The Subject Is Food Stamps (AKA SNAP)

Now why would those meanie Republicans want any able bodied person to actually work for food stamps? Heavens what are they thinking? At least to Pelosi what are they thinking. Why does her name keep coming up in the national media? Is she that much of a media whore?

Here's her quote about the proposal to cut a meager $4 billion from the SNAP, "Maybe I’m just hoping for divine intervention, but I really do believe that there are enough Republicans that will not identify themselves with such a brutal cut in feeding the American people.” some how Nancy I don't see divine intervention coming your way since the Vatican just said you are to be denied communion. The jig with you and the church is up lady.

Though on your side of the argument Pelosi, I am sure that there may be enough Republican squishes to provide some intervention though it won't be divine. Pelosi being on the far left side of Progressive aisle, I'm sure that divine intervention is way down the pecking order of the government is never to do less to help those who need to help themselves.

Except for low information voters , who usually care less, the average citizen should be concerned with what they are not being told. In the case of this story the Democrats and Squishy Republicans won't tell you that the cuts are extremely targeted. Obama has expanded the program to unbelievable boundaries and it is high time to give a good push back.

So who do they apply to? They are targeted at those able bodied individuals who zero dependents other than themselves. Well just imagine that Bill Clinton was incensed about people who wanted to collect entitlements back in 1996 but he was. the welfare reform act back in the day required recipients of welfare assistance to work to receive that benefit. Lord don't remind Nancy Pelosi of that. she'll tell you that she didn't want anything to do with an individual having their free time and leisure interfered with, including her own I might mention.

How shocking and mean spirited can one get even when Clinton was pushing it? Oh and just in passing in case you haven't noticed. Regardless of the bill that leaves the House of Representatives Harry Reid will make sure it never sees the light of day in the US Senate. Are you noticing the pattern here by any chance?

Need I Say More?

What the Democrats aren't telling you is that able bodied people need to get off the duffs and go to work to "earn" food stamps. They are claiming that children and the elderly are being targeted. Are you beginning to recognize that familiar refrain? Why should anyone be able to sit on the couch watching day time soaps and expect to receive SNAP benefits? Because Obama said it's okay and has expanded the program to keep a boot heel on as many people's pie hole as he can?

The other thing the Dems aren't laying on the line is that cut is over a 10 year period. Obama's expansion was that by one half. Just so you are better informed here are some of the provisions the House passed in the Farm Bill:

  • "Allowing states to pursue retailer fraud through a pilot investigation program and deters retailers most likely to engage in benefit trafficking by requiring them to stock three of the four major food groups to qualify as vendors.
  • Prohibiting USDA from advertising SNAP on television, radio, billboards and through agreements with foreign governments.
  • Ensuring illegal immigrants, lottery winners, traditional college students, and the deceased do not receive SNAP benefits.
  • Allowing states to conduct pilot projects that adopt TANF work requirements for able-bodied adults to remain eligible for SNAP benefits, with the exception of those with a disability or with sole responsibility of a child under the age of one, or under age six if no child care is available.
  • Allowing states to conduct drug testing on SNAP applicants as a condition for receiving benefits.
  • Ending eligibility for SNAP for convicted violent rapists, pedophiles and murderers.
  • Removing the ability for states to get waivers for the work requirement for able-bodied adults without dependents.
  • Allowing states that adopt TANF work requirements in SNAP to receive the 50 percent match for employment and training activities."

Everything I see there seems reasonable to me. So the Democratic whiny babies, as usual, need to stop crying and buck up. We saw what happened with SNAP cock roaches in Louisiana and other places when the computer system to read their cards went ddown. They became common thieves. Yes, it is past time to start reforming the SNAP program of government dependency.

Time For Everyone To Tighten Those Belts

Also on the SNAP benefit front is a 13% decrease Beginning in November. Many American families have had to make sacrifices as Obama's reign continues and incomes continue to drop as fuel prices rise. Welcome to reality SNAP recipients. The country is going broke so you need to pitch in and help turn that around too. The average stipend for a family will go from $275 a month to $239 so they'll have to adjust like many of us already have had to and not riot in the grocery stores like they did in Louisiana.

Part of what has been propping up SNAP was Obama's stimupork bill and that well is dry in SNAPville. While some in society have been talking on their Obamaphones and seem fixated on reality TV and eating their Cheetos and probably haven't paid attention to the coming cuts. We'll see how they react when the real "reality" light comes on.

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As Always,

The Frog Prince

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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

All welfare should be taken away from the feds. States should have their own, to be doled out at the local level by agents who know who really needs it.

In my young liberal days, I worked on a federal welfare program and quickly saw that most recipients were actually just lazy slugs who knew how to work the system. All but one of my clients were white, and the sole black was a sweet old lady who was very needy.


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breakfastpop 3 years ago

Here's some "food" for thought. Lots of people are trading in their food stamps for cold hard cash. I guess they are not hungry after all.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

BPOP - The video here illustrates part of the mindset of liberal lawmakers. Gambling & casinos on SNAP? Really?


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breakfastpop 3 years ago

It makes sense if you remember that this is our pathetic government hard at work screwing up everything they touch.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

More money was spent on getting people to sign up for Food Stamps than was spent on job creation.

Based on this, my thinking is that just like Obamacare, the Snap program is nothing more than another way to control the people.

Their thinking is, "If I feed you, I own you." It is just that simple folks.

Why would any administration put more effort into getting folks on the Entitlement programs than they would keeping them off?

It really is all about control, they could care less if people have nothing to eat.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Great article, Obama, president of the screw ups, the incompetents, and other losers!


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

gm - It's amazing how many Americans fit into that category, and if they don't, were stupid enough to be fooled by a fraud two times.

TFP


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Frog, there are plenty of fools out there. I have heard that ALL legitimate, low cost legitimate health care plans will cancelled and placed under Obama"care". Well, WE ALL know what that means? That idiot Obama should LEAVE well enough alone! VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE in 2016!


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poetvix 3 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

I recently read a story about food stamps for sale on ebay. If folks can afford to sell them, there's room for some trimming back though I do feel for families who use the system correctly for stop gap assistance and have small children to feed. The American economy is in for a very bumpy ride and it will effect everyone. I hope all of those who voted for Sir Spends a Lot will consider getting someone in office who can fix it while we might still have some time left.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Poetvix - Those who are the abusers cause those who need it to be caste in their lot.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Breakfastpop, so nice to see and hear from you again. You are so valuable and will be MISSED!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

The hard push to get as many as possible on food stamps is not, and never was about food. Sure, some would not have anything to eat if there was not a food stamp program, but this is perhaps one of the most abused "Entitlement" programs there is.

This administration has gone out of their way to make it as easy as possible for people NOT TO WORK. Heck with Food Stamps, WIC, Section 8 housing, and all the other available entitlements why should they work? On top of that, many get an Earned Income Credit tax return.

Now what genius ever came up with the name Earned Income Credit when there was no income?

As I said above, all of this is about control and nothing else. If I get all of my entitlements plus a few free cell phones, why should I work? Buy gas at over $3 per gallon to drive back and forth to my minimum wage job? Heck, many can't afford to work and do much better staying on entitlements.


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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"The hard push to get as many as possible on food stamps is not, and never was about food"

Exactly. It's all about buying new Democrat voters and expanding government power.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Democrats are pandering to the lowest common denominator. I am ashamed of my party. I am also ashamed of Liberals. What happened to accountability, CORRECT life choices and responsibility. Nothing in life is FREE. Dependence on the government comes at a HIGH price. When one is dependent upon government, HE/SHE becomes A SLAVE. When will Liberals realize this?

I, as a Liberal Democrat, believe in pulling one's weight in the world. If one wants to live well, strategize, educate, make sacrifices, and work smart. Also, make smart life and career choices. That is not too much to ask. Many people are poor because they made stupid life choices. When I say this, many of my "fellow" Liberals go into attack mode. I have forum threads regarding this and welfare. When I mentioned welfare Frog and WillStarr, certain poster such as j------k and JH attack me for being clueless and heartless. Yes, I stated that many people are poor in this country because of stupid and careless life choices. If this was not thus, why is there multi-generational welfare. Please spare me the drama that it is not the welfare recipient who elect to choose this lifestyle. I, for one, am sick of this rescue me attitude and excuse making. I am venomously irate at this. Let me write some hubs instead of venting. Venting is just a useless venture. Some tough love must be applied to such parasites. Yes, I said it-parasites!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

gmwilliams - Awesome and truthful comment. I second everything you had to say. Parasites is the correct word to use when describing those who contribute nothing but take so much.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

gm - There is a difference between a liberal and a Progressive. We are having to deal with the most ideological progressive to ever be in American politics. Democrats in C.ongress are thick with progressives doing Obama's bidding. Your party needs to cleanse its ranks.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Frog and Poolman, I am listening to youtube and a GOP member indicated that he cannot stand the sight of Obama. Neither can I and a lot of people! I hated Bush but I hate Obama 100 X more! We have to bring strict meritocracy back. We all get in life what we exert. This coddling the insolent poor is akin to admitting D students to college, really now!


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

gm - Here's an accurate account of what you are referring to. The info came from Dick Durbin of Illinois fame who is a known lying hypocrite himself.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3...

He alleged it on a Facebook post so there ya go.


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John Holden 3 years ago

If it is OK for people to work for food stamps why is it not OK to let them work for real wages?


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Your question makes no sense John. Did you read the Hub entirely?


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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"If it is OK for people to work for food stamps why is it not OK to let them work for real wages?"

What are you talking about?


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John Holden 3 years ago

Exactly what I said - if it is OK for people to work for food stamps why is it not OK to let them work for wages?

The opening sentence says

"Now why would those meanie Republicans want any able bodied person to actually work for food stamps? "

nothing beyond that contradicts it.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

John - My guess would be that if food stamps recipients were required to perform work to get food stamps, many would return to working for wages and not need food stamps any longer.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Mr. Poolman, you are correct. If food stamps recipients had to work, there would be little need for food stamps or any other form of welfare! Please ignore John and his inane politics. He has NOTHING worthwhile to say. The INTELLIGENT GROWN UPS are talking now!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

gmwilliams - I suspect that John may have a personal interest in food stamps without having to work for them.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Hmmmmm..........


Stu 3 years ago

Something has to be done here. When work requirements were added to food stamps, the benefit rolls declined 50%. When the requirements were removed, the benefit rolls soared up again. I admit that due to the current lack of jobs, adding work requirements back in won't have as much of an effect as it did earlier, but it would still save the taxpayer something. The problem is that nobody is willing to give up anything. So we'll run $1 trillion plus deficits as far as the eye can see.


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John Holden 3 years ago

No Old Poolman, give them jobs and the majority would be happy to work for wages rather than relying on crumbs from the fat man's table.

And no, I have no personal interest in food stamps, in this country we don't humiliate many people. My interest is in countering right wing claims that there is unlimited employment and people are only unemployed through their own choice.

That there is no work is a fact that many self proclaimed intelligent grown ups seem totally blind to.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - John seems to be a little dense. There are people below the poverty level that do work and need the assistance to eat properly. Then there are the slugs in life who have no inclination to work at anything but putting their hand out. Many of them are single while they are doing that. It might be better if John does some extensive reading and less yammering. His initial statement makes absolutely no sense.

When any idiot starts in with the "right wing" claims crap then I see their motivation. I never said there is unlimited employment so evidently if John will now take the time to remove his foot from his mouth and read with comprehension he might be able to connect the dots correctly.

I alsso believe in "Workfare" rather than "Welfare" but that might really upset John. So there ya go.

The Frog


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John Holden 3 years ago

If you admit that there is not unlimited employment, why penalise folk for being unemployed?


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

John - Your argument is illogical and circular in nature and many posters here have drawn you a picture. Even I have. In this country, which you obviously know little about and should stay out of our affairs, there is a poverty line concerning income. People who fall below that poverty line qualify for SNAP benefits. As I said, rather than beat your gums start researching before slamming that foot of yours in your chops. You aren't in the category of your last sentence so that's a real relief to the rest of us here on this thread.

We kicked you out of this country way back when and don't need your input even today. Imagine that.

John - Read the provision I listed in that bill very, very carefully.

The Frog


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John Holden 3 years ago

Nope, I've never been kicked out of your country, been a welcome guest but left of my own free will.

To prove that I have actually read your hub, what does

"They are targeted at those able bodied individuals who zero dependents other than themselves." mean?

I rather think it is you who should read your hub very, very carefully.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

That means "SINGLE" John. That means they can work and they choose not to John. That's written in ENGLISH John. I wrote my Hub so grab your dunce cap and go sit in the corner John. You have a read comprehension problem obviously.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

John - I have visited your country several times, but that doesn't make me an expert on your politics.

I often communicate with friends in your country, and from what they tell me all is not well where you live.

This country was doing just fine until our local socialists were able to convince many of our citizens that every so called wealthy person is pure evil. Those who worked hard, saved money, got an education, and started a business are just greedy uncaring individuals is the message they deliver. These socialist/communist types even teach at many of our colleges and universities and spread this message to the young minds in their classrooms.

These hard working individuals who started business's that employ thousands of people are evil according to them. It is far better to just take away some of their money and "give" it to those with little or no ambition. They call this redistribution of wealth.

They expanded this program to the point where the uneducated and unskilled with little or no ambition can actually get more money by NOT WORKING. As more and more got on this something for nothing program, our government must take even more money away from those who work hard to give to those who don't want to work.

John, this should sound familiar to you because this same thing is happening in your country. I suggest you take a really hard look at your own politics and clean up your own mess. Unless of course you are on the receiving end of the money flow in which case you would not want it to end. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you are a firm believer in redistribution of wealth as long as it is not your wealth.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - As one of John's own leaders stated so eloquently, "Socialism is fine until you run out of other people's money." I have gathered by John's comments that he is a stone cold socialist and they still exists in the UK.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, I would have to agree with your assessment.


WBraden 3 years ago

Im on Food Stamps, God I would love to work. Please, I know I would get a real job if an employer had 5 mins with me.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

WBraden - I feel for you. I know where I live I see more and more help wanted signs starting to show up in the windows of business's around town. Perhaps that means things are getting better.

Sadly, these are now part time jobs due to the regulations of Obamacare. I'm not sure that a part time job would provide enough income to allow you to give up the food stamps. When you add the expense of commuting to and from a part time possibly minimum wage job, you might be better off keeping the food stamps.

Only highly skilled workers seem to be getting full time employment. If our government would spend as much on job training as they do on entitlements, the need for food stamps would decline.

Your not alone, our broken system is at fault.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

WBraden - This article is mainly informational though some want to take the contents personally. I wish you well in your job hunt too. But as OP points out above this whole fiasco called Obamacare is making the employment situation become worse. Interpreting a full time work week as 30 hours has a very detrimental effect to making business decisions. I own my own business so I see that side of it.

What this addresses is two fold. One has to do with single able bodied citizens who are abusing the SNAP system. The SNAP system is known to be the biggest offender of fraud, waste and abuse. The other is to inform, and I hope you got it, that the benefits are taking a 13% cut on the 1st of November.

The Frog


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John Holden 3 years ago

Frog, like you, when Thatcher made that comment about socialism she failed miserably to understand socialism. It is in fact capitalism that is fine until (like now) it runs out of other peoples money.

Unlike capitalism socialism does not rely on other peoples money.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Go away Holden. You make no sense at all. Pay your high taxes in Britain and leave this nation alone. Get it? You have no idea about much here and are probably held in disdain in your own country too. No more appearances with your BS will be tolerated on this thread.

If you don't believe me then try it son.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Uhhh John, I think you have been badly misinformed by someone. Socialism sets limits on what any individual can achieve no matter how hard and smart they work. But then I guess that is the lifestyle you prefer.

Capitalism works just fine for anyone willing to work. It is the need for them to support those not willing to work that is the problem.

I suggest you just keep hoping your system never changes because you would be lost if you had to earn your own keep.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - Holden is the poster I mentioned previously that I had to delete his out of line comments. I will continue to do so. He's a left wing nutjob.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim - Holden has been here before and is a hardcore socialist. Nothing will ever change his mind on how the world should work. Very few in this country would trade our government for his government so let him rant.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - He can write his own Hubs and rant away. His remarks don't contribute a thing to the discussion here so I will use my delete button to moderate and stay on topic. He's just a mad socialist and needs to butt out of American politics since he doesn't know a dammed thing about it.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Keep deleting John's post Frog. He is in the habit of constantly harassing those whose political viewpoints are different. He constantly does this in the political/social issues forums. I should know. He continuously trolls me! He does it to be asinine! Frog, he is beyond a mad socialist-he is a stark raving mad communist!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

gmwilliams - I would guess that John's political viewpoints are different than 99% of the people on Hub Pages. Even our far left trolls don't hold a candle to John.


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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"No Old Poolman, give them jobs and the majority would be happy to work for wages rather than relying on crumbs from the fat man's table."

That was not my experience at all when I used to work with welfare recipients. There is a parasitic class who will happily live off the hard work of others, and without a shred of pride or remorse. In fact, they laugh at those of us they consider 'suckers'.

I met very few who would rather have worked for a living. Very few.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

@Mr. Poolman, I have NEVER encountered anyone like John in my life. Oh no, let me stand corrected. I attended college with such a person. He attended college on an assistance program. His ideas were the exact replicas of John. He was a poor student and was laughable to say the least. This person believed that NO ONE should have made over six figures as it was not fair to the poor. Exact John!

@ Mr. Starr, the average welfare recipient wants to game the system. He/she will tell you that he/she has more money in welfare than actually working. The average welfare recipient indicated that work is for suckers. In college, there was a woman on welfare who stated "how hard it was for her to make ends meet". She further indicated that more monies should be allotted to her and that NO ONE should make over $100,000k a year. No, Mr. Starr, they do not want to work for a living-that would be too difficult or smacks of accountability and responsibility!


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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"The average welfare recipient indicated that work is for suckers."

Exactly.

Later, when I was in the business of hiring, I often stopped and offered the 'will work for food' people a good paying ($15 per hour) job, but no one ever accepted the offer. They make more than that panhandling.

The Hollywood depiction of folks just down on their luck is almost always not the case. Most are simply human parasites.

And they vote for Democrats.

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