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An Open Letter To The HubPages Staff and Management

Updated on November 25, 2013

Please Allow Me to Introduce Myself

My apologies to the Rolling Stones for borrowing a line from “Sympathy For The Devil,” but it seemed so perfect for this article.

My name is Bill Holland. You know me on your site as Billybuc. For sure a rather strange moniker, but it has been with me since my high school baseball days and since those were, and are, fond memories, the name has stayed with me lo these many years.

Anyway, as I approach my two year anniversary on your site, I thought I would drop you a line and tell you what I think of your writing platform, and if you don’t mind I have a couple suggestions I’d like to toss your way for consideration.

Since you just sent me a rather nice note congratulating me on my Best All Around Hubber Award, and since in that letter you told me I was one of your favorite Hubbers, I feel we have a rapport, a foundation of friendship if you will, and it is in that spirit of friendship that I write this missive.

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Let Me State My Concerns

I don’t know if you have noticed from your office in San Francisco, but there is a rather large number of former Hubbers who have jumped ship and swam over to Bubblews. Of course, I am sure you gain new Hubbers every week, so maybe the numbers even out or even sway in your favor, but still, when an exodus of this proportion occurs, I’m sure it is at least a tiny bit unsettling. I know it is for me because many of those refugees are friends of mine and quite frankly I miss them.

With my ear to the rumor mill I surmise that the number one reason why you are losing so many writers is because they can make more money at Bubblews, and that certainly seems to be the case. Now I’m sure you have lost a few here and there because of petty considerations, but for the most part this money issue seems to be the biggie.

Writers who have been with you for years are wondering how they can make a payout at Bubblews within a month when they rarely made one at HP in two years, and I have to tell you, that’s a valid question. Writers work hard. It is no easy feat to crank out 1,500 meaningful words plus do research, add photos, etc., and if after that work they see pennies from you and dollars from Bubblews well, as I said, it is a valid question that they ask.

There are those who wonder why there are rarely any cash contests, and why most of the praise is aimed at new writers while the veterans languish backstage patting themselves on the back. Oh heck, I could do on and on, but I’m sure I am not writing anything that you have not heard, and ignored, before.

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Now I Do Understand Your Position

I’m not an idiot despite what my former wife says. I have degrees in Marketing and Economics, so I’ve been around the Keynesian block a time or two. I know you are in this to make money. Pure and simple, right? And I say hooray for you and may the gods of Wall Street smile down upon you. I’m all for making money. Hell, most of your 77,000 published writers are all about making money too, so we do understand.

I understand that you make money on advertising. All of those ads that you put on our articles make you money. Every single time they are viewed they make you money. Every single time someone clicks on them they make you money. Hell, folks, you have a regular cash cow on your hands and again, I couldn’t be happier for you.

But you see, I come from a union household, and I can’t help but wonder about the little guy. I can’t help but ask myself how loyal those writers would be if you managed to just swing a few more pennies in their direction…..just spread a little more love their way.

Hell, folks, if you just had regular contests based on writing ability you might make a few more people happy. Hell, if you just relaxed your censorship rules a bit, or if you just did something other than sing the praises of keywords and SEO, you might make a few more people happy. How about a poet of the week award? Essayist of the week award? Flash fiction writer of the week award? Something that lets those who are not capsule-oriented and brainwashed know that their writing matters to the HP staff.

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You Will Find This Odd

Here’s the thing: I love it here. I’m not going anywhere. I was tempted by Bubblews for about a week, but in the end I came back to HP because of the writers. Some of my best friends are writers on this site and I like hanging with them.

I don’t write for the money so it makes no difference to me what meager pittance you give back to me. I don’t write for the awards. I simply write because I love writing, and I stay at HP because I think you have some incredible writers here, and I know you have some incredible people here. I am not some disgruntled writer with a list of grievances; I am a satisfied customer who hates watching his friends jump ship for greener pastures and yes, that was a mixed and clumsy metaphor. J

But don’t you see, I’m in the minority. Many writers need the money. Many writers have no choice but to leave your site because they can make better money elsewhere, and I just find that sad.

I know you can do something about this. I am quite confident that you can wiggle a few more pennies out of the coffers and pay a little better. I know for a fact that you can hold more cash contests. I know you can give more praise to established writers who toil in relative obscurity. I have complete faith that you can do these things.

But will you?

It all comes down, then, to whether you are willing to step up to the plate and swing for the fences, or if you are content to bunt and sacrifice every time. I can tell you from decades of experience that there is nothing exciting about bunting. People follow the homerun hitters and always will. Homerun hitters get the girls. Homerun hitters get the glory. Homerun hitters, in this case, get the writers.

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So There You Have It

I write this letter for the little guy at HubPages. I write this letter for the struggling housewife who just needs an extra hundred bucks a month to break even. I write for the retired clerk who could use a few extra pennies over and above Social Security. I write this letter for serious writers who would love some recognition. I write this letter for the writers who have been loyal to you for years and have very little to show for that loyalty.

And this may surprise you, but I write this letter for you, the HubPages staff. I think, deep down, you want to have the best writing community online. I think you want everyone to be successful because you love writers and writing. I think you want these things but you have gotten so wrapped up in the daily tasks and chores that you have lost your vision of the future.

So don’t try to thank me. I was glad to help out. I know you would do the same for me. And seriously, if you need me to help you with this, and you want to chat about possible changes, then give me a call or drop me an email. I'm available to you any old time.

As 2013 comes to a close, let’s make a vow that you and I will try to make HubPages the best in 2014. I promise you that I will continue to support you, and I promise that I will continue to write high quality articles for your site. You, in turn, promise me that you will consider my suggestions and work towards some exciting new approaches.

Can we shake on that?

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Said perfectly Bill. Seriously you didn't kiss a beat here and got to give credit, where credit is due my friend. I have to add that I am truly having trouble now finding articles that you and other followers just published. they changed the backend dashboard recently and I can't just search through the day to see the new articles added easily by those that I follow. So, I know it is something stupid and trivial, but truly driving me a bit crazy to say the least. So I felt I wanted to add that here with you wonderful letter for good measure. Thanks as always Bill and have a wonderful Monday now!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Janine! I am reminded of the old saying "if it ain't broke then don't fix it." I don't know why they make changes like that but it drives me crazy.

      Thanks as always; let's hope they pay attention.

      bill

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      I was looking forward to reading this, Bill, and you didn't disappoint. I hope Hubpages staff takes notice.

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      Alice Ann Day 3 years ago

      You echo my sentiments Billy. I find it quite hard as a creative story writer to stick to SEO and that's my love of Bubblews. My revenue is increasing regardless of what I write, hence the creative juices can work. But I do love the platform and professionalism of Hubpages that Bubblews seems to lack.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      So do I, Deb! What can it hurt, right? Thank you for visiting this Monday morning.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Alice, hopefully we will see some changes. Thank you for adding your thoughts and best wishes to you.

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      Treathyl FOX 3 years ago from Austin, Texas

      How long is the Bubblews Patent going to be Pending?

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      Connie Smith 3 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Billy, it isn't often that someone stands up and goes to bat for all those who dare not. Bravo to you my friend! I am blown away by your devotion and loyalty to all of us who are proud to call you 'friend' .

      And I most heartily agree with Janine in those changes they made to the 'hubbers you follow' category. I liked the option to search through the most recent contributors, and used it exclusively. ;) Pearl

      Voted Up++++

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      FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

      I really enjoy HubPages but unfortunately have to agree with you that a few extra pennies should be eeked out. For example, an itty bitty bonus for x number of stellar hubs may help (it's all about goals!). Different things motivate different people. Also, it seems like many of the projects are half-done then off to something else before fully executed. Regular, ongoing status updates with timelines would help. HOTD could be opened up to suggestion just like Editor's choice. We lost a lot when Simone left. On the positive side, the overall quality of the content has improved, and that benefits us all.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      cmoneyspinner, I really have no idea. I hope it is legit but I have some doubts....but....I don't blame writers for going there.

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      Linda Compton 3 years ago from The Land of Enchantment

      Bravo, Sir William, bravo.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Pearl. I had nothing to lose by writing this so why not? Maybe we will actually be listened to. :)

      I appreciate you very much!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Flourish. I appreciate reading your views and hopefully HP will read them as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda! Enjoy your day in the snow my friend and have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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      Daisy Mariposa 3 years ago from Orange County (Southern California)

      Bill,

      Who better to write such an article than the recipient of HP's 2013 Hubbie Award for Best All Around Hubber? Well done, my friend!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Daisy! My thoughts exactly. If they won't listen to their award winners they won't listen to anyone. :)

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      Drive By Quipper 3 years ago from Wrong Side of Town

      Content farms like this depend on a neurotic response to a random, intermittent system of rewards, not monetary. Have fun running on the wheel and chatting up with the other rats who will never find the cheese.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well you sure do this one heck of a lot better than I do. This is very "statesman" like in quality. I have no cotton with "jumping a ship for greener pastures", sceptin I can't swim and I got allergies ;-) I still do no marketing so the scores, payout and featured mean nothing to me. Except that just like they want my spelling all pretty I want their standards all pretty. I miss my buddies though.

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      Shasta Matova 3 years ago from USA

      Making a few extra pennies would certainly make me feel better Bill! Well said. I think the reason Bubblews makes more money now is because there are lots of people spending time at that site. Hubbers could do the same and spend more time here, and we could be viewing each other's hubs.

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      Gail Meyers 3 years ago from United States

      Congratulations on your 2013 Hubbie Award, Bill. I enjoyed your commentary in this hub.

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      Tina Truelove 3 years ago

      Great letter! You echoed some of my thoughts exactly. I left the public school system to run an in-home preschool so I could keep my family at the top of my priority list as many public school systems make that very difficult to do. I always loved writing so a friend directed me to Hubpages since she was convinced it would help me supplement my family income and maybe I could even do it full time someday. Three years later, I don't even make the monthly payout. I'll be the first to admit that I knew nothing about writing compared to what I thought I knew and Hubpages has helped me learn a lot and a big bonus is "meeting" accomplished writers like you and several others. However, now that I know a bit more about how online writing works, I think I could work toward accomplishing my goals if the Hubpages staff reads this letter and takes your suggestions to heart. Thank you for writing this letter.

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      Suzette Walker 3 years ago from Taos, NM

      Really great letter Bill and well said and well written. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am staying with Hub Pages because of the writers and quality but there do need to be some reforms here. You state your case eloquently. We used to have contests here when I first joined and I don't know why they haven't continued with them. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with all of us.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      you are a great writer here and have written many helpful hubs most of which I have read and will do in time. Thank you for another great write up her as always you know what to say and how o approach hubs with perfection.

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      Austinstar 3 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

      Well, since I found Bubblews, I haven't written a thing over here. I'm not taking down my stuff in a huff though. I do still like HubPages, and I come back to read good hubs when I see them.

      You have said what needs to be said here. I hope the HP staff takes it to heart!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...thanks for the comment Drive by Quipper....I already have the cheese; no rewards are necessary for this writer.....but I appreciate your comment.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I miss them too, Eric! But as you well know, life changes and we either change with it or die from stagnation....and I like breathing in and out.

      Thanks my friend.

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      Treathyl FOX 3 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I was already at Bubblews. Twice! I don't go by that "3 strikes" rule. I just sent them a message via Facebook and moved on.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Millionaire, I wish it were so. I simply don't have the time to follow people on Bubblews and HP...this is my home and this is where I will stay.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Gail. I appreciate your kind words.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tina, we can always hope, right? The money isn't an issue for me, but that doesn't keep me from voicing concerns I have about the way other writers are treated. :) Thank you!

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      Bill, thank for taking the lead on this one. Hope the HP staff listens and responds positively. It's great site, but I still can't figure out their main agenda. Cheers for taking that initiative!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know either, Suzette, but I certainly hope HP reads and takes steps towards improving the situation. Thanks for the visit and your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE...hopefully someone at HP will read this and changes will happen.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      So do I, Austinstar....all we can do is try to make changes and then it is out of our hands. This was my attempt. Thanks for stopping by here and giving me your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      cmoneyspinner, I send my best wishes to you and hope you find success at Bubblews.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Dora. I figured someone needed to say something....and if nothing comes from it I still felt better writing it. :)

      blessings always

      bill

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      Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

      Great letter, hopefully they will read it and comment back to you either privately or here in comments. I see Paul Edmondson is usually pretty active with hubbers answering questions when he is tagged in the various discussion forums, so maybe he will check out this hub too if you drop your link in the forums with his name in subject. Gets fast attention :)

      I agree with you that they could be more generous and stop keeping so much of the revenue in their own coffers. They need us; we should be rewarded with a better percentage. Even with signing up with Amazon and Ebay, it is pretty sad when I make more money from them than I do from HP. :(

      I know we are writers who can only look good on paper, but maybe giving a bonus for each accolade bestowed on hubbers would be nice, instead of the verbal (intangible) pat on the back/stroke of the ego.

      I have stopped writing on Bubblews and Teckler about 2 weeks ago by personal choice - I have a little problem with writing good content and having it cohabitate with someone's dinner menu or dear diary entries, so I am here at HP for the duration.

      Even though HP chose one of my hubs as Editor's Choice, and I think that was nice, there has been no communication between HP and hubber, no list of all the hubbers and hubs that were chosen, no monetary bonus given except the "editor's choice" accolade and putting the hub on their home page - where I believe I now stop making money on it as well as tracking page views. My stats on that hub have not changed in the ten days since they chose it, so I have concluded that my page views stop accruing now.

      Changing our dashboard without previewing it was a tad rude too. I'll stop now, you have covered most of it, and hopefully if HP comes here and reads your letter and the comments under it, they will get a sense of what we are asking (expecting?) and write back. TYVM for letting me be part of your circle and for being my friend.

      Mary

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      Well stated Bill. Like you, it was never about the money for me. I left Hub Pages over a "duplicate content" issue on a hub that had been published for over a year. I asked for a hint as to what exactly I supposedly had copied, but got nothing back from them.

      I too miss my friends on Hub Pages. Heck I even miss those who rarely or never agreed with me. I learned a great deal about viewing the world through their eyes.

      I now write for another website that pays very well, but that is work, not fun. I will be interested to see what sort of response you receive from Hub Pages.

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      CrisSp 3 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Excellent Bill!

      I've been away for quite a while...you very well know that this writer's office is at 38 thousand feet. However, let me be honest with you. Apart from my work schedules in the border of troposphere and stratosphere, I also get some earnings from writing on the side (outside HP) and it pays. Nothing compares to the HP community though and I surely miss you all good fellow writers, if only I could hang out more here. But, then again like you, I'm not leaving HP simply because I made some good friends here and I do enjoy reading their creative stuff. Having said that...I am only in a short hiatus; will be around hoping that this open missive of yours will be considered and that will be truly wonderful of HP!

      Now, thank you for this excellent hub and for speaking on our behalf.

      Love from the sky~

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poolman, I suspect there will be no response, but I felt better writing this. :) I'm glad to hear you found better pay somewhere else; thanks for taking the time to visit me and expound on this. Have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, you are missed but I certainly understand that life gets in the way. :) I hope to see you back here writing for HP; until that day comes, friendship will always remain.

      love from Oly

      bill

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      LaThing 3 years ago from From a World Within, USA

      LOL, Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful letter!! You tell them Billy......

      I don't have enough time to write now a days, so like you, I am sticking to Hubpages for now..... All because of the great community here. And this community is made up of writers! I enjoy the atmosphere, the comments, the friendship, the ambience..... It's a great place.

      I hope hubpages takes some heed here :)

      Take care, Friend!

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      Dianna Mendez 3 years ago

      There are those who wonder why there are rarely any cash contests, and why most of the praise is aimed at new writers while the veterans languish backstage patting themselves on the back. Oh heck, I could do on and on, but I’m sure I am not writing anything that you have not heard, and ignored, before.

      This says it for me. I am on hp because if the community, support and a chance to polish my writing skills. A little more cash for all the hard work put into making quality hubs would be nice. The recognition is good but for those long-time hubbers it is scarce. Thank you for being our voice. I hope HP can use this to provide a better community.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, believe me when I say it is my pleasure. I thank you as well my friend.

      I guarantee you that HP will read this. I do know they review new hubs, and I know without doubt that this will be seen by the staff. Now, whether they do anything about it is an entirely different matter.

      Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Lizzie, so nice to see you again. You are missed and I mean that sincerely.

      Have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend and thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, you and others like you are the reason why I am here. I refuse to switch to Bubblews.....I simply don't have the time for two sites and I am loyal to this site and my friends here.

      Have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend and thank you.

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      Anna Haven 3 years ago from Scotland

      Very well written and objective.

      I looked at Bubblews but it wasn't for me. You raise very valid and fair points here and hopefully your voice of reason will be heard. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Anna! That is my hope as well because I am tired of losing friends to Bubblews.

      Have a wonderful day my friend.

      bill

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      JG11Bravo 3 years ago

      Spectacularly said. I'm not exactly big news here or anything, in fact I'm one of those "new writers" you cite as receiving most of the praise (which is true, I've gotten mine.) Anyway, what it's worth I think you very concisely said what at least a significant portion of the community here would say if they thought anyone would listen.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      I was intrigued by this and certainly know the numbers of those having jumped ship to Bubblews. For me it is about time. I am busy with new pursuits but I can jam a few hours in at Bubblews and make some money. I have mad more there in one month than my entire time at HubPages. I get a certain amount coming in at Hub by doing nothing. You have built up quite a portfolio of writing here. and There is a special community of writers here. Thanks for writing this.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      JG11Bravo, we can only hope that this makes a difference. I want people to succeed here and I want them rewarded in some way. I don't think that is asking too much. Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I have no doubt that you are making more money over at Bubblews, and I wish continued success for you there. You are missed....thank you for taking the time to stop by here and for your friendship.

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      Liz Davis 3 years ago from Hudson, FL

      Right on as usual, my friend.

      I played this video and an ad for a church came up. Ha!

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      Jim Higgins 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      I never could make a nickel here because Google Adsense was so hard to deal with that I could not get an account. I always enjoyed the site a lot. Your writing and your friendship are important to me. I'm still planning a trip to Olympia for coffee with Bill. Great Hub!

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      Marie Flint 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida USA

      Thank you for writing this, Bill. Perhaps it will help HP, but I won't hold my breath.

      Personally, I'm thinking about taking some part-time work out of the home to make a little money. I was hoping to draw a little income from Hub Pages, but that just hasn't happened after 17 months. I so much would like to be paid for my writing, and not for clicks and ads.

      Voted Awesome.

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      Cynthia Lyerly 3 years ago from Georgia

      Just went to Bubblews site and was not impressed with the content. Hubpages is more about good content which is great for serious bloggers. So now they need to step it up in the payouts. Many of us have been loyal to this website for a long time now and should be rewarded. We do the lion's share of work for them!

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      Sheri Dusseault 3 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

      Well said Bill. I joined a little under a year ago and at that time there was all sorts of examples of people making pretty good money. These examples all seem to have disappeared now. I have been self employed all my life and am no stranger to hard work, but after a few months I realized I could work for a very long time and NEVER get paid. I worked very hard on my hubs, spending hours researching and writing and re-writing and editing and having friends proof so the final piece was professional. All of my hubs have been featured and I even won the Hub of the Day once. OK, I only have twelve hubs, but I am now pretty close to 10,000 views and have never once earned payout. I have to admit I feel kind of scammed. The community here is wonderful, and this would be a nice little hobby for those who have the time and don't want or need to earn. But, I don't work for free. I believe my work is valuable, and apparently so do almost 10,000 others who have taken the time to read my work. So Hubpages makes money off of our hard work and we pat each other on the back and that is suppose to be reward enough? However, there are several hubs I have written that I believe may make the world a little bit better and they are getting some good traffic, so I like to imagine some elderly person out there receiving a thoughtful and loving gift from a loved one who was inspired by my hub, or someone else who feels there is no hope for peace on earth feeling a little more optimistic after reading my hub about mobs...and that is not small thing. Still, I do hope the hubpages staff reads and responds to this. With so many talented writers taking there considerable talent elsewhere I wonder if the business model of Hubpages can survive. I also find their way of applying a score very silly. My score has been 100 sometimes and 88 sometimes and the only difference is how much time I spend on the community stuff. I think they may think of us as children who will get all jazzed over a gold star. Anyway, I doubt I will ever publish another hub, but I sure have enjoyed the community here.

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      Stephanie Hicks 3 years ago from Bend, Oregon

      Great job, Bill! I have found that my life is super busy these days with 4 active kids and re-engaging my legal career. However, I do love HP and have been here for 5 years. I don't write as often, but I have several hubs that have done very well and have managed to make me some money.

      With Panda, etc., my earnings on HP dropped dramatically. I don't mind sharing that I still get a regular payout every month, but it is about 10-15% of what it used to be in the peak. My earnings every month funded college savings for 4 kids with a little left-over for baseball tournaments or gymnastics meets. Now, I can barely fund one of my four kids' regular monthly contributions.

      I'm not blaming HubPages because Google is the ultimate culprit here. That said, it has to be worth my time and effort to continue to write. I love taking photographs and sharing my life experiences (whether travel, raising kids or living with diabetes). I take a minimum of 4 hours to research, write and format a new hub, usually over several days or even weeks.

      I looked at Bubblews, signed up, but am not impressed as it seems like a popularity contest and I just don't have time to spend on a single site for hours every day. I'd rather pop in and out and read/comment on articles by my favorite writers - like you, Bill.

      You are a very popular, influential member of HubPages. I appreciate your advice and wisdom on a broad range of topics, particularly where your compassion shines through - which is often!

      Just have to say, I didn't even notice that girl on the right in your opening photo at first. Then, I had to laugh out loud!

      Thanks Bill - you are a great friend and super person!!

      Happy Thanksgiving!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, I figured you needed a little religion. LOL

      Thanks my Dunedin friend...shoot, that name doesn't work now...my Hudson friend? Doesn't sound right.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jim, I'm sorry to hear that. I really am....but I look forward to that coffee and visit. :) Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marie, I understand. There are many writers who have to do the same thing and I'm sorry it is that way. No, we won't hold our breath, but it was worth a try. :) Thank you and best wishes to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      sara, you are right of course. The content is better here and writers work hard....I hope this little letter at least begins a conversation at HP headquarters. Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheri, thank you for writing all of that. I also likened the accolades to gold stars when we were in school. It is silly and insulting quite frankly.

      I was never here for the money; this was my public platform, a way to get my writing seen online, and it has served me well. I do, however, understand why others are upset and I think they are correct.

      Anyway, you are missed.

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Bill, you word statements most efficiently.

      Hopefully, some changes can be made to help those seeking to supplement their income.

      I wish that HP could be more appreciative of creative writers and their works. As you know, I rarely publish, but when I do, I get a note from

      HP telling me what I need to do to bring in more traffic. They cannot make money off poems or creative short stories because there is not

      much traffic to see the advertising.

      I have never understood why an article that is scored 86 points can drop

      to a disgraceful 50 points, then continue to the point of no longer being featured. Is the point of lowering the score supposed to inspire us to work harder? It 'tinkles' me off!

      I am here to learn. I read most all the comments from other's articles

      because I can pick up some good pointers. You school teachers, don't be afraid to drop some grammar points to those of us who have forgotten more than we care to admit. Who knew you are not suppose to start a sentence with a conjunction??!! I had to Google 'conjunction'. Now, I am a bit smarter.

      Bill, we have a good thing going here.

      You keep teaching, and I'll continue to learn to write.

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Steph, your word is gold here. I know how many views you have, and to hear that your earnings have dropped that much is unbelievable. Something has to be done and perhaps this letter will at least start a conversation about changes. That is my hope.

      Thank you so much for the kind words. The friendships I have made here are invaluable, and I cherish you as a friend. I hope your holidays are filled with wonder. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, it tinkles you off? LOL...thanks for a great laugh. As for conjunctions, if it works within your piece to lead off with one then do it. It's all about the flow my friend, and sometimes rules need to be broken.

      We do have a good thing going here; I just wish HP realized that.

      bill

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Bill - Thanks for writing this hub, and I hope HP administration reads it. Your well-deserved Best Hubber award may give you some clout with the HP team, and it's good of you to use it to benefit all of us. They certainly don't pay any attention to my complaints or requests, but then, I'm not the most prolific of writers on the site.

      I'm glad you mentioned the contests that were once a regular happening here. My best-performing hub, which is nearing 800 reads per day, would never have been written except for a 2011 HP contest because the subject area is outside my usual interests. Even though I didn't win a prize in the contest, it forced me to leave my writing comfort zone to produce an article that is now surely responsible for most of my HP income.

      Like you, I lament the loss of some good writers and friends from the HP community. If quality content is really the ultimate goal of this site, the staff should be doing something to keep the good writers here.

      Voted Up++++ and shared

      Jaye

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      Sheri Dusseault 3 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

      A little p.s. here...I also think it is just wrong that our earnings don't accumulate. We are all wiped clean of whatever earning we made each month and made to start over. But they get their cut, right? So think about it...month after month times how many hubbers who don't make payout...they get to pocket it? How is that right? I realized it would be a paper work nightmare to be paying out thousands of small payments each month, but why not let it accumulate until it reaches the twenty five dollar payout amount. Anyway thanks for getting this conversation going. I am going to share the hell out of this!

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      Chris Merritt 3 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      That is about as articulate as it gets. If hubpages is wanting better quality of standards and a more sufficient engagement of activity, then all they need to do is contact you and listen to what you have to say.

      I agree 100% with you. I miss some excellent writers on here, and I have lagged in my presence on here because of it.

      To me, it has not been as much "fun" as it was before the mass exodus of some truly great writers and commentors.

      I am not here for money, but I know many are. I undestand why the feel that way and wish Hubpages would understand why and accomadate them and make this place even MORE powerful than it has ever been.

      As always great job bill.

      Chris

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      Audrey Howitt 3 years ago from California

      Amen Bill--and thank you!

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      Randi Benlulu 3 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      You have stated a lot of valid and important points. It will be interesting to see what happens with this. I do want to say, however, that I personally do not understand the appeal with Bubblews. It is a superficial site where pament is based on "likes" and likes are not necessarily garnered on skill. I am willing to bet that the earnings will change there soon enough. Like you, I like Hubpages. I love the community and I a proud to write a hub and read as many of the thousands of hubs that I can. I know we have our differences on Hubpages assessments, etc. but I wholeheartedly agree that while I enjoy my accolades, I wouldreally enjoy a little more income. Thank you for putting this into words, Bill!

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, I sure hope the HP executives take this letter to heart. So many hubs appear on the first two pages of the search engines. That is indicative of quality writing. HP is compensated for our talent. Why not pass the buck? We deserve to see the benefits of our hard work. It kills me that Bubblews pays so well. Most of what I see there is pure crap. If Bubblews can pay out, why not HP?

      I have no plans of leaving HubPages, but if I could earn more here I would contribute more often and quit trying to find work (that I don't really like) elsewhere on the Internet.

      As a side note, I always wondered where 'billybuc' came from. Now I know. Also, who is the woman in the photo with you and Bev? I keep meaning to ask you.

      Thanx for speaking up for us my friend. I hope your letter gets the attention of those who throw us a penny or two here and there.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for weighing in, Jaye. I just want writers to be rewarded....that's all. I get my rewards in other ways but I am not oblivious to the exodus and the complaints. Maybe they will listen; maybe not. But at least they know how I feel. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheri, I do not know the rationale for not going with $25 payouts....I may never know. I just know that things are not right at this site and it is getting worse. For that reason I wrote this and I hope it helps. Thanks for sharing the hell out of it. :)

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Not one of us Hubbers could have said this better. I joined about the same time as you Bill and never received a dime, so you know that I am here because I love to write, but it would be nice to receive a bit of compensation and recognization. I will not jump ship, because I am also an avid reader and love my hubbing friends.

      In the quiz capsule, "What change would you most like to see at HubPages?" you could add "all of the above."

      Thank you Bill for writing this.

      Voted up +++ and shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Chris it is a shame that we have lost so many good writers. That is the only real reason why I am here...I love the community and I have received so much from writes like you and many others.

      Well thank you Sir and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Audrey, and thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It is my pleasure, Randi! Someone needed to say something, and I thought it would help if it came from someone who actually likes this site. I hope it makes a difference.

      Have a wonderful Thanksgiving my friend and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey, Sha, good morning and Happy Monday. That lady is Stephanie Hicks from Bend, Oregon, and she is a Hubber with five years under her belt.

      We can always hope, right? That's what this is all about, a respectful letter filled with hope.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Shyron; I'll make that change to the quiz. I had intended to do that but for whatever reason forgot. I appreciate your thoughts and loyalty to the community.

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      Marlene Bertrand 3 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Well said, Bill. You've covered all the bases. Like you, I'm here for the long haul. There are some amazing writers at HubPages and I enjoy interacting with them here. I wish I could earn more money here, but once I figured I'd only be making a few bucks at a time, I took my sights off the money and started using HubPages as a writing portfolio. I send prospective clients here to view my profile and read my work. If they see something they like and hire me after reading and liking my work, then I feel the site has worked for my purposes. That's working out well for me. Still, it would be nice to earn a little more income for the time and effort I put into publishing here. Perhaps, if I earned more, I might produce more. When I first came to HubPages, the attraction was that if I worked hard and produced quality hubs I could earn a sound income. After all, the writers featured on HubPages suggest it is possible to earn in the thousands per month. I got here and saw that wasn't the case and had to change my approach to writing here. I've written for other sites, but I enjoy HubPages best. The community support is what keeps me here.

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      Elizabeth Parker 3 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      I don't know how I missed reading this one, but I thank you for writing it. Though I've been here six months, I still kind of feel like a newbie and have yet to make a dime. It's true- I absolutely love the community and the combined talent, but writing 1500 words per day can be spent elsewhere such as bubblews or writing a book in which both will pay more. It's not all about the money, but... it is somewhat about the money. I hope they take your letter to heart and make some desperate and necessary changes. I love the professionalism of the hub pages format. I don't mind the hard work- but if bubblews has proven they can pay, and pay on time, then it would be nice to have that same platform on hubpages (or better)! Thanks again Bill. You went out on a limb and I think we all appreciate it.

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      Jeannie InABottle 3 years ago from Baltimore, MD

      I love HubPages and want it to succeed, too. I can't believe how many people jumped ship to go to Bubblews. I am comforted in knowing some of the Bubblews lovers are becoming disillusioned over there. It is not about the quality of the writing on the site; it is a popularity contest. I know a couple of writers have come back to HubPages (thank goodness!) and I hope more do the same.

      I personally wish we could lower the word count on here. The last hub I wrote (which was no great piece of literature in the least) was a bit of a struggle to write with the new standards. I preferred things when 500 or more words were encouraged. Now, 700 or more words is fine for some articles, but really pushing it for others. At any rate, that is my two cents on the matter. :-)

      Thanks for writing this hub. Voted up!

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      NMLady 3 years ago from New Mexico & Arizona

      HUB should promote us MORE. That would be a win-win-win situation for all.

      I have really slacked off at HUB because there just isn't any return on the work you do here. Everyone wants return.

      Thanks for the gracious forum and article!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, you and I write on this site for the same reasons. This is my platform. Everything that I write serves a purpose despite the lack of payment, If I wasn't writing here I would still be writing for the same purpose. Eventually all of this writing will pay off; not on HP but in other ways, and I am a patient man. I have a long-range goal and I will stick with my plan. I just wish writers could make a little money here since that is what is advertised.

      Thank you as always my friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

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      hyp 3 years ago

      Well said billybuc. Thank you for writing this hub. I hope hubpages staff will read this.

      Voted up! :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Liz, but it isn't much of a limb I'm on. If HP ends up not wanting me I will still write. There are many ways to make money writing; you named a couple of them. I just want fair for the good writers on this site. Fair would make me happy.

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      Thomas Byers 3 years ago from East Coast , United States

      I'm still here and still publish a hub now and then but I have moved on. I will publish more hubs in the future because I have come up with a niche I think might work.

      I write at Bubblews and earn about $30 every 48 hours. I have always been paid there and I'm very happy with the site.

      I am also now self publishing, doing Blogs of my own among other things. I also have a film production company now also that I did not have in the past.

      I am also seriously considering a run for the US Congress on the Democratic ticket for 2016 from here in North Carolina. Its something I've been thinking about for several years and at this time I plan to go for it.

      I've been with Hub Pages for six plus years and they did a lot of things they should not have. Some things they did they should have. I'm one of the people that still makes a few hundred dollars a month here at Hub Pages. Anyone can still do it but they need to do content that is green. Hubs need to be long with 1500-5000 words and they need to be well researched on niche topics. Poems which I love are never going to make money here. You need rich media heavy content and then you can make money. People who write 300 - 700 words are never going to see huge numbers. You need to do self promotion of your Hub Pages and don't depend on Google.

      I have Hub Pages that have over a million views. You can do the same thing but you will need to get niche specific and do your research.

      Billybuc you did a great Hub Page here. It gives you a lot of food for thought and there are a lot of things Hub Pages could do to improve Hub Pages. I've been around since the very early days of the internet and at one time ( not here ) I used to make a thousand dollars a day from the internet. So I do know a little. I have made hundreds of dollars a day from one Hub Page here. So yes it can be done. I think people need to stay with in the rules and think outside the box. Self promotion and social media is the secret. Google + should never have been removed. Searching an individual Hubbers Hubs should never have been removed. I wish every one luck and tell you to never give up. Have fun everyone. Again thank you Billybuc.

      I would love to see some one from Hub Pages staff post here. In this thread.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jeannie, your two cents is worth much more. Well said my friend. I just don't trust Bubblews but I understand the attraction. As for HP....1200 words on some subjects is a stretch for sure. Many magazines only want 700 words, a much more doable total.

      Thanks Jeannie. I for one am glad you are here.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      NMLady, well-said. A win-win situation for sure. I don't know why it is so hard for HP to see that.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      hyp, that is my hope as well. Thank you so much for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      crazyhorsesghost, it is so important that Hubbers read your comment. Money can be made here but this is not a get-rich scheme. It takes hard work and imagination as you said. There have been changes made at HP that just make no sense, and I think they need to reconsider their actions. Having said all that, I love it here. I make my money elsewhere but I love this community.

      Thank you for some wonderful thoughts.

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      fcmosher 3 years ago from Here to Eternity

      Yes, all true. Thankyou.

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      Thomas Byers 3 years ago from East Coast , United States

      Your very welcome Billybuc. I have always loved your work.

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      Linda Crist 3 years ago from Central Virginia

      I sure wish I had written this one. I could have, but not nearly aswell as you did. Like you, I love the community here at HP and have some friends here that I would not forfeit for any reason. The truth is, I would starve to death if I was counting on money from HP to feed me. After 18 months, 191 articles, active participation, etc, I have made one pay out, two "Editors Choice" designations, and no awards from HP. My proudest moment was when I received the Lollipop Award from my kindred spirit here on HP. That was a real moment.

      I hope the staff listens to you Bill. I can make more money with one 400 word article on Textbroker than I make in a month on HP. That, in my opinion, is shameful. Thank ou for speaking out for the rest of us. Standing with you anytime, any place, for any cause.

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      Marilyn L Davis 3 years ago from Georgia

      Good afternoon, Billy. I can only echo many of the other writer's comments. I appreciate you going out on the metaphorical short limb and taking Hub Pages to task for not sharing in the wealth differently.

      All of my articles were featured from day one; then two became Editor's Choice articles, and traffic dropped significantly. I quit writing here over the summer and only recently came back.

      Your articles are one of the reasons I came back. Since starting to write again, you, as one of my followers, have loyally commented and I am appreciative of that.

      However, we are not compensated for our writing or our comments, which I think is criteria for some other sites, and that needs to change. If our articles are good enough to make Hub Pages credible , then we should share in the rewards.

      Alas, I should remember my own advice though: Head up, ego down, and keep writing. ~Marilyn

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Way to go billy! that was amazing, and yes I totally agree with everything you said. Back in the day, hubpages was easier to write for, no such rules and regulations strangled us, and we seem to be able to write much better for it. And yes we do need the money, but its the fact that seeing the money hardly grow is the problem, okay, I need to write more hubs, I have been here for over three years and haven't hit the 300 mark yet, well I did, but i deleted some. But its so darn slow, and we do need the extra incentives, nice one, and voted up all the way!

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      Ghaelach 3 years ago

      WOW.

      Not a lot can be added to that what you have written Bill, except thank you for your words and lets hope those in San Fransico HQ will take the time not only to read your words of wisdom but to think about what you have written for the community as a whole.

      Ghaelach.

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      Mike Pugh 3 years ago from New York City

      Bill in my opinion I feel that the god honest truth about the Internet as a whole, is the online world truly sucks for most people, point blank (The numbers game is brutal online with Billions of users, and not all of us will get paid well). To me its all about money, the Ad's are everywhere and HP has fallen victim to the web of trust pretty much (Google got their huge content farm here pinned down into a corner). I know they are hurting here in a huge way, and it isn't because of Bubblews though, they are like a pin drop out here online compared to all the options. (I dig your thoughts on the competition though between both writing communities.)

      I think Bubblews has a great concept though, they are willing to foot the bill for us all to be able to achieve success together, something that Google has been doing for a very long time for all those who choose to use all of their 'free' platforms, well some of them are paid services, but you get my drift. (Youtube pay is tough too, just like Hubpages pretty much and many other Adsense style payment sites, affiliate Ad networks too)

      I love this article of yours here Bill, it shows that you truly care for the HP community. I don't think though that all of your writer friends have completely left HP. Actually there are many who still write here and on Bubblews. Then there are many who are like you and don't quite get the 400 character minimum thing, and just want to write much larger articles with intensive care as we do here on Hubpages.

      I do agree with you 100% on the fact that the staff may need to rethink the whole pay per click thingy for the Hubpages Ad payment program thingy. I'm sure though that they are working on something such as your suggestions to combats the huge decline in members here for sure. We shall see bro, great way to help them rethink things, if they have not yet got to coming up with a proactive plan of evasive action.

      Powerful Hub letter bro, this is why you deserved all them awesome awards. You are a true writer who cares for us all. Word!

      Oh one more thing, I love both Bubblews and Hubpages, they both play a different roles for my online writing career today. I can use Bubblews to write short awesome reviews now, that I never had to ability to do here and in the way I wanted. Writing and earning for just 130 words give or take is pretty cool too :)

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      Anna Marie Bowman 3 years ago from Florida

      I have been around HP for 5 years now, and I have to say, this pretty much sums up the feelings of a lot of Hubbers who have left, for a variety of reasons. I am still here. I have checked out other sites, and since I write mostly for the love of writing, I have stuck around. I have checked out Bubblews. Who says you can only write at one site, after all? I haven't made my mind up about it, but it doesn't seem to be a good fit for me. I like writing long content, and having more interest being on my writing, than on how many people I can connect with, or comment on. It somehow cheapens the whole thing. Maybe that's just me. Thank you for such a well written, and awesome hub. I hope the HP staff does read this, and that they take it to heart as they proceed into the future.

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      Victoria Lynn 3 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      I do hope they read this and shake on it! I like to write, but I have to make money, too, and it would be nice to make more with all the articles I have here. I've never had any intentions of leaving HP, but I do feel I should take advantage of every opportunity, such as Bubblews, when I need the cash. I've never let go of HP, though. It's a great writing platform and community.

      There used to be regular contests; I miss them. I would enjoy that, plus I enjoyed the weekly inspiration topics. I like your idea on "poet of the week" and other honors. The recognition would be nice besides driving more traffic for the hubber.

      These are all great ideas. I appreciate your writing it to the HP staff. I would be ecstatic if it makes a difference for all of us. :-)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you fcmosher....love your profile name even though I have no idea what it means. :) I appreciate you stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for that, crazyhorsesghost.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Kindred1 I figured it was about time to shake things up a bit. I don't want to be accused of being too complacent.

      With you standing next to me I'll take them all on my friend.

      Let's hope this at least gets a response from HP. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Marilyn, and thank you for stopping by and commenting. I am happy to support you; you are a good writer and I support good writers. Pretty simple formula for me, really. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, I totally agree. You are such a wonderful member of this site; it's a shame that people like you don't see recognition or money or just something....my God, we would all be happy with just something. LOL Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ghaelach, let's hope that indeed my friend. Thank you for weighing in and the WOW. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, as a five year member your comment and opinion are valuable....and they should be considered valuable by the HP staff. Without writers they would have a fairly boring day on their hands in SF. :) thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, I have seen huge changes on HP in the two years I have been here....and I just don't feel like those changes were beneficial to anyone but HP. Give us something....just something....that tells us that we are appreciated and valued.

      Thanks my friend.

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      Theresa Ast 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Hi Bill - Perfect, perfect, perfect, as only you could have written it. I agree with all the wonderful comments. I dearly hope they listen to your beautifullan phrasedletter. Hoping to get back in the HP saddle over Christman Break. Happy Thanksgiving. Theresa Sharing

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      Maria Jordan 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      What a strong community we have, Bill. These comments are as beautiful as you and your compassionate, logical responses.

      I am not sure I see an administrative response in this mix. How very disappointing as they should be aware, in tune and just as concerned.

      Thank you for always being such an advocate for what is right.

      Love, Maria

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      Dee aka Nonna 3 years ago

      This was not only an open letter to the HP staff, but a great tribute your all your writer friends who are doing a great job and not getting the credit they deserve. Brought tears to my eyes.

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 3 years ago

      Boy this generated a lot of comments. I have to add my 2 cents. I started writing here on a whim, have learned so much, and really do enjoy it. I have not minded the changes, although I have not been writing here as long as many people. My take on it is that they are trying to go with the changes in the industry and that it is their site so they can do what they want. They have to pay the bills too or none of us would have a place to write our hubs. I will also add that I would not be able to format my articles without their templates and suggestions on my own. I would not even know where to begin. I have been experimenting on my blog.

      Unlike some others, I don't do this to make a living, so for me it really is enjoyment. I will also add that I have noticed more hubbers writing hubs again and ones that had not written in a while writing again. That is nice to see.

      I do agree that the contests are nice and really spur people on. It would be nice to see one again.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, I agree...making money online is a tough gig on the best of days. I just wish the playing field was a little more level my friend. As you know, the money thing isn't my motivation online, but I want my friends to have a fighting chance and that's what this article was for.

      Thanks for your great thoughts. Have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, thank you so much. You have been missed and I look forward to more wonderful articles from you soon. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, I still have hopes that HP will respond. If not directly then through their future actions. Cross your fingers.

      love always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thanks Dee! There are so many great writers here; I just want them to get some recognition from the ones making money off of them.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Glimmer, the money means nothing to me as you well know. Everything you say is true; this is a business and we are given a great platform. As I said in the article, I love it here....but I also know some very good writers are leaving because of the money issue. If Bubblews can pay better then why can't HP? Anyway, thank you!

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 3 years ago

      I've often wondered if bubblews has some initial start up money or investors that have given some seed money and that maybe this is how they are able to pay so much right now. Who knows?

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      Lori Colbo 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

      HUBPAGES, I hope you will consider very seriously the things Bill brought up. I am on disability and I work very hard at writing. I absolutely love hubpages for the most part, but it is discouraging that I only make abut $10 (that's max) or less a month and the lack of recognition and acknowledgment to most writers is discouraging as well. Although I love HP more than any venue I have written for, I feel we would feel more motivated and encouraged if you acted on these two things. We humbly ask that you appreciate your employees tangibly in thsee areas.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I really don't know, Glimmer, but it is odd that they pay so much so often.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you lambservant. Blessings to you my friend and have a very Happy Thanksgiving. Maybe HP will get in the holiday spirit as well.

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      junko 3 years ago

      billybuc, you are a credit to mankind's unselfishness.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thank you junko! I really, truly appreciate that kind comment.

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      Barbara Kay Badder 3 years ago from USA

      I hope someone on the Hubpages staff finds this and shares it. I've noticed that few of the people I've followed here for years is writing anything new.

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      Marie Flint 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida USA

      I'm wondering if the owner of the HP site would consider making it a profit-sharing site by offering stock shares to active writers with decent hubber scores. Dividends could be paid quarterly, perhaps. Is this even feasible? Perhaps a modest price per stock would need to be set; then, instead of a payout, a hub writer could opt to spend his or her hard-earned dollar for a stockholder's share. That way, there'd be more hope of receiving a payment when that first $50 writing payout seemed impossibly far away.

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      Bravo! I have no plans to jump ship because I think Hub Pages is definitely a more viable, long term platform than Bubblews, but I definitely have significantly curtailed my activity here because with the limited time I have I have to go where I can make some money. Brilliant hub!

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Dear Staff & Management of Hubpages,

      Ditto....to what bill has just written...and AMEN! Thank you.

      bro....you're our Hero.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, I hope so too. I want us all to succeed here and not just the chosen few.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marie, I truly don't know. It's a wonderful idea, but I don't know if it is feasible or if HP would be open to it. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Very true, Mel! Few of us are independently wealthy and money will always be a consideration. Thanks for taking the time to stop by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Paula....you are a doll, Sis! Have a great week and a wonderful Thanksgiving.

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      sheilamyers 3 years ago

      I love writing here at HP and I'll be sticking around. I agree that more people would be staying around if there was a little more money or recognition. Speaking for myself, I'm not doing this for the money. In fact, I've turned off the adds on all of my hubs. No matter how many times I have great keywords imbedded in my hubs, the adds don't reflect the subject of the hub. I feel this takes away from the hub and is very distracting.

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      Melissa Propp 3 years ago from Minnesota

      You make a very persuasive argument for change, Bill. I hope someone in management is actually reading the hubs! Update or write an additional hub if you get an email or some sort of response. I'd love to hear how they might answer you!.Happy Turkey Day!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, so far there has been no response but I'll let you know if it happens. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm with you, Sheila. This ain't about money for me, but I feel for those who thought they might make a few bucks here. Thanks for your thoughts and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      ocfireflies 3 years ago from North Carolina

      Bill,

      I do not have anything profound to add to what already has been said other than, "Thank You." Thank you for being you. Thank you for being more than a writer, but a voice for all writers.

      Awesome Indeed!

      Kim

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Shoot, Kim, you are very welcome. I love this community and I want to see it better. Have a very Happy Thanksgiving and thank you!

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      PWalker281 3 years ago

      Well said, Bill. I've been here for over 4 years, have 5 Editor's Choice awards, used to get a $50 payout every other month. Now I'm bringing in a whopping $8 a month. I do believe the Panda and Penguin algo updates had a hugely negative impact on HP. My page views have dropped significantly. I was going to say something about the CPM being low, but that's pretty high right now. So in my case, it's clearly the drop in page views that explains why my income is no longer what it used to be.

      Anyway, I haven't written a hub here in quite some time and have been focusing on my blog instead. I've also checked out Bubblews but I don't like the look of the site. And who knows what changes may be coming down the road? That's what happens when you write for someone else. You're always subject to changes you basically have no control over and why I prefer to write on sites I host myself.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Voted up and shared.

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      Mike Pugh 3 years ago from New York City

      I vote that we call Simone Smith Aka Batman back to Hubpages to the rescue. I think that was when the straw literally Broke the Camels back. Then came the Bubblews Hammer of man over boards of sorts :) Just saying.

      She used to host the Topic Inspirations, and much of the contests, as well as manage all the other programs that seem to either be missing, lacking, or hushed to a very quite level of a hum maybe. Bring back the Hubpages Elite too, automation sucks! Haha!!

      Where did all the HP love go? LOL

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know where all the love went, Mike, but I miss Simone as much as you do. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PWalker, oddly my earnings have tripled and I have no explanation for it. There are mysteries to this site that I am not privy to nor will I ever be. I just love the community and want to see everyone do just a bit better in earnings and recognition. :) Thank you and your articles are missed by me.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I hope HP listens to your suggestions. So many of my friends are no longer here and i miss them. Maybe they all would come back if they felt appreciated. You write a darn good letter Bill. Thank you..

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Ruby! I miss them too. :) I'm glad you are still here. Have a very Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

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      Demas W Jasper 3 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      You and I are "old timers" with "loyalty to the firm" and "dance with the guy what brought you." Sadly that doesn't qualify us as modern day capitalists who, given no lasting security, must feel free to "jump ship and go to greener pastures." My two years of writing on HubPages did not bring in enough to fertilize the pasture I created on HP (something a string of accomplishment icons doesn't either.) Selling every article I write is a worthier goal....and achievable. I think I will concentrate on doing so from now on, while checking in with HP from time to time just to see if you threw a duster that wakes them up at the plate and keeps them on their toes.

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      Audrey Selig 3 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

      Great hub Billybuc. Your writing is so sincere and to the point. Thanks for writing. I don't want more money but to eventually become an expert at SEO. I don't know about the money here. The staff is reduced, and it is hard to know what is happening. However, no harm in mentioning it. Blessings. Audrey

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      catmalone 3 years ago

      Wonderful letter and I agree with you Bill. You couldn’t have said it any other way. I love hubpages and the community. I have been with hubpages for over a year now with 31 hubs and I still haven’t got my first payout which at times could be very discouraging to write knowing I’m just going to earn a few cents. If I made a little more with hubpages I probably would be motivated to produce more. Thanks for looking out.

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      Christin Sander 3 years ago from Midwest

      Awesome insights and I agree with your letter 100%. A lot of us do bubble and hubpages. I do a bit of both between work for clients and that pays my bills, but it would be nice to see hubs earn more than they do.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Perspycacious, love your comment. I sell my hubs, and use them as a platform, and some are incorporated into books I am writing. I have no problem whatsoever with HP but I do understand those who do have complaints...hence this letter. Thank you and best wishes to you in the future.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, I don't know what the problems are at HP but it is obvious something is wrong. I hope they figure it out because I love it here.

      Thank you and blessings to you as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      catmalone, your story is a common one, and since it is common it is worth noting and paying attention to. I hope things improve for you and many more like you. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It sure would, Christin. I feel for those who need this income; hopefully someone at HP will pay attention to this letter. Thank you for your insight.

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      PurvisBobbi44 3 years ago from Florida

      Hi Bill,

      I had to hold on to my computer desk, but I stood up and clapped for you and voted up++++. (I had Oral Surgery Friday and I am still weak.)

      I don't know what we would do without you---you are a savvy man who has a kind heart for his fellow writers.

      I wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving, with your love ones. My Aunt Dora is down south living with her daughter so we will not have the usual big celebration at her home this year.

      This is the first year I am going to have what I always wanted for Thanksgiving---All Beef Hotdogs---and I hope I can eat one.

      A country girl knows what is good. And Bill, thanks for writing this letter to HP, and I hope it helps. I do not want to leave either---but I get more traffic on my 13 blogs at Blogger.com---than I do here.

      It makes me wonder if traffic is being controlled on our side of the system. Maybe not---since I am not a computer geek. But I can take a computer apart and fix it---so my brain never stops wondering about ways it could be possible.

      Have a great Thanksgiving and thanks for listening to me---I believe these pain pills makes me more talkative than usual.

      Your Friend,

      Bobbi Purvis

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      AudraLeigh 3 years ago

      I do stop by from time to time to check in and see what's going on. It was nice to read your letter about HP, bubble news, and your concerns, and loyalty. You pe=resented everything well without being rude. Very proffessional/ 2 years already! I am proud of you!!!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audra, thank you my dear friend. You have always been special to me since my first few months here. I love our friendship and thank you so much for that friendship.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, I am laughing about the all beef hotdogs. You go, girl! What a great Thanksgiving meal. I have had cheeseburgers several times in past years and enjoyed them just as much as a turkey. :)

      I hope the oral surgery went well and you are feeling better. Thank you for shaking off the pain pills long enough to write your comment and best wishes.

      Happy Thanksgiving my dear friend.

      bill

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      Cynthia Calhoun 3 years ago from Western NC

      I'm all for HubPages, too. I love, love, love it here. But yes, I looked elsewhere because I needed the money. Not to sound mercenary, but I quit my job because I had faith that I would be able to make a shiny dollar on HP after a couple years...and for a free site, I suppose I make enough for the occasional electric bill payment, lol. But after 162 articles, I'd hope that I'd be able to do a little better for myself. If I got paid to write articles here, I would do more. Eh, like I said, I love it here, and I hope to publish again, but between teaching, grad school and this book I'm working on, it's all I can do to even get a blog post in, lol.

      Love your insights.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Cyndi! I think you speak for a great many people. HP has lost a lot of very good writers. I would like to assume that they know what they are doing despite all indications to the contrary. :)

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      Audrey Hunt 3 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Ah, gee - What's left for me to say? I agree with your letter and even found myself getting a bit emotional reading each comment. After 4 years on HP, you know, billy, how much I love this place. Yes, I love HP and this is certainly where my heart lies.

      But 2+2 is not adding up to 4. All my hubs are

      featured with eight of them being awarded "Editors Choice." I have to date, 656,541 views and still I have to "hop over" to Bubblews to collect a consistent, dependable wage waiting only 2-5 days at the most to collect.

      Enough said. I miss the "old days" here at my hubpage home. I love you Bill and all my precious friends who have found their way into my heart. ~ Audrey

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      Susan Holland 3 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Bill, you are our greatest advocate! Thank you for this well-written letter/hub that expresses so many issues we have collectively thought and wondered about.

      Writers have dreams, and yes, money is part of those dreams. I love HP's and the quality writers here. I love the bonds and friendships I have with other hubbers. I haven't written a hub in awhile, and yes, I have written on Bubblews. I have made more money there since August than I have made in my (over) 2 years here at HP's. I haven't completely jumped ship, though, but I am rethinking what I want to do with my writing. Bubblews is fun, but it is not a career. HP's has the platform, but will they use it for their writers?

      Thanks, again, for writing this letter of concern. I love HP's and want to see it succeed. :-)

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      John Coviello 3 years ago from New Jersey

      Nicely stated. Just so you and everyone knows, Bubblews or the rigid rules and changes have caused a lot of Hubbers to leave over the past year or so. This Hub is tracking the carnage at HubPages: Google attacks our Hub Pages (Do the math, numbers don't lie)https://hubpages.com/community/Google-vs-the-Hub-P... It's not pretty. Hubbers are leaving every day and the number of Hubs is dwindling. I am going to stick around here. I like the format and the community. I just wonder if there's going to be any here to stick around if these numbers continue the way they have been going?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, two plus two is definitely not adding up to four and it saddens me. I will not leave because money is not the issue for me, but I certainly don't blame those that have left.

      Your friendship is a treasure my dear. Blessings to you always and Happy Thanksgiving.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Susan, you are a perfect example of why this letter was written. I see excellent writers leaving HP because they have very little incentive to stick around and that truly does make me sad. I hope HP gives all of you a reason to come back. If so I'll be here to welcome you with open arms.

      Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Rock! I'm fully aware of the numbers and thus this letter. I won't be leaving but I have no problem with others doing so. I'm not HP for the money and never was, but I completely understand those who are....or were.

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      Kelly Umphenour 3 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Damn that was good!

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      Denise Handlon 3 years ago from North Carolina

      Bill, Thanks for writing what many of us have thought. You've expressed it well. UP/A

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      JP Carlos 3 years ago from Quezon CIty, Phlippines

      I'm one of those little guys you speak about Bill. I just hope this letter does not fall onto deaf ears. I choose to write here and I can leave anytime. But there's so much I learn from writers here. A little improvement will make a huge difference.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...thank you Kelly! I have nothing to add to that. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Denise! I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes it would, jpcmc...let's cross our fingers and hope it happens.

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      Susan Holland 3 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      You haven't gotten rid of me yet. LOL I am just on hiatus for a while. :-)

      I know I can always count on you, Bill. I think you have been the first one to comment on my hubs over the time you have been here. It was rare that you missed one that I published. That, my dear friend, is appreciated!!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And Susan, I clearly remember on my 3rd or 4th hub when I had first arrived you were there encouraging me. I don't forget loyalty my friend.

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      Crystal Tatum 3 years ago from Georgia

      Well, this one is a homerun, good sir. I think it's clear based on the comments that many of your peers agree. I would also add that I find it suspicous that some Hubbers frequently get Hub of the Day, sometimes only a few days removed from the last one. I'm not claiming these are not quality hubs, but it seems only a small fraction of Hubbers are perhaps considered, which is a shame. Excellent work and I hope the staff takes note. HubPages in my opinion is the best of its kind - I just couldn't get into Bubblews - but if it can't offer quality writers more incentive, there's really no reason for them to stay.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Crystal, thank you very much. I agree that HP is the best of its kind, but numbers don't lie and they are in trouble right now. It will be interesting to see what they come up with to save the ship.

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      Rebecca Mealey 3 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

      Well said, billybuc. You are right on the money. Congratulations for all your honors at HP and elsewhere. Be thankful this season for your talent as a writer. You are truly gifted. Blessings aplenty are in store for you, my friend.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Bubblews all the way now! Simple! I make money there.

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      Mary Kelly Godley 3 years ago from Ireland

      More words of wisdom from Bill and true certainly. I have had a look at BB and have thought about jumping ship too, like most writers I could certainly do with a bit of extra income. Just at the min I have a few kites flying so hardly have time to write Hubs. I wasn't too gone on BB when I had a look but it took me time to get into HP too. I did think that you don't have the same opportunity to really express yourself like you do here on HP but the allure of being able to afford to pay the bills in 2014 does have a certain appeal. Well said.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      rebecca, thank you so much. I greatly appreciate the kind words and blessings on you and your family this Thanksgiving.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, best wishes there. I hope you do very well there. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      writingowl, I certainly understand that way of thinking. For many writers the appeal of quick money is very strong. I hate to say it but I have no argument that can counteract it. :) Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Mary Kelly Godley 3 years ago from Ireland

      Thank you too for yours.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Congratulations on your Best all Around Hubber award. You're definitely a very talented writer & your hubs are informative & educational. Awesome letter, valid points you make. I have redeemed four times already on bubblews, but that site is not as good as hubpages. I'm going to start writing on hubpages again & I owe it to you because your travel article challenge series has inspired me to come back again. I wish I could make a passive income here, but my adsense account was disabled two years ago. It's good writing experience regardless. What do you think of the apprentice program? I've thought of applying.

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Hi Bill, who better than Hubber of the Year to represent everyone and take their combined concerns to Hub Pages management. There's nothing new I can say here to add to previous comments. I've been a member for four years but have only signed up for Adsense this month and was pleased that my earnings were now over $3.00. I never realised that they are wiped each month and don't accumulate. If you have to make a payout figure of $25.00 I will never get a payout, not that the money is important, to me but it does provide some incentive.

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      Marie Flint 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida USA

      If earnings are being "wiped each month," then why are my cumulative totals showing under Earnings/All Time? I think the "wiped out" idea is a misconception. Just because the totals don't show on your main account page doesn't mean they're not in archives and building. Check it out. If I'm wrong, be sure to correct me and I'll leave HP immediately.

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      agusfanani 3 years ago from Indonesia

      I certainly believe that this is a positive letter for both the hubbers and the HubPages Management sides. I think we all share the same hope that the positive values expressed in this letter will bring improvements and more success for both sides too. Thank you for the advocating letter in this nobble hub.

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      Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      “I’ve been around the Keynesian block a time or two.” Lol. (I loved the meaning behind that one.:-) ) Kudos, Billy. You’ve expressed my thoughts, and many others’ as well, perfectly. Touche. Thank you!

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      Petaluma 3 years ago

      Garbage in, garbage out. You get what you give. A basic life lesson HubPages is determined not to learn. Writers who create good content that draws traffic have retreated to their own websites, and those who can only produce crap have flocked to Bubbluews. What's left here are the dregs and inbetweeners, some of it well-written, a lot of it junk. Let HP management have their site full of recipes and "WTF SMH" hub-of-the-days, and a CPM that's slowly circling the drain.

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      Brilliant Billy my dear friend ;a great letter for sure. Voicing points seconded by so many hubbers for sure.

      I have strayed once but will never do so again. Even though I could do with more money I have to be honest and admit that I am not a member of this warm community for financial reasons .Money could never ever buy what I have ;through my writing I have found myself and all my dear friends helped me to come t terms with tragic events; now I simply want my story to help others and I am doing through this wonderful community. However I stress that I hope HPs admins will listen to this plea form you Billy or they may well notice numbers dwindling sharply. Thank you again my dear friend and lots of love from Wales.

      Eddy.

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      Duchess OBlunt 3 years ago

      Impressive letter. I have not visited HubPages very often in the past couple years, simply because there is no money to be made here. I will say though, that the community is probably the BEST. If I have something important to write about, this is where it will go.

      I have been busy with a few new ventures so have not been writing much - I don't make any money at it. I guess you could say I haven't been "discovered" yet - not that I've made much of an effort to be "found" lol.

      I will stay with HubPages simply because I think the format here is for the serious writer. I will also venture over to other sites where perhaps I can write less and receive more.

      I suppose that's beside the point. The point being - I like your letter to HubPages and I hope they listen. But in the four years I have been here, I haven't noticed they take note of our wishes.

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      Nithya Venkat 3 years ago from Dubai

      Great hub, speaking out for all of us hubbers. Thank you for writing this. I enjoy writing here not for the money but for the warm and friendly community of writers we have here. Moreover I get to read great hubs and fantastic poems that I really enjoy. I have stopped posting my poems here, I post them on my blogs and other sites who accept my poems!!

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      moonlake 3 years ago from America

      I agree with you espeially the part about everything is aimed at new writers while the veterans languish backstage. I have noticed on the All Topics Featured Hubs very few of the older hubbers are featured. I wonder why and how they pick the featured hubs. Voted up.

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      Gail Sobotkin 3 years ago from South Carolina

      Hi Bill,

      Well said, and I think the second poll, which at this point has 80 respondents, confirms your hypothesis about the main reason hubbers are leaving.

      Hugs,

      Gail

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure writingowl.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Doc, I don't know much about the apprentice program other than the fact that they turned down my application. :) I'm happy to hear you are coming back; we need more good writers like you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, it does provide incentive, and since we are making money for HP I see no reason why we shouldn't get a piece of the pie. Best wishes my friend and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marie, I truly don't know. I don't pay much attention to the earnings part of the program. I hope someone answers you who knows.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      agusfanani, you are very welcome. As of yet I have not heard from HP about this letter; that does not speak well to me.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Genna! I pulled the Keynesian reference out of the memory banks; I'm glad someone caught it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Petaluma, quite obviously you feel very strongly about HP. Thanks for your input.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, you and I are in the same boat and I like that. I don't care about the money; I do care about the writers. If this letter has no effect on HP I will keep writing; my passion fuels me.

      Blessings to you always

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Duchess, I have not noticed them taking note either but I felt I had to try. For money I have other ventures. This is where my heart is and my friends, so I'll stick around. Thanks for stopping back to read and comment.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vellur, I think you made a good decision posting your poems to your blog, and I'm glad you didn't leave HP. I appreciate you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know moonlake. I also have a problem with the HOTD.....there seems to be quite a few repeat winners of that....one who no longer writes here who has won it three times. Seems a bit odd to me. Anyway, thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gail, I would love to think that they are paying attention to this letter, but I suspect it is just another hub to hang advertising on.

      hugs to you my friend and Happy Thanksgiving

      bill

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      This is great! I hope they will read this, I miss many friends too! This is a wonderful place but it seems to be in spite of the management not because of. Thumbs up!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I hope they read it too, Jackie, but as of yet I see no sign that they have. :) Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you my friend.

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      Sheri Dusseault 3 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

      Oops...I need to eat humble pie. Another very helpful hubber emailed me that the earnings are in fact carried over. You need to go to my earning and then go to balance history. Thank you Susan Zulautas for pointing that out to me....it does make me feel a little better. Has HP staff contacted you about this yet Bill. What a ton of comments!

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      Amen! and thank you, Bill, for saying so well what many of us 'old-time' hubbers think about the current state of HubPages and the improvements they could make. Do hope the HP powers take it to heart.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheri no, I have not heard from HP.....thanks Susan for answering....I had no idea if it was carried over or not.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Hi Bill, thank you for saying what I'm sure many of us are thinking and feeling. I love it here, but writing hubs are very time consuming and while I'm proud of most of my work here on HP, I'm beginning to ask myself if it's really worth the effort. No one wants to work for nothing, once the novelty of seeing your work well presented and published has worn off, the questions begins.

      You've done an excellent job, I hope someone is listening.

      My best as always.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Hello, my friend.

      Can anyone else speak his heart better in behalf all of us as you did? Bravo! The number of comments speaks out, others could, in agreement with you and they all would do the same, following a "Leader ."

      For heaven sake Bill you're helping the Hub Page Staff and management to " spread their wings"... Plus they'll realize that they only exist because of the writers and would reward Hub of yours , encouraging others to write a " love letters" to them so they'll have chance for an annual award for improving image of HP by those who know ...

      Voted across.

      Be happy and blessed.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well drbj, we can always hope, right? In the meantime I'll just hang with my friends and enjoy life. Thank you and get ready for a great Thanksgiving.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I think that is a valid question...is it worth it here, or would you be better off submitting to magazines or perhaps having your own blog? Those are questions we all face in the coming months.

      Thank you my friend; I hope your week is progressing well.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael, thank you my friend. My favorite part of your comment was "be happy and blessed." I am sure you understand why. Life is such a gift, and I want to treat it as such every single day.

      Be happy and blessed yourself, MIchael.

      bill

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      Vickiw 3 years ago

      Hi Bill, glad you wrote this. Every now and again I think about writing a Hub, but then I decided they don't appreciate it anyway, or show no visible signs of doing so. Actually, sorry, they did show an 'editors Choice' thing on one of mine, but I'm not even sure what that means. Like all of us in the close gang that we are, I always love to see what my writing friends are up to, but somehow my writing seems better left for my blog site now. My friends are my reward, not HP. For financial gain I have to go somewhere else. What a shame, and contrary to their home page claims. I really dislike the new dashboard - don't know what they were trying to accomplish there. It is incredibly disappointing that they show disdain for all of us by not replying to your very worthwhile, civilised letter. Anyway, friends such as yourself and others are the gold in my life. .

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, I can only echo what you have said. My rewards on HP are my friends like you; nothing else compares to the joy I get interacting with all of you. HP can keep their money; judging from the fall in users they probably need it.

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      Lena Kovadlo 3 years ago from Staten Island, NY

      I have joined Bubblews at the end of July 2013 (heard about it on HubPages forums) in order to try and make some extra money. I love Bubblews mainly because I already made a little over $75 on there, which is about $25 in a little over a month's time. It takes me over a half a year just to make $50 here at HubPages. So for me, earnings-wise Bubblews is definitely a better site. But I love HubPages too because I feel that this site is a better quality site both in its content, in the functioning and user friendliness, and in professionalism as well. I will never leave HubPages as I've accomplished a lot here. And as long as Bubblews continues to pay me I will never leave Bubblews and will continue to write for them. I see nothing wrong with staying on both sites as this gives a higher chance to earn money as a side income. Besides, Bubblews is more of a short blog type site, whereas HubPages is lengthy content rich article type writing with an added bonus of being able to share poetry and creative writing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      lovebuglena, I couldn't agree more. Everything you wrote makes sense for anyone interesting in making money online. Thank you for your clear and logical thoughts.

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      Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

      The platform or audience for serious writing isn't in place at Bubblews. But they can still afford to pay out almost as soon as a person writes a few bubbles, which only need to be 50 characters long. If a person writes a longer article, it looks out of place there. But if they can afford to pay people who are writing little, personal blurbs about how they slept late and never got around to writing, HP can afford a lot more. They have a platform of good writers, whom they took advantage of since they stayed after the Panda algorithm. There's still a lot more writing here, you need to do creative work somewhere. And Bubblews isn't always reliable either, though when people tell their stories, it seems like their own fault; mostly they didn't wait long enough and the moderators couldn't handle how fast it grew. I still like to write "real" things, but haven't here in ages. I never made one payment from Google either, it's been "stuck" at around $96.00 for over a year. HP could go back to the split between us and the advertizers, they just don't care.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jean, I honestly don't know what is going on or what HP is thinking, but I know for a fact they are losing writers monthly. Their numbers are horrendous compared to a year ago, so whatever they are doing they need to change it quickly while they still have writers left.

      Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Karen Szklany Gault 3 years ago from New England

      Hey Bill,

      Voted UP on all counts for this hub (except funny). Great letterm and thank you for publishing it..

      Though I do have all of my published hubs featured and I am looking forward to a second $50~something payout, I feel a little like the rug has been pulled out from under me (still lots more time left before I see that $100 payout from Google).

      I've been writing for HP for over 4 years and I may be in a place now that some of the veteran hubbers were when I first started, but not receiving the pay for my work. I miss the contests for making a few extra bucks, but making more on a regular basis would be a good thing if that were the choice.

      Not sure if Bubblews would be for me...it might be too much like "starting over," and I presently have less time for HP than I used to. I would rather nurture the supportive camaraderie with my fellow writers here. So, my only choice now is to find a "real time" endeavor to engage in, both for love and a living. I think that the Panda and Penguin swipes have had something to do with it the present state of HP, but if the HP staff is making thousands of dollars off the hard work of their writers, it may be time to resolve differently in 2014, or even in time for Christmas (a holiday bonus for all of my hard work here would be lovely)

      Speaking of unions, I also belong to the National Writer's Union. Was more active when I lived in Boston, but now I attend some of their gatherings once in a while. :0) They do hard work to get writers paid. I haven't said much about recent "developments" (or "devolvements?") here on HP, because I had the sense that it was "me." Now I realize that others are experiencing the same frustrations.

      It used to be that publishing a hub would earn lots of traffic and raise one's overall hubber score (which I wonder whether there is a connection between the score and earnings?)...but now that does not seem to be true. Very sad. If HP is trying to get us to slave over hub after hub to the detriment of our offline lives, that is not right...especially if they are making so much more off our writing than we are. Hope that the compensation for having all of my hubs featured (and I have reworked all of them according to the new rules)...and that I'll see more traffic, and those clicks will be turned into income, especially since I have hoped that my writing hubs would help pay for the time I spend home-schooling my daughter.

      Thank you for your faithful friendship and support, Bill! Hope you are having a good week

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      Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      Eloquently stated hub. Another thing that is driving people off, is the constant changes. It was easy to get around on here and now, you never know what you are going to have to hunt; to find. I miss my graph too. I used it to keep track of how I was doing, compared to last year and the year before.

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      Mahaveer Sanglikar 3 years ago from Pune, India

      Great analysis. I hope Hubpages will surely think on your letter.

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      CraftytotheCore 3 years ago

      I too noticed a lot of people that I met on here when I first joined are no longer publishing. It does make me sad. It means less interaction with people I once interacted with nearly every day. It also means less people out there sharing, tweeting, pinning each other's work and getting HP known out there.

      I never tried Bubble, but I have heard very lucrative outcomes for lots of folks.

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      Michael Murchie 3 years ago from Parts Unknown

      I have taken any Hubs not making Views or money off of Hubpages, re-written them and made a bit of spare cash off them on Bubblews. Not huge amounts, but a lot more than they made here. That being said, I consider myself lucky that I get a payout from Hubpages every other month. Again, not a lot but it's mostly passive income.

      Will I continue to write for Hubpages? Perhaps, I have a few on the go at the moment, but the articles I can churn out at Bubblews have the potential to earn much more in the short term for very little effort.

      Does that make Bubblews better? NO, the quality of writing is not great a lot of the time, and the low character count hurts the site in my opinion. I have also come across some awfully homophobic content that made my skin crawl and made me ashamed to be human...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Seafarer, good to see you again my friend. I think I've said it all about HP. I won't start over somewhere else. I have put in way too much time and effort on HP. If they fold or become unbearable I will just move on to the next step in my five-year plan. It's just that simple for me. I love it here and I love my friends greatly, but I have no allegiance to the HP staff or management.

      Have a wonderful holiday season and thank you so much for your friendship.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Becky, the changes drive me a little bit crazy; it's not like I needed help in that matter. LOL Thanks for your views and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jainismus...I always appreciate your loyalty and supportive attitude.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brandi, I too have heard good things about Bubblews regarding payouts....I just refuse to start over somewhere else. This is where I started and this is where I'll stay until the rug gets pulled out from underneath me and then I'll move on and do my own thing. It will make me sad to do so but we gotta do what we gotta do. :) Thank you as always.

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Well said, Bill!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Zakmoonbeam, I love that last sentence. I have seen the same thing when I visited that site. Anyway, I think your approach is wise. The money is there and for the time being their site appears healthy. Best wishes to you and thank you for taking the time to comment.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you vkwok. Happy Thanksgiving to you!

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      Mary Wickison 3 years ago from Brazil

      You took the words out of my mouth, and said them better than I could have.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I doubt that, Blond, but thank you for your kind comment. I hope you are well. Blessings to you and yours this holiday season.

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      W1totalk 3 years ago

      This speaks to alot of people. I honestly felt I'd never make money through Hubpages, might never. It's good to see this account. People need to know their writing is for something other than just to write. Great hub Billybuc.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you W1totalk....it will probably do no good at all but it needed to be said.

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      Bill 3 years ago from western pennsylvania

      Well Spoken. I hope they listen

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      So do I, handyman...thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

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      JPSO138 3 years ago from Cebu, Philippines, International

      Hi Bill, there is nothing more I can add on what you have written. I admired everything and I am sure the the rest within the community as well considering the comments that this hub has gained for just a couple of hours after publishing. I hope that this hub will inspire and from there will create some changes for the benefit of everyone.

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      agusfanani 3 years ago from Indonesia

      I'm sorry for the typo I made in my comment above. It should have written a noble hub.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      JPS...thank you very much. I hope to see change but I will not be surprised if change does not come.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      agusfanani, it is certainly alright. Thank you!

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      truthfornow 3 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      Hope they are open to at least thinking about shaking things up around here. I think you said what needed to be said and in a nice way too.

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      Phil Plasma 3 years ago from Montreal, Quebec

      Indeed, spreading the wealth, even just a little more, would be nice. Thanks for writing this on behalf of all of the rest of us.

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      I've always admired you not only for your writing ability but for your honesty. This is a very honest, to the point Hub. Yes, we little guys would like to earn a little more. Hope HP listens to you, Bill.

      Voted UP and will share.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you truthfornow....we can always hope, can't we? Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phil, it was my pleasure. Let's hope it was not a wasted effort. Thank you for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, thank you so much. I do try to be honest....I played the game the other way for years and it just wasn't worth the effort or outcome. Happy Thanksgiving to you my friend.

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      Brian Loewer 3 years ago from Portland, Oregon

      Billybuc! I think you're single handedly slowing down the server there at bubblews. You're driving all this HP traffic there and all I'm seeing is a 504 error message!

      I'm just kidding, I'm sure you have no part in it, but you did get me signed up over there from this article of yours. I must say I couldn't agree with you more. It sure isn't as pretty over there, but I've been on it for a few hours and already made 5 bucks! Looks like I might be moving to the sty. Great Hub!

      -Brian

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brian, I hope you do well over there. I hate to see Hubbers leave but I sure understand it. Best wishes and thank you!

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      Heidi Thorne 3 years ago from Chicago Area

      I love the HP platform and find it a welcome alternative to the rigors (and expense) of running a professional blog. The tools and technology behind HP are free for us to use and we can potentially earn some money using them. (Plus, the community is awesome!) According to the documentation, hubbers earn 60% of the ad revenues. I guess the question is what do hubbers think is a fair split? Also, hubbers get paid when, and if, HP gets paid. So we're all in this together. I wish everyone here could make a whole lot more. But writing online is not a path to guaranteed income... only an opportunity.

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      Dolores Monet 3 years ago from East Coast, United States

      Congratulations on your Best all Around Hubber award! As an old timer here at HP, I've seen a lot of good people leave. Some of my favorite hubbers who wrote from the heart, engaging personal articles. But they were not making money. I decided after some time here, to write the kinds of stuff that I myself would like to read, figuring that I am not the only one who is looking for that sort of thing. It worked! My views increased. But every panda update slaps me down again. I can't blame HP for Google's algorithms.

      I like HP for the community, the easy formatting, and the attractive page layout. I haven't been writing as much as I did but that's for personal reasons (busy busy busy).

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      AJ 3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Hi Billy, I have written for hubpages for about a year. I have noticed you from time to time. I started writing here as an experiment. I have 29 hubs and each one has been featured from time of publishing. I haven't made a payout and don't expect I will for another year or more. My last post on hubpages was in July. I have a blog on Blogger and have almost 70, mainly poems, posted there. I have made no money there. I have never fit in here on several levels, but have great feedback and found a great sense of community on G+. Thanks for your article. Expresses some of my thoughts well. Good luck!

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      Joan Veronica Robertson 3 years ago from Concepcion, Chile

      Hi Bill! Just one word out of my newly learnt vocabulary! YEE HAW !!!

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      Comfort Babatola 3 years ago from Bonaire, GA, USA

      As always my friend, you spoke from your heart. And, may I say that you're right on key with my thoughts on hub pages and the way things are done here.

      Having been a writer on HP for over two years and never once did I receive an award or recognition for any of my hubs (And I know most of my hubs are up to HP standard), I feel as if my hard work is being exploited.

      I didn't consider myself a writer before HP. And yes, I have learned a lot about writing and have met a lot of wonderful friends here too, you included (love your positive take on life in general).

      Yes, I also write on Bubblews, but I'm still as active here on HP as I can be. Bubblews do pay better (yes, I have families back home in Nigeria that I can help with that), but the connections and friendships I've made here is incomparable.

      I just don't have the energy to whip out 1500 words hubs right now with all that's going on in my life. With Bubblews, I can zoom in and out with one or two paragraphs that'll earn me more than some of my hubs here on HP.

      So I'm hoping you got HP's attention with this one Bill. We all do need something to happen to bring the village back together.

      The Lord is smiling down on you Bill. Thank you!!!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, your words are very true my friend. As I stated before, the money that HP pays us is not an interest to me. I am here for the platform and community; anything else is a bonus. Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Dolores and thank you for your perspective. Panda hit me, but them for whatever reason I rebounded. I now make three times the income and I have no idea why....I just write for the love of writing and don 't worry about incomes. Have a very Happy Thanksgiving.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ajwrites, I suspect your comments echo the comments of many. It is not like the old days here at HP and may never be again.....but writers write...that's what we do...and we find income on other venues and in other ways. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Joan....Yee Haw to you my friend. Happy Thanksgiving to you and a hearty thank you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Comfort, I can feel that smile this morning and thank you. You speak for many with your words and your experience. If money is an issue then HP is not the place to be right now. Hopefully that will change. I'll just stay here and record the happenings and hopefully we will see changes soon. Thank you!

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I started reading the comments here then realized it will take me forever to read every single one of them. I did read about halfway through and it is evident that you do not stand alone! Naturally I agree totally with every word you said. Larry and I are retired and HP is not my sole source of income. That being said, I love it here! I love the writing, the learning but most of all the people.

      I have met so many wonderful people that have become dear friends, like yourself. I wouldn't trade that for a bubble or a dollar. However, I have written a few bubbles on Bubblews and the people there are as warm and caring as here, mostly because the ones I've met so far ARE from here.

      I truly hope HP takes you up on your offer of help and spruces up the perks for the writers here. Everyone looks for a little pat on the back. The Hubbies are a perfect example and your suggest of a small dollar reward is a good one.

      This is truly a site beyond compare for serious writers and it would be a shame to see those writers change every year and lose the loyalty and continuity we've been enjoying. We have been feeding off each other and in that process learning and supporting each other.

      BRAVO! You soar again sensei.

      Voted everything but funny and totally shared.

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      whonunuwho 3 years ago from United States

      Nice going my friend. whonu

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you whonu and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I sure hope they make it here because I'm not going anywhere else. Bubblews just does not work for me. If HP fails then I'll take my show to serious blogging....but it would be a crying shame if they did not make it My friends here mean a great deal to me.

      Thank you dear lady.....always appreciative of you.

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      I really cannot add anything to what has been said, and I am in agreement. I have visited Bubblenews and am not impressed with it. I am making money by writing for TextBrokers. Granted, it is not creative writing, and my name never appears on anything, but I have made several hundred dollars in a couple of months. Of course, that leaves less time to write on Hub Pages. My page views dropped from an average of 62 per day (nothing to brag about) to about 32 per day, and the number is constant. It makes me think the counting software is not working correctly. I make nothing from adsense I cannot really complain; I do not clink on random computer ads.

      I know much of my writing is about controversial subjects, politics, the economy, Obamacare, and other similar items which many people dislike and skip, and a few really enjoy. I have a few Hubs that have generated thousands of views in a short time, but when it all balances out I make about $55 to $60 a year. I am about to take my payout for the year.

      I do not understand SEO and all that stuff. I know I get more hits from Google than I do from Hub Pages, so I must be doing something right.

      I do not know how long Hub Pages has been around. I know a lot of the numbers of skewed. I have one person listed as a follower, who is no longer a contributor. I have not won any awards, other than the accolade for 100 best answers. I have had disputes with HP over what was original material and what was copied. I do not copy material. Sometimes, my oil and gas hubs are picked up by other publications with a link back to Hub Pages. Maybe that is wrong, but HP is getting some free advertising.

      I am not leaving Hub Pages, but I will be spending less time here. I do not like having to find three pictures for each hub. The polls are pretty much pointless.

      I do not have an answer. I do not know if HP is making money, breaking even or in the hole.

      I have two major problems with HP that I have stated before. There are Hubbers who never write hubs, but just try to hijack discussions. There are others that are abusive in their comments.

      I agree with everything that has been said. Unfortunately, I do not have a solution.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Larry, bless you for writing about controversial topics. Someone has to or how bland this society would be. I believe HP to be in trouble; whether they will survive remains to be seen, but I have enjoyed my time in this community. I have run across a couple of those who are abusive in their comments and despite my natural tendencies to mix it up with them, I end up ignoring them and letting them continue their unhappy lives without interference from me.

      I wish you well and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

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      Madeleine Salin 3 years ago from Finland

      Hi Bill, I'm sure HubPages is going to listen to you. I have not left HubPages and I'm not going to. I wrote for Bubblews for a week or two... The reasons to why I haven't been around are many, but it has nothing to do with HubPages nor their members.

      Hopefully I'll be writing for HubPages soon again. HubPages needed this hub. Thank you for writing it, Bill. :)

      Hugs, Madeleine

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      Susan Ream 3 years ago from Michigan

      Billy, Bless you for boldly hitting issues right in the bulls eye for the little guy. The variance of pay with hubpages is distressing to me. Just when I begin to make money - the rules change and I go down to penny's again.

      Recently Hubpages changed their criteria for writers. For years I have been rated in the 90's, even hitting 100 a few times for my author's score. The author's score may not pay but it does affirm the writer and it did encourage me. My author's score has gradually gone down down down and now I am an 89. It would be helpful to me, the writer, to know what has changed.

      I agree with you about highlighting all the new writers when there have been countless hours put in by long time writers whose loyalty and commitment to hubpages seemingly fade to the back.

      Appreciate your straight forward attempt to talk to our hubpages staff. I admire you!

      Mekenzie

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Made, it is always so nice to see you...thanks for stopping by and thanks for the hugs. I hope to see you writing soon.

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      Liz Elias 3 years ago from Oakley, CA

      Well said, Bill!

      I've been here 4 years, but did not enable adsense until about year 2.5. Even so, I've never seen more than pennies. It's a rare day when my daily earnings crack the $1. mark; I average about 70 cents a day. That means I see a payout only about quarterly. I could, indeed use a higher payout rate to help supplement our fixed income.

      Thank you for writing this: I do hope it gets noticed by staff.

      Voted up, interesting and shared.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 3 years ago from Norfolk

      Billy,

      Now if there ever was a Hub which deserved a Nomination for an Editors Choice Award - this is the one. I would like to suggest that every person who has commented on this page do the same - that way a real human being will definitely read it.

      I for one - could do with a few more pennies - I love writing on HubPages but even I can't afford to do it indefinitely for so little financial reward.

      I really hope this one gets noticed by HubPages Staff. I salute you for your courage to say it how it is.

      Voted up

      Sally

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      Suzanne Day 3 years ago from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

      Thanks for this open letter. I would like to see Hubpages develop a base quality, so that writers can depend on getting the income they deserve day in and day out. It would then be up to the writers to produce the quality and content needed to get traffic. There are lots of poor hubs on here that could drag the site down.

      It is quite hard to work with glitches, traffic stats not updating frequently and other issues as you don't know what effect (if any) of changes you make and it can be hard to compare without waiting months.

      Hubpages is a great platform and has an interesting community. All it needs is steady base work which means that the sorts of hiccups with have people up in arms and feeling funny about Hubpages are removed.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mekenzie; I suspect this will do not good whatsoever, but I felt better writing it. LOL I appreciate your kind words and I wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, hope springs eternal or so I am told. The payout is ridiculous and almost an insult to a serious writer....I understand that HP can pay whatever they choose, but when they have paid well in the past and then suddenly the bottom falls out, it would be nice if it were explained to the writers in detail.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, it really didn't take much courage because I don't care what HP thinks about me or my opinion. I just want them to hear what so many writers think.....I will always have a place to write, so upsetting them is the least of my concerns. Thank you for your kind words nice lady; you are appreciated.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I love your idea, Suzanne. A base pay of some sort, and bonuses based on quality and production...I could live with that being of a competitive nature. :) Thanks for your thoughts; hopefully HP will get around to reading some of these comments.

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      C L Grant 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      Many thanks for expressing these sentiments so eloquently Bill.

      I've quickly scanned through the comments and didn't encounter a comment from any HubPages staff. Consequently, I can only surmise that ignoring accomplished writers, such as yourself, is still the order of the day over here at HP!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marketing Merit, I'm afraid that is the order of the day. Thank you for your kind words.

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      Nell 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Well Bill I think Bubblews is a social crap ! No one reads what someone posts there except if it's something funny or seriously sick. You can't be sure of a payment every month unlike hubpages and you have to beg for your money. Well I get it what you want to say and I hope hubpages comes up with a way to increase the output ! :) fingers crossed !

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genius, thanks for stopping by and sharing your views. I have serious reservations about Bubblews; suffice it to say I won't be going over there in this lifetime. :)

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      Ann Carr 3 years ago from SW England

      You've said it all for us, bill! How good it would be to reward our loyalty. It's the same with insurers or banks - lots of incentives to join them and then loyalty is never rewarded. I'd like to see awards for the different genres of writing and, of course, a few more pennies for our perseverance. As for you, my presence here continues because I enjoy it, it gives me great writing practice and I've made so many friends. The feedback is better than any critic.

      I wonder if they will take any notice?! Hope so. Have a great weekend, bill! Ann

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, I am quite certain they have read this; I am also quite certain it went in one proverbial ear and out the other. :) Oh well, I have some wonderful friends here and that is a gift that keeps on giving.

      Thank you, Ann, and I hope your weekend is memorable and restful.

      bill

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Bill: I hope you emailed a copy of this article to the team, because they need to read it. I still write here a bit, but right now I spend most of my time on Bubblews and my new blog. I never did that well here, and my HP income grows worse as time goes on, despite the fact that every single article I write is featured almost immediately. I'm at the point with all of this stuff that I may just stop writing altogether online...It's a lot of effort with very little return. I think HP is a great site and I have learned a lot here. It has great potential, but unless Google gets off its back, I fear it will never be able to move forward in a meaningful way. Thanks for writing this old friend...I think it took a lot of guts to do so.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Timetraveler, I am sorry to hear that you might be moving on, but I completely understand. Oddly my income tripled here in the last month and it makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not doing anything different from the first 22 months. Go figure! I wish it were easier for writers like yourself who put in the time and write quality articles. Whatever you decide to do, best wishes to you, and thank you for your friendship.

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      I was just notified today that Hub Pages was making a payout to me, about $53. I always knew the minimum payout they would make was $50, but I did not know it was being done automatically once you reached that threshold. Several things have been mentioned here that have all happened to me. I use to have an author score in the upper 90s and sometimes hit 100. I have been stuck at 88 for about two weeks. I once was a level eight commentator, but because of illness, I was out of action for a while.

      I am now down to level 6. I was averaging 62 to 70 views per day (not fantastic) today I am in the lower 30a. I have about 135 feature Hubs. I only had one held up for an unknown reason and one where there was a question about duplicate material. I have pulled a few hubs over the past two years because they were dated, or I did not like them.

      I do not know how to attract followers. I have more than 300, but have no idea how to attract 1,000. I know I can follow someone and ask them to follow me, but I cannot keep up with the work of 1,000 people, so I do not try to pile up people to follow, just so they will follow me.

      I have said this before. The forums are pointless, because of the way they are formatted, unless it has changed, it is almost impossible to keep tract of who the response is directed to, or if it is a new thought.

      The question section is being overwhelmed with pointless questions. They are also being turned into mini-forums with the ability to comment and then comment on the next answer.

      I do some Hub Hopping now and then, and recognized that many of these new Hubs are penned by inexperienced writers. Some are very good. There are others that should never be published. They are clogging up the system.

      After reading all the previous comments and adding my views, I have concluded that Hub Pages is collapsing under its own weight. There are too many Hubbers writing, making it impossible for other members to keep up with all that is written.

      We depend on Google to feature our Hubs, but we are not ones seeking to be in the top few of a Google search. I am not leaving, but am cutting back. I find Bubblenews a poor substitute. There are writing opportunities to make money, such as Text Brokers, do not offer too much room for creativity. Writing my own blog would be pointless, because I would have the same issues of getting it promoted as I am having with Hub Pages.

      No pun intended, I think the days for Hub Pages are numbered.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Larry, I have very little to add to your comment, which was extensive and welcomed. If HP does not find the answers soon I suspect you are right on with your prediction. They are now down to about 75,000 writers; at one point it was much, much more than that, and they are losing them weekly. I am not impressed with Bubblews and I suspect that site will fold in the next few months. There is something there that I cannot put my finger on, but it just seems like a scam to me. I hope I'm wrong for all the friends I have who now write for them.

      Best wishes to you. I don't have the answers, but I will be sad if HP does disappear.

      Thank you for an excellent comment....by the way, you won't catch me anywhere near the forums. :)

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      Nell 3 years ago from Netherlands

      In one of the recent Hubpages developments, Hubpages is rolling in the mobile version with better ad support so you might expect an increase in you earnings and also the recommended articles will be from the same hub owner which the reader is on, so altogether hubpages is trying to entertain the mobile audience too. Hopefully the mobile version comes out soon ! :)

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      If HubPages is going the mobile route, they are going to have to change their suggestions about having three pictures and maybe a poll or something like that plus over 1,000 words. My Android based telephone was stolen when I was in the hospital in July. I am using an old Blackberry that cannot handle that amount of copy and artwork. I have no interest in trying to type comments on a telephone keypad. If HP does go that way, I will definitely say so long.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genius, I had heard that too. It will be interesting to see how that goes. Thanks for the update.

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      kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      I hope that HP will read your hub and all the comments. Obviously you hit on the nail on this one when I see the volume of comments. At one point over the end of the summer, I started to move two of my hubs to Bubblews. Those hubs were not featured anymore because of lack of engagement. My problem is that some of the projects that I present are quite seasonal and they each have their peak somewhere during the year. But I must say I like the community in HP and I stopped moving my articles.

      I didn't want to argue with the people at the top because I think they are almost too removed of the reality of the writers. I also think that on the Web things change fast and I am confident that one point things will change :-)

      Have a nice weekend!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Larry, I hope I'm wrong, but my guess is HP won't be around by this time next year. I hope I'm wrong. Thanks again for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joelle, I hope that your last statement is true because I love it here. This is the greatest community online for writers.....and you are very correct that the seasonal ones will catch fire year after year....I hope you hang in here and see some rewards soon. Thank you!

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Bill: With regards to your comments about Bubblews, let me say this: They have been successful because they do not depend on Google, but rather on their own community. They get around 6 million visitors a month and writers are permitted to click on ads. Advertisers pay big bucks for the exposure they get, and Bubblews splits the income 50-50. That's how they survive. However, once you write an article, it belongs to them, so while the money is good, placing work on that site that you might want to keep and use elsewhere is not a good option.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good information Timetraveler. I hope many writers find success and financial reward there for many years to come.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Who knows, Bill? As my husband advised me, "Ride the horse until it dies"! That's why I'm still here ate HP also!

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Bubblews does not own our work. We can deleted posts at any time which I have done multiple times.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Okay...well, thanks LInda.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Timetraveler...who knows indeed.

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      Nell 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Bubblews retains the meta data of an article for a prolonged period driving traffic to deleted pages instead of your moved articles. Scary but true.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      LindaSmith When you delete an article from Bubblews, you owe them money, my friend. Yes, you can delete, but the proceeds you earned also get deleted. Delete too many and they can come after you for the money they paid you, which is why I never delete. Furthermore, finding older articles is nearly impossible.

      Geniusknight I don't understand what you mean by this. Please explain.

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      Metadata, which includes the Meta Tags we use to use before SEO became the catch word, is the data that search engines still check. Thus if the meta data is retained, and someone tries to find an article, which has been deleted, then they get a blank page. Think of it as having a hub, deleting the copy through the edit mode, but retaining the headline and the link. If you do that on Hub Pages, they will eventually delete the link and the underlying data. I do not know what Bubblenews. I have tried it, but have not been impressed by it.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      TimeTraveler: The same happens on HP! Your number of views change, your earnings drop, etc, etc, etc. They definately need to improve searching. Try searching for a topic, older article, etc on Squidoo.

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      Dee aka Nonna 3 years ago

      This has become an amazing discussion. I had to come back after so many wonderful comments begin to show up. I know that I am not anywhere near as good as most of the writers on hubpages, and I know that there are hubs I need to update, etc., and I will. I am still struggling just a little with getting my motivation back after being ill, but little by little I am getting there. I love the craft of writing....the joy of writing....the therapy of writing, and one day if I live long enough I might turn into a really good writer. In the meantime, places like Hubpages provide a good platform to learn and grow. I am hoping that what is being said here will help the HP staff try to come up with reasonable option s to help their writers succeed.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Larry Wall: When I delete a hub, I always ask Google to de index it, and they do this fairly quickly. Does this not remove the article, the url, the data et al from searches?

      Also, as I said, I never delete on Bubblews because there is nothing there I would want o keep or use elsewhere. I use that site as a repository for all of my articles that just didn't do well on HP and Yahoo. That way at least I make some money for them, and so far I've made $520, so it's been worth it for me. I do also throw in some quickie articles, but there's no point in deleting those as I'd never use them elsewhere.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genius, very interesting and yes, a bit scary. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you timetraveler.....I hope you are having a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Larry! I hope you are enjoying your weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, as I said before, best wishes on Bubblews.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dee, this seems to have become a forum all of a sudden. LOL I'll be glad to see you writing again. It is therapy and it is fueled by passion, and those two things can never be bad reasons for writing. Best wishes to you and again, thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Timetraveler, thanks again for sharing your expertise. I'm glad Bubblews is working out for you.

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      This recommendation and solid reasoning cannot hurt, no question about that. I'll take a little extra cash. I was never selected for the apprenticeship program, I'm assuming because it was felt that I didn't need it. Money talks...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, there is no doubt that money talks. Anyone who doesn't think HubPages is a business is living in a dream world.

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      ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

      Awesome communication Bill!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you ziyena. Too bad nobody in management felt like responding.

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      Vickiw 3 years ago

      Well Bill, as they jump all over anything that might be considered "self" promotion," and are so stuck on their perception of "quality Hubs" I am also quite sure they are very aware of your letter. Pity they aren't so aware of plain good manners - responding to a letter. Maybe because everything you said is true?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know, Vicki! I am a bit disappointed in them for not answering, but I'm sure they have their reasons. :) Thank you my friend. I hope all is well with you.

      bill

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      ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

      Ah Bill ... as in all corporations, we the little who tow the line are just that ... last in line. HP must realize the old addage 'what goes around comes around' surely does ...

      Thanks for your effort in being our voice!

      Hugs

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ziyena, I think they are starting to realize that. Their numbers have fallen dramatically...they are down to 75,000 writers, losing over half in a year. It is time for a change.

      hugs back at you young lady

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      AJ 3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      billybuc, I forgot to to share last time I read your Hub. I shared this time. Thanks again and good luck!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ajwrites, I appreciate that very much. Thank you and have a great weekend.

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      NMLady 3 years ago from New Mexico & Arizona

      I have been following this with a great deal of interest.

      On further thought, HUB seems to be the latest example of the developers doing what they do which is innovate and develop and then move on.

      The new directors are management not leaders. Leaders would respond to you. Leaders would still be innovating.

      Still, a leader iseither empowered or not to lead by the organization and maybe the innovators/creators of HUB will not allow them to innovate?

      A leader that is inhibited by the organization they work for either moves-on or goes into hiding and functions on a low level which would mean they are not empowered and actually too cowered to respond.

      Thanks for the conversation starter!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      NMLady, you make some very interesting statements, ones I happen to agree with. Simone left a few months back; she was an employee of HP that everyone loved, and she was constantly working to improve things for the writers. I wonder why she left???? Hmmm

      Thank you for a great conversation starter too.

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      NMLady 3 years ago from New Mexico & Arizona

      billlybuc, It is a sure sign of good management when responses are made! I have been converted to a lifelong promoter and fan of the FB sites that DO respond: WinCo Foods writes me back promptly every time! America's Test Kitchen is also very kind. Biad foods too! Trader Joe's is pretty good too! Dukan Diet responds every time...once got a verbal spanking for posting a recipe BUT they kept it on the page, I think the response was viewed as wrong by the page!

      Anyway, keep warm! It is cold nearly everywhere today! (woke up to 34 degrees in AZ!!!!~water freezes at 60 here you know!)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      NMLady....LOL....my goodness, that is a bit chilly for Arizona. We're at 27 this morning with tiny flakes falling. Anyway, I love your point about responses....points that have escaped HP for whatever reason.

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      Theresa Ast 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Bill - Did anyone from HP management ever respond to your incredibly "civil" and well written letter? Theresa

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, in a word....no! :)

      Have a wonderful weekend my friend.

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      Marcy Goodfleisch 3 years ago from Planet Earth

      Just now found this after reading your comment in the Petitions thread - as you know, Paul mentioned the staff had read this hub. That's good news. I think what you wrote, as well as the comments here, shows there's a need for more validation for good writing. I'm not sure how that would ever work financially with creative hubs, but it does sound like the writers here want more interaction of some sort with the site.

      BTW - I don't place blame with HP for the decline in views or earnings - we are all feeling the impact of Google's changes.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Marcy! I'll have to re-read this; I don't think I blamed HP for a drop in earnings or views. I do blame them for sticking with the status quo while the ship is sinking, and for not being responsive to suggestions. For the record, my earnings are up 400% and I love it here at HP. I was writing this letter for those who are jumping ship because of the lack of earnings and feeling of not being heard.

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      BonaguidaBrandon 3 years ago

      It remains to be seen whether?O.F.P.S.?will be able to provide the requested agreements with the relevant foreign collecting societies as evidence. If that proves impossible,?O.F.P.S.?will be left only with the statutory presumption of the authorization to act on behalf of?Serbian?producers of phonograms. Here,?O.F.P.S.?may run into another difficulty. The first-instance court said in the quashed judgment that “drawing an expert report on the share of the use of phonograms in comparison to the rest of the festival program would be almost impossible, i.e. unreasonably burdensome, having in mind that the festivals in 2007 and 2008 lasted four days each, with tens of thousands of different songs performed at different stages”. The task of establishing which portion of the phonograms communicated to the public in 2007 and 2008 was produced domestically would be, if anything, even more daunting.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Dr. Holland.....I am so sorry. Apparently I left the door to the Flight Deck unsecured. This will not happen again. Nurse Feelgood

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      I will offer an example regarding this issue and you can take it for what it is worth. I wrote a Hub on Jan. 31, 2014 and today is Feb. 1. In that Hub I announced I was taking an extended break from Hub Pages, for reasons I will not repeat hear. I did state, I was not following the HubPage format of three pictures, a video, multiple text capsules, etc. Shortly after submitting it, I saw the dreaded empty circle next to the Hub on the account page. So I went back, added two meaningless pieces of clip art, broke the copy into multiple text units and added a video which consisted of a still picture of Roy Rogers and Dale Evans with their theme song, "Happy Trails," playing in the background. I did change a sentence where I had previously announced I was not following the HP formula for formatting Hub by adding that I was now following the guidelines.

      That same Hub, same words, same headline, etc. is now a featured Hub.

      That tells me that actual content is not evaluated, but only the number of objects on a page. Books often do not have pictures and the same is for some magazine stories. HP needs to re-evaluate the methods it use to evaluate Hubs.

      The prior two comments showed up in my notification file. Since this Hub has some of the reasons I am taking an undetermined leave, I thought I would offer these comments.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      BonaguidaBrandon, thank you although I'm not sure I understand your message.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, you do make me laugh. I need some of that feelgood today; could you FedEx some to me please? LOL

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Larry, I appreciate your comments and examples. Any of us who have been on HP for some period of time probably have similar examples. Oh well, I'm just here for the community aspect and to build my platform for ebooks, so HP can do whatever they want. Thank you!

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Sending you a little sunshine from Florida.

      Close your eyes and feel the warm sand under your naked feet. The surf is gentle and the tropical breeze is softly tossing a few hair away from your face. It is 80 degrees and the sun is beating rays of warmth on your bare skin. You can taste the salt on your lips as beads of sweat rise on your upper lip. Every muscle is soothed by the warm sand under your blanket--and when you move, the sand caresses your body. The mind begins to relax and the heart beat slows. Bev reaches over and takes your hand. All is well in your world.

      Compliments of sunny Florida and DJ.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      So very cruel, DJ. And I thought we were friends. LOL

      Actually this has been the winter that wasn't here in Washington. If we don't get some normal weather soon we'll be seeing drought conditions this summer. Weird, weird weather my friend.

      Having said all that, warm weather sounds delightful right now.

      I hope you are enjoying your Sunday; the big game is about to begin.

      bill

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Hi Bill, this is by far one of your best, but I still wish you would add, to the poll, What change would you most like to see at HubPages? 'All of the above.'

      As I said a couple of months ago, I don't plan on jumping ship, but! I will leave it at that.

      Your friend DJ Anderson, has a torturious streak, lol. I have a friend who lives near you, and she would get a kick out of your friend's humor.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Shyron, I'll stick it out here because of people like you; as for DJ.....a nasty sense of humor for sure. LOL Thank you!

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      Vickiw 3 years ago

      Hello Bill,

      Still waiting . . .and waiting . . .and waiting for a reply to your letter! Maybe you haven't had enough comments yet?

      Keep up the good work.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, I think we will see the day when pigs fly before we see an HP response.

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      Nadine May 2 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      You said it all in this letter to them, but has it made any difference? So you never got any response? That is shocking!

      You wrote this article last year! I never knew about your Best All Around Hubber Award. I'm sure this award will be yours this year - 2014

      I'm at bubblews as well. I'm not in anyway a fast earner there, but that is because I prefer to write proper articles. I meet a lot of people who are truly struggling financially, so I tell them about Bubblews.

      I also occasionally write for Wikinut, but so far I only have 11 posts because I seem to favor hubpages. Money wise. I would love to earn from my articles. So far I think it will take me at least 1000 articles before I can truly say that I have created a passive small income from it. So I have 937 posts to go....Do I truly feel that loyal to Hubpages in order to do that? I'm not sure...

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      Mary Hyatt 2 years ago from Florida

      I loved your letter, and wonder if HP ever responded to you about your concerns. I have no complains about HP. I know I could be earning more from my articles if I updated them and worked harder to produce more Hubs. It is just so time consuming to write a Hub worthy of Mr. Google finding it. I'm still on Bubblews, and have no complaint with them, either. They have never missed a payout to me, and they give me the opportunity of earning a few bucks each month, and the site really is fun to write on.

      I'm sure you are aware that HP has now acquired Squidoo, and I'm anxious to see how that plays out.

      Voted UP, etc.etc. and shared.

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      Fantastic letter! I can't wait for you to get a response from HP so you can share that with us!

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      JamesPoppell 2 years ago

      Thank you Bill for writing this hub, and thank you mary615 for sharing it with us this morning. Bill, I do not see how this hub can be any more perfect. It is clear, concise and to the point. Furthermore, I cannot fathom why you have yet to get a response from HP. Like you, I am not here for the money. I like Hubpages for the comradeship and the overall positive environment. Let's face it, Hubpages is unique because of its members. I have become acquainted with the best group of folks one could ever hope to know. On a separate issue, congratulations on your award for Best All Around Hubber. You certainly deserve it. Thank you for the live concert video. You can't go wrong with the Rolling Stones. The song made my morning. Voted up and have a fantastic day! (JP)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your thoughts Nadine. Still no response from the HP staff about this letter and I doubt I'll ever get one. This is a business and I understand that.....still...I hate to see writers leave HP for greener pastures.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, no, I never heard back from them. It will be interesting to see what happens with the merger...I know I have a lot of new followers all of a sudden. :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DealForALiving...still waiting for that response. What's it been, a year now? LOL Might be a long wait. Thanks for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      James, I appreciate the visit and the kind words. I didn't really expect to hear from HP and they didn't disappoint me. LOL Best wishes to you, sir!

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      Peggy Woods 2 years ago from Houston, Texas

      This was my first writing site and I have learned so much from it and do still enjoy it. I also enjoy Bubblews and have to admit that one can more easily earn money there much more quickly. I now have two homes for my writings.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peggy, I'm very happy that you found another site that you enjoy and that pays well. Best wishes to you there, and here. Thank you.

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