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Overage, Overqualified and Unemployed?

Updated on March 2, 2013

I find myself in the ridiculous place of having too much knowledge and experience for some jobs in the workplace. Not only that but I'm apparently "TOO OLD"... employers aren't saying it but after a frustrated work search I have come to the conclusion that being overage and overqualified are definitely NOT working in my favor here. After 2 years of applying for various positions, going to various interviews I have decided that IT'S TIME TO FIGHT BACK!

What was once considered "wisdom and knowledge" can now be a liability in the workforce as competition become fierce and jobs are few. Although I don't consider myself over the hill and consider my experience as a positive, I've just go this itchy little feeling that my age and skill set are actually hurting me more than helping me. After a long and stressful night wrestling with my latest "thank-you but we feel you are not the right fit for the position" letdown...I have decided to put the ball back in my court, and yours, by offering up some advice for us "elderly" job seekers.

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Tips for older job hunters

After owing my own business for over 20 years, I have developed a keen sense of confidence. A confidence that I am afraid may be intimidating some of my interviewers, often 20 something hipsters who look like they just graduated from college. The first few times that I was interviewed by these younger people, I felt a profound sense of weirdness. After all, the tables had been turned. Years earlier it was me interviewing them for positions within our company (how's that for a role reversal, huh?)

First bit of advice for you if you are like me and preparing to interview

  1. Prepare yourself when you interview that the person interviewing you may resemble a younger version of your son or daughter (even quite possibly your grandchildren) It's becoming obvious that many younger people are holding the reins in management. If this happens to you, don't be surprised or put off...it's just the way that it is. Be pleasant and kind and don't come off as "all knowing". This young person might hold the key to you being hired or not. Be cool and collected but don't come off as condescending.
  2. Do not date yourself on your resume. Be careful what dates you put down for school and jobs. Dates on your resume may reflect your age and possibly be a strike against you (of course interviewers won't tell you this but that's the sad fact) Get yourself that interview by getting your foot in the door, then let your experience speak for itself. Employees are not supposed to discriminate based on age (but come on now, we know they sometimes do)
  3. Dress professional and hip for your interview. On the last big job interview I went on, I wore a trendy hip suit that made me look younger than I am (at least that's the feedback I got from my friends and family)
  4. You might even want to break out the hair die to give you a younger look (yeah I know you hate having to resort to these tactics - but looking a little younger certainly doesn't hurt your chances) It will give you a little lift and if you are really that married to your grey hair well then hey... stick with it.
  5. Think twice about putting down the fact that you owned a small business (if you did) I've been told by some people that owning a business may put you on the undesirable list. Prospective employers may feel that you have worked "independently for too long" and "may have trouble taking direction" (that's my take on it, anyway) I now put on my resume that I was the "manager" of our small business.
  6. I have found that many jobs that I would have been a good fit for usually ask for some technical software experience that I do not have. If you are well qualified and find that not knowing certain programs are holding you back from that dream job, it would probably be a good idea to go back to school and take some classes in things that those employers are looking for (a good example would be knowing Microsoft Word, I have even seen some driving jobs that require the driver to know these basic office programs)

My final thoughts as an "older" job seeker

And BTW, I think I may have blown my last job interview by nodding coolly when being asked questions at my interview (the questions were easy for me, and in retrospect the little nod I made may have been taken the wrong way - I was nodding good, I have a "great" answer but now I realize I should have kept that little nod to myself)

It's good to come across confident but not overly confident. I now wait for the interviewers to ask me the next question without offering too much information (It's a fine line coming off as prepared and confident as opposed to cocky and over-sure of ones self)

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As an older worker, do you feel you have been discriminated against when it comes to getting a job?

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @homesteadbound) Glad you found something and awesome that's it something you like. I'm just trying to keep our heads above water. Hubby just went back to work last week after being laid off since summer. And I'll be working full-time doing Art Camp with the kids so that's good. Still waiting to hear if I passed a civil service exam for a Gov. job - hoping that one plans out. Good pay and benefits...

    @simondixie) Just keep throwing that "fishing line" out there simon, that's what I do and sometimes I catch a fish. And sometimes I catch a few. That's the analogy I use for my own life. Just keep throwing out that line....

    @xstatic) That's great to hear x. Like I said above to simon...just keep throwing out that line....could hook a nice big fish....

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    Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

    I signed on as a writing tutor with an online national service about three months ago, not expecting anything to come of it really. But, a grad student raised in Spain and studying for a master's degree hired me and so far we have spent about five hours working on writing problems. She posted excellent feedback on the site as well.

    I was also lucky enough to be able to audition for and film a commercial for a local law firm last week. That chance came through an agent I signed up with about three years ago. It is not a living, but fun and paid well for the time spent.

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    The "have your own buiness" idea is working for me---tutoring----I love what I'm doing, but the "own business" thing is not a sure thing---of course, nothing is really a sure thing. But tutoring is a great business at the end of the school year and not so busy at other times. Any ideas, anyone??

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    Cindy Murdoch 4 years ago from Texas

    Dorsi - I am right there with you, on all points, even having just shut down a busy I had for 11 years. It is tough out there. But I recently got a job that I really love and I feel may have potential. Good luck to you. And yes, I think it helps to learn new things. I know I certainly have been doing that ... and faking pretty good many times as I go along until I have that skill down a whole lot better.

    And now, with my knee having given out, and no insurance, not only do I have all the things you have already addressed, now I am on crutches too. Makes it really hard to think about looking any more. But the bills keep coming.

    Yeah, I worry about the future. With no savings, and social security not looking so secure, not sure I can ever retire. I am so thankful for the job I currently have. It is my own business as a consultant...

    Good luck to you Dorsi!

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @suzzycue) So true - at least as long as we have social security to look forward to it's not such a bleak picture - the questions now are like you said though: What do we do in those in between years? And what's going to happen if social security gets taken away?

    @barbat) I'm starting to think this is way for me to go again...except this time I won't make the same mistakes I made the last time!

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    B A Tobin 4 years ago from Connnecticut

    I liked the "have your own business" idea. :)

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    Susan Britton 4 years ago from Ontario, Canada

    I agree with what you have said here Dorsi. The better jobs are not out there anymore in my location and people don't hire over qualified people to work in a kitchen/restaurant. I don't know how one gets to retirement age from 55 to 65 with no work. So even packing groceries is the option I guess for now.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @Cheeky Girl) I love your attitude lol. Thanks!

    @MaryGraux) Good question. I would venture to say this type of discrimination would begin in the 40's and definitely by the 50's. Just IMHO though....

    @janetkeen) Sorry janet you had to go through this too....best of luck on your job search too.

    @simondixie) Best of luck with that simon and I hope doing that helps your job search.

    and wow...I finally got caught up with everyone's comments. Thanks everyone for the very interesting things shared here.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @simondixie) Yes it is simon.

    @Ruchi Urvashi) Agreed Ruchi. Thanks for coming by.

    @alphagirl) Congats alpha on finding your niche. I think that's another hub I should do. We all have different talents and it's finding ways to make those work for us.

    @slappywalker) Exactly slappy, exactly!!

    @Jewel01) Oh thank you Jewel and I'm so glad you have that support - that is so important. Finding someone in your corner to help encourage you!!

    @Shennema22) Thanks Shenne and yes, that whole quota thing irritates me. That can be discrimination too!!

    @jocent) Sorry you are experiencing this also and yes I agree with your comment too.

    @SidKemp) Thank you Sid!

    @simondixie) That's great to hear simon. Let me know if you get the job and best of luck!!

    @Jewel01) Agree Jewel!!

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    I am turning in applications for several positions and I am not putting any of my bachelor's degree information----it's not relevant, but my master's degree and doctorate are relevant. I hope I can get by with leaving this information off.

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    janetkeen 4 years ago

    What I really find distsasteful is when I am being talked at by some young super fast , so called" on to it" young person who exudes boundless confidence and who looks at me like Im a dinosaur at 51. They are so impatient you get the feeling they want you to hurry up and talk quickly like them. I just can't stand their arrogance. I work for myself teaching people how to be creative and I am used to being respected and liked.

    I hope to never be interviewed for a job by these people. I am passed working for others unless they are respectful.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @artist101) Yes, it can become discouraging. Please let me know how your job search goes.

    @Jewel01) hmmm.... you may be onto something there...

    @simondixie) That's interesting and yes I think there are many positive things we can learn from other cultures - especially about reverence for older people!

    @azskyman) good analysis...

    @ShaydeShaffer) You sound like a wonderfully supportive daughter and I just realized how this hub can help change younger peoples thoughts. If there are more people like you that "understand" our dilemma we will have more jobs offered to us as older workers...thanks for reading and the comment.

    @artist101) agreed!

    @Nagatang) Yes and it would make sense for a PA to have up-to-date skills, and experience.

    @moronkee) Sounds like they are openly asking for a lawsuit by not hiring you because of your age (and "telling" you that!) - in the US it's illegal to do but we know they do it anyway! They just don't say it..usually anyway..

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @hunthedeals) agreed Hunt. We do need to take into account a lousy economy - and lower wages are being paid pretty much overall (because companies know that someone will take the job)

    @RWC149) aww thanks RWC!

    @keirnanholland) That is inspirational - thanks for sharing!

    @My Moments) It's surprising how many people have mentioned that nod! Best of luck with your profit ideas!

    @Sunshyne1975) Thanks Sun and best of luck to getting your business up to where it needs to be. It's worth trying to invigorate it at least before you make a decision you might not be able to reverse....

    @adjoycepoet) Thanks and sadly it does seem that the younger workers tend to have the upper hand now when it comes to hiring.

    @adjoycepoet) Thanks and best of luck to you in your search. I'm sure you will find something with your positive outlook.

    @simondixie) Sorry to hear that simon. Best of luck to you in your job hunt too.

    @NicoleMessenger) Thanks Nicole. I really appreciate your encouragement!

    @tommccollum) Thank you Tom and YW!

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    janetkeen 4 years ago

    I agree with all you have said. i was sort of interviews by a couple of much younger peopel for an art teaching job and they looked at me as if I didn't count because i was older.

    I was aghast at their cockiness and presumptuousness. Definitley not good PR for the organisation. I agree that some younger people who are interviewing you can feel intimidated.

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    MaryGraux 4 years ago

    A very interesting hub however I would be so excited if I would know what age employers think is old. Sometimes I think most employers assume that the more experience you have in the job market the more your starting pay will be high while a younger employee will get into the market with a normal starting pay. I could be wrong but anyway I voted your hub up!!

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    Cassandra Mantis 4 years ago from UK and Nerujenia

    Life can be a beach! Dorsi you have great writing talent and you are one of the best hubbers here, so don't worry what they think of you. If they worry too much about things like age, then they are being far too superficial, and not looking at skills and work experience. these qualities count for a lot. Graduates are leaving college without any clue about the real world or how stuff works , except what they read in a manual.

    Don't worry if they feel intimidated by your experience. I've intimidated interviewers with my cheeky sense of humor and I'm in my 20's. Let them eat cake! LOL!

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @ketage) Yes manager seems to be the way to go on a resume. I still consider having our small business open for 14 years as successful even though we eventually closed (14 years is along time, amen!) Anyone in a small business knows how hard small business workers work....but I guess some companies just don't appreciate that fact...

    @Odiegirl: Yes, if you can slog through it it's definitely worth keeping - I do miss our business (sometimes lol)

    @barbat79) I like your attitude barb! Thanks for reading.

    @Paul Bisquera) Amen to that Paul!

    @Jewel) I am blessed to know this hub has brought you comfort!! Thank-you!

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    @simondixie: sounds like a great policy for Florida. When people stop looking at age, I think that business' would find employees who are well rounded.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @kulewriter) Thanks kule for reading and the encouraging story. I think I may be following your path...

    @dearmommy) Thank you dear. What encouraging words!!

    @Rose Anne Karesh) Thank you so much Rose and thanks for reading.

    @Dutchmaster10) Thanks for sharing Dutch and I hope this hub helps him.

    @Austinstar) All great points Austin and I agree 100%

    @Jewel01) This is true Jewel...money always plays a big part in decision making but like many have pointed out - it's wise to higher an older person. Generally more stable and less likely to leave if they are happy...

    @ barbat79) Amen to that! I want to go forward, not backwards!

    @KawikaChann) Good luck Kawi with your interview and good point!

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    Wonderful news!! I just completed a job application for a position at the University of Florida and the application not only did not require my DOB, but the directions indicated that the applicant could NOT put the DOB until he/she was hired. In addition, the application directions instructed the applicant to give a minimum of the most recent ten years of employment. I will put more than the last ten years, but I do not have to put my B.A. degree, high school graduation, or other age-identifying information. What a relief! I have always heard that Florida's laws and policies tend to show concern for the needs of the 50 + population but this is far more than I expected. Why couldn't other states follow suit?

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    Sid Kemp 4 years ago from Boca Raton, Florida (near Miami and Palm Beach)

    Thanks, this is useful advice. I am still running my own company, but I face these issues in dealing with potential clients. And, as a career counselor, I have a client of my own facing these issues. I'm sharing this hub and pointing him towards it!

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    jocent 4 years ago

    I get the same feeling and treatment. I am an overseas worker and now I am in the situation you are describing. It is very sad that you know you still is capable and willing to do work as hard as anyone can but employers seems to look at the age rather than the capability of the employee. Experience nowadays are not counted over the agility as the balance in output is considered. I just think that new generations need the work much more than I do. Thank you for the share, excellent hub!

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    Sheryl 4 years ago from NWI

    Your article is right on, I feel the same way. I am over qualified and older than the average person. I even felt compelled to lose weight to be accepted but the problem lies in insurance policies because employers have to pay out more if you are older. I also feel threatened when I am asked to fill out the survey on my race, ethnicity and sex because I realize they have to meet a quota but unfair to the majority. I often want to answer other then type in human. Your article was so good, thanks for the read.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @kellysgirl) lol thanks Kelly but these other 3 jobs are actually my other "talent" - I am an artist and I teach art to children and families. I would gladly do this all day for the rest of my life but sadly there is not alot of work out there for art teachers. I am considering opening up another business though - my own art studio. Thanks for coming by kelly and keep on pushing forward my friend - we can only do our best.

    @keirnanholland) Amen kiernan, there is money in video but like you said you need to have the right set-up (which I don't either)

    @herbacoachtommy) Sorry to hear that. Best of luck with your job search and I hope that some of these tips helped.

    @sarahshuihan) Exactly Sarah, at least he is aware of this and can work on that perception. Knowing something is the first step towards understanding and changing it...

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    @Dorsi: currently, I am unemployed, but holding my own, with the support of a wonderful man. I have applied for secretarial jobs, and a few waitress jobs, but nothing has really panned out. I refuse to get upset over this issue, knowing that something better, is out there.

    As far as what we (old people) should be called, I prefer to be called by my name. I really don't mind being older. In fact, it was something I have looked forward to. Unfortunately, the economy is where it is at, and I am sure that it has multiplied this issue more than what would be considered, "normal." It was most difficult when I internalized the situation.

    I want to tell you, this hub has been very helpful. Comments and suggestions have helped me to approach interviews in a different light, and I have even considered omitting my Bachelors degree from my resume. I really want to thank you for taking the time to post this hub.

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    Kieron Walker 4 years ago from Saratoga Springs, NY

    Enjoyed the hub. You made some great points.

    I'm 36, so honestly I have no clue where that falls in the age/experience spectrum. I have a feeling a lot of that depends on what company you are applying to and what types of people their workforce is already made up of.

    The more I read the comments, the more I am convinced that the only true road to happiness is to figure out my niche and work for myself one day.

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    alphagirl 4 years ago from USA

    I got laid -off twice in a year and fell into a salon doing hair again. I think what has helped is the fact that I dress younger. I am young at heart. I don't look 50+. I think when you interview for a position that is primarily younger, you have to dress the part because kids today do not want to work with us older folk. Companies do not want to pay a seasoned worker for their knowledge because it means a paying a higher salary. I will say my clients who are mostly professional have an understanding that we all must work jobs to pay the bills. I am probably an anomaly. A decreed stylist. This for me works, I have flexibility and I get tipped well. I have cut some really experienced professionals bartending to make ends meet.

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    Ruchi Urvashi 4 years ago from Singapore

    Great tips. I agree that if an individual has work experience of working independently for few years, it is hard for him or her to work under a boss. The freedom is less in terms of time, idea or even space. Old workers might enjoy working independently in their own business instead of being an employee, that is family friendly too.

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    And age discrimination is extremely difficult to prove!

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    Moronke Oluwatoyin 4 years ago

    This hub is speaking to my situation.When I graduated from University,the employers wanted employees with experience.This made it difficult for me to get employed.As time progressed,I acquired experience.Good.Now I'm goiing to 50 they are complaining.''Madam you have got the experience but your age is the constraint.''Funny!

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @Silkekarina) Thank you Silk for the encouragement - hear that writers???

    @shai77 ) Thank you shai.

    @tirelesstraveler) "years job-hunting?" YIKES!!!

    @day4all) Good for you day. I wish I could afford to do that but can't for another 3 years....

    @dreamseeker2) Thanks dream. Best of luck to all of us. Looks we really need it.

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    Nagatang 4 years ago from Miri, Sarawak, Malaysia

    Yes I would not hired a multiple degree holder to be my PA whereby someone is energetic and knowledgeable enough to complete that Powerpoint presentation in time for my tomorrow presentation and could type my servicing letter by telling her to whom and for what.

    Overaged and Overqualify?....not necessarily ......I would like to have my business partner to be someone old enough, and with that multiple degree (knowledge at his/her fingertip) and that 20 years of working experience would be very handy.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @Jewel01) Jewel wow you have added a whole nother dimension to this problem. What a significant story with lots to think about...what are THEY going to really do with all these older people in the workforce? Are you working now or what do you plan to do? I think we need a whole other hub for brainstorming about this....

    @keirnanholland) Thank you for the awesome commentary and thoughts. You have many many valid points. Is our government and businesses listening to all this??

    @jayshreepattanaik) Thank you Jay for the encouragement.

    @Mediagyrl) So agreed. We are definitely in a transitional state with all these older workers....

    @Billrrrr) Thanks Bill. I'll be over to check out your hubs. This sounds promising. May not be for all of us but I am thankful you have shared this because it may help some/many of us.

    @ joe-christmas) Thank you joe for the encouragement. Blessings.

    @Jewel01) jewel I agree. What positive name could we give that "o-a" term? Let's brainstorm.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @keirnanholland) Good points. Maybe we should all apply for Google and FaceBook and see if any of us get a call back? I've applied for both them a couple times and no response. That would be interesting to find out how many people over 40 work there. hmmm...AND - I would rather hire horse riding sword swing samurai's keir!

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    Sherrie Westerfield, Cpht 4 years ago from Hobart,In

    I totally agree with ShaydeShaffer it is ridiculous for employers to group every one the same. Most applications ask what your salary requirements are in the initial faze of applying. Isn't that what the question is for? I never thought of that one, maybe I should tone it down a bit.Crazy.

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    Shayde Shaffer 4 years ago from Morrisville, VT

    As a 19 year old, I have clearly not experienced any of these set-backs that you are talking about; my mother, however, has experienced the setback of being overqualified. She used to be the GM of a Courtyard by Marriott and a Towne Place Inn and Suites by Marriott, upon losing this job due to back issues, it took her years to find a job that would accept her including her qualifications. When this took place, I didn't understand why this was such a big deal, I thought employers would want someone with that amount of knowledge - turns out, they do not because they think that the employee would ask for a higher salary due to their amount of knowledge. I think that this is an ignorant blanket statement, while some employees would ask for a higher salary, that does not mean that others will ask the same. I am so sorry that you are experiencing this, I hope things work out for you!

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    Steve 4 years ago from Arizona

    No easy task. It is deeply entrenched in our culture that while we may have much wisdom, we cannot keep up with technology and stay relevant. Keeping up often umps wisdom.

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    I think the bottom line is that our culture values youth more than experience....not so in many other cultures....in the Orient, for example, maturity is of great value and older people wear special colors after they reach a certain age. The age thing is a milestone for them. Maybe our generation needs to be the one that can change some of that sort of thinking in our culture...

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    We become a threat to there way. If you are willing to show up everyday, why can't they?

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    Sherrie Westerfield, Cpht 4 years ago from Hobart,In

    Wow, what a great hub. i am also having problems in the employment field. I never thought about the "manager" part, nor did I think that my knowledge should be played down. I'm going to try some of your advice, and see where I land. What I don't understand is why is younger better? I have applied to numerous jobs, of which I already have experience in, and have been turned down flat, very discouraging. I'm not a giddy little girl anymore, and nor can I pretend to be one, it makes no sense, you would think that dependable, stable, and not calling off cause you have a date, would be a good thing, go figure.

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    Tom McCollum 4 years ago from Dallas, Texas

    Well said! Insightful and helpful to many I'm sure. Thanks for sharing.

    Tom

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    NicoleAnn 4 years ago from Illinois

    Great Advice! Your confidence will eventually land employable. You've managed to remain positive while overcoming obstacles along the way. Hang in there! Good Luck.

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    Nancy McLendon Scott 4 years ago from Georgia

    Wow! You really hit it exactly right. I have experienced the same feelings, the same difficulties with having a lot of experience, and yes, age discrimination is real---at least in the U. S. It shouldn't be but it is. I have recently retired and with a Ph.D. thought I'd have no trouble getting a job but I find myself playing down my education and my experience....makes me want to live somewhere else!

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    Steve 4 years ago from Arizona

    Very real observations. I am less than six weeks away from planned retirement, need more than just a few bucks a week to supplement my social security, and have found dozens and dozens of positions that otherwise might be a fit. But no takers yet. Still, I'm intent to be patient and find something that values my ability and willingness to contribute, to show up on time, and to mentor by my actions, not solely by what I might say. Thanks for posting.

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    Adriene (A. D.) Joyce 4 years ago from New Jersey

    These are great tips. I'm unemployed and a bit on the older side, so I can relate. I think it's a shame that companies are passing up people with good experience but I guess I now understand the consequences of living in a youth oriented society.

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    Sunshyne1975 4 years ago from California, US

    Great hub, full of lots of good information and lots of great comments. You are a great writer. I am currently a small business owner, and if I do have to go back to a "real job" I think I might have a hard time adjusting to taking directions from someone else again. Hopefully we become successful soon and I won't have to worry about it. Thanks for the great hub.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @kaiyan717) Great tips kai. I am now working 3 small part-time jobs that don't even amount to full time, but at least they are all in the same type of work (teaching art) so until something more stable comes my way at least I have something. Best of luck next year and hope you find the perfect job for you!

    @MayG) Yes the job type does make a difference - I would still take that plunge and look for a job to your liking - hey sometimes we do get lucky!

    @ExoticHippieQueen) I know there has to be a better way for those of us that are going through this....there are so many of that are good writers...just keep plugging along and writing well!

    @johnakc) Thank you john!

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    My Moments 4 years ago

    Oh the slight head nod. I have been guilty of that as well. And afterwards I had wondered myself, if that had made me seem smug or over confident.

    I have stopped looking and just decided to start my own profit centers. Great hub!

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    I was watching a documentary about "Ian Flemming" who started his career as a spy novel writer post-40's. He wrote "Casino Royale" and pushed for the creation of the 007 franchise.

    This is the other guy..

    http://instantwatcher.com/titles/1556

    There is life after 40..

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    Robert Casto 4 years ago from Jackson, MI

    I love the hub, people like you are the reason this is the greatest freelancing site on the web.

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    hunthedeals 4 years ago

    I do think that corporate America does bend the age rules to a point but there are some companies and industries that accept older workers with open arms. The main problem is the pay scales that are paid are lower than what some may feel they deserve. Look our economy stinks and sometimes you have to get your foot in the door with accepting lower wages than just to sit home and place blame on being to old.

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    @keirnanholland, I don't really think it is one thing that contributes to this social problem, but a culmination of ideas and feelings. It's hard to not take it personal. I have found this hub to be of comfort, knowing I am not alone, and their are things that I can do, to help me in my search for work. thanks for your post.

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    @Jewel01 I'm 42 yo, I listen to Deadmau5 in the car, I love dubstep.. I play 3D video games, kick many young-uns at BF3, so much so they often ask why I pick on them. I think it's that they can't imagine someone who is twice their age ever identifying with them, they are afraid of the unknown, I think that's why they don't hire older people. The outside is old, the inside, we are all like 21 right? Who really thinks they are old? It's god's prank on us..

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    Paul Bisquera 4 years ago from Los Angeles

    Love your article, Dorsi! Yep, it's time for us over 40 to get a business of our own instead of wallowing in the unemployment line!

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    B A Tobin 4 years ago from Connnecticut

    Age is relative...to mine LOL I always see "old" as 30 years added to my own. I also believe that others perceive an age thought when we have one...if we think or are feeling old it can be detected. Best to all!

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    Odiegirl 4 years ago

    I totally agree with this article and the comment made by Ketage. As a struggling business owner you are already looked upon as a failure if your own business does not succeed. Plus I'm 42- no one is hiring 42 year olds! This is why I try to keep my business afloat!

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    ketage 4 years ago from Croatia

    Ex business owners are definitely discriminated against, my theory is that people feel that if you cannot make a success of your own business how can you make a success of theirs. I have seen a persons facial expression change as soon as I tell them I used to run my own business. I now do the same as you Dorsi and tell people I was a manager.

    I wish you all the best in finding the work you are looking for. If you have not already.

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    KawikaChann 4 years ago from Northwest, Hawaii, Anykine place

    Nicely done Dorsi, I will be interviewing internally for a position out of state - I know all the answers, so thanks for reminding me that all my present bosses are younger than I (thankfully, I don't look my age). I would also like to ad to your readers, that they shouldn't offer their age to their co-workers either. I have grandkids as old as some of my subordinates. Up voted/interesting and following. Peace. Kawi.

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    B A Tobin 4 years ago from Connnecticut

    In my arena, age is not an issue, but rather an asset...it is a different sort of market industry in work in, however with respect to all others, I wholeheartedly agree, that is unless you want to work for minimum wage again and/or part time doing the jobs you did in high school! Both of those choices offer no future, no benefits, not enough pay to get you there and back and little satisfaction. Boy things have changed in the current job market for sure! Thank you for your article!!

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    It is no longer about experience and skill, a lot of it has to do with the image of a business. I was replaced by 2 employees, which only cost them an additional 3 dollars an hour. This was to there advantage, when telling clients that business is growing (need to hire additional people). of course they did not have the skills I had, nor the education. It would have been time for them to consider a raise for me, so what did it really cost them.

    I think, but maybe I am wrong, when an older person applies for a position, it may be difficult for a younger person to relate to us. We would not have much in common, except work.

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    Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    It really hurts to see these younger people doing a half-assed job that you could do 10 times better. I've already made the mistakes that these 20 somethings are currently making. I learned from those mistakes. Why don't employers recognize that hiring older workers save them tons of money? We are more stable, more dependable, get sick less often, don't get pregnant, don't particularly care if we get vacations every year. I dunno, I would hire a good older worker any day of the week.

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    Dutchmaster10 4 years ago from England

    I'll pass this hub onto my cousin. He has a Phd in Economics and he finds it incredibly difficult to find work as usually he's got far more qualifications than the individual interviewing him?! He currently works for Bet365 in the call centres???!

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    Rose Anne Karesh 4 years ago from Virginia

    I really appreciate your tips and honesty here. I am not in this category yet but I can see myself being there, and it helps to have someone offer some do's and don't's in advance. I wish you the best of luck and I hope your next interview lands you a great job with an employer wise enough to appreciate your experience and confident enough not to be intimidated by your expertise.

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    dearmommy 4 years ago

    I am not in this category, but I found the article to be really well written and informative. I am scared to be in this place someday, because I agree with every point you made. Best of luck. You are a great writer, so any company would be lucky to have you!!!

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @LongTimeMother) What a great idea. I think the US should consider doing this too - gives the employers a little perk to hire us older workers.

    @Scent) Good question but I think you could use the term manager too - after all that's what you did - managed your own distributorship. And try to fill those gaps even if it's with projects or volunteer work. I know employers don't like those gaps.

    @nextchapter) Thanks and some libraries even offer free software training programs that you do at your own pace. Beats going to school if you can avoid it and just need to get up to speed in some programs.

    @Pool Of Thoughts) Oh yes you are so correct on all points. And the economy being touted as in recovery is just hype to keep our spirits up. I predict things will get much much worse , but hey gotta keep the masses spirits lifted - even though it's not true!

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    Ronald Joseph Kule 4 years ago from Florida

    You've shared useful advice that can be easily applied.

    I am 65. After I was canned with an email (!) from a sales company where I earned the #1 position for 18 years straight, I had to choose between looking for a job and following my dream at last(!). Now I write and publish books full-time.

    Like any of your readers who must do interviews to find work, I have to use my wit, skills, hard-won knowledge and imagination to obtain paying clients and publishers. The only differences are two: my dress code is my own; my (royalty) income is not only based on the quality of my work, but on how well my work is perceived by my "employers -- my readers."

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    Sarah 4 years ago from USA

    I can relate, My husband is in a similar position, and we think that his confidence during interviews comes across as arrogance to the interviewers. It is not his fault, but I think one needs to find a balance between being themselves and how to come across as approachable and a good fit for the company. Great hub!

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    Tommy Olsson 4 years ago from Sweden

    Very good informationa and advice,Yes it can be hard in todays jobsituation to get a job. I myself have been out of work for quite some time now.

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    Its do or die, I think.. I'm doing what I love in the meantime, and that is to write hubs.. I've come to realize though, that to write about topics is different than making youtube videos. Really the only way to be successful with youtube videos is if you are an engaging personality with a nice home, ahem, someone who doesn't have to look for a job.. Which is a sort of catch-22, how do you make money on these articles/videos if you live in an apartment and lack table space to review products.. It seems it all has very little to do with brain power and more to do with image and ability to outright deceive people successfully.. I'd say 90% of the people on hubpages are BSing anyway.. Well written articles with zero research. But you have to be careful with what you say, otherwise your articles get shot down.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @Ewent) Thank you Ewent. Very inspiring advice.

    @Hezekiah) Thanks for coming by - and that's interesting about Japan's idea of how to go "younger"

    @Nell Rose) That's alot of experience to get trumped by a "younger person". Glad to see you using your talent to good use here at HP!

    @Robert Erich) Thank you Robert and thanks for the insightful comment about the "other side of the coin"

    @Jenn-Anne) Thanks Jenn and congrats on finding a job that values your experience. Sounds like a keeper in this days economy!

    @cartondamage 1) Thank you carton. Can I come work for you?

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    Mrs Campbell 4 years ago from Atlanta, GA

    Congratulations Dorsi!

    Do any of these part-time gigs have anything to do with your amazing writing style :-)? Please share, as so many of us are still in the throws of this jaw-dropping-jobs-race; and I don't know about anyone else, but I've built up to much momentum to call it quits now. I'm evaluating all avenues, even the unconventional. So, if anyone has any ideas - let the brain games begin :-).

    Congrats again Dorsi!

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    Sorry everyone for the delay in replying to these comments, since writing this hub I actually have acquired 3 part-time jobs, which joyfully are keeping me busy and a bit more on a better financial track!

    @extranotes) Hi extra, I guess our club is not so "exclusive", huh?

    @writeframeofmind) I so agree, thanks for stopping by.

    @Sana Ratio) Thank you Sana

    @Emmanuel Kariuki) Thanks Emmanuel. That young manager is truly discriminating, not good. Not good at all. Wonder how many young managers share his view.

    @Cyndi10) Thank you Cyndi

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    Jean Valerie Kotzur nee Stoneman 4 years ago from Germany

    Keirnanholland, you are being a little hard on the USA! The youth cult is infiltrating the whole world. At one time a person became experienced with age. Nowadays, apparently, people are born with experience and this deteriorates with age. I'm so glad that I don't have to look for work any longer. I have my pension and I stock up my income with some writing. At least I don't have to listen to a lot of nonsense from these young know-alls.

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    Naw Silkekarina this is what you do, you let the young'uns fail, the companies fail, then you start a company that buys up the companies that fail. But it's tough it get the bank funding to start the company that buys up the ignorant young company. Banks are the problem with the economy now. The solution is to let America get f*cked because it deserves it.

    And move overseas to places like germany and france. America is toast..

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    dreamseeker2 4 years ago

    Being out of work for quite sometime now, I totally have to agree with your statement regarding the overage being discriminated against. Experience and dependability seem to fall by the wayside. I appreciate your hub and sharing it with us...tips and experience with the situation. Had to vote this one up and useful. : ) Thanks!

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    Fredena Moore 4 years ago from South United States

    Right on target! This hub and the comments-so much I learned just reading here. Thanks for such a timely piece! I have decided to just "relax", enjoy my grandchildren, write, pursue my interests, volunteer, and travel-life is too short!

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    Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

    Nicely written directions for job hunting. I think hair color for women is a good idea, but not sure how good it is for men. One friend who has spent years job hunting refused to do his hair even though his wife and daughter wanted him to.

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    Chen 4 years ago

    What a great hub, and too true. In these times when there is such competition for every slot any little thing can count against you. I wish you lots of luck! VU & Interesting!

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    Jean Valerie Kotzur nee Stoneman 4 years ago from Germany

    This has hit a chord and simply because that is what our world is all about at the moment. The word is ' Y O U T H'. If you haven't got it, you're out on a limb. I had the same problems and I must admit that I was relieved when I reached retirement age. However, there is a big 'BUT' here. I have read all your letters and comments and have seen that you are all great writers. Now use your talents to earn yourself your incomes. Forget about the interviewers who are not even old enough to look back on two decades, let alone assess a successful 40 something woman (or man) who was at the peak of his/her career when the interviewer was still wearing nappies (diapers). Show them that you do not need the condescension of someone who is younger than your own son or daughter and apart from a college degree has no other experience to enable them to assess anyone. Good Luck to you all.

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    Dorsi Diaz 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

    @Ewent) Scary stuff Ewent - especially the part about "bad credit". People fall into "bad credit" when they can't find work sometimes! What ridiculous and stereo-typing discrimination!

    @donotfear) Thanks donotfear - glad you were able to find something and transfer those skills and Lord willing - you will get back to those places God wants you to use those other talents you have!

    @PK Taylor) I'm sorry PK - my husband is also in the same boat now. Social security better not fold or there are going to be a lot of starving seniors....

    @mitowrite) I agree write. The bar does seem to be extremely high for some of these jobs....

    @Nish09) Thanks Nish and good luck with your writing... yes money can be made... but it does require a big learning curve!

    @MarleneB) Thanks Marlene for coming by!

    @Beyond-Politics) Thanks Beyond - I'll swing by and check those out.

    @xstatic) I'm sorry x. Maybe you can turn some of your "hobbies" into money makers?

    @Teencity) lol Ms. Clairol. Best of luck on building up teencityproductions!

    @Anna Haven) Yes Anna I so agree.

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    Let's just commit to not saying, "overage" maybe we could start there. It implies a negative, don't you think?

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    Malek Zarzour 4 years ago from Turkey, Istanbul

    its a very sad fact with overage people, but I believe in you, am sure you gonna make it succeed.

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    ExoticHippieQueen 4 years ago

    Hey, Billrrrr, I'm going to check out that hub of yours.

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    Bill Russo 4 years ago from Cape Cod

    As the author of the hub, "High Paying Jobs - People Under 60 Need Not Apply", I can tell you that there are thousands of jobs for older workers; they are just not what they are used to.

    As a product demonstrator, some days I make over $100 for a six hour gig. For a 70 year old who has not been able to work in his chosen field for almost twenty years, this is good money. I can work as many as five days per week.

    I have written several hubs on how to get these jobs. They are plentiful. One company even pays a finders fee of $25.00 for each person sent to them, who is hired and completes several demo jobs. I have found that in the product demonstration business, the older you are the better you are received.

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    Mediagyrl 4 years ago

    This was a great article as it addresses one of the most underreported angles of the high levels of unemployment.

    The downturn in the economy has really transformed so much. Older workers are one of the populations hit the hardest and many were relying on being able to remain employed with the same companies where they spent the bulk ,if not all of their careers.

    The new workplace is as such where job security is quickly becoming a thing of the past and we all have to figure out ways to expand our expertise and not expect to hold the same job forever. It's a difficult notion especially since we are all in the midst of this transition as a society. Again, certainly this change is much more difficult for older workers who are competing with younger ones.

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    JITENDRA 4 years ago from INDIA

    dear dorsi it is a very common problem with overage people but one should try and definitely will success

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    I agree that benefits for employees have gotten a bit out of control. The problem lies with the industries providing the services. As a waitress, I was paid 2.65 and hour by my employer and relied on the quality of service I could provide to increase my pay. The cost of living has risen to the extent that many Americans, including adult children, cannot afford to live outside the family home. There are many things wrong with the system, or systems we are forced to work within. It is not modeled to the extent that those who work hard are rewarded, but used and then cast aside when their usefulness seems useless. Hmmm...really, is there nothing I can offer? I feel as though many of the companies I applied for and didn't get the job, really missed out. Honestly, I just want to walk in the door one day and say, so how's it working out for you, sorry about you luck.

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    I misread, or really failed to read your comment originally.. I edited my comment because you first started talking about health problems and I thought you were going to start talking about the overhead that for every employee (this is true in the tech fields) that a company shells out about 20-40% of the employees wage in benefits and company insurance, in case they lose the employee, to recover the cost of a lost of revenue due to the loss of the employee. So for every computer programmer that earns 60 to 80K a year, there is a 20-40K of extra money that the employer pays in insurance and benefits packages, insurance for the employee and the company. I'm not sure of this cost, as I'm not a professional but it's something I've heard.

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    I have never had health insurance, paid my way through life, cared for my parents and in-laws as the need fits. Just a regular kinda girl, woman, old lady as some might call me today. My issue, statement was in the context of citizens not rising to the occasion to support one another. When you finally sit down and make a list of the issues that need to be addressed, at the top of it, should be the mentality of the American people. We could choose to attack any industry, including doctors and hospitals, while we are at it. Medical costs in the United States are over 2 to 3x's that of other countries. I have shoveled shit, literally to help feed the family. I do not claim to be above any job.

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    pulled name 4 years ago from nowhere

    So don't offer healthcare benefits, force everyone to buy their own health insurance, everyone in the healthcare industry knows that what drives the companies into the ground is the cost of the benefits of each employee. If the employees knew it was the cost of the benefits that kept them from being hired they would ask the benefits to be waived to get the job. It's a moot point. I pay for my own healthcare and I'm 42 years old and unemployed. I'll tell you the truth I'm living on handouts from my elderly father's pension which is easily 60K a year.. I made the mistake of being dependent on him for a decade, helping him because he was living alone, in one instance I saved his life when he fell sick to pneumonia, now he is living in a senior living facility and I was forced by my elder brother ( a lawyer) to go looking for work. On top of that I have a sever social phobia of interacting with people interviews, I've never been good at interacting with people in such situations, though when I'm confident and comfortable in my work, I am usually very encouraging and inspiring to those around me. The reason I got work back in 2000 at a dot-com is due to my managerial nature of a crowd of animators in school, one of those animators went on to form a dot-com that won 3 and then established 24 million dollars of funding. I was one of three developers he wanted in the company, I think there was 9 in all, and we even went so far as to construct our own machines from PC parts. But back then I was like 29 or 30. In my earlier 30s I got working with a man who developed healtcare informatics systems on his own, and when you work in a small business you buy your own healthcare.. He said that eventually everyone will be buying their own healthcare insurance because it is irresponsible to lump that into the incentives of the job, it just makes it that much harder to offer jobs because people will shy away from postings that don't offer any benefits... Me? I'd go for a company that would say "we offer 300 dollars per month extra for employee selectable insurance". That says to me that they want to reduce the overhead and run a tight efficient business. We Americans get pampered too much, and it's about time we take responsibility for it somewhere.. I think one area that really needs to get fixed is the elimination of lengthy drug patents, only Americans pay through the nose for experimental drugs, everyone elsewhere just synthesizes the the same drugs and offers them at a lower cost.. And of the drugs offered every year only a few are unique and new, the rest are repeats that have a slight chemical variation but just enough to be re-patented.

    Also the government needs to tax companies so the weak ones are driven to foreign countries, Meh.. And the strong ones stay where there are health-standards where people know how to treat each other.. I've seen documentaries talking about how the American government and big business have a tendency to tag-team exploit third-world nations leaving the occupants to search for work elsewhere because the cost of living has risen in their own country beyond their means. We think mexicans immigrate to America because they want to live and work here, the truth is they work like dogs here, they make the money and send it home.. They'd live here if they could but not speaking the language they would prefer to return home. And that's why since the housing crisis they have left.. The companies have since moved south setting up shop in Mexico. We've known for a long time all the XBOX consoles are manufactured in Mexico, did you know that?

    Nothing much is manufactured in America, its due to the cost of employment and peoples unreal expectations for employment.

    If someone from India with a PHD from an indian university can come to America and take a position as a store clerk, I probably should be humble enough to take a position as a janitor, even though I have a computer science degree.. But there is that art minor I took that might be detracting from the degree.. Naw times are tough, what a great excuse for companies to be finicky about the finer points of someones resume.. I laugh, in all honesty I expect that most businesses are going to go under due to their lack of faith.. If Christian businesses really had faith, there would not be an unemployment problem.. But then again if people really had morals, there wouldn't be the sort of fraudulent activities that got us into this mess in the first place.

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    Julie Buchanan 4 years ago from Michigan

    It's a nice thought to hire 40 plus, year old people. The issue is most company's are against it, because once you reach this age, one is more likely to suffer from a long term illness. Health Insurance cost more for these employees, and so on. It is 6 of one and half dozen of the other, when it comes to figuring out where to go from here. Suing big businesses for discrimination is not as easy, as one may think. I myself find myself between a rock and hard spot. I got my bachelors degree late in life, unfortunately for me, the economy is where it's at. I waited table for about 32 years. So, I saw this as something I could fall back on. I went from working 5 days a week as a waitress, to having my hours cut to 2 days a week, when they hired a 22 year old. They had said "we need to hire young girls to bring more guys in." I really thought they were just kidding me, but I guess I was mistaken. I quit out of principle. I was wrong there too. Currently, I am unemployed, unable to find a job in either position. Who do you blame? Personally, I blame my boss for being short sighted. I also blame the men who voiced their desire for younger woman. Honestly, what girl in here 20's wants a man in his 40's and older (some much older).

    True Story:

    We hired a new girl, she was about 19. As with most girls, she went through a training process. Young, adorable, full of sex appeal, she went about her way, wooing the guys. Pat was a regular customer, I had known him for over 20 years. Pat had always tipped me well, leaving 2 or 3 dollars for breakfast everyday. We rotated tables and customers to make it fair, and it happened that the new girl was to have Pat as a customer. I gave him his coffee, and told him she would be with him in a minute. She was busy talking to another customer, so I placed the order for her. His food was ready, so I delivered it. When he had finished and pushed his plate to the edge of the counter, twice, I decided it should be removed. Refilling his coffee throughout his stay, we never talked about the new girl. She had stopped by and spoke to him, and he was quite pleased to have her presence. When all was said and done, he left her a 5 spot. This went on 3 days in a row. On the 4th day, I was his waitress, so to speak, and he tipped me 2 dollars.

    You might be asking yourself why I would tell this story? My point is, yep, it happens all the time. The truth of the matter is, most men over 40 are over weight, and not so attractive, like Pat, who was in debt up to his eyebrows. I don't think all men are like this, but honestly, I am hard pressed to find a man who doesn't make stupid statements about younger women.

    There are many factors that contribute to this problem. I really don't know, maybe I don't believe, it will ever change.

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    hubpages, your "pixel.quantserve" is holding back the page load, is that your statistics collector, you might want to try "feedjit", its a fun one, you at least can see where people are coming from and what areas of the site they are using.. Anywho..

    A twenty-something mentioned problems of being under-qualified.. I know what you mean.. My favorite joke is finding the job postings that say stuff like "must gave 5 years experience with C#, 3 years with java, must have masters degree in computer science, etc".. And they end up hiring some 23 yo indian guy.. That is just wrong, but it happens..

    The moral of the story, put on your resume tons and tons of technologies that you have used, even if you had a few days on them. You are trying to get past the job screener and get through to those that are conducting the interview.. These days, its head hunters, then after them there is a interview with one guy, then an interview with the staff.. My position is "but computer science guys, you give them a manual, you introduce them to some code, they'll figure it out" the only really important thing is that they comment their code and have proper indention, the rest should be dealt with in design sessions and meetings. But it seems the lead designers are gullible to the pressure to use golden hammers and technologies that are "in" that they don't bother to try to standardize or clean up the existing mess and you end up with a hybrid junk pile that comes from people leaving and re-hiring.. When the job posting looks like a Frankenstein, the software should probably be shot like an old arthritic horse, put it out of its misery, and start over with a fresh development, and possibly a fresh new team made up of older and younger people, I'd put older people on the design team and the young will do the brute force coding, and how about this for the job posting: "need computer science majors or teenagers who have built computers with TTL circuits on breadboards." That would attract the right crowd..

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    What we 40+ guys should do is start a company where we only hire people over the age of 40.. I doubt a 20 something would go looking for a lawyer to raise a lawsuit against a company that only hires people over 40.. Why? Because 40 somethings have experience enough to hold degrees in law and such.. Plus it could be a very good company, most 40 somethings have already had their children, some have been divorced and lost interest in forming new relationships, they aren't having anymore babies, and it's not but another 20-30 years before they start showing real signs of dementia, they aren't as gullible as the twenty somethings.. And I forgot something that was really cool.. but it's left me.. Oh that, that's probably the big one working against, short-term forgetfulness. But think about it, how much does a 40 something know that a 20 something has yet to learn, if you easily forgot something was it something that a 20 something wouldn't know anyhow. I mean, 40 something could effectively equate to the talent and experience of between 1 and 2 twenty-somethings depending on their ability to recollect knowledge .. So why not treat them as that. Which would you rather hire, young nimble ninjas or horse riding sword slinging samurai's?

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    There has been articles talking about age discrimination occuring in all of silicon valley, mainly facebook never hires anyone over 40, nor does Google.. I think if you really want to stick it to them in a class action lawsuit all you need to do is to see if the people in their organization are not random enough in age, take a head count, if most people are under the age of 30, get a lawyer and take them to court or contact the better business bureau? I mean if you got a company with 100-200 people and there is no 40+ yo people, experience isn't issue, it's age.. Another reason they don't like hiring older people, older people are harder to abuse, they know where their boundaries are, young people have no boundaries, you can push them over the line, make them work 80 hour weeks.. In that case, you probably would want to look somewhere else for a job unless the pay is good.

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    johnakc 4 years ago from New Delhi

    It is really a big problem for older emplyoyees. Your nice tips will help such people in getting what they deserve.

    Nice Hub Dorsi.

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    ExoticHippieQueen 4 years ago

    I am now seeing that my age is working against me. Certain jobs intimidate me, as I realize I will be working with people much younger, and possibly faster than me. I remember myself discriminating somewhat against older people in certain jobs, and now the tables are turned. That's karma for you! I am young for my age, and am in good shape to run around but not exactly like a tireless 20 year old in a waitress job for instance. I have been through lists of possible job ideas, and many just will not suit me now at this point in my life. It's a headache for sure. Thanks for this useful hub.

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    May Galnou 4 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

    Great hub. Sometimes I toy with the idea of going back to work when the kids are older, even if it's just something part time, but then I kind of think - who will hire me when I've been out of the workforce for 12 years raising children? Seems like my qualms are justified after reading your hub and the comments above.

    Having said that, my mum decided after 20 years of nursing that she'd had enough. So, in her 40's she went to a TAFE (like a community college), trained as a PA and was never unemployed. I think it depends on the job, but sometimes age and experience can be highly valued.

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    kaiyan717 4 years ago from West Virginia

    I cannot comment on the age, however I have been told sometimes it is best to dumb down your application, more or less to stave off claims of over qualification. I have several college degrees, yet I only claim the ones that are relevant. I too have worked as an entrepeneur for many years and I hope this does not look negatively on me when I reenter the work force next year with a new career. Also instead of using dates, you could put on your resume just the length of employment. I wish you luck and I hope you can find the perfect job soon!

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    David Steffy 4 years ago from Southern Ohio

    Well, I can definitely agree with your tips. If you are overweight I'm sure that doesn't help your odds either. Over 40, over weight, and over qualified... Hmmmm Yet, somehow all you hear on the news is how great the unemployment rate is. I don't think they realize that its because everyone's unemployment compensation ran out. They didn't find jobs, they lost their benefits while hunting for jobs...