The Truth about Psychology in the Church

Psychological Counseling in the Church of Jesus Christ

Psychological Counseling and
The Church of Jesus Christ

What Scripture Says About Psychological Counseling


Psychology - and the Body of Christ
Like the rest of the world, most of the "church world" has accepted psychology
as a valid means to help God's people. In the majority of churches
today, instead of dealing with and exposing sin in a scriptural manner (which
upsets people), the leaders send the saints to the psyche doctors. In fact,
in many churches the leaders are psyche doctors or they have one on "staff".
They have come up with great "churchy" sounding names for these new "ministries"
, Christian Counselor, Pastoral Counselor, etc.
But What Does God Have to Say About This?
The following will clearly show the heart and mind of God on this issue.

The Care & Feeding of the Christian Flesh

Before we can look at this subject we must find a scriptural description of
the flesh.
What is the flesh?
Greek #4561 FLESH = SARX = flesh - meat of an animal -
body as opposed to spirit - symbolic of external human
nature - human beings - carnal mind of man (natural man)
- unregenerated mind of man.
So we can see when we refer to the flesh we are talking about the soul
realm of the natural man that has not been brought into subjection to the
Spirit of God.
What is the nature of the flesh? (according to God)
The best description of the flesh is found in:
Gal 5:16-2516
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of
the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do
not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,
fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts
of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murder, drunkenness, revelries, and the like;
of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time
past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the
kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its
passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

see esp. verses 19 - 20 - 21 ... in this we can see that ALL the problems men
have are simply fruit of their flesh. They are just "doing what comes naturally".

What Does God Think of Our Flesh

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that
you do not do the things that you wish.
Romans 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make
NO provision for the flesh to fulfill its lusts.
Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God

There are many more scriptures on the subject, but we should get the full
message from these three. God has no use for the flesh - it is against God
and we must deal with it according to scripture.
What am I to do with my flesh?
The word of God is clear on how we are to treat our flesh.
Romans 13:14 Make NO provision for the flesh
Gal 5:24 Those who are alive to Christ, have crucified the flesh.
Again:
Romans 8:8 If you live in the flesh, you cannot please God.
Romans 8:13 If you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the
Spirit; you put to death the deeds of the body, you will LIVE

Do you see it? We are to Crucify the flesh, we are not to let our natural man
do anything. HE HAS TO DIE, so that we can please God and live. We are
not to try to understand our flesh, we are not to make provision for our flesh.
WE ARE TO KILL IT (Crucify it). We have no need for anything beyond the
Word of God. He says crucify it, man (psychology) says - understand it -
"...but - but - you know it's not my fault, help me understand..."
NO! NO! Just crucify anything that is not according to the Word of God
Then you will LIVE!

How Did Jesus (our example) Handle His Flesh?

Let's look at John 5:19-30
Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I
say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He
sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does
in like manner.
20 "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that
He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than
these, that you may marvel.
21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them,
even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement
to the Son,“
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who
sent Him.
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not
come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now
is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and
those who hear will live.
26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the
Son to have life in Himself,
27 "and has given Him authority to execute judgment also,
because He is the Son of Man.
28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who
are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth - those who have done good, to the resurrection
of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection
of condemnation.
30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but
the will of the Father who sent Me.

esp. verse 30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but
the will of the Father who sent Me.
Jesus did not ever allow His flesh control. He at all times, in all things,
controlled His flesh. His Spirit was always in control as the above scripture
commands us to do. It certainly worked for Him, and since He came as our
example it will surely work for us if we do it God's way.
The Devil Made Me Do It - - - HOGWASH!!!!!!! Again, let's look at scripture.
If we are going to profess to be Christians and try to walk with God, then it's
time we come to the place where we go to scripture to understand everything.
According to God's Word the devil cannot make you do anything. It is not
his fault, It's your fault! James 1:12-16
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has
been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the
Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by
God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He
Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his
own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Note verse 14, we are tempted when we allow who to draw us away?
OUR FLESH, that's who, when we let the natural (carnal) man
have control. Verse 25 says clearly that if we do as the word
requires, we will be blessed.
James 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and
continues in it,and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work,
this one will be blessed in what he does.
It's time the Body of Christ was taught the TRUTH. Satan has no
authority or control over you unless you allow it.
James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he
will flee from you.
verse 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
Do you see it now? Get close to God - crucify your flesh and do what scripture
says to do and you will LIVE. God never promised the wonderful, trouble
free life that most radio-tv and other ministries preach. This is a great thing to
teach if you desire to cause men to follow you. But God never made these
promises. He promised good health and life. Jesus told us we would have
trouble and be rejected of men if we follow Him, but... He said if we persevere
(hold on) till the end we would not die, but LIVE forever with God.
I am not going to show the roots of psychology here, the ungodly evil men
that founded the movement or the ungodliness that always follows it. Nor will
I go into a discussion of the fact that they have never helped anyone. Maybe
delayed the inevitable, but never has one person been healed by psychology.

To be healed according to scripture means to LIVE FOREVER.
I will however show what psychology is according to scripture.
Pysche the mind, esp. the governing part of a person - natural part of a
person - carnal person = FLESH
Psychology is the unscriptural act of understanding the flesh so that provision
can be made for it.
"Behold I set before you today, a blessing and a curse: The blessing, if you
obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today;
and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your
God, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to go after
other gods which you have not known.
... Deuteronomy 11:26-28
"Choose you this day, who you will serve"

Comments 4 comments

Eddy Von 22 months ago

Starting out with (your words)

"I have told you before We live in THE NEW TESTAMENT NOT THE OLD."

You may live in the New Testament- but I am a grown adult individual who needs not to be told where I live and which verses in the bible I should read and adhere to.

This is quite insulting - It amazes me that you are insistent only the new testament applies to Gods law. I read the entire bible, along with Gnostic and dead sea scrolls, as well as many other scholarly views. I am a life time student and open to learn from others views with a peaceful, intelligent dialog.

I am curious: Do you confide in friends, family, your minister, or anyone and seek advice? then that must be wrong, because they would be considered "counselors"

I will say: I am a minister and I have a Masters degree in Psychology.

You say:

"Psychology uses such things as hidden memory, past experiences, past treatment by others (witchcraft)and you know all the stuff they use. Here are a couple of scriptures of how to deal with those spiritist , from the OT."

Psychology is the study of human behavior,

Psychiatric studies are of the human mind.

There is a huge difference.

Theology and Human behavior has always interested me. Past experiences; socio-economics; environmental up-bringing etc does affect how a person behaves and how one develops their belief system. I for one find it fascinating, and not one ounce of evil or occult nor witchcraft is applied. I am not sure where you came up with these?

I am not here to argue with you, and as I stated in the beginning:

May peace be with you in all your days, let us share in Gods word and discuss rather than debate! Much love always..


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celafoe 22 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

Eddy- Taking your scriptures 1 x 1 -- 15 scriptures –

I have told you before We live in THE NEW TESTAMENT NOT THE OLD.

You give me 8 scriptures from the OT to try to prove that counselors will include the use of psyche false doctors In the true church.

In the old testament , which Jesus fulfilled and completed and then with His death and resurrection replaced with the kingdom of God., a totally new creation. You cannot use the OT to outline the new things so I will not address them again.

In the OT there men between man and God , in the NT all are to be directly related to God, no man in the middle, just Christ is between man and God and He gives us direct access via the Holy Spirit of God to God himself. Un the OT it was wise to have many counsellors as they were depending on man not God. But in the NT we have the Holy Spirit and He was sent to give us ALL TRUTH, so we need to hear from Him.

You are clinging to the old church pattern , which was done away with in Christ. ALL men are equal, no man is above another, the head of man is Christ alone, any man trying to take headship of another man is evil and is not of God. That is the pattern of the churches of men. Since they are churches of men and not of God then it follows that they will use the false psyche cult along with their other unscriptural means( progams, tithes etc ) to bring people in to their bondage ,which Jesus died to set us free from.

Now for the NT scriptures you used

Matt 23:34-35

34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,

Surely you are not foolish enough to claim these false drs are any of these things. They are not even wise enough to see that what they do is not scriptural.

2 Cor 1:3-11

8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life. 9 Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead, 10 who delivered us from so great a death, and does* deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us,

2 Cor 9:17 no such scripture, 1-7 has no application here.

Gal 6:1-3

6 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

Yes it requires a SPIRITUAL person to help

Col 1:28-29

28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

Psychology is the works of man it does not and can not present Christ no matter what some apostate ministers teach.

2 Tim 2:15-16

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

If anything this scripture condemns the psyche cult

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The man of God uses ONLY SCRIPTURE, not the works of man,You have not provided one scripture in context to support the psyche cult but have provided several that support the man of God uses ONLY SCRIPTURE and the aid of the Holy Spirit.

Psychology IS NOT OF GOD and anyone using it is going contrary to scripture and should be rebuked and certainly is not allowed in the church of Christ. If your church uses the psyche cult then they are not of God and He has no part in them.

John 14:23-28

23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me 25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you


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celafoe 22 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

,Eddy- the words counsel, counsellor, counselors do not appear in the NT but once

Rom 11:34

34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord ?

Or who has become His counselor?"*

which shows God has no need for a man to counsel Him.

WE DO NOT LIVE UNDER THE OT... But under the New Testament.

Most of your scriptures have NO place in this discussion as they are not relevant at all.

All the NT scriptures you use will lead you to the fact that ALL counsel is to come from the Holy Spirit of God. If you lay down all your teaching and allow the Holy spirit to lead you to all truth while studying this in the NT. I am not trying to insult you but to encourage you to seek TRUTH and not the false help of man. You have bought the lies of the institutions of man in this discussion and not the truths of scripture.

OT scripture cannot be used in this study because the Holy Spirit was not available to them, there were men between man and God, but under the NT NO MAN is to stand between man and God, the head of man is CHRIST, not another man. Under the OT when counsel came from man , then it was wise to seek many WISE men to avoid error, but under the NT we must seek the Holy Spirit who is available to all who are part of the church.

Any Christian that uses psychology is not of God and cannot be trusted because scripture says we can only serve ONE MASTER and God WILL NOT share those of His with another spirit. If one fully trusts GOD then it is impossible to use the ways of man in HIS(God's) church, because to do so shows that God is not able to take care of His own.

The false Drs of psyche are not to be consulted or used as they are led by a different spirit ( dont believe me, read the history of the founders of this cult). Scripture is clear we are to only receive from one Spirit , the Spirit of God and anyone that comes with a different spirit is not to be heard.

What business does a 2000 year + old church have with a few hundred year old cult?

Psychology uses such things as hidden memory, past experiences, past treatment by others (witchcraft)and you know all the stuff they use. Here are a couple of scriptures of how to deal with those spiritist , from the OT.

Deut 18:9-13

9 "When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord , and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 1

Lev 20:27

27 'A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.'"


Eddy Von 22 months ago

Hello- I am going to post here- due to I am new to Hub pages and I can not seem to find a link to comment in the post from yesterday? I am learning this site but here are several verses I have found for us. I will start with the counsel in prison..with much love .

• Isaiah 61:1

1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

Proverbs 1:1-3

The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel: To know wisdom and instruction, to understand words of insight, to receive instruction in wise dealing, in righteousness, justice, and equity;

here is one that speaks of we are all here to aid and counsel each other:

Romans 15:14

I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.

here are several more for us to share:

Proverbs 13:10

By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom.

Proverbs 15:22

Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed.

John 16:13

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Proverbs 20:5

The purpose in a man's heart is like deep water, but a man of understanding will draw it out.

Proverbs 12:18

There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Galatians 6:2

Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:2-3

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,

Proverbs 27:9

Oil and perfume make the heart glad, and the sweetness of a friend comes from his earnest counsel.

2 Samuel 20:18

Then she said, “They used to say in former times, ‘Let them but ask counsel at Abel,’ and so they settled a matter.

Colossians 1:28

Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:15

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Amos 3:7

“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

Proverbs 12:15

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

Matthew 23:34

Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,

Jeremiah 1:5

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Job 33:23

If there be for him an angel, a mediator, one of the thousand, to declare to man what is right for him,

Psalm 79:11

11 May the groans of the prisoners come before you; by the strength of your arm preserve those condemned to die.

• Psalm 146:7

7 He upholds the cause of the oppressed and gives food to the hungry. The LORD sets prisoners free,

• Isaiah 24:22

22 They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be punished after many days.

• Isaiah 51:14

14 The cowering prisoners will soon be set free; they will not die in their dungeon, nor will they lack bread.

• Isaiah 61:1

1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

May peace be with you in all your days, let us share in Gods word and discuss rather than debate! Much love always..

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