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HubPages Anniversary Notifications: What's Wrong with this Picture?

Updated on January 16, 2015

My Latest Email from Hubpages

Hi billybuc,

You have hit a pretty impressive milestone—your 3 Year Anniversary on HubPages!

Fun fact: Leather is a traditional gift given on third year anniversaries. Perhaps today is the day to splurge on a gorgeous purse or briefcase!

Take a look at our Learning Center guides to creating a Stellar Hub with a successful, search-friendly title to make your next Hub a real blockbuster. Already have an idea? Start your next Hub now!

Thanks,
HubPages

In case you haven’t guessed, I just “celebrated” my three year anniversary on the writing site HubPages. During that time I have the following statistics:

  • 914 Hubs
  • 84,658 Comments
  • 590,148 Views
  • 2,257 followers

In addition, I have won the following awards:

  • 2012 Most Helpful Hubber and Most Beautiful Hub
  • 2013 Best All-Around Hubber
  • 2014 Best All-Around Hubber and Most Supportive Hubber

Last month I did not earn enough for a payout.

I mention this all for a reason.

Do you know me? I'm a money-maker for HubPages!
Do you know me? I'm a money-maker for HubPages! | Source

No Sour Grapes Here

I do not mention all this because I am bitter. Far from bitter, as a matter of fact. I have said time and time again that I love this site because of the community of writers. They are why I remain on this site.

I do not mention all this because I am upset over not earning a payout. I only mention the payout aspect for those who wonder about such things. I have never been concerned with payouts or Hub scores. I’m only here to write and interact with other writers. However, the fact that my payouts have diminished over 300% in the past few months, and I no longer qualify for a payout each month after over 900 articles, should give some of you food for thought.

No, I mention all this, and I include the email from the HP staff, to underscore the primary problem with HubPages: they just don’t get it!

A computer-generated message with some silly fact about leather? Really, HubPages? Would it have killed them to send an email from a real human being? Would it have killed them to actually personalize a congratulatory note?

Shame on you, HubPages!

This is what I looked like when I received my anniversary message
This is what I looked like when I received my anniversary message | Source

But Why Should They, You Ask?

Were you asking that question? If so, here is my answer, so settle in and get comfortable.

It is no secret that HP has problems. Prior to the takeover of Squidoo, writers were deserting HubPages like it was a burning building. They couldn’t get out fast enough in their search for greener pastures….more money….hell, a site that had a management that really gave a damn about the writers.

What the HP staff does not seem to comprehend is that the people making them money are real people. They are flesh and bone and blood, they have feelings, and they can take their words and leave any old time they feel like it if they feel they are not being treated with respect. And at HubPages, they are not being treated with respect.

My anniversary greeting from HP invites me to take a look at the Learning Center to find out how to write a Stellar Hub, and then encourages me to keep writing those Hubs and making them more money. After 914 Hubs, they want me to go read the Learning Center.

I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy!

This is like having a birthday party thrown for me, only to find out I have to pay for the cake, ice cream and gifts.

What the hell is wrong with these people???????

Is anyone out there at HP Headquarters listening??????

Christy Kirwan....thank you!
Christy Kirwan....thank you! | Source

Yes, As a Matter of Fact, One Person Is Listening

And her name is Christy Kirwan. Kudos to Christy for at least taking the time to reach out to writers and interact with them. As for the rest of the staff…..where are you? Hell, who are you? Do you really exist?

There are fifteen people on the HP staff and one….one….of them has made an effort to communicate with more than a form letter to the writers who basically support the site and make money for the site.

One!

Shame on you, HubPages!

I was having a conversation with a friend the other day. We were talking about minimum wage laws and something that business owners don’t seem to understand. If you are going to pay employees nine bucks an hour, then you need to, at the very least, make them feel wanted and appreciated. It just makes common sense. Otherwise, the business owner is going to have a revolving door filled with employees coming and going, and that means constant training, and that means increased expenses.

HubPages needs to make the effort to show appreciation to the writers who support their company.

Automated messages
Automated messages | Source

So Here’s What I Suggest

First, HP, don’t bother me with any more of these ridiculous automated messages. They are meaningless and about as warm and fuzzy as a hungry python. I felt more love and support from Sister Mary Elizabeth in 8th grade, and she hated my guts.

Secondly, take a look at your monthly figures and please take note of the declining numbers. Thousands of writers have left you looking for greener pastures, and thousands more will follow them. I suggest to you that the mass exodus is the fault of management and staff. If you are not going to raise the revenue sharing, and I think it is fairly obvious that you are not, then you really need to work on your people skills.

Repeat after me: writers are human beings and need to be treated with respect. After you have said those words then internalize them until they actually mean something to you.

Thirdly, I want you to have a staff meeting in the near future, and in that staff meeting I want you to tear apart the old business plan and write a new one. The old one is failing miserably. Even you must see that by now. It’s time to do something radical like, oh, I don’t know, treat the writers like they are important?????

I’m tired of seeing my friends leave this site for other opportunities. They are the only reason why I remain here so please, would you make some effort to keep them here. For me….and for yourselves.

Thank you….and hey, thank the computer that sent me my automated anniversary congratulations. It meant the world to me.

2015 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      One hubber wrote email to HP over an issue, and lost 100 hubs and got banned for nothng!!!! HP cares about nothing but their bank account. I trust earnings here at HP as much as I do a rattlesnake, since I had earnings disappear into oblivion.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, why am I not surprised about that Hubber? Oh well...I'll keep being that little pinprick that won't go away and is annoying as hell.

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      social thoughts 2 years ago from New Jersey

      Fantastic article, as always!! I cannot believe you didn't get a payout. Damn!

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very powerfully written without being too mean spirited. It came through that you write this as much for others as yourself and in my book that is topnotch humanness. I wonder how much I care. I think I do and that I would rather be treated more like a person here. I am not leaving but I am getting a bit bitter.

      (I would have added about their failure to keep statistics at least consistent, seems like a moderate thing to set as a goal for us)

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      It is an hp loss and another's gain. This was a long time hubber and excellent writer. HP has turned to tactics used by Squidoo before they went bye-bye.

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      First off, I will say it - Congrats on 3 years and you deserve that and so much more. You truly sound a mouthful and some here about the Hubpages staff and sadly one of the reasons, I did move on from showcasing my own writing here. I do still come to read you and a few others, but for the most part, I didn't feel the staff really got it or cared. But I really do wish they would here you and hey you never know, stranger things have happened. But still congrats again my friend and Happy Friday, too!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Social, it is what it is. If that was the reason for me being here, I would have left three years ago. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Eric. I'm not bitter at all....but I do care about my friends, and that's what this is all about. Writers deserve respect...bottom line.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Well stated as always Bill. I have never bothered to collect even a penny from Hub Pages, and am not sure I even have that much in my account. I was never writing for the money, although a small income would have been nice.

      You make a very valid point about the canned emails. Too me, canned and machine generated emails are a huge turn-off. I have at times written my Congressman about a personal concern, only to receive a canned email response that had nothing to do with the questions I asked.

      Now for the personal side. You of all the writers on Hub Pages have done more to keep them in business than probably most of the employees. You should really be getting a monthly paycheck from Hub Pages for all the work you do for them.

      I am one of the writers who chose to leave Hub Pages, but not for more sharing of the wealth. I actually got dinged by hub pages for "copied content" on a hub that had been published for over a year. My research found that someone had later copied my hub and published it word for word under their own name. I tried to explain this to a live person at Hub Pages that my hub was published first, and the later hub was the "copied content." But my command of the English language was evidently not good enough to convey this simple thought to the live person so I just deleted all of my hubs and gave up.

      Your correct that many of the really good writers I followed faithfully are no longer writing for Hub Pages. And that is a shame because they were a great source for knowledge and reading pleasure.

      Perhaps some moderator will read your hub and either threaten you or use what you had to say to bring Hub Pages back to what it used to be.

      Great job my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It really is a shame, Linda. Constructive criticism can never be bad.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, I'll probably get banned for this, but I know where to find all my friends, so oh well...we move on and deal with the consequences. Thank you as always, Janine, and Happy Friday to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Graham, sadly, your story is fairly common here. Listen, i really don't care about money or accolades, SEO or keywords....I just think this is a great community and I want it to succeed....if they consider this bitchy so be it, but it's really a plea to get their act together and make this place better for everyone.

      Thanks, buddy. I think your command of the language is just fine. :)

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      Barbara Kay Badder 2 years ago from USA

      I've been feeling down about Hubpages too and haven't written anything in awhile. Most of my time now is being spent on my websites instead. You've put much more work in there than I ever did though and yes you deserve more than just an email like that.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Somewhere I recently read that writing venues are struggling, more and more dying off, and wondering if that's what's driving this site with the recent turnover. Reading your article, confirms what I've been thinking for awhile now. All traffic seems to be internal, rather than external, or at least with the few articles I have posted, and wonder how anyone benefits. It is unbelievable with the number of articles under your belt you haven't met pay out? How many views does it take? Something's not right with this. It takes someone willing to stand up and challenge practices to make a difference, to be heard at the risk of their own position. Good for you!

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      missirupp 2 years ago

      I love this community of writers as well and there is some exceptional writing to be found here. HubPages does have a bad reputation for being a content mill as I see blogs that discourage writers from this site.

      I like the training ground for writing online it has afforded me and like I said before, the community. The amount of energy it takes to write articles can't be quantified. Our articles are our babies and that's a lot of love.

      Nine hundred hubs and three years of writing does deserve something better than you have received. I do agree. You are one reason I think people stay on this site...no doubt.

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Amen, Bill. I received the same generic message back in October. It certainly did not make me do a happy dance.

      Hey, leather for a third anniversary? Where's my leather briefcase, HP? Oh, I'm supposed to buy my own anniversary gift? With what, pray tell?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, we all deserve more...I don't care about myself, but I'm tired of having friends move on. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Diva! I've received payouts since my third month here, but over the past three months the bottom fell out....so now, for the first time in three years, nothing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Missirupp. I am here for you and other friends. I love the community....and I know HP could be so much better if they would just listen.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, they just don't get it, my friend. What could be if they only made the effort.

      I'm glad you are here...people like you are why I'm here.

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      TSAD 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Billy, terrific hub page and so telling it like it is.

      I have a solution and you are the one guy who can do it. Unionize! All the writers on Hub Pages are making HP money, in a sense are they not employees themselves? Start a website HP writers can join and unite the writers to demand the improvements you wish or you all pledge as a group to go elsewhere (where, if the group is large enough y'all can command your own reasonable terms). Modest membership dues will pay to keep the site up and when your list of members (all HP writers) is large enough HP will have to listen, maybe put a representative on the board (if they have a board of directors).

      Complaining doesn't work here (or does it - you get any response from HP?), it's time to take some action or just cut loose.

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      carol stanley 2 years ago from Arizona

      The powers that be here are obviously not interested in their writers. Several years ago someone suggested I write here. I couldn't figure out he format so I didn't..I am much smarter now LOL. I cannot get over the computer generated letter suggesting you buy a purse..Maybe you should order a tote bag instead....You have spent a lot of time here and so much of that time helping others. I remember I reached out to you when I started and you were so helpful.

      As we know every site has cut back on outgoing revenue. I only hope that along with warm fuzzies and caring from other writers you have gotten lots of good things. PS hope you choose me for focus on book. I am an avid reader and inherently knows what works ....

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      As you probably know, I don't write for money. I've thought about changing that and giving what I earn to a charity I regularly give too, but after reading that you didn't get a payout, I won't bother. You of all people not to be paid is completely unacceptable! I wouldn't blame you if you left today, but please stay...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      tsadjatko, thanks for your input. I'll consider it. What you say is true. I just don't understand why HP doesn't see the truth. Complaining? Here? I hear from Christy on occasion, but that's it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, thank you so much. I love the community here and I'll do just about anything to help the writers....but every dog needs to have an itch scratched from time to time.

      I will definitely have you read my book. Thank you for offering. I'll get back to you next week.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      Great hub because it is so true. This could be a story plot where the robots are in control of the humans. Improvements in technology have created a world where non humans run the lives of humans. This is not too impossible, if you look at today and see how much people rely on technology. Human interaction is mostly done on the cyber world where most of the people do their living. It is one thing to communicate digitally because of geographic distances preventing physical proximity, but it is another when someone lives down the block.

      Soon technology will allow driverless cars, oh what fun in the Southern California sun. And technology can mimic voice, so is it implausible for technology to replace humans?

      So lets imagine, a futuristic company called IQ that replaces the government and all the businesses in the country. Until they really perfect the human soul, they might communicate much like HP. lol

      I have been twice banned under other names here, and both times it was making the Spanish Inquisition looking like democracy. There is no warning when they cut you loose. And there is no dialogue, apparently their computers only have an outgoing message. Some of them are not as kind as the one received by you for your three contribution to the hp income.

      I never work for google and hp play money. I am not interested in payouts that are less than I could get by rooting for bottle deposits.

      The question for hp to answer is that while you didn't qualify for a payout did hp benefit? I am not a fan of their partner, the real Scrooge, Google.

      They might be listening, I have to go before the bell tolls for me.

      I was never here......

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      Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

      It does seem so many are "leaving" even if they leave hubs here and that is sad. Comments apparently mean nothing and who knows how long until they do away with that?

      ts may have a good idea.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'll stay, Ruby, unless they kick me out because of this article. LOL That's always a possibility. Thank you for your kindness and have a wonderful weekend.

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Oh Billybuc, Bill, Bill, Bill, You are certainly appreciated by your plethora of readers and commenters. Yes, I do agree with all of your points made so eloquently here, that there is a huge gap in communication that results in user (writer) dissatisfaction.

      Spoiler alert, there is more of that to come when you hit your five year anniversary, like I did in September.

      " You have hit a pretty impressive milestone—your 5 Year Anniversary on HubPages!

      Fun fact: Couples traditionally exchange wood gifts on fifth anniversaries. Maybe today is the day for getting a gorgeous new writing desk!

      Take a look at our Learning Center guides..."

      I can tell you that I felt just like your illustration when I received those Kudos and admonitions to study on how to make a stellar hub. Although I have a long way to go before I reach your level of hub production. Obviously I'm not here for the money either. But it does make sense and cents to write where we are rewarded whether in words or coins.

      Christy is definitely a shining star...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brad, they won't hear it from me...go now, before the bell tolls.

      Have you seen the tv series "Person of Interest?" Your early description of a futuristic government reminded me of that show....and scares the hell out of me. :) Driverless cars in southern California? What a disaster...but it might be fun to watch from the drone cameras flying overhead. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, oh, if I only had the time and technical savvy. Changes would happen, my friend.

      Thank you for the visit and Happy Weekend to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peg, I would laugh if it weren't so tragic. Wood gifts???? Really???

      Who cares?

      Thanks for weighing in on this. Here's hoping Christy is given a raise soon.

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      Andrew Smith 2 years ago from Richmond, VA

      Congrats on three years and on the views! I agree - a little personal interaction would be great for people who are really active, and who have been around for a long time.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I've never been paid a penny. My Adsense account was closed and all my earnings confiscated three years ago because someone in Russia was clicking on too many ads (at least that was the story). HubPages didn't respond to my plea for help, so that was that.

      HubPages also makes no effort to promote their writers. They promote the site of course, but not their writers. I don't understand that business model at all.

      The only reason I'm still here is because I know of no better place. If I ever find one that actually cares about its writers and tries to promote their work, I'll be gone in an instant.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      This is your most aggressive hub about this issue. All I can say is that I feel you on this one.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Oh dear Billy, it you did not make payout last month, then heaven help all of us.

      I started here hoping that writing would supplement my pension as life has dealt me a few blows along the way and I really do need it. If I am lucky I get to pay my internet costs from writing here, leaving me with just enough for a cup of tea, without sugar.

      You have achieved so much here Billy, that which is not monetary and you should feel so proud. I am sorry you received an automated letter, as did I when I had my second birthday. I just wish HubPages staff would take the time to notice that it is writers like you who help to put food into their bellies. It is only right that they share some of the bacon occasionally. I suggested it was time for a competition, time to give us a little incentive to write but nothing materialized!

      It is nice that Christy listens but what can she achieve on her own?

      Perhaps we should have a Hubpages strike - for instance, what would happen if we all joined together on a go slow and did not write for a couple of weeks. Would it hurts them where it is hurting all of us, in the pocket!

      Have a good week-end Billy.

      Sally

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      kidscrafts 2 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      Congratulations for three years on Hubpages, number of articles written, number of views, etc.! I think that Hubpages needs to hire you :-) With technology people don't have to work from the same building. I see my husband having meetings all the time through the web with people all over the world... and it works. Those people work together to write computer programs. Good luck with this issue!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you goatfury...I appreciate your feedback and visit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, you state my point perfectly. I happen to know that you are a superb writer...why wouldn't HP want to promote you and others like you? That's a business model that makes sense...instead, they promote HOTD with grammatical errors. I need someone to explain the logic to me because I just don't get it.

      Thanks my friend, and I'm glad you are here to raise the bar higher.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Marlene. This one's for the little guy, and gal, who actually needs the money or recognition.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, it is okay. I'm not bitter about the lack of payout. It saddens me that people like you need the money and it is so hard to come from at HP. a strike would be a lovely idea, but human nature as it is, very few would do it...so we are left hoping that sooner or later HP will wake up.

      Thank you my friend, and Happy Weekend to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Joelle. HP could certainly do worse than to hire me for a little PR...heck, they are doing worse. Hello???? Anybody out there listening??????

      Have a great weekend.

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      suzettenaples 2 years ago

      Well said Bill. Is anyone listening?

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      Liza Treadwell Esq aka Liza Lugo JD 2 years ago from New York, NY

      Wow, Bill...I'm floored (well sort of). Not floored about the email...I got mine a couple of weeks ago for the 3 year anniversary. You and I started writing for HP around the same time. I am floored about the amount of work you have done on HP, your awards, etc. You are a writing machine. Feedback and encouragement was better when I started here. Now it's almost non-existent. It took a while for me to start getting a payout (I want to say about a year). For the past 1.5 yrs I get a payout quarterly (that's when I seem to have earned the minimum $50).

      I'm thinking, maybe I should write a hub on this issue too. Stay encouraged, my friend. You inspire all of us.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Suzette. I actually just got an email from one of the staff asking me to please stay with HP. That's encouraging I guess.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liza, thank you. I'm not going anywhere unless they kick me out, which is always a possibility. This one was for the writers who actually need the money and positive feedback. It would be so easy for HP to do.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      Yes, I have heard of the POI. the difference between my scenario and their plot is that they rely on two people to act on the results of the computer. Two people in a city of 8 million sounds really like a thin line with reality, even a scifi reality.

      I was never here, and they won't find me in my private hub land of invisibility. Only a few know that it even exists. Hear the door closing behind me.......

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      Maria Jordan 2 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      Dear Bill,

      Oh my I love when you use that toilet pic and the poo pic too... never loving the content but the way you dress these robots down...well, it's better than a leather whip.....hey wait...mmmmm??

      Here I thought I was the ONLY hubber to get that freakin leather... I mean letter (LOL)!

      Happy Friday and thanks for the smiles...Love, Maria

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      You have written a profound message and one can only hope that HP

      will read and make some changes.

      HP needs to understand that we writers are putting forth a genuine

      effort and at the same time we are practicing to become better writers.

      To HP:

      Also, if an article gets a high score and is a featured product, how does

      its score drop and suddenly it is deemed poor quality? Bad choice of words! A short story of fiction or a poem does not generate views like

      an informative hub. Yet, you continue to needle the authors of the short stories or poems.

      Like you, Bill, I stick around for the friendships here at HP.

      Your message to HP is most sincere. Let's hope it is not in vain.

      Thank you,

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brad, that does seem to be a rather small sampling. LOL What is that in percentage?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Happy Friday, Maria. I just have to send these shots off the HP bow every once in a while to see if anyone is listening to me. Makes me feel better and that makes it worth it.

      Thank you dear friend. Have a marvelous weekend.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, believe it or not, I just got an email from another staffer thanking me and asking me to please not leave. A small glimmer of hope? Let's hope.

      Have a great weekend my friend, and thank you.

      bill

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      kidscrafts 2 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      Sometimes it seems that big companies are overwhelmed. It's maybe the case for the 15 people working for HP. If it's the case they should hire people who can change what is happening. Continuing in the same direction doesn't seem to work. The company for which my husband worked for 29 years totally collapsed because of incompetence at the higher level. They kept replacing people at the top with other incompetent people. More than 30 000 people mainly in the US and Canada had to find new jobs because of it. I hope that HP can wake up and will have the courage to make the changes necessary!

      When people started to leave HP you would think that would send a signal that something was not going well.... but it seems the line of communication is definitely cut somewhere!

      Have a good weekend too Bill!

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      Bill, I want to join you in congratulating Christy Kirwan for proving that she's real, and for treating others as real. I also join in registering dismay that such a number of articles written with such frequency did not earn a payout. The number of people leaving is scary. Thanks for trying to wake up HP!

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      Russ Inserra 2 years ago from Indianapolis, In

      Thanks, Bill.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I hope that too, Joelle. I'm sure some of the staff thinks I don't like them or respect them, but that's not true. I just think they are wrong, and I'm tossing out suggestions that I know would help them. Hopefully they will listen.

      Happy Weekend to you, Joelle, and thank you for sharing that about your husband's company.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dora. Christy is rapidly becoming one of my favorites here and with good reason.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are welcome, Russ. Thank you!

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      Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

      Your rant reminded me that I should be receiving my 4 year computer generated email soon. I'll let you know if HP made any changes after reading this! :)

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      Bravo to you, bill! I concur.

      My daughter and son-in-law work for a chain of restaurants (that's being kind) in Britain. She is on minimum wage and he is a kitchen manager. They both work for peanuts and they get treated like monkeys. There is no decent management, the people skills are non-existent and if customers are rude and therefore asked to leave, when they complain they get vouchers to come back again. In other words management don't support their staff. The trouble is, they need the money so some stay - though the staff turnover is huge.

      Companies have to support their staff. We are making money for hubpages and they give us less than a minimum wage.

      Like you, I stay because of the people who have become my friends and because I love to write. I'm honing my skills and living off the feedback.

      I fear they won't take any notice but, to use a very English expression, they jolly well should!

      Nice one, bill!

      Ann

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, let's hope...we can always hope, right? Hope doesn't cost anything, so why not? :) Thank you, Linda!

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      I'm sure it's considered that if you leave, so goes a couple of thousand followers, a trickle-down "union" strike effect mentioned by another Hubber. That's a pretty good-sized number to ignore. Maybe a second posting will get even more response for more staff to take notice. This is one post most of us will be following closely.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Ann. The story of your daughter and son-in-law is a common one here in the States. I understand the need to pay minimum wage, but I also know there are ways to make employees feel valued that don't cost a thing. Why don't companies understand that?

      You know I love HP, but I swear, if I were approached by a millionaire who wanted me to start up competition against HP, I would do it in a second, and we would blow HP out of the water.....of course, that will never happen. :)

      Happy Friday my friend.

      bill

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      HP will never learn. A lot of top notch, money making hubbers did a mass exodus a few years ago. If anything, it is worse now than it was then

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      Lisa Williams 2 years ago

      Hi Bill! Wow, that really sucks! I got something similar on my five year mark, but as you know, I am wishy-washy with actually coming on and writing. So I did not really think about it. However, you are on here every single day not only writing awesome articles, but helping people in the community. You deserve so much more than a silly form letter. I was just thinking about coming back, and giving it another go...I finally found a subject that I think could be my niche..but now I am not so sure. I might have to start looking around for another site, and just stick to posting my poetry and chatting with friends on this one! Thanks for sharing Bill!

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      Lori Colbo 2 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      Here here! I got the same "anniversary" message when I hit four years. The only time I have ever heard from a staff person was when I inquired about an issue about one of my hubs. I think it had to do with them nailing me for quoting the Bible too often on a hub about the Bible. I had read hundreds of hubs with content with biblical themes, but they nailed me. They forced me to go back and take out 90% of my hub. They don't do that anymore. I think people must have complained. Anyway, they were unbending and very impersonal. It's nice to know people you work for. That's one of the downers about online content sites. They are faceless, voiceless people. I am here for the same reasons you are, the HP community.

      All that said, I do appreciate many of the HP features and the opportunities they provide. But it would be good business and very profitable for them and everyone else if they communicated with the people who serve them. Fifteen employees is not much for the thousands of writers so I can see also time is a factor. But they might be able to afford more staff in the end if they reached out more.

      Love the toilet face.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      Ha-Ha. I got one of those 3rd anniversary emails too. That and a fiver will get me a coffee at Starbucks.

      I share your feelings concerning HP. At least the company makes it easier to cope.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      Yes, if only!

      Ann :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Diva, I hope it never comes to that because I really do love it here. I held off leaving when everyone was running to Bubblews...I hope to be here a long time.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lisa, on a purely selfish note, I hope you come back here but if not, I understand. Thank you for your kind words. It's the ones who are just getting started and receive no support that I feel sorry for.

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      Catherine Tally 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      Hi Bill,

      Well said! I didn't come to Hubpages for the earnings but rather to have a platform from which to write, share ideas, and express myself. It was a nice surprise to discover a great community of writers and those who give and need encouragement. When I joined, I was on a leave of absence from work for hip surgery. I'm not able now to devote as much time as I feel is necessary to be a strong part of this group with hub-hopping and other expectations; however, I DO read , comment, and keep up w/ answers in my areas of interest and with those I follow. Frankly, I don't feel much incentive to increase my activity at this point for the very reasons you've covered here. Fine-tuning and updating my existing hubs is all I do anymore. I agree that Hubpages has a lot of things to think about and correct. Your choices of imagery gave me a good laugh!

      All the best,

      Cat:)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your input, Lori. I agree that the way things are now, fifteen employees is not much for personal communication, but I don't think HP is seeing the bigger picture. Profits are going down the toilet as writers leave, and writers leave because they don't feel wanted here...so make them feel wanted and writers will increase and profits will increase. Seems pretty simple to me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good point, Zulma, and the only reason I'm still here. Thanks for the company.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, if you got a laugh out of this, then it was worth writing. :) Seriously, thank you. I'm sure you echo what many writers have said about HP, and I think that's sad.

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      geoffclarke 2 years ago from Canada

      Hi Bill

      Not sure if you remember me but we joined HP around the same time - I got my 3 year congratulations e-mail in December. I wrote 50 hubs in the first year but have not been very active lately. Despite that, I've followed you throughout and still read all of your articles. As far as I am concerned, you are the heart and soul of HP and I have great respect for your work. As usual, you've hit the nail on the head and you've made me think twice about my plans to restart writing with HP now that I've retired.

      Best regards, Geoff

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Geoff, of course I remember you. Thankfully, senility hasn't occurred yet. LOL It was nice of you to stop by, and I really do appreciate your kind words. I hope life is treating you well, and selfishly, I hope you return to HP.

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      geoffclarke 2 years ago from Canada

      Thanks Bill

      Your support is appreciated and proves your point - a few simple words of encouragement goes a long way to building a great community! As Arnold would say "I'll be back".

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Geoff, it really doesn't take much, does it? Thanks my friend.

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      MizBejabbers 2 years ago

      First, congrats on your third anniversary. I notice that you got a few votes under “funny”. I didn’t find your hub funny at all. I have to agree with you 100%. I don’t know when or even if I got a notification for my 3rd anniversary because it was so insignificant. Three years and I have had ONE (1) payout. Now I realize that I write only spasmodically and for fun because I have a day job in the publishing field that keeps me worn out. However, it would be nice to have an occasional reward, even a small one, $10, would be nice to know that my efforts were appreciated. I started looking more closely at the earnings after writers who freelance for a living started complaining, and I was shocked at the reduction in remuneration.

      I stay with HP because I love you fellow writers. Except for some weekends when I’m on the run, not a day goes by that I don’t read and comment on several hubs and feel sad that I can’t do more. I have three hubs in the can right now that I don’t have time to put together because HP has convinced me that the graphics, photos, and layout are more important than what I have to say. Bill, somehow you have managed to keep yours together, I suspect, by writing on the same subject most of the time. I can’t do that. I’m not a teacher, and I have more ideas buzzing around in my head than Carter has Little Liver Pills.

      Anyway I hope HP takes your chastisement to heart. Keep up the good work, dear friend. Voted you up++, but not funny.

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      I keep saying that you're brave, Bro, but we need you to do this for sure. Someone has to stand up for us writers, and you're an excellent 'voice.'

      All successful businesses have rules that read like a spiritual bible, and staff (employees) are high up on that list. So let's hope that they listen to you, Bro. Chastisement necessary. Happy Anniversary! Peace,Bro.

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      amazmerizing 2 years ago from PACIFIC NORTHWEST, USA

      Nice hub... have to say CONGRATULATIONS on all of that extremely hard work. These hubs are not writing themselves... and I see they have a lot more demanding guidelines than most online writing sites. It really gives us Newbs a lot to think on though... I am not nearly as impressed with hubpages as much as I was when I decided to join. And what, its been like 2 weeks!!! But wait... if you don't get paid... DOES ANYONE???

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      When I read your 'A HubPages Three Year Report Card' I wondered how long it would be before HubPages would take you up your kind offer to work for them - for just a few hundred dollars a month. I felt really disappointed when they did not. I thought it was an offer they could hardly refuse.

      It took me a while but I finally figured it out when I read this. Why would they, when you are already fulfilling the role you offered to do for them, without regular payment! How sad and how shortsighted is that!

      I hope you don't leave Billy,

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, I have been thinking about this hub off and on all day. In the interest of fairness those outstanding hubs that get a huge number of hits no doubt earn more money for Hub Pages. Perhaps a tiered pay structure based on the number of hits or ad clicks would be the most fair pay structure for the author. Any outstanding piece of work is worth more than a poorly worded and structured hub.

      I was also thinking more about the copied content I got dinged for. How many ways is there to write about chocolate chip cookies? I wonder if these ever get nailed for copied content?

      I also took note on the suggestion of you having your own website. Not a bad idea and it would be a killer website with all the writers you know.

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Bill. You continue to tell it like it is and I cannot argue with anything that you wrote hear. I am coming up on my 3 year anniversary also so I'll keep a look out for my congratulatory e-mail.

      I do think that HPs needs to adjust their thinking and business model as times change. They do a decent job of trying to keep up with Google when things change, but they do not attempt to keep up with the needs of their writers. It is a fact that many writers are leaving for greener pastures and that alone would be a big red flag to me that something needs to be changed. If they don't go out of their way to keep someone who has dedicated three years and written over 900 hubs here then who are they trying to retain?

      On that note have a great weekend.

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      Angela Blair 2 years ago from Central Texas

      Hi Bill -- and congrats on putting the peg in the right hole with this Hub. As you've probably noticed I haven't written in the last year or so -- due to the death of my brother and the direction Hubpages has taken. Believe it or not I got the "five-year congratulations" email anyway -- I continue to read on Hubpages and have maintained friendships made on Hubpages which I value immensely. I'm just not the kind of writer HP wants anymore -- I'm a story teller and poet and have no talent whatsoever with "how to" pieces -- nor do I want any. So many of the folks I followed are now gone from HP (I still keep up with you, my friend) and I second your idea that it's time HP takes stock of what writers like you do for their site -- and for a fact -- where are they going should a mass exodus of writers occurs? Oh, yes, they just bought another site that provided them with a plethora of new writers. The old hack about "it is as it is" remains true -- but there's always room for a company to recognize the folks that lead the way for their business -- and you, my friend are one of those folks! Bestest/Sis

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      Jennifer Arnett 2 years ago from California

      I started to leave you a comment, but it ended up being way too long...1100 words, so I wrote you a hub. HP doesn't like comment links, but you'll know where to find it. :)

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      Jennifer P Tanabe 2 years ago from Red Hook, NY

      Wow, Bill, I am shocked that you didn't make payment! If such a prolific and popular writer as yourself makes nothing some months (hopefully not every month!) that's quite depressing. And I just love the way you wrote this hub about that "charming" congratulatory email! Goodness, to suggest you go to their learning center to learn how to write a "stellar hub" - surely even a machine can come up with something better to say.....

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      Rachael O'Halloran 2 years ago from United States

      I know we are not supposed to talk about exact dollar figures, so I won't. But I want to tell you how jaded my vision was about 15 months ago when I came to HP to moderate awordlover's account, which by the way is also 3 years old and received a similar (stupid) automated communication from HP. That email alone could make a writer leave this site because in the process of congratulating them for longevity (i.e. surviving but not always thriving on this site), they as much as said go read our FAQ's on how to write a stellar hub because we don't think you quite have the hang of it. But I digress.

      With about 50 articles or so on her account, it was already making payout nearly every month. I thought making money here was easy. When I started my own account, I thought after a couple of months of getting my feet wet and establishing a following that my monthly payment was in the bag.

      Now, nearly 10 months and 68 or so articles later on this account, I haven't received a single cent. I am so far from $50 requirement that it could be another 3 years before I see any money.

      Am I mad? You bet. Am I alone? Nope. There are quite a few quality writers here who haven't seen a first payment, or who have received some money but the payments have slackened off. So I can see why you mentioned that you didn't get payout this month when, like awordlover, you have had a steady check for most of the 3 years you've been here.

      While giving me two Editor's Choice accolades is nice, I'd rather they show me their appreciation with some money. I also won a T-Shirt for the Hubbie Award for Most Useful hubs which I gave to my friend Shauna B. as a token of my appreciation.

      Not making money here is probably a main reason why so many leave the site, second only to the quality of some of the writing which has been deemed QAP acceptable, especially from imported and new signups. The fact that I read in a forum that some Squidoo members have been paid for their 100 or more imported non-QAP (but featured) hubs (including comments that are over 2 years old) is maddening.

      HP has had their problems long before we got here and will probably continue to have problems long after many of us have moved on. They need to concentrate on retention and rewarding their breadwinners with cold hard cash, not accolades. I think the site has gotten too big to handle and their employees are not being used in the best way possible. Merging with Squidoo might have been a good opportunity at the time and made the site historical in numbers of active members, but was it a good move considering their staffing?

      Hiring all those new editors might go a long way toward improving hub quality but it does very little to cut down on the spam or address any number of other things that need to be fixed.

      The theft and spam on this site is high so hubbers are getting disgusted when nothing can be done about it, especially when the whole site has been cloned at least three times since I've been here, and HP does nothing about it.

      No need for me to go on. We all know of something that needs to be fixed around here. The question is: Will HP make the required changes before their writer base moves on to greener pastures?

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      2 out of 8 million would be 0.00005 percent

      That is why I don't watch the show, it fails any resemblance to anything real. Fiction or not some things are just too dumb.

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      Linda Lum 2 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Bill, your milestone does not even begin to tell the whole story. Not only do you have more than 900 hubs in that short period of time, but they are quality hubs. You have achieved more in 3 years than most of us will in a lifetime.

      You have stated your opinions very well, and I thank you for speaking not just for you but, I feel, for all of us.

      I know I am being selfish in saying this, but I truly hope that you do not abandon HP--you would be so very missed!

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      That's really surprising that you never made payout, what the heck? I love your hubs, and enjoy your humor and common sense when telling it like it is, don't you go anywhere will you? lol!

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      Sandra Joy Eastman 2 years ago from Robbinsdale MN

      Wow. As always I'm blown away by all the comments you receive and what a great job you do on your hubs. I too received some little form letter telling me that I had 1000 views and what a great accomplishment that was. Compared to your work of course it's nothing. Of course I've only been here a few months. After reviewing all the comment today and reviewing your hub itself I sadly have to admit that making any money on the site is is not going to happen. I do write because I love it and because it's a way of communicating with other writers. I love doing the hubs and I enjoy reading them. Obviously if the top writer doesn't even get a payout the hope of any monetary gainis is absolutely out of the question. Thanks again for putting it like it is. It's tough to take sometimes because the truth hurts. But I have to frankly say that hub pages belong in the toilet just as your picture shows. This is not include the writers of course but just the management. Thanks for another great hub and have a wonderful week. They wouldn't dare kick you out as they would promptly lose all their writers. Looking forward to your next hub.

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      Jaye Denman 2 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Bill, when all of the best writers on HP become discouraged and finally leave the site, it will then descend entirely to the poor quality of those sites (the names I won't mention, but I'm sure you know them) that feature poorly-written to mediocre "content." If HP administration want a hack writing site, they are certainly doing everything in their power to promote it.

      Lately, I've been bemoaning the loss of many excellent writers who simply could not endure this environment any more and moved on, taking their talents with them. If whoever is running the ship here wants visitors to HP to have the same reaction I do when a search engine pulls up a poorly-written topic on one of those hack sites I mentioned (which makes me cringe through about half of a sentence before I retreat), he, she, or they should not be surprised when THEY start losing revenue.

      Those of us who write to be read, to provide information, to offer creative writing (poetry and fiction), to improve our writing skills, and to foster the camaraderie of the HP community, will always be able to find a venue to fulfill those objectives.

      The question is: Can HP rebuild the site if their woeful neglect (and even mistreatment) of good writers chases them away? If the time comes when HP only has mediocre writing to showcase, who will want to read the stuff? Only readers who can't distinguish between good and bad writing? Right. Let's hope the HP Team takes your message to heart, Bill, before it is too late.

      Voted Up+++++ and shared!

      Jay

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      Nithya Venkat 2 years ago from Dubai

      Congratulations on your three year anniversary! It is sad that you did not make a payout after all the great hubs that you have written. I write here because of the wonderful writers here who take the time to read and support me. I hope you continue writing out here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you MizB. I used to be all over the place with topics and it was wearing me out. :) Seriously! Now I just concentrate, for the most part, on teaching, and twice a week I write hubs I love to write...my creativity needs to be let out of the box occasionally.

      Anyway, I'm glad you are here and that we are online friends.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Manatita, I've always been a little mouthier than I need to be at times....but what's the worst they can do, kick me off? I'll still be a writer.

      Blessings my friend and Happy Weekend to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      amazmerizing, it's important to note that I don't write SEO friendly hubs. That's the key to payment....keywords and search-friendly topics. There's hope for you yet. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I figured that out too...too late. :) I'm not going anywhere unless they kick me off the site. Count on my being here...we'll grow old together. :) Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, I'm sure there are a myriad of ways to make this site more fair. The question is: will anyone at HP listen to reason? Like you said earlier, their business model is failing miserably. It might be time for change.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Bill. There is no doubt that HP provides a wonderful platform for writers, and they do try to stay above water with the Google changes....but...

      and that's a big but!

      Happy Weekend, buddy, and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Angela, thank you...and thank you for staying in touch with me even though you don't hang out here very often. We have lost a lot of writers who don't fit the HP mode, and I think that's a shame. I'm one of them, but I'm too stubborn to leave...plus I've got some darned good friends here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jen...1100 word comment? I'm rolling on the floor laughing. I love it....I'll get to your hub shortly. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      jptanabe, I don't know what to say, this hub to the contrary. LOL Thank you! I just think writers are getting the short straw here, and I might as well speak out about it.

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      Abby Campbell 2 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Woohoo! You said it like it should be told, Bill! Thank you for saying it for all of us. I use to love HubPages. Now, it's just a medium for my own selfish gain. I hate to say that, but it's true. I only have a fraction of the hubs you have in 3 years so I can only imagine how much of a loss you took on your earnings as I've taken a big cut too. I miss my friends here as well, and there are a few I worry about as they were poets and no longer post here or on Facebook. Their writing was an outlet while gaining encouragement from their friends. Now I don't know whether they are alive or dead, and it breaks my heart to think what could have happened to them. They were loved here, but HubPages shooed them away unfortunately. Congrats on your 3 years. I do hope some of the HubPages staffers read this hub as they really need to hear it and apologize. By the way... your photos were cracking me up... a little humor with all the seriousness... great combination! LOL.

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      Janis Leslie Evans 2 years ago from Washington, DC

      Congratulations, Bill, on making 3 years. Your stats are impressive and deserve a special award. But what's more impressive is the candor with which you speak truth and not hold back. If there's anything I hate more is a form letter response from HP when I send an email addressing a very specific concern. It's so weirdly dismissive. Thanks for saying it outloud. Up and awesome.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 2 years ago from Mississauga, ON

      Happy third anniversary, Bill! And that outburst of anger, well, they needed to hear that. But is anyone listening?

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      Luis E Gonzalez 2 years ago from Miami, Florida

      You put into words what I have been feeling for a long time. Good for you for telling it like it is!

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Thank you for your three years of dedicated writing here for all of us who love the community for the writers and friends, like you. I am sending you a big ole southern hug of comfort via cyberspace ...hope you can feel it : )

      I will get my email towards the end of March. Payout? I just received my first payout last month or so LOL, after almost three years! However, I am not here to earn money at the moment.

      Oh, I see you did receive your Three-Year Accolade ...

      Christy Kirwan actually commented on one of my hubs one time. She is real and seems nice ... Hey, they just need a thousand more Christys!

      Big (((HUGS))) and much love always

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Oh bro...what a rock star you are. Seriously. Looks like every single person loves this hub almost as much as we love you. What's not to understand and appreciate? Every word is truth and we are listening and grateful to you for speaking on behalf of all of us. Will it get through to Admin? Will it make a positive difference and turn on some much-needed light? Like you say, Hope is free. If any one knows how to appreciate FREE stuff, HP writers sure do. We have to.

      Your statistics are mind-blowing. I have often mentioned that Olympia must surely have 48-hr days. You are to be commended, thanked, recognized and applauded. A bonus Paypal deposit for your hard work, dedication and genius work, shouldn't take but a moment for any reputable company to make. or not.

      Just one more little statement....To HP: You suggest to Mr Holland to "visit the Learning Center?" Newsflash...billybuc IS our learning center.

      You might want to unplug the computer that spits out those embarrassing form letters to the human beings who make your money for you. We deserve so much more. Why must you be told this? How very fortunate you are that we writers love one another so much.

      BRAVO Bro. from my heart. Sis

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      Venkatachari M 2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      Much distressed and sad to know about your not getting a pay cheque despite the fact that you are receiving so many comments and views on your hubs. It's too much alarming, Bill. And the greetings!!! It's so awkward to see them sending greetings and applauses too much irrelevant. I also wonder at their computer messages giving tips to improve and about thoughts of the day or fun facts so ridiculous. I hope, now at least, they will realize their mistake and try to be more humanistic.

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      peachy 2 years ago from Home Sweet Home

      i never get those messages, maybe they had misunderstood you? I say, you are brave to write this hub, kudos

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      I love how you put HP staff on the spot Bill. They do need to be held accountable. I received a similar automated message after five years here and was also directed to the learning centre to find out how to write a stellar hub, admittedly I have only written 180 odd in that time. It took me 10 months of being with Adsense before I got my first payout, and going on dropping monthly figures it will take me 12 months to make my next.

      The only personal communication I have had was also from Christie Kirwin about the mug I won in the Hubbie Awards. I agree that it could at least be one staff members job to send out personal congratulations on anniversaries..it would show the writers that they are respected as rea people. Important hub here, voted up.

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      Judy Specht 2 years ago from California

      No offense to HP, but since Simone Smith left, the human factor has declined significantly. I wouldn't know a HP staff member if they left a note with their name on it. I have been to HQ several times in the past for training, but that was when I first arrived. Who are these masked people?

      So sorry that so many have bailed. All the people who went to Bublelews, where did they go since it folded?

      This is a very important hub indeed. Going to Vote all sorts of thing on your behalf.

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      It is not fair on you for not getting paid knowing how popular you are here. Sharing your hubs daily and you always have a list of comments.

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      It is not fair on you for not getting paid knowing how popular you are here. Sharing your hubs daily and you always have a list of comments.

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      justholidays 2 years ago

      Congratulations on that milestone, Bill. Although I've never paid attention to that emails and thus never read them (or never got them on my main account) I must say I was a bit surprised to read on yours that you had to check out the learning center. What a wrong way to send best anniversary wishes! But knowing HP and Squidoo very well, I can now see a common pattern: the lack of respect for their money generators. Anyway, respect and heartfelt congratulations from me, another human being ;)

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      its okay Billybuc.. you go right ahead and get your bitter on.... I got my bitter on too when they sent me a note expressing mile-stones..LOL cold empty email generated by whom? LOL I got you back once again chum.....

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      Ann-Christin 2 years ago from UK

      That's a great letter Billybuc and I think you speak for everyone on Hubpages. I stopped writing on here a while ago as it wasn't worth the effort and my precious time. The only people who make real money on writing sites, are the owners and just like the working world away from the internet the workers are not appreciated.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 2 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, I got one of those cold impersonal anniversary e-mails, closely followed by a poll requesting a vote on the possibility of recommending a friend to HP. All well and good, but do they act on the result of those polls? I think not. This needed saying, well done.

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      Lisa Marie Gabriel 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I am new here and came over with the Squidoo transfer and I have noticed that it is just the same! That can't be good. I tried to get my pages in line with the new site from day 1 unlike some who just left the violations up. My reward was to get a whole load unfeatured while the bad ones remained. I had two educational pages unfeatured for "spam" when they had virtually no products but linked twice to my free educational website. In all fairness Paul Edmondson did reply personally and they did get re-featured but it makes one want to weep. Especially when you see shopping cart pages that have been here for years. It seems to me that, while they are running round in a panic trying to figure out why Google hates them and ignoring good writers like you, they are circling the drain. The time has come to look for alternative ways of getting traffic to HubPages and stop treating their unpaid staff writers like naughty children. Squidoo did that - punished their writers and circled the drain for two miserable years before getting sucked down.

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      Char Milbrett 2 years ago from Minnesota

      darn reasons all may argue... D R A M A ... I'm new here, but not new to writing and advertising and stuff. Being a writer doesn't automatically ensure that people will not x out of your page before getting sucked into buying something from the advertisements that show up on your pages. All I can say is YIKES... and ANOTHER thing.. why don't dogs growl when they are drinking water from the same bucket as all the other dogs...??? because they'd choke to death, right?

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      Kathleen Cochran 2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      There seems to be a subset of us hubbers who joined about three years ago. Don't know if it was just the first blush of a new love or if it really was the glory days of HP, but shortly after joining it seemed the motto became: The beatings will continue until morale improves. The insulting apprentice program through the insanity of featured and unfeatured hubs - makes you wonder if management has any idea how to motivate employees. And that's what we are. We're making money for somebody - or at least we were. I write what I want and appreciate the support I've enjoyed from the community. I have no plans to go elsewhere. Hope my favorites (and that group increases every day) don't either.

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      CrisSp 2 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      What else can I say but congratulations! And hey, this is not computer generated. It is in fact, one that is coming straight from the heart. :)

      Take it easy now Bill and enjoy your weekend with Bev and the chicks!

      Love and twinkle from the sky~

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Agreed, Brad! I've read some fiction that stretched reality so far as to render it useless.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I have no plans on going anywhere, and it's because of all of my friends here...so thank you for the very kind words. This was a cry out for the little guy, and gal, who are not getting a fair shake here at HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, considering the kind of writing I do, the payout, or lack thereof, isn't really that surprising. I don't play the SEO game and never have, and they do warn writers about that in the Learning Center...so they have been honest in that respect. Anyway, thank you and I'm not going anywhere.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sandra, that's sweet of you to say, and I thank you. I don't ever want to feel like I'm bigger than HP. I'm just a writer among writers who cares about all of you. That's why I wrote this. I want writers here to be recognized and treated with respect.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jaye, as always, you stated your points eloquently and logically, and I agree with every single one of them. This can be a quality content mill or an inferior content mill. Administration has to decide which they want. You are right...if they showcased the great writing that happens here, they would draw more writers here...it seems so logical to me, and yet they just don't see it.

      Thank you!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vellur. I'm really not sad or angry. I just want writers to be treated with respect, like the real human beings they are.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Abby my dear, you are like so many who come here with high hopes, only to find out it's all a bit of a sham, and it saddens me when writers like you leave.....you are appreciated by me, and don't ever forget it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jan, candor is easy when you have nothing to lose. LOL Thank you so much. I love this community and I want to see it better, as I know you do.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Luis....I'm just stirring up the pot a bit. Let's see how it tastes when I'm done stirring. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, I could feel that southern hug of comfort, and it was nice and I thank you for it. You are right....a thousand more Christys and we'd have a pretty good site here. :) Like that's going to happen, right?

      Hugs coming back at you, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, Sis, you are a doll, and you know I love you for it. You said it perfectly at the end...how very fortunate HP is that we writers love one another so much...if not, there would be about ten writers at HP writing recipes and never knowing one another.

      You are special, my friend, and a joy for me to know. Thank you!

      love, hugs and blessings coming your way

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Venkatachari M, we keep hoping, don't we, that changes will come soon. It seems that all the writers understand what is wrong but none of the HP staff does...how is that possible?

      Well, I appreciate you, sir, and I thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you peachpurple. Brave? Just concerned about my friends who leave here because they are not appreciated.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I don't know why such a simple thing isn't implemented. I'm sure management will say they can't afford to have a staff member just work on community relations, but at the rate they are losing members, it seems to me they can't afford not to.

      Thanks, buddy. Have a great weekend!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      tirelesstraveler, you hit it on the head about Simone. She really did make an effort to keep in touch with writers...heck, she still does on Facebook. Everything you said is true. The numbers are dwindling and we all know why.

      Anyway, thank you so much for being a member of this community.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE. I don't think it's fair that all of you work so hard for very little. The very least you should get is a human being communicating with you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      and I thank you again, DDE!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      justholidays, from one human being to another, thank you! I don't want to change the world (well, I do, but that's another matter) I just want writers treated with respect. Is that asking too much?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frank, yes indeedy...cold empty emails....what a farce. I guess I just received one too many of them.

      Thanks for being here, buddy. We'll see if anything comes of this.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Chrisin, it's so nice to see you again. Thank you for taking the time to visit me and share your thoughts. I hope all is well in the UK and in your life.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jo. Oddly, if they sent me that poll, I would probably say yes, I would recommend a friend come here, because people like you make it all worthwhile.

      Happy weekend to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LisaMarie, you certainly nailed it on the head. A perfect summation of the problems here. If you can see it, and I can see it, why is it so hard for HP to see it?

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I heard you and I appreciate it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Firstcookbooklady, thanks for your thoughts. Your analogy of the dogs drinking was pretty funny.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kathleen, I love your line "the beatings will continue until morale improves." I don't know how to add to that. Perfect!

      I'm staying as well, but it sure isn't because of staff and management.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, those messages straight from the heart are always the best. Thank you dear lady, and Happy Weekend to you.

      bill

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      This whole thing reminds me of my Corporate days when the "bean counters" were given control of the company. It was always a downhill slide with the "bean counters" in control because they actually knew nothing at all about our business. Good customer service is at the bottom of their priority list because good customer service is nothing but another expense item in their books.

      Could it be that the "bean counters" have taken control of Hub Pages and that is the real root of the problem?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 2 years ago from Fontana

      Thank you Billy Buc! Over the past year and a half my participation has been very little because my time is valuable. No one could have expressed this better than you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oh, Mike, I think that is a very real possibility. I remember those days in business, too. They would bring in a team of "experts" who told us how to run a company right into the ground.

      Happy Saturday my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Diane, and you said it perfectly: your time is valuable, and you should be rewarded for that time. If not in money, then at least in personal affirmation.

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      Billy, congratulations on the 3 year anniversary. I think we would all agree that HubPages would be a better place to publish if it paid better. People who have their own sites are smart, but that would get lonely to me.

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      moonlake 2 years ago from America

      My message when I hit 7 years here.

      I can't buy myself a laptop, tablet, phone, camera, notebook I don't make enough money from Hubpages.

      Hi moonlake,

      You have hit a pretty impressive milestone—your 7 Year Anniversary on HubPages!

      Fun fact: Copper and wool are traditional anniversary gifts exchanged by couples who have reached their seventh year, but one popular alternate is a desk set. Perhaps this is the time to buy a new set of HubPages writing tools (laptop, tablet, phone, camera, notebook...). You know... for your desk!

      Take a look at our Learning Center guides to creating a Stellar Hub with a successful, search-friendly title to make your next Hub a real blockbuster. Already have an idea? Start your next Hub now!

      Thanks,

      HubPages

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      TIMETRAVELER2 2 years ago

      Bill: Regardless of what you said in this article, it is obvious that what the team sent really hurt your feelings. I know of no other hubber who has worked as long or as diligently as you have or has received so little for his efforts. I read recently that when someone treats you poorly, it is not because of you. It is because of them. You cannot control what others do, but you can take strength in knowing that what you are doing is good and just. I got the same letter recently but really did not pay much attention to it, and thus was not upset. Like all writers here, I have had many ups and downs, and recently the downs have been pretty low. However, I understand that HP is a business that is run by a very small staff that is trying hard to stay afloat. Yes, that was a poor piece of PR, but in the scheme of things, to them it was low on the totem pole of importance. Is it more important to appease writer's feelings or more important to keep the doors of the business open? The answer, at least at this point, is obvious. They really should be trying to do both.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It would get lonely for me too, colorfulone. I'm happy here, but I want changes so my friends don't leave.

      Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, moonlake, I couldn't have said it any better myself. I have no words, other than congratulations on your seven years here, and I'm glad you have stuck it out. Thank you!

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      Sherry Venegas 2 years ago from La Verne, CA

      OMGosh. 900 articles did not get a payout? Adsense, I would think should give that. Views declined for me too. The first month redirects on 174 lenses from Squidoo gave me a payout. Now I get less than 25 cents a day.

      Is it all because of Panda?

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      Kathryn Grace 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Billybuc, thank you for writing this article. When I first came over from Squidoo, I decided to look at the change as one door closing, another opening. That old saw, but it stands us in good stead sometimes.

      My niche is rather small, and I've never enjoyed the tens of thousands of visitors to my pages that many folks reported on Squidoo and a few still report here on HubPages, but I had a small, loyal following.

      That first month after the move, I dropped almost everything else in my life to learn about HP and to bring my hubs into line with their guidelines. It seemed every time I updated a hub, I lost ground, then more ground.

      Then a couple of months ago HubPages reneged on its promise to give us four months to re-do our lenses/hubs and suddenly started unfeaturing hubs for "lack of engagement." Unfeatured, of course, they were no longer visible to Google, or so I understand, and lack of engagement became tougher and tougher to overcome.

      When folks complained in the forums about this broken promise, one of the Hub staffers, perhaps Paul Edmonson himself, told us they never promised to keep poor-traffic hubs active. That was certainly not our understanding at the time. What we remember is something like this: "Don't worry! You will have four months to re-build traffic to your new HP subdomain and to clean up any problems."

      By then, seeing my little niche collapsing under me, I decided to spend the majority of my online time elsewhere, as I have a lot of places to put my talents and making money has never been my big priority either. Making SOME money was nice, though, because it helped to pay for what I call my writing habit.

      Billy, if you cannot make a $50 payout in one month after three years and with your 900+ superb hubs, what hope do we lesser mortals have of ever achieving any success here?

      My objective now is to leave most of my hubs in place and see what happens over the next year. I don't expect to spend a lot of time driving traffic to them or building new hubs. I've got too many exciting places to spend my energy!

      Thank for your candid article and your bravery in speaking out. You illuminate a systemic problem at HubPages, one I hope management is making a high priority to discuss and address with alacrity.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      paperfacets, the timing of the drop would suggest Panda. I see a rebound happening, but much slower than normal. Oh well, we've got each other when all else is missing. :) Thank you for visiting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, everything you say is true. I've been in business for a good many decades, and I've seen this sort of thing time and time again. Doesn't make it right, but it is no surprise. Thanks for your views...have a great weekend.

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 2 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      An excellent article with valid points put forth in a constructive way. Back in the early '80's I was the part of a couple of start-ups in the telecommunications industry. They're both still in business today. One company in particular set a high standard for itself for customer service; not because they expected anything in return from it, not because they were trying to 'manipulate' people into thinking they cared either, but rather because that was the high standard the company set for itself; that's how they separated themselves from the competition, and still do.

      What I learned those 30 some years ago was a lot - a company must put customer service above everything. With the internet, and automation being placed above all else, it's wise for companies to go the other way - that's how they'll stand above the crowd - It worked 30 some odd years ago, and I'll say without a doubt, that's what will win in today's technology driven environment. What's the quote, the only difference between 'ordinary' and 'extraordinary' is just a little extra.

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      Deborah Demander 2 years ago from First Wyoming, then THE WORLD

      You seem to have touched on a nerve (again) that is shared by many writers on this site.

      It is discouraging to have the HP staff seem to be so uncaring and unconcerned about their writers, who do the work to make the site successful.

      I appreciate your candor and your writing. Thanks,

      Namaste

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ecogranny, I truly am sorry for your experience here. It does not surprise me, and that fact alone is sad. I know you are passionate about writing, and I know you were excited about being here when the change occurred, and I think it's a shame that your fervor was extinguished. Best wishes to you. Thank you for speaking your mind and telling us your experience. Maybe down the road, change will happen.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brite, I couldn't agree more. No one can convince me that customer service isn't important. I don't care how automated we become, and I don't care how advanced technology is, we must have customer service...we must show people that they matter, or they will go somewhere where they do feel they are heard and cared about. Thank you for a great observation.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deborah, if HP truly cares about their business, they will listen and react. It's as simple as that. They could be something great. Let's see if they choose to be so.

      Thank you as always.

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 2 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      And Billy, by the way, you're a great example of what 'good customer service is' because you ALWAYS take the time to respond to people's comments on your posts - I remember you writing about that in another one of your articles

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Voted up all the way, not that it will make any difference to HP. Billybuc, you have absolutely told it like it is here. I've been removing hubs as much as I can for some time now. After my first two months, I saw the writing on the wall and there's no place here for an ex-Squid who, by the way came here with 353 lenses, and now through deletion of unwanted lenses, and moving some of them to my own sites, I now have 194. I'm still moving them little by litte. I came across the very first Hub I wrote in August, when I first transferred. It sounds so hopeful and full of positive energy. It didn't take long for the treatment at HP, to drain that out of me. Yes, I'm moving all my content to my own sites, because if I'm not going to earn...then I might as well not earn on my own site. At least I can put what I want to on there, which I sure can't here. Thank you, thank you and thank you, and while it lasts, I'm sending all my group The Writer's Door, to read this Hub.

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      Thelma Alberts 2 years ago from Germany

      CONGRATULATIONS Bill! It really surprised me that you are not earning much here at HP. With loads of articles you have written,I'm sure this site have earned a lot from your pages ads. I hope somebody from the staff can hear you.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      To be fair, HubPages is built around articles, not authors. If some guy wants to find an article on building a doghouse, Hubpages wants to be at the top of his search engine's listing.

      It's no more complicated than that, so if you're a fiction writer with a reputation as an author, HubPages is probably not for you.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      To be fair, HP wouldn't exist if it were not for the writers.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Yes of course Linda. But my point was that the search engines that HubPages relies on for income look for articles, not authors.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      To be fair why would a Voted Best Fiction Writer be on HP, kind of contradictory and a bit rude I think.

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      Ethan Digby-New 2 years ago

      Your article really surprised me. I'm new at HP, and I'm still in the stage of either fully committing to HP or switching to another site. Hearing that worries me, especially when we look at your stats and realize you've been here three years (congratulations by the way) and have nearly one thousand hubs under your name. After reading your Hub, I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to do. But I would like to thank you for bringing this to my attention, and by any chance could you offer some advice? Thank you again, and condolences on the way HP is treating you and all the other hubbers.

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      Jean DAndrea 2 years ago from Victoria, Australia

      When a long time HP writer such as yourself writes an article like this, it sounds a warning for a newcomer here (from Squidoo) to look at why they are here. Perhaps it is time, as Nancy says to consider moving some articles to my own sites - they don't seem to be doing too well here. I do like the forums though, and spend most of my HP time there these days, not writing new articles. I seem to have lost motivation recently.

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      Laura Brown 2 years ago from Barrie, Ontario, Canada

      For me the big issue is the lack of protection or care about content scraping for writers here. When I asked about the issue I was referred to a form page where I could get information and do it myself. HubPages does not care.

      As you wrote, they make money from writers here but don't do much to actually appreciate the people who write here. I've been on the fence about staying or going. I do get a payout every few months. But, in the real world it is far from a living wage. But, it has been nice to have some income.

      I do have my own sites however. All the content which I have here could be on my own sites instead. I can protect my content from scrapers there but I can't do that here. So, what is the point of staying in the long run? I do take some pride in stats here and having been here for years. But, HubPages doesn't care. Your email about the leather thing and referring you to the Learning Centre is ignorant.

      People writing here aren't making enough from this site to buy themselves gifts. If you include the cost of being online, the time you put into writing for the site it does not work out. I was one of the Squidoo writers who came over but I have been here long before that with this account. It was so easy for Squidoo to close down and just dump us all. There was no loyalty really and it is the same here.

      If anyone is staying out of loyalty they will be badly let down at some point. May as well just leave now and not wait for a site that feels more like a telemarketing job than being a valuable part of the network.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Brite....greatly appreciated. I'm just giving back to a community that embraced me early on when I didn't believe in myself. Pass it forward, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, as much as I hate to see you or any other writer leave here, I understand completely. Best wishes on your new path, and thank you for following me and commenting. I appreciate it greatly.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, there was a time when I did pretty well in earnings, but the latest Panda just about wiped out my earnings. Oh well, I still have my friends. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, there is no doubt about what you say. Unfortunately, they are losing a ton of writers with that business model....so I thought I'd give them something to think about. Thanks and have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yep, no doubt, Linda, but as Will said, there was no sleight of hand here. I knew when I signed on that they wanted evergreen articles. That's not my problem at all with HP. My problem is simply the lack of people skills that they have.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Will, and I understand completely what you are saying.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Linda.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for stopping by, Ethan. Words of advice? Follow the guidelines in the Learning Center, writer evergreen hubs that are SEO friendly. How to articles do quite well here...craft articles, cooking articles, travel articles....those are what the internet wants.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Snakesmum, make sure you realize what does well and what doesn't do well here. Evergreen articles do well, and you can still earn money here writing those. I don't write them. I was making a decent income here until the last Panda attack....so I'll never say you can't make money here, but fiction writers and poets really need to look elsewhere if it's money they are after.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      There isn't any people skills. When you hear about writers being unfeatured, questioning the reason and being told tough, that is the way it is, still without any specific reason provided, or being shut down completely and banned for speaking out, for questioning, that shows the people skills they have, which is zilch. These sights have the mentality that we need them. The reality is that they need us or they wouldn't have a site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you That Grrl...I would have a hard time arguing with any of your points. I stay here because I enjoy the community of writers so much..no other reason.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      I only have a couple of hubs left on here. I have turned off ads. I have heard of writers being removed from earnings program because of clicks on ads coming from Russia. I checked my stats, and there we go, traffic from same location in Russia. I know I moved hubs at one point, and took a hiatus for year. I have moved them for a second time, but this time there won't be a hiatus, it will be for good. Funny how we move content and do very well with Google, using the same content on our own sites.

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      Tonie Cook 2 years ago from USA

      It takes an extraordinary amount of bravery to create something from nothing, as an artist this much I know. The sheer volume of your hub pages is enough to leave one in awe, let alone that you were able to accomplish the feat within a few short years. Congratulations on your anniversary with Hubpages.

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      lovedoctor926 2 years ago

      Congratulations Bill! You are one of the best writers on the hub. I totally understand how you feel. I agree with Charlin099. It does take a lot of bravery to write something like this, but very well-said my friend. You are an inspiration to all of us here.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi LindaSmith1!

      I had no intention of being rude or contradictory, so if I was not clear, I apologize.

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      Tracey Boyer 2 years ago from Michigan

      Maybe you should follow your friends to greener pastures. I can't imagine what you have found about this community to love. It is about as warm and friendly as a basket of snakes.

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Jadelynx, hahaha! Well, billybuc has been here longer than I have, and I'm sure with his helpfulness and his charm and writing ability, he's made lots of friends. It's hard to leave your friends. Now as for me, I have no problem. I've taken most of my friends with me into The Writer's Door on Facebook. And of course, all online writers are welcome to join. But, it must be hard for him to see HP in these circumstances...just as it was hard for us to see Squidoo become indifferent to our woes when we wrote there. Billybuc is a good enough writer he doesn't NEED to be here, but he likes his friends and he's concerned for them.

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      Fiorenza 2 years ago from UK

      Bill, Congratulations on your three year anniversary but so sorry to hear you have been treated this way.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda. Your last point is valid, but it would take a mass strike to bring about change, and that won't happen.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Linda. I don't know anything about the Russian connection. Interesting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Charlino...you might say I am driven and focused. I have a five-year plan and I'm sticking to it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Doc. Bravery? What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm banned from HP? There are many green pastures out there that would welcome me, so I'm not too concerned.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Will, but I didn't think for a second that you were being rude.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jadelynx, thank you! I have many more friends who are still here, and I love interacting with them. One does not give that up easily if one values friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, I honestly couldn't say it any better. The only reason I joined HP was to make friends. I still have them here. When I can't stand it any longer then I'll make a change.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so very much, Fiorenza. That was very nice of you.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      HubPages could easily remedy the situation and also encourage excellence from its writers by simply listing the annual winning authors by category on its homepage with links to their sites.

      How hard could it be?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, it seems to me a good programmer could set that up in an hour.

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      Giovanna Sanguinetti 2 years ago from London UK

      Hello billybuc I understand what you're saying and how you're feeling. I also understand that you're not in it for the money and you wouldn't desert all your Hubber friends. I don't have much to say about Hubpages - I'm ex Squidoo and came here at their recommendation!! Can you help me leave this sinking ship? I started writing online to see if I could make it pay. So far I've been very, very disappointed - but Squidoo were much more welcoming and supportive than Hubpages have been. In fact your kind welcoming hub and your encouragement helped me a lot when I first came here and I'd like to thank you for that. Have you any advice for a poor lost soul like me? Where would you go? I wonder if you can help me - where the hell do people go to get paid for their hard work writing online??

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      Dale Hyde 2 years ago from Tropical Paradise on Planet X

      I just came finished my three years here earlier this month as well and I also got the same generic email. Nothing like automation with no personal aspect. I have nowhere near the amount of hubs you have, however, I have deleted about 66% of my material here and published it elsewhere over the past year or so due to the facts you mention. I have no plans to publish new material here as it requires too much time and too much tweaking nowadays to make it beneficial to myself or for sharing with others.

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      I can understand giving someone a generic congratulations e-mail if they haven't posted in a while or if their hubs have not been featured. With a case like yours, a personalized congratulations may be in order. It seems to me that things should be easily fixed with an if/else statement. I would code it myself if I knew how.

      It's great that HubPages has one person who cares about the users. This community manager is clearly good at her job. I hope she's able to convince the other fourteen Hubpages employees that users are content and should be made to feel welcome.

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      Michael Anyanwu 2 years ago from Sweden

      Sometimes you don't need logic to know a statement of fact. Great article but more of an honest one.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Adventure, I honestly don't know where to send you. There are times when you have a better chance making money on your own blog, and maybe this is one of those times. I'd hate to see you go but I would certainly understand if you did.

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dale, I understand. I hate that things have come to this at HP, and I understand why writers would leave. Best wishes to you on your new journey, and thank you for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Molly, I agree completely. It shouldn't be that hard to fix what is broken; all it takes is the will to do so.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you donmike. I appreciate you stopping by.

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      Chitrangada Sharan 2 years ago from New Delhi, India

      This hub perhaps expresses the sentiments of many of us. Very important points raised by you. And imagine with 914 hubs, you did not get a monthly payout.

      I hope the site owners feel concerned and take it seriously.

      Congratulations for your 3 years anniversary and thanks for sharing this awesome hub!

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      Jenn-Anne 2 years ago

      Billybuc! Hello my friend! Another well-written hub that said a few things that needed to be said. I am one of those people who has more or less left. I keep my hubs here but haven't written anything new in ages. I recently started blogging elsewhere and am really enjoying it. No, I don't get paid, but I'm not getting paid here either and I have more freedom, more fun and (shockingly) more readers. (If I can remember how, I'll email you a link so you can check it out.) I do hope things here improve - it saddens me to see great writers like yourself not getting much support and not earning. That makes no sense! All the best to you my friend!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ChitrangadaSharan, thank you so much, and have a wonderful week.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jenn-Anne, I'm so glad you hear you have a blog and you are still writing. Good for you, and thank you so much for stopping by. Send me that link, please, and I'll follow you.

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      dragonflycolor 2 years ago

      Personally, I think you would look fabulous with a leather purse decorating your shoulder!

      I'm glad you've pointed out so many issues and have provided a way for other hubbers to sound off. It is maddening, it is faulty, and it is obscure to say the least. The program is broken and remains to be unfixed. I love reading and connecting with everyone, but at the same time, I want writing (among other things) to replace my full time job. So, on the fence am I and will remain until a catalyst arrives.

      Thanks for your words of wisdom, Bill!

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      I really wish I had time to read all the comments, but I just don't. I could not agree with you more!

      In fact, not five minutes ago I started drafting an email to you to tell you that I am backing away from HubPages-not quitting altogether or anything like that, but backing away!

      I have a business to run, HubPages. I spend gross amounts of time on this site trying to be a better writer, trying to encourage other writers, trying to make money as a writer. This is far worse than copy mills, which I refuse to write for on principal.

      Hmmmm, I need to pull my head out because I'm a contributor to HubPages, which is far worse. Like you, I stay for the community. But there comes a time when the community has to say "enough is enough" and strike.

      We have blogs, Bill. Anyone who follows us here could just as easily follow our blogs. And you and I have both developed true friendships and relationships with some of the members here. Those wouldn't go away if we left. We could still do what we do elsewhere, especially you since your blog (for anyone reading this other than Bill, please go to his blog-you'll find a link in many of his posts) is specifically aimed at writers.

      I'm not making a challenge or calling you to action so much as I am talking out loud.

      The whole thing just galls me. You are too good for HubPages.

      I will say for my part, I don't want to play with HubPages anymore. I want to work and play with people and organizations that care and are working to truly make a difference in people's lives; community is all well and good but a writer can't pay the bills with community. And all the thumbs up and kind comments are nice, but a writer, a real writer, needs critical, editorial support. HubPages is just Squiddoo wrapped in prettier paper.

      Rant over. Now I go to submit a piece to a real publication, one that will pay me actual dollars and that will reject my work if it's not up to par. That is a better use of my precious time and an endeavor I know you support.

      Thank you, Bill.

      P.S. I'm not bitter either, just a realist.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Mari, I'll take into consideration what you said about the leather purse. :) As for a catalyst, let's hope this article serves that purpose. Thank you my friend, and Happy Monday to you.

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      DREAM ON 2 years ago

      A tangled web we weave as the HubPages continues to deceive. When billybuc is not heard what are we to think My word. If they would only listen and seek your suggestions and help. Many people might say it sounds like a modern version of The Three Blind Mice.Well I believe we accomplish a lot more by focusing on the good than the bad so I will spend my efforts reading what makes me happy not sad. I have one problem is that when I go to one of your hubs I still have to read every comment and a day and a half later I get to post mine. Congratulations on three incredible years of writing (leaving the HubPages staff something to think about.) With all your superb hubs and so many wonderful followers you still found the time to read my simple, caring poems. I never once got an automated response like nice hub. Which would be very easy for you to do. You instead took your time and heart on your honest opinion. Yes it took time and effort and you show it in your comments and in your 914 hubs. Well I am waiting to see your 2015 new awards to add to the rest. Some suggestions for HubPages might be An Early Bird Award for the Most Consistently Honest Hubber. Is that asking to much. All I can say it's hubbers like billybuc that we are all here. Congratulations on 3 years of sharing. I am happy to be one of your 2,257 followers and I will still be here when you hit a million followers. Thank you for all that you do. Have a great day.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheez, Cristen, why don't you say what you really mean? LOL I mean don't hold back girl. Get it off your chest for God's sake. :)

      Thank you my friend. Point made and delivered and heard.

      Thank you!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On, that is such a lovely thing for you to say. Thank you. I love this community...and I believe in community supporting one another...it's as simple as that, my friend, and I know you understand.

      bill

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      Bill, Happy Anniversary! Over 900 hubs is impressive indeed, but I am very worried about you not making payout. We cannot have that, my dear friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Flourish. It is what it is. I knew coming into HP that I was not the type of writer who would make big money here...so I'm not surprised.

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      Christy Kirwan 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Bill, thanks for this honest (as always) criticism of your Hubbing experience. Your Hubiversary really is an incredible accomplishment, and one that deserves celebration. I hope this email hasn't soured the occasion for you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you. Christy. I really appreciate you sharing that. I do celebrate my three years here. i have grown so much because of HP and I will always be grateful.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      Bill, congratulations on your three year anniversary. And also, you're right that us writers are human beings and we deserve more than we're getting right now from this sight.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      it appears, vkwok, that quite a few agree with you.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      Absolutely vkwok. The funny thing is apparently HP thinks it is all about a computer generated anniversary letter. They haven't got a clue, or should I say yes they do, but they don't care. After all, writers are a dime a dozen. With the economy the way it is, people trying to find ways to earn an extra buck, then writers are a dime a dozen.

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      To me, the anniversary letter was just the straw that broke the camel's back, not the entire issue. For three years work, and 9o0-plus articles, anyone would begin to wonder. Frankly, I know Bill's writing and his subjects are not the problem....I believe HP just isn't getting the views they used to get since all the Panda updates. More people are moving to their own blogs and websites simply for the reason that they aren't making more than one cent an article, if that, on a site like HP. We are more than halfway through the month...I have 194 Hubs...As of today, I have earned 1.13. To me that's an insult. It was the same last month, and the month before. I have no reason to leave my writing on this site, because unlike Bill, I'm an "invasive" species, having moved here from Squidoo. He loves this community, just as we used to love ours. I'm sad for him, but happy that he is in the midst of friends.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, your last sentence said it all about HP and other content mills. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you again, Nancy. You stated it perfectly. Friendship and loyalty go a long way with me, but even I have my limits. I'm going to hit 1000 articles and then I think we'll see some changes by summer.

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      LindaSmith1 2 years ago from USA

      I am done with these sites for the most part. I use one now for articles I can't use elsewhere. Writing on these sites is like renting your home. I am tired of paying another persons mortgage and for their vacations. Now I will do my own thing, on my own sites, and reap 100 percent of the profits.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Glad to hear it, Linda. Best wishes to you.

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      Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

      I just got one of those emails congratulating me on my 300th follower. It related a "fun fact" about an astronomer who discovered 300 asteroids then was murdered by his brother in law. Touching sentiments...but I guess it's the thought that counts. Is this a call for Civil Disobedience on Hub Pages? Seriously though, with the imminent demise of Bubblews I think some old friends will trickle back in. I love your very "real" hubs, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mel, Thoreau has always been one of my favorites, so who knows what this is, right? I could be channeling the old guy and not even know it.

      Interesting about Bubblews....could kind of see that coming.

      Thanks my friend.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 2 years ago from Fontana

      While we make no money, isn't HP making money off us us? I wonder how much they are making off of us who do not earn enough to get a payout?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Diane, it would be fascinating to know those figures. Somehow, I don't think we'll ever be told. :) Thank you!

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      Albin Pius 2 years ago from kerala,India

      If not hubpages then which site is the best for a great support as we receive here from the members and also for a better boss?

      And as for you not reaching payout Bill ( or uncle Bill ) how many of your hubs actually get search engine traffic.I know that you are a great writer one worthy of mention but I wonder how many of yours gets a comment from a google user.Isn't that how you earn from ad clicks...

      You have provided more help to the community than for yourself.It's a bit ironic.

      I think its best for all if you could become a staff member..doesn't anyone think so?

      Sorry for my bad english if anyone notices.

      Thank you.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      Yep, it's tough Bill. Like you, I am a very strong believer in community so I'm really torn on a personal level. I'll figure it out. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Sereseus....I don't know of a site that will earn you better money. HP is as good as it gets, and I'm not sure that is good news.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I will too, Cristen. I'm not worried about it, and I actually wrote this for all those on HP who really need the money and the contact by staff. Thanks for always being here.

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      Teri Hansen 2 years ago

      billybuc, by the number of responses you have received I would say you have certainly hit a nerve with the writing staff, (uh, that would be us) I am an ex-squidooer that got pushed over just to have someplace to house my articles until I could decide what I wanted to do and just to test the waters. I'm not impressed. I am currently working to eliminate my articles and find other homes for them. Although I may have to leave just one or two just so that I can continue to follow you. Thanks for your work and validating what I was already suspecting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you bead at home mom....it pained me to write this, because I love HP. I have gained so much from it...but...well, you know.

      I hope to see you down the block as we continue our journeys.

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Who is listening?

      The choir, us, the writers, we are listening.

      If they would listen to anyone, it will probably be you since they know who you are---as well they should.

      I am not even sure they know who I am (and that is partly my fault). Although I must give a positive note here...within the last 24 hours I have received no less than four correspondences from the Hub Team because of a glitch on my MIni Dachshunds story. Quick and very helpful support.

      But I get what you are saying. And speaking out about concerns is how an organization is made better---it is constructive and hopefully will be taken to heart.

      I won't leave here because of the lovelies like you who are here bu PR around here could be stepped up several notches.

      More Angels are on the way this evening ps

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, you said it about as diplomatically as possible...PR could be stepped up several notches. Nicely stated, my friend. :)

      Thank you for being you.

      bill

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      Rhonda Lytle 2 years ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

      You surly hit the nail on the head as to why there has been a mass exodus. Goodness knows I'm looking for any new platform I can find that might be acceptable. I used to love this place with a passion. Now, I come here only when every other site I know is down, slow or boring me at the moment, not because I don't really love some of the writers here but because of how they are treated. A kind word goes a long way but the constant thinly veiled rudeness and blow off of we are working on it and will get back to you reminds me too much of the rhetoric that comes from governments and large corporations that would just as soon see one dead as take the time to honestly answer anything. It's a shame. This could be such a wonderful place.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rhonda, I couldn't agree with you more. So many of my friends left for Bubblews, but really they left because they felt no appreciation here.....and that was a year ago and no changes have happened since. I don't think I'll be around to celebrate my fourth year here, and I didn't think I'd say that. Anyway, thank you. It's been a pleasure following you and getting to know you a bit.

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      Cam Lewis 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      I am new to Hubpages, and I wish to thank you for what I feared was going to happen- discrepancies of somewhere payouts are involved. I will publish my first 10 hubs then see how things go.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cam, I hope it goes well for you. Welcome to HP and thanks for commenting.

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      Cam Lewis 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      914 hubs is quite an accomplishment, at any endeavour quite frankly. Your purpose to trudge on, at place that has left you saturated in rancor, is rather admirable. I now feel the need to follow suit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cam, it's the community of writers who have kept me here. I love this community, and I hope you find some similar friendships. Thanks once again for the visit.

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      PE Hardwicke 2 years ago from Midwest USA

      At this point I only want to congratulate you on all these hubs, and especially on the awards of a helpful and supportive hubber. I am looking forward to reading more of your useful tips and hints. And thank you for the encouragement: you wrote me the first comment on one of my hubs.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eva, thank you very much. I look forward to reading your work and counting you among my online friends.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      And then, there are those of us that DO take our material for greener pastureS…now I have more material to move...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes indeed, Deb! You are the poster child for taking it to another level. Way to go, Deb!

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      Rolly A Chabot 2 years ago from Alberta Canada

      Hi Bill... judging by the comments and yes I got a slap with leather as well... in total I have been there 5 years, two accounts I closed completely because of many of the points you raised... Keep up the fight...

      Rolly

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rolly, I'm not sure how much more fight I've got in me, but we'll see. I know it's lonely without so many of my good friends who have left for greener pastures, or bigger trout in the lake. :) Thanks my friend.

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      Lana Zakinov 2 years ago from California

      I went through a similar process with Bubblews. Nice idea, good writing community, but terrible management, no concern for writers, and measly compensation (recently slashed down to bare bones). It's tough finding a decent writing platform...I like the self-publishing thing on HP - I don't want to knock on everyone's doors' every time I write an article, but they have to raise revenue sharing, this is just ridiculous...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kalinin, it is for sure, ridiculous. I wish I had the answer for you, but I don't. All I can do is wish you good luck.

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      Claudia Mathews 2 years ago

      Hey Bill, this is a real eye opener. Being new here, Im not sure this is the type of read I want to see lol. It concerns me that there is little chance for the new group of writers coming along, when someone in your position isn't even getting a monthly payout anymore. Im seriously bothered by how little they care about the hands that feed them here on HP's. You deserve much more than a congratulatory message like that. I wonder if anyone at HP's will see this Hub... do they read these? Did you send it to them? At some point if there is enough fuss they have to take a step back and look at their practices with an eye toward making some positive changes. Congratulations on sticking it out for 3 years and developing such a strong following.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Claudia, thank you for the kind words. I don't want to discourage you...if you are here only for the money then you have a tough road ahead of you. If you are here for a platform and to become a part of the community, then you are in the right place. I, for one, am glad you are here. We need more new members like you.

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      Claudia Mathews 2 years ago

      Thanks Bill, I won't lie. I am not here ONLY for the money, but I did join with the expectation that after enough months or years, enough hubs, followers and awards, learning as much as you can applying it to your hubs (considering the amount of hours that go into participating here) that a person could be assured of a SMALL residual income, every month, from all the work they have done.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Claudia, it depends entirely on the types of articles. Craft writers do well here. How to articles do well. Recipes do well, and special niches like diabetes do well....you can make money here but your articles have to appeal to a wide audience. :)

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      Bill, I'm here to ask a quick question: is it worth it to sign up for Hubpage's Ads system. Obviously it won't make me rich quick - I'll be pleased if I make enough money to buy a dozen gum balls. I'm not here for the money. I'm here for the experience more than the money. But money doesn't hurt.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Molly, honestly, I don't see how you can lose signing up for the Ads system. As long as you stay with HP, or I guess as long as you live, you'll be making some money. If there is a negative to that I don't see it. :)

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      The only thing I can think of is that running ads makes me fill out paperwork. Not too big of a deal if you ask me. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Exactly, Molly! And who knows, you might go viral with a hub and it will all be worth it.

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      Jill Spencer 22 months ago from United States

      Your photos really made me laugh. And the email. Sigh. It's hard to believe that's real. OMG. Sorry for your pain, but reading this has made me feel better. I got a half-assed editing job on my most viewed hub, and now the views for it are way down. Published a new hub today, and watched the score plummet ten points within a few hours. You're right: you have to be here because you like to write and interact with other writers. And for the photos. (:

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      Bill Holland 22 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dirt Farmer! I'm glad you enjoyed the pics. I do love it here, but it's only because of the other writers, like you, who are so warm and supportive.

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