Why Do Conservatives Say “We Hate Government?

I have heard this ‘we hate government’ from the political right and one time when Rush Limbaugh criticized what he considered to be ‘group think’ by African Americans. He accused us as a group of ‘loving government’. Of course, I love order and parity, who wouldn’t?

Are these people mad? Even the strict interpreters of the Constitution have to acknowledge that a provision was made for the creation of a government for the young republic. How can anarchy be preferable to the orderly conduct of the people’s business? Do we not prefer that foundation for civilization as preferable to barbarism? If you say that you hate government is that not saying that you hate the rule of law and by extension, America itself? A function of Government is for people to live and interact without the threat of force or coercion. I have noted that:

1. Conservatives loathe the government regulatory and oversight role.

2. Conservatives seem to be unwilling to pay taxes, regardless of amount.


No Goverment Regulatory or Oversight Role

While the conservative celebrates ‘the individual”, we have to recognize that there are over 300 million individuals in America and it goes without saying that everybody cannot just do as they like. Is that an unreasonable assumption? Every sports contest between competing teams requires a referee. One team cannot just change the rules, the object of the game and obtain an outcome advantageous to itself by threatening to ‘knee cap’ team members of the opposing side. That sounds a lot more likeDodge Cityor Deadwood thanAmerica. Is not a referee obligated to watch and call ‘foul’ when one side is cheating? You remove the referee and you have a brawl between opposing sides. The Rightwinger wants to be able to exploit the other side in extralegal, unethical ways and not be identified and held accountable to pay any penalty. What better way is there to do that then to dispense with the referee? Who is going to accept that? The conservatives say that regulation places undue burden on business and increases their costs. They say that the “invisible hand” of the free market will make corrections to all imbalances. Well, the American consumer has been slapped by this invisible hand. Often times pummeled when the ‘hand’ goes for its brass knuckles. Capitalism has a foundation of human greed and selfishness, much of that is necessary to prod initiative and risk taking which is a positive thing. When it gets out of hand and threatens mutual interest of citizens with abuse outside of the purview of the profit motive that is where the referee steps in. The Rightwinger would love to create an environment where those with the most guns or most money are free to impose their will on everybody else, removing your right to any recourse or even to have your grievances heard. Sounds like something right off aHollywoodmovie set, Liberty Valence intimidates an entire town because he is the “fastest gun”.

Who is going to cry foul when?

An industrial firm pollutes the river rather than clean up its effluent as a way of cutting costs?

Short cuts are taken by airlines in aircraft maintenance by outsourcing to firms having mechanics with questionable credentials. How does that adversely affect being able to fly and arrive at your destination in one piece? Are planes falling out of the sky on a daily basis? No, but this is just one concession and compromise on a slippery slope that could prove dangerous for the flying public.

The financial markets are so corrupt that they take your mothers lifetime nest egg and squander it all inLas Vegaskinds of investments, in the wink of an eye. For these gluttons, that lifetime of savings is no more than a toothpick with which to clean their teeth. What about insider trading and the other vast examples unethical behavior that they want to shroud from the public view? This run away train is in my opinion the catalyst for the meltdown of 2008, which we are still reeling from today. These markets are determined not to be placed in a position of accepting more oversight of its activities, so how many other ‘Madoffs are still operating and making off with the hard earned savings of the unsuspecting? When the money changers and corporations complain, we must say ‘too bad’. It is the price of doing business within a society that has rules as to how the game is to be played.

My progressive inner voice tells me that no man is above the law and that there can be no man that cannot be held accountable for his behavior. That goes for the women, too. It is difficult to make those calls without anyone being assigned as a referee, but for the Rightwinger, this is all chocolate custard.

Truly, the only difference between an employee and a slave is a referee. So, I don’t have to tell you how the ‘right’ feels about employee unions. Nothing less than your total capitulation and unconditional surrender is acceptable to them. This is dangerous as they and their ideology must be treated as ‘dead on arrival’ by educated citizenry.


Conservatives seem to be unwilling to pay taxes, regardless of amount.

Yes, Virginia, Government costs money

We all have an aversion to taxes, but reading the conservative blogs, I get the distinct impression that they believe that they should not pay any taxes and that taxes are, rather then being a natural component of government, an imposition.

When I listen to the anencephlatic bimbo, Ann Coulter, the other day say that Public School teachers were leaches on the tax payer; I lost all of my ‘cookies’. Who does she think she is, better yet, who do these ‘people’ think they are? I suppose that the labor of these teachers is to be provided by them at no cost? This person, Ann Coulter, who it is obvious that I strongly dislike, is just throwing verbal bombs as the ‘high steppin’ strumpet that she is.

There is an abiding principle that everybody needs to pay their fair share. I am not saying that there is not waste in government use of our tax money, far from it. I am saying that you cannot “throw the baby out with the bath water”. I have to listen to Thurston Howell III complain about the tax rates on upper income earners, which have been the lowest in decades, as still too much. I have to offer cheese with the whine of those corporate entities, 66% of which pay no income tax because of endless deductions complain about taxes sapping their competitiveness. I just tend to think that they do not want to pay their fair share for services for which we all benefit.

I take so much for granted, I can go to a grocery market and pick up products that I can be reasonably confident won’t poison me. I can take solace in the fact that I can have a drink of water without picking up any number of waterborne diseases. How many alphabets can you find in your soup, EPA, USDA, FDA? Who are these public servants that work quietly on my behalf everyday? After all, I am fresh out of Geiger counters and portable bio-chemistry labs.

Who is it that makes sure that my flight from one destination to another remains safe, not just in screening passengers, but in the mechanical soundness of the aircraft? Who maintains the stop lights that operate without incidents, hundreds of times a day?

Without Underwriters Laboratories, I could never be confident that the electric appliance that I recently purchased would not electrocute me in its use.

At one time it was said that Thomas Jefferson was so well versed that he had a total understanding of the knowledge available in the world at that time. Who can say that today? Most of us are neither qualified nor have the time to be experts in so many disciplines which intersect with our lives daily. So there is your need for a referee. The Rightwinger is more than willing to take advantage of your lack of knowledge to pull ‘a slight of hand’. They also seek the ability to do this while not being held accountable in anyway.

I could go on forever with this, but you get the general idea. The job I once had involved keeping the private sector from overpricing in negotiated government contracts that would have to be paid by the taxpayer. I visited Kellogg’s ofBattle Creekone time; did you know that there are standards as to how much superfluous material is allowed in your corn flakes? We all open that box of corn flakes and expect to find only the flakes and the toy inserts, you don’t expect to find rat hair and droppings, now do you? Kellogg’s, in order to remain commercially competitive, would make certain that material discernable to the naked eye is screened. But, what about the materials that you cannot see, we all know that what you can’t see can hurt you. It goes without saying that the more screening for these materials that you are required to do, the greater the cost. The Government provides a minimum standard that may well exceed the exclusion of material that can be identified with the naked eye. This standard is universally applied across the industry, so that General Mills does not get a competitive advantage because Kellogg’s is in compliance. There is your referee doing the job we intended him to do.


In Conclusion

As to the areas where each of us stares at each other over the ideological divide, we can argue indefinitely. The Rightwinger has problems with Social Security and related programs, while I have problems with the extent of our military, its strategy and associated costs. This includes some of the problems that Secretary Gates touched so well in his address to NATO last week. I complain about tax subsidies to major industries, when the advantage of providing such is not so apparent.

This is my opinion of why conservatives hate government, thanks for your attention.


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Stump Parrish profile image

Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

I do look forward to seeing if any from the right can dispute what you have said. I am however wondering how the right will state that a company having the right to kill it's customers with shoddy materials or workmanship is what is needed to help this country move forward. I remember when Bush placed a CEO from a toy company in charge of overseeing toy manufatures. Not long after this we began seeing children dying from the very things I mentioned. The job of making sure that children were safe from the toys their parents bought them became the job of allowing manufactures cut corners in the name of profts. This lead to the use of lead based paints from China because they were cheaper.

The right seeks to reduce government interference in business operations and yet they have no problem with the billions given to the oil companies by our government. They have no problem with the oil companies using these billions to fight any alternatives that would reduce the oil companies profits. They have a problem with their tax dollars being used for educating children and have no problem with billions being made killing innocent children of other countries. The right has no problem allowing religion to decide what is or isn't acceptable behavior, as long as it is their chosen religion doing the deciding. They have no problem using the labor of people to allow companies to make a profit and have no problem letting them die when they cease to be of use to these corporations. Great hub slam full of the very truth the right feels they and only they have access to. Boted up, useful and awesome. Thanks for posting it, Peace.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

You are right on point Credence2. I have no problem with Conservatives and the GOP being against taxes and regulations. I do have a problem when they become so doctrinaire in this view that they threaten to run us off the cliff. The debt ceiling debate is the most obvious point. This brinksmanship is threatening to sink us into a Great Depression. It truly scares me. The GOp is slavishly following the Koch Brothers and Grover Norquist on the national and state levels. They are breaking our social compacts and are threatening serious class wars in this country. Awesome Hub.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, Stump, Thanks for your comment. I continue to wonder how anyone can think that everyone is so stupid to agree to let the fox guard the chicken coop? While big business looks after their profits, who looks after us? But, of course, it is ok to stick Government's nose into our bedrooms and intimate private lives.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks, HS, I can always rely on your feedback as to the reasonableness of my articles. The GOP damn the torpedoes attitude, trying to make political points at the expense of all should be apparent to many more of us. It may take the GOP going on with its plans to inaugurate another Great Depression as some sort of game, before people get excited and finally figure out who is really sabataging the ship of state.

HS. as a finance professional, what is your opinion on the idea of a the idea of a consumption/VAT tax as a way to phase out the current taxation system?


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

I have no problem with a VAT tax as part of our taxation structure. It could be implemented while scaling back the income tax. My problem with relying on it exclusively is that it is basically a sales tax and thus would be regressive. The taxation onus would be much smaller on the rich and larger on the working class. I think we would see the growing gap between the rich and poor grow alarmingly fast.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

HS, I got on this based on a proposal from a Dem. congressman in Penn, spesking of a 1 percent tax on all transactions nationwide. Sounded intriguing when you find out that there are 900 trillion worth of transactions during any one year. One percent is a lot of money. I am willing to leave the weathy alone as long as they are not taking money out of the pockets of working people, in exchange for their acquiring more. The middle and working classes need their retirement and medical programs left intact. I liked your idea of working this in while scaling back the income tax. Maybe certain food staples could be exempted, but if the percentage of the tax is low enough, it would not intimidate anyone. But, alas, I believe that the failure to move on this would be more political than involving problems of implementation and intrastructure.


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

"Are these people mad?"

By 2035, there probably won't be any sane person referring to themselves as 'the right', 'conservative' or 'republican', so you have nothing to worry about.

Cheers!!

Voted up and useful.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

credance

I was very surprised at the way you referred to both the conservatives and Ann Coulter, It added nothing to your argument.

Your argument was shallow, the real issue with government is not all or nothing, it is that over the years the government got too big, and went into areas that encroached on the private sector.

Every government employee, as you were, is a tax burden. If you reduce the size of government, you also reduce the burden, and the taxes needed to pay for them.

We have had regulatory government agencies, but they didn't help prevent major problems.

We have the FDA and they monitor the drug company products. And while they add eight hundred to one billion dollars to the cost of getting drugs passed, they are also the reason that big law firms make billions. The reason is that the FDA doesn't do testing, they do paperwork, and that paperwork is given to them by the drug companies.

We have the FAA and they have been reactive to aircraft problems rather than proactive.

We have the SEC, FDIC and a slew of others but that didn't help prevent the economy from collapsing, or even warning us.

HomeLand Security has been a joke, and it is very expensive to add all of the people to the government workforce.

The TSA is not really preventing terrorists at the airport. Again, their actions are reactive and not proactive.

Computerized investing and speculation need to be governed and yet no one is even looking at it as an issue. Besides regulations, we have laws, and a congress. What are they doing

The list goes on and on.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

HS, read a little more about the fair tax, it is not as regressive as I have heard many claim it to be. It will force everyone to pay their fair share. Most of the tax is already figured into the purchases we amke today. That is the impression I got of frm reading the book by Neil Bortz. I think I got his name right but wont swear to it.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Miss Info, thanks for your comment. Good to see you, lets hope that we do not have to wait till 2035 for results....Cred2


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, OD, thanks for dropping into the lions den. But now that you are here, I wouldn't be a lion if I did not maul you just a bit...

You said

I was very surprised at the way you referred to both the conservatives and Ann Coulter, It added nothing to your argument

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You should not be surprised, is she not the "poster girl for the political right" at least that is what she making herself out to be? He crass statement regarding public employees fits well into my argument and my point. We disagree here

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Your argument was shallow, the real issue with government is not all or nothing, it is that over the years the government got too big, and went into areas that encroached on the private sector.

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Your on the "left bank" here OD. Why don't you conservatives tell us all what constitutes "too much" government interference in anything? how about gutting that massive defence budget and geopolitical passing down of my money? When was it not too big for you guys, 1789? Your porno is my art and vice versa, is it not? For instance the idea of cutting government employees by 10% without considering what and where the cuts are needed is just helter-skelter, not a responsible approach.

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We have the FDA and they monitor the drug company products. And while they add eight hundred to one billion dollars to the cost of getting drugs passed, they are also the reason that big law firms make billions. The reason is that the FDA doesn't do testing, they do paperwork, and that paperwork is given to them by the drug companies.

We have the FAA and they have been reactive to aircraft problems rather than proactive.

We have the SEC, FDIC and a slew of others but that didn't help prevent the economy from collapsing, or even warning us.

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None of these agencies do a perfect job, but they are certainly better than the law of the jungle, trusting the fox to guard the chicken house or nothing at all.

That is something that I KNOW that I can do without.

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Computerized investing and speculation need to be governed and yet no one is even looking at it as an issue. Besides regulations, we have laws, and a congress. What are they doing

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OD, instead of abandoning the markets to the control of the robbers, the agencies have to do a better job. It is that simple.

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By the way, I read your hub on the problems with the income tax, I concur, even as a lefty. How come you have not the part of your articles that provide for comment?

Thanks for dropping in, my welcoming the perspective of conservatives is consistent with my earlier hub

http://hubpages.com/politics/Critical-Thinking-A-L...


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junko 5 years ago

Cred2, You got every reason why they would hate government. If government protects the people from harm, rich conservatives can't get richer by risk to the people. vote up & long. PS...There are rich liberals who are also risky.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, junko, thanks for weighing in, rich liberals while always a possible problem tend not to be as greedy and recognize that their ability to prosper is linked to the prosperity of society in general. I met Ted Kennedy many years ago and although he is part of a wealthy family, you could not find a more tireless soldier on behalf of the working class and middle class of America. There are a few like him, Buffet, Gates who are examples and not jerks. Best wishes, Cred2


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Credence, you are much to kind in your assessment of the right. Your statements and presentation was artful and I applaud you for your restraint. I seem to loose my cool with ignorant people when they assume the position that there are no other views that are valid. Only one party is right according to the GOP just the same as any other fascist organization would tell you. You're right and I applaud you and am following you, Thanks Peter


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Peter, thanks for weighing in, believe me, I am pis*ed about what is going on and I will definitely have more to say in the future. Thank you for allowing me to join your team. Sclerosis of the brain is the first symptom displayed the victim of fascist incursion. We must all be extremely vigilant, the enemy has no scruples as to its approach and technique. I look forward to reading some of your articles. Cred2


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feenix 5 years ago

Credence2,

This is a very thoughtful, excellently-written hub. Quite effectively, you made your point and imparted a great deal of information.


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SpiffyD 5 years ago from The Caribbean

This was a fine hub. I think that the best point made was actually the one that you made in the comments. What exactly is too much government? Is it when the government action does not benefit conservatives? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were drains on the Treasury as well. However, it allowed warlords in the US to feel useful and make some bucks. Of course, it's natural to want to have the cake and eat it too.

Sometimes, you have to take the good with the bad. What is bad for one group is good for other groups. While government employees may be seen as a "tax burden," they also pay taxes and have important roles to perform. The only question should be whether they are productive and efficient to justify their salaries. If the government reduced its tax burden unreasonably, there'd be fewer purchases. Apparently that "tax burden" highlighted by the duck is returned to the economy.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Feenix, nice of you to drop in, your reading this article and your comments are appreciated, Cred2


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

hi, SpiffyD Thank you for reading and providing comments. Even though I was a government employee, I will admit that there are many efficiencies available in the private sector that serve to reduce the cost of a occupation/service from what it was before. Technological innovation and competition is missing in public sector, where job descriptions and compensation rates are monolithic. That is extremely hard to address as no one wants to work for an employer that changes salary and benifits downward, we all desire a certain amount of security in our working environment. It takes the Public sector longer to recognize and employ the "better mouse trap" which would tend to reduce cost and lend to greater efficiency. How this is to be integrated into the world of Federal Employment will be the next challenge of the coming years. I am just glad to be retired and not have that inevitablility affect me. Your points are well taken, thanks Cred2


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GA Anderson 4 years ago from USA

@credence2 - Ok, you sent me here with a comment link, so I came - and what do I see!!!!

you actually listened to *shudder* Ann Coulter, long enough to hear a statement? Sorry bud, as soon as I hear the snotty a$$ tone of her voice I'm clicking the dial. Her nose must be 6 or 7 inches long by now, I mean she talks down it so much.

Sorry for the vitriol, but that is one human I can not be tolerant of. (Bless my heart and save my soul)

Good points - but you did use a pretty broad brush. I was fine with "right-wingers", but I think such a blanket assertion is a little too heavy-handed to include "conservatives" as well

GA

ps. you should take a look at the "fair Tax" proposal - then maybe we can discuss the legitimacy of the "regressive tax" label for anything that isn't a "fair share" tax concept.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks for reading, GA. I am glad that we agree that Ann Coulter is a waste of flesh.

Well, I have made a distinction between Conservative and Rightwinger: rightwinger= conservative(squared), Don't want to drag you to my library all the time but I have penned an article that speaks to the rightwinger where he or she lives. AnnCoulter is definitely one of them.

http://hubpages.com/politics/Right-winger-Who-are-...

I will check out the "fair tax" concept prior to our next "Firing Line". I always enjoy your stimulating articles and discourse. Cred2


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