LGBT: Accept Others For Who They Are

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Why are we not accepting of someone because of their beliefs or lifestyle ? It does not matter if a person is a believer or non-believer of God or if they are a part of the LGBT. My sister is in a Lesbian relationship and has been for quite a few years. She is not ashamed of her choice, why should we be? She and her partner are both loving and caring individuals. Why do so many believe that God has created everyone to be straight? God created all in his own image.

Some of us believe in God and others believe in Scientific theory however why do we argue to prove our points? Why do we condemn each other when we should get along? Why do we believe our Christian religion is the only one that should exist? Why do we condemn those when we have flaws in our own character?

All of us at some point in our lives have been rude to someone. From a personal perspective, I am also the first to apologize. Here at hub pages all of us are made up of many things some of us place ourselves out there for everyone to see; while others are afraid someone may judge them. What gives us the right to judge anyone because of a comment or a profile picture? What gives us the right to say that someone should have the same beliefs that we have? We honestly do not have any right to point fingers at another person; regardless of their beliefs, race, gender or choice.

After reviewing a few hubs and drinking a few cups of coffee.I came to the conclusion that we need to begin to accept each other and embrace the person. Not condemn and watch them fall. I will not condemn a single soul for who they are; nor am I concerned about their own personal sexual preference.

Because I am a believer of GOD and you may not be; does not make you any different then myself. We are supposed to 'Love our neighbors as ourselves', shouldn't we be doing this?

Being a part of the LGBT is not a shameful lifestyle. If you are Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual or Transgender be yourself. Stand up for your beliefs and there are many of us who are Christians that will accept you for who you are.

Everyone may not agree with what we have to say when it comes to expressing our thoughts and opinions on the subject. But truly we are not concerned. If you are a part of the LGBT stand proud. Do not hang your head in shame. When people ask, be honest.

The LGBT has came along way and they still have a few small mountains to climb. But with determination and people like myself who believe all people should be treated equal. Those small mountains will become piles of dirt that will blow away in the wind.

If you have family members who are a part of the LGBT community, be supportive. Don't turn the other cheek. Give them a hand or a lend a ear. They are all people who need love and support too.


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Hmrjmr1 7 years ago from Georgia, USA

AEvans - Good For ya. I too stand with you.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Hnrjmr1: Thank you so much and I am glad that you appreciated the hub.:)


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spiritactor 7 years ago from Los Angeles

Thank you for shining your light out there.

Regardless of religious beliefs, if we all looked for simple goodness on a daily basis in our society and the world, we could all experience a certain enlightenment in our views of each other.

Fear never created anything of value, to anyone. And many in our country are very fearful-- as reflected in many forums, as was in yours. Fearful of beliefs, philosophies, cultures, societies, even basic ideas that are different from their own.

I think that if we all saw the light that is common in all of us, the truthful and limitless "source" (whatever we believe it to be), we would see finally that we ARE all one in the same-- on a journey back to that pureness, the truth beyond everyday physical senses, and the origin of our loving and prosperous selves.

Hold true to your beliefs and to yourself-- and best wishes for your journey!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

spiritactor: I will remember those words and I will certainly hold true to my beliefs and to myself and I am certainly looking forward to my journey.:)


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Georgiakevin 7 years ago from Central Georgia

We teach by example more than we do by what we say. We live our Christianity more by example than the words we say. Your kindness and your living your beliefs shine trhough in your writing.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

GeorgiaKevin: I agree with you and thank you for your warm comment.:)


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VioletSun 7 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

AEvans: You are one the most open minded and kind hubbers I have met, so I respect and apppreciate what you have to say. I am not a practicing Christian, though I do believe in the Christ, and have found as I wrote in an older hub, that we need to be tolerant and accepting of one another. I too feel comfortabe with all paths, cultures, races, sexual preferences as long as no one is maiming or hurting another human being or creature to support their belief system.

I believe that the best way to live one's life is by example, not preaching and trying to make the other "wrong", whether its religion or spirituality.


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create a page 7 years ago from Maryland, USA

I applaud you AEvans for declaring your views in this hub. I agree with most of what you stated. I believe. like you, that the color of one's skin is not very important. In essence, the character of the individual has greater weight.

However, God created us with the freedom to make choices. He did not create us to be heterosexual or homosexual. We, as human beings, make those choices because of the free will He has given us. We accept people for who they are, but we have to be careful that we do not accept things that they do that are contrary to God's will for mankind.

If you had a relative who was a criminal, for example, would you accept the crime that he or she committed, or would you hate the crime and encourage your relative to seek help? It's just food for thought.


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tomparker 7 years ago

As you know I saw that debate today, which I commented on in your fan mail. I also commend you for 'pouring out your soul' here in this new hub. You seem to be a person who is ok to 'agree to disagree' so I am going to comment on some of your statements in this hub. From my interpretation of scripture, homosexual relationship is not of God. If it were, then why would there be this scripture:

Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

And this scripture:

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

At that time homosexuals were to be put to death. I realize that was under the 'old covenant' of sin and death. Now we are under a new covenant where our sins are covered by the blood of Christ, but it doesn't change what is sin and what it not.

I do not condemn homosexuals. I have friends that are homosexual. We all sin and come short of the glory of God. However, I cannot see saying that God created someone to be homosexual, anymore than God creating someone to be a liar, a thief, or an adulterer.

Perhaps you disagree, but it's my interpretation.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Violet Sun: I thank you for your warm compliment and I will always be who I am regardless of indifferences people are people and am in agreeance with your comment 100%.:)

create a page: If you had a relative who was a criminal, for example, would you accept the crime that he or she committed, or would you hate the crime and encourage your relative to seek help? It's just food for thought. I would ask them to seek help and I love the food for thought. :)

tomparker: I certainly do understand the word of God and you have brought it again to light, I believe what I have always tried to understand due to my sister since she was a small girl is why she had always been attracted to women and not men. I will not discredit the word of God but how do we not know if when it was written that the birth of Gay or Lesbians was always there but that what they felt from the beginning was something that was not understood so it was written that it was a sin because they did not have the knowledge that we have today which enables people to be tested and many have found that they have a missing chromosome. You are correct it does not change what is sin and is what is not, but what about the ones who were born that way? It has always been placed in my mind because I know God doesn't make junk. This one is a tough response so I hope you do not become offended by the answer. :(


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create a page 7 years ago from Maryland, USA

AEvans do you really believe that God makes people as homosexuals when the lifestyle is contrary to how He wants them to live?


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tantrum 7 years ago from Tropic of Capricorn

Why is it that everywhere where believers join, the word sin is always present ? Gays being sinners, atheists being sinners,muslims being sinners.

And if something comes from God or not. Always the separation betewn 'right' & 'wrong'

Why is it ???

I was going to leave you a nice comment. Now after reading a post above, I don't feel like it.

always the same !! I'm fed up !

Anyway, I know you're a good person AEvans! :)

It's a shame that your beliefs attracts people that post so nasty remarks ! :(


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

createapage: I will not question God but this I do know I love my sister unconditionally and accept her for who she is I will not turn my back on her and she had been married before but it did not work for her, since she was a little girl she was always different and yes she went through so much genetic teting to find that she was who she was because of faulty chromosomes. I am not saying every person was created that way, what I am saying is that there are people who were born that way, so I cannot judge them although we do not understand I know that my sister is not junk and God made her to in his love, so that I hope you sincerely understand with respect as well to your opinion. :)

Tantrum: I believe that they above you are only seeking understanding of what my thoughts are, I do not believe it was meant to offend anyone in general and was directed toward any non-believer, believer etc. One should always embrace and respect each other and gain knowledge from each other that makes us a stronger person.


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Peter Dickinson 7 years ago from South East Asia

Thank you for your thoughts. I share all of them. I do believe in a higher something, God if you like. Do you know though I am glad I am not a Christian and so don't have to put up with all the Bible quotes. That said AEvans I believe that you are a truer purer Christian than those who criticise and pontificate.

I live with prostitutes, gays, lesbians, kathoey, transgender, mixed race. Not a Christian among them but I find them more forgiving, more accepting, loving, and caring. The pure of heart.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Peter: You are welcome! If all of us could love one another what a wonderful world we would live in, *sigh** maybe one day.:)


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tomparker 7 years ago

AEvans: I do not consider your response as being 'tough' by any means, and I am certainly not offended. I believe that we must take the entire scripture as being the Word of God, and not the words of man. We can't pick and choose which part we believe came from God and which parts came from man. Even though written by human hands, I believe all scriptures were given to the writers by God.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The scriptures in Leviticus that I quoted were commands 'From God' and not something written by men who didn't understand the 'why' of homosexuality. I do not understand the 'tendency' of some people to be attracted to their own sex from childhood, anymore than I understand babies having birth defects, other than knowing it is the result of sin entering into the world(wow, that really gets deep, maybe I should write a hub). We have all seen at a very young age, boys who are very feminine, and girls who are very masculine. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be homosexual, but I think it relates to the chromosome thing that you mentioned. I don't believe it is God's will that your sister was born that way. I don't believe that it is God's will that babies are born with defects. God gave mankind a choice, we chose sin, and now we deal with the consequences. The Good News..He sent a Redeemer!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

tomparker: He certainly did send a redeemer and you should certainly write a hub about your thoughts since you were inspired to do it. :)


mdawson17 7 years ago

AEvans

I can say it like this their are many who are not happy unless they are destroying someone else!! You were right earlier today when you were defending your stand on the earlier thread and the other hubers hub!

I have seen you in action defending other hubers (to be blunt defending me) and you have followed a true respect line not compromising it!!

As you know I am in a multi-Racial marriage and share a multi-racial child and have been casted to hell by many believers!

My true feeling is this if I am doing wrong in anyway I have not read it in Gods word and no one has showed me any scripture so theirfore God would only have to forgive me in the day I see him face to face!

It is the same with all other situations we should allow God to be God! He is the Judge and the Jury we are not so Ithink the best thing is for us to worry about our walk at let others walk their walk!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

mdawson17: Thank you for the respect and your comment as you know I will not compromise my faith and I cannot judge others but I can certainly accept and love them for who they are while I continue to do what I have to do to stay right with the man above. :)


"Quill" 7 years ago

To judge most of us know is against Christian beliefs, thus we simply love the person but hate the sin.

Blessings


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tomparker 7 years ago

mdawson17: It is sad that so called 'believers' would condemn you for a multi-racial marriage. I am no bible expert, but I have never seen any scripture that indicates it is wrong. Quite the contrary actually. If you read Numbers chapter 12, Aaron and Miriam were upset, and spoke against Moses because he married an Ethiopian woman, who would have been black.

The Lord was very angry with Aaron and Miriam, and actually made Miriam leprous. Moses cried to the Lord to heal her. Interesting read.

God created us all in his image, no matter what our skin color.


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Flightkeeper 7 years ago from The East Coast

I agree with your hub :)


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ocbill 7 years ago from hopefully somewhere peaceful and nice

I agree with you as well. There are many interpretations to support a person's beliefs (or wants). Interesting how that is. We are supposed to be intelligent life, yet there are still racists and it doesn't even matter the color. religion had had much more cleansing as they call it. Bosnia/ Serbia, African countries, Asian countries, Muslims, USA and UK starting and joining wars mainly for control. It sounds to me that the common element is "religion" or multiple beliefs. Unfortunately, it has caused more problems than so-called ....? the facts and actions speak for themselves. What is the grand solution?


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

"Quill": This is defintiely so true. :)

Flightkeeper: Thank you. :)

ocbill: I don't know what the solution I just hope that one day everyone can get along and I hope I am around to see that happen. :)


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Luciendasky 7 years ago from Florence, OR

I completely agree with your hub AEvans... you are incredible...

Even is homosexuality is a "Sin" (not that I am saying it is), I think people can still be born with it, as people are born with the knowledge how to lie, etc...

Over the last couple of years, I keep thinking about that girl that the Pharisees brought to Jesus asking him if they should stone her because she was found committing adultery... whether or not they were baiting Jesus is irrelevant to me... the story has taught me over and over not to judge and to love.

Also, I have had several gay (all male) friends in the past... and they often had more integrity than some Christians I know... Gladly, I don't believe you are one of them, you have shown deep integrity in not wavering in your beliefs (either direction)

Luci


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dohn121 7 years ago from Hudson Valley, New York

When I was in college and in a fraternity, I found some startling news that one of my closest fraternity brothers was gay. Soon after wards, this fraternity brother of mine when into seclusion and was not heard from. When finally, he and I met, I asked him why he disappeared?

"I thought you'd hate me for being gay," he said.

"But why would your preference change the fact that your my brother?" I asked him.

After our conversation, we were on good terms again. Mind you, I wasn't always so accepting of others in this particular fashion, but as I matured, so did my opinions of others.

Thanks for writing this, AEvans. A valiant effort I might add.


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Hello, hello, 7 years ago from London, UK

I agree with every word of yours and thank you for writing such a great hub. The world not only be a better place but also more peaceful, if they would all think like you and me.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Luciendasky: Thank you so much for understanding who I am.:)

dohn121: Thank you! :)

Hello, hello: I certainly wish they would and I am glad that you and I are the same. :)


papajack 7 years ago

I always seem to arrive late to the skirmish. I had two sons, who were 14 months apart. One son was from the time he could walk and talk, clearly more feminine than masculine. When he was old enough to understand the brutal teasing from his peers, he tried for many years to live a heterosexual life style. His righteous naysayers continued the harassment. Finally he sought the company of others who were in the same boat and for the first time in his life became truly happy.

The scriptures as we know them were selected by a body of men from thousands of scriptures, leaving many scriptures out. This decision was not made or inspired by a supreme being but by men.

Racial purification scriptures had more to do with an underground method to fight Roman dominance. The Romans held the lands they occupied through intermarriage rather than by leaving valuable soldiers behind. They left Roman citizens instead. Thus the Hebrews passed marriage laws. "Jews God and History" by Max I. Dimont


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

papajack: What an inspiring comment and I will also read " Jews, God and History that certainly does sound like an interesting read. :)


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tjmatel3 7 years ago from McDonough, GA

Yes, we were not created to judge each other, but instead to love one another. God made us with the ability to choose. In the end, He will judge how we have lived our lives and where we should spend eternity. Although God gives us choices it does not mean that He condones all our actions. One thing is certain, He wants us to love each other regardless. Unfortunately, our imperfections make that impossible. But God can help us overcome our limitations if we let Him.

Great hub!


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hebron 7 years ago from West Coast of USA

Interesting subject AEvans. Interesting indeed. One day, I may chime in with my halve pence worth of nothing... Right now, I'm saving up.

;)


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

tjmate13: God certainly can help us overcome and that many of us are so thankful for and I can also see that to includes you. :)

hebron: I see, I see well your words will always mean something. :)


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K Partin 7 years ago from Garden City, Michigan

WOW! Great hub and good for you! I have to stand united with ya! Take care and look forward to more great hubs from you.


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Smireles 7 years ago from Texas

Great hub! Although I do not agree with your view of gay and lesbian relations, it is not for me to judge you or anyone else. As a Christian, I and every other Christian should know better if we follow the Bible like we claim. My husband is of Mexican descent born in Texas. We have three children and have been married for 39 years. It was controversial at the time but racial issues were never our problem. You live the life you choose to live! Blessings!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

K Partin: Thanks so much and Happy Thanksgiving! :)

Smireles: It is o.k. to disagree on certain topics to that is what allows us to have a better understanding for each other. How wonderful that you have been married for 39 years! :)


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drej2522 7 years ago from Augusta, GA

Good hub and it's refreshing to hear someone who is genuine and to have someone freely open up to the public...that's rare these days...

I am relatively new here and so I'm wondering...has it always been like this on hubpages? Has the debate between nonbelievers and believers been an ongoing battle on the forums? or is it a relatively new argument?

Also, to help answer your question earlier about why people judge other people...I think most people think they are correct. (Especially at a site full of potential professional writers! =P)...So, when someone challenges their position, they feel they must defend it. People are animals!

Again, good hub! You got my attention.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

drej2522: With regards to the debates, at the beginning they were not as profound however as HP has grown so has the forums and I have genuinely seen stronger and more heated debates on hubpages within the last year. When it comes to people being animals and defending themselves I could not agree with you more. :::::::::::::)


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kysnoopyq42 7 years ago from no where

Thank you for another interesting read.

It's scary to look down, so don't. (One of my favorite sayings)


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

kysnoopyq42: That is so true. :)


Madame X 7 years ago

Right on girl!! Stay who you are and don't let them throw you. There's an old Arabic saying, "the dogs bark, but the caravan passes on" :)


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Madame X: I like that saying I must remember it! :)


poetlorraine 7 years ago

lovely hub.... lovely lady, keep these hubs coming


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

poetlorraine: Thank you and I love your new Avatar too! :)


Writer Rider 7 years ago

Very true. Well said. I have friends who are both atheist and extremely religious (as well as gay and from different cultures) but I really don't care as long as they don't shove their opinions down my throat. And focusing on insignificant differences keep us from looking that the larger picture. Love is the first commandment.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Writer rider: Love certainly is the first commandment , we should always focus on what is more important.:)


lovly2008 7 years ago

"since she was a little girl she was always different and yes she went through so much genetic teting to find that she was who she was because of faulty chromosomes."

What genetic testing? What faulty chromosomes? I have not heard of this before. Can you please expound?

I believe it is the job of a Godly parent to watch the growth of their children. I believe that your sisters problem and those like her is not "faulty chromosomes" but a faulty mind. Somewhere along the way, people who think they are the opposite sex or fall in love with the opposite sex have developed a faulty thinking process. As parents we are to watch for these things and try to correct them. If we cant, we should pray to the God you say you believe in. A healing is required. But please dont respond to what I believe. Respond to the genetic testing part. Thanks.


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Beth100 7 years ago from Canada

Well written and spoken. I, too, am tired of the judging that happens in our society. Who has the right to judge another? Everyone is a unique individual with unique beliefs and thoughts. Life would be much more peaceful and pleasant if we could accept each other for who we are and not for what we are or are not.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

lovly2008: I will look it up for you and reply to it. :) Here you go, http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=155 :)

Beth100: I am tired of it too and it can be so grueling when we constantly see and hear the negative over and over again. All of us should find a way to get along. :)


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H P Roychoudhury 7 years ago from Guwahati, India

On searching I noticed your hub. It was so fascinating that it has touched my inner heart. As a human being what our ideals should be towards other is nicely reflected in the hub. I admire the concept of thinking. But may I request you to see one of my articles which are “Christianity & Hinduism”. Thank you for sharing.


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Storytellersrus 7 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Hi AE! I am so glad you commented on one of my hubs. Coming back to visit your space has opened up a new dimension for exploration-- not only because of the ideas expressed in this hub, but also because I was able to discover those who have commented here. I feel very grateful to have reconnected with you. I like you.

As for your dilemma above, I have come to a place in my hubs where I throw out the idea and if it is controversial, I let others respond without commenting. Everyone has their issues to sort through. It's difficult to judge where they are coming from and unless your reason for writing is to convince and change people's minds, well, why argue? A hub can provide a service by just laying out an argument and letting others explore their responses without judgment.


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Hi AE - as always, your loving nature shines through! How can we judge someone else's preference? I do believe that each should walk according to the light that is given to them - and it really is no one else's business. Like you, if everyone just loved and accepted, the world would be Paradise indeed!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Storytellersrus: You certainly have so many solid points when it comes to arguing truly there isn't any sense and I certainly do agree with you. :)

Shalini Kagal: Only we can dream maybe one day it will become like that , but you and I know that it won't happen in this lifetime. :(

HP: I read your hub and found it very interesting and thoroughly enlightening, I am certainly happy that you were touched by this hub. :)


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outdoorsguy 7 years ago from Tenn

great hub, and I agree. I do also believe that the reason the debates are so heated this days, is that 1. people are not secure in themselves or their believes and lash out when forced to take another look and refuse admit the other person might have a point.

2. they are trying to convert every one to what they think are obvious laws of the universe.

either way I tend to ignore it. as Thomas Jefferson said..

"I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others."

No will I allow myself to be drawn into screaming matches with my computer screen LOL


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

outdoorsguy: You are funny I allow screaming matches with my computer to! lololo :)


xinghai160 7 years ago

I agree with your hub


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

xinghai160: Thanks so much.:)


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Madison22 7 years ago from NYC

Great hub AEvans! Loved it, straight to the point. I really appreaciate reading it. A must to pass along, thanks!!


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Madison22: Aahhhhh, Thank you so much. :)


mtsi1098 7 years ago

Words well spoken AEvans...If everyone thought this way, a better world we would live in...When it came time for my mother and father to divorce years ago, my siblings stayed in touch with my father and I elected not to because he was never around for me growing up and never attempted to get in touch with me (we all lived with my mother). Anyway, they never accepted my choice but wanted me to accept their choice and we argued over this topic for years...Good job...thanks


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

mtsi1098: I am sorry to hear that and I just wish everyone could get along but we know it is isn't possible. I am so glad that you came out of it just fine. :)


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lorlie6 7 years ago from Bishop, Ca

I concur! There are many pointed questions here in your Hub, and all lead to one answer: tolerance.


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GlstngRosePetals 7 years ago from Wouldn't You Like To Know

You are a shining star and I hope that I can write like you everything comes from the heart.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

lorlie6: Tolerance is the answer and you narrowed it down to one word, I love it! :)

GlstngRosePetals: Everyone has there own way of writing that is what makes us unique and you are also unique in your own way.:)


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

sadly my writing style is ... ummm. sarcasticaly smart LOL. or maybe rambling is more description.

and Aevans. I have to say after reading some of the responses on your hubs. youve earned my respect. theres a few I had to totally ignore. becuase If I had responded it would have been a long rambling contemptous response. better to remain silent than to open my mouth and show my butt LOL

nice to see some one practice what they preach. good job..love the hubs.

See I rambled again. >shrug< time to scream at my computer again LOL


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

outdoorsguy: You have a wonderful writing style and it is o.k. to always respond and comment , I scream at my computer to and if ever answers back I am in trouble. lololo I hope it forgives me. lololol :D


urimidden 6 years ago

Well, although I like AEvans, I am going to have to respectfully disagree on much of the premise and thesis of the article...to include many of the commenter’s' position on this matter.

What is interesting is that most everything on this page clearly highlights the desire of people to argue their point, which is one of the most important, if not the most important, natural and necessary proclivity of all homo sapiens. As stated previously " it is the white-hot realms of debate which forge for us the most effective and sustainable 'tools' of development known to mankind", whatever they be. Conversely, seeking to end the debate within monotheistic - and other collusive or compulsory - doctrines and structures, will always, always, always, always, always, always...etc...create various empty and illusory derivations which create many exponentially metastasizing sociological crises. It would take a year to list them all, and the many deceptive propensities created within much of the "belief" model, engender economic catastrophes brought on by the complete assimilation of the populous under financial models of oligarchic and plutocratic un-sustainability, and the inflationary "bubbles" much of the planet is finally becoming, however horrifically, personally acquainted with are merely part of the illusion the power structure has been using to wage war upon much of the world for millennia. "Believe" it or not, those are the FACTS, AND JUST THE FACTS MAAM. Quite perplexingly irrational, to say the least, that those who so oft congratulate themselves on their "beliefs" rarely ever believe the actual terrifying truths of it all. Thus exposing the fact that their "beliefs" are merely a form of "non-belief" or blind faith that allows them to ignore much of reality...to include those of us who are screaming "WAKE UP PLEASE!!! THEY ARE SELLING US ALL OUT AND YOU ARE ASSISTING THEM AT ALMOST EVERY LEVEL!!!" Why wouldn't those who have the cajones to look at the truth be rather irate toward ignorance which to this day intends to worship things and elect the Obama' and Bush's of the world into positions of accountability which they have no intention of being accountable for. Which then hides the real puppet masters from view in a plethora of ways.

It puzzles me greatly that much of American society is actually engaging in constant fulmination over another's choice not to believe, but never taking into consideration just what it means to "believe". ALL MONOTHEISTIC BELIEF STRUCTURES, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, DEMAND THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST THE CONSIGNEE MUST "BELIEVE" AND NEVER QUESTION THE AUTHORITY GOVERNING THAT BELIEF STRUCTURE, CLAIMIING THAT SUCH ALLUSION, OR MERELY CURIOSITIES, UNDERMINE AND BLASPHEME THE DOCTRINE. This is nothing more than attempts at reprogramming the mind by pervasively deceptive memes intended to allay various concerns and questions which could cause others to deviate from the top down control mechanism. Essentially, it is tyranny in a plausibly deniable form...PERIOD. Truly people "THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES". This ignorant activity (eventually embodying various forms of "worship") then elicites a whole host of arguments and revulsions from skeptics (of which we must all be if we have any hope of surviving intact) who realize that the only way to survive is to question all forms of manipulation, realizing that "resistance" is the only purely natural and sane choice. Truly, the belief in god will always present as a form of deluded insanity of elected self denial upon the part of those who choose it. This is a fact that will always allow the "flock" to be manipulated into various perversions, including but not limited to, war, imperialism, colonialism, genocide, hate, revolt, corruption, divisiveness, detachment, apathy, sexual perversion, and so on.

In closing, I am nearly certain of only one thing concerning those who "believe"; that it will be a cold day in their fantastically delusional hell before any of them will have the courage to ever even consider the veracity and true proof-logic of my words.

Hopefully the Armageddon you all so wish for, and are helping a small fraction of despotic oligarchs create, will finally be satisfaction enough to placate those infantile, precociously pedantic and incorrigibly preposterous "bombastic heralds of woe".


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

urimidden: As always I value your thoughts and opinions and even if I agree or disagree I respect what you are saying. :)


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TimeHealsAll 6 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

I wanted to pass on some food for thought. You are absolutly right to love one another but to rebuke their sin meaning to correct and edify in faith. I have read a wakening hub that I thought you might find of interest. Here is the link. http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Homosexual Just something to ponder.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

TimeHealsAll: I thank you for the comment and when anyone adds a link I certainly do read it, Thank you again. :)


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tobey100 6 years ago from Whites Creek, Tennessee

Great minds run along the same lines. I tried to set forth the similar notions that prejudice and hatred are learned behavior in one of my hubs. Its never to late to learn, never to late to change. Keep it up.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

tobey100: Thanks! :)


oldenuf2nobetter 6 years ago

Bravo.I may or may not agree with you but that's neither here nor there.God loves you.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

oldenuftnobetter: It is ok that is what makes love go around, we may agree or disagree but if we listen to one another as you know we always learn something. :)


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2patricias 6 years ago from Sussex by the Sea

Thanks for a very brave Hub. You certainly were lying yourself on the tracks when your wrote this!

We gave up commenting on any religous dicsussions as the tone of some of the replies left us feeling exhausted.

We do believe that the Bible talks about love more than anything else.

Not going to comment on any particular points, just to thank you for such a generous-minded Hub.


SirDent 6 years ago

The biggest problem I see is that they (homosexuals) keep throwing their sexuality up in the faces of Christians. Not sure why they do it, but it seems they want validation from God or the Church. Some things are meant to be kept secret betwen a person and God.

I noticed some have talked about how Christians bring up the word "sin." If it wasn't for the sin of all men, we would not need a redeemer.

I also noticed creation was mentioned a lot. God finished creating after the 6th day. He told Adam and Eve to, "Be fruitful and multiply."

To love one another is one of the commands of Jesus Christ. We are certainly hurting no one if we love them. Does this mean we do not warn them of possible destruction?

As far as people being born homosexuals, I do not agree with it. I believe it is a learned behavior and I also believe it to be from unclean spirits. I know I will catch a lot of flack over that statement.

We all sin. Homosexuality is a sin, according to the word of God. Lying is a sin, stealing is a sin, coveting is a sin, etc. . . We are all guilty and have no right to throw stones.

If they would keep their sexuality secret, it would make things better for them and everyone else. God is not the one confused. We are the ones confused, but God is not the author of confusion.

One must simply seek the Lord to the best of their ability. We will still fail in many things, but if our hearts are toward God completely, He will take care of us.


SirDent 6 years ago

Silly me. I forgot the one part I was going to add to my post above. Jesus died for all. There is not a single person who ever lived or is alive today that He did not die for.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

2patricias: I certainly was lying myself on the tracks but it was placed on my heart and I do have to say that whatever is placed there comes out of there. lololo Thank you for reading it and appreciating it. :)

Sir Dent: I so appreciate your comments and your statement and also respect you and your viewpoints. You are never argumentative and are accepting of others and that is what this hub is all about. You always state your points without slinging mud. :)


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Jackwms 6 years ago

I think your perspective is especially good and I enjoyed reading all the comments. Did you read my hub about "Absolutists"?


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain

I believe in a higher force and I believe in the scientific theories. I think that we are a balance of mind (the intellect), the body (the physical) and the spirit (or soul). Just because science hasn't yet discovered it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I try and live with respect for others, no matter what creed. I have learned that I can not be judgmental because everyone lives in their own truth and reality. We all perceive things differently.

We just need to love each other. It is easy, isn't it??!!

Love you too mate x


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Jackwms: I certainly did read it and I enjoyed the perspecitve you certainly are right and others should read it too! :)

shazwellyn: It certainly isn't it , but you and so many others know that if we work at it maybe one day all of us will get along. :)


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k@ri 6 years ago from Sunny Southern California

I really enjoyed reading this hub. I have read your forum posts and hubs for almost a year now, and I have never seen you be anything but respectful and loving. I personally am very glad you are part of this community. You maintain a balance that is not often seen.

I agree that we need to accept others as they are and that people need to accept themselves as they are. We all have our personal issues to deal with and we should help each other instead of pulling each other down. You make this point very clearly and concisely.

Hugs to you and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :D


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

k@ri: Thank you for the comment and we should respect ech other I certainly hope that in the coming New Year maybe some will embrace each other and gain knowledge from one another. Merry Christmas and Happy Newy Year to you too! :)


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Cheeky Girl 6 years ago from UK and Nerujenia

I read this with great interest and appreciation here. You know the saying - "Judge not others..." etc blah blah. We all know the routine. There's a lot of positive sentiment and energy in this Hub to heat my apartment for a few months! Nice comments from you, and some interesting comments from others too. Dohn made an especially interesting one, there's lots of them, you almost made a forum here! We all see what we want to see. I had a chat with my doctor recently and we got somehow around to something similar to this subject, and he said words to this effect -

Should I choose as a doctor what lives to save based on some criteria of sex, religion color, orientation or some thing that makes them different from others, and what ones not to save? All life is sacred. That's the oath every doctor makes.

I know it doesn't cover everything (we'll leave the world of abortion for another days debate) And there's more too. Well, everyone knows who I am and I appreciate your wisdom! Live long and prosper in 2010.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Cheeky Girl: I am happy that you found this hub of interest, we certainly do have to accept others for who they are, and I hope this coming new year finds that to be true. :)


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bluesky4real 6 years ago from Abuja

Great Hub. I believe in God and I can't do without Him.

Keep it up!


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

bluesky4real: Thanks I completely agree.:)


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qwark 6 years ago

Hi Aevans:

I will make this short and sweet.

I hope that you realize that I am not an atheist, agnostic, deist or a believer in supernatural divinities. I am just a simple seeker who is doing his best to survive and enjoy my life.

I judge a fellow human being, regardless of ethnicity, beliefs or gender, by the way he/she treats others...period!

I consider all people to be my brothers and sisters until they prove to be unworthy of that love and trust.

If you have read my "hubs" it has become obvious to you that I am a 60 year old "realist," logician and pragmatist.

I understand the frailties of we human "infants." I can "see," with unfettered vision, the paths we must traverse to survive as a species.

It concerns me, in the interest of my kids and grandkids, that we are floundering thoughtlessly toward what the book of "Revelations' defines as "Armageddon."

If that is the final result of the processes of human evolution, it can only be blamed upon the immaturity of a young, unique, unsophisticated species of life.

Your "hub" defines you.

You favor me by becoming my fan.

Qwark


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Qwark: I have read your hubs and I appreciate them I believe that you and I in many ways are on the same page. I thank you for commenting and leaving your wise words. :)


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qwark 6 years ago

Aevans:

YW! :-)


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

qwark: :) Words of wisdom are wonderful and I wish others would take heed and learn from them. :)


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Dolores Monet 6 years ago from East Coast, United States

AEvans, I think that a discussion of differing beliefs can be healthy and educational, even a mild argument among friends. But once we cross the line and condemn another person, or insult them, we lose the value of our own beliefs, we make ourselves shallow and mean. Many people could learn from your approach, treat people with respect and earn respect.


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Lady Guinevere 6 years ago from West Virginia

Aevans, I know your stance and how you stood up for them. There are some of us who have differing views but belive in the same higher power and yet we get trashed by some on Hubpages. I often wonder if they ask a person what they believe in just so they can bash them around. Heck a few here have bashed me and don't even know me. Heck someone told me that they read all of my hubs and therefore it gives them permission to trash me in their own hub. I like the song "FREE YOUR MIND", by En Vogue:

Free Your Mind lyricsI wear tight clothing and high heel shoesThat doesn't make me a

prostituteI like rap music, wear hip hop clothesThat doesn't mean that

I'm sellin' dopeOh my please forgive me for having straight hairIt

doesn't mean there's another blood in my heirsI might date another race or

colorDoesn't mean I don't like my strong black brothersFree your

mind and the rest will follow(Why oh why must it be this way)Be color

blind don't be so shallow(Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see

me)So I'm a sistaBuy things with cashThat really doesn't mean

that all my credit's badSo why dispute me and waste my timeBecause

you think that the price is too high for meI can't look without being

watchedYou rang my buy before I made up my mindOh now attitude why

even botherI can't change your mind, you can't change my colorFree

your mind and the rest will follow(Why oh why must it be this way)Be

color blind, don't be so shallow(Before you can read me, you gotta learn to

see me


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Dolores Monet: I truly appreciate your words , many times we as human cross a line which is unnecessary what ever happened to the days when people respected one another? :(

Lady Guinevere: I know we do and I love that " En Vogue" song it is part of our collection at home. :)


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seanorjohn 6 years ago

It is so refreshing to read such a powerful hub.I hope you are on your way to becoming a doctor. You are a credit to the medical profession.It is so heartwarming to find a hubber with a heart of gold.


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AEvans 6 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

seanorjohn: Thank you so much, your words are also so touching. :)


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vocalcoach 6 years ago from Nashville Tn.

A stunning hub! You are a rare and most beautiful person with tremendous insight. An example to be followed by all. I feel priviledged to be part of the Hp family and to be able to read articles like this. I am a huge fan and a better person for having read your masterful hub.


Love2dance 5 years ago

I don't mind u being my fan at all, in fact I'm honored that some1 else uses there voice to stand up 4 gay rights! Btw sorry 4 taking 4ever 2 respond..


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AEvans 5 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

vocalcoach: Thank you! We are glad to have you hear. :)

Love2dance: It is ok, I to have taken forever to respond and I have noticed that I did not know there are comments on these hubs. :(


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

Deep hub with some powerful words. I believe as you do. There is enough hate and judgement to go around in the world. I was not created to judge, condemn, or hate anyone. It isn't our job as humans to be the judge, jury, and executioner of our fellow man. Very brave, admirable, and well said!


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Anamika S 4 years ago from Mumbai - Maharashtra, India

I fully agree with you on this topic. I too believe in that and have all sort of people in my friends circle. I do not condemn people base on caste, religion, sexual preferences, financial status etc. I treat people exactly the way they treat me. If someone is good to me, then there is no way I won't be good to them. Hub voted up and shared!


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sen.sush23 4 years ago from Kolkata, India

Aevans, I too have been thinking recently on why it is so difficult for some people to accept those who are different from them? I look for a scientific, maybe medical answer to it. Maybe that is natural, for animals do snarl at strange creatures. Maybe it is being 'humane', what you call 'man being created in God's image', that makes us accept and rejoice at differences too. Keep writing in this strain, it helps people.


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ishwaryaa22 4 years ago from Chennai, India

This is a truly thought-provoking hub! You wrote this engaging hub right from both your mind & heart that connected well with us-readers. We should accept others for who they are! Your sister and your husband are blessed to have a good person as you in their lives! Well-done.

Thanks for SHARING. Awesome & Beautiful. Voted up.


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Cardisa 4 years ago from Jamaica

I totally agree with every single word you said Julianna. Why are we so selfish and hateful of each other. Does sexual preferences really matter in the scheme of things? How can we as Christians talk about God and love when we cannot accept the other person? We need to take stock of ourselves. The very fact that we can condemn someone is a flaw in itself. I especially like when you said, God made us all in his image.


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

tammyswallow: Thank you for resurrecting this hub. I also had to revise it once the comments came. Goodness this was an old hub that needed some TLC. lolo! No,it isn't our job to judge. Thanks for the kudos. :)


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Anamika S: We should treat each other as ourselves. But sadly there are many who are treated differently. :(


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

sen.sush23: Thank you. I don't know if it is natural to snarl at each other, especially humans. I believe it could be something inherited and passed on from generation to generation.


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

ishwaryaa22: It does make us stop and think. Mmmmm... Maybe we need to treat people the way we should be treated. Hopefully one day all of us will get along.


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Cardisa: Sexual preference doesn't matter; but people always find a way to bully someone else. We should not condemn anyone. We need to work on ourselves and let God do the rest.


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Dana Greco 4 years ago

I have always accepted everyone as long as they are cool and respect me for who I am. The question is: Why is it that there are those that hate that which is different from them ? I have no comprehension of that, but I do know that it is hard to accept others that are different in certain ways from me, when they have violated my beliefs. It is not a matter of hate to me, but trust is a different story entirely. Don't ever go out loving or trusting too much, cause many will take advantage of it, and some are real good at it.

Also, most people live by standards more than you think, and it's not a matter of black or white, or gay or not gay, but so many other factors come into play, such as being too poor or too rich, being successful or not, being too tall or too short, being intelligent or not so intelligent. People pick and choose, no doubt, so ask yourself: who have you choose, and who have you ignored ? Now is it not true that by you ignoring those that don't meet your standards, that in itself is a slight form of hate ? How many retarded friends do you have ? Would you go out with a guy the same size as you or a little smaller, or a little poorer. How many black friends do you have ? Hate doesn't have to be so blatant, it becomes in many forms, and one is not meeting the standards, and just being ignored. Being prejudice goes a lot further than black or white, gay or not gay, religious or not religious, think about it, then get back to me ?


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Dana Greco: Those questions are very deep. I believe some of your questions would be a great hub. Thank you for a very thoughtful response. :)


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Dana Greco 4 years ago

I am trying not to get involved in controversial posts, but you know what I'm talking about, and it's not so deep, and is clearly seen. I was not directing the questions at you, but was using it in the form of a statement, and that too much focus has been on this subject lately on the web, while other forms of intolerance's have been ignored. It's like the pot calling the kettle black in a sense. We are all intolerant of one thing or the other. Perhaps just focus first on standards or just basic intolerance's. The gay/religious thing is getting old, and seems to be going no where. The question is why is that so ? Buy the ways, I'm not a gay bash type of guy, not do I hate atheists, I just hate some standards, and I am intolerant of intolerance of all forms, ha ha, and all the bickering is wearing on me. I like the happy posts, but these keep catching my eye. I wold like to help, but I really see no light at the end of the tunnel, do you ?


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Dana Greco: This article was resurrected yesterday. I believe this one is almost years old, if not older. I wish I could answer you regarding the gay/religious thing. I understand people do want rights and they have to keep fighting until people listen. Religion has been an argument for thousands of years and until the end of time it will continue.

I think we should talk about happier things like Summer is coming or The toilet paper debate I wrote about. All of us need things to life our spirits in today's world. :)


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Dana Greco 4 years ago

I agree that we need to focus on the positive to lift our spirits, but your friend posted this article on g+ and it caught my eye.

I touched my first computer just a little over a year ago, and I have never been exposed to so much information that it's overwhelming, but my dear brother told me to stay away from the controversial articles because he knows that at times I get locked in on things.

I still am trying to figure out why I jumped in on this article, but I guess it's kind of like: what's good for the goose is good for the gander type deal, and that we are all intolerant in one form or another. But to end, I will say that it's good that you pointed out intolerance in the form of religion/non-religion, and gay/heterosexual, and me going a little further to announcing intolerance in a broader sense. Now I will go and search out a happy post, then perhaps I will get locked in on that. You have a great weekend and may there be peace on earth.


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AEvans 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There Author

Dana Greco: I also can get wrapped-up in controversial subjects. Learning from past experience it is never a win-win situation, I tend to avoid them too.

Happy posts are refreshing and can make someone laugh. Poetic poems can get the mind flowing and creative posts, is a way to share with others. I hope you find a few and have a good weekend too. :)


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Dana Greco 4 years ago

Yes, and as Mother Teresa once said: " Don't show me an anti war demonstration, show me a peace rally and I'll attend "

Weekend is quite relaxing, as I went on a vigorous bike ride today, and just chilling making a homemade vegetarian pizza, but the dough is still rising so a little googling.

You have a great weekend as well, and may your writings reach out to the world with enthusiastic cheer !


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JodiGreen 4 years ago

great post!!

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