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HubPages Anniversary Notifications: What's Wrong with this Picture?

Updated on January 16, 2015

My Latest Email from Hubpages

Hi billybuc,

You have hit a pretty impressive milestone—your 3 Year Anniversary on HubPages!

Fun fact: Leather is a traditional gift given on third year anniversaries. Perhaps today is the day to splurge on a gorgeous purse or briefcase!

Take a look at our Learning Center guides to creating a Stellar Hub with a successful, search-friendly title to make your next Hub a real blockbuster. Already have an idea? Start your next Hub now!

Thanks,
HubPages

In case you haven’t guessed, I just “celebrated” my three year anniversary on the writing site HubPages. During that time I have the following statistics:

  • 914 Hubs
  • 84,658 Comments
  • 590,148 Views
  • 2,257 followers

In addition, I have won the following awards:

  • 2012 Most Helpful Hubber and Most Beautiful Hub
  • 2013 Best All-Around Hubber
  • 2014 Best All-Around Hubber and Most Supportive Hubber

Last month I did not earn enough for a payout.

I mention this all for a reason.

Do you know me? I'm a money-maker for HubPages!
Do you know me? I'm a money-maker for HubPages! | Source

No Sour Grapes Here

I do not mention all this because I am bitter. Far from bitter, as a matter of fact. I have said time and time again that I love this site because of the community of writers. They are why I remain on this site.

I do not mention all this because I am upset over not earning a payout. I only mention the payout aspect for those who wonder about such things. I have never been concerned with payouts or Hub scores. I’m only here to write and interact with other writers. However, the fact that my payouts have diminished over 300% in the past few months, and I no longer qualify for a payout each month after over 900 articles, should give some of you food for thought.

No, I mention all this, and I include the email from the HP staff, to underscore the primary problem with HubPages: they just don’t get it!

A computer-generated message with some silly fact about leather? Really, HubPages? Would it have killed them to send an email from a real human being? Would it have killed them to actually personalize a congratulatory note?

Shame on you, HubPages!

This is what I looked like when I received my anniversary message
This is what I looked like when I received my anniversary message | Source

But Why Should They, You Ask?

Were you asking that question? If so, here is my answer, so settle in and get comfortable.

It is no secret that HP has problems. Prior to the takeover of Squidoo, writers were deserting HubPages like it was a burning building. They couldn’t get out fast enough in their search for greener pastures….more money….hell, a site that had a management that really gave a damn about the writers.

What the HP staff does not seem to comprehend is that the people making them money are real people. They are flesh and bone and blood, they have feelings, and they can take their words and leave any old time they feel like it if they feel they are not being treated with respect. And at HubPages, they are not being treated with respect.

My anniversary greeting from HP invites me to take a look at the Learning Center to find out how to write a Stellar Hub, and then encourages me to keep writing those Hubs and making them more money. After 914 Hubs, they want me to go read the Learning Center.

I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy!

This is like having a birthday party thrown for me, only to find out I have to pay for the cake, ice cream and gifts.

What the hell is wrong with these people???????

Is anyone out there at HP Headquarters listening??????

Christy Kirwan....thank you!
Christy Kirwan....thank you! | Source

Yes, As a Matter of Fact, One Person Is Listening

And her name is Christy Kirwan. Kudos to Christy for at least taking the time to reach out to writers and interact with them. As for the rest of the staff…..where are you? Hell, who are you? Do you really exist?

There are fifteen people on the HP staff and one….one….of them has made an effort to communicate with more than a form letter to the writers who basically support the site and make money for the site.

One!

Shame on you, HubPages!

I was having a conversation with a friend the other day. We were talking about minimum wage laws and something that business owners don’t seem to understand. If you are going to pay employees nine bucks an hour, then you need to, at the very least, make them feel wanted and appreciated. It just makes common sense. Otherwise, the business owner is going to have a revolving door filled with employees coming and going, and that means constant training, and that means increased expenses.

HubPages needs to make the effort to show appreciation to the writers who support their company.

Automated messages
Automated messages | Source

So Here’s What I Suggest

First, HP, don’t bother me with any more of these ridiculous automated messages. They are meaningless and about as warm and fuzzy as a hungry python. I felt more love and support from Sister Mary Elizabeth in 8th grade, and she hated my guts.

Secondly, take a look at your monthly figures and please take note of the declining numbers. Thousands of writers have left you looking for greener pastures, and thousands more will follow them. I suggest to you that the mass exodus is the fault of management and staff. If you are not going to raise the revenue sharing, and I think it is fairly obvious that you are not, then you really need to work on your people skills.

Repeat after me: writers are human beings and need to be treated with respect. After you have said those words then internalize them until they actually mean something to you.

Thirdly, I want you to have a staff meeting in the near future, and in that staff meeting I want you to tear apart the old business plan and write a new one. The old one is failing miserably. Even you must see that by now. It’s time to do something radical like, oh, I don’t know, treat the writers like they are important?????

I’m tired of seeing my friends leave this site for other opportunities. They are the only reason why I remain here so please, would you make some effort to keep them here. For me….and for yourselves.

Thank you….and hey, thank the computer that sent me my automated anniversary congratulations. It meant the world to me.

2015 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dirt Farmer! I'm glad you enjoyed the pics. I do love it here, but it's only because of the other writers, like you, who are so warm and supportive.

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      Jill Spencer 2 years ago from United States

      Your photos really made me laugh. And the email. Sigh. It's hard to believe that's real. OMG. Sorry for your pain, but reading this has made me feel better. I got a half-assed editing job on my most viewed hub, and now the views for it are way down. Published a new hub today, and watched the score plummet ten points within a few hours. You're right: you have to be here because you like to write and interact with other writers. And for the photos. (:

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Exactly, Molly! And who knows, you might go viral with a hub and it will all be worth it.

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      The only thing I can think of is that running ads makes me fill out paperwork. Not too big of a deal if you ask me. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Molly, honestly, I don't see how you can lose signing up for the Ads system. As long as you stay with HP, or I guess as long as you live, you'll be making some money. If there is a negative to that I don't see it. :)

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      Bill, I'm here to ask a quick question: is it worth it to sign up for Hubpage's Ads system. Obviously it won't make me rich quick - I'll be pleased if I make enough money to buy a dozen gum balls. I'm not here for the money. I'm here for the experience more than the money. But money doesn't hurt.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Claudia, it depends entirely on the types of articles. Craft writers do well here. How to articles do well. Recipes do well, and special niches like diabetes do well....you can make money here but your articles have to appeal to a wide audience. :)

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      Claudia Mathews 2 years ago

      Thanks Bill, I won't lie. I am not here ONLY for the money, but I did join with the expectation that after enough months or years, enough hubs, followers and awards, learning as much as you can applying it to your hubs (considering the amount of hours that go into participating here) that a person could be assured of a SMALL residual income, every month, from all the work they have done.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Claudia, thank you for the kind words. I don't want to discourage you...if you are here only for the money then you have a tough road ahead of you. If you are here for a platform and to become a part of the community, then you are in the right place. I, for one, am glad you are here. We need more new members like you.

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      Claudia Mathews 2 years ago

      Hey Bill, this is a real eye opener. Being new here, Im not sure this is the type of read I want to see lol. It concerns me that there is little chance for the new group of writers coming along, when someone in your position isn't even getting a monthly payout anymore. Im seriously bothered by how little they care about the hands that feed them here on HP's. You deserve much more than a congratulatory message like that. I wonder if anyone at HP's will see this Hub... do they read these? Did you send it to them? At some point if there is enough fuss they have to take a step back and look at their practices with an eye toward making some positive changes. Congratulations on sticking it out for 3 years and developing such a strong following.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kalinin, it is for sure, ridiculous. I wish I had the answer for you, but I don't. All I can do is wish you good luck.

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      Lana ZK 2 years ago from California

      I went through a similar process with Bubblews. Nice idea, good writing community, but terrible management, no concern for writers, and measly compensation (recently slashed down to bare bones). It's tough finding a decent writing platform...I like the self-publishing thing on HP - I don't want to knock on everyone's doors' every time I write an article, but they have to raise revenue sharing, this is just ridiculous...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rolly, I'm not sure how much more fight I've got in me, but we'll see. I know it's lonely without so many of my good friends who have left for greener pastures, or bigger trout in the lake. :) Thanks my friend.

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      Rolly A Chabot 2 years ago from Alberta Canada

      Hi Bill... judging by the comments and yes I got a slap with leather as well... in total I have been there 5 years, two accounts I closed completely because of many of the points you raised... Keep up the fight...

      Rolly

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes indeed, Deb! You are the poster child for taking it to another level. Way to go, Deb!

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      And then, there are those of us that DO take our material for greener pastureS…now I have more material to move...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eva, thank you very much. I look forward to reading your work and counting you among my online friends.

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      PE Hardwicke 2 years ago from Midwest USA

      At this point I only want to congratulate you on all these hubs, and especially on the awards of a helpful and supportive hubber. I am looking forward to reading more of your useful tips and hints. And thank you for the encouragement: you wrote me the first comment on one of my hubs.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cam, it's the community of writers who have kept me here. I love this community, and I hope you find some similar friendships. Thanks once again for the visit.

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      Cam Lewis 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      914 hubs is quite an accomplishment, at any endeavour quite frankly. Your purpose to trudge on, at place that has left you saturated in rancor, is rather admirable. I now feel the need to follow suit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cam, I hope it goes well for you. Welcome to HP and thanks for commenting.

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      Cam Lewis 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      I am new to Hubpages, and I wish to thank you for what I feared was going to happen- discrepancies of somewhere payouts are involved. I will publish my first 10 hubs then see how things go.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rhonda, I couldn't agree with you more. So many of my friends left for Bubblews, but really they left because they felt no appreciation here.....and that was a year ago and no changes have happened since. I don't think I'll be around to celebrate my fourth year here, and I didn't think I'd say that. Anyway, thank you. It's been a pleasure following you and getting to know you a bit.

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      Rhonda Lytle 2 years ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

      You surly hit the nail on the head as to why there has been a mass exodus. Goodness knows I'm looking for any new platform I can find that might be acceptable. I used to love this place with a passion. Now, I come here only when every other site I know is down, slow or boring me at the moment, not because I don't really love some of the writers here but because of how they are treated. A kind word goes a long way but the constant thinly veiled rudeness and blow off of we are working on it and will get back to you reminds me too much of the rhetoric that comes from governments and large corporations that would just as soon see one dead as take the time to honestly answer anything. It's a shame. This could be such a wonderful place.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, you said it about as diplomatically as possible...PR could be stepped up several notches. Nicely stated, my friend. :)

      Thank you for being you.

      bill

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Who is listening?

      The choir, us, the writers, we are listening.

      If they would listen to anyone, it will probably be you since they know who you are---as well they should.

      I am not even sure they know who I am (and that is partly my fault). Although I must give a positive note here...within the last 24 hours I have received no less than four correspondences from the Hub Team because of a glitch on my MIni Dachshunds story. Quick and very helpful support.

      But I get what you are saying. And speaking out about concerns is how an organization is made better---it is constructive and hopefully will be taken to heart.

      I won't leave here because of the lovelies like you who are here bu PR around here could be stepped up several notches.

      More Angels are on the way this evening ps

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you bead at home mom....it pained me to write this, because I love HP. I have gained so much from it...but...well, you know.

      I hope to see you down the block as we continue our journeys.

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      Teri Hansen 2 years ago

      billybuc, by the number of responses you have received I would say you have certainly hit a nerve with the writing staff, (uh, that would be us) I am an ex-squidooer that got pushed over just to have someplace to house my articles until I could decide what I wanted to do and just to test the waters. I'm not impressed. I am currently working to eliminate my articles and find other homes for them. Although I may have to leave just one or two just so that I can continue to follow you. Thanks for your work and validating what I was already suspecting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I will too, Cristen. I'm not worried about it, and I actually wrote this for all those on HP who really need the money and the contact by staff. Thanks for always being here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Sereseus....I don't know of a site that will earn you better money. HP is as good as it gets, and I'm not sure that is good news.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      Yep, it's tough Bill. Like you, I am a very strong believer in community so I'm really torn on a personal level. I'll figure it out. :)

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      Albin Pius 2 years ago from kerala,India

      If not hubpages then which site is the best for a great support as we receive here from the members and also for a better boss?

      And as for you not reaching payout Bill ( or uncle Bill ) how many of your hubs actually get search engine traffic.I know that you are a great writer one worthy of mention but I wonder how many of yours gets a comment from a google user.Isn't that how you earn from ad clicks...

      You have provided more help to the community than for yourself.It's a bit ironic.

      I think its best for all if you could become a staff member..doesn't anyone think so?

      Sorry for my bad english if anyone notices.

      Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Diane, it would be fascinating to know those figures. Somehow, I don't think we'll ever be told. :) Thank you!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 2 years ago from Fontana

      While we make no money, isn't HP making money off us us? I wonder how much they are making off of us who do not earn enough to get a payout?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mel, Thoreau has always been one of my favorites, so who knows what this is, right? I could be channeling the old guy and not even know it.

      Interesting about Bubblews....could kind of see that coming.

      Thanks my friend.

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      Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

      I just got one of those emails congratulating me on my 300th follower. It related a "fun fact" about an astronomer who discovered 300 asteroids then was murdered by his brother in law. Touching sentiments...but I guess it's the thought that counts. Is this a call for Civil Disobedience on Hub Pages? Seriously though, with the imminent demise of Bubblews I think some old friends will trickle back in. I love your very "real" hubs, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Glad to hear it, Linda. Best wishes to you.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      I am done with these sites for the most part. I use one now for articles I can't use elsewhere. Writing on these sites is like renting your home. I am tired of paying another persons mortgage and for their vacations. Now I will do my own thing, on my own sites, and reap 100 percent of the profits.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you again, Nancy. You stated it perfectly. Friendship and loyalty go a long way with me, but even I have my limits. I'm going to hit 1000 articles and then I think we'll see some changes by summer.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, your last sentence said it all about HP and other content mills. Thank you!

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      To me, the anniversary letter was just the straw that broke the camel's back, not the entire issue. For three years work, and 9o0-plus articles, anyone would begin to wonder. Frankly, I know Bill's writing and his subjects are not the problem....I believe HP just isn't getting the views they used to get since all the Panda updates. More people are moving to their own blogs and websites simply for the reason that they aren't making more than one cent an article, if that, on a site like HP. We are more than halfway through the month...I have 194 Hubs...As of today, I have earned 1.13. To me that's an insult. It was the same last month, and the month before. I have no reason to leave my writing on this site, because unlike Bill, I'm an "invasive" species, having moved here from Squidoo. He loves this community, just as we used to love ours. I'm sad for him, but happy that he is in the midst of friends.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      Absolutely vkwok. The funny thing is apparently HP thinks it is all about a computer generated anniversary letter. They haven't got a clue, or should I say yes they do, but they don't care. After all, writers are a dime a dozen. With the economy the way it is, people trying to find ways to earn an extra buck, then writers are a dime a dozen.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      it appears, vkwok, that quite a few agree with you.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      Bill, congratulations on your three year anniversary. And also, you're right that us writers are human beings and we deserve more than we're getting right now from this sight.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you. Christy. I really appreciate you sharing that. I do celebrate my three years here. i have grown so much because of HP and I will always be grateful.

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      Christy Kirwan 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Bill, thanks for this honest (as always) criticism of your Hubbing experience. Your Hubiversary really is an incredible accomplishment, and one that deserves celebration. I hope this email hasn't soured the occasion for you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Flourish. It is what it is. I knew coming into HP that I was not the type of writer who would make big money here...so I'm not surprised.

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      Bill, Happy Anniversary! Over 900 hubs is impressive indeed, but I am very worried about you not making payout. We cannot have that, my dear friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On, that is such a lovely thing for you to say. Thank you. I love this community...and I believe in community supporting one another...it's as simple as that, my friend, and I know you understand.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheez, Cristen, why don't you say what you really mean? LOL I mean don't hold back girl. Get it off your chest for God's sake. :)

      Thank you my friend. Point made and delivered and heard.

      Thank you!

      bill

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      DREAM ON 2 years ago

      A tangled web we weave as the HubPages continues to deceive. When billybuc is not heard what are we to think My word. If they would only listen and seek your suggestions and help. Many people might say it sounds like a modern version of The Three Blind Mice.Well I believe we accomplish a lot more by focusing on the good than the bad so I will spend my efforts reading what makes me happy not sad. I have one problem is that when I go to one of your hubs I still have to read every comment and a day and a half later I get to post mine. Congratulations on three incredible years of writing (leaving the HubPages staff something to think about.) With all your superb hubs and so many wonderful followers you still found the time to read my simple, caring poems. I never once got an automated response like nice hub. Which would be very easy for you to do. You instead took your time and heart on your honest opinion. Yes it took time and effort and you show it in your comments and in your 914 hubs. Well I am waiting to see your 2015 new awards to add to the rest. Some suggestions for HubPages might be An Early Bird Award for the Most Consistently Honest Hubber. Is that asking to much. All I can say it's hubbers like billybuc that we are all here. Congratulations on 3 years of sharing. I am happy to be one of your 2,257 followers and I will still be here when you hit a million followers. Thank you for all that you do. Have a great day.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Mari, I'll take into consideration what you said about the leather purse. :) As for a catalyst, let's hope this article serves that purpose. Thank you my friend, and Happy Monday to you.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      I really wish I had time to read all the comments, but I just don't. I could not agree with you more!

      In fact, not five minutes ago I started drafting an email to you to tell you that I am backing away from HubPages-not quitting altogether or anything like that, but backing away!

      I have a business to run, HubPages. I spend gross amounts of time on this site trying to be a better writer, trying to encourage other writers, trying to make money as a writer. This is far worse than copy mills, which I refuse to write for on principal.

      Hmmmm, I need to pull my head out because I'm a contributor to HubPages, which is far worse. Like you, I stay for the community. But there comes a time when the community has to say "enough is enough" and strike.

      We have blogs, Bill. Anyone who follows us here could just as easily follow our blogs. And you and I have both developed true friendships and relationships with some of the members here. Those wouldn't go away if we left. We could still do what we do elsewhere, especially you since your blog (for anyone reading this other than Bill, please go to his blog-you'll find a link in many of his posts) is specifically aimed at writers.

      I'm not making a challenge or calling you to action so much as I am talking out loud.

      The whole thing just galls me. You are too good for HubPages.

      I will say for my part, I don't want to play with HubPages anymore. I want to work and play with people and organizations that care and are working to truly make a difference in people's lives; community is all well and good but a writer can't pay the bills with community. And all the thumbs up and kind comments are nice, but a writer, a real writer, needs critical, editorial support. HubPages is just Squiddoo wrapped in prettier paper.

      Rant over. Now I go to submit a piece to a real publication, one that will pay me actual dollars and that will reject my work if it's not up to par. That is a better use of my precious time and an endeavor I know you support.

      Thank you, Bill.

      P.S. I'm not bitter either, just a realist.

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      dragonflycolor 2 years ago

      Personally, I think you would look fabulous with a leather purse decorating your shoulder!

      I'm glad you've pointed out so many issues and have provided a way for other hubbers to sound off. It is maddening, it is faulty, and it is obscure to say the least. The program is broken and remains to be unfixed. I love reading and connecting with everyone, but at the same time, I want writing (among other things) to replace my full time job. So, on the fence am I and will remain until a catalyst arrives.

      Thanks for your words of wisdom, Bill!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jenn-Anne, I'm so glad you hear you have a blog and you are still writing. Good for you, and thank you so much for stopping by. Send me that link, please, and I'll follow you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ChitrangadaSharan, thank you so much, and have a wonderful week.

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      Jenn-Anne 2 years ago

      Billybuc! Hello my friend! Another well-written hub that said a few things that needed to be said. I am one of those people who has more or less left. I keep my hubs here but haven't written anything new in ages. I recently started blogging elsewhere and am really enjoying it. No, I don't get paid, but I'm not getting paid here either and I have more freedom, more fun and (shockingly) more readers. (If I can remember how, I'll email you a link so you can check it out.) I do hope things here improve - it saddens me to see great writers like yourself not getting much support and not earning. That makes no sense! All the best to you my friend!

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      Chitrangada Sharan 2 years ago from New Delhi, India

      This hub perhaps expresses the sentiments of many of us. Very important points raised by you. And imagine with 914 hubs, you did not get a monthly payout.

      I hope the site owners feel concerned and take it seriously.

      Congratulations for your 3 years anniversary and thanks for sharing this awesome hub!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you donmike. I appreciate you stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Molly, I agree completely. It shouldn't be that hard to fix what is broken; all it takes is the will to do so.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dale, I understand. I hate that things have come to this at HP, and I understand why writers would leave. Best wishes to you on your new journey, and thank you for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Adventure, I honestly don't know where to send you. There are times when you have a better chance making money on your own blog, and maybe this is one of those times. I'd hate to see you go but I would certainly understand if you did.

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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      Michael Anyanwu 2 years ago from Sweden

      Sometimes you don't need logic to know a statement of fact. Great article but more of an honest one.

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      I can understand giving someone a generic congratulations e-mail if they haven't posted in a while or if their hubs have not been featured. With a case like yours, a personalized congratulations may be in order. It seems to me that things should be easily fixed with an if/else statement. I would code it myself if I knew how.

      It's great that HubPages has one person who cares about the users. This community manager is clearly good at her job. I hope she's able to convince the other fourteen Hubpages employees that users are content and should be made to feel welcome.

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      Dale Hyde 2 years ago from Tropical Paradise on Planet X

      I just came finished my three years here earlier this month as well and I also got the same generic email. Nothing like automation with no personal aspect. I have nowhere near the amount of hubs you have, however, I have deleted about 66% of my material here and published it elsewhere over the past year or so due to the facts you mention. I have no plans to publish new material here as it requires too much time and too much tweaking nowadays to make it beneficial to myself or for sharing with others.

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      Giovanna Sanguinetti 2 years ago from Perth UK

      Hello billybuc I understand what you're saying and how you're feeling. I also understand that you're not in it for the money and you wouldn't desert all your Hubber friends. I don't have much to say about Hubpages - I'm ex Squidoo and came here at their recommendation!! Can you help me leave this sinking ship? I started writing online to see if I could make it pay. So far I've been very, very disappointed - but Squidoo were much more welcoming and supportive than Hubpages have been. In fact your kind welcoming hub and your encouragement helped me a lot when I first came here and I'd like to thank you for that. Have you any advice for a poor lost soul like me? Where would you go? I wonder if you can help me - where the hell do people go to get paid for their hard work writing online??

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, it seems to me a good programmer could set that up in an hour.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      HubPages could easily remedy the situation and also encourage excellence from its writers by simply listing the annual winning authors by category on its homepage with links to their sites.

      How hard could it be?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so very much, Fiorenza. That was very nice of you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, I honestly couldn't say it any better. The only reason I joined HP was to make friends. I still have them here. When I can't stand it any longer then I'll make a change.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jadelynx, thank you! I have many more friends who are still here, and I love interacting with them. One does not give that up easily if one values friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Will, but I didn't think for a second that you were being rude.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Doc. Bravery? What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm banned from HP? There are many green pastures out there that would welcome me, so I'm not too concerned.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Charlino...you might say I am driven and focused. I have a five-year plan and I'm sticking to it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Linda. I don't know anything about the Russian connection. Interesting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda. Your last point is valid, but it would take a mass strike to bring about change, and that won't happen.

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      Fiorenza 2 years ago from UK

      Bill, Congratulations on your three year anniversary but so sorry to hear you have been treated this way.

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Jadelynx, hahaha! Well, billybuc has been here longer than I have, and I'm sure with his helpfulness and his charm and writing ability, he's made lots of friends. It's hard to leave your friends. Now as for me, I have no problem. I've taken most of my friends with me into The Writer's Door on Facebook. And of course, all online writers are welcome to join. But, it must be hard for him to see HP in these circumstances...just as it was hard for us to see Squidoo become indifferent to our woes when we wrote there. Billybuc is a good enough writer he doesn't NEED to be here, but he likes his friends and he's concerned for them.

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      Tracey Boyer 2 years ago from Michigan

      Maybe you should follow your friends to greener pastures. I can't imagine what you have found about this community to love. It is about as warm and friendly as a basket of snakes.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi LindaSmith1!

      I had no intention of being rude or contradictory, so if I was not clear, I apologize.

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      lovedoctor926 2 years ago

      Congratulations Bill! You are one of the best writers on the hub. I totally understand how you feel. I agree with Charlin099. It does take a lot of bravery to write something like this, but very well-said my friend. You are an inspiration to all of us here.

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      Tonie Cook 2 years ago from USA

      It takes an extraordinary amount of bravery to create something from nothing, as an artist this much I know. The sheer volume of your hub pages is enough to leave one in awe, let alone that you were able to accomplish the feat within a few short years. Congratulations on your anniversary with Hubpages.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      I only have a couple of hubs left on here. I have turned off ads. I have heard of writers being removed from earnings program because of clicks on ads coming from Russia. I checked my stats, and there we go, traffic from same location in Russia. I know I moved hubs at one point, and took a hiatus for year. I have moved them for a second time, but this time there won't be a hiatus, it will be for good. Funny how we move content and do very well with Google, using the same content on our own sites.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you That Grrl...I would have a hard time arguing with any of your points. I stay here because I enjoy the community of writers so much..no other reason.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      There isn't any people skills. When you hear about writers being unfeatured, questioning the reason and being told tough, that is the way it is, still without any specific reason provided, or being shut down completely and banned for speaking out, for questioning, that shows the people skills they have, which is zilch. These sights have the mentality that we need them. The reality is that they need us or they wouldn't have a site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Snakesmum, make sure you realize what does well and what doesn't do well here. Evergreen articles do well, and you can still earn money here writing those. I don't write them. I was making a decent income here until the last Panda attack....so I'll never say you can't make money here, but fiction writers and poets really need to look elsewhere if it's money they are after.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for stopping by, Ethan. Words of advice? Follow the guidelines in the Learning Center, writer evergreen hubs that are SEO friendly. How to articles do quite well here...craft articles, cooking articles, travel articles....those are what the internet wants.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Linda.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Will, and I understand completely what you are saying.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yep, no doubt, Linda, but as Will said, there was no sleight of hand here. I knew when I signed on that they wanted evergreen articles. That's not my problem at all with HP. My problem is simply the lack of people skills that they have.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, there is no doubt about what you say. Unfortunately, they are losing a ton of writers with that business model....so I thought I'd give them something to think about. Thanks and have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, there was a time when I did pretty well in earnings, but the latest Panda just about wiped out my earnings. Oh well, I still have my friends. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, as much as I hate to see you or any other writer leave here, I understand completely. Best wishes on your new path, and thank you for following me and commenting. I appreciate it greatly.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Brite....greatly appreciated. I'm just giving back to a community that embraced me early on when I didn't believe in myself. Pass it forward, my friend.

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      Laura Brown 2 years ago from Barrie, Ontario, Canada

      For me the big issue is the lack of protection or care about content scraping for writers here. When I asked about the issue I was referred to a form page where I could get information and do it myself. HubPages does not care.

      As you wrote, they make money from writers here but don't do much to actually appreciate the people who write here. I've been on the fence about staying or going. I do get a payout every few months. But, in the real world it is far from a living wage. But, it has been nice to have some income.

      I do have my own sites however. All the content which I have here could be on my own sites instead. I can protect my content from scrapers there but I can't do that here. So, what is the point of staying in the long run? I do take some pride in stats here and having been here for years. But, HubPages doesn't care. Your email about the leather thing and referring you to the Learning Centre is ignorant.

      People writing here aren't making enough from this site to buy themselves gifts. If you include the cost of being online, the time you put into writing for the site it does not work out. I was one of the Squidoo writers who came over but I have been here long before that with this account. It was so easy for Squidoo to close down and just dump us all. There was no loyalty really and it is the same here.

      If anyone is staying out of loyalty they will be badly let down at some point. May as well just leave now and not wait for a site that feels more like a telemarketing job than being a valuable part of the network.

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      Jean DAndrea 2 years ago from Victoria, Australia

      When a long time HP writer such as yourself writes an article like this, it sounds a warning for a newcomer here (from Squidoo) to look at why they are here. Perhaps it is time, as Nancy says to consider moving some articles to my own sites - they don't seem to be doing too well here. I do like the forums though, and spend most of my HP time there these days, not writing new articles. I seem to have lost motivation recently.

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      Ethan Digby-New 2 years ago

      Your article really surprised me. I'm new at HP, and I'm still in the stage of either fully committing to HP or switching to another site. Hearing that worries me, especially when we look at your stats and realize you've been here three years (congratulations by the way) and have nearly one thousand hubs under your name. After reading your Hub, I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to do. But I would like to thank you for bringing this to my attention, and by any chance could you offer some advice? Thank you again, and condolences on the way HP is treating you and all the other hubbers.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      To be fair why would a Voted Best Fiction Writer be on HP, kind of contradictory and a bit rude I think.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Yes of course Linda. But my point was that the search engines that HubPages relies on for income look for articles, not authors.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      To be fair, HP wouldn't exist if it were not for the writers.