Are People Born Gay? Or is it a lifestyle choice?

''Equal rights'' belong to everyone ''equally'' (all photos are from various sources that encourage sharing them) (Moveon,ACLU, HRC,Gaypride,MSNBC,etc)

Wisdom of Einstein
Wisdom of Einstein
The serenity prayer
The serenity prayer
The perils of separating one's self from the rest of humanity
The perils of separating one's self from the rest of humanity
There is NO gay agenda except in the minds of those without understanding
There is NO gay agenda except in the minds of those without understanding
Passing judgement on others is not acceptable
Passing judgement on others is not acceptable
Equal rights
Equal rights
Voting on equal rights is an infringement on equality in itself
Voting on equal rights is an infringement on equality in itself

Are people born "gay"?

Are People Born Gay?

What an absurd question.

Apparently there is not enough education, or even logic, on this subject.

We are all still prisoners to the religious fanatics.

After reading this hub and watching the videos - please take a moment to reflect how each of us contribute to this hatred, intolerance, distrust, and ignorance against a minority of people who have no choice in their inherent "preferences" of who they fall in love with.

When superstition trumps logic

So, are people born gay?.....

I just read a few articles that state that their 'quotes' from their bible are fact.

One must wonder if these people also believe in Santa Clause, Alice in Wonderland, or perhaps Mickey Mouse? After all, Mickey is seen walking through the crowds at Disney world every day; Santa comes once a year with presents and gifts; and Jesus walked on water.

Lets try to apply a little logic to this ignorant question and set it to rest once and for all.

We can start by setting up a graph.

Just Draw a straight line across a piece of paper. On one end of the line write (or print) the word FEMALE. On the other end of the line write (or print) the word MALE. (see illustration below)

In the very center of that line write (or print) the word HERMAPHRODITE.

For those who do not know what this word means Websters dictionary defines it as follows;

1. an animal or plant (and yes, this includes humans) having both male and female reproductive organs.

2. something that is a combination of diverse elements.

3. homosexual. (Which is an untruth unto itself). If a person is born with both sex organs that are functional then how could they possibly be considered homosexual?

If some people still do not understand what the word Hermaphrodite means, please look it up on the Internet, to get to see a picture, or two. But for God's sake, we must stop passing judgments on something we cannot possibly understand unless we are born with this phenomenon.

Now, assuming that Webster is not Satan, and the dictionary is not banned by one's religion, one would have to conclude that this is a true birth status statement.

Now on this graft: draw little lines up and down between the far left, the far right; and the middle; and conclude that if there are such things as Male, Female, and Hermaphrodite, that there also has to be variations of each somewhere in between.

These birth anomalies are NOT ''learned'' attributes.

Logical deductions

The Graph of Logical Deductions:

Male_i_l__Bisexual__l_i__Hermaphrodite___i_l___Bisexual___l_i__Female

We are all the individual products of mother nature at her best (or worst).

Frankly if we were all born bisexual in the first place this would never have been an issue. It begs us to wonder if the Creator made an error in judgement, or could not foresee the future results of the follies of mankind.

The follies of man

Mankind has already determined that they can do a better job of producing foods by genetic alterations, thereby implying that God has made a mistake in his creation of the foods we ingest as nourishment.

Therefore one can only conclude that by attacking people with birth anomalies mankind is also suggesting that God has made another 'error' with his creation of mankind itself.

Logic dictates that we stop this inane rhetoric and accept the fact that Gay folks are indeed born that way and have as much "right" to exist as everyone else on this planet.

No amount of prayer, psychotherapy, surgery, "conversion therapy", or other witchcraft, is ever going to change that fact.

No passages in any ancient book can negate these facts, also concluding that one or the other is in error. I would highly suggest that you look at the "ancient scriptures" as the one being in error and not mother nature.

We cannot discount all the other things appropriated as evil in the 'scriptures' that are ignored and just home in on one thing that obviously was misinterpreted in the first place, from the original text.

Otherwise, the logical conclusion must be that it arose out of the ignorance of the original authors and is being perpetuated throughout each generation by false, illogical, and superstitious beliefs.

There is no excuse for this kind of ignorance in this day and age.

Evolutionary survival

When we take a look at the evolutionary process of mankind over the past 2+ thousand years, we must wonder where it all will end. Without some constraints on the reproduction process of humans, our planet will certainly run out of food and other resources in the not too distant future.

In the Creators' infinite wisdom it would not be beyond any comprehensible belief that they (the creators) had a definite "contingency" plan to save humanity ( and the planet that gives us what we need to survive), was not inherently part of the plan for mankind as well

The age of miracles is not past, but rather an ongoing phenomenon that humans still do not have the capability of understanding.

A simple "genetic shifting" that "creates" individuals that will not reproduce would certainly be the logical more humane "plan" to save humanity from itself and its unfettered reproduction.

Politicians and religious leaders try to live in the past beliefs that what they know is all there is to know. Fighting evolution by condemning those who are part of the solution from the perils of over population is more of an affront to the universal intelligence than the spread of hatred and killing each other off for personal profits.

God makes no mistakes.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said of mankind.

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calpol25 6 years ago from Edinburgh, Scotland, UK (At Home With My Wonderful Partner)

Exactly right d.william another great hub its true we are born gay and there is no choice in the matter its genetics that makes us what we are.

We did not wake up one morning and decide to be gay today did we, it really makes me laugh when people ask those questions but as along as you explain to them the truth it helps them to understand it better.


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keywc58 6 years ago

Thanks for the scientific explanation of this misunderstood situation.


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d.william 6 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you for reading, and your comments


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K9keystrokes 6 years ago from Northern, California

Outstanding D! UP and of course awesome!

K9


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d.william 6 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for reading and your comments. Unfortunately, even with scientific explanations, there will still be the stupidly uninformed that would rather believe in the idiocy of their religious leaders that the truth. You know the ones that believe that the world is flat, and that the sun revolves around the earth.


Edgarpoet 5 years ago

Good writing!

What do you say about alcoholism? The government gives

financial help to those who claim to be alcoholics. Do you believe that this is a "genetic" disorder?


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for reading and commenting. My answer to your question is: absolutely not. Alcoholism is an addiction, not a genetic disorder. Unless of course addictions are genetically passed down. Which again, i do not believe they are. Perhaps, there is some kind of pre-disposition to addiction in a person's general makeup, but any addiction is either physically induced by repetitive use, or by repetitive use due to a mental need that has not been addressed.


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bloggering 5 years ago from Southern California

Good article - it's amazing that homosexuality is still such a huge issue in this day and age.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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thank you so much for reading and commenting. It truly IS amazing that people are still so narrow minded and hateful in this 'modern' society. The backwardness of religion and the fact that our government is run by a bunch of stale old farts who think they have the right to mandate their own kind of moral judgements on people needs a complete overhauling. Perhaps the next generation will be a little more enlightened, or a little more educated.


RMarotte 5 years ago

d. william-

Great article and very factual! However, it would be an opinion to say that religion is useless or could never be of use to anyone, despite the fact that it is so backwards today. That is why there is a separation between church and state. As long as the government doesn't tell you what to do religious-wise, then it's OK. That's one thing not to argue with anyone anyway... religion and politics!


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you for reading and your comments. I hope this has shed a little light on the realities of people being born gay, as opposed to being 'made' that way by circumstances.


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Denise Handlon 5 years ago from North Carolina

I love your avatar-too cool! Thanks for following me, which led to me checking your hubs out. I like this hub, short, to the point and simply stated. My nephew is gay and we 'knew' it before he actually came out. Some people don't understand. There is a lot of judgement around gender and sexuality issues. In my rural town we have had discussions of the importance of keeping his business to himself due to harassment.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you so much for reading and your comments. It is truly a sad commentary on the intelligence of the american society that in this day and age, we still have to hide who we are, for fear of physical AND physcological harm and isolation, and being victims of hate mongerers. Will people EVER wake up and realize this is NOT a choice, and NOT against God's teachings. The bible has got to be revised to reflect the truth as it IS, not the truth of how some MEN "think" it should be.


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AlexK2009 5 years ago from Edinburgh, Scotland

Umm..... The Gay liberation movement makes a lot of people who "discover" they are gay at some point.

However I have read of and know people have lived as gay and then their orientation changed. Often raising a family in the process.

If someone is gay and happy as gay then they should not be persecuted.

But sexual orientation CAN be changed IF the person involved sincerely wants it to change. Perhaps "Surrendering to Jesus" is their way to do it, perhaps abandoning their religion is the only way they can do it.

How can someone end wrongly convinced they are gay? Well if they go to a single sex school and do not get opportunities to meet the opposite sex it can happen.

So I would say

(1) Some people may be born gay. Fetal Testosterone levels may effect this in men and possibly women. For them changing may be hard if not impossible.

(2) Some people may be in an environment where they accept the label "gay" and live the lifestyle

(3) I think Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than people realise

(4) But I Am TOTALLY opposed to the homophobic rants of certain religious extremists, regardless if the religion. I suspect many of these people are in denial about conflicts in their own sexuality.

(5) For the record I am a straight male and a father. Unfortunately I have to say this because some people assume that if you are not homophobic you are homosexual.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

http://hubpages.com/profile/AlexK2009. Thanks for reading and commenting. You have some valid points, but you cannot disregard my graph above.

I have been in the medical field all my life, and have witnessed people with both fully functioning sexual organs, women with many male attributes, and men with many female attributes. These are not things that are learned, caught like you would catch a cold, or chosen as a lifestyle.

The obviously false teachings from a book does not override reality, as much as people would like to believe so. Those individuals that have 'chosen' to change from homo to hetero are not to be exalted as if some godly act 'cured' them. If this transition was so easy for some, it undoubetedly co-incides with the place they fit on the scale between male and female. There is no magic, no miracle, no divine intervention, or any such nonsense to explain this away. No one is wrongly convinced they are gay either. You either are, or you are not. Either way, it should be of no concern to others.

You are more enlightened than most of those [middle of the road religious bigots] are, but you still have a problem with self image. And i am not saying this to be insulting toward you, it is just a psychological fact. When a person feels the need to say those words: "I am straight", it signifies discomfort, and a need for acceptance. If one is secure enough with himself, or herself, they will never have a need to explain anything to anyone. Or even justify their beliefs that everyone should be treated with respect and dignity, and enjoy the same equal rights as everyone else, even though they may be "different" from the average. I try not to use the word 'normal' as this is a relative term that signifies judgemental attitudes by one person to another.

I do appreciate you comments and if all people were only half as tolerant as you, we would not be having such a debate over genetics in this world. Religion, and the professed 'holy book' have been the deepest rooted problem for the people since time began. It was borne in evilness, and spews lies and hatred, and has the audacity to say it is in the name of God?

Such hypocrites, i have never seen amongst the sane.


ScRuTTy 5 years ago

Thanks for the great example! I will be using this to explain it to narrow minded people and children who need to understand from a young age that it is normal to be gay.

:)


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AlexK2009 5 years ago from Edinburgh, Scotland

ScRuTTy: It would be better to say that Gays are a minority but being Gay is neither deviant, abnormal nor uncommon. Otherwise there is the implication that being straight is not normal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Normal for the various meanings of normal


ScRuTTy 5 years ago

Alex2009:Your totally right! the word normal should not be used to explain this, but what I wanted to say was that I want people around me to not see Gays as abnormal and that it should not be interpreted that way. And if people around me start accepting gay people as "normal" then its better than them not caring at all, I think this is a step forward. :)


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Thank you both for reading and your comments. And you are both correct in your statements to an extent. Seeing homosexuality as normal certainly does not mean that being heterosexual is abnormal. Both are a normal part of nature and should be treated the same. Neither can be held as abnormal if this is nature's creation. It will take time before society can accept that there are things in our lives that we have no control over, but the main thing to achieve first is acceptance of what God creates as God's creation; and that the Creator makes no mistakes. And it certainly is a sin against God, and humanity to pass judgement on others for any reason.


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W.R. Shinn 5 years ago

Being gay is wrong. I didn't say it God did. My belief in that, in no way means that I have a hatred, or disdain or dislike for anyone, gay or strait. I owned a ballroom dance studio and hired and worked with gay folks for years. I love them as I love others. We're all just people. We need to get over it. Pray for yourself and everyone else. We need it!

Sincerely,

W.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you for your comments.

It is nice to know you have that direct line to God as i assume that this is the ONLY way you could know what god thinks.

God 'said' no such thing. You are letting your uneducated biased religious beliefs discolor your sense of reality. The bible is nothing more than a book of words written by a bunch of politicians 300-400 years A.D. Keep you beliefs, if you will, but judgement is not yours, or any man's, to make.


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fucsia 5 years ago

A person borns blonde, a person borns black, a person borns in Africa, a person borns in Europe, a person borns poor, a person borns rich, a person borns male, a person borns homosexual, a person borns heterosexual. What is the problem? A person is born. The diversity is a strength. Who is afraid of diversity probably is afraid of something inside of him/her.

Thank you for have gave me the opportunity to share this thought and for this important page, on an important argument.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for you comments. And you hit the nail right on the head with your comment: WHO IS AFRAID OF DIVERSITY PROBABLY IS AFRAID OF SOMETHING INSIDE OF HIM/HER. This is the very basic reason why people "hate" others that are different from themselves.


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

I am sorry but I still believe gays are made not born. Many gay men had older brothers who experimeted with them,[played doctor], when they were young. I believe learning to enjoy sex with another of your sex is a learned response. Basically gay men never get past the [Playing doctor} stage of their development.

As for fear or hatred, I consider homosexaulity to be a sin but I don't hate or fear gays.


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Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. You are certainly entitled to you own opinions. Although they are based on false teachings, they are respected as long as they are not used to harm or hurt another individual. One day the evidence of genetic differences will be made public, but i expect that die hard christians will never belief anything they are told not to. Sad, that so many have been brainwashed into believing the nonsense of sin versus a natural process of evolution. Sure makes for a lot of hatred and sadness in this world. God does not make mistakes, and homosexuals are born, not created as you would have others believe. If the incidence of homosexuality were not so prevalent you might have a valid argument, but in light of the fact it is part of every culture, every country, every family, every society (even in the animal kingdom) your arguments are just not valid in the logical world of reality.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

ruff, I agree you are entitled to your opinions. I was just wondering what you base them on? Did you arraive at you opinion by examining all the evedience available or did you stick to one source for all your information. I am assuming that since this deals with science and medicine, you rely on reports from doctors and scientists for your opinion, right? If this is not the case then you must be a homosexual. I say this as I feel that only a homosexual would have the available data to argue with the countless doctors and scientists who have studied homosexuality. It's more likely that you have never knowingly met a homosexual. It's more likely that you have been taught to disagree with scientific studies by that bastian of knowledge and fact, your church. I could be wrong and if so it will only be the 5th time today. Have you ever been wrong about anything in your life? I meant anything other than the position you have been instructed to defend in this debate.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you for reading and commenting. We need to realize that "sins" are only in the minds of man. There are universal considerations for man to make laws about, like murder, rape, abuse, and anything else that one person can do another that is harmful and hurtful, but 'sins' as defined by any religion, are only what has been judged to be so by the writer of those 'sins' against the church. And to say, that 'God said those things' is a 'sin' against the Creator. No-one on this earth, whether current, past, or future, can EVER know what God intended to be sinful, or not. Other than what is taught by their own particular religion, who have their own agendas. (Taking your money, and placing guilt trips on their members to hold that control over them). And arguing that any of the "holy books" are from god's mouth to your ears is about as ludicrous as things can be. Talk about living in a fantasy world!


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mikicagle 5 years ago from Oklahoma

I had a first grade boy who loved to use his hoodie as his "long hair", wanted to always be the mother when he played house with the other children, used markers to paint his nails and as lipstick, insisted on walking in the girls line and loved to pretend he was female........I could go on and on and on but the point is-this six year old boy didn't make the choice to behave the way he did-he was just being who he was born to be. I don't know if he will be gay or transgendered when he grows up, I just know that I love him and he taught me a lesson that has effected the way I look at the issue of nature or nuture.

It broke my heart to hear some of the "adults" in the school tsk, tsk, tsk when they saw him. I even had one person tell me that it was my job to tell him that his behavior was wrong and he needed to act like a boy. My response to her (before reporting her to the principal) was that it was my job to educate him, it was God's job to make him who he was and God made him exactly the way He wanted him to be.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thank you so much for reading and commenting. And the way you handled this ignorant adult. People are so callous and ready to judge others with no realistic basis, or compassion. And yes, that is my contention also, God makes everyone for a distinct purpose, and we as humans have no right to pass judgement on anyone else.


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terryk99 5 years ago

Sure, people can choose to act out their sexuality later in life, but it was there (and theirs) from day one. I'm sure of it. I've read about ex-gay ministries and it scares me to think of the psychic damage done to people who would be perfectly happy if they just accepted themselves.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for taking the time to read and comment. If only more people had your attitude, there would be less hatred and violence being spread on this planet. Overcoming the religious ignorance is the first step to the problem. Not too likely to see any changes there in our life time. Pushing bigotry and promoting hatred and violence seems to be working well for the religious leaders and their blind followers. Just a huge case of dumb and dumber.


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

Who in the world would choose to be gay when they are hated so violently. I know that a person who is gay is born that way. It was in my family, i say, " Was " because he died. Why can't people see that? A closed mind is tragic. The videos touched me, such hate. Hate is a taught trait, if adult parents would teach their crildren to love, and if someone is different than them, it's ok. Thank you. Your Hub should enlighten...


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for your words of encouragement. I could not agree with you more. The hatred for anything (anyone) that is different stems mostly from religious teachings of intolerance and bigotry based on a lie perpetrated by those who would control others, simply for the sake of control and for profit. I always have to laugh when i hear people say - "God said it, i didn't", or "it's a sin because it says so in the bible", or "it's not natural". People (some of them) are so stupidly narrow minded.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

As a homosexual man, thank you everyone who has contributed to this Hub. You have put into words the main arguments so well, better than I could have stated.

I am not effeminate, and do not try to be. Feminine clothes and the female form do not give me any sexual urge at all. This does not mean I have disrespect for females, far from it. It even allows me to address women for their qualities other than sexual. I believe many heterosexual men find that difficult!

The self-serving rants of those bigot who get up on a dais and shout anti-gay rubbish I find abominable. Yet we cannot prevent them, only hope they will see their faults and want to change.

In my opinion there are much more important things to work for in this world, like honesty in business; honesty in politics; honesty in religion; honesty within ONE'S SELF.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Welcome to my hubpages. Thank you for reading and taking the time to comment. It is time that we all (as intelligent adults) stop the attacks on any minority by the wacky religious zealots who would kill all who oppose them, as is their history. I really do not care if they want to spend their entire lives living in the past and praying to the air, but i do care about them sticking their dam noses in everyone else's business. And if the GOP gains any more power in this country they will be building many more prisons to house the gay population, and the women who defy their new rules against them as well.


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KoffeeKlatch Gals 3 years ago from Sunny Florida

Outstanding hub, awesome and up. In the 2nd video I found the question, "Is the reason you ask me to change is so you can stay the same?" very interesting. I believe you are who you are. You don't need fixing, you don't deserve to be second class citizens. No one should be told who they can or cannot love.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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thanks for reading and your great comments.

did you see on the news recently that the supreme court has declared that "human genes" cannot be patented?

This is of great significance for the GLBT community. There have been many genes isolated that could effect the pharmaceutical companies that patented them then hid them from public view. Anyone who spoke about those genes were censured by law.

It is amazing what these large corporations have done to us without us even knowing about it.

It took this 'gene patent' issue through the fight from lower courts to the supreme court and probably over many years to finally be resolved.

We should never have to fight for rights to this extent. It would not surprise me if the "gay gene" was patented by the vatican in order to preserve their stance on how much God hates homosexuals.


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania

"Holy S........t" no less.... lol.

Glad to see your hubs are still alive, d.w !


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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I am not quite sure how that comment was meant? Did you expect my hubs NOT to be still active on H.P.? Although they may not be main stream, at least HP, and those who rate them, may not like the contents of many of them, HP has not banned me yet. They just refuse to place ads on those that use such offensive words a "rape" , and the words "conservative and gay" in the same sentence.


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania

I was being complimentary but trying to be humerous at the same time.

Noticing that there had not been a comment on your hub for 12months. I sometimes feel that hubs can be a bit too much for some people to cope with, when they come from a preset moral field. These sort of hubs are the more important ones, as far as I am concerned... thanks for yours.

I suspect the filtering out of words such as you mentioned above is done by the computers, unable to use a bit of human common sense.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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the lack of interest in some hubs seem to be random, but HP often removes them from being featured due to their upgrading and higher expectations of writers.

This one had several things wrong with it. I have been re-writing, updating, and making sure my older hubs are in compliance with the newer requirements of HP in their attempt to improve the quality of hubs in general.

It may be strictly for monetary reasons on their part, but by "fixing" many disparities in my older hubs, i have increased the traffic to my pages immensely.

I do appreciate your taking time to read and comment on my hubs. I have been remiss in returning the gesture in the past, but now that i have at least minimally made all my hubs deserving of that coveted "featured" status it gives me more time to read and visit those who i have neglected in the past.


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania

A few of my hubs have received that empty circle status, and I have attempted to rehash them slightly. But now I am not going to push them to featured status, if people see them on my profile that is sufficient. To alter them any more just for a wider audience would defeat their purpose.


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Ella Quirk 3 years ago

I doubt the bits about gays being an 'abomination' are likely to be a misinterpretation - the Bible is just too morally backward in too many areas. This isn't surprising when you consider when it was written.

Personally I don't think it matters all that much if people are born gay or not. After all, pedophiles might be born pedophiles but that doesn't make it acceptable does it? Plus it sort of implies a "oh yes it's wrong but they can't help it" attitude.

No, the question for me is whether or not being gay is moral/immoral. and I can't see that is is immoral -homosexuality seems to be just a variation on a spectrum.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for your comments. People erroneously link pedophilia with homosexuality, but one has nothing to do with the other, except they are both birth anomalies.

The major difference between the two as far as a moral stance goes, is that love/marriage and intimacy between two consenting adults should never be questioned by anyone - especially based on the outdated ignorance of religious teachings.

Pedophilia is another matter. Although it may be a genetic anomaly, what makes it different is the infringing on the child's innocence by an adult. That is harmful to the child on so many levels.

Some argue that the exposure to same sex couples is somehow harmful to children. This is absurd and could not be further from the truth. One does not "learn" or "catch" homosexuality and exposing children to a loving same sex couple has no more of a detrimental effect on that child than exposure to opposite sex couples other than the parents of the child.


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania

I suggest that it's the unhealthy attitude to sexuality, period, that is the cause of the problem in our society.

In England, when I was growing up, sex was never talked about with other adults, let alone children. It was hushed up, as though it was the most evil thing in the world and totally forbidden by God and your parents.

Humour on the radio, and later the television, was always couched in vague innuendos and double talk. Never anything honest and open! Always made out to be dirty, so "nice people" didn't talk about it.

Yet it WAS being done by so many people in secret..... leading a double life, a lie unto themselves and everyone else!

Today, having lived away from England for many years, but with the occasional visit, I see the horrible stuff they put up on TV. It's crude, sick, in-your-face, often not-funny, make-sex-silly-nonsense..... then they call it humour!

Who is helping young children to grow up with a healthy knowledge and attitude to sex and sexuality? Who is teaching them that it can be beautiful, wonderful, uniting, shareable and nothing to be ashamed of?

Even something sexual that just happens to happen between an older person and a younger person...... don't magnify it out of all proportions. Help the child to understand and deal with the situation, instead of piling on the guilt and anguish.

That child is going to grow up. Help him/her NOT to rely on exploitation and the harming of others through bullying. Integrated, loving, productive and successful life is the objective.

Our society needs to grow up and "get a life." Honestly!


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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I could not agree with you more. Sounds like your upbringing was a mirror or mine. When the sexual liberation took place people went wild and took it to the extreme in the other direction - from hiding what they actually do behind closed doors - to blatantly throwing it in the faces of the prudes.

I believe that we are seeing some moderation taking place again.

Now that the gay 'scene' has shown their blatant rebellion against society and are gaining more respect, acceptance, and equality, there is no longer any need to maintain that "in your face" attitude.

The media has gone way past any shades of pale when it comes to reporting sexual scandals in any medium. The movies are also taking sexual exploitation to new levels of debauchery. But we can't help but admit that such depravity exists in our society, it always has, and probably always will.

The good part of bringing it to the surface is the exposure might make people think twice about committing such atrocities against another human being. The bad part is the possibility that it will work in the wrong direction and make those on the cusp think it is OK with society to practice depravity, bondage and abuse against others.

We can only hope that, that too will level off and be kept out of view of the children who might be affected by it.

Although exposure can make children more aware, and more careful not to allow themselves to be put in a position where they can be easily exploited. Children are not as dumb, or as easily influenced, as adults try to make them out to be.

My personal regret is seeing same sex marriages being accepted at a stage in my life that i now realize how much i have missed and will never experience.

thanks for your added thoughts that only help to enhance this important topic.


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standontherock 2 years ago from Allentown, PA

d.william if you don't agree with me than stop harassing me. I disagree with what you say. We have our own belief. Once again get off my back. Get off my hubs. Stop the harassment. Have a nice day. May your god help you. You said my GOD didn't write anything, that's your opinion since you don't believe, I am not going to waste my time to explain. Once again stop harassing me


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d.william 2 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

stand: Odd how we see things in such different ways. You voice your opinions as fact and expect everyone to believe them as you do. And yet, when you encounter an opposing view you consider them as harassment. People who are blind to the truth are also deaf to it as well.

Your plight is to be viewed with sympathetic empathy. Being gay is not a choice and denying your own happiness based on flawed teachings is more than sad. It is truly pathetic.


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standontherock 2 years ago from Allentown, PA

You know I'm going to allow your hubs to school me. Lets see if your god can help me open my eyes and ears......Lets see what your god has


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jonnycomelately 2 years ago from Tasmania

That's right Stand. Stand on your beliefs. Stand on your morals. Stand on your rights to believe any dam thing you choose.

But whatever you do, don't allow earthly logic to get in the way. It can only lead to knew knowledge and that might dispel some of your treasured beliefs.


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d.william 2 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

stand:

I hope you DO allow my writing to ''school'' you. No one is above the learning of new ideas. If we have an open mind, an open heart, and the willingness to consider the possibility that we just might be wrong with our adamant belief system of closed mindedness, then there is some hope for a better understanding of what life is all about after all.

The only way to reconcile religious differences is to finally recognize that there must be more than one God. Every religion touts their God as being the only one to follow. Every religion cannot be the final truth, ergo, it is logical to deduct that NO religion has the absolute truth, except for those who chose to follow the one they were brainwashed into as a child.

j.c.l.:

Frankly i do not understand why I even attempt to explain anything to those who are so blinded by their indoctrination process that they can not see beyond their own noses, that there is a great big world beyond themselves.

I would suppose that there must be some sort of comfort to be had in maintaining a closed mind.


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standontherock 2 years ago from Allentown, PA

Thanks jonnycomelately

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