Are you Saved, when you are "Born Again"?

Are You saved, when you are born again?


There is so much controversy over salvation, what it is, how to receive it, is it forever, can you lose it?


Most churches and most professing to be Christians equate being “born again” with salvation..

Most people have been taught that water baptism is a public show of their faith.

Many people are taught and even more people believe that water baptism is not necessary.

And then very many have been taught to not believe in the baptism in the holy Spirit or that He is not for today..

Some churches teach you cannot lose your salvation.

Some churches teach you can lose your salvation.


Since there is so much confusion, lets see what scriptures have to say about this doctrine so we can know the truth.


Ye Must Be Born Again

The bible tells us that in order to enter the kingdom of God one must be born again. So in order to become a Christian, a Christ follower, then we must be born again.


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

1 Peter 1:22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,


You must believe in Him


The first step is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the Savior of whosoeverwill. That you are a sinner in need of a Savior. That He paid the blood sacrifice for your sins as required, and accept His payment for your sins as sufficient and total payment thereby making you able to stand before God without a charge against you.


Mark 1:14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,

Mark 16:15-16

5 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved;

You must Repent


After you believe you must repent, be truly sorry for your current and past sins and ask to be forgiven.

When you ask, He forgives you and cleanses you from all your unrighteousness so now you stand before God as a righteous son.

Matt4 :17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Mark 1:14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


You must be baptized in Water


Next you must be baptized by immersion in water. A local,pond, a lake, a river, a swimming pool, it does not matter where, but you must be, preferably right away by the person responsible for your conversion . There are two reasons for this baptism in water. One-- Scripture requires it and two- Your hard natural heart of man is circumsized during the baptism, allowing it to receive the things of God,


John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved;

Acts 2: 38 "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins;

Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcizion of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


You must be Baptized in the Holy Spirit


The next step, being baptized in the Holy Spirit usually takes place after, but can take place at the same time as water baptism, and can occur before. If it occurs at the same time as water baptism they will come out of the water speaking in tongues. We must have this baptism, because it is at this time that we are filled with the Holy Spirit. He comes then to live in us. Two things happen, (Acts 1) He gives us the “power” to be a Christian and He will teach us ALL truth.

Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth;



Are we ”saved” Yet ?

Here are some of the scriptures that talk about who is “saved. If you will notice all but one say will or shall be saved. And the other one Acts 2 vs 47 talks about those that are being saved.

All three of these words refer to salvation as a future act, will, shall and are being. So lets look at the Greek words for these 3 .

Interestingly all three of these are from one greek word.

NT:4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively):

This word means to save, deliver or protect. Can you be saved , delivered or protected from something that does not exist? Can the phrase endures to the end have a different meaning? Its clear and there are more scriptures than these here that say that.



Matt 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13: And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved

John 10: 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved,

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.

Acts 2:47 And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

Acts 11:14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."

Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved,

Rom 5:9 having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.



Then we have these scriptures , what are we to do with them? They clearly say we are BEING SAVED.



Mark 13:20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

1 Cor 1:18 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

2 Cor 2:15 For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing

I cant find scripture to say that anyone is yet “saved”. I find a multitude of scriptures that say we are being saved, that we shall be saved and that we will be saved, if we endure to the end. But there are none that say we have been saved and we will always be saved, and can not lose it.

Conclusion

So what can we conclude from this look at scripture? I cannot see how we can reach an other conclusion but that there are steps to salvation and it is a process that goes on throughout our lives. And if we take advantage of these steps, which make us into Spiritual people, with the ability to receive the things of God , the power to fulfill them and the ability to understand ALL truth, when we die or if the Day of the Lord comes during our lifetime, and we endure until the end,we will, no, we SHALL be SAVED. But also we see that being Born again is not being saved, it is the first step towards our eventual salvation.

Note- I don't know if a deathbed salvation is valid or not, it appears that it may be, but we do not have a direct answer on that. Why would anyone want to take a chance on that. I hope it is, I will continue to work toward that if it is the only option, but I cannot guarantee anyone that it is in fact true.

BUT if you follow the steps above and endure to the end I can guarantee THAT YOU WILL BE SAVED, because GOD SAYS so.

I would also ask can you lose something you have not yet received?

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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Friend this has proven to be a good hub. Questioning and probing and learning and sharing are just so Christ like. Thank you.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

porshad--well actually someone recently pointed out that this was an act of Jesus UNDER THE OLD testament so the new does not apply here. and since ALL authority on heaven and earth was His He had the authority to do so.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

yes when you bury something is is submerged whether it is dirt, water, cow manure or whatever) so it is no longer visible. I will end this conversation with this and we will just have to disagree.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

nature boy-- I ill respond soon to your last post to me. I am looking at it and at first glance it looks like i will agree but i need to probe deeper

thanks


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

Valdimir Uhri,

The best biblical example and explanation of grace is Isaiah 7:15-16 where we're given the right to explore evil {civilized laws} and good {self-reproducing environment's laws} in order to choose one over the other. Do you realize the sons of god, Genesis one's man, were living the self-reproducing environment's laws is why they were "mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4F with the abilities Jesus demonstrated but without understanding it) before intermarrying the daughters of man {Adam's descendants} and causing those abilities to be drowned out of everyone except Noah and his son's families, as the sunrise of civilization by spreading it the world over?

The Bible's definition of Faith is Hebrews 11:1 is (my paraphrasing) finding substance and evidence to verify the unseen beliefs and hopes. I have found evidence to support my knowing Yeshua's, called Jesus, returned from the discarnated state by the many NDE (near death experiences) and OBE (outa body experiences) revealed today. Also, my experiences have revealed christ, the knowledge Yeshua was anointed with (John 1:1-3), is what governs the reborn who find substance and evidence to realize Yeshua did return from the discarnated state and were directed by spirit to return to the self-reproducing environment to be among those who are left upon the earth (Isaiah 7:22 & Matthew 24:13).

It's because I have received a renewed mind by the above realization of grace and faith that I am able to live in the self-reproducing environment as John 3:8 say the born again will do by have no place to call home except the earth (Matthew 19:29) and all man as our family. Wouldn't that be a renewed mind to recognize all man as one family? So, what do I lack, if anything?


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Vladimir Uhri 3 years ago from HubPages, FB

NatureBoy. There are many things to say about our discussion. But remember to believe in resurrected Jesus from the death and confessing Jesus is LORD is only start. It is like proclamation on the Bible on court you are telling the truth. It does not mean court is over. Do you know what I mean? Renewing of mind (soul) is process of growing for those who received Grace by faith. Paul is writing to Christians not to pagans but still carnal.


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

Celafoe,

Revelation's full interpretation is available to us but we must leave of organized church's doctrines (Isaiah 28:9-13) and open ourselves up to the spirit's (he's) teachings.

The USA is MYSTERY BABYLON of Revelation 17-18 therefore Lucifer and the Beast are 1% of the 1% the Occupy Movement talk about and the US government say are "to big to fail" and "to big to jail." Isaiah 14 say they will become like any other man. That doesn't make them satan but make them those who are responsible for today's world conditions and are ruling Mystery Babylon.

People who have studied reincarnation see it throughout the bible but people who reject it are blinded by their refusing to open themselves up to it. When Daniel is told he will "stand in his lot" in the last days he is being told about being reincarnated. Revelation 20:4-5 are about reincarnation, the people in Revelation 6:9-11 will be reincarnated during the first millennium and those killed in 19:21 will be reincarnated to enter the "new heaven and earth," a spiritual civilization on this "rejuvenated" earth (see Ecc. 1:9) .

The word dominion means "to exceed the ability of" which the People coming out of the spiritual civilization were able to do until the flood destroyed (killed) that ability out of them making everyone like Adam had been, without those powers. The man Jesus demonstrated those abilities to show those of us who are "born again" what we will become. It is written, "when we see him we shall be like him" and we will do what he did and greater things.

Everything I say is biblical scripture, it isn't organized church's doctrine, however.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

naturman--- The man talked about in Isaiah is not one of the beasts in Revelation. The man in Isaiah is Nebuchadnezzar. See verse 4. I am still not sure who the beasts in Revelation are, because I do not believe that God has given the full interpretation of revelation yet. Yes I know all the teachings floating around and I say not one of them is correct. Some have some truth, but not one has the true full interpretation. In fact parts of revelation have most likely been fulfilled already.

It appears you are saying Lucifer is satan, which is false. It clearly says lucifer is the king of babylon, Nebudchadnezzar. Satan was created by and works under the authority of God . Since Jesus defeated death and hell satan has No Power unless the individual falls for his temptation, according to James 1: 12-14, thereby empowering him.

Please explain your comment on reincarnation as that is not a scriptural doctrine.

and i do not understand your comment on "dominion abilities" . If you are saying all that was previously lost was restored in Christ, then i agree.

Maybe its just me , but I have trouble understanding your coments.


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

Valdimir Uhri,

That's the doctrine man desire us to believe, it's no threat to the money people the Bible calls "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14 and "the beast" in Revelation 13.

Yes and no concerning the trinity of our beings. No because it isn't only man and yes because all life are triune beings, body, life-force and mind, and the life-force mind combinations continue to reincarnate until, after becoming man, we have fulfilled experiencing everything earth has to teach for obtaining the "dominion abilities" Genesis 1 man and he who is called Jesus the christ demonstrated. It was lost from all of the first man except Noah and his son's families (see http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/vision.htm#unseale... Know ing that is a threat to Lucifer.


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Vladimir Uhri 3 years ago from HubPages, FB

I came back, could not resist. I believe I already wrote Hub about this. We are triune beings. Man is spirit, has the soul and lives in the body. Being born again is taking place in the heart (spirit of the man). It is God work on the basis of our faith and God act. It is being saved by Grace through faith. It is invisible transformation inside of man. It is painless transplantation of the heart. The fruit of spirit fallows.

The mind (soul) of the man is not necessary being saved yet. His minds still may be operated in the old thinking. The man has to work that part of salvation by spending time in the Word, speaking word loud, praying, including in the spirit, listening audio teaching, changing mind. "Saving" body is perhaps the third stage (healing or resurrection). But being born again (new creation) walking in the spirit is first basic step for eternal salvation. Additionally man needs the family (fellowship) like baby cannot live and survive alone so to speak.

(I did not cover yet baptism of the Holy Spirit)


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

I realized what you were saying so I addressed it to you with the intent of others seeing there is a lots more to the "new birth" than saying they have accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. I felt like you misunderstood my intent is why I replied the way I did but I wanted to be sure. Thanks for understanding.

I did leave 2 typos in it, the first one needs to be corrected is "The tail shortening and leg growing is their gestating and their learning to breath air and no longer able to breath air is their trivial" is the sentence with "no longer able to breath air" the typo, it should have been "no longer able to breath water" instead or air. And the word "would" is doubled at the end of the second paragraph which I didn't see when proofing it.

Again, thanks.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

nature boy-- I read what you said several times and apparently I still misunderstood you. Forgive me. I thought you were saying this is not valid without the addition. I agree the addition is helpful, especially making sure that a new convert understands there will be trials etc.

and I certainly do include what you spoke of when introducing a new convert to the Kingdom.

This article was written as a correction to the bombardment from those that believe in calvanism and other false doctrines .

AS you know, salvation is a process.

Please feel free to comment and next time i will ask if I dont fully understand. Thanks


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

Celafoe,

I was agreeing with you but didn't say directly if or not the new birth is "the sum of salvation," I left it up to each individual to determine for themselves.

I gave the benefit of what happened during my "new birth" experience (put NatureBoy in google search and my site comes up with THE BOOK OF ELIJAH: A LETTER TO THE WORLD as my entire testimony). It was not meant to belittle anyone, only to encourage by the benefit of my experiences. However, if that's the way you feel I will not comment anymore on your posts.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

that is exactly what Sanhedrin claimed, their scripture and their rules. Stop with the rules. There are no rules. God decides not us.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric-- sanhedrin??? no! scripture


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Celefoe, you speak of steps that we take. Wonderful. So we are in control by going through rituals in "steps"? I will never get used to this Sanhedrin way of mind. But I am trying to understand it.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

nature boy--- I do not see the need for such as you require in this article.

Yes there are steps that are part of becoming an adult Christian, but that was not what this article was about. I can write them if you wish. But this article was about whether or not being born again is the sum of salvation which many claim it to be, esp most baptists, which it is not. It is the first step towards salvation..


jcYehweh 3 years ago

Great Hub!


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The0NatureBoy 3 years ago from Washington DC

Celafor,

Romans 1:20 suggests everything, the godhead included, is revealed by the things made, and my experiences has revealed that include the self-reproducing environment as well as man made things. You gave us scriptures concerning being reborn but didn't use the natural birth to to reveal what happens when we are born again. Doesn't the natural birth have a conception, gestation, trivial, birth, babyhood, childhood, adolescence and adulthood, then who is born again without having a similar testimony. The metamorphoses is nature's representation of the new birth, which Paul then said we becomes a new creation after it, and the tadpole is a prime example of becoming a new creation, like the following.

The frog's egg hatches into tadpoles which are babies that grow into adults before their "new conception" of tails shorten and legs growing. The tail shortening and leg growing is their gestating and their learning to breath air and no longer able to breath air is their trivial. Once they sit upon a lily pad breathing air they are born but they are only babies and must grow through childhood aND adolescence to become an adult "new creation" as Paul called it. Do you have such a testimony you can tell everyone about what happened during your conception, gestation, trivial, birth, baby and childhoods, adolescence and, if you are, your adulthood which I believe only arrives when we have the powers Jesus demonstrated and said we would would exceed (John 14:12).

If you do not have that then how can you justify your doctrine of what it takes to become born again?


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

Vladimir, yes i agree you are born again by faith alone.

Have you written about your escape journey? I would love to hear your story


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Vladimir Uhri 3 years ago from HubPages, FB

An excellent review. Congrats. But God's Word is so awesome as God is. Our limitation is we are under the control of opinions and we have variety of view. This is why Lord put priority on faith and Love. Even we do not understand everything we have to believe. When we dislike someone we must love. I am writing Hub of those issues. *** Those who teach we cannot loose salvation is that it is contract between Father God and His Son and it is unbreakable. Others my say Adam was created perfect and lost it. *** I confirm rest of your quoted scriptures. Only few points: I do baptize in the water submersion and here we have plenty of water. I think it is testimony to us, public, angels, Satan and our Lord of course. It testifies we were buried and came out and justified. But only by faith we are saved. It is resurrection of Jesus and dominion by Him over our life as the Lord (Rom 10:9-10). John said I baptize you with water, but He is who will baptize you with Holy Spirit and fire. *** Regarding "repent" I do understand it the way that repentance means return. The Lord was teaching specifically of Covenant people not the world, gentile. They suppose to return where they should be and being before. John in his letter was writing to covenant Christians. The world people may ask us "what repent?" Should we first covenant them? :) They do not know the law and have no covenant yet. But being born of God is much simpler everyone has the heart and mouth. I quoted Roman 10.

I love you celafoe.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I find nothing to indicate that the baptism in water cannot be spit. I think of sight gained by spit.


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Porshadoxus 3 years ago from the straight and narrow way

Celafoe-

I'm not sure what your response means. I have the Word of Jesus for myself as well- the Bible. Based on your conclusion, I don't need water or Spirit baptism to enter heaven.


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

Hello celafoe.

Wow. Intriguing. Your Hub is reaching its validity. The Scripture has been presented as an evidence to a curious English speaking audience.

Is there anyone willing to escape the eternal damnation ? Let him/her follow own heart's desire . In my life I've seen/heard many testimonies , living loooong enough among " professing" , " Christians " ," born- again " , man- made Christians ... My observation is: " it is between you and your God, " the matter of eternal destination. An open question would like to be answered , have " we " been pruned by " the Father" so that we are more " fruitful?

Paul the Apostle have noticed of " first generation disciples" inclining toward popular commercial " sale " market as 50% off " grace for sale "" "when he wrote ," heed what I say : work with fear and trembling to complete your salvation." (Philip. 2:12)

Voted useful and interesting.

Shalom


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Celafoe, Well done and thank you. We are growing and that for sure is the will of our God.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric--- your choice its good enough for me. if God is the same yesterday, today and forever the important things like this should also be unchanging.

You are free to disagree with me no problem there


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Buddy I get how you read it. It just is too big a leap for me. Like I said it seems like a great way to do it, but I see nothing that makes it a rule or law. On this one it is not even close to telling us this is how we must do it.

Do you have some other references? I think you have a good point on how they did it back then. But that does not a rule make. Otherwise you have serious issues living in a modern world.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric--- here the the meaning of the original word

NT:4916 -sunqa/ptw- sunthapto (soon-thap'-to); from NT:4862 and NT:2290; to inter in company with, i.e. (figuratively) to assimilate spiritually (to Christ by a sepulture as to sin):

when one is interred they are fully covered.

and if they did not want to fully submerge them why would the baptisms in scripture take place in the river, if they could just sprinkle them with holy water they would not need to go to the river.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Celafoe, you do not make any case for submersion rather than pouring. And yes it does happen during baptism -- this burying of the old. And it does not even say "fully" buried.

You need to work on that rule.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

porsh-- you can stop worrying, he has the Word of Jesus for himself


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Porshadoxus 3 years ago from the straight and narrow way

Now I'm worried about the man on the cross next to Jesus. Was Jesus lying to him when Jesus told him he would be in paradise? The man on the cross was neither baptized in water nor baptized in the Spirit.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric -its not the water , but what happens in the water to the individual


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric -it means that also

but in the context of the verse it is talking about what happens during baptism ie Buried with Him in baptism


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

So buried to you means immersed in water? To me it means that my old self is dead and I am a new creation.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

check Col 2 vs 12 it right there to be buried would require immersion. Muddy river water is fine

There is no requirement that the water be prayed over. any water will work.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I think I read all your citations correctly. But I did not see "immersion" in there. Could you point that out for my feeble brain. I cannot see how immersion in a cattle tank would be better than poured water that had been prayed over. I get John and Jesus, and that sounds like the best but not exclusive.

I agree with you that it is best for man to follow your process. And it makes sense that I still suffer from my sins, because I am in the process of being saved. That is a good point.

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