Warning: Everyone Interprets Scripture

Torah, associated with the Old Testament on the left (PD); the New Testament on the right (copyright Rod Martin, Jr).
Torah, associated with the Old Testament on the left (PD); the New Testament on the right (copyright Rod Martin, Jr). | Source

One of the founding church fathers, Origen, had his own interpretations and they were widely accepted for over 200 years. Then the church with opposing factions and differing interpretations placed Origen on the list of outcasts and Byzantine Emperor Justinian sat in judgment about which interpretation was to become accepted by the church.

The existing Pope, Vigilius, had refused to attend this "kangaroo court" of ecclesiastical dogma and was placed under arrest by the Emperor. When the ecumenical council was over and a signature coerced out of the Pope, the Pope was allowed to go back to Rome. He never made it back alive. Church dogma was established as a matter of politics and the whims of Emperor Justinian and his conniving wife, Theodora.

Today, some pastors preach that miracles are impossible in modern times—that only the combined body of Christianity can perform a "miracle" of works by sheer numbers. That's not really a miracle. Other ministers preach that miracles are possible with faith, just as Jesus said they are.

Today, some pastors preach that salvation is permanently yours just for saying that you are following Christ. They comfort their flock with the soothing words that they can do anything they want after pledging themselves to Christ and that their place in Heaven is secure. Other ministers preach that salvation only comes from staying with Christ after pledging themselves to him. That's a big difference! Two widely separate interpretations.

Today, some factions of Christianity say that the universe, the world and humanity are only about 6000 years old—according to a literal Genesis. They disrespect science and scientists as "evolutionary," even though evolution is only a small part of science. They make strange and wild claims about how things got the way they are because they are interpreting scripture as if there is a need to interpret nature this way. Are they living in a delusion? Other factions of Christianity are okay with science and a 13.7 billion year universe. They're okay with humanity being more than 200,000 years old.

Using the Holy Spirit to Interpret

The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)
The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)

This book is from years of my own research into a biblical timeline compatible with those of mainstream science. I wasn't surprised that God's holy book would match his own creation (reality), but there were many surprises, including discovering through science the target of Noah's Flood -- a species which went extinct at that time.

 

So, who is right?

But more important is the point that nearly everyone interprets scripture. I say "nearly," because there might be a prophet or one anointed with the Holy Spirit who does not interpret anything, but merely sees it for what it is. For that, we can all be grateful. For the rest of us, though, we need to get more humble.

"But I'm already humble," some might say.

"Then take the ego you have remaining and cut it in half. Throw away the odd part."

"Is this humble enough?"

"Now, take the remaining ego and cut it in half, again. Throw away the odd part."

"Now, am I humble enough?"

"No. You need to take that ego which is remaining and cut it in half."

"Okay, I've done that. Now am I humble enough?"

"Take all the ego that remains and cut it in half. Throw away the odd part."

What is the object lesson of this conversation? This lesson tells us to be critically self aware. This lesson warns us that even when we think we are clean, we need to look and to keep looking until we know that we are clean.

But knowledge to the spiritually blind looks like self-delusion. So how can one really ever know that they are free of the delusion? Keep getting more and more humble until ego is at zero and cannot be halved any more. Then the Lord will tell you to stand—that you have kneeled long enough. It will be time to do the work of the Lord with the fullness of spirit.

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ithabise 4 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

Cogent--thank you.


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Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

Well in keeping with 2 Corinthinans 13:5. Pride goeth before the fall. Any power we have is not ours anyway, but that of our Creator.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

"CHRISTIANITY" "WAS"; long before any Catholic Religiosity, or any other Protestant "Faction" that has cropped up over the centuries past.

JOHN: 14: 6; "I am the way, the truth, and the life: No man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Jesus did not speak these words just to hear himself talk. He spoke them that man might know how to join God in heaven.

Achieving heaven once again is our legacy from Jesus, if we choose this way, we win if not we lose. Sweet and simple.


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Paradise7 4 years ago from Upstate New York

I'm still thinking about it. That wasn't quite how I saw it. The Word is separate from the dogma of religions sects. The real Word addresses the Spirit in a person, directly, so one knows what's true in one's heart.


ASTRADEVA 4 years ago

i was very interested in the facts you have stated about the pope being killed on his way home, please give a reference to this, i have to admit that i have an aversion to dogmatic religion, and i have an innate understanding that is a universal feeling, just like the "perfect knowing" i somehow know that the early church and its dogmatic dominences are brutal, as if i have lived through some of this and it has left a huge scar on my soul, i know the religion of the early established church is a misconnception and that the "bible is cut and pinched to pieces, i recoil from the retoric of the christian churches, i am a spiritual being and find religion oppressive overbearing and fractous, i on the otherhand believe in GOD, the Almighty, but not in jesus and his merry men, i think we are are on the bridge of knowing the truth of christianity, just how many christs we have actually had here on our earth, why they all have the same birhday, 25th December, the great white brotherhood are responsible for these beings coming here to us, some of whom have died, killed off, they say the dark council are responsible for this targeting of the christos at every step, is it any wonder our world is in deep need of these beings, they say avatars are taken out at the required time, i.e. Ezekial, he knew when he was leaving.

i think everyone knows what is true in his own heart, you are tied into what you know, if you chose to learn more or if you wallow in your chosen religion you are subjugating yourself to a regime.

your ego: is a trap, that encapsulates your existence, let it go, you do not need it, "i have no ego" and can assure you that you are better off without it, you will be free, a feeling like free floating through life, if life throws something hideous at you, you will not care, it will just pass over you, and not touch your soul, let the purification be your final step. they say religion will die, more importantly is why we ever needed it in the first place, i know we all need a crutch at times but do we really need a whole set of dogmatic abuse, in my case, no, make your own mind up, but research the facts, then you will automatically make up your mind. Blind Faith.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@ithabise and @Perspycacious, thanks for your comments.

And very appropriate comment about pride. I hope to provoke myself and others not to fall into that trap.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Dave, I like what you said. Yes, sweet and simple.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@Paradise7, I completely agree with you, so we may see it more alike than you think. Sometimes these "mortal words" get in the way. But that was the point of my article. The "Word" of God is written in heaven and mirrored across the face of time. Mortal interpretation is but a pale reflection of truth.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@ASTRADEVA, some fascinating things you've said. Thank you.

You describe ego and being without it beautifully. That's definitely the way to go. And I wrote this article because I feel some people may be blind to their own ego, thinking they may have eliminated it. A couple of enthusiastic Christians told me that I was interpreting scripture, but that they were not. Try as they might, they couldn't convince me that they were not interpreting. They even had a hard time interpreting correctly what I had written.

I happen to believe in Jesus Christ and his merry band of men. I think he got the message right and that enough of it has been left untouched in the New Testament to guide us adequately. That's my current viewpoint and after nearly 60 years of searching, I've come back to Christianity with greater conviction.

On the Pope who never made it home, simply look up Pope Vigilius. Emperor Justinian and his evil wife wanted a puppet in Rome, but Vigilius had plans of his own. They didn't like that. Was Vigilius murdered? Who knows?

The main point there is that religion took a major detour.

The value of the religion was in keeping alive the ideas so that we could find them today--so that they would not have become lost like so many ancient writings.


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Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

I agree that enough of the church Christ established and taught has been kept "alive.. so that we can find" those teachings and that structure "today." Therefor, if we base our search on the Bible record which has been kept alive for us today, we should still be able to find His church, having the same structure, the same teachings, and the same believers. Do you agree?


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ithabise 4 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

To add to Persycacious's comment, there is also enough record of ancient church practice to understand what sincere Christian faith is all about.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@Perspycacious and @ithabise, beautiful words.

I agree completely, but I also feel that finding the truth of "sincere Christian faith" is something we _continue_ to find. Stopping at any one point is inadvisable. Even after you've started producing miracles, there is still very much more to learn.

Too many become arrogant into thinking that they've already made it. We need to remain ever vigilant against such attitudes. Personally, I will keep working at it until God tells me that I've made it.


ASTRADEVA 4 years ago

your so in tune, keep seeking universal truth, all is given, but unfortunately it is given at intervals, this makes stopping unthinkable. The hidden story of Jesus is yet to be revealed, unseen was a company of holy spirit, the gospel of Matthew reveals so much, but not enough. never be swayed from your own truth, so many people on this world have closed minds and then you have those with tunnel vision, these people are indoctrinated into their chosen religion, and do not have the ability to discern others.

you are on the right track, religion did take a detour, or was it a hi-jacking, some of the concepts of christianity are imported from other religions, i.e. Zoroastrianism, Mithras, Shamash, Turkish & Yazidic. Edens garden produced a mirade of knowlegde which eventually developed into Christianity, the Jews incorporated Persian concepts, (via bondage). Adam is not what you have been lead to believe, eventually all will be revealed, all religions have died on a numerological number ten, we are being propelled towards a pre-designed conflict, Jacob holds the next key, revelations vile conflicts are from two of his, infected genes, which brings us back to Shamash,a solar god, clue, one solar god is over seven solar rings, they all came out of the caspian sea. Stay alert, dig deep, a star mekabah is forming in space, 52,000 years of gods design, sacred geometry holds the key to our path, we are on a journey, next year is the last code, (2012) watch the venus alignments, they all herald a catalyst, a paradigm in 8 meanings, some good some bad, all powerful. you are wearing the name of your god in your KA, just like JC who came to claim the lost tribes, you are claimed by your godhead. entry into the christos fields of liquid light is the goal. mamasti Astradeva, light and sound create your next development.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@Astraveda, thanks. I didn't understand all of it, but it sounds deep -- profound! I'll keep looking.


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poetvix 4 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

Twice today your words have been at the perfect time for me. God works in mysterious ways. Thank you. Your work shines with the purpose of truth. God bless you and your family.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Poetvix. Your words made my week. May God's blessings be on you and yours.


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James A Watkins 4 years ago from Chicago

Wow. This is truly a marvelous message. And delivered beautifully. Thank you for the edification. Well done!


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, James. It is always a pleasure to see you and to hear from you.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

lone77star

You sound honest and sincere...that's a good thing!

To me the ego is not bad in itself. It's there to serve a purpose (as are our emotions).

Using it out of place, out of balance or mistaking it for something it's not is what's bad or not helpful.

Dropping the ego equates to other spiritual paths or methods

other than Christian, like the Buddha's, that lead to an experience of spiritual enlightenment.

Though the various paths and methods may vary...the goal is the same.

There can be many roads that lead to a destination...but the goal is reaching the distination

The true word is not a word but an experience


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, @vveasey. And I appreciate your kind words and wise thoughts.

I understand what you're saying. But let's be clear so that semantics do not foul up our meaning. The "ego" of which I speak is the viewpoint that is a created object -- a physical construct that obeys the laws of physical reality and action-reaction. The spiritual viewpoint is not vulnerable, but ego is. The dichotomies within ego drive karma (action-reaction). Spirit has no such dichotomy. Spirit is the paramita self (or "non-self" as the Buddhists might say).

Ego is the source of spiritual blindness. I have seen without this physical body -- true vision through spiritual eyes, but only in a few moments devoid of ego -- utter humility and perfect confidence (faith).

I have experienced miracles first hand. Ego cannot do such things, because it obeys physical law. Spirit -- true self -- the child of God, within, can do such miracles, because we were created in God's image and likeness -- sources of creation. Ego is not a source, but an effect that pretends to cause. And ego pretends to be us, so we have a hard time killing it.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

lone77star

I agree with you and understand your view.

everything you say is true.

I'm saying the same thing from a different angle

the ego is everything you say when mistaken for something it's not (source etc) but when not mistaken for something it's not where's the harm?

As I see it the ego and the so-called physical world are here to serve a purpose when not mistaken for something they're not.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Hi @vveasey. I understand what you're saying.

I would agree completely if we were not inherently spiritual beings trapped in physicality -- holding this action-reaction (created) world above us, instead of holding the Father in Heaven above us.

Ego is the action-reaction (created) self which we hold above all else, unless we are saved. And I think that's what "saved" means. That's the importance of humility in bringing ego to zero.

You might be interested in reading a section of my hub on Numbers are Beautiful on a graph taken from first year Calculus class. It talks about ego in relation to salvation and creation.

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