When You Are Changing an Article (Hub), What Do Your Readers See?
Many times in the forums I have seen successful writers share that a writer should not publish on only one site, that they should diversify - not put all their eggs in one basket. So, wanting to be a "good writer" and wanting to make smart choices, I looked around a little and decided to try to publish some articles on infobarrel. I unpublished 4 of my Alzheimer's articles on hubpages and started moving them to infobarrel. I figured, if nothing else, I could backlink my Alzheimer's articles between the two sites and work on SEO. But it was a very painful experience for me!
Publishing and Editing on InfoBarrel
All articles on infobarrel have to be pre-approved before being published until you get to a certain level. (I never made it to that level.) This pre-approval process makes sure that everything published is quality content, but it's time consuming also. I had to wait two or three days after publishing an article for it to be approved and put out on their site. And it took a couple re-iterations until I got it right, so it took about 8 days to get my first article out there.
And then, a few days later, I saw a mistake on it that I wanted to fix. I had to unpublish it, fix my mistake and wait two or three days more days for it to be approved again - just to fix a typo! In the mean time, the hubs I had here at hubpages that pointed to those articles had bad links because the articles on infobarrel had been unpublished. What a pain!
Editing on HubPages
So I wanted to know how things were handled here at hubpages and I asked a question in the forums: Can someone read your hub after you have published it, while you are doing subsequent editing? What I thought someone would think to be a silly question, turned into a really decent discussion. Many who took part in the discussion also learned new things. It's not a terribly long thread, so if you are interested, you might pop over there.
Here are some of the things that were gleaned from that discussion.
- Jerrico Usher answered the question with an affirmative. And even more interesting, explained that if the hub was published, crawled by the google bots, and then unpublished, a person can still view the cached copy of the hub in google search results. That was really good to know. So if I am working on it, and someone wants to read it, it is still available for them to do so. Almost like having your cake and eating it too.
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- Jerrico Usher also shared some additional unrelated information about something that I have nicknamed the "oops button". Jerrico shared of a time when a capsule had been accidentally deleted (I've done that one a few times), but the hub hadn't yet been saved by clicking the Done Editing button. By opening another tab and opening the same hub in the new tab, was able to retrieve the hub back in its previous saved state. Thank you, Jerrico! That is really great to know. Many times I have wanted to undo something that I had done, but found myself frustrated by my inability to do so.
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- Glenn Stok shared that changes being made on a published hub can be viewed while making those changes as long as the person reading the hub refreshes their browser. Other scenarios are presented about when someone might only see a fragment of your changes and how and why you may not want that to happen, and what you can do to prevent that from happening. Again some very good information to know. Check the forum out for more specific details.
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There many other little tidbits that can be gleaned in that thread if you choose to go read it for yourself. You may even have more insight into this scenario and can add to the discussion and find yourself mentioned in this hub in the future.
So to sum this up, a hub is still available for others to see even while you are in the editing mode. And even more surprising, the editing that you are doing is going out live even before you press the "Done Editing" button! This was fully verified by paradigmsearch.
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shogan added this amusing statement after paradigmsearch shared the above information, "That's potentially frightening, if you're goofing around with the editing." So, you might want to be careful about "goofing around"!
The changes that a person makes to their hubs are continually being saved and backed up automatically, and are therefore continually available for anyone to see. If you do not want someone to see the changes being made to the hub while you are working on it, you need to first unpublish it. Then do your edits, followed with publishing it again. Potential drawbacks to unpublishing your hub are also addressed in the forum.
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Comments: "When You Are Editing a Hub, What Do Your Readers See?"
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Millionaire Tips - I now think about this quite alot when I am editing a hub. I often do most of the typing in word so that I can get it into my hub quickly. Sometimes it's not that easy. I have even hidden capsules that I have been working on so that someone will not see what I am doing.
It really makes you think, does it?
Thanks for stopping by!
That is interesting - I figured people would be able to read the old hub until I published the new one, but I had no idea they would be able to see the changes as I was making them. Kinda scary if they only see half of the changes. I have a tendency to make a lot of changes. Hopefully not too many people are accessing the hub at the same exact time as I am - and more importantly getting the wrong info.
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DonnaCosmato - I also am glad to know it just wasn't ME! If have certainly changed the way I edit my hubs, often working in microsoft word and then quickly cutting and pasting my changes. Thanks for stopping by!
Great hub and extremely helpful. I know I'll be much more cautious when I edit. Also appreciate the information about the other site; gave them a try but wasn't too impressed so I'm gratified to know it wasn't just me. Voted this one up!
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AEvans - It is kind of scary to know that they are seeing something and probably wonder what the heck I was thinking when I left something half done, when in fact i was in the middle of something. I do things a little differently now.
I pleased that you find this hub helpful, as I want to help people as much as I can. Thanks for stopping by!
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MsDora - I am happy to share what little I have been able to learn so far. I am glad you found this useful. Have a great weekend! And thanks for stopping by!
Brilliantly written! I tell you all of us always learn something new everyday. I will be honest, I always had an odd suspicion that people could see what we were doing if we did not un-publish and edit. lolo! :D I could only imagine what they are seeing on the other side. Wonderful information, thank you for an informative hub! :)
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Happyboomernurse - I'm glad you found this hub useful. There are so many things that I do not understand that I want to. And I know it all takes time. I also know that sometimes people are afraid of asking dumb questions. My husband tells me that I put myself up and make myself too open for attack, but oh well. I'm just me. I'll ask the dumb questions. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks again, for sharing about your experience with that other site, and about editing on HubPages. I know that other people have said thanks, but I wasn't one of them. Voted USEFUL!
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adrienne2 - I learned a lot when I asked that simple question. I am more than happy to share what I learn, because sometimes it takes a long time to find this type of information. Thanks for stopping by.
Great info! I had occasionally wondered about the things you addressed in this hub but never looked into it. I do try to make edits after publication as quickly as possible and it's usually something minor like deleting a photo or adding a new paragraph or changing dates.
Thanks for sharing this. We all should understand how this works.
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Victoria Lynn, thank you so much! I didn't know they could see it either. It has really stopped and made me think about how I edit hubs now. I try to create as much text that I want to rewrite in word so that I can just cut and paste it in quickly and someone doesn't see me stumbling around with my words. Thanks for stopping by!
Hi Homestead, I learned alot from reading your hub. First I just assumed when we unpublish our hubs its no longer visible, well I found out I was wrong. Thank you for sharing this information. Good gosh your experience at infobarrel sounded like a bad case of the waiting game. HP has it going on above all others when it comes to having a place for us writers to hone our craft. Also I love your graphic you use after each hub inviting readers to comment, or rate your hub. Did you create it yourself? I would love to do something like this at the end of my hubs. You are really an asset to HP community. Thank you for choosing to write here.
Great hub, homestead! I didn't realize that people could see the revisions as they're being edited. Interesting hub. Voted up, useful, awesome, too!
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jerrico - thanks for the hub in the hub! Thanks for stopping by!
(tip/story): I'm going to tell you about a test project that made and is making me a lot of money. Let me explain a bit about it.
First of all- this hub has almost 2 MILLION visitors BY ITSELF.
It started out as a short 10 step hub I wrote only to consolidate the easy task of removing a pimple overnight so I could stop repeating myself over and over again to my friends. My mom gave me the tip out of a magazine when I was 9 years old!
In 3 years this hub BLEW UP with traffic (with NO interaction from me, hell I forgot about it), comment conversations, incredible interest.
The keyword I used on the hub has been #1 in Google for 2 years now and gets about 10-30 comments a day, for a while now, it's at 800 comments!
I decided to turn that hub into an entire website when I realized the keyword "Get rid of a pimple overnight" was NOT taken (www.GetRidOfaPimpleOvernight.com)!!! I even own the keyword another site doesn't even realize how to optomize (get rid of a pimple) I had the content I wrote rewritten into a 1k word document to put on the home page 6 mo ago.
My writer/ghostwriter did such an amazing job in researching it that I decided to convert this into a 10 page adsense monetized site. I ended up rewriting it into my own style and was interested in the details she found that I did my own research and a month later I had 15 pages on the site @ roughly 1k words EACH- yes, I expanded her 1 k into 15k or more- and with MUCH more detail and coolness.
(that costed me 20.00 by the way which I've recouped in a week on the sites earnings AND IT WAS THE HUBS OWN EARNINGS I USED TO PAY THAT!).
The pimple hub was making roughly $100-$200 a month and has been there (earning that)for 2 years (Hub is from 2008). This is due to the #1 spot on Google for keywords I used (not just the one above). (comment conversations made this hub famous and links to it are in the thousands from great high pr sites like yahoo answers etc...)
The site (my domain) WITH NO PROMOTION other than two links in the hub itself one at the top and one at the bottom started getting about 1k unique visitors from the hub page! That's half what the hub gets in a day on average.
The site started earning over 100.00 a month before the end of the month- this is the power of funneling a powerful hubs traffic- it doesn't deplete your hubs earnings, at least mine didn't.
After about 4 months (I purposely didn't promote the site so I could see if the hub could sustain a decent income and traffic to it with no promo- it absolutely did!).
I decided to test another trick of moving the sites content (which I think is phenomenal for what it helps people realize about acne) BACK to hubpages into a "hub series" because of hubpages better monetize options with no maintenance and I wanted to see what would happen :)
It's now in the hubpages realm and deleted from the site (getridofapimpleovernight dot com). It's been a few weeks and it's starting to ramp up in income faster than the site did!
Now what I didn't do was just link to the new series and delete the original hub. The entire webiste encapsulates the original hubs premise but expands it drastically- but even that part is original content, so what i did was kept the hub in place as it was (It was updated earlier this year for SEO, images and format as it was originally just 10 steps and one paragraph and horrible looking but still ramped up with conversations (comments) traffic and likely hundreds if not thousands of free backlinks to it).
I originally just forwarded the domain traffic to the first hub in the new series which became 15 beautiful hubs (I learned a great deal of formatting tricks in that transfer).
So the idea was to still direct traffic to the url of the website but then funnel them back to the HP hubpages account to the first hub in the series.
The forward for some reason wouldn't take- and frustrated 2 weeks later realizing nothing was forwarded,(but earnings STILL hiked up!) I decided to build a page to manually redirect them- to explain the series and they'd click an image hyperlink and go there.(did this tonight)
The reason for this is to track the traffic from the hub into the new series- to see if it was effective and analytics data.
What I ended up coming up with for the site was a gorgeous looking landing page (IMHO) that points them to the series, includes the navigation box on all the hubs to every other hub (which was problematic on HP as there were so many links that it came up as dupe content! but they waved it through telling me to make those links worded uniquely in the future)...
So far everything's taking off but the site is a new thing, the hubs are starting to get mad traffic (all of them! and some comments)...
I'm thinking of making a video introduction for each hub by recreating the old directory tree (how the sites pages were set up) explaining the hub, a quick voiced summation and generally filling them in quickly about each page.
These voice overs will be monetized by YouTube!!! and being on youtube embedded into my site they will get youtube syndication traffic!
It makes the site continue to stay interesting, people stay on the page longer due to watching the video (which excites them about seeing the hub which is highly informative) and I'll summarize my words on the video into the page for SEO and search engine ranking-my hope for the url/domain/site is just to maintain it's position in the serps, but if it too earns, great!
In summary, I have a power hub (earner), a power site (earner which I'll also in a month start to promote with normal Internet marketing promotion tactics, article marketing etc.. )
as another test and money generation), monetization via YouTube video (they contacted me about this which was cool- I wondered how you could join that program), and adsense which will also appear on these pages- all built inside a superapprentice template (with some off SA work in my editor Kompozer and Sothink (free)...
I'm pretty excited about this. Why Am I telling you about this? Because this is HOW YOU MAKE MONEY ON HUBAGES AND EXPAND THAT POTENTIAL OFF HUBPAGES... and this is just ONE hub I'm doing this with that took off...Can you make a fortune on HP, dam right you can.
Hope this wasn't too long- I think I drastically increased your hubs word count here :) Happy earning!
I may write a whole separate book in my course (yea the eBook became 3 eBooks, now 4 maybe) on this...
-Jerrico
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I heard her say it to... with my own ears...
I love it! self-professed obsessive goofer arounder of editing...
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yes, alezafree, as long as you know that what you are doing can be seen, you can goof around as much as you want, or don't want to! Admitting is the first step! LOL
You're so welcome! Are we having fun yet? LOL
Thanks for stopping by!
As a self-professed obsessive goofer arounder of editing this is very valuable information. I have a problem. And I need help. Admitting it is the first step. Thank you!
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I appreciate the offer, but I am going to be a little tied up the rest of this month. Tonight, I just signed up to do the NaNoWriMo and I'm already two days behind. I will be spending a bit of time in November tackling that. I don't have photoshop, but I might be able to figure something out. Thanks. It's good information for someone who does have photoshop.
I used photoshop to make the headers. If you watch the video on my how to make page jumps (linked above) you will see the process unfold in real time- took me 5 seconds to build a template and I can reuse it any time by saving it as a psd file.If you like or need one just chime in and I'll slam one together for you.
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Jerrico - that did work! Thanks. To save time I would probably just highlight and contrl-C the numbers from the first save omitting the _f123 - just less clicks. But I got it now. Thanks!
Well what I do is click on the image if it is clickable (to make bigger) and when you go to save THAT one the last trailing numbers and _underscore are not there. You must use ONLY the first set (5 numbers I believe) of numbers the others are something else.
I'm not sure what those numbers are I assume it's the thumbnail name as thumbnail images (smaller ones they use in the page vs. the larger one are two different pictures completely and saved as two so I think that is the distinction number set like naming an image: image1.jpg and image2.jpg but in their system they use a different post number scheme :) likely for tracking purposes and simplicity (or search engine results reasons).
When you make your hoplinks just right click save image as and copy every number before the underscore and your good. The token itself is: #img_url_NUMBER OF PICTURE
Also don't use the image name like .JPG .GIF etc......
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Okay, Jerrico. I did the rabbit hoplink like you described in the last two above examples and that was pretty neat also.
But as a test, to make sure that I understand what you are doing, when I was on the page where the rabbit was, and I clicked on Save Image As, the number that came up was 5702788_f260. What are the additional characters, "_f260" and what do I do with them?
All of the images on the screen contained that same suffix. This suffix appears both in firefox and internet explorer. Not sure if it matters, but I checked.
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Jerrico - I went through your hop links hub and that is really pretty cool. I can see where I might really want to do this sometime.
But, another silly question: How did you, or what software did you use to, create pictures of the text you used to create your hop links on?
Thanks.
Since that reloads the page when used hitting the back and forth button on your browser to hop back and forth to the last and next hop (if they visited both)(if you put that url in your hub exactly as it is (with both lines merged into one url) they can click that to hop to that picture, you can have them hop all over the place (notice I used your "rabbit" image as a "hop" image lol
another "token" is used in comments you get in your email i.e.:
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https://hubpages.com/misc/When-
Editing-a-Hub-What-Do-Your-Readers-See#comment-6712640
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(the url won't go unless I cut it up, they cut it off for some reason although it works it won't show you what you need to see so the two lines are one url)
The # sign is the token trigger, and when they click that link in their email it sends them first to the hub, then to the #comment- section.
I believe the number is the picture name assigned to that particular hubs box/background image above the comments in that hub. neat stuff.
I use the hoplinks when in a new hub that's about something simular to another hub I want to link to to show them something (without having to rewrite the material and risking dupe content issues)
I'll go to that hub and add a picture, grab the pictures name and build a hoplink directly to that picture (you can do it also to elements like text headers but thats more complicated).
the token for image hoplinking would be: #images_url_000000 where 000000 is the image name.
You can hopo other peoples images in their hubs too...
actually I'll do that on yours here, copy this url into your browser and hit enter: (make the two lines one long line to complete the url i.e. after [ - ] (no brackets) the next line is the continuation- comments won't show it all for some reason)'
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https://hubpages.com/misc/When-
Editing-a-Hub-What-Do-Your-Readers-See#img_url_5702788
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Your hub should load to that cool rabbit picture... :)
have you seen this hub: https://jerricousher.hubpages.com/hub/Hoplink-Test
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Jerrico Usher - You are probably right. When I started writing and started on HubPages, at the same time, almost 3 months ago, I thought my head was going to explode. There is so much to learn and the more I learn the more I realize I don't know.
I have done little else but learn and write over the last three months. I even fall asleep with the computer on my lab.
If you would be interested in someone putting your hints and techniques through their paces, I would be more than happy to evaluate them and give you feedback. I was a mechanical designer before we adopted special needs children, working on a CADD system designing medical diagnostic equipment, so learning new things is stimulating, especially those with computers. I used to evaluate different softwares for implementation into the drafting environments.
I told my husband that my computer and I are joined at the hip. And I think we can safely say that I am a real hubber learning the ropes. But you decide. Thanks for stopping by!
I thikn your head would truly explode if you realized how much information there is to share- it's enormous- especially where the hubpages algorythm goes... I truly believe that HP is the place for newbie internet marketers (a term used loosely to describe making money online in any way but personally I think sounds like amway on the surface) to start. My idea is to teach people to come here FIRST and build a powerful account THEN take further steps when your "IM Schooled in Stree Smarts" so your not taken by those scams out there (courses etc... that are unethically written but only really work for people who have resources and background experience!)
You keep promoting me I may just send you a free copy of my book later :) haha... I would like some feedback from a real hubber learning the ropes.... but it's finsihed and being edited (I can't stop adding things to it!!!! it's about to become 3 books instead of just one and a video series... I just love this site- so much fun!)
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Jerrico Usher - You have so much information to share and it's wonderful that you are willing to share it.
Thank you for sharing in the forum that this hub is based on.
I have really enjoyed and learned from your Ninja Hub series. I'm looking forward to implementing some of the things I've learned.
Thanks for stopping by!
Oh one more tid bit I learned yesterday. In your "earnings" section if you have your drop box set to "all programs" or the like, it will say "pending" for yesterday's earnings. Thing is yesterdays hp ads program earnings are usually already ready to look at but because it only updates after ALL programs data is in (even if you have nothing earned) it won't show you anything for or include yesterdays income in the lot- BUT
If you set the drop box to "Add Program" you can see just the HP ads earnings none the less- right now I have only those, no Amazon or eBay capsules but am adding them when I find time- this new change is going to make us some serious money guys!
YOu realize that a hub that starts conversations (usually outside of hubbers though) is an earning hub? One way to tell what hubs on anyone's account that earn is to scroll down and see how many NON HUBBER conversations it starts.
I protect mine with a little trick I learned and feature in the capsule itself called "only show last 20 comments". As much as I love the vanity (and the added content to the hub (Google considers it as normal content!))
I don't like internet marketer hubbers finding my "expensive" niche hubs and cloning them. The exception is one that I'm using in my book so I left the comments open.
By showing only the last 20 you cloak the hubs earning potential (for one way they find them). I'm just full of tips, actually that's one from my eBook there- I called the section the goose that laid the golden hubs... mind if I plug my book here? If not delete the comment :) www.hubofpportunities.com I just thought who needs this mroe than the people watching this hub?
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RTalloni - Thank you for stopping by the forum, and for stopping by here!
Interesting to read more about this. Thanks much for help in thinking this through!
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brandasaur - Welcome to hubpages. There lots of good hubs and lots of helpful people here at hubpages. I'm not sure if you ever stop learning. Thanks for stopping by!
Hi! Just started in Hubpage and still learning my way around. Its nice to bumped into this thread while im still a beginner! A big help! :)
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mary615 - It can be moved. To move it from here, I unpublished it and then deleted it. Once it has been removed from your accounts page, which takes a day or two, then you are free to move it. It takes a little longer on infobarrel because you have to request for them to do the deleting. But I have done it both ways and then republished them back here with no problems. You just have to make sure it has been deleted from one place before you put it on the other. As long as you don't have it in more than one place at once it is okay. It is your stuff, you can do with it what you want, but only in one place at a time. I hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the question. I had the same one at the time that I was doing this, and that's why I now have the answer.
Thanks for stopping by!
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september girl - I'm glad that you enjoyed the hub and found it to be useful. I think brain wrinkles are okay, most people won't even notice. :)
Thanks for visiting!
Thanks for all this good info. I'm going to find the forum thread you mentioned. I read where people "move their work" from HubPages to another site. I didn't think you could do that once it's pubished here. Am I wrong? When I first started blogging I went to Blogspot, and I'd like to move some of my stuff from there to here, but here again, I don't think that's allowed.
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Yes, Debby Bruck, it is the same thread. And it was a really great thread made all the better by so many people adding good information to it. Thanks for stopping by, there and here.
Very useful and good to know info you have shared here, homesteadbound. Thanks for the tips and advice, even through those you gleemed through others. I now sport a new wrinkle in my brain. : )
Hello HomeSteadBound ~ I've been following the Forum thread https://hubpages.com/forum/topic/84605 and hopped over to see your article, which tabulates and summarizes all the notes. Many thanks for this great job! Blessings, Debby
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Glenn Stok - Thank you so much for all of the valuable information that you shared in the forum. Thanks for stopping by and for the votes.
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Jackie Lynnley - Yes infobarrel has google adsense. Click on the link in my profile. I try to have all the things ironed out before publishing, but every now and then, things slip by. Thanks for stopping by.
You did a great job documenting the forum thread. We all learned a lot from one another, thanks to you getting the thread started with your great question. I marked this hub awesome and useful. And of course voted up.
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inthenickoftime77 - I'm glad you enjoyed it. I do want it to be interesting and helpful. Thank you for commenting!
I will check out this other place you mentioned because actually I post hubs here unpublished and it is easier to iron out if there are any errors before I publish it so that doesn't bother me at all. Does this place have Google Adsense too?
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FloraBreenRobison - so glad you stopped by and added even more information to the hub. I really appreciate it. We have so many talented people here at hubpages and I am always learning from all of you. Sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, but I'm soaking it in as fast as I can.
Thanks for sharing and for stopping by!.
Great Hub. Lots of interesting & helpful tips & advice
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Jerrico Usher - The thread really did turn out neat, especially since I did think that it might be considered a silly question. I'm so new at this that I can have silly questions.
I like the tip you shared about refreshing the screen. That would make answering multiple commenters on the hubs easier also. I will add this little tip into my hub luv hub that goes out on Sunday, and again you will get credit.
I only have one hub on info barrel, and I think it has been read 3 times in over a month. They do not have the community there that we have here. I do not know of anyone that is there. I have also heard their payout is higher. I have a link on my profile page if you decide to do it. I would get some payout if you do go there. Someone ought to, it may as well be me.
As far as the wait goes, I think it just goes into the queue and sits until they get to it.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do! And thanks for providing such good information on that forum thread, and thanks for dropping by!
I knew some of this information. For example, I knew that the information that was on the hub is still there until I save changes and all is not lost. there have been times when my computer has freezed in the middle of editing (usually at 12pm, 5pm, or midnight) where I just open up a new tab and start again adding the new information with nothing else gone. But other information was new to me.
heres another tip, if you leave a comment on someone's hub and it won't let you leave another one you can just refresh the page and the box reappears hehe.
I wanted to ask you about infobarrel, I was thinking of publishing over there and was wondering if anyone was making money there. Do you know anyone that is? I hear their payout is higher- I really don't know much about it... that whole wait and wait and wait thing has me thinking I better wait till I'm more patient to play with that- how annoying to make people wait 3 days for a typo edit?
Nice- yea that was a fun thread, we got pretty far off topic but in an informative way none the less! thanks for crediting us with our information!
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Thank you cmontijo - I hope it will help someone. It was a question I had after my experience with InfoBarrel. Thanks for stopping by!
Good Hub :))!!!
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