Why the need to Compare between LDS teachings and Christianity?

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Today the LDS/Mormon Church is going out of its way to promote its churches as "Christian" Churches... Its Full Name implies that it carries a New and Improved Gospel... and the church promotes religion that it claims superior to that of all other Christian Churches.

The things that this church has said in its official publications, and other things that it has taught over the last 100+ years demand that it be examined and iether substantiated or refuted...

Either these things are true... or they are false.

We were warned in the bible about many things that would come to pass in the time near the end... Jesus himself Warned us of these times and what to expect... and his apostles also gave us warnings and clues that need to be looked at and considered.

Is the Mormon Church Really what it claims to be?

Or is it just another Church trying to make its mark in todays religios world???

Or is it place to be warned of... and viewed with suspicion... ???

Is it Safe? Is it the Same?


Lets start with some History...

The Great Universal Apostacy:

LDS Apostle B.H. Roberts wrote,

"Saddening as the thought may seem, the Church founded by the labors of Jesus and His Apostles was destroyed from the earth: the Gospel was perverted: its ordanances were changed; it’s laws were transgressed; its covenant was, on the part of man, broken; and the world was left to flounder in the darkness of a long period of apostasy from Goda Universal Apostasy from the Christian Doctrine and the Christian Church took place” (D.H.C., Vol. I, Introduction, pp. 39 and 41)

With this statement (and many more statements like it) having been made by LDS officials... The Doctrine of a Universal Apostasy became “a founding reason”...

Yes... Universal Apostacy even became the Reason upon which the Mormon/LDS Church was promoted to the public.

Promotion of this Apostasy Allegation was in fact a way of Tearing down and Undermining of the Credibility of the Church that Jesus had founded...

Also this “Universal Apostasy” was a denial of the Scriptures. Jesus said that he would not do such a thing, as is forsake his church or "start over" at some point. (You will find the Verses Quoted Below)

Therefore Our Question "Why the need for a Comparison between Mormonism and Christianity" needs to be answered first and foremost: Because of the Claim that the Real First on Only Christian Church that Jesus founded was "Destroyed", "Perverted", and Broken."

Well...… WAS IT???

Ask yourself these questions:

  • Did Jesus Lie???
  • Could Jesus Lie???
  • Why would Jesus Lie???

Jesus Did NOT LIE!!!

Jesus Christ himself said:

  • Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon **this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Then the Apostle Paul Reaffirmed Jesus words when he wrote:

  • Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have:for he hath said, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”

Now I ask you my friend to just stop for a moment and pray… Is the Word of God True?

If so… Then we need to look more closely at Both the History of the Christian Church and at the very foundation of the LDS Church.

Because they are NOT the same… They are not Equal... They are not Compatable.

One is founded Originally on the shores of the JordonRiver and the Sea of Galilee… and was founded by Jesus Himself.

The Other was founded on Aligations of corruption and the need for a “Re-Founding” and a “Renovation” that Changed not only the "Methods of the Church" and the "Messengers of the Church".... but also changed the “Message of the Church” . Yes.. With the inception of the Mormon teachings, even the Way of Salvation and the Ordinances of the Church were changed as well.

The Apostle Paul wrote to the Church at Galations in his day... It was a very Prophetic thing that he addressed: He wrote:

  • Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
  • 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Now Consider my Friend: that you have the Words of Jesus Christ saying that His Church would Never Fail, and you have the Apostle Paul Warning you that "There is NO OTHER GOSPEL!!!"

Likewise the Apostle Luke wrote:

  • ACTS 20:
  • 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
  • 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
  • 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.




**The Conversation between Jesus and Peter


Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, <Petros> and upon this rock <petra>...

I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

{Peter: this name signifies a rock…But what type of Rock? Is it the same Rock as the second rock in the sentence?}

To start with lets look at the subject of the Pronoun “it” in verse 17.

The subject of the Pronoun “it” can be found in the “Question and answer” between Jesus and Peter in Verses 15 and 16… Read that again and see if you can find “it”.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.



So the It” is Peters Statement “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”


Let us look at the name that Jesus gave Peter…

<Petros> (Strongs 4074) Which means: a Piece of rock.


Then Jesus said “…Upon this Rock I will build my Church” this second rock is <petra> (Strongs 4073) a Mass of Rock.


And now.. let us put together the pieces we have just learned together and Consider them:

The Pronoun “It” of verse 17 was in fact the second “rock” <petra> that Jesus was referring to.


Conclusion: These verses could be expanded in English to read like this:


Matthew 16: 15 Jesus saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it” (This knowledge of me being the Christ, the Son of the Living God) unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, <Petros> (a Piece of rock) and upon this rock <petra> Foundational Mass of Bedrock (Which is the Testimony that you have made that I am the Christ the Son of the Living God) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Adam Clark in his commentary on this verse said: "Our Lord's expression means, that neither the plots, stratagems, nor strength of Satan and his angels, should ever so far prevail as to destroy the sacred truths in the above confession."

The True Church therefor is Founded upon the Testimony and Doctrines of Who Jesus is and what is his actual relationship with the father… NOT in any form of Apostolic Succession theories or Church Leadership Hierarchy.

Church buildings are built and used… people come and people go… Buildings decay and people pass on… But the Testimony of Christ stands sure unto this day.,.

To say there has been a UNIVERSAL APOSTACY is to call Jesus Christ a Liar.. and say that he could not preserve his own CHurch from the attacks made by the powers of hell.

The Prophet Elijah once cried out to God that he was alone... and that there was none left... and remember God's answer to him on that day... "But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

So Likewise I say unto you today... Be carefull of the accusations that you make or recieve against the Lords Church... The Bride of Christ.

She is still here on this earth... and She is still serving her Lord and waiting for His return. For all the damage that the devils have done to her... she is still very much alive and still very much beloved of the Lord.

Do not accept the false Witnesses that testify lies in the hope of decieving you.

Read your Bible and Refuse to accept any "New Improved" Gospels... There is only one Gospel of the real Jesus Christ. Accept No Substitute.

Pray without ceasing... the Lord will soon return for his bride.

MrMaranatha

***For more on Church History and its Perpetuity: Please See My Other articles on this subject... you can also follow my hub to read the latest of my studies.

Grace and Peace of Christ to you and yours.. MM

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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York

I always wondered what a basic precept of the Church of the Latter Day Saints was. I found this article interesting, thank you!


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MrMaranatha 5 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

The word Universal is used in English to denote an occurring that is "Complete" and Total in its scope... Covering all or everything with absolutely nothing left that is unaffected by it.

Mirrium Webster Dictionary:

Definition of UNIVERSAL

1

: including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively without limit or exception; especially : available equitably to all members of a society

2

a : present or occurring everywhere

b : existent or operative everywhere or under all conditions

By making the claim that a "Universal Apostasy" has taken place...

Is not the same as saying "there has been apostasy" While one is a statement that is known and accepted... even biblical that it would take place.. The other Statement by inclusion of the word Universal makes the clear statement that there is "Nothing Left Un-Apostised" and it is to this claim that one must either Believe the Word of God and Jesus who said "Upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it" or choose to believe the Testimony of certain men/wolves who have claimed that the Gates of Hell have prevailed and that Christ could not defend his Church from them.

Either Christ is true... or Mormon doctrine is true and Jesus is a liar. Now take your pick...

But Choose wisely... Either the Apostasy is Universal.... and Jesus failed to build a church that would not be destroyed... or the Apostasy has taken place but Not over the whole church... taking place in various areas with some of the peoples in those places and times.... Even a Majority may have been affected, But not ALL.

Apostasy has happened.. I do not think anyone denies that there has been apostasy or that the Bible says it... But even in the midst of this apostasy their have been Other Churches that have existed Un-Tainted by this Apostasy... continuing to do their work and live their lives... as Christians regardless of what is happening over the hill in another place or time.

This only highlights the need to study your Church History... (Read The trail of Blood by JM Carrol) (Read Foxes Book of Martyrs)

If their was ever a Universal Apostasy as Mormon Doctrine claims, then Who were the Christians being Killed by the Apostates?

The Fact is that even though 53,000,000 Church members have been killed by the opposers and Apostates over last 2000 years... they Did Not ever Prevail!!!

They are still Killing Christians the World over... and We are still being Killed the World Over.

In some places more by Your Words than by burnings and other physical means.


unworthy 5 years ago

oh my achin head... What a twisted wicked web that must be spun to comeup with some of the mormon doctrines. Good article, bad commentary. Onusonus.. You mix truth and lies. Yes the church is not any one institution, it is called out believers gathered into local assemblies. You prolem is not really local or universial church(though it is at issue). The problem morman's have is WHO Jesus is, and WHAT he is doing. Jesus is God incarnate, Jesus is the creator of all things, and by Him and for Him were they made. You preach another gospel and you teach another Jesus... Regardless how much "christian" paint you put on it it is an affront to the person and deity of Jesus Christ, my Saviour, my Creator, my Redeemer, my LORD.... Its ALWAYs about Jesus. For He is the Way the Truth and the Life.


unworthy..servant 5 years ago

This is not "witnessing" it is reproving...

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


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MrMaranatha 5 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

This Forum by its title states: That there is a reason to compare the two Religions...

Now.. You are not addressing the reason that you need to study but making Apolagetics in favor of a MAN MADE institution that Calls Itself the NEW CHRISTIANITY and in doing so Claims that it SUPERCEDES the One JESUS FOUNDED...

If that is what you want to believe... Fine.. knock yourself out... But to do so you are Throwing away the Bible and what Jesus said... and Ignoring what Paul said... in favor what was written to you in "Another Gospel" that Paul said IS NOT ANOTHER!!! So your Argument is not with me but with the Bible itself and with the Lord Himself who protects both His Word (Which you have added to) and His Church (Which you claim to have destroyed)...


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MrMaranatha 5 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Is there a reson to study the Differences between Mormonism and Christianity?

If.. If if... there is a Difference... Then that Diference in itself is THE REASON YOU NEED TO STUDY IT!!!

If the two are the same thing... teaching the same Gospel... and about the same God who Gave us the Word of God and who told us NOT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT from it...

Or they are different... and teach something different.

Well???

Are they the Same??? NO.. So that is the reason you need to study to see if what you believe is founded upon GODS WORD in the BIBLE.... or upon the writings of an ANGEL MORONI as a NEW GOSPEL which aligns with Galatians 1:6-9 as written above.

Galatians 1:6-9 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


passingtheword 5 years ago

yes. hey go to my web page. rulds.weebly.com. Yes don't add, change, pollute. etc....... the word of God, like the the Mormons do.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

If you are interested in a honest and open discussion of the restoration of the gospel I will do it. I see so much that needs to be addressed in this hub that is misleading.

The scriptures that you use have nothing to do with apostasy. Also you created a logical fallacy by stating that Jesus is a liar or the Mormons are a liar since we believe in Jesus Christ and that he is the one who restored the truths as he taught as recorded in the Bible.

I am going to follow you, but I wonder if you will give honest discussion or just attach my religion more. We don't have to agree, but we can have conversation. If not, I am going to follow you out of the sheer entertainment of it all.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Roderic29-

No... Jesus was not a Liar.. the Point is that Jesus did not lie. Jesus stated a fact. "The gates of hell would not prevale against the Church." Period. done.. end of suject. It never happened. That is the Point. Since Jesus did Not lie.. someone else has.


passingtheword 4 years ago

I use this alot but it shows that the LDS thoughts of the apostasy is false.

he Great apostasy has not happen yet.

John 15:2, Every branch (believer, disciple, true Christian) that beareth fruit, He (God) shall prune it, that it may bring forth more fruit. (The true Word of God will continue forever.) The branches are the believers and/or teachers and the fruit are those who are taught. God will get those people ready (prune) and the cycle will continue forever.

This is what God promised.

The Great apostasy is talked about in 2 Thessalonians Ch 2. When the people thought that the day of the Lord had already began.

2Thess 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first (The Great apostasy) AND that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (Satan).

The Great apostasy (the Great falling away) will happen when the anti christ (the son of perdition "damnable to die") comes and teaches his false doctrine (Rev 13). The people will be tricked into worshiping the beast (satan) and will be turned away from the true Christ. The great Apostasy.

Jesus promised us that he would never leave us or forsake us. Hebrews 13:5, And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; John 14:16 we will always have the Holy spirit we will always have Jesus


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I understand your point. I agree, the gates of Hell cannot prevail which is why the gospel was restored to the earth. I know you have different views about that.

The leadership of the church went into hiding or were killed. If the church survived it did so in the Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox church. The offices of prophet and apostle are nonexistent in those organizations now save the office of Pope.

The apostasy was a choice by the people to reject the full gospel message and begin creating creeds to follow rather than consult the Lord through a prophet.

These creeds do not come from prophets but councils to vote on what Christians were supposed to believe. Jesus did not authorize such things. He organized apostles and prophets for the edification of the saints.

Authority to act in God's name is not something that people can just claim because of a theology degree or a spiritual experience. It must be extend from a servant of God or Jesus Christ.

Christ did leave the Holy Ghost to witness of Christ. If it were not for that, we would not have all these wonderful truths found in just about every religion. Only the truths that we are willing to accept will the Holy Ghost testify of. He will nor force truth on us. God will not force the souls of man. He invites and persuades.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Roderick one thing that is forever Neglected in Joseph Smiths Version of the Apostasy is the History of the "Baptists" or "Ana-Baptists" through the time of persecutions. Your entire assumption is based on the faulty Logic that the Church ceased to exist. Uhhh No... We did not. We are still here in many forms and under many names today. I recommend you read the book "The Trail of Blood" by Jim Carrol... I do not necesarily agree with the author on all of his intentions and points but the History he shows is worth reading and studying. And it answers much of what the Mormons and JW's and 7th Day Adventist have thrown up in contention against the True Churches that still exist today... You may be beating the Bride of Christ in Ignorance... But you are Still Beating on The Bride of Christ... and Claiming yourselves to be her replacement... Not... and since the message that was Preached Originally (Jesus only Son of God) is not the same as the one that the LDS Church has been teaching.. (Jesus brother of Devil) You cant even say that you have "Restored" anything... because the two messages are not alike. Go to your Bible and read Galations 6: 1-9


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Ok Rodric.. on to the Creeds and Authority... Jesus did give the Church Authority.. Even the authority to join together and form councils and make "Statements of Doctrine" that stated very clearly what the Church believed and taught... what is commonly called "Creeds". Now... you will find the first Creed is actually in your Bible: Now Turn if you would to 1 Corinthians 15:1-11. This dear Rodric is the first Creed commonly called "The Apostles Creed" and it is also the foundational Text of the rest of the Creeds.. I am sorry to say that You have ingested allot of "Mormon History" that has been repeated over and over in your training until you had it memorized so it sounds true to you... you need to sort of back up and look at things from a different view... you said you were an elder in Africa... so I'm sure you have told people these things over and over... you believe it to be truth.. But you need to re-examine it... The Church is still here... and its still preaching the same message... and that is NOT the same message that the LDS Church is pushing... Jesus is Not the Brother of Lucifer... Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. Jesus is Emanuel... that means God With Us. Jesus is the Creator and Jesus Created all things... even the Devil was a Creation.. But Jesus has always been. he is/was God in the Flesh.

Look at something else here... If the message of the Mormon Church for 170 years has been the Restoring/replacing of the Church... and if the Churches the Mormon Church was against 170 years ago are still here... and still preaching the same message... Then tell me please why is the LDS Church today is trying to be called "Just another denomination"... If the LDS Church was really what it claimed to be in that original teaching of Joseph Smith.. then by your own logic it has Apostacised and is trying to get back in bed with the other apostates. Do you see the Problem in this? Either It is or it is not... either we are or we are not... Either she has or she has not... The Church from the Beginning is still here... and the LDS Church is NOT it.


passingtheword 4 years ago

Rodric do you see how the foundation of the LDS church (the great apostasy) is not taught correctly in your church. You need to read all of 2 thess. ch 2


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Right on the Nose PassingtheWord... exactly.

According to the Scripture that mentions "the great falling away", when you put it IN CONTEXT... It is an End Time Prophecy. Not a thing that happened in the 3rd century etc. etc... it is an End Time thing which involves people being Deceived by false Doctrines.

Very Good point... thank you.


passingtheword 4 years ago

Pass this around as much as possible. This one passage shows how wrong the LDS are.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Before I comment, I want to confront anyone who is voting this hub down without leaving a comment why. It is not polite ettiquete to disagree and run just to make the hub score go down. I will vote this hub up every chance I get, not because I agree but because this is good discussions and points.

I would hate to think LDS people are voting this down because it does not agree with our system of belief. What is the use of having the truth if we cannot stand it being tested? Please vote this hub up. Free discourse of beliefs is paramount and good. So voted up!


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Unfortunately Rodric I have run into that before with the LDS crowd.. It is not an isolated event but something that occurs more often than people in here realize. It has many forms... Down votes, Reporting articles, and Blocking. It is easier for some to use this sort of Cowardice Gorilla attack than to read and think for themselves. They think they are doing Christ a service this way... but I hate to tell them that Blind following without proving the issue Biblicaly is also a sign of Cultish beliefs and following based on feelings instead of truth. Don't question the leaders... do not read material that is from other Religious groups... Don't read a tract that gives the Gospel according to the Bible... Why? What are they afraid of???... Are they afraid they might trust the old fashioned "Roman Road plan of Salvation" by Grace through Faith and get truly Born Again??? WOW... imagine that...


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

We see negative things about us so often we do not consider reading it for content. We just assume it is another attach, and it usually is another attack. I have made it my goal to live the principal that my enemy I will love. Anything I perceive as an enemy to me I will now reach out and discover if it is true.

I will follow the example of Ammon in the Book of Mormon. I will show the power of God in me by loving all that I see. I will then if given the opportunity to share my faith. If not, I will hold my peace.

God is too good and life is too short to be offended.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I honestly never considered any group other than Catholics or Greek Orthodox because Protestants left the church. The church of England apostatized for the right to divorce for the the King of England. The Baptist broke away from that church. I do not consider a brake off from an apostate church authorized to speak for God.

Now that you have brought my prejudice t light, I MIGHT consider. I must be honest, because God knows my heart. I see no point in entertaining things that I see have not merit.

Only the Catholic or Eastern Church have claim to some kid of Apostolic authority to act for God.

Everyone else would be in trouble of kicking a against the pricks. There are 1 Billion Catholics, the largest Christian church in the world. I considered Catholicism at one time before I became a Saint.

And again with the Jesus brother of Satan thing? I have mentioned that somewhere on here... anyway, we lived before we were born, all people are brothers and sisters, Jesus is our brother and so is Lucifer who rebelled and becaome a fallen spirit/angel and so did 1/3 of our other brothers and sister--so yes Jesus and Satan are brother just like Cain and Abel and You and I are brothers

Your logic is flawed, there has not been a unity of faith yet. When Christ comes again there will be a unity of faith. We never claimed to replace my dear brother only to restore what was lost and invite others to come and see, pray to God if it is true and accept. MrMaranatha, I asked once if it was okay to pray for the other Christian churches to fail. I was told that by so doing I would be damning my own soul to hell and cutting myself off from God

God loves all his children and he blessing all of us who seek him in truth and honesty of heart. God works through each church to inspire good and power where they will let him.

The name of Jesus Christ alone is powerful enough to heal. I have seen the spirit move upon people of other faiths ans even the faithless. God will give us as much of the truth as we will accept because he is no respecter of persons and he does not love the Mormons more than the Baptists or the Jews more than the Muslims.

What we claim is that God has restored His covenant with Modern day Israel and we invite all to come see and to join.

Where did you get replace? We need the other churches to exist! If it were not for the Protestants and Catholics the LDS church would not be here. All of the Mormons in the beginning were from other churches. It took a few generations to make the great culture of LDS that you see in Utah.

The culture of Mormons is the combining of all backgrounds and religion under the banner of one truth. Our church is now Mostly converts again--51 percent of the LDS church are first generation members.

Our aim is not to grow to the biggest church but to find the few who will accept the gospel message and prepare for the second coming of Jesus Christ. We build Him temples so that he can return to one as he promised.

We await for his return to the Jews to show them the wounds inflicted and the power and majesty of his resurrection so that they can finally be converted. We await for Him to catch all worthy Christians up, not just Mormons, and reign for a thousand years as king of king and Lord of Lords.

Also, we will never claim to be just another denomination. That would be a denial of our testimony of Christ. We are different. We claim to have the authority and power to act in the name of God in addition to the faith to perform miracles by the name of Christ.

All followers of Christ will do miracles, all true followers anyway because God has not stopped doing those things in any group of believer--even non Christians, He loves us all and will give a miracle where there is sufficient faith.

We claim that we have the power to seal on earth and in heaven as did the Apostles of old. We claim to have the same power and witness of Christ that the Apostles of old.

We are not just another denomination. The Community of Christ is just another Protestant denomination. It broke off from our church after Joseph Smith was murdered by a mob. It has since abandoned all similarities to our church down to rejecting the Book of Mormon as sacred.

We do not recognize any other church having authority from God to perform ordinances, which is why in order to join our church, one of our priest or elders must baptize you.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

I will have to take your comment a piece at a time... too long and too many items in it for a general response.

Starting with This first Statement you made?

~I honestly never considered any group other than Catholics or Greek Orthodox because Protestants left the church. The church of England apostatized for the right to divorce for the the King of England. The Baptist broke away from that church. I do not consider a brake off from an apostate church authorized to speak for God.Now that you have brought my prejudice t light, I MIGHT consider. I must be honest, because God knows my heart. I see no point in entertaining things that I see have not merit.Only the Catholic or Eastern Church have claim to some kid of Apostolic authority to act for God.~

End of Quote

That is exactly the view of history that both the Jesuit Order and most other religious leaders of the day would like you to continue believing.

Let me give you a short history lesson on a group of people not unlike some others who have started church movements.. but these men were Catholics... a man named Ignatius Loyola started a group called the society of Jesus. His intentions seem to be well intended... he wanted to serve Christ... but he was inside the Catholic Church and still bowed to the whims of the pope. In order to get his new religious order ratified he made a few proposals to the pope for the intentions of what his order would offer the Roman Catholic Church...

These main ~Charters~ are very important... because they then turned much of history upside down.... Ill explain it to you...

Three of the Charters were: Destroy the Protestant Bible, Infiltrate centers of learning (Colleges and Seminaries) and Return the populace to the Roman Catholic Church.

Now.. with those goals set and pursued... todays history of the Christian Religion is mostly told and retold with insertion and deletion of facts and details with Jesuit infiltration... Propaganda if you will. I can site examples of how their infiltration of centers of learning has played huge roles in the movements of political nature... but you probably allready know this... the Communists, Socialists, Fascist and other orders spread over the world at about the same time.. in each case they were inserted into the centers of learning... and spread through disidents...

If the RC Church wants to claim the crown as the ONLY BONIFIED CHURCH THAT CAME FROM CHRIST and HIS DISCIPLES... then they must eradicate all opposition to this claim.

But.. there are still records in existance that refute this claim... and if one has an open mind when reading through history.. .you will see the reality of a ~Mother of Harlots~ trying to exterminate the real church and her members.. and you will also see the persecuted Church fleeing and hunted... But still here.

By the way... Do you see any connections between the Jesuit order and the Mormon leadership? You better look for it.. because its there. Through a third party... a third party that also has its hooks in other Church Movements...


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Prejudice Brought to light??? Things to consider?

Ok.. here.. I am going to type a few quotes for you... Things said from men in the past... just History.. they were not Baptists... they just talked about Baptists... made observations about Baptist... Mostly documenting when they were killed or how they lived... etc.

Here are some quotes.. I hope Hub Pages does not interfer with them...

Their history is written in the legal documents and papers of those ages. It is through these records that the "TRAIL OF BLOOD" winds its way as you find such statements--

"At Zurich, after many disputations between Zuinglius and the Ana-Baptists, the Senate made an Act, that if any presume to re-baptize those who were baptized before (i.e. as infants) they should be drowned. At Vienna many Ana-Baptists were tied together in chains that one drew the other after him into the river, wherein they were all suffocated (drowned)." (Vida Supra, p. 61)

"In the year of our Lord 1539 two Ana-Baptists were burned beyond Southwark, and a little before them 5 Dutch Ana-Baptists were burned in Smithfield," (Fuller, Church History.)

"In 1160 a company of Paulicians (Baptists) entered Oxford. Henry II ordered them to be branded on the forehead with hot irons, publicly whipped them through the streets of the city, to have their garments cut short at the girdles, and be turned into the open country. The villages were not to afford them any shelter or food and they perished a lingering death from cold and hunger." (Moore, Earlier and Later Nonconformity in Oxford, p. 12.)

The old Chronicler Stowe, A.D. 1533, relates:

"The 25th of May--in St. Paul's Church, London--examined 19 men and 6 women. Fourteen of them were condemned; a man and a woman were burned at Smithfield, the other twelve of them were sent to towns there to be burned."

Froude, the English historian, says of these Ana-Baptist martyrs--

"The details are all gone, their names are gone. Scarcely the facts seem worth mentioning. For them no Europe was agitated, no court was ordered in mourning, no papal hearts trembled with indignation. At their death the world looked on complacent, indifferent or exulting. Yet here, out of 25 poor men and women were found 14, who by no terror of stake or torture could be tempted to say they believed what they did not believe. History has for them no word of praise, yet they, too, were not giving their blood in vain. Their lives might have been as useless as the lives of most of us. In their death they assisted to pay the purchase of English freedom."

Likewise, in writings of their enemies as well as friends, Dr. Carroll found, their history and that their trail through the ages was indeed bloody:

Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:

"Were it not that the baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers." (Hosius, Letters, Apud Opera, pp. 112, 113.)

The "twelve hundred years" were the years preceding the Reformation in which Rome persecuted Baptists with the most cruel persecution thinkable.

Sir Isaac Newton:

"The Baptists are the only body of known Christians that have never symbolized with Rome."

Mosheim (Lutheran):

"Before the rise of Luther and Calvin, there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch Baptists."

Edinburg Cyclopedia (Presbyterian):

"It must have already occurred to our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were formerly described as Ana-Baptists. Indeed this seems to have been their leading principle from the time of Tertullian to the present time."

Tertullian was born just fifty years after the death of the Apostle John.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

You said/// I see no point in entertaining things that I see have not merit.

Only the Catholic or Eastern Church have claim to some kid of Apostolic authority to act for God.///

Ok... Everything that follows this first argument is based on the assumption that the LDS way is right and that Joseph Smith had athority to change Christianity and the message of Salvation.. add teachings etc...

From my Studies... I would sooner embrace the known evil of Roman Catholacism.. than to embrace either the Johovas witness Kingdom Hall, the Mulim faith or for that matter 7th day adventist or LDS... To me, Each of these has thier simalarity.. and they are all types of deception in these last days.. all teaching a form of Legalism and denying part of the New Testament message of Salvation as given.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

You had some good stuff mixed in there... and I wish it were all that easy... But... its not.. Its more complicated than that.. as usual...

I need to comment on what you said here--

You said -----Our aim is not to grow to the biggest church but to find the few who will accept the gospel message and prepare for the second coming of Jesus Christ. We build Him temples so that he can return to one as he promised.------

But the Bible says-- 1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

For this reason I protested when our Church was named ~Temple Baptist~ But nevertheless that was the name that stuck.. its just a name on the sign. The fact is that the Temple Jesus actually wants, Is Built inside his believers... a Temple made without hands... by the working of the Word of God and the Holy Spirit inside of you.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Amen, and I agree with what you say about the temple being in our hearts because we are the temple of God. God has also promised to come to a temple built with hands.

I salute you for showing yourself approved ans studying the word of God.

In Revelations 15 (I suggest reading the entire chapter so you can see the context because it is quite intriguing)

John revealed starting in verse 5 "And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

---In Verse five there is the suggestion that there is a building, a temple that housed the Tabernacle of the Testimony of Heaven. Tabernacle refers often to a person clothed in flesh. So I take from this that there is a person in the temple who is the testimony of Heaven.---

6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

---This suggest to me more people or angels if you will leaving a building called a temple where the Tabernacle of the Testimony of Heaven.---

7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

---This suggest to me that patrons, of the angels of the temple will take the wrath of God to be administered under the command of God who reigns supreme.---

8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

---This suggests to me that God, or Jesus Christ was in the temple and that he is the Testimony of Heaven. It also suggest to me that he was alone in the temple because he released his full glory that none could enter the building until after he gave the order to place the plaques.---

--Now, I am in now way suggesting that this proves that I am right about something and you are wrong What I endeavor my good brother to do is suggest the possibility that a temple will be visited by the Lord. This my own interpretation of this scripture.

Would you have room in you ponderings to consider what i have suggested?


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

According to the Bible... and the Scripture must be fulfilled... Oh yes Sir.. I believe that there will definetly be a Temple that is Built before the Lord returns... you can bet your life on it.. It will happen... and the Scriptures that talk about what will happen there.. will also be fulfilled... Yes Sir... will happen.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Check Matthew 24:15 and do a study on the Abomination of Desolation. I anticipate that you will say it was finished in AD 70 but it was not a complete fulfillment... so the Prophecy will fully be completed by the Real Devil possessed Anti-Christ... in the 7 years of Jacobs Trouble... which will probably be very soon...


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Those saints that you call Baptists were prophesied of in the Book of Mormon. The prophesy states that the Great whore of all the earth would persecute the true believers and kill them and secretly put them away.

All those men and women who died trying to reform the church did so preparing the way for the free thinkers which God used to prepare a place where freedom of religion was strong enough to restore the gospel in its apostolic form to the earth.

To me the words of the prophesy would be offensive to some and have been clarified by Modern Prophets, but here they are:

--And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.--1 Nephi 14:10

When I read that, my mind tells me that it speaks about the Catholic church but my spirit tells me that I have such a narrow view of that scripture.

It applies to those who follow Christ in purity and promote the truth from the beginning of the apostasy--which I do not believe happened in fullness until 400 years after Christ, not in 70AD. It is my person opinion thought and not a teaching of the LDS church. My convictions about the Apostasy end at that it happened. I have not researched the history of Christianity after the last of the original Christians were killed before the creeds which are not revelation from God.

I prayed about whether the elders from the LDS told me the truth about the apostatsy, did LITTLE research at the City Library in Rochester, NY and felt secure that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was the church of God restored in the fullness of apostolic power.

I am interested in what you write because it helps to bring more validity to an area of my faith where I have not expertise, what happened during the apostasy. When I read your words I felt the spirit prompt me that these persecuted and abused Saints were the ones spoke of in the following verse:

--And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.--A Nephi 22:33

In this verse Nephi is interpreting verses in Isiah. This according to the record would be 2000 years before it actually happens. There is no reference to the the years of approximately 400 to 1500 AD. Now that you have revealed those words about the Baptist movement, which I am familiar with but only superficially. I will continue in another comment box.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Alright.. now we are getting somewhere... But there are issues in this that you will not see like I do... and they will be points of contention because they are among the things that are all stacked on Joseph Smiths character as a man.. and whether he was a Prophet of God or not.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Roderic... if all of these saints existed... and if even the enemies of the Baptists acknowledged them and talked of them... then the Catholic Church is NOT the Only Legacy of Christ... Think on that a moment... Open your eyes... and expand your thinking on the Church.

God Please open his eyes... In Jesus Name I pray... Open his eyes Lord to see the Church as you see it... made up of men and women who believe and not morter and stone..

Do you remember that Jesus said :Mt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The Church is a Called Out Assembly Rodric... it is the accumulation of all believers of all time... there is not a single church on this planet that is all parts of the Body of Christ.. that is impossible. One church may be an eye.. and another in another place a foot.. this believer may be a great kidney and that one just an eyelash of the brides face... But when the trumpet sounds... all of the true believers will be called up to meet with the Lord in the Air and there shall we ever be with the Lord...

To many people today are looking for the right church to go to... of Brick and Stone... But the Church that is the one God built.. is the Believers themselves... ALL of Them!!!


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

More about the Church.. the word is used two ways... Local with regard to each individual Local assembly of believers... and then... it is also used to indicate the entire Body of Believers... which is a future event that will happen at the return of Christ... There is No Ecumenical Universal Church... Its not Biblical.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I believe we can come to a unity of Faith, which is my goal with all my brothers and sisters.

As I stated before, I seek to discern the truth through prayer, study and listening to the promptings of the spirit. I pretend to know special connection that other cannot have with God. But I must be honest and humble about all things in my faith.

I know that Joseph Smith Junior was a prophet of God. I did not read it in a book. I did not sit and reason it out logically. I simply and without judgement listened to his testimony and prayed to God if what I heard was truth. With out doubt I received spiritual confirmation that not only was he truly a prophet but he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ.

I am not sure what you would have me say if you declare that because of his money digging or polygamy or polyandry that that should negate what God has confirmed in my soul.

I know Joseph was a busy man using his talents to participate in the things common to his era. He was a sinful man full of all types of weakness that had to be beaten out of him and ironed out of him before he left this life.

I asked God to show me where my prophets are if he loved me the same as those of his Children in the past and he showed my many people. But he only confirmed one at the time of my asking.

I have sense received a witness of Ezra Taft Benson, who died almost immediately afterwards causing me to have a panic that all was lost until I saw another man said to be the new prophet, Howard W Hunter--he died nine months later causing me to fear less some cruel joke was afoot. I was very superstitious as in my early introduction to the LDS church. I was into spiritualism and and such. I was told that sorcery was not of God and I should stay away from it. I then prayed and received confirmation that Gordon B Hinnckley also was a prophet. After he died I asked if Thomas Spencer Monson is a or prophet. I am sure you will guess what the answer to my queries are. I pray about each person who claims to be a prophet or prophetess before I listen to their teaching and obey the word of God. I do not want to be deceived.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

It is true what you say about one or two gathered in Christ's name. I live it every day with my family and with people like you.

I view the body of Christ in terms of people not church. I know where the prophets and apostles are so I expect everyone to listen if they want the truth. We are a nondenominational church believe it or not.

We have no creed other than we will follow all that God reveals.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Keep Praying...

Funny thing though.. I get the same feelings whenever I encounter either JW's Mormons or Muslims and Masons... I get the same skin crawling gut feeling... Its fear. I know it.. Ive lived it... But I am NOT intimidated by it. I have the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in me... and by God he always helps me to overcome in the face of those who are twisting scripture to promote their own religion.

My point is that I get the same "Vibes" not only of the JW's, Muslims and Masons... But also of LDS people...

Now... Speaking of Praying for signs...

Question: Is this how we are to test the spirits?

Is this how we are to Test whether a person is a Prophet or not?

The Bibles tells us NO.

The Bible gives us a specific way to handle it...

God Gave us a specific way to handle it.

I already wrote about this in one of the other Hubs...


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Fear is of the devil. If you feel fear when you are around us, then you must comprehend it and take it as a witness against us.

I don't understand what you mean by seeking signs. I am actually a little surprised you would say that. Are you telling me I should not pray and and ask God?

I have always gone independently and sought answers from God about things out since I have met the Elders. My spirit is not stirred to Christ by what you have written. I assume that I am misunderstanding you.

I never said that I was around anyone when I prayed or that I received a feeling of any sort. God is there I talk to Him, He talks back.

Honestly, did I imply that I seek for signs when I already believed in God before I ever asked if He was there?

Also, I get feelings when people are telling the truth about something that is true. It only happens when it concerns my salvation and my relationship to God, which by the is not dependent on my church affiliation.

I feel like you are trying to deflect everything that I write insincerity so that you can prove that what I believe is not Biblical. You are right. I am not a Biblical Christian. I read the Bible, which is written by men not God. I consider what is in it the same as I do all scripture and what I do not understand I seek counsel with the Lord.

I also have a witness that Peter was a prophet of God as was John and many others. I am confused by your statement. My confusing stems from the fact that I like you and thought that you were coming from fellowship, but when you hinted, or when I perceived that you hinted that my conversations, which are private and sacred, with God should be called into question alarms went of.

In the Book f Mormon it reads.

---16 Wherefore, the things of all nations shall be made known; yea, all things shall be made known unto the children of men.

17 There is nothing which is secret save it shall be revealed; there is no work of darkness save it shall be made manifest in the light; and there is nothing which is sealed upon the earth save it shall be loosed.---2 Nephi

Also Nephi instructs

---8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray, ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.

9 But behold, I say unto you that ye must pray always, and not faint; that ye must not perform any thing unto the Lord save in the first place ye shall pray unto the Father in the name of Christ, that he will consecrate thy performance unto thee, that thy performance may be for the ewelfare of thy soul.--2Nephi 32

I feel like you are trying to teach me not to pray. Will you clarify?


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

To your last comment... I am not telling you not to pray.. that would be silly and contradict the Bible which says to Pray without ceasing.

I am however showing you that there are propper ways to pray.. and propper things to pray for... and then there are other things which are not to be prayed about.

Example: If someone tells you that its Ok to go into a Caberet bar... just as long as you do not lust or drink anything alcoholic... they say... "Why don't you pray about it.. ask the Lord"

Would you ask him? I would not... I would throw it back in the persons face with disdain. It is not the type of thing that warrants answers in prayer.

If a Catholic tried to tell me the Pope is a Prophet... and I should pray for confirmation about returning to the Catholic Church... would I pray about that?

No.. If I were to actually give it any thought at all, then I would put the prophet to the test... According to the scripture on the subject... specifically Deuteronomy... Where God talked about testing a prophet to see if it was from God or not... Like in that other Hub I sent you... probably still locked though...


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

You said above that the LDS Church is Non-Denominational... uhhh... No... I do not agree with you really... LDS is its own denomination. Example: If I move in down the street from you and buy a lot... start building a Church house and put up a sign on the front of it that reads "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" How long would it take for my church to be shut down by the LDS Corporate body? Not Long. So in truth you are your own denomination...


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I agree, I have administered the test of a prophet. I am no novice, but I defer to you on many things because I enjoy you perspective. I would not pray about the Pope either because I see no need to when I have received answers about other prophets.

The key here is willingness to put the prophets to the test.

I am unclear what you imply about sign seeking. Only wicked people ask for that type of proof and God knows that those people have no intention of changing even it a sign was given.


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You said..."I feel like you are trying to deflect everything that I write insincerity so that you can prove that what I believe is not Biblical. You are right. I am not a Biblical Christian. I read the Bible, which is written by men not God. I consider what is in it the same as I do all scripture and what I do not understand I seek counsel with the Lord."

I used to have a ADAB counselor that was blind as a bat... But just like God gave a bat Sonar to see in the dark... God compensated that dear womans eyesight loss with hearing that was better than any Lie detector test man has ever seen.

Biblical... Mans words or God's Word... now here is a place Rodric that you need to dig in and pray about... Pray about the Inspiration of God to Inspire the writers of the Bible to pen what God wanted then to pen... And when you get done praying about God's Inspiration of the Word of God.. Pray about his ability to Protect his Word... Preserve His Word... Yes Rodric.. This is very important for you. It is one of the most important parts of a course in Hermeneutics.. to learn how we should look at God's Word... and how we should rightly divide it... whether or not it can be trusted and... Pray about this. Let God Be true and every man a liar... But God's word is forever!!!


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Here is a foundational difference between you and I...

You hold Joseph Smith as a Prophet with faith....

I on the other hand have NO faith in Joseph Smith as a Prophet... and quite the opposite...

I have faith in Jesus and in the Word of God.

I do not need a prophet to tell me what I already know is true.. so what is the purpose of a prophet to me in this last Generation? None. So I do not believe in the office of Prophets etc like you do... I count them as scoundrels.. I look on them with suspicion and see the Prophecies (Biblical ones) being fulfilled in these men... So for me.. the entire LDS Church credibility as the Church of Christ... is founded on something less than the Rock that my Church is built upon... You don't see it... I guess its like when I was at that one so called church... all I could do was tell everyone how great a preacher ours was... and they in turn would give me strange looks... "Your following a man..." they would say. and We would think of all the times he said "Follow me even as I follow Christ"... and we believed he was following Christ... Until we found that he was in Hypocrisy... and doing things no man of God could continue doing... if he really was a man of God.. God would rebuke him.. right?


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I have received a revelation and been called to repentance. I now have my eyes opened and can see where you come from. You are truly a person of sincerity and love for God, and I shall say all men.

What I can see now is that you desire the truth to be had and displayed. You feel that you have the truth based on your walk with God and I accept that now as law that you do.

I in error thought you were attacking what I hold sacred when you only acted on your faith in God to reveal the truths that you perceive as the word of God.

It is my humble prayer that you will see through your mission and that God will bless you in your endeavor to do His will because I see now that is what you are doing.

To my hurt it would seem, but to my great joy that you are sincere and love God. What is most important is that You preach Jesus Crucified and resurrected that we too may live again and be judged of Christ to enter into God the Father's presence.

Now to business... I assure you that I do not follow the man Thomas S. Monson, who is the most important prophet to me, not Joseph Smith Junior.

I understand that you do not need a prophet to help you in your faith and I will never detract or hold you in contempt because of it. I also do not need a prophet for my personal relationship with God. I don't need a church or a leader either. I only need my voice and my ears and a place to use them to walk with God.

I only need Jesus.

I need President Monson as an authoritative voice on matters that do not relate to me personally. He is the one that God authorizes to speak on matters of doctrine and when it is time to fight or surrender. God uses him to speak on His behalf in matters that related to more than just me, but groups of people.

Yes, President Monson is consulted by world leaders for his advice on heavy decision that regard their nations. These people at times are not even Christian, but they recognize President Monson spiritual connection to heaven and seek out his advice. This information is not for the public at large because the meetings are not meant to include others.

I accept President Monson as a prophet of God, so God can reveal things that concern more than my family to him as a spokesman. I know to what source to look for an oracle--not to be worshiped, but to be revered as a man of God. I also give that status to my wife. She is a prophetess. I have hearkened to her words and found that God has prospered me for it. I would never tell her that I hold her in that regard for she would immediately think I am being wicked.

I just know a person of special connection to heaven when I hear them speak, read their words and judge their actions.

Other leaders such as the Pope have been used and televangelist also--any one possessing spiritual gifts that affect humanity for God's sake.

God moves the Pope to act on certain things. It is part of my faith to accept that God will take a righteous person and reveal truths to him or her about people within their stewardship. Over a Billion people believe in the Pope. I do not doubt that God gives him messages to prompt those billions to act for the good of humanity. I do not accept the Pope as one who is authorized to act for God, but I do know that God uses him to act for the good of His children that listen to the Pope.

Which comes to you. I do not have knowledge of your faith, but I have faith that as the leader of your own flock of Saints that God leads you to direct them for good. I gain this from reading your other articles.

I judged you when I do not have perfect understanding and the Lord revealed to me and I publicly apologize for giving into suspicion, planted in the hearts of men by the enemy of us all.

You do not need to be Mormon or need a prophet. I have always accepted that. I feel by the spirit that it is true. I need to be Mormon and to know that God still calls prophets who speak His mind and will today. I need that for my heart to feel secure in God's love. Not only will He speak to me personally, but he will also validate what He speaks to me by having a prophet utter it. I have my two witnesses. My third witness is the Holy Spirit--the most important witness of them all because he leaves an indelible impression upon the soul that no man or book can. He is a member of the Godhead, and as such we a brought back into the presence of God each time we feel his presence and power acting in our lives.


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No King but Jesus!!! :-)

Rodric I am the son of a Woodcarver... interesting thing to be the son of a person who had similar trade to our Lord and his father...

You at first were worried about me "Attacking" but its not really about attacking... its more like this...

I am called to "Reprove, rebuke and Exhort with all long suffering and Doctrine."

When my dad aproached a piece of wood to make a beautiful work of art out of it.. depending on what the wood looked like at first... depending on its condition he would maybe use a Chain saw to cut it from the tree (Very crude attack?) Or maybe if the gross cutting was allready done and the wood was in lumber form already.. then he could use the stop cut knife and round gouges.. chisels etc to to do more detailed work... as the word progressed the tools would get finer and finer... finally the work was done with little rasps and sand paper... taking off the rough edges and making the work complete.

The Problem is that the Wood does not want to be shaped.

The wood resents the carpenter... resents the Carver...

The Wood says... "I was already a Perfectly good Linden (Lynden) wood tree before you started!!!" "and I was already doing what God put me here for..."

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charles allan 4 years ago

The fact that the mormon church allowed a man more than one wife

overturning the commandment of Jesus is more than enough to brand

the mormon church as utterly apostate


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Charles I was talking to a Mormon the other day (A former LDS "Missionary" who years later, is now coming out) and in one of our conversations he told me of some complete Contradictions and Hypocrisies that he had come to understand from within...

That in the Book of Mormon Polygamy is said to be an Abomination to God... and yet Joseph Smith was supposedly Told.. no, more like Forced to engage in this activity... and not with him taking wives of the Unwed women of the Church.. But rather with him taking the Wives of OTHER CHURCH MEN!!! While they were still Living.. and with the wives returning to their husbands after their relations... HORRIBLE!!! And this was done all in the Name of Jesus Christ!!!


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Rodric... I got a question for you...

Do your "garments" ever start to "hurt you" ? When you find contradictions in Doctrine.. or in history... or start to Question whether or not your in the right Church? Do they feel heavy? Here is a Bible Verse for you: 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty there. I am thankful for God's grace towards me and his kind regard to place me in a position to find the truths that I hold so dear. The only heaviness I feel is in my heart over the wickedness that surrounds me because my brothers and sisters will not hearken to the Spirit of God that teaches us to do good and support good.

It seems that more rapidly our society is slipping away from Christ's teachings. Soon the divide will be so wide that persecution my ensue. Hopefully some souls will see good examples of Christianity and join the cause of righteousness.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Rodric Im Praying for you... We are praying for you... Just want you to know that... Might seem like such a small thing... but its from the heart..

And the Persecutions have already started... Inside the LDS CHurch as well... The Church has always had Persecution... ever since it was founded 2000 years ago (+/-) those who have striven for Truth and Righteousness have been separated from the flocks and pushed away by errant leadership.... God has always moved his rightious toward small fellowships with other like minded people... the Church is not about a Business that you can see... it is and always has been "The fellowship" or "The Assembly of Brethren" who met in Christ name... in houses... in caves... wherever they could meet to peaceably pray and seek the Lord. Praying for you.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I appreciate your prayers. I really do, and I need as much prayer as possible.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

You have the prayers Rodric... and if you need to talk you can email me from my profile page...


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

These are questions we asked ourselves at a time when we were facing similar situations...

"Where is the time to enjoy your Family when your racing the clock to serve the Lord...?"

Do we serve the Lord by pleasing Mere Men??? Or is the Lord made the most happy when we Live by His Word and serve... simply.. as a family... together?

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