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Are Labor Unions Extinct, Many Think They Ought to Be

Updated on July 21, 2019
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ME has spent most of his retirement from service to the United States studying, thinking, and writing about the country he served.

Boeing 787-6 Dreamliner


Damn, I have to agree with the Conservatives Again ... Sort Of

I just finished an USA Today Today's debate: Union rights commentary (6/24/2011) regarding a looming battle between Boeing Corporation and its union workers who build their planes in the Washington. The short story is that Boeing and the union have been at odds for a very long time. The union has asserted its rights without fear of losing, and when Boeing has tried to stand its ground, it cost both Boeing and the union workers dearly; on one occasion Boeing lost permanent business to competitors as a result of a 58-day walkout in 2008. Now, I am not taking sides on these previous conflicts, I have no clue who has the moral or practical highground; I just know that the Boeing unioin in Seattle is one of the most aggressive unions around.

Boeing says it recently staked its future on building the 787 Dreamliner and asked the union for a 10-year no strike contract, which the union turned down. Boeing, in return, built and opened a second production line in the non-union South Carolina with the provision that Washington will build seven-Dreamliners per month and South Carolina three. The union cried foul and brought an action to the National Labor Relations Board who found in the union's favor, apparently because a Boeing exec made the statement that they opened the South Carolina plant because Boeing can't afford a strike every three years, the average up to that time. Further, it is illegal to close a union shop in one place only to open a non-union shop somewhere else (a law I support, btw). Boeing, of course, is challenging the ruling since they didn't actually close the Washington production line and, in fact, this line does the majority of the work.

Let me start out by saying, as you would expect, if you have been reading my hubs, I am, theoretically at least, pro-union. I assert that unions were needed in the past because of the undeniable and overwhelming mountains of evidence showing the tyrannical and despotic nature of virtually all big companies and corporations in the past toward their employees. To me, at least, the need for a union then was as self-evident as are the rights of Man as stated in the Declaration of Independence. I do understand there are some on the far Right who still contest that view, but fortunately, they are extremely few in number. I am also asserting, however, that unions are still needed today for largly for the same reason; I will, as is my nature, rehearse and defend this shortly.

First though, let me introduce my friend Mr. B------; he doesn't have a hub, so I can't use his pseudonym; he is anti-union, or should I say he thinks unions have served their purpose, have grown too powerful, and are now an impediment. Most of the protections workers need are now written into state and federal law. Mr. B is also a Conservative, but more of the Conservative with a Conscience type, of the Barry Goldwater or Thomas Jefferson mold and not the George Mason or Newt Gingrich kind I most often write about. He is definitely not a RWA or Right-wing Authoritarian Follower for Mr. B thinks, he questions, he listens, he reasons, he is willing, when presented enough evidence, to modify his position somewhat to account for the new facts but still stay within his conservative views; in short, Mr. B is no longer a Conservative by today's standards, only by the standards of 1980.

I bring Mr. B into this discussion because he makes for an interesting point-counterpoint; many of his views are hard to argue with and stay consistent with my theoretical support for unions. The main reason I have problems is that unions, like their corporate counterparts, have grown up to be pretty bad boys (there aren't too many girl unions that I can recall so I will keep my gender bias on this one). In fact, some of them have gotten to be down right nasty and probably worse than the corporations they were pitted against; the Teamsters and Longshoreman to name a couple with possible past and/or present mob connections. Why is that? For the same reason large corporations and financial institutions got and get out of hand, lack of appropriate governmental oversight and regulation.

Back in the day, and any day there is a Conservative administration, the watchword is remove all governmental oversight and control over everything, especially anything to do with business. At the same time, Conservatives did what they could to deny unions a legal right to exist by defeating or reversing any law that was favorable to unions; fortunately for unions, Conservatives rarely controlled both Houses of Congress at the same time for very long. Consequently, unions grew up as most organizations do where lots of money and power is involved and where there are no controls, no checks and balances in place to keep things honest, it grows up into a corrupt organization; that is simply axiomatic, a foregone conclusion.

Why am I agreeing with Conservatives, at least in the example presented above? Because, once again, I think the union, and the NLRB, is overstepping its bounds, given the facts presented in the article. I have no idea why there was a strike every three years, maybe Boeing deserved it by being such hard-headed so-and-sos; maybe the union was being totally unreasonable; one would have to research it. There was one scary fact, however, that both sides should be humbled by, Virgin Atlantic Airlines founder Sir Richard Branson stated that "they we're not going to come back here [Washington] again with more orders." Virgin Atlantic is a growing company with lots of money and both the union and the company had better sit up and take notice!

Regardless of the reason, the fact is, there is a strike, on average, every three years and the union must understand that no company can survive faced with that in its future. Further, if the reason for the strikes were ridiculous demands by the company, then the company must realize they deserve to by put out of business by their workers because no worker should be a slave to their company like was the case prior to the advent of unions. The question is, what was Boeing giving up, if anything, for that 10-year no strike clause? What other parts to the contract were on the table?

That aside, I don't see the issue with Boeing going to South Carolina and starting up a production line so long as Washington is still getting the majority of the work and will continue to do so. Boeing has a right to survive just as the Washington union workers have a right to continue to work.


I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BAFFLED by how Americans view labor and business. Is it just me or do people actually view labor unions as the villain and the corporations as the victim, as opposed to fellow villains? American's remember, and fold into their opinion of labor unions, the fact that the mob infiltrated many of them while, at the same time, forgetting that is was unions who brought the workers out of company stores and sweatshops. Americans forget that it was corporations who polluted Lake Erie to such an extent it became a dead lake and it was corporations who deforested America until the government, against the Conservative's wishes, stepped in and stopped them before America looked like Greece (yes, Greece once had forests). Americans only see the good corporations bring and not the bad, while they see only the bad about unions and not the good; it just baffles me.

In any case, that is the way I think it is and as a result, I think unions are becoming extinct. They have lost much of their membership and much of their political power over the last three decades. The Conservatives have, since 1980, a full frontal assault going on trying to wipe unions off the face of Americas map, and with them, all of the protections they bring American workers from the provably corrupt corporations.

As unions became more corrupt and arrogant, they lost power and popular support. At the same time, as unions lost influence throughout America, companies began taking more and more advantage of labor. The only times this wasn't true was when the economy was booming and there was a labor shortage. We have now, in 2012, come to the point where labor, as a group, all over America is virtually powerless to the whims of those who employ them ... unless they are one of the few workers who belong to a labor union. There is mountains of anecdotal evidence coming out of the recent recession to show this and probably many studies as well, which, when time permits, I will research, although I suspect others have.

This is what unions bring to the table, preventing employers from abusing employees as history proves they ultimately will. Unions, like corporations, do need to be regulated to keep them in ethical line, but they do need to exist to provide cover and a lobby for workers. On the other hand, never fear, say the Conservatives, there are plenty of federal and state laws protecting workers now a days, you simply don't need unions. Well, I have news for you, those laws were written by Progressives, the arch-enemy of Conservatives, and they can and are being unwritten by Conservatives. Further, with no unions, or at least emasculated ones, there is no lobby strong enough to protect those laws. As a consequence, I must wonder how long it will take Conservatives to bring us back to 1850?

What It Has Been Like and Could Be Like

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Teacher's Tenure Takes It on the Chin

6/14/2014: A FEW DAYS AGO, IN A CALIFORNIA COURT, of all places, the judge held that the California law protecting tenured teachers was unconstitutional because it unfairly discriminated against disadvantaged students by making it all but impossible to fire low quality teachers. This was an extremely serious blow to teacher's unions. Specifically, California Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu struck down California’s teacher employment laws because he determined that they violate students’ civil rights.

At issue was the teachers' tenure rules were so restrictive that the plaintiffs, several low income students, were able to demonstrate to the judge that there was a nexus between those rules and the lack of quality of their education so strong that the rules violated the students' civil rights. The judge isn't opposed to tenure, but he is opposed to it when the rules are such that bad teachers must be retained which money and politics then put them in the most disadvantaged schools.

This issue tends to bring the far-Left and far-Right together; the former because of the negative impact on the children and the latter because it ties the hand of the employer to do whatever they want with their employees. Personally, I am just as split; I own my own small-mid sized business but am pro-union, yet I agree with the judge's ruling for the far-Left's reasoning. My business is non-union and frankly I want to keep it that way ... only because I am in America. If I was constituted in Europe or Japan, it would be a different story because the employer-employee mindset is not confrontational as it has always been in America; instead it is more cooperative (except for France, maybe); and that is the problem I have with American unions, they have become as confrontational, if not more so in a few cases, as corporate America has always been.

And really, who can blame them? From the outset, it has been a rough row to hoe with employers as well as the state and federal governments and, for a much longer time, the Supreme Court lined up against them; where the most effective tool for strike-breaking were hired mercenaries like the Pinkerton Detective Agency and then state and federal troops if that didn't work. It was only in the mid-twentieth century did labor finally get a break and get both government and the courts on their side ... and then they blew it by becoming as bad as their corporate opponents. That ended in the late 70s and 1980s when government and the Supreme Court became anti-union again.

I have never understood the irony of that exists between the actions of a Federal government who exists solely "of, by, and for" the People but acts only "of, by, and for" Corporations and against the People (i.e., Labor).

Circling back, however, to teachers' tenure, the various teachers' unions are once again missing the point in their rebuttal to the decision. Instead of taking the more rational approach of fixing the problem with the children in mind, for there is an absolute need for a tenure system, they would rather take an all or nothing approach with only their power in mind. Making statements like,

“Let’s be clear: This lawsuit was never about helping students, but is yet another attempt by millionaires and corporate special interests to undermine the teaching profession and push their own ideological agenda on public schools and students while working to privatize public education,” - Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association


“It’s surprising that the court, which used its bully pulpit when it came to criticizing teacher protections, did not spend one second discussing funding inequities, school segregation, high poverty or any other out-of-school or in-school factors that are proven to affect student achievement and our children,” said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, when complaining the ruling ignored other factors affection poor achievement (a standard misdirection ploy)

Like unions, I am a fan of tenure as well, when properly constructed. The tenure system was built to prevent arbitrary abuse by employers which was rampant in the educational system prior to its advent. Not only was it simple employer avarice, but now politics played a part since what tales place within the school system is subject to the political whims at the local and state levels. This is the same reason the federal laws were put in place, to protect federal workers from attacks by bosses from the other party that might get into power. But, like the federal system, the teachers tenure rules, at least in some cases, went overboard and started doing more harm to the students than they were good to the teachers.

Unfortunately, Americans, and maybe the rest of the world, like things clearly one way or another, we seem to hate moderation, as can be seen by the current make up of Congress. The same seems to be true with the subject of tenure. One side seems to want no tenure at all and the other wants iron-clad tenure; of course any right thinking person knows that both are bad. Instead, you need enough tenure to protect teachers from the whims of employers and politics but not enough where poor teachers are kept on the roles. You also need administrative rules within the school system which insures that each school within a school district and within a state have roughly the same proportion of excellent, average, and below average teachers across all disciplines.

© 2012 Scott Belford


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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image


      15 months ago

      Public Unions shouldn't be allowed to give better benefits to public servants that private corporations can afford to give their employees and still stay in business.

      The creation of unions came to protect the workers against the employers. Why is their a need protect them against the government when they are the employer?

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      Scott Belford 

      7 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you very much for your insights and thoughts, Beechnut. There actually are avenues employees use today to argue their dismissal, although in those cases it is often an abuse of the system, and that is the EEOC and DOL.

      To date, three employees have gone that route, the first one three times. First he filed a complaint with the Wage and Hour Division of DOL, following that up with a complaint with EEOC. In the end, we conceded part of the FMLA regarding his exempt status for part of the time he worked for us because, as we found out, he didn't qualify for that status where no overtime is paid. In return for what was actually due him, he dropped the rest of the FMLA complaint as well as the EEOC. A few months later we received notice of a complaint filed with the Veterans division of DOL where he complained he was fired due to discrimination because he was a veteran. Problem was, all but one of our male employees are veterans; he lost.

      We have one employee filing an EEOC complaint because she "had to quit" because of discrimination. The previous one I fought on my own. This one I am using a lawyer which has cost me $3 grand so far. We are about as an employee-friendly company as you will find out there. What this lady and two others are looking for are arbitration settlements. The first two we settled, one without a lawyer, because we had no insurance to cover this, otherwise we would have said no even though the deductable is $10K. The current one we declined to arbitrate and will let the EEOC decide.

      My point is that while business often does abuse its employees when they can get away with it, so will employees and unions. I agree with the idea of the laws you mention, in fact, that is one of the arguments anti-union forces use today, saying employees have plenty of laws protecting them; it is a false one, of course. What laws are there are needed, but can and are abused by employees for which employers need protection. The same would be true of any new laws, which, in my opinion are needed, created to protect employee rights.

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      7 years ago

      This is indeed a very challenging time for many in our country, as it is all about cash flow for many of us. By liberal estimates no more than 12 percent of private sector workers today are unionized. And in some ways they are still needed, not because we have returned to anything like the sweatshop mentality of old, but workers' right have steadily eroded over the past three decades as unions lost clout. For those of you who aren't aware, 49 out of 50 states(Montana being the only exception) are considered at-will, meaning that without union or some other form of protection, one can be fired on a whim and is powerless to do anything about it legally. So what I believe is needed are laws by which one who feels he/she has been fired from the job unfairly can obtain some recourse through independent arbtration. Then, if unions do ride off into the sunset, they may not be missed so much.

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      Scott Belford 

      8 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you Chris, I appreciate that ver much. I think the fundamental problem, which ultimately makes it intractable, is the extreme competative nature of Americans. I think American culture requires us to compete at virtually everything, more than any other culture currently in existance. As a consequence the win-win paradigm has hard time gaining traction in this country; and that is sad.

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      Chris Merritt 

      8 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi My Esoteric,

      Though I have witnessed first hand, the destruction a greedy union can do to a city, I completely understand there has to be some sort of organized effort by the employees to keep Corporations from taking advantage of them all for profits sake.

      I think this is an excellent hub and you do a magnificant job of explaining your view. I find that I "sort of" line up with your train of thought. I think I would very much like your friend Mr. B.

      Without a doubt there has GOT to be some common ground that must be found so we Americans can once again return to a thriving and prosporing nation.

      I salute you on this one,


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      Scott Belford 

      8 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks HS. I imagine that the old saw "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", is well examplified in government, corporations, and unions in our history. In our kind of government, that is best seen when one party or the other (or both) let the extreme wing take over their leadership and then win control of government; only when moderates have the day do you see rationality return. (This isn't saying you don't need the extremes, you do for they drive innovation, whether for good or bad.) In corporations and unions, it is a given because there are no built-in checks and balances and the "profit" motive, be it sales or wages, has no morality or even the larger category of ethics, and therefore by its very nature is corrupting; something Conservatives like Romney just don't "understand", lol.

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      Howard Schneider 

      8 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Excellent analysis regarding the current state of unions. They are much weaker now because of the past success in securing workers' rights. You are also correct that without the threat of unionization, companies would take labor law and wages back to the bad old days. Now Governors like Scott Walker want to do it. We need unions but they must learn to be less stubborn. Great Hub, My Esoteric.

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      Scott Belford 

      8 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Appreciate the mark up Nan, and I do agree with your comment on pricing oneself out of the market, it is something labor unions need to keep in mind; it isn't only corporations who can exhibit greed and reap the downside from it.

      As to the "shareholders", and I am in several companies although I prefer options now ... they are a myth when you take a practical view of it. It is the top exectutives and the few "shareholders" who actually control the votes that care; the rest of us are just along for the ride. And, if the last 10 years didn't teach us anything, it is the corrupting power of corporate greed.

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      Nan Mynatt 

      8 years ago

      Very Good summary about labor and the giant companies. Everybody should remember that you can't price yourself out of the market place. That is the reason that the big companies have gone to other countries for cheap labor. The shareholders want all of the profit that they can get on their investments. I marked you up!


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