Which Came First: the Chicken or the Conservative Christian?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

These are all well-known sayings in our American culture. And now we have a new one. Chick-Fil-A will now forever be linked to the debate over same sex marriage vs. traditional marriage.

Instead of “Do you want fries with that?” you might expect to be asked “Do you want your first amendment rights with that?” Do you think this was ever really part of CFA's marketing strategy for 2012? Probably not. A high profile person in our society was simply asked a question because he has a reputation for being a Christian who puts his faith into practical application in running a very successful business. He answered. And the rest, as we say, is history, or as these things go in today’s America, the rest is histrionics.

Billy Roberts of the Publicqueue recently posted that Christians should be concerned about the call to publicly support Chick-fil-A and their leaders for taking a stand against gay marriage and in defense of traditional marriage. Thousands turned out for Chick-Fil-A appreciation day in order to do just that. What’s the problem? Why should Christians feel one way or the other about it?

Roberts said, “Making public spectacles out of one man’s (or even one organization) stance does nothing to love our neighbor as ourselves. In fact, it does just the opposite. It says, “I support this stance no matter who is ostracized in the process.”

In contemporary parlance, what would Jesus do? Would he take a side? Would he get involved? Would he be motivated to make sure people had no doubt where he stood on the issue?

Looking back at the historical setting Jesus was born into, do you think the politics of the day weighed very heavily on the decisions he made?

His homeland was under occupation by the most powerful empire of its day.

There was an undercurrent of rebellion running through his country, his community, and his synagogue.

News of his birth caused the slaughter of baby boys throughout the nation because the King feared any threat to his own power.

His very parentage was questioned his entire life, along with this motives and his message.

And how did he respond? How much of his time and energy did he spend on the political issues of his day? He gave two priorities to his followers.

l. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

How did we get from those two simple directives to standing in line for hours in the hot August sun, waiting to buy a chicken sandwich?

Sometime around the mid-1980s Christians discovered something. They found the dog-eat-dog world, gladiator-style battle of mid twentieth century politics was fun. It was exciting. It could get your face on television and your picture in the paper. It could get you interviewed during political party conventions and get your voting block a role in elections and the passage (or not) of legislation at the highest levels in the land. They also learned that all this activity was a lot more fun than just going to church business meetings, holding Vacation Bible School every summer, and visiting the sick and the shut-in. In other words, politics was more interesting and exciting than plain old religion.

That discovery has brought us to this point in time when Christians are asked, not to give to the poor, or feed the hungry, or house the homeless, but to buy a chicken sandwich to show that they stand on the side of conservative Christian values. Why didn’t somebody just say this a long time ago? This is way easier than teaching a class of six-year-olds for a week (used to be two) during summer break. It’s a lot less trouble than teaching a Sunday School class, or giving money to build an orphanage in the middle east or to dig wells in Africa.

Can I offer a suggestion to well-meaning Christians who would sincerely like to do something worthwhile to bring people into the welcoming folds of their religion? Before you do anything for any cause, ask yourself if there is any chance someone might come to know the Jesus you know through what you are being asked to do? If the answer is probably not, then give your time and energy and resources to an endeavor that might.

“It worries me that Christianity (in particular American Evangelical Christianity) is becoming more defined by what it is against than for how it serves and welcomes the way Jesus did,” Roberts said. It worries me too. But what worries me even more is that I suspect it pleases Satan to no end to see so many Christians thinking they are doing the right thing - when they are not.


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Jackwms 4 years ago

Kathleen... Your hub is interesting and well written, but I don't see that you addressed the major point concerning the company CEO giving millions of dollars to anti gay and anti gay marriage causes. His beliefs and what he says are his his own business, but funding these causes really steps over the line.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Jackwms: I appreciate there are many sides to this story, including some cities stating they would refuse permits for CFAs in their communities because of the CEO's statements and actions. I only chose to address one point. I'm not familiar enough with the other sides to write intelligently about them.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and even more to comment.


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Green Lotus 4 years ago from Atlanta, GA

This will prove to be an interest thread as is your Hub! I agree with your stand "that Christianity ....is becoming more defined by what it is against than for how it serves and welcomes the way Jesus did".


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thanks for the comment. I'm getting lots of reads but not many comments. Sometimes that's a result of how I write. Being on old reporter I tend to not take sides on a issue, just throw it out there to see what sticks. I took a side this time, but probably not what was expectd.


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Jackwms 4 years ago

Kathleen, there should be no sides to this issue. The facts should not be debatable. Of course, it is CFA's first amendment right to say what they want and to make their religious beliefs known. They cross the line when they fund causes (millions of dollars) that trample other people's beliefs and try to take away those people's rights. If it wasn't for that, I doubt most people would quibble.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Besides free speech, a person can do anything legal with their own money. I'm not concerned in this piece with CFA's CEO or what he does with his money. I'm concerned with the Christian community's response to the current situation, and I think we have our priorities wrong. If CFA is taking away people's rights, how should Christians respond?


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Jackwms, Christians make their beliefs known when they go on the mission field. They provide money, food and clothing to meet the needs of the people and they share the gospel. Jesus' last command was to do just that - Matthew 28:19-20. I don't see Christians showing their support as not being loving. The people in line were orderly and spent their money where they wanted to.

Starbucks, Yahoo, Microsoft and others support gay and lesbian causes. There is no problem with that. Why should Chick-Fil-A's philanthropy be more troubling.

Kathleen I don't see what rights the Christians are taking away by eating at Chick-Fil-A.

There was a time that some black people complained about Asians bringing nail shops and beauty supplies into the black community. This annoyed me no end. Just don't shop there - no problem. Supporters of same sex marriage don't have to eat at Chick-Fil-A.


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Jackwms 4 years ago

dianetrotter... What you say is true, but you did not read, or , at least, understand what I wrote. Read again: They cross the line when they fund causes (millions of dollars) that trample other people's beliefs and try to take away those people's rights. That is the root of the problem here, not their religion or political beliefs. That is NOT being loving.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

I read it. If I understood correctly, you were sayingthat Chick-Fil-A should not make donations to organizations that trample over people's beliefs. Right?


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

dianetrotter and Jackwms: Diane, thanks for reading and commenting, but this conversation seems to be between the two of you, so I'm going to let y'all have your say and I'm going to listen.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

I'm sorry Kathleen! Jack, did I understand correctly? If not, I apologize. If donations to organizations trample over people's beliefs, the Bible does a whole lot of that. Following the logic of "trampling on people's beliefs", Google, Starbucks, Yahoo and others who contribute to gay/lesbian causes are trampling on the beliefs of those who trust the Bible for guidance. Doesn't it balance out?


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

No need to apologize Diane. This is a hub to exchange points of view and hopefully encourage each other. I don't have a problem with y'all's conversation. Glad to facilitate it.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Kathleen - There are many issues which could be examined in this situation, but I appreciate and applaud the emphasis you selected. As a child I was raised in an evangelical church (Some would say fundamentalist, although at most it was "fundamentalist light.")

I remember many things about the churches of my youth: the food pantry stocked and available to those in need, an unofficial network of men who helped others find employment, free English classes for anyone who wanted to take them - no questions asked, support for local shelters - both for the homeless and for battered women, money sent to support various overseas missions, volunteers who ran vacation bible schools - collected and repaired clothing, prepared baskets of food for needy families - and not just at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I could go on.

What you are addressing should be of great concern to us; it should dismay us. The church of my childhood has evolved tremendously over the past forty years. Now, it stresses a strident, fundamentalist emphasis upon political engagement. Hardly the example Jesus set...and if w are religious people, is there any other example we should we be patterning out life after?

As the critical rhetoric, and self-righteous marching, and angry public denunciations increase, I see less and less emphasis upon kindness, generosity, service, humility, charity...all traits which Jesus clearly taught and modeled. Something has gone quite wrong as some American denominations have enthusiastically embraced this shift to "partisan politics" and away from New Testament teaching."

Thank you for an important and much needed reminder of what truly lies at the heart of religion. Sharing.


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suzettenaples 4 years ago from Taos, NM

WWJD? He would use this as a teachable moment as you did Kathleen. This is such a wonderful article on the Chick-fil-A controversy. It is well said, well written and well done. I can't believe we live in a world where Christians are defined by whom they exclude and not by whom they include. Jesus was all about gathering everyone to the table, and he did just that. I can't believe what people do today in the name of Christianity. So many of the fundamentalist believers have missed the true teachings of Christ. This is a wonderful article that intelligently sums this all up. Voted up!


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

phdast7: Thank you for your "Amen" to this hub. You've added a great deal to it with your comments. I hope well-intentioned people will be drawn to reflect on this and not only see judgement on my part.

There is a lot that could be written and will be written on this situation involving CFA and the gay and Christian community. I hope this hub and other articles like it (I was prompted to write this because of an article that was shared with me) help us remember to "Keep the Main Thing The Main Thing." Remember that saying?


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US

Jesus always said, "Go and sin no more!" I think those of us who know Him know whose side He is on. Not the side of Christians who go along with anything and everything to be politically correct you can be sure. What did Jesus do at that temple where men were misusing it? We saw a different side to Jesus there, He was not a pansy.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

suzettenaples: So glad this one spoke to you. My purpose is not to fan the flames of contraversy, but to express what is on my heart. I know I hit my point pretty hard, but I felt it was a necessry point to make in agrement with others who had already bravely made it.


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rebeccamealey 4 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

Great article on that crazy goings on. You are so right about WWJD. I love the reference to histrionics! That's a good way to put it.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Pollyannalana: You are right in your quote. And he could of had the woman caught in adultry killed. It was the law and he had every right to enforce it, but he didn't. He wasn't concerned with being politically correct.

I doubt there is any question about where Christians stand on homosexuality. The question is, in light of our faith, how do we treat those people? Thanks for your comments. All views are welcome.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

rebeccamealey: Welcome to the discussion and thanks for your comments.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Pollyanna, I appreciate your comments. I didn't see CFA patrons cursing, being angry, carrying anti-SSA sins, etc. I saw hundreds of thousands of people encouraging a brother who was under attack, supporting a person's right to free speech, or just going to buy some chicken. They spent their money there.

Protestors wanted to detract from the business. That is not a noble effort. I am very interested in this and follow very closely.http://hubpages.com/politics/Chick-Cha-Ching-follo...


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

This is a tough one.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Diane - You and I are not enemies or even in opposite camps. But I would like to suggest another way of viewing this situation. I completely agree with you, I do not think the CFA patrons behaved badly.

But I disagree that the other set of protestors were primarily interested in detracting from the business. They have a legitimate concern (whether you or I agree with it, does not mean it is not a genuine concern from their perspective) and they wanted to draw public attention to their concern.

So my alternate perspective question is: In America, how is their "right to free speech" any less important than the CFA's owner (he is free to state his beliefs and to donate money - protesters may be irritating, but they cannot prevent his donations) or the other CFA patrons? Either we all are guaranteed "free speech" or if not, the consequences are quite scary and unacceptable to me.

If we stand by while one group is prevented from speaking publicly (within legal limits of course), none of us can be sure that our rights will be protected -- who will stand up for us when some other group tries to shut us down and take our free speech away?

I do not say this lightly or casually. I study and teach about Nazi Germany. The Nazis eliminated free speech altogether and punished people terribly when they tried to speak out. Of course I am equally horrified by the Neo-Nazi movements of the 20th and 21st centuries, But...

About 20 years ago I was watching an early morning talk show and they had footage of a dreadful Neo-Nazi rally in a public place. These people and what they stand for are absolutely abhorrent to me. My first reaction was, "It should be illegal for them to march and spew their racist and ungodly hatred in public. No neo-Nazi group should ever be granted a permit!"

Just then I saw a quiet and well-behaved group of Christians and Jews who had come to the public rally to indicate their complete disapproval of Neo-Nazi beliefs and their support for all Americans of every creed, color, and background.

I was shocked....at my own reaction. Because I had not realized until that moment that my desire to "deny Nazis a permit" meant that someone else could "deny the Christians and Jews a permit." They are connected; either we insist on protection for everyone or we risk losing it ourselves.

We have to be so careful about how we want the"other side or position" treated, because once a protective law doesn't apply to them, it is only a matter of time before it won't protect us. That is one of the major lessons of the Nazi period.

No matter how distasteful I may find someone's beliefs, I will forever defend their right to gather and speak publicly. Now I will also exercise my right to speak (and write) publicly to explain where I think they have gone wrong. And only when their actions are illegal and physically harmful to others do I want our police and judicial systems to step in.

I know this was long and I do thank you for listening. Theresa


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peoplepower73 4 years ago from Placentia California

A very well written article. I liked the way you supported your point at the very end. There is a saying: "Don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes." Our son just came out as a gay person and until one has someone someone close to them who has come out, it's hard to be empathic. We accept him with out any drama and continue to love and support him. And I'm still eating at Chick-Fil-A and enjoying their number 2 meal.


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udontnomi 4 years ago from intense introspection

I think I know what Jesus would do. He would grab a sandwich and a shake. He would challenge anyone without sin to cast the first stone. As the crowd skulks off, he would turn to the gay couple and the CEO and say, "Is there no one here to judge you? Neither will I. Go and sin no more."

What we really need is People Power!


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Great comments. I'm headed to my mother in laws for Sunday Dinner (which will probably be Chick-Fil-A) and will respond to these wonderful comments later in the day. Thanks for your well-expressed thoughts.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

While many protestors behaved well, there were those who shouted at people going in and out. One lady paid a customer to throw her food away. I don't see how that helped their cause because the customer received $20. She could then buy 2 meals as opposed to one.

The real issue is when this comes to a vote in every state so far the vote is against same sex marriage. People are exercising their voting right. This is the heart of the issue, the vote, not rather a person can do what he/she wants to do.


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udontnomi 4 years ago from intense introspection

No! Not Chick-Fil-A! Go out for Indian food.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Diane - I have been shouted at by any number of protesters for liberal and conservative causes just because I happened to be walking by. I didn't especially like it, but it didn't hurt me either, and what is really important is that "shouting" in public spaces is not illegal. [Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is different. It can lead to injury and even death.]

And I don't really think we want shouting in public to be illegal, because an awful lot of people in both political camps would find themselves sitting in jail right now as we write. Now if the shouts contained threats of bodily harm, then the Police should have been called.

If someone tries to barge into my house or your house, any house (the issue is private property which is protected) I will be the first to call the the Police. But "public space is public space" where we can "all" exercise out constitutionally-guaranteed right of free speech.

Now , I also think the lady who paid someone $20 to throw away perfectly good food, and the lady who threw her food away are both way off the mark. That was senseless, emotional, wasteful, pointless, and rather ignorant. I hope someone within her group sat her down later in private and had a reasonable discussion about appropriate behavior and actions.

You are correct of course, this issue -- just like so many others -- is decided by votes held in individual states. The right to vote is one of our most important liberties, but so is the right to discuss, argue, attend a rally, donate to the causes of our choice, work for an election campaign, and speak our mind "publicly" on an issue before, during, and after every vote.

I don't always like or agree with what I hear, but other people have the same right to try and persuade me to change my opinion, that I have to try and persuade them to change their opinion. That is the essence of democracy -- unless we are threatening harm, we are "free" to speak, to discuss, to write, and to vote.


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udontnomi 4 years ago from intense introspection

"shouting in public spaces is not illegal." Sure it is.

"I don't really think we want shouting in public to be illega." lSure you do.

"Disturbing the peace" is already illegal, everywhere." Be respectful, or learn the lesson. If you can't control yourself in public . . . watch Fox News and shout at the TV.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

If you don't mind, can you tell me what was shouted at you or is this not related to CFA. If you were protesting and someone shouted at you, I hoped somone else told the person to stop. I wouldn't want to be part of any group that is contentious and rowdy.

To ensure order in the classroom, teachers ask students to raise their hands when they have a question. Shouting tends to raise tension in a situation and some others usually shout and chaos is created.

I like writing online because we are able to discuss. I don't consider it arguing. If it seems like I'm not making my point life isn't over. I don't continue to push it.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Diane - I do not mind answering your question and I appreciate your concern for anyone who is shouted at. But I am not personally involved with the CFA protests; I was trying to make a generic comparison.

I was referring to a couple of times in the past when I was walking down a street to go shopping, or into my local library.....I was shouted at by protesters. They wanted everyone who passed by to join their group of course.

When I kept walking, they shouted that I "must not have any strong convictions," "must not care about the oceans," "must think cowardice is a good thing." It was a few members of the large group.

Yes, they were rude and yes they were insulting, but to shout a couple of times at a passer-by is not illegal. I hope somebody at the rally spoke to them and if I had been there as part of the rally, I would have spoken to them.

People in groups and crowds, whether on the left, right, or middle get excited and intense and sometimes temporarily lose their manners and even their common sense. But I was free to keep walking, so no harm , no foul. That was really the point I was trying to make earlier, but I wasn't very clear.

I am a class room teacher and I know exactly what you are talking about. I am not sure I can compare the behavior of minor students taking a class to learn with adults who are speaking, and unfortunately shouting in a public space.

If they obstructed entry to the building or were standing on private property illegally, then they could have been dispersed or arrested by Police. But that would have been the manager's call, and apparently he/she took the "high road" offering them lemonade.

I did not think we were arguing;I thought we were both being very civil even though we clearly disagreed. I too appreciate HP as a place in which to discuss issues. I misunderstood your responses....I thought you wanted to engage in discussion. But if you don't that is fine. I will not address any more comments to you. My apologies.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

@ph, I was with you until misunderstanding of my responses. Thank you for your response!


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

OK. Boy I missed a lot going to lunch. I don't think I need to add anything to this discussion.

Peoplepower73: "Don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes." We should all be reminded of this from time to time. Your son is lucky to have an understanding family. Personally, I think it is easy to be "against" a group of people when you don't know anyone in that group. Once you have some gay friends things are not so black and white.

udontkomi: Love your handle. Thanks for chiming in. Welcome to my hubs.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

yep! You can't go to lunch or to sleep


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Diane: I am grateful for the group of people who have participated in this discussion and how everyone has conducted themselves.

I was recently one of 16 hubbers who collaborated on a series on ageing that ran through the month of July. I was so impressed by the group, but it's obvious there are many, many hubbers of high quality and character on HubPages. I'm so glad I attracted some of you to this discussion.


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Angie Jardine 4 years ago from Cornwall, land of the eternally youthful mind ...

Good hub, Kathleen ...

Frankly, from this side of the pond, this whole thing looks like something a screen writer would dream up for a comedy film. Whatever happened to Jesus's instruction to love thy neighbour?

I've just read the Wikipedia entry for this Chick-Fil-A company and it looks like they're really into corporate bullying ... and now obviously being holier than thou.

For me that's yet another good reason for not eating at junk fast food outlets.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Sorry for my short response yesterday. It was topsy turvey and I wasn't myself. I came within an hairs breadth of being Quarked as I edited my comment.

I just want to say that I share your frustration. I know what the Bible says. I don't think I am supposed to be against anyone. if I am to go on a crusade, it should be against poverty, homelessness, and oppression. According to the book, I am not a worthy judge. I can live with that.

What do people see of the Church? Everyone knows that many of the most prominent leaders carry the Lord's money in a leaky bucket. Nice suit!

Satan? Demons sell tickets to the show. They pulse with demonic delight as they relish the action in the sold out arena.

It's all good. I read the book. God wins in the end.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Amen. Well said. And I do know you.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Thank you Kathleen! You are a gracious hostess.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Angie: Sorry for the delay in responding. In all fairness, until last week Chick-fil-A was best known for being closed on Sunday and providing college scholarships to its employees to a great private college in north Georgia that would probably be impossible for these kids to attend otherwise. I'm as sorry as anyone to see their name sullied, but it appears they brought this on themselves. I don't see anything good coming out of it. I really don't see the point.


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Mitch Alan 4 years ago from South Jersey

The support for Chick-fil-A was two fold. Some were there to support the 1st Amendment rights of an individual to state his beliefs and some were there in support of traditional marriage. It was not anti-gay, but pro-Biblical marriage. There was not hate in his statement at all. There is an answer to fix the whole same-sex amrriage debate (I have a hub on it) that would end the issue once and for all.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Mitch Alan: I'll take a look at your hub. I'm grateful for your comments. I'm not sure the intent of the supporters was the message that came across, which is always a risk you take when trying to take a stand on an issue. Thanks again for the read and the comments. Welcome to my hubs.


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Cathy did not volunteer an answer. He was asked a question and he answered it. When the question is asked, most often the questioner already knows the answer. It is my experience that people are expected to follow a leader. For example, I was asked how I felt about an upcoing property tax initiative. The questioner was shocked at my answer and told me how someone else was voting. People are allowed their own opinions. People should be able to eat wherever they want.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Diane: "People are allowed their own opinions. People should be able to eat wherever they want.: Yes they should.


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Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

"Sometime around the mid-1980s Christians discovered something. They found the dog-eat-dog world, gladiator-style battle of mid twentieth century politics was fun." - I would argue that Institutionalized Religion has been meddling in the governing of countries for ... endless centuries, I guess. We just have to think of the power of the Vatican in the Middle Ages, how kings and queens of Europe had to bow down to Rome ...

There are the pious, faithful believers and then, there are those who profit from institutionalized religion and they do not care much about spiritual matters. Again, we just have to look at the news and hear about all the corruption within the Vatican and considering the Vatican has been around for a while, I am sure that corruption has had a home there for a long time as well.

I do think that there is a risk of problems appearing when Spiritual leaders get involved in money matters. Power corrupts those who's Spirit is weak.

I enjoyed the read. Thank You for putting this piece of writing together.

All the best!


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peoplepower73 4 years ago from Placentia California

People of blind faith is exactly what the converative movement is looking for to use as a voting bloc. Ralph Reed, the leader of the Faith and Freedom Coalition uses the faith of the evangalical christians that have faith in their religion to project that same unquestioning faith into the conservative momvement. It works perfectly. If you have faith in something you don't question it. It just what the movement needs.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Mr. Happy, You've put this current situation into historical context, which gives it an entirely new dimension. Very interesting.

Power corrupts those who's Spirit is weak - My husband always says the more rules you have the less faith you need. Thanks for moving this discussion to a new level.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

I think you've hit on a basic point, which is why people feel so strongly about their positions and will not budge an inch. Politics have been injected into their faith and even the hint of compromise seems like an assault on their belief system. You can't doubt their sincerity - it's just misplaced.


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Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Thank You for the comment left Mrs. Katleen. I like the saying your husband has. I like it even more if we turn it around and say: "The more faith we have, the less rules we need." Therefore, realizing we are Spiritual beings inhabiting these bodies, would be a good start. : )

Have a great week-end!

Cheers.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

The reversal is just as powerful - if not more so.

I think we are all looking for evidence that we are more spiritual than the next believer. Satan has a field day with it. He especially likes it when we enjoy beating up non-believers with our spirituality, which is where politics comes into religion. Would you say?


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JayeWisdom 4 years ago from Deep South, USA

Excellent hub, Kathleen. I'm not sure how I missed it the first time around.

“It worries me that Christianity (in particular American Evangelical Christianity) is becoming more defined by what it is against than for how it serves and welcomes the way Jesus did,” Roberts said.

It worries me, too, because I grew up being taught "Jesus is love," and that aspect of religion always attracted me more than anything else.

This tendency to be "against" things and groups of people rather than "serve and welcome" also worries me (even more) because of the political alliance with fundamentalists that's been created to take advantage of religious beliefs solely to further an altogether different agenda.

Jaye


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Glad to have your contribution to this discussion. I fear becoming too "against" the political Christian Right, but often they push me to the point I feel I must push back. I hope I can just disagree.


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always exploring 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

I do not know of one church that would welcome a homosexual into their ' fold ' Are we not to love everyone? Who are we to judge another? If we all would follow ' The golden rule, ' including politicians, the world would be at peace and greed would cease to exist. Great Hub..Thank you..


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Always, the church that I am a member of welcomes all people as did the past two churches I was a member of. What they don't do is recognize homosexuality as pleasing to God. At the same time, they don't recognize premarital sex or extramarital sex as pleasing to God. They do not recognize divorce as pleasing to God. They do not hate people who are involved in any of the above because there would be NOBODY in church. Everybody sins. The point is repentance, forgiveness, and restoration. That Westboro church is the only one that I heard of that "hates" homosexuals but I am sure there are others.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

always exploring and dianetrotter: Thanks for your thoughts and your experiences. Appreciate you taking the time to read this hub and to comment.


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Distant Mind 4 years ago

A very nice (useful, interesting and beautiful) hub. I support your point of view. Also voted up.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Distant Mind: Thanks for the read, the vote and the comment. Welcome to my hubs. Hope you enjoy some of the others.


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Hyphenbird 4 years ago from America-Broken But Still Beautiful

The article is very interesting and seems to have drawn many different reader viewpoints. I think you presented it very well and gave enough information without droning on and on. Thank you for that.

To my personally, it ultimately comes down to love. I can love someone without supporting or even tolerating their (in my mind) sinful ways. I am not required to fight for the rights of gays or for a restaurant. I am commanded to love every person and to help them. I will do that if they are gay or not, tall or short, white, black or any other color. The actions do not invalidate the human being. Both sides of this controversy would do well to remember that.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hyphenbird: You are most welcome. And what good points you made. Well said and another point of view. Welcome to my hubs. I can assure you they are not all on this subject.


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serenityjmiller 18 months ago from Brookings, SD

Nicely done. Still a timely message; sharing this one on Twitter.


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Kathleen Cochran 18 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

serenityjmiller: Love your name. I could use more of that quality from time to time. Thanks for the share. If you want to find some really good writers here on HP, I'd encourage you to check out some of the folks who most frequently comment on my hubs. I've had some great additions to my efforts because of them.


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dianetrotter 18 months ago from Fontana

Kathleen, I saw the topic and said, "Hmmm, I want to read that." I then saw that I had not only read it but been a full participant. It is interested how convo dies down and then blows up again.


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Kathleen Cochran 18 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

dianetrotter: My intention isn't to blow up a commotion, I promise you. It is to remind us who try to live like our Savior to keep our eyes on the example he set for us and not be distracted by lesser things. I'm sure you'd agree. Thanks for your comment and for taking the time to read this effort.

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