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Cesar Millan Will Not Train My Dog

Updated on August 18, 2015
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Whitney has over 10 years of experience in dog training, rescuing and dog healthcare.

Dog Training

I find that there are many different methods of dog training and there are some methods that work better than others, all of which depend on the individual dog and the dog owner. I have found that some dogs work wonders with clicker training, but others just can't get the grasp of it even with a super slow introduction.

When training dogs, it's best to find a training method that works for each dog not use the same method for all dogs.

People do not all learn the same, and neither do animals, so you have to find the right method for training your dog that works for both you and the dog.

As for Cesar Millan, I will admit at first I was amazed by the stories that I had heard, so I had to get his books. The books are good and have good tips in them, but at the same time there are many flaws in Cesar's way of training.

His dog training methods are very outdated, and there are a number of more effective means of training a dog. Now, I will admit that if done correctly under the supervision of a well qualified dog behaviorist, Cesar's dog training methods can be proven effective at re-training bad behaviors, but the average dog owner is generally not able to carry out these techniques without flaws.

Personally, I love my dogs too much to listen to Cesar Millan's way of training. I will not use adverse training on my dogs by any means. Positive reinforcement is a much more efficient and reliable way to train a dog, and to the dog it is a much more fun way to train. And, there are more than one ways to skin a cat, meaning there are more than one way to positively train your dog.

Generally, you will find that adversive dog training is focused around fear and intimidation, and if you ask the top behaviorists, veterinarians, and specialists, you'll find that they will generally all agree that there are better means of training than negative dog training.

Cesar Millan Dog Training Methods

Cesar Millan uses more negative training than anything else, which is the old school method of animal training. You'll find the Cesar is known for his aversive training techniques, using flooding and punishment, which lead to more temporary behavior changes versus a permanent change.

You'll should note that Cesar Millan is known for using assertive touch, leash correction, alpha rolls, and energy draining exercises, as a form of dog training. He has been criticized greatly for his use of dominant and aggressive training techniques. Cesar has used choke collar and pinch collars on dogs with severe fears, and he has forcefully confronted aggressive dogs; both of these acts can potentially enhance the fear or aggression in the dog.

His show has even been threatened to cease airing by the American Humane Association because of his forceful training techniques. "The Dog Whisperer" is a mediocre show for adults to watch, and while Cesar Millan is attempting to give you tips at training your dog his way, he is also telling children, and adults, that it is ok to try these tactics with their own dog, potentially leading unsafe situations that they are not prepared to handle. I.E. never use punishment or correction on a dog who is already scared because fearful dogs have a high risk of biting.

Even if Cesar flat out says, "Do not try these methods without a professional," people will still try them on their own. In a way, he does give his disclaimer notice, but that is not enough to stop anyone from forcefully alpha rolling their dog or running their young pup on a dog treadmill for an hour or more.

Cesar Millan Aversive Training Techniques

Remember that aversive training is not a permanent and long-term solution for dog training. You will find that punishment-style training is a temporary fix of a solution. The dog will eventually find means to continue the behavior; he will just find a different method of doing so, in order not to get caught.

Assertive Touch: Essentially, this is what it is, assertively, and many times aggressively, touching and manually maneuvering the dog. Typically, this tactic is used to re-focus a dog from his target to you at the moment he starts to show interest, but in most cases it is a matter of timing in order to catch the dog before you lose control of him.

There are many different solutions to re-directing your dog's attention, and properly training him not to be aggressive or overly excited to whatever object he is prone to showing extreme emotion toward. Most other methods are more effective long-term.

Generally, you'll find that assertive touch can cause a dog to lose trust in you and potentially develop other behavioral concerns, especially if you do not time it properly or if your touch is too assertive for the particular behavior (IE the punishment must equal the bad behavior).

Leash Jerks: Again, just like it sounds, you are giving a quick snap of the leash as soon as the dog shows signs of bad behavior. This is a very hard tactic to learn, and the average pet owner will more than likely not be successful with it, since there is an exact moment to which the leash jerk is actually effective and at any other moment it will not work. You must use the proper amount of force at the proper angle in order to even do any good. Overall, leash jerks can cause your dog to lose trust in you, as well as develop other behavioral problems.

Who's doing the alpha roll here?
Who's doing the alpha roll here?

Alpha Rolls: Alpha rolls are a common aversive tactic that is supposed to show submission of the dog and your dominance over him. Well, when performed by the average pet owner, it can cause detachment and an increase of bad behaviors and canine dominance. You can cause your dog to lose trust in you if you overuse and abuse alpha roll overs.

Alpha rolls should onlybe used by very experienced dog trainers and typically only as a last resort. Cesar Millan has popularized this tactic without telling anyone of the potential side effects; he basically says any time your dog misbehaves, even for a minor offense, roll him. Alpha rolls can emphasize violence with your violence tot he dog; you may cause physical and mental damage to the dog.

Alpha rolls can be very dangerous if you do them at the wrong time and on the wrong dog. You can see additional behavioral problems than what initially started. You may even see that your dog skips the natural dog behaviors that you've been punishing him for (IE alpha roll him for growling, and he may just skip to biting without the warning).

Energy Draining Exercises: Yes, in a way a tired dog is a well behaved dog, but this is no excuse for putting a 12 week old puppy on a dog treadmill and making him run for extended periods of time. Puppies need rest and should not be overworked; Cesar has repeatedly put younger dogs and puppies on a dog treadmill as an energy drainer. This is by no means a method of dog training that is approved by any reputable behaviorist or veterinarian.

You do want to walk your dog at least twice a day for 30 minutes (an hour is better), but that does not mean extended 5 mile runs three times a day and vigorous play and exercise. By using energy draining exercises, your dog will be better behaved to some degree because he'll be to tired to move.

This extreme energy draining tactic can cause physical health problems for the dog, and in all reality, it's not doing anything to correct the bad behavior because even a tired dog can and will get into trouble.

Aversive Tactics that Increase Agression

  • Hitting or kicking the dog- increases in 41% of dogs
  • Growling at the dog- 41%
  • Forcing the dog to release an item from its mouth- 38%
  • Alpha roll (force dog on its back) - 31%
  • Dominance down (force the dog on its side)- 29%
  • Grabbing the jowls or scruff- 26%
  • Staring the dog down until it looks away- 30%
  • Spraying the dog with spray bottle- 20%
  • Yelling “no”- 15%
  • Forced exposure/ flooding techniques - 12%

Positive counterpart that may lead to aggression:

  • Exchange an item for an item that's in his mouth instead of forcing the item out- 6%
  • Training the dog to sit for everything it wants- 2%
  • Rewarding the dog for eye contact- 2%
  • Reward the dog for “watch me”- 0%

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      ann 2 years ago

      I have two German shepherds they are not good with other dogs I do correct them when needed but if there is one thing I can't stand is those people that take there dogs out for a walk and the barking goes on and on and they have them on those stupid flexibility leads . They pull there owners every where and they don't say a word to the dogs I think there scared that they might upset them they treat them like kids. They need to be corrected for bad behaviour and because my dogs are aggressive with other dogs if looks can kill but at least I 'm not scared to correct them. If I could have the chance of having cesar come and help me with them I would be thrilled. He can see a fight happen long before it happens he can read dog language and I'd trust him any day with my two if he was that bad how is he famous jealousy is a terrible thing.

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      sherry d. 3 years ago

      I've tried to watch used his show a couple times but ended up crying he is so abusive(learn dog body language and watch the show without sound).if I could put to sleep Mike Vick or Cesar Millan it would be a toss up.I have had several people tell me they tried these methods and the dog got more aggressive and they ended up putting that the dog to sleep.that death is in his hands because he caused it.I have a dog that killed two dogs before I got her she is now perfectly safe around other dogs I used all positive reinforcement.

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      Science first 3 years ago

      As a professional animal behaviorist for over 30 years I do not recommend most of Cesar Milan's training methods as they are indeed not only outdated, often ineffective long term but some are outright dangerous. If you want a strong bond with your dog then positive methods do work best. There are also different methods of positive training as one method doesn't work on all dogs.

      Dogs live for the moment and of course want to do things they want to do, but if they know what YOU want (you have taught them with clear instructions and not just forced them into situations) they will do what you want almost all the time (most do it every time!) as they know it makes that moment a happy one--whereas if its due to fear and dominance then they are much more likely to refuse to do it at any point as it makes it a tense moment. For example, pushing or forcing a dog to accept things it does not want by teaching them not to growl when you do something to them (or that the warning growl has no effect in stopping your behavior) they will learn to forgo the growl and bite first instead of adding the natural warning. This is one issue I see more often from those who have followed his training and is a very serious problem.

      Excessive exercise can actually injure puppies growing joints and should be avoided. A proper amount of exercise for the age of the pup is recommended however, to allow the youngster to expel normal amounts of energy so they pay close attention but not be too tired to learn.

      I think those who dismiss this article and praise Cesar are missing the facts involved and are only seeing the glory of TV and isolated cases and not the long term results. This makes him look amazing, but in fact many professionals like myself spend more time trying to correct the damage to dogs and their owners from his methods. I am sure they love their dogs and want what's best for them and honestly believe this is good. When you try something and it works you may not look further. I can only hope they take further steps and get more information about better training methods, dog psychology (he is not a dog psychologist by any means as he doesn't know how to read their body language evidenced repeatedly on his show by how many times he is bitten and he says "I didn't see that coming") and strengthen their bond with their dogs instead of continuing to develop a fear and dominance based relationship.

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      Murphy 3 years ago

      why so obsessed by Cesar?? If you are soooooo much better than him just do your job (the way you thing is best) or do you have to prove your better than him?? this is called jealousy...

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      Camille. 4 years ago

      I agree with some of the people's comments that your article is kinda short-sighted. All you see and came to criticize Cesar's techniques are his techniques on how to deal with dominant and aggressive dogs. If you have paid attention Cesar would always point out that "touching" the dog to correct its actions, he is not kicking or maltreating the dogs for crying out loud, it is not a soft budge but not as well as a hard pound on the dog geez. It's like your telling your readers that Cesar always use a negative technique which is not he is also using some positive techniques as well; it is always a case to case basis as well. I can see that Cesar respects dogs, he doesn't jumps in to the situation immediately to "train" the dog, he understands it. And he would always put a reminder that us humans needs to be train and/or discipline as well for us to meet halfway or at the end. If he's method is not correct then explain how positive and submissive his dogs are and you can tell that those dogs are healthy and not in trauma. Like what others say not all methods are applicable so why diss on his when eventually it works.

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      Amy 4 years ago

      You may not agree with his methods but you cannot deny the results.

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      Mona 4 years ago

      This is a lot of bull. Every dog is different and needs to be trained differently, just as every child learns differently. One cannot completely shut out these methods. As for the percentages in the end, I call bullshit on those. There is just no way to come up with those numbers except to make them up based on generous exaggerations.

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      Halo10 5 years ago

      Whilst I agree some dog owners may not be able to use Cesar's methods successfully, I think this could be for a number of reasons all stemming to the lack of knowledge about what they are doing. It is one thing to watch a person work with a dog on a tv show who has had many years of experience working with dogs and it is another thing to use the methods yourself without any instruction on many things like timing, level of reward or correction appropriately, to correct the behavioral problem. Knowing what approach to use on a dog is not about whether it is right to correct a dog or not, it is about the dogs best interest and what approach should be taken to ensure he/she is a successful and fulfilled member of the family and society. Furthermore I do agree with the fact that dogs do not rationalize as humans do and they are not psychic, training should be black and white so that the dog can understand what behavior is not acceptable and which one is, reward for positive and correct for negative, this is something dogs do understand. Watch the next time your dog is playing with another dog or even your cat for that matter if they are friends, your dog will be rewarded with play by the other animal as long as they respect the level of play that the other animal wants and they will be corrected by the other animal if this is not achieved. So for all the positive reinforcement only trainers this is something to take into consideration.

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      Mike 5 years ago

      Those that seem to find a method that works for them then then assume everyone else is wrong are very nieve. I have two malamutes (brother & sister) both from 8 weeks and still they cannot be trained the same way. Just like people dogs can be different and therefore respond better to different imputs. I've had dogs all my life and am yet to find one that reacts the exact same way as another.

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      SandyMcCollum 5 years ago

      I agree that positive actions work, but not for all things. Cesar is doggie-god in my eyes, and he's not hard on the eyes, either. :)

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      Ghost 5 years ago

      If love worked on the dogs Cesar works with, he wouldn't be asked to work with them. He is brought in because the people who have the dog obviously have problems that have not been solved by 'positive training'. Like you said, not all methods work on all dogs.

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      G Basher 5 years ago

      The main reason for that "Do not attempt without consulting a professional" is to keep him and the network from being sued every time some idiot gets bit while trying to train their dog.

      For pet owners, consulting a professional is good advice. But the real problem with "consulting a professional" is figuring out which ones are actually worth a damn and which ones are just fools with a certificate hanging on their wall. All it takes to get a certificate is money and time, and the idiots get the same piece of paper as the competent ones.

      Unfortunately, now the majority of "certified" trainers subscribe to what I call the Dr Spock theory of dog training. That old fool has ruined many generations of children by persuading parents that strong training and discipline, SOMETIMES calling for spanking a child, is BAD, BAD, BAD, and that sweetness and fluffy pink unicorns is the only way to raise a child.

      The "only positive reinforcement" people used to show up in Field Trials and AKC Hunting Tests occasionally. We could always tell which ones they were: their dogs always lost, and often were completely out of control. I recall one that was sent out to retrieve a bird, and just kept on running, and running, and running .... he turned up about an hour after the test was long over.

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      Bflanders 6 years ago

      Everyone knows positive reinforcement is a great training method, and in the dog whisperer I see Cesar Millan doing it all the time. It seems to me like you never handeled aggressive dogs where there is no oppertunety to reinfroce positive. Your blog is really shortsighted and shows of little knowledge about training dogs. Every good dog trainers uses positive reinforcement (watch the dog wishperer) but combines it with assertive tactics when positive reinforcement isn't possible. BTW 1)It's in a dogs nature to correct other dogs with assertive tactics. Watch dogs play with each other for 5 minutes and you'll see. 2) If you use statistics, refer to the source. Statistics on it's own are completely useless. A good dog trainer should know that at the verry least.

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      santiago-reyes 6 years ago

      Cesar Millan I love, thanks to him everything has worked out great for me & family with my two babies cocker spaniel Gypsie and golden retriever Bubba. They behave so well....they neither fear nor suffer, THEY RESPECT.....lOVE MY BABIES...

      Thank you Cesar!!!!

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      UnkCoothd 6 years ago from Reno Nevada

      Nice comments lately. A couple of years ago there were more Cesar haters like Whitney05. Glad to see more people coming around.

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      H L 6 years ago

      I personally love Caesar. He understands dogs very well, and his methods are right for the dogs he deals with. The reason he never uses gentle methods is he never works with dogs that need them. I have a Siberian, and even though she isn't aggressive, Caesar's methods work well for me when I work with her because she has the 'pack mentality' Caesar talks about. True, his methods don't work for all dogs, but they work wonders for the dogs that need them.

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      Tonya Hurter 6 years ago

      Thanks for sharing your views. I appreciate Cesar but really like Victoria Stillwell's methods more. I think his methods work in serious situations but are not necessary in every situation and less hands on methods do work well. I think there are benefits to learning those methods for people. I tried to use Cesar's methods on a food/fear aggressive dog and I didn't win. I think that should be left to the professionals.

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      Celia 6 years ago

      I have just looked at Cesar Millan's two latest programmes in the UK. I THINK he has modified his techniques for the UK in view of the 2006 Animal Welfare Act. He claimed that his alpha rolls were "for relaxation not dominance" and although he did his usual leash jerking (minor not major pain) he did not do anything that would restrict the airways. Interesting. He still blathered about pack leadership, which any informed animal behaviourist knows is ridiculous. But on the whole I thought he was getting more humane. Perhaps he has bothered to do a little reading. He has wonderful timing, like all good trainers. Guess what, he even used food as positive reinforcement twice. Is he getting the message?

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      lindatymensky 6 years ago

      This is a good article, well written too - but I love Cesar! Linda

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      Lisa 6 years ago

      I don't agree with your comments about Cesar...If you have an aggressive dog and you have tried all positive reinforcements and it doesn't work...The next method of training would be using a pinch/choke collar...This is not to be used to abuse but to correct an aggressive dog...Not all dogs are perfect, they all have different behavioural issues...But, if you have an agressive dog and he/she is very hard to manage and this is the only way around it, i totally agree...What would you rather to rehome the dog or put it down as you havn't tried an intense form of training aid...i say this because, I have been in this situation as I have had a problem with my dog when he was 5 months and it was an ongoing problem till he was a yr...I have tried several trainers, books, internet advice and he wasn't allowed in puppy classes because of his behaviour...I was introduced to the pinch collar and within 2 days my problem was solved...I have been through so much stress trying to solve this problem for 6 months and it was solved by using a pinch collar in 2 days..I don't need to use this collar anymore, as its corrected...I really think, it depends on the situation of a dog as they all are different and respond to different methods...

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      James 6 years ago

      I get a totally good vibe from Cesar Milan. He is obviously a man who loves dogs. He has devoted his life to learning how they think and helping them and their owners. Some of his techniques are definitely too advanced for me, an average dog owner, to try. However, I have found that his methods, as a whole, are quite useful.

      The only bad vibe I'm getting is from Cesar Milan's haters. Hating always stems from jealousy of other's success. Be happy for other's success, and success will return to you.

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      Carla-Sofia Crevaux 6 years ago

      I love Ceasar Millan! You should gain experience and we should be able to see it to verify your experience, your methods and your results. There is a way to make it in this world without putting down others that do good job. He always talks about his training methods and I recall him mentioning in many occasions that he tries different things with different dogs. Get your facts straight, because you seem to me like someone that has a problem with others successes.

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      Cynthai 6 years ago

      Personally I lack Ceaser Millan`s method when it comes to dangerous dogs. I personally train my dogs with positive reinforcement and clicker training.

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      jon 6 years ago

      hmmm, all i have to say is that yes, dogs are not wolves etc etc etc. but if you think o wait they use to be wolves now they are dogs, and dogs act like wolves, packs, urinating to show there territory, growling etc etc etc... so the pack leader which ceaser is saying works well and so does his way of trainin because naturally that's what they do.... what does the bitch do if a pup is naughty? growls or bites, what does a bitch or dog do when they are play fighting? bite each other in the neck or near the back leg, what happens when they want to be more dominant over another dog? bite the neck, ears, or near the back leg... ceaser's way of teaching is basicly natural to them. iam not saying yes everyone should do it as the author is correct in 1 way, that is only proffesionals should do it not everyone trying to train there dog as it is a difficult thing to do. and iam not saying the auther is wrong by saying what he said because some of them do learn better/faster by other ways, all iam saying is that ceasers way is just more natural in my opinion, and don't point moaning about me sayin this because that's just rather childish and i cant be arsed to argue with idiotic people who think they are right all the time, as iam saying there both right not just 1

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      Marieët de Roos 6 years ago

      The methods he uses are cruel. First dogs are not wolves anymore. The methods he uses are aparantly based on what wolves do, but wolves that are not captured are a real family, they tread there pups very good. If anyone wants to now more you should studdy wolves and dogs in full freedom. Read books from David Mech. The dogs that live with us are not wild anymore. They already are around humans for thousands of years (some think more than 60000) and they lay on soft beds, etc. We are not dogs, we can never be dogs. But that does not mean that we can not treath them right.

      I am a dogbehaviourist in Holland and I find that if we try to understand their signals as good as we can and we treath them like living beings with feelings, emotions and needs. You get fantastic results with any dog. Even dogs that are aggressive need undestanding. There is always a reason. Most of the time it's us humans, but pain and genetic material (these days caused by humans)can also cause a lot of problems. Every dog is different. They don't need a method, they need what everybody needs.... Understanding and a nice life.

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      HK 6 years ago

      I myself love Cesar Milan...His way of training is not negative, he treats dogs as if they were learning in the wild in their packs. I think too many people treat their dogs as a substitute for their children...and i'm sorry but they are animals, such as the pig and the cow...I am a dog lover, and I love my Dexter, but he's a dog...not a person, and maybe people should be reminded of that. When puppies grow up in a pack of wild dogs, guess what they don't get to sleep all day in a fuzzy soft crate or bed. They're out there with the other dogs looking for food and trying to keep their life.

      Really, use what ever method of training works for you, he's not telling you to beat your animal so just because 'his' method doesn't work for you there's no need to bash it. It works for millions of people...

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      parkercoleman 6 years ago

      Wow! There are a lot of opinions about this topic, and quite verbose, I might add. That said, here's what I think.

      We never want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have been involved with dog training for over 30 years, and I've watched dog training evolve from what would now be considered abusive techniques to overly positive techniques that spoil the dog.

      The way you train your dog will depend upon you and your dog and what works best for you. There is a limit to being punitive, because you don't want to be abusive. There is also a limit to being positive, because you don't want a spoiled, demanding dog. I say, know your breed(s), know your dog, and have a very good understanding of canine body language, innate social behaviors, and yourself. Then proceed by learning as many different techniques as possible and gradually escalate from the most positive to the least without becoming abusive or relenting. Unless there is actual harm being done, whether you go with Cesar or Fido, will be up to what works for you. The one common denominator is your dog's desire to be praised and rewarded and to avoid rejection and punishment. Just like us, only in a different language.

      Good Luck and Good Dog!

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      Whitney 7 years ago from Georgia

      I have added links to the bottom. Some are past links posted in the comments section about lawsuits and news articles.

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      Rachel 7 years ago

      I can't find the reference for the statistics at the bottom. Where did you find them?

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      Gigi Tonlin 7 years ago

      Just to follow up on that. No method of dog training is a one size fits all but can you watch him with his own pack and dobt his sincerity? He has been doing this long before it made him a household name both in America and abroad.He really cares I believe that dogs and humans are a good team together. I have always owned strong breed, rotties, bullmastiffs and british bulldogs. We have never had a problem with them with ourselves or our three children. We didn't get everything right but Cesar has helped us in many ways over the years with his advice.Long may caring dog owners like him try to help others with less knowledge and expertese.

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      Gigi Tonlin 7 years ago

      I think that Cesar has saved many dogs and families from the misery of having to rehome or euthenise a dog due to behavioural issues. Whether all of his methods are approved or not by some the fact remains that he has an instant affect on all the dogs seen in his show. He has a specialgift which allows dags to trust him and lack of trust or respect is the root cause of many problems in dogs and people within society today I believe.

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      Renata 7 years ago

      I have volunteered at animal shelters for over two decades, and I am a dog trainer. Many of you people are confusing "fear" with "respect." It's just like the way people raise their kids today. We don't want to hit our kids, Cesar doesn't "hit" the dogs, but there are CONSEQUENCES and a good pack leader (human or dog) demands that respect and initiates CONSISTANTLY consequences (i.e., ignoring unwanted behavior, praising appropriate behavior...this is how ALL mammals learn to fit in to society for survival of the family/pack). We have humanized and destroyed domestic dogs by either lack of respect and using physical punishment and/or giving no consistent direction. Dogs want you to be a LEADER so they don't become mentally unstable at trying to fulfill that role in a human world they don't understand. Cesar only uses what is perceived as aggression with dogs that come to my shelter and may be euthanized if not changed. We also see him work with "stupid" humans who have less aggressive dogs and can clearly be worked with by showing who is pack leader (know aggression shown by Cesar, just an ASSERTIVE PARENT...mostly what many people have trouble with). Assertiveness, people, is not aggression. It is laying the law of the pack/house and saying "here is what I consistantly expect of you" to the dog, and consistantly showing any other behavior, or trying to assume pack leadership is not ever going to work. That's why my high energy pit bull and Schipperke pets behave, feel secure, and are very happy I am their leader...which provides security. Most people are TOO LAZY to do what's right for their pets or kids, or spouses. Most people shouldn't have any of those things in their lives until they get their acts together. I love Cesar; he truly shows he loves animals. When you don't set rules, boundaries, limitations, then affection with your pets and your kids, you do not really love them....you are giving them insecure and unstable mentalities; you are damaging them.

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      Cesar Stays True 7 years ago

      Many dogs are rescued from pounds and euthanasia because of Cesar. He’s an amazing trainer and has a very useful show if you know how to understand his ways/techniques.

      Cesar’s show does post "Do not try these methods without a professional," but this is because of the way that others may use the tips. Every dog has a different learning style and some methods do not work on certain dogs- just like every other dog trainer should know. Techniques should not be tried out if you don’t know exactly what you are doing.

      I personally have used some of Cesar’s techniques to train/rehab the shelter dogs that I work with (as well as the ones I own)- from dogs that are fearful to dogs that are people and/or dog aggressive. If you simply think that your way is better than Cesar’s, keep that to yourself. We don’t need to hear on a website about your hatred for his techniques and how you would never use his training methods on your dogs because you ‘love your dogs too much’.

      But I do believe in having an open mind about training techniques- but all of Cesar’s are the only ones up to date that have made sense. From the pack leader to being calm and assertive to its YOU not the dog who does make the problems and OBSERVATION. Many, many trainers just use techniques before observing what kind of technique they NEED for the certain dog and finding out what the root problem actually is. CESAR DOES THIS. Cesar would not be where he is now if he was not an amazing trainer. His techniques are so effective and he knows how to read every dog to know what their needs are. He picks up on the littlest things that many trainers don’t think about, or don’t catch. Cesar is also the only professional trainer I know that proves it is the owners who make the difference- they are usually the ones that reinforce the problems... and they may not even know it! I have personally met 11 trainers that are not giving clear messages to the dog they are dealing with. Although, I do think that some ways of positive training is beneficial, but again you need to be listening and observing your dog in order to figure out if this is going to be the right technique.. every dog is different in some way. Cesar can help YOU make your dog balanced and keep you calm and assertive- many other trainers can’t do this because they simply don’t understand it. Cesar’s methods really are tied into natural ways of being- and if you do not see this, I pray for you and your dog.

      Your Alpha Roll critique is completely inaccurate to what Cesar mentions, and well as all of your statements about him being very ‘mean’ or ‘aggressive’ - there is a huge difference in aggressive and assertive. Again, in your Leash Jerks paragraph- this is why Cesar says "DO not attempt the techniques you are about to see without consulting a professional," because some people do not know how to properly perform this method. In your Energy Draining Exercise you are implying that this is what Cesar does. Do you always see him running his dogs he is about to work with forever? No. However, yes a dog does need the proper amount of exercise to meet his needs- otherwise he can turn around and use that built up energy in a dominant or aggressive manner. You also mention in here that your dog needs to be walked for 30 minutes two times a day (although 1 hour is preferred)- however, this fact is a false statement. If you have a Kelpie, Cattle Dog, Rhodesian or even a Boston Terrier, you can’t just take your dog for two 30 minute walks. First the dog will not have gotten enough exercise (physically or mentally!!) and second of all walking is not your only option- running, biking, swimming, tracking, hiking, and agility are more effective at make your dog work mentally more than the same walking routine- but am I saying that walks are a bad thing or that you should always hike or bike instead of a walk? No, I believe that walks obviously do need to be in your dogs routines- it is an excellent structure for your dog... but in the (min. of) 14 walks a week you should be mixing it up. Your dog should also be kept up with daily training- reinforcing previously learned ‘tricks’ and new tasks to keep your dog balanced and structured.

      And of course do not forget to give affection when your dog is in a calm state... why have a furry buddy when you can’t hug and kiss him?!

      All the best to you and your furry friends! :o)

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      Sara 7 years ago

      There are 4 different drives in dogs; prey, pack, fight, flight. Most dogs are a combination of some. I have a dog with equal parts prey and pack, and a little bit of fight in him, too. I use his pack drive to avert hostile confrontation with the command "with your pack". I play fetch to satify his prey drive. Once once figures out what drives their dog, training is a breeze if one is patient. Ceasar's techniques are great for dogs with a strong fight drive. Too aggressive for a strong flight drive.

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      pitlover 7 years ago

      wow, do people really hate like this. you don't like him, don't watch. in my experience the people who don't like him tend to be the people who lack natural leadership, they find his methods harsh and go on quoting how science proves this or that. to me its good entertainment. when it comes to positive reinforcement, i completely agree that it is good to look for chances to reward your dog. but not having some sort of correction when the time calls for it is like counting at your kid when they do something they are not supposed to, it is less harsh but it teaches the kid that he can push things to a set amount of time, therefor reinforcing the negative behavior. same with dogs. if you do not give them some sort of negative reinforcer when they are doing something you don't agree with it has to match the intensity. if the dog is trying to kill another dog are you going to stand there and tell the dog uh uh come over here boy, right, the dog is not going to respond if it is in a highly aroused state of mind. you have to physically move the dog away from the stimulus at that point. now in moving the dog away you put pressure on some part of the dogs body, does that mean you treated the dog bad? no it means you did the right thing and saved his life. he is not a trainer like mrs stilwell, he works with behavior. he modifies the dogs behavior in a natural process. now you don't like it or you do, your opinion. can you do it? obviously the international association of canine professionals and the national geographic channel have bad taste in your eyes for allowing a man who saves lives, if you have two dogs who want to kill and you have caesar and victoria side by side, do you really think victorias passive approach is going to be taken seriously by a large aggressive dog? her clicker is not going to matter when her hand is gone. now once the dog is in a more calm state of mind i do agree to do all you can to reinforce the desired behavior, but an all rewards approach is just as foolish as a complete compulsion approach. there has to be a balance of reward and consequence. i don't really think her approach can even come close to what caesar can do. if my dogs eating poop or peeing on the floor i think she could handle that, if my dog is wanting to kill or is in danger of being put to sleep i believe he would be the best choice. so if you don't like him look in a mirror and ask yourself, are you a natural leader, if not there is part of your problem. a natural follower can never understand how to be a leader. yes you can go take courses and seminars and read books on it, but if you were not born with it you will never naturally have it

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      Beth 7 years ago

      I always thought Caesar was a wackadoodle, after we recently got a puppy and I started looking into training I've learned just how much he sucks! (BTW this comment is not impartial) It's sad that millions of people are being brainwashed into this crazy, outdated, cruel method of training.

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      Russ 7 years ago

      I don't know if another commenter already pointed this out, but to say (as it does in Whitney's article) Millan prescribes alpha rolls as appropriate for any misbehavior is totally inaccurate. He specifically describes the alpha roll as the highest consequence in one of his episodes, and uses it only he feels a dog it out of control to the point no other correction will work, or when the dog has committed an extremely aggressive act.

      As others have pointed out, there is a place for many of Millan's techniques, but I think most people are unwilling/unable to learn his system fully enough to properly use it when it comes to corrections and flooding, and I think positive reinforcement is a much bigger part of the picture of having a healthy "balanced" dog than what the show sometimes depicts. I use his formula extensively (exercise, discipline, affection) but also tons of positive reinforcement and have great success with my dog. If it weren't for his show I wouldn't have a dog at all, much less a very well-behaved and happy one.

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      stephen burch 7 years ago

      I think the best method of learning about any animal, including ourselves is through observation. I regularly partake in a pack walk of up to 20 dogs and observe their behaviour in different situations and learn how they deal with it. Ok I'll admit that even with the behaviour going on directly in front of you it is still a matter of interpretation of that behaviour, but surely it's about gaining as much knowledge as possible from the dogs so you have a very good chance of interacting with them in a way that presents them with the path of least interpretation, after all they have to interpret our methods as well. As for verbal commands like sit and stay the dogs learn these so they can get along with us, after all it's in their interest to do so and when the right techniques are used, you can get dogs to do these things without verbal content and without any negative behaviour eg fear being displayed. The dog is just focused on the job in hand.

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      eastcoastone 7 years ago

      As a dog groomer I see many dogs. The thing is it does not matter that Cesar Millan has a show. It does not seem to matter that there is an animal planet channel. I see untrained dogs way more often then trained. The smaller the dog the less chance it is to be trained. What it comes down to, is doing your homework before you buy the dog. Then beginning a training regiment the minute it gets home.

      I believe in the positive approach. Unfortunately many people that get a dog are just too lazy to do the work. I give tips all day long for different problems. Dogs are creatures of habit, make sitting and staying a habit. This is not a complicated scenario. What I seem to find is the owners don’t want to do it themselves. I give them tips and they want the number to a good trainer. As if just having the trainer come in once a week, with no reinforcement by the owner after the fact, is going to do anything.

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      MAYRAPINK 7 years ago from texas

      the only thing I don't understand is why he would have a show yet state for us "not to try at home". I think many of us tuned in to observe and learn not only to watch and sing him praises. So the disclaimer for me defeats the purpose of his show. Still, some dogs cannot learn by positive reinforcement. He has done wonders but personally i've learned that recognizing and rewarding (even with a belly rub or paw shake) produces the best results :) great hub and nice pictures!

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      Audrey Kirchner 7 years ago from Central Oregon

      Having one of the most "difficult" breeds (malamutes) I totally agree - having had trainers try and foist these techniques on me with OTHER breeds already I decided a long time ago that beating up my dog was not the way to go. You can be the alpha without ever uttering a word - it is all about understanding the breed. Not that it helps at times because the frustration level can be oh so high! But I would rather earn my dog's respect rather than beat it into him or her on ANY level!

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      GwpLady 7 years ago

      Cesar's philosophy in regards to the human condition, confidence, calm/assertive energy, and believe in oneself has been incredibly motivating for those of us that actually work daily within the animal welfare industry.

      Our dogs come into our rescue facilities confused, traumatized, and many times aggressive.

      We also have aided the Dept of AG on raids of puppy mills, were able to remain calm for the sake of the situation and for the dogs.

      I do not see Cesar's way as "training" because to me it just isn't. It is the natural order, those of us involved for years have used methods similar for YEARs before he put them into writing.

      We use a variety of methods when handling our specialized breed, that can be sharp, both to people and other animals. I find his work to be so very tied into nature, the human element, peace and calmness that we all benefit from in our organization-both the dogs and humans.

      If you truly understand this work, and the work of Jan Fennell, and many others...you can provide yourself the tools to work with your particular situation and recognizing your Limitations is key. Any behavior I an not comfortable with, I will defer to our Behaviorist DVM here in Kansas City, or our Field Trainer, using other resources within the community.

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      Kaelinda 7 years ago

      Cesar is about behavior, not tricks. He doesn't teach dogs to sit, down, stay, or come. He's about energy, not methods. He likes to say that all ways are good that do not harm the dog. Cesar also says not to try his techniques without the help of a professional. Blaming Cesar for what others do is like blaming gun manufacturers for the murder rate in the USA.

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      CJ Anderson 7 years ago

      Hi Whitney, Isn’t it just sad that people will take on attempting a skill they do not accurately understand? Statistics for 2005 showed that 6 million 430 thousand some odd people got in accidents with their cars because they overestimated their skills or underestimated the conditions they were driving in.

      Cesar's way is like that.

      Also Cesar would agree with you 100% and has actually said many times that the LOWEST energy that was effective should be used to change dogs behavior and for training.

      What is not accurate however is that it does not take a profession to use most of Cesar's solutions for problem dogs. I own a yahoo email list that is around 3,100 current members (another over 20,000 have come in solved problems and left our high volume list over the last 4 years). These people work together to help dog owners understand how to correctly safely and appropriately apply Cesar's solutions with other solutions to fit their unique environments, knowledge, skills and problems.

      I also have movies up on my youtube.com/cjanderson of most of the 40 last chance dogs destined to be euthanized before some rescue pulled them to bring to me because local trainers could not or would not help here in Arizona.

      Who am I? A 55 year old, weak, overweight college teacher of safety, health and environmental risk management who has taught adult learners for 33 years. I'm nobody in the dog world except someone who stepped up to learn how to correctly, accurately and safely apply these techniques to save dogs who were going to be killed.

      Because of my work with others, I have had the opportunity to watch the filming, the editing, and spend time with the man and his wife. He is the real deal. The show is real, including the timing of the fixes which are documented in the show, the follow-ups that were done years later, which anyone can read about in the Dog Whisperer Season 1-3 Episode guide, (Season 6 starts next month).

      I also would respectfully offer that for something to be "outdated" means that it doesn’t work any more, can't be used anymore, isn’t fashionable or in style... lol, none of those definitions can be applied to what is happening with Cesar's Way.

      LehahKimball, I must also respectfully correct that Cesar is absolutely NOT one way, "my way or the by-way". He as said many times in many conditions - "ALL ways are good that do NOT harm the dog"! If it harms the dog it is NOT Cesar's way no matter what others say about their efforts.

      In fact, a very important element that you bring up that I wish more people would listen to, is how important it is to consult a dog professional to both jump start behavior changes that the owner can continue, AND to make sure one IS using the correct application solution for the correct problem. Most people don’t know the difference between fear biting and true territorial aggression, for instance.

      Hey Lonely Hubber, age is definitely a factor! Do you remember how much endless energy you had as a teenager? Most people do NOT spend enough time draining energy from their young dogs with fast pace walks or game activities! Gee, right now I have 4 foster dogs. I start them on treadmills (I have three) of 2-3.5 mph for not less then 30 minutes for the beagle, to 90 minutes for the greyhound lab 2 times a day! You can see that ALL my dogs are leash less treadmill dogs at YouTube. They LOVE it. THEN I work with them with training and obedience when they no longer have all that starch in their collar! I have two more last chance rescues who are now Therapy dogs for at risk kids and hospice!

      Thank you Whitney, for providing a place where we can calmly and respectfully discuss these points!

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      Wealthmadehealthy 7 years ago from Somewhere in the Lone Star State

      I watched CM once...I was not impressed...Somehow, I never used any of his methods, but my dog and dogs have never even taken a scrap of food they weren't supposed to...they bark when necessary to protect me, and have great doggie mannerisms....no jumping, whining, biting, and obedient...It doesn't surprise me about his show...as I said, it didn't impress me at all...Great hub here!!!

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      Barking Dog 7 years ago

      So, I've listened to both arguments, and agree---there seems to be a happy medium between both types of training.

      With that said, what would you guys recommend for a dog that wants to yip yip yip all day when kenneled. I'm working with a squirt bottle when he barks and positive reinforcement when he's quiet. But he's still doing it. Please let me know what you think...

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      When the dog doesn't react, praise him and make known he did well. If he acts ugly, you can't completely ignore that, as he has no clue he did wrong. You'll need to focus on obedience at this point. You can't take a dog that's being protective and potentially acts ugly to a dog park or a pet store where the dog will more than likely have an incident, in this case, you're setting the dog up to fail. In severe cases, you'll need to be firm, but that doesn't mean jump the dog and pin him till he gives in. At the moment he shows sign of misbehaving, firmly tell him no, this is going to mean you're going to need to be very alert when walking the dog and when other dogs are in sight. The first sign of a snarl, you'll need to act then. It'll be a long process, and without proper training, you may have complications if you do not time properly.

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      Sammy 8 years ago

      K. get it that Milan's methods can be construed as harsh. Though following the seasons, the technique has been muted.

      quick question, with pos/rein method, how do I get the weiner to stop going ballistic every dog he sees? ignore that, and on the maybe occasion another dog passes and weiner does net react, give him a treat? seriuos. do not get how that method works for when weiner goes devil.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      That is good. Positive training has been proven much more effective than adversive training.

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      Random Person 8 years ago from San Diego, California

      Lately actually I have tried postive alternatives and it is really working! Although I haven't totally given up on Cesar's Methods.

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      petsnakes 8 years ago from United States

      You might not agree with his training methods, but the bottom line is that they often work. They've been working for centuries and are modeled largely on the pack mentality of dogs. My only problem with Milan is he sometimes markets his training like he invented them.

      Personally I want a dog that obeys, and I believe this is true of most people. Whether the dog obeys out of "love" or "fear" it doesn't much matter. As long as it obeys the voice of its master without even a split second of hesitation.

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      From two extremes 8 years ago

      From everything I've read, the argument can go both ways. Whenever someone says that they see Cesar train dogs with positive reinforcement on his show, you always respond with your argument that "the show is edited and you don't see everything that happens." What you fail to realize is that same argument can be used against you. How do you know alternative training and positive techniques aren't used off camera? Then there are people who say that his techniques are outdated and nothing new or that he has "no real credentials" and no "degrees" whatsoever. If something works, it works. It's like telling someone they don't truly know how to cook because they're not a real chef with no degrees from culinary school. Or telling a musician he's not legit because he doesn't possess a degree from Berklee.

      Arguments about Cesar Milan seem to mostly go on the two extremes. On one side you have people who say his technique is wonderful and perfect. On the other are people who say his technique is horrible. I especially love reading about people who say, "I've trained dogs for years now and I don't use any of his techniques." That's great and you can keep on doing that. It's like saying there is only one correct way to raise a child- either through positive reinforcement the whole time or punishment.

      The bottom line is the public will never truly know how Cesar trains. Perhaps he changes his technique depending on the dog. Perhaps he favors one type over another. There is way too much going off camera to really ever know what's going on.

      And please, don't quote every single thing he says on the show. Just because he says uses a certain technique or says to do something, don't assume that it applies in all cases and for every dog. People stupid enough to follow every single piece of advice thinking it applies to them is the reason why TV shows have to put the warning "Do not try these techniques at home."

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      amber 8 years ago

      why do people like to argue..really it doesnt matter as long as the dog is trained (if a dog was going to be put down becasue of aggression it would not matter how it was trained as long as it is trained and gets a second chance! duh!)

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      amber 8 years ago

      ok, then i would like to see you have atleast 20 to 30 in the same place at one time and feed them....fights could break out fast...cesar millan teaches the dogs the way they would be taught in a pack...and if you would take time to watch your dog then you would see...(there are diffrent ways of training but with his training you dont need anything special..like a clicker) daddy seems to be very happy with the way his life is and he respects cesar and so does the 50 other dogs he ownes..they sleep right by each other and look so happy..people try to look at there body language "oh they look so scared" but there not..try looking up body lanugage in dogs...ive learned alot from cesar.(my poodle was just barking at the door when i let my puppy out so i went inside and pushed him very easy..he didnt lay down so i did it twice and he layed down and rolled over..then i went back outside and he waited patiently at the door until we came back in)Plus (our poodle and our border collie hate each other and i got both of them to walk beside each other with out a fight or growl...cesar is a good dog trainer his dogs are happy..and thats all that matters)

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      Headstrong Farm 8 years ago from Rhode Island

      Wow... I liked the Hub, but the comments! I think you are right on Whitney. You defenders of CM need to realize that the only dogs that need to be corrected by asserting your dominance are dogs that are being aggressive toward YOU, the owner. And yes, that can be dangerous and shouldn't be done in cases where one might get hurt. I personally don't think that my dogs should have to submit to anyone who isn't considered family, though I also don't think that they should be aggressive. That's all about socializing and handling and can easily be done with positive methods. The job of actually training a dog is always going to be best done by positive reinforcement, and never by negative methods. Stopping bad behavior is also best done by positive reinforcement. It requires a lot more work and attention, but you need to realize that the dog won't necessarily process complex concepts. Say it's barking at something... It may not understand that you're trying to correct it for barking, since it's barking for a reason. Different breeds won't respond the same to one type of training. You don't want to try the same methods with a Lab and with a JRT. They're both working breeds, but their instincts, temperaments, intelligence and social behaviors* are completely different.

      *between them and other dogs, other terriers and humans...

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      a person 8 years ago

      First of all he doesnt teach harmful techniques, poking a dog and pulling a leash doesn't hurt the dog. Second of all he isn't disciplining the negative behaviors, he is just stopping the behaviors by making a noise. Poking or pulling isn't being negative, it is getting there attention. it is actual more benifical to train your dog with his techniques, they will respect you, and will be able to enjoy life instead of always being yelled, which I'm sure you do, as well as many other people do too. If you ask dog physcologist, these methods are better for the dogs mentally. But if you want the dog to be un-happy ok. i hate it when people like you post these things, with lies all over them. You may not like the techniques yourself, but they work. You are another critic yes, but like many bad critics, and by bad i mean people who lie and tell bullshit to others, you consider more of the bad than the good. Any good critic could tell you that if anything is bad you need to think of how bad it is, and if it is good to what point is it good. whether you believe his ways are outdated means nothing, with time dogs just get it. They are not as stupid as you make them seem. You may never like how he does it, but you don't have to disrespect what the man does. Putting him down for his techniques is doing just that, grow up. stop posting this shit for attention, and grow up.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      I dont' really care who the next dog whisperer is if he/she trains like Cesar does.

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      Random Person 8 years ago from San Diego, California

      Yeah I think a lot of people are busy these days. And your right he prob. hasn't changed. But I was wondering, when he gets too old to go to peoples houses and stuff, who will be the next dog whisperer? I don't know. I guess I am just trying to make confersation...:)

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      I don't have time to keep up with what he does. I'm sure in 2 months, he hasn't changed much though.

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      Random Person 8 years ago from San Diego, California

      So have you done any recent research on Cesar Millan?

      - Random Person

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      I have heard about her, but not actually watched the show. I have heard great things about her though.

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      helenathegreat 8 years ago from Manhattan

      Great hub! (I think I've already commented on it, but I'm too lazy to check.) I just had another thought. I'd like to know what you think about Victoria Stillwell, who airs on the same channel but has a less forceful (certainly less physical) approach to training. She teaches less that dogs need to SUBMIT than that they need to... listen? I dunno.

      I'm sure you've heard of her, but I highly recommend Patricia McConnell's books on dog behavior. Hands down best, most readable, most easily implementable advice about dogs and their behavior I have ever seen.

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      Mark 8 years ago

      We watch the Dog Whisperer regularly and get a lot out of it. My wife is 130 pounds and she could not walk our dogs together before watching his show (we have two Aussie/Collie rescue puppies, and together they are 135 pounds). Applying a few things he teaches really turned it around. She can walk them anywere, take them anywere, and they really get a lot out of it as well. Funny that one of the main things we saw was that going to a slip lead would make a difference - we used harnesses before and it was a mess. Immediately after we put the slip leads on they changed. We never went back. And I think the communication between me and my dogs is better with the new leads. They rarely pull on them, and its kind of amazing.

      I thought it was pretty obvious about dogs and exercise, but Cesar Millan says something like 45 minutes per day, which I think it correct for my dogs. I try to take me dogs out for AT LEAST two 15 minutes walks per day. Normally its about 45 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. They really benefit from this. I think its cruel to keep a dog locked up all the time. We live near a green belt, so we practice a one-mile walk on leash, then off-leash walk for 15-30 minutes in the woods. Sometimes we'll make them walk behind us, sometimes not. We give them commands when then can walk free. I'm actually a big believer in giving the dogs some off leash time to just explore. But they even get a lot out a 10 minute walk. They relax so much after a walk and a chance to get out and stretch their legs.

      So another thing I got from his show is that each thing you do is an exercise. Example: opening the front or back door. I used to open the back door and they would scream out of it, yelping and scrambling, knocking things over. Now we practice waiting for about 30 seconds with the door wide open, I walk out and invite them out -- they just trot out and up the hill. Same with the front door. They used to walk out the front door on to the porch when I opened it (I let them do this), but now I claim the space, ask them to wait, then open it. Its just a totally different experience.

      They still do all the other stuff they always have: sleep on the bed at night, cuddle while we watch TV, etc.

      There has been some comments about watch what you do (like alpha rolls, etc.) and I totally agree. You really do need to take baby steps on this stuff. We took steps to correct specific behaviors - in retrospect I see that they were taking advantage of us letting them run over us in some areas.

      A lot of what Cesar Millan talks about is energy, and how your energy is transferred to your dog. Also that dogs live in the now and we should take a bit of that to heart.

      I also agree that there are many ways to train your dog, I just wanted to say that we get a lot from watching his show.

      Mark

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Thank you for posting the positive alternatives.

      "Dogs do things out of love and respect. They are happy when you set rules, they are happy when your happy." Perfectly sums up a happy dog for sure when the owner follows this.

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      Scott 8 years ago

      Things that you should learn:1) Alpha role (aka, dominance, aka leader, aka mother or father) - This role is to set rules and boundaries, as if you were dealing with a child. It has nothing to do with aggression, hitting, kicking, growling, or any negativity. It has to do with respect and learning. This can be done in many positive ways. 1)Eat before your dog does ( I like to pretend I am eating his food, then I place it on the ground and make him wait before jumping on his food, I say eat up and say good boy). 2) Make your dog wait before stepping outside and you lead the way. 3) teach your dog to roll over, but not all the way, just to his back, praise him and rub his belly for awhile, make it fun and in the end his mind triggers submission. Now is that abusive alpha role. I don't think so.Touch and TapSome times dogs are just to fixated on there obsessions and you need to snap them out of it. A little tap wont hurt or make them more aggressive (I do not recommend this for amateur trainers if the dogs are already in an advance aggressive dominate role).Leash or pinch collar (aka choke chain)When training on a leash. We are looking to use it as a tool for direction and correction. Remember, there are leaders and there are followers, If your dog is buying his own food, his own doctor bills, then he is the leader, if not, you better lead. Keep your dog next to your side or behind you, as you are leading, not the dog. The choke chain is a very bad name. As that is not the purpose. The purpose of the choke chain is to create a slight pinch for correction purposes. The choke chain should always remain very lose around your dogs neck and only be used for corrective purposes. Remember, good dogs dont pull or attack, so it should remain comfortable around his neck.Remember this:Dogs do things out of love and respect. They are happy when you set rules, they are happy when your happy. They do not need treats or a clicker, they need to earn from learning and behaving well and in-return they are reward with love. Its that simple.

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      iluvCM-but-don't-recommend-him 8 years ago

      First, I love a good "clean" debate.

      Second, any knucklehead who watches a reality show, especially when it specifically states "do not attempt these methods at home", and still tries them on their own is beyond stupidity. People may still want to blame the show for the idiots who think they can do this on their own, and I have to say that that isn't fair to Cesar.

      With that said, I believe the answer lies in the middle as it usually does with extreme opinions. I love The Dog Whisperer, and I love that Cesar makes dog owners see that it is their behavior that is the source of the problem. The show has proven time and time again that there are A LOT of lazy dog owners out there, just like there are A LOT of lazy parents out there. But even though I am a HUGE fan of the show, I wouldn't recommend his method be used by anyone who isn't in tune with their dog, which means that most people shouldn't use it. Most people can't be calm-assertive with other humans let alone with a dog. And I honestly believe that people need to try all of the positive methods first before trying other methods.

      But I really do believe the thousands of Cesar critics out there who post comments are really being unfair. They only focus in on a few episodes and are always saying "you don't see what goes on behind the scenes" when the people who post aren't behind the scenes either. No one mentions the episodes where he has brought in dog trainers, or the episodes where dog professionals have actually called him for help...and yes, those episodes do exist. Neither does anyone talk about how often people on the show were given advice by their vet, their trainer, etc. to euthanize their dog. I remember one episode where an owner went through 8 trainers and nothing worked. By the way, I'm sure negative things happen behind the scenes in DogTown as well.

      Again, I truly believe that the answer is in the middle of the road. I don't think anyone should attempt to submit a German Shepherd or even a Dachsund if it bites unless you are VERY experienced. Even if you think you are experienced enough, if it doesn't work after one time or two...you shouldn't do it. CALL A PROFESSIONAL. What the heck is anyone thinking that they could do something like that on their own? And if anyone comes away from watching the show thinking that they need to exercise their dog to death, or "kick" him, or "submit/alpha roll" him every time your dog does something wrong is just watching the show with "idiot" eyes. Come on folks. Common sense.

      But what I think I find most disturbing about his critics is that they condemn him/his methods wholeheartedly while Cesar has never once told anyone that they shouldn't seek the advice of a trainer, that they shouldn't use positive methods, that they shouldn't seek other methods other than his own. I'm always wary of any opinion that goes to such an extreme as his critics do.

      Whitney05, I appreciate that you opened the discussion, and even though you say you aren't attacking Cesar as a man, you do have to admit when you title your discussion, "Cesar Millan Will Not Train My Dog and Why I will not Let Him", it sounds a little bit personal.

      I'm looking forward to reading more posts.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      What you don't see is what is not on film. What about the reports of choking? Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

      Dogs don't think like humans, nor do they have the same mentality, so in many cases flooding can cause the fear to worsen. Same with people. You have to be very careful when using flooding, it can backfire something fierce

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      Katie 8 years ago

      I believe that there is more then one way(cesars way) of training a dog. But also, if you ever watch his show, at the moment I can not think of any dog that has not been changed for the better by him. Only one episode shows the owners coming back to get the dog and the dog ends up attacking Daddy(cesars pit bull) because that is what the dog would usually do when it was around its owner. Cesar then recommended that the dog stay with him because he was really concerned about the dog and wanted the best for it.

      I dont believe Cesar abuses any dogs at all, but I also do not know him personally so I will not say that he doesnt. Unlike you, who accuses him constantly of 'choking' and 'flooding' dogs.

      He doesnt choke anybody. He has a cheap leash that he holds with his two fingers. And about the flooding. Some people who for instance are afraid of heights, believe that the best way to get rid of that fear is to face it head on. So why would that not be ok for dogs? Would those humans be abusive because they dont want to live with that fear anymore?

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      Molly87 8 years ago

      Finally someone who doesn't agree with Cesar Millan! I LOVED your hub!!! I love my Pitbull's too much to follow Cesar's unresponsive technique. You are totally right about everything and I totally agree about how abusive his techniques could be. I think he is given tooo much credit. I think it is finally time for people to realize how outdated and false Cesar's technques are. You are right on Whitney!

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      pavlovswriter 8 years ago from Upon Your Eyes

      Hey Hi and Howdy! Great hub! I love my pup too much to act aggressivley towards him - if I wouldn't do that to my children - why would I do it to him? Truthfully - I think badgering a pup into submission is cruel -

      as well on a lighter note - Mitche Hedburg said this:

      "People teach their dogs to sit. It's a trick. I've been sitting my whole life, a dog has never looked at me as though he thought I was tricky."

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      gourownway 8 years ago from Los Angeles

      I've never been a fan of the man, and it's about time someone starts questioning his methods.

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      LelahKimball 8 years ago from USA

      Interesting hub. Very interesting comments. I've never been a Cesar Millan fan, personally. To me, it has always seemed he takes the "this is the *only* way" to train a dog stance. Standardized testing doesn't work in schools for a reason; dogs are no different than children. I prefer Brian Kilcommons as a dog trainer.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      He is only being bad mouthed, as you put it, because his methods have been proven outdated years before he started charging hundreds to train a dog, before he started his show and years befor he started using them.

      I have nothing against the manm just his techniques. Which as I've mentioned before if anyone else publicized their techniques, his/her name would be in this hub as well as Cesar's.

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      UnkCoothd 8 years ago from Reno Nevada

      I read the article you recommended as well as several articles that it recommended. WOW, there are more Cesar Millan bashers out there than I realized. If you believe the information posted on those web sites I can understand how you came to your conclusions.

      My sense of the man and his methods (which I practice with my own pack of 3 dogs) are that he is spot on. My dogs are happy, healthy and balanced. They are disciplined but never punished. I try to practice what he teaches, calm assertive pack leading. These other folks are calling it dominance and submission. He makes a huge distinction between discipline and punishment. Discipline is setting the boundries and limitations and enforcing them. Punishment is done out of anger or frustration not calm assertive energy.

      The lady who wrote the article you recommended seems to go out of her way to disprove everything Cesar says and then agrees with him in her conclusion.

      “Is exercise important? Absolutely! Do dogs need rules and boundaries? Certainly! Do humans need to stop equating dogs to humans and gain a greater understanding of dog behavior? Definitely! But how these goals are accomplished are of equal importance.”

      I have never heard Cesar Millan bad mouth any training method or philosophy, why are so many expending so much negative energy to bad mouth him?

      If you watch the show you can see all the good he does. So I ask myself, why so much negativity about such a positive loving guy?

      I don’t get it.

      Maybe I should just shut up here and post my own hub called Cesar-Milan-is-GOOD

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Sorry I misunderstood you.

      Please read this article that I posted earlier about the pack theory and how it is not correct.

      http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm

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      UnkCoothd 8 years ago

      Neither did I accuse you of being an Idiot nor did I mean to accuse you of talking to your dog like an idiot. I was going more for talking like your dog as if it were a human child. Sorry to offend. I think you are just missing the point. Cesar Milan does NOT train dogs. While you are not niave when it comes to dogs, Cesar has an innate ability to read and understand dogs, their moods and their problems (almost all of which are caused by people who don’t understand dogs). What you are calling aversive training is no such thing. He is simply using the same tools a pack of dogs would use to maintain a healthy balanced pack. That is the language they understand. That is what they want and need. Dogs will take on the alpha role if no person is telling them in their language who the alpha is. A dog in the alpha role in a pack that includes people is a frustrated dog. People keep breaking the pack rules by going to work and trying to tell them what to do.

      You seem quite intelligent so I can only assume you have only looked at Cesar Milan’s work from one prospective – the typical dog trainer prospective. The mistake there is that Cesar Milan is not a dog trainer. He says it at the beginning of every show. “I don’t train dogs, I train people, I rehabilitate dogs.) The way you bashed his so called “training technique” in this hub is one sided and narrow minded unlike most of your hubs I have read.

      The only reason I have commented here is to try to show the others who read your hub that Cesar Milan has a love for dogs that goes far beyond yours or mine for that matter. If I had read your hub before being exposed to Cesar in any other ways I might not have seen his true genius and passion for dogs and helping people take better care of their dogs.

      I have enjoyed every other hub of your I have read but this one is way off mark.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Not many people are able to accomplish aversive training styles, making it very dangerous. No dogs are supposed to be hurt, but it happens, hence the allegations in the links above as well as other situations, I've heard of but couldn't find much less have time for.

      Do not accuse me of talking to my dogs like an idiot. I am not an idiot, and I am not niave when it comes to dogs.

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      UnkCoothd 8 years ago from Reno Nevada

      Cesar Milan trains people, not dogs. He rehabilitates dogs. He teaches people what he has learned from dogs - not from dog trainers. Almost every technique he uses he learned from watching how dogs treat each other and how they maintain a healthy balanced pack. His teachings are about energy (which he also learned from dogs). Everything is energy and you can control your own energy vibration by controlling your focus. Dogs are very sensitive to this energy and respond to it.

      Most people do not understand the needs of dogs. They get dogs to fulfill their own needs then treat the dogs like humans. That is what damages most dogs. A dog that is the alpha (in its own mind) within a pack containing humans is an unhealthy dog.

      A dog that is a subordinant to a calm assertive pack leading human can lead a very long, healthy and happy life. Cesar teaches PEOPLE how to accomplish this. He works with dogs to heal them abuses humans inflict on them (mostly through ignorance).

      His techniques work if the human truly understands and follow his teachings.

      No dog is harmed, damaged or even offended by his techniques. They understand him because he is just talking to them in their language. You on the other hand probably talk to them like this - oohhbabyggooggaagaa now sit (please).

      2000 years ago many people were very critical of Jesus Christ's techniques too - but like Cesar's they work.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Three-Legged Dog, I'm surprised you haven't heard of him. I'm sure it didn't hurt you not to know. :-)

      droj, sorry i didn't clear anything up for you, but glad someone was. I don't plan on adding any links. And, you didn't say anything bad about my style of writing, just that you didn't understand why I believe what I do and why I didn't add a counterpart, which doesn't bother me at all. I wrote the hub as I did to express the potential flaws in a training style; if any other trainer had been using the style, he/she would have had his/her name in the hub too.

      Lonely Hubber, there is no age limit to training a dog.

      Jeremy, you are very correct dogs don't plan out their actions ahead of time.

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      Dogs live in the moment, find the training that works for you and be patient, and he/she will do just fine

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      The Lonely Hubber 8 years ago

      Hi Whitney

      I'm actually planning to have my dog trained but she's almost two years old. Would age be a factor? Thanks ;)

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      droj 8 years ago from CNY

      Wow.  What a discussion....

      I apologize for mistaking the point of your hub.  It seemed like you were trying to dissuade people from using Cesar's training methods.

      I think Jeremy did an excellent job clearing up some things that were, it seems to me, just differences in semantics.  And he did it all in a single paragraph!  ;)

      For example, when I've said "negative", I just meant "not in the affirmative".  Saying "no!" is negative.  Praising with "YES!" and giving affection is positive.  Stearn voice is _absolutely_ different from physical force, as you said, but for most dogs (like mine), it is still a form of punishment; it's "aversive".  My AmStaff/Pit gets upset when she's scolded.  Obviously, there is a huge range of what negative/aversive can mean.  Jeremy did a great job explaining how it does not always mean violent or abusive.  What was confusing me was the impression that you were (I thought) saying that no negative/aversive tactic of ANY kind should EVER be used (and I was being facetious about just giving them cookies all the time).  But you've mentioned having to grab a mussel or two, as you say, and your dogs know who's in control.  Obviously, there's a balance of "yes" and "no" with your dogs, and that's really what I was driving at.

      I hope you'll add some links to the hubs of yours that you think best describe your training methods.  Nothing wrong with a dash of self-promotion, right? :)  And I'd definitely be interested in knowing the method you use for attaining the position of respect/control with your dog(s).

      I also hope I didn't come across as too critical of your writing style; I was trying not to be.  You obviously have a lot of knowledge to offer, and I just don't want it to be dismissed because people don't initially understand (as I didn't).

      Regards...

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      Three-Legged Dog 8 years ago from USA

      Whitney,

      Came across your hub as a "featured hub" and read it because I seem to be one of the few people (and a dog lover!) that's never heard of this guy.

      Quite an eye opener, though, and for that, I thank you!

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      I'm not saying the aversive training can't ever work. I'm just saying I don't necessarily agree with it, and that it's not always the best solution. It can have may more potentially bad side effects than with other forms of training when done incorrectly and when done without the assistance of a professional. That's all I'm really trying to get at.

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      PS i am disagreeing with the utmost respect because i can tell your heart is in the right place and that your very knowledgeble about more topics than just this one. and i don't expect to change your mind necessarily, i respect that you stand your ground. I just enjoy a good conversation, regardless of if the people agree on everything, but can at least find common ground in the end. One should never attack someone for respectfully and soundly voicing their opinions. If only politcians could learn this....

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      Taking him to the pet store too soon was indeed a mistake in itself I agree. I was admitadly too inexperienced for him at the time altogether. The physical harm thing i see this way... a tug on a leash, or calmly but firmly holding a dog down, (NOT driving it into the ground) is preferable to that dog inflicting serious wounds on a person or another animal. with the idea (to me anyway) being that once you establish respect, using the least force possible, you then move to sound based consequence, like "no!" or "shh!!" sometimes a calm assertive "shh" is all it takes for some cases, but i think in all but the most extreme cases you ALWAYS reward the disired behavior or state of mind throughout the process. this makes the choice clearer for the dog, good manners gets affection, bad beheavior begets consequence. the problem i see with your rehoming a dog to a home that he acts normal in, is that what happens when you change a variable? like a friend visiting that the dog gets to decide he doesnt like and she bites that visitor. and really the people that already had the shiba were members of a very small group of saints that would take a dog that was that aggressive to begin with. i really think with cesars method dogs are able to relax and be friendly in any situation, with calm assertive leadership and exercise, dicipline, affection. He's solved many cases with assertive energy alone and not having to use one physical correction. many problems have also been solved simply with normal exercise. i think my main point is the physical aspect is a very small piece of his overall philosophy. and I have used the philosophy and its been great for me my wife and my bulldog, who is no pushover, but he has learned respect, and we haven't broken his spirit in the least, we're not perfect, (the major drawback of being human) but we love our dog, and we stay in the moment and shower his victorys with praise but as part of the deal correct his mistakes with different consequences or redirections depending on what he does. But we feel we can take him into any situation and 99% of the time he does wonderfully, (you can't hold the 1% against him, he does afterall have human parents) when he falls short we deal with it in the moment and move on.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Submissive is not meant to be fearful by any means, but to some degree, I would rather my dogs be intermediate and know who is in charge. So, you feel that a dog should be put in physical harm? Generally, if a dog is being aggressive or dominant, it may mean that that situation and home is not meant to be. I have seen many dogs act dominant and aggressive in home, but be perfectly "normal" in another home without extreme training methods. There is a home for every dog, and in most situations it just means that home and environment is not the right one. But, as for the choke-situation, what he did could have strongly enhanced the aggression in the dog, and the entire situation could be considered borderline abuse, in my book. As for the shock collar incident, he put another human in danger, and that's not right. I am not saying that being a little rough to show a dog, "hey that's not right" is not necessary at times, but I don't feel that it should be the main course of training by any means. I have had to grab a muzzle or two on a dog, but I honestly don't feel that an aversive and hands-on method of training is the best training in the majority of situations. I do see where being hands-on can benefit short term, but it's not a long term solution. I also don't think that my neighbor down the street needs to be hands-on and aversive to their aggressive Rottweiler, German Shepher, APBT, Lab, Poodle, whatever without proper training. Aversive training can potentially cause more damage and problems than you initially started with. In the exact scenario that you posted, I can't say what I would do. I'm typically pretty alert when it comes to my dogs, especially when children and other dogs are around. I would not have taken a newly adopted dog to a pet store; that is one thing I would have done differently in your scenario. I do appreciate how you have stayed within boundaries and have not tried to attack me for just posting potential flaws with Cesar's methods. I have not said anything bad about him as a person, just that his methods are flawed, which has been misconstrued by a Random Person.

      You are correct in that. I am only condeming him because he is the most popular trainer who practices these techniques. If anyone else practiced the techinques his/her name would in the title and throughout the hub instead or in addition.

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      also, i realize the show is edited, but his dogs dont show fear around him which you cant edit in or out, mistakes can be made, some of his mistakes are aired and he freely admits them, and i can't defend him for what we dont see off camera any more than you can condemn him it. i just think there would be an outcry from a much larger % of his clients

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      I realize you didn't refer to that incident as cruel, but one of the articles did, so i apologize for the minunderstanding. Plus i don't think that to have a submissive dog means a fearful dog. In fact the goal is just the opposite. what i see as cesars definition of calm submission is that a dog still has normal social behavior, but is respectful and not jumping on, nipping, biting, etc... he has said several times that dogs should never fear or cower away from a pack leader. If this happens then you have over/improperly corrected or corrected with the wrong energy. I'm not familiar with the shock collar incident, so I'll have to follow up on it, I think the choking incident is referring to the shiba inu dog that would not allow itself to be touched at all while inside the house. I think thats a tough one, because it is said, (not just by cesar) that dogs reaching that elevated state of fear or aggression will not take treats, or toys, so in that case, something has to be done so that the dog will not flip out on someone when they're trying to touch the dog. personally, i think that that situation looked worse than it was, i may catch heat, but thats what i believe, i've worked with bulldogs and pitbulls that will pretty much choke themselves at the end of a leash till their tongue is blue. In that shiba case, I believe the owners had tried positive reinforcement methods for about a year with no progress. the problem that you have, is that if that dog had bitten a kid, it would be put down, or if you had a big (100lb+) dog that completely flips out at the vets office, despite treats, or anything else, and he needs medical attention, he could hurt someone or himself or an owner may stop taking them to the vet. Years ago when i was very INexperienced with dogs, my wife and I adopted a bull terrier who was a 90lb bruiser, who was told to us was good with kids, and dogs and was raised with cats. I took him to the pet store with me to get some supplies, and a 5yr old girl patted him on the head and he was fine, later when we were waiting in line the same girl came back and he turned around wanted to make her disapear. luckily I'm a big guy in my own right and stopped the dog, but if my wife had been in my place, weighing not much more than 100lbs herself, we would have had a MESS, and boomer may not be here today. long story short we rehomed him, but we took the time to find someone with breed experience, and the resources to get him some help. after a year in doggy "boot camps" some using positive redirection, and others using methods similar to cesars. Boomer is now doing fine and makes quick friends with cats, kids and other dogs, all of which he had shown an EXTREME distaste for in my care and his new owners prior to boot camp. If i found myself in the situation today, i would have read the signs of boomer becoming agitated and given him a quick leash correction, i would also respectfully ask the girls parents to not have her pet the dog, and if she kind of snuck up us which is how it happened and he got that far, i would have calmly put him on the ground until he calmed down with the girl still near him. i dont want this question to come off as flippant so please don't take it that way, but have you had a situation come up like that, or if not, if it happened to you tommorow, what do you think you would do? PS i hope i'm staying in the realm of respectful debate because I agree with and enjoy a number of your other hubs! :)

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      What you see on TV isn't the entire truth. Remember that his show is edited greatly, and you don't see everything. Unless you spend days on his premises, you can't know the full truth.

      Yes, flooding in that case is not necessarily cruel, and I didn't say that it was. I just posted it as it's not the ideal training method to treat fear. Flooding does not always work, and in many cases causes the fear to worsen.

      Dogs do not necessarily need to be submissive. I do not want my dog scared of me, and I do not want my dog afraid. I want my dogs to respect me, which can be achieve in many other ways besides aversive training.

      What do you think about Cesar causing the one dog to nearly asphyxiated and continue to be rough with him? Or when he risked the safety of another human by using a shock collar and she was bit?

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      Jeremy 8 years ago

      I read some of the articles that you pointed out, and came across a few others, Some say that he never uses positive training, i've seen at least two episodes where a dog shut down when being walked on a leash and cesar used food as a motivator to get the dog out of his shell. He also encourages dogs to do activities (agility, retriveing etc..) that are reward based. As far as flooding Kane, (the great dane) calling cruelty on that is over the top, he put the dog on the floor that he was scared of and Kane dealt with it, he went from being terrified of the floor, to not being terrified of the floor. after following up, kane is very calm and easy going, and can go into that school, calm and confident, and befriend the kids and is no longer living with irrational fear. ... i don't see the problem. another one of the articles claims that he floods the dogs until they shut down, he says over and over again that he never wants to push a dog till it shuts down, he wants them to just be calm. it also said he constantly has them on a taught leash, this is also untrue, his main goal in every case is to get the dog in a calm and relaxed state. He advocates NOT having tension on the leash I've seen him walking GSD's and Pits with a 25 cent nylon leash held between his thumb and fore finger. another claim is that he only advocates walks and no other kind of mental challenges, this is also untrue. I've seen him take two dogs to a sheep herding school so that they could fulfill the desire that was bred into the dogs, and finds other jobs such as pulling wagons, carrying backpacks, to help working breeds feel usefull. one of the Anti cesar articles said that cesar using wolf pack logic is not aplicable to dogs, technically he may be right, as far as how dogs or wolves would act in the wild, but, dogs have been bred for centuries, to serve certain purposes for humans, working, herding, hunting, companion, they have been bred with not only the abilities to do these things but the desire or drive to do them as well, so maybe the context of pack leader as compared to wild wolf packs is a little off the mark, but the domestic dog should be submissive to serve the needs of human beings. i believe god put dogs on earth to help us, and to be our best friend, but i think its our responsibility to make the dog aware, calmly, with love in our hearts, but in no uncertain terms, that certain behaviors are unacceptable.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      The dog does need to know who's in control, which can be easily achieved by methods other than Cesar's. Would you agree or disagree? My dog's know that I'm in control, but they have never used these methods.

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      Camping Dan 8 years ago

      I have worked with and trained dogs of all types from Chihuahuas to sled dogs in Colorado and you are right about finding the training method that works for you. Of course they all boil down to one thing though and that is you becoming the alpha in the relationship.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Lanaki, thank you for your comment. I appreciate that you were able to see the poing of the article, which was just to point out the potential flaws with this training method. And, like you mentioned Vick's dogs were lovingly rehabed not aversively rehabed. Those dogs will have a long-term happy life in a home with a well experienced owner.

      DROJ, 7. Positive training is much easier than punishment and negative training. There are more regular people successful training their dog with positive training than negative. I’m not sure what you mean by the cookie comment; you don’t always have to use treat to positively train a dog, much less 24/7

      Stern voice is much different than holding your dog in the air by his collar till he can’t breath, or pinning him to the ground.

      The point of this is to share why I don’t like Cesar's tactics and to provide valid reasons as to why they're not the best method to train. Not to give counterparts. That’s just not the point of this hub. Normally, I would, but that’s just not what I’m trying to achieve here. I’m also not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m just stating my thought of how I disagree and why.  I did mention several times, he has good ideas, but I don’t like his training. His training is what I’m focusing on here.

      I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, and I’m not trying to win an argument. If you were to check out some of my hubs about APBTs and BSL and things along that nature, I DO talk about the good and bad concepts. Again, it’s just not what I’m trying to achieve here. I’m just giving the bad points for aversive training. That’s all I wanted to do. Cesar is just the most popular trainer associated with aversive and punishment-style training, which is why he is, in a way, the focus person here.

      I did not mean to upset Random by pointing out the flaws in her hero’s training tactics, and pointing out how there are many cases and instances where Cesar has been borderline abusive (hence all the links for Jeremy that apparently provoked Random’s personal attacks towards me). I did not mean to upset anyone or get on anyone’s bad side because I have a different opinion about Cesar’s TRAINING, not Cesar as a person. I just wanted to point out a few flaws in his training techniques.

      Not all articles need to have both sides of the story. This one was not meant to. Again, typically I do like to give both sides, especially in things that I’m passionate about, but it’s just not the intent with this article (although it is something I am interested in).

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      Lanaki 8 years ago

      It is nice to see an article that points out the faults in Milan's training methods. Having worked with dogs for years (I have a nationally certified Search and Rescue dog, who is also a rescue, as well as working with numerous German Shepherd Rescue groups) it is impossible for me to watch the "Dog Whisperer". By no means will any working dog ever be trained in that manner. It is always positive reinforcement for working dogs. They are rewarded for good behaviour and not physically abused for bad behaviour. You can not train a dog with negative feedback and expect positive results. It takes time and patience and a lot of love.

      Every time I meet a person and we discuss my dog they ask about "Dog Whisperer" and every time I have to tell them that in no way would I ever train a dog in that manner. Not my pets and not my K-9 partner.

      Just because his show is still on does not mean it is a good show or is the correct way to train a dog. It just shows that he gets the ratings so they keep him on. It has nothing to do with him being a good dog trainer.

      Also, someone mentioned working with rehabbing pit bulls. If you really want to see how that is done well you should watch "DogTown", on the National Geographic Channel, where some of Michael Vick's dogs (the worst cases) were taken and lovingly rehabbed. Now there is a great show on how to deal with abused and neglected dogs.

      Thank you for this article. I hope it raises more awareness in the damage that "negative" training can have on dogs.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Exactly, and just because his show hasn't shut down, it's still odd to wonder why the American Humane tried to shut it down. I don't understand why people don't see the potential concern. Just because it still is on the air, it doesn't mean that it's good

      I, too have strong feelings towards the care of animals and children. It really irks me when people don't see the harm they're doing- shortterm or longterm.

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      marisuewrites 8 years ago from USA

      You know, where there is smoke there is fire, at least the majority of the time. And, if a person doesn't find humane treatment within his strategy, that's reason enough to be suspicious and to check him out.

      I get the shivers over how people treat animals and kids. The older I get, the madder I get. There's no excuse for it. If they don't like or respect animals, leave them alone and go hit a tree. Well, maaaaybe not, I like trees too. =)))

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      marisue, I agree with everything you just said. I really have nothing to add to that. I truly applaud you. I agree that treatment of animals can closely relate to how we treat children. I actually saw where there were marital abuse charges, but I'm not sure the validity to that, nor did I really read the article, so I won't make any further comments.

      And, as you mentioned just because something isn't fully proven, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen or exist. I did see where the LA animal control doesn't think highly of Cesar and (I want to say I saw) had been called to the premises a few times (could be wrong on that). What I read said that they keep those reports tightly kept and not released anywhere unless you know someone.

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      marisuewrites 8 years ago from USA

      Dogs are not robots nor meant to be.  All training should allow for the animal's special personality to come through.  Dogs think.  I do not want a mechanical response from my pet.  He's allowed to let his wishes be known and his likes and dislikes.  He teaches me as well. 

      My mother's Black Lab Guide Dog was highly intelligent and skilled.  Excellent trainers allowed for the dog to "reason" to its ability, in that it would "intelligently disobey" the command from the blind person, if danger was sensed by the dog.  My mother was saved from many a dangerous situation by the UNCOWED approach, allegiance and independent thinking of her Guide Dog.

      I'm with you Whitney.  I cannot abide cruel treatment for automatic and menchanical response by animals to "humans."  Might as well have a robot.  Would be better in my book because I'd scream to high heaven over any mistreatment I witnessed.

      By the way, as a foster parent, I screamed to high heaven over the mechanical parenting and demands of abusive parents as well.  And, how we treat animals and kids is evolving, for the good of both.

      Just because something was not proven, doesn't mean the situation didn't exist...as any common sense person and police officer would tell you.  Many things are wrong, but don't make it to court.

      animal/people lover, sometimes in that order...am I.

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      Whitney 8 years ago from Georgia

      Random, I had to delete your first comment, as it was personally attacking me, and I won't deal with that (It is also against TOS). This comment was slightly better, but I'm sorry you are taking this hub so defensively because I do disagree with you. People have differing opinions, and I backed mine up with valid reasons as to why I don't agree with it. It's not like I said, "Cesar Millan sucks as a dog trainer," and left it like that.

      I have mentioned in the comments section here and within the hub, that the show DOES say that a professional should be used, but that does not stop anyone from trying the methods on their own, and it does not make the practices any better.

      His methods are inhumane, and do borderline abuse, as in the article where the dog partially asphyxiated. This is unsafe for the dog and for a dog owner who may attempt it at home alone without a professional behavoirist.