same judgement you use against me and my understanding. Are you sure that authority was given to you by Jesus?

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, I am positive.

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electricsky 6 years ago from North Georgia

Right at this moment I see much wealth here. Have you ever seen the poverty in a third world nation? I can't believe America is in decline at this moment, although in the future it will be because of abortion.

As to thinning the masses; just wait a few years; abortion has done that for us. If we do falter it is because abortion has curbed our future citizenry.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

schmanek, not to be judgmental, but.......................most cult followers leave "hubby" comments (cough). Come on. Jesus rebuked false teachers, discerned the religiously proud ~ how about His comment to the Jewish leaders in John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil". Let's look at Paul's words to false teachers in Acts 13:10 "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?" Now, how about the Lord's praise to the church at Ephesus in Rev 2:2 "I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false." None of this has to do with "looking within" and not "judging". You sound like a New Age flower child (using the mannerism of Jesus, Paul and Ephesus here) :-/

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" is specifically about the Jews that put Jesus on the cross. This sin could have been eternally held against them without any hope of forgiveness. What did they crucify Him for? Claiming to be God, or blasphemy. They committed blasphemy by hanging Him on the cross. They are God's chosen as Christ came from them. They, too must have a hope of salvation by grace through faith. Many Jews have received their Messiah since and are still doing so to this day.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Frankly, whatever you "think" I suggest you examine closely for yourself. You're preaching the same message redundantly, schmanek. You have greatly distracted the reading audience off the focus or topic of this hub, don't you think? If you have so much wisdom to share, why not try posting maybe ONE hub? Your comments alone here might take two, three, maybe four. can debate all you like in your own hub space!! Isn't that an amazing thought....something more to "think" about.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

(John 6:28) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

(John 6:29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is the last response that I will give you Schmanek. All other posts will be denied. We have answered your ramblings completely, you refuse (or cannot) understand the truth so we are done.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Brie, sorry to say that you don't have a faith. You are so unsure that you have to quote dozens and dozen of Bible passage to make the point to yourself about the faith you real don't have. Real faith doesn't need justification. It's just faith.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The Bible says to defend the faith. I have faith in Jesus, that's all I need.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Keep it simple, and your life would be complicated.

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Hi-Jinks 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Oh, I meant Uncomplicated.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

My life is uncomplicated and I do try to keep things simple as long as simple tells the truth.

Hxprof 6 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Brie, I strongly disagree that the US isn't mentioned in scripture-it's mentioned in numerous places in the Old Testament and in Revelation.

As far as knowing the day of Christ's return, we never will know the day, but Christ expects us to know the season (see Mat. chapters 24-25). The founding of Israel in '48 was a key indicator that we are fast closing in on the end times.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Hxprof: passages please for the mentioning of the U.S.

Hxprof 6 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Brie, I'll be glad to email them to you if you like-that way you can do with them as you please, and I avoid becoming involved in a debate.

Let me know.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Why are you so unsure of your passages that you are afraid of a debate? There are no passages unless you make something out of nothing.

Hxprof 6 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Again, I'll be glad to email them to you if you like. I'm not afraid of a debate, just not interested in a debate-no time for it. Once I've emailed you some of the scripture you can post it here if you like and allow for debate-I just won't be part of it.

Let me know if you want me to email them to you. If you don't want me to email them to you that's fine also.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I don't give out my personal email.

Hxprof 6 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

You don't have to give out your email...there is a spot at the top of the page that allows hubbers to email you without you revealing your email.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Never mind, if your not willing to put the passages on comments then it doesn't matter. I would just post them on here anyway. Besides, I know the Bible very well and I am sure there is nothing. The only thing that is remotely possible is a mention of the eagle that rescues Israel. It's too vague to say for sure if that is America or not.

foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

What I don't understand is why people get so worked up over something that is supernatural in origin and will never be understood by mere mortals. It's too far beyond us. God and Satan are supernatural beings. Their entry to this planet (God through Jesus), cannot be predicted nor can the methods by which it will happen. In fact, it's quite likely the Bible was written without specifics to determine who is worthy of the kingdom and who isn't. Regardless, it does make for interesting exchange.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The Bible is very specific, what do you mean without specifics?

Nikko 6 years ago

The bible does mention the the USA and its demise.In revelations and Danails.I see not everyone knows the accurate knowledge of the bible or have insight.USA will be destroyed by Gods kingdom and so will the rest of human goverments.Revelations speaks of the USA many times as the last of the seven heads of the wild beast,the Anglo America of USA and Great Britain(the last head has 2 horns.And it calles the USA the false prophet too.

Nikko 6 years ago

What you got to understand is that Satan owns and control all human goverments the bible says and 7 of them( the 7 headed wild beast) were and are world powers or his most powerful countries he ever had..6 have already came and gone in our day and the last one IS Anglo America,USA and Great Britain.........Revelation say 9 “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

No where does the Bible mention Great Britain or the interpret it so is making quite a stretch. Rev. 9 does not mention them either and that passage could fit quite a few scenarios. I'm not saying its not possible but its unclear for now. And most bible scholars will tell you that the USA is not part of the End Times scenario, except possibly as the eagle to rescue Israel.

Nikko 6 years ago

Yes it does makes it very clear that the last of the seven headed wild beast is USA and Britain.Most bible scholars dont and will never know the sacred secreats in the bible.Only the minority of people will have spiritual insight.The 7 headed wild beast metined in revelation.There has been 7 world powers in this world.I will start by order,Egypt was the first,then Assyria,Babylon,Medo Persia,Greece,Rome,and USA & Britain

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I disagree

Nikko 6 years ago

The facts are very accurate of what i said and in the bible.I can go into more details to help open your eyes and shine light to your path

Nikko 6 years ago

We all know we are in the last days and we all know who the world superpower government is.Historians and many other know its the USA and Britain working hand and Usa as the superpower.

foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

The Bible is very specific, what do you mean without specifics?


We have no idea when the Rapture is, or the Second Coming, or Armageddon, etc. To me, this is humankind's greatest failing. We must have answers to everything as if we're entitled. Knowledge will be revealed to us when God says we're ready and not before. Anyway, you really hit the hot buttons on this one.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

For example it names the countries involved in the war against Israel, it says that they will be burying the dead for 7 months and burning the weapons for 7 years. In the book of Daniel it gives the exact number until the Second Coming. It gave all kinds of specifics regarding Jesus, where he would be born, how he would be betrayed (30 pieces of silver) how he would die, where he would be buried.

The Bible doesn't tell us everything but what it does tell us is true.

True we have no idea as to when the rapture will happen but we will know when the Second Coming will happen (look at the last chapter of Daniel). We will know that in the middle of the 7 year peace treaty with Israel that great persecution will break out. We have a lot of information and clues.

Nikko 6 years ago

there is no mention of the word "rapture" in the original bible or scriptures.alot of people are confuse and only go by what they here and not investigate the bible for themselves...And yes,we are in the last days people and it started in 1914

foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

You are far more tuned in than I. And no doubt you are correct. But where does such knowledge lead us? For example, if we knew that the Rapture will be on Oct 9, 2020, at exactly 10:33 pm (EDT), then suddenly everybody will become God-fearing and expect instant everlasting utopia. Personally, I care nothing for such knowledge. I'd rather focus on convincing nonbelievers that God and Satan are real and that this is not a game.

Regardless, reading your hubs are part of my daily routine. You need to write faster.

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

LOL, I'm writing as fast as I can!

Nikko 6 years ago

And revelations talks about the United Nations as being the eighth king...11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

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rdcast 6 years ago from God's Green Earth

Could this be a reference to our continent(USA)as the refuge for "the remnant of her seed"?

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I don't think so.

Nikko 6 years ago

No rdcast,but if yu really want to know,then ill tell you the accurate truth

Lupe 6 years ago

Is it possible America is the whore of babylon?

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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I don't think so, we don't fit the requirements. It sounds like a middle eastern country.

Da BEEPSTER 6 years ago

Your problem is you do not know who America is in bible prophsy. You may not understand that The Bible is actually the tree of life and we are seperated from it by an Angle. God promised Abramham that he would be the Father of many nations,NOT ONE. America will be destroyed.

The King of the North (Europe) shall rise up against the

King of the South (Iran, Egypt, Seria) and destroy them

and then turn their attention to the U.S.

anyway, God Bless you and keep you.

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sarmack 4 years ago from Washington

It was during an "age of reason" which brought the United States into being. The founders of this country were believers in the Almighty God. The "judging" of Wikileaks on a world-wide level is a good indicator the there are those in existence who think they rule and can judge for the world. However, the current "age of reason" has left God behind (e.g., the loss of the Statue of Liberty's Light) in lieu of their own "christ-consciousness", which is their own belief that they can be god! Therefore, the results are devastating. The opposite of God the Creator, is destruction. So, the age is not really one of Reason, but of insanity. Everything is backwards or upside down. And so, the "show-down" between God and humanity (i.e., christ-consciousness) has begun... a while ago, really.

Spouting Bible verses will not Save this world. And, the Battle is now out of our hands because it is the minds of people that are being controlled... people failed. It is the Way people live their lives and how much they Act to preserve and protect the ones they Love that will Save the world. Following whoever it is that Controls your mind, your Acting on what you have been directed to do, will Reveal who your god is. Goodness will prevail.

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