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When Hub Weeds stifle my Hubpatch

Updated on July 10, 2011

The Challenge

It was about a week ago when Ryan came bounding onto the forums like an excited puppy who had just found his master's slipper under the bed.  "Ahoy Hubber mateys!  I'm doing this challenge, who'll join me!"  Attracted by his drooling salivating jaw, we followed him into the forum, lapping it up as specks of drool dripped on us every time he shook his big puppy dog head when another excited thought entered his brain.  Hordes of Hubbers followed him into the forums as if he were the Pied Piper playing a magical tune.  One has to wonder, if like the Pied Piper, he isn't leading us to our hubbing deaths.

The challenge was set, 100 hubs in 30 days, or for those who have a life and a job, 30 hubs in 30 days.  Hundreds answered the call and took up the challenge.  Little enticers were cunningly placed in the forums, comments that activitated our greed and promised hubbers of added clicks and the possibilty to earn more money.  Greed gets people every time.  Instead of earning your usal 53 cents, if you take up the challenge, you'll get more clicks and perhaps earn a whopping $1!  "Wow!  Simply amazing, I have to do it!" was the response of many.  Others thought the challenge might stretch them and came up with the 'airy-fairy' bullshit, that the challenge will stretch them as a writer.  Hogpuppies I say to that!  This challenge ain't stretching anybody as a writer and it's definitely not making your writing improve.  If aything, it's making you regress. 

So, why did people take up this challenge?  There are three reasons why people do anything.  Gold, Glory and God.  Some people actually think that this challenge is going to make them rich, so that they'll be able to give up their day jobs and work full time churning out pieces of crap that are filled to the brim with keywords, so that the actual writing makes very little sense and isn't even readable half of the time.  Others do it for Glory.  "OMIGOD I managed to write 100 pieces of crap in 30 days!  Aren't I just so wonderful and smart!"  Others do it because it's a great vehicle to bring others to the Lord and share their Good News with all and sundry who take the time to read their hubs. 

But in this case, there is a fourth reason, which is why I said I'd do it.  It's called Mob Mentality.  It's why we have riots and people doing stupid things they'd never usually do, like breaking shop windows, pouring petrol on people and setting them on fire.  Mob Mentality is what made many of us jump on the bandwagon without any thought of the consequences.  They're all doing it, so it must be a good idea, so I'll do it.  So, I said I'd do the 30 day challenge.

For every action there's a consequence

Like I tell my own children and the kids in my class, for every action, there is a consequence.  Sometimes, we get so caught up in the action, we don't always think about the consequences.  Then, when the consequences come up behind us and bite us in the bum we are astounded and amazed and often aghast.  I have a sneaky suspicion, that the powers that be did not take the time to think about the potential consequences when they thought this challenge might be fun.  I think initially, they were caught up in the whole Greed and Glory thing.

There were hubbers who saw past the hype and voiced their concerns. They were dismissed like we dismiss homeless people on street corners with signs begging for money wired around their necks.  We were all so caught up in the moment, that we never listened.  For those who came onto the challenge forum, and were a little hesitant, we all coerced them to join with our little encouraging messages, "Way to go!  You can do it!  So glad you've joined!"  Whatever our intial reasons for joining, we got swept up in the Mob Mentality, and those who had prior commitments, or saw the flaws and didn't sign up, were left behind like outcasts, dismissed like lepers left on an isolated island, to fend for themselves in the Mob Mentality hub feeding frenzy.

Hub Weeds are choking the life out of my patch

While some people are trying to maintain the quality of their hubs they had before, many are churning out mindless crap, spamming hubtivity with nonsensensical badly-written hubs that are filled with keywords and not much else.  After a week, the challenge is taking it's toll on those who take pride in their work.  There is something about pressure that dries up creative juices, like a piece of kitchen towel soaks up the spilt tea.  I fear that the talented and gifted hubbers in this challenge might achieve burn-out as they overwork their brain cells to continue to create under such pressure.  Some are already considering changing from 100 hubs to 30 as they will not sacrifice quality for quantity.

But in the meantime, many of us have turned off the email notification option as our mailboxes have been overflowing with email notifications every time one of our fans writes a new hub.  Now, we have no way of seeing when hubbers who write what we like to read, write new stuff.  This affects the Hubbers who did not take up the challenge as well.  I can only imagine how irritated they must be with all this.  In fact, as a result, some have left the Hubpages Community.  The Hub Weeds grown out of this challenge have stifled the life out of their little patch in the Hub Community.

I used to enjoy reading and commenting on hubs of my fans and finding new fans on the hubtivity.  This creates harmony in the Hubpages Community.  This is how we tend our little Hubpatch and maintain it so that it grows.  However, all this challenge has done, has filled the Hubpatch with weeds, some of them rather toxic, so that the good plants are finding it difficult to continue growing.  Some plants have become so stifled by the weeds, that they have withered and died.  I fear for my little patch.  I write for enjoyment on Hubpages, not money.  However, this challenge appears to be a joy-killer. 

This hub is dedicated to CC and others who have had the joy-killing weeds stifle their patch.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Think we'll crack open a bottle of wine, Blonde?

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      blondepoet 8 years ago from australia

      Throw another shrimp on the barby

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Well Cashmere, glad you found your way here in the end!

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      cashmere 8 years ago from India

      Cindy I did not do the hub challenge because I just didn't have the time. I was also caught up in the 3Gs but I guess the main reason I could not follow it up was I knew I couldn't waste so much time on the hubs this month.

      Initially I used to enjoy commenting on hubs, but with close to 40 hubs pouring in each day I just delete it all. I can't possibly sit through 40 hubs each day for a month.

      In the process I am sure that I have missed a few great hubs...Like I almost missed this one!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks Dorsi! This challenge did turn HP on its ear a bit, but luckily seems back to normal now.

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      Dorsi Diaz 8 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

      Great hub with many good points. The mob mentality remark is probably about right on the money. I did not take up this "challenge" because I knew I was not capable right now of cranking out that kind of work- not good work anyway. Maybe if I was in a certain space in my life without many commitments and lots of quiet time....maybe...but even 30 hubs in 30 days is alot (at least to do 30 GOOD hubs)

      Thumbs up!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Nancy, yeah, think there are a lot more who write for fun than they bargained on!

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      Nancy's Niche 8 years ago

      I agree CindyVine, I choose not to participate in the great Hub Challange...Nice article and thanks for supporting the feeling  many of us may share on this issue. I'm not trying to be a party poop but, HubPages draw those of us who write for fun and not for challange...

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      RedElf 8 years ago from Canada

      While I will be the first to admit that I looked to see who else had joined the challenge before taking the plunge, I am doing it just to see if I can.

      I am unable to write one every day because of other commitments - but when I was introduced to hubbing, I was at a personal low point. very low ...so it was great to find acceptance, encouragement, and (wonder of wonders) praise for my writing - a balm for my soul, if I may wax poetical.

      I was a little short of praise at the time, or of feeling the least bit praiseworthy.

      I enjoy Hub Pages, and the new outlet for creativity it has afforded me. I work hard to maintain the quality and integrity of my hubs. I don't want to be lumped in with some of the schlock and drek I have come across out there.

      I, too, agree that there was schlock and drek out there before the challenge, but I hear your warning, cindyvine. Sometimes we don't look before we leap. But I see this as a challenge to try to write 30 (quality) hubs in 30 days, and I find it both exhilarating and damned hard work. Whether I can achieve this depends as much on the whims of the interruption gods as it does on my willingness to burn the midnight oil, but I plan to do my best to achieve the magic number.

      I did manage 3 in one day - and then had to take a break, because life intervened along with the beginnings of temporary burnout, but when all is said and done, I will be able to say, "Wow, I can't believe I wrote that many hubs in 30 days." ...and I will be proud of them and proud of what I achieved.

      Thanks for raising these questions. I believe it is important for us to know why we undertake something, and to understand the consequences (or at least know that there always will be consequences).

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      shibashake 8 years ago

      Wow I spent at least an hour reading all the comments on this hub. I should get a special medal for it! :)

      I am glad to see so many people voicing their concerns over the Challenge. When people did it initially, they got rotten eggs thrown at them, and either converted or got heckled out.

      Hopefully this convinces HP not to do something like that again.

      Still waiting on that medal ... :D

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Wow Kelley, that is awesome, how do you generate so much outside traffic?

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      Kelley Eidem 8 years ago from Panama City, FL

      Here's a different tack. I've written 6 hubs. One of them has more than 99,000 visits as of this morning. It could hit 100,000 in the next day or two. Another has over 80,000 visits.

      In the process of doing that some people have reversed their cancers.

      The best to you.

      Kelley Eidem

      Together we csn cure cancer - one person at a time!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Aw AJ, you don't have to feel sorry, it's almost over bar the shouting.

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      AJHargrove 8 years ago from USA

      This makes me feel kind of bad for everyone doing this challenge. As if I wasn't sorry for you already...

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Oh thank you Niangbo, it's so kind of you to share your pretty girl photos with me. I'll pass them on to R.Blue

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      niangbo 8 years ago from You and I were sharing

      thanks for sharing

      Happy everyday…………

      You and I were sharing

      I like girls, like the pretty girl

      so I am willing to collect their photos

      and share with you

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks EL, yeah, some of the comments were interesting and others enlightening!

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      Enelle Lamb 8 years ago from Canada's 'California'

      Holy cow, it took twice as long to read the comments LOL...and they were just as interesting as the hub! I do agree Cindyvine, I didn't take the challenge simply because I'm not that dedicated (I think anyway) and even if I started strong, I'm not sure I could finish. Not saying I have much of a life, but what I do have takes up emotional time, if you get my drift. At any rate, I didn't think I had enough left over energy to dedicate to writing quality & quantity.

      I did, however, notice the influx of alerts in my email box, and to be honest I haven't been able to keep up with my favorites, let alone browse the selection the way I used to.

      Thoroughly enjoyed your hub, well written, succinct, and a whole lot of other adjectives lol. Thank you for putting to word what a great many were thinking...always enjoy your stuff!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      WW, you just need a few days rest and you'll be all fired up again. I'm sure many who left will return as this honestly is the best community!

      Trooper, aw, bet your wife tells you that all the time so why you blushing?

      TCM, I ain't going anywhere and plan to keep on writing!

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      TexasChickiMama 8 years ago from Texas Gulf Coast

      All those comments I hope you read mine. I am new...I just learned of this great writing sight and thought I can do that. I am NOT here for the money although it does make one feel like they are appreciated...I am here to learn what is going on in the REAL world.

      I never thought I could do the challenge...so just was sitting back and reading...I think you are right. We all get all charged up! then the reality sets in...

      I love your hubs and hope you keep up the good work and art on yours...makes it yummy to read!

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      trooper22 8 years ago from Chicago

      Cindyvine wrote: "Why thank you Master Trooper, you are a pretty hot rocker yourself."

      (Blushing)

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      wittywriter 8 years ago from Concord New Hampshire

      It is sad to find out that someone or a bunch of hubber left. This is the best only because you are all here. I hope that all that have left come back. :(

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      wittywriter 8 years ago from Concord New Hampshire

      Cindyvine, thank you for this hub. I thought that I was the only one thinking I made a mistake. I do not only write for hubpages, but I have been asked to write for examiner.com and about ten other places. I am finding it hard to keep up with even the 30 hubs in 30 days. I still have a full time J.O.B., two children under the age of eight and a husband that I do not see much because I am trying to get my writing down after work and on my days off. I have almost given up on this challenge. However, I have gotten the mind set that if I do 30 then I do 30, if I dont, I dont. I was also pulled on the bandwagon thinking that it was a mistake, but thought, hey... why not. Well, why not is that I am getting burnt out and I am not getting any more money than I did before. I am also feeling that I have not been putting the best foot forward on this hubbing. I will be going back after my hub challenge and review my hubs. I will be only keeping the best and deleting the rest or rewritting them giving them a new life. Thank you again as always I love to read your hubs.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      LR, most hubbers here don't want garbage

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      yEah Juliet, read your hub on that and you're doing great research. Check out the knights templar and see if there is a connection between them and freemasons. Also, think is it the mormon or one of thos religions is based on freemasonry. Guy who started it was kicked out of freemasonry, so started a religion.

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      Lady Rogue 8 years ago from Cleveland Heights, Ohio

      Well, THANK YOU! I'm a newbie and aside from being intimidating, this hub challenge did seem to inspire alot of garbage that had me wondering if that's what it takes to have any measure of success (whatever THAT is) on this site!

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      Juliet Christie Murray 8 years ago from Sandy Bay Jamaica

      You people surely are professionals at this writing business. Do you work or you just work on the internet. I try but it is so time consuming. I suppose it is because I have a regular job.I really cannot get caught up in this 100 hubs challenge.I do try to write a piece now and then that I find interest in at present I am looking at the freemason society

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Why thank you Master Trooper, you are a pretty hot rocker yourself.

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      trooper22 8 years ago from Chicago

      Cindy, you are such a gifted writer that it takes my breath away.

      "OMIGOD I managed to write 100 pieces of crap in 30 days! Aren't I just so wonderful and smart!"

      All I can say is ROFLMAO. This is not the best line in the lot above, but it certainly caused me to spray my morning coffee all over my monitor. (looking for someone to send the bill too btw...j/k)

      Two words....YOU ROCK!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks Jazdmarket?

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      jazdmarkets2 8 years ago from Andover

      Hi,

      I am new comer of the hub pages. i read the article about your knowledge sharing the challenges. i really appreciated and benefit for others who uses the hub.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      AIDY, you know out of everything bad comes something good, and I think the good is that HP will have learnt a valuable lesson.

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      Am I dead, yet? 8 years ago

      hai Cindy! Just getting to this Hub directly from my inbox and I have to say, you really made your point. The Hub Challenge may be good for some writers, but for others, not so good. I have been so worried about my fave writers and I was hoping that this 'challenge' does not burn you guy's out. I am selfish, in a way, because I did not want quality to suffer for quantity. I agree with you in that I am having trouble following the hubvitity because of the 'spam' created by this challenge. Writers like CC, (you), Chris A, GT, KCC etc. is what made for expertly (yes, expert) hub-reading follows for me. Now, I am sifting though 'fog' trying to be faithful and it would seem now, 'accidently' happening upon some 'rushed' work. -sigh- I cannot wait for this to be over, I miss the 'old hubvitity'.

      However, I do support all of my faves who have taken this challenge. Maybe next time, HubPages will think it through before doing something like this again.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Trimar, I agree that it's good to write rather than writing nothing, but some of the hubs that came out of the challenge weren't really practising the craft of writing. They were all about attracting search engines and adsense clicks.

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      trimar7 8 years ago from New York

      I get your point and it is well taken. I am not certain though if I entirely agree. I'd rather have my students writing than not writing at all. Also, being a part of the hubpages encourages hubbies to read, which means learning. So while I empathize with your perspective and frustration, I vote for go ahead and write. I have deleted hubs that I am not thrilled with, I have gone back and edited some others and will continue trying to improve as I encourage other hubbies to do. I am also learning so much from others. It's almost always a catch 22 in life. Maybe I'll fall into a good patch once in awhile.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Spymaster, it seems that there are many who feel as we do. We just have to hope that it continues to slowly run out of steam.

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      spy_mas_ter 8 years ago

      I did not accept the challenge for most of the reasons you stated it was a bad idea, and I totally agree. I feel like I'm pretty good at putting my thoughts to paper (when I want to) but I wasn't about to start writing "crap" just so I could say I did it! Anyone can write a half-assed article in just a few minutes, and most of the people who write crap are so sure of themselves that they aren't even smart enough to use spell checker! Like you, I don't like wasting my time reading something that reads like a 3rd grader wrote it, and I'm seeing a good bit of this kind of writing since the challenge began. I will not leave hubpages because I did not fool myself into believing that I could actually produce quality material writing at the pace you would have to write to "complete" the challenge. I will continue to write as usual. I will only submit "quality" articles (regardless of the subject matter), and I will do it all without stressing myself to the point of wanting to quit, simply because " I know myself and my limitations" and I do not let others talk me into doing something I know I can't do right! I have only written two articles on hubpages since I joined about five weeks ago and don't know when I will write another, but I can promise you this; they are and always will be "quality" articles that I can be proud of regardless of who reads them!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks Dick, will check it out

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      Dick Pringle 8 years ago

      You should join Xomba. It has its crap writers but some GREAT ones too and they make more money than you do (if the amounts you suggest are correct). A couple of members admit to making $3000 a month and that is verified!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Roobee, hope you managed to put your feet up and relax the weekend

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      RooBee 8 years ago from Here

      Thank u Cindy :D

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      30 days is only half way, but don't worry Mdawson, the challenge is almost a thing of the past and is fading rapidly. It's a bit mean of people to stop being your fan though!

      Lisa, I'm still trying to do one a day but if I don't I really don't care lol

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      mdawson17 8 years ago

      Hello cindyvine I had started a Q@Alast the other day asking if others had noticed that those who were not involved in this challenge were not get traffic on their hub-site (As I have noticed)! In return the response I got was flat outrage and anger! I even lost a fan over it! My writing has never been insulted like this! The challenge was put out there and know it casing Huber's to want to leave or just not like hubbing anymore! My personal email has been slammed with notices of fans with published hubs and more than 3/4 of them make no sense!!

      IS THE THIRTY DAYS ALMOST UP???

      MDAWSON37

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      lisafwg01 8 years ago

      Cindy, this is the first Hub of yours that I have read, and it is a good one! I admit when I saw the challenge on the forum I thought (even though everyone was already well into it) I'll jump in and do 30...simply because of the "mob mentality" and, to be honest, I wanted to "fit in." But then I came to my senses!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Ah Ag, I don't think they'll comment on that. Hup just commented in the weekly newsletter that 1000 hubchallenge hubs had been published already and that he had already made a few dollars etc. Not too hypie as I think he does realise as he also put in a link to this hub to show how some hubbers are getting annoyed.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Hi cindy, It does look like this challenge may be running out of steam , my email count has dropped dramatically since it started. I'm wondering if Hubpages has commented anywhere on the effects this has had on their views. Can anyone let us know ?

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Yeah Paraglider but you need to have good interesting hubs to read to attract visitors so that they sign up to hubpages and stay and increase the community. This challenge is making people write hubs that are a bit spammy all online marketing stuff and so pumped up with keywords that they ain't fun to read. That's not kind to make people pop in and stay.

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      Dave McClure 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

      I remember it from last year, wasn't impressed then and am similarly unimpresed this time around. When somebody wants you to do something, more often than not it's not for your benefit, but somebody's, or in this case HubPages'.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Ah Juliet, I think the problem is that with the challenge, many hubs have just got lost!

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      Juliet Christie Murray 8 years ago from Sandy Bay Jamaica

      Well well if this isnn't an interesting place to be on the internet. All these readers repplying to this post. To me writing a hundred hubs was just two much for me so I did not take up the challenge. I suppose if I had taken it up I would have had all these hubbers here visiting my hub. I often wondered how some hubs attracted so many visitor's posting comments when mine can barely get one or two. Is this the secret following the chalenge.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Exactly Futonfraggle, just take a break, have a glass of wine and relax. Read a book, some good hubs and those juices will flow once again!

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      futonfraggle 8 years ago

      I jumped in too fast, too early, and burnt myself out after writing 9 hubs. Like you said, "There is something about pressure that dries up creative juices..."

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      RooBee, sorry to hear about your personal tragedy - hugs to you from China ((( )))

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      RooBee 8 years ago from Here

      Sheesh, Ederf...

      Cindy, this is the first hub I've read in a few days. The challenge is not the only reason, as we had a family tragedy which has kept me away from the computer.

      That said though, I have felt the same way about the challenge but have not voiced my opinion as many of my favorite hubbers are participating. Sadly, though, I really haven't been following them as I normally would since I just can't keep up.

      I fully agree with all you have said, and you write so well with such a nice flow. I applaud those who are part of the challenge and striving to create quality hubs rather than just churning out keyword-rich junk. However, I really can't wait 'till its over - I enjoy the hubpages environment much more when it's in 'normal' mode.

      Thanks for this!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Well Ederf, why must I click your advisements? What are you advising me about?

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      Ederf 8 years ago

      http://theederfblog.blogspot.com/check out my blog and click the advisements

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      I agree Ripplemaker, people who want time away from HP should not deete their hubs.

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      Michelle Simtoco 8 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

      Hi cindy, thanks for writing this one. And all the comments from everyone was "enlightening" of sorts. I believe many needed to air out whatever feelings they have inside about the hubchallenge. When the challenge started, I could feel it in the forums, the air of pressure and excitement and feeling of rushing. So I deliberately stayed out and made sure I didn't get suck into the vortex of "panic", at least it's panic for me. I know it's not panic for some. Hehe

      I just want to ask all you guys who are not happy with the challenge to please, please not delete all your hubs okay?  For some people like me, I take time to read esp. since I am not on the internet a lot.  And it makes me sad to see the hubs gone.

      I too enjoy the interactions around HP that is why I understand what you guys feel. I said yes to the 30 hubs in 30 days but have vowed to not let it get in the way of quality.  And if I feel tired from work, I don't write. I'm 4 hubs behind! LOL And I don't mind.  

      And I still take the time to read and comment like before.  :-) And if you have time, do read the hubnuggets also.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      ReuVera and Jen thanks for dropping in and taking the time to read my hub and comment! I enjoiy writing and sharing my views and ideas, almost as much as I enjoy reading other's ideas. For me, and I think many others, it's the whole interaction thing going, that makes Hubpages so special.

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      Jen's Solitude 8 years ago from Delaware

      Hi Cindyine, I can certainly see why this hub scored 100. It is well written and I love your observations your honesty and your ability to accept views that may differ from your own. Congrats on your great score and on the fact that you reached 300 fans too! :)

      Jen

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      ReuVera 8 years ago from USA

      Oh, I see, this is the one that got a 100 score!!!! Congrats!

      Cindyvine, you hit the target. I side with every word of yours even if my opinion doesn't count. When I saw the challenge I just frowned sceptically and my hands were itching to comment something like "quality for quantity" or "what do you need it for, people?". But I didn't write anything. First of all, I was trashed enough here for "incorrect" opinions, secondly, even in real life I usually don't enter into arguments, because you will not prove anything to people blinded by certain agenda.

      I just write and publish here for mere enjoyment. I appreciate very much if people comment on my hubs. I read only what I choose to read. Even if I don't comment, I always rate a hub I've read. I accept positiveness, I reject negativeness. Without fighting.

      I appreciate you very high. You are special, as there are so many really special people here. You don't have to be an expert to see if there is a soul behind the writing. We are our own masters. We are choosing for ourselves what to eat, what to read, with whom to be friends. We just have to make wright healthy choices.

      Thank you!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Enjoy, Haunty!

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      Haunty 8 years ago from Hungary

      Oh my God! This hub is a hundred. And Gee, fore very action there is a con sequence... :) Scheduled for later reading tonight. Thanks.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Well, if you hardly ever stop off to read hubs and comment Em, then I am honoured that you stopped off and commented here. I think what this challenge has brought home to many is that there are two factions in Hubpages. The money-hungry and the socialo lot. Some try and do both.

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      Emma 8 years ago from Boston

      Interesting hub, Cindy! I have to confess this is the first hub I've read in ages and I guess I never realized how many folks are here for the social aspects. I mostly just concentrate on producing hubs and make occasional visits to the forums. I rarely actually read hubs because I'm etiher busy writing one or working on one of my other websites.

      I signed up for the HubChallenge because I work better under pressure and it seemed like a good way to kick myself in the butt to do 30 hubs in 30 days. I could never do the 100 hubs challenge. I just can't churn them out like that (and I have other sites that can't be neglected for a month). I usually spend a couple of hours on each hub.

      My intention for this challenge is definitely to improve my earnings. I agree that people's earnings won't increase just becaues they are pumping out the pages, but with careful attention to keywords and topics that have performed well in the past, it is quite possible to make a significant difference in income. But I expect it will actually take months before the real results can be seen.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      lol Elena! You did miss all the hype but I think things are already slowly returning to normal. I look forward to reading your new hubs!

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      Elena. 8 years ago from Madrid

      Hello, cindyvine!  Thanks for clarifying all the stuff I was hearing about since I came back from hols!  Pretty interesting comments, too, so good read all in all!

      I see there are more than a few great hubbers who have decided not to publish anything until this challenge is over.  To them I'd like to say, "please don't stop publishing because there are some of us here who love your stuff, and that's what we want to read, not the mass produced challenge stuff!", but of course I'm not really confident they'll read this comment, so...  Laugh!

      I came back from my trip with a few ideas for hubs describing my travels.  Guess I have to rethink when to publish those... not that I'd be able to produce THAT amount of stuff (even if it where shyte!) so quickly.  I have people to see, lover to do, beers to drink... in short, a life!!  Laugh!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Exactly Marisa! I think many hubbers taking part in the challenge are under the mistaken impression it will improve their earnings!

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      Marisa Wright 8 years ago from Sydney

      I agree that the Challenge has spoiled my enjoyment of HubPages, because the daily Hubtivity is just too long to catch up on, the forums have gone rather quiet, and I've had to turn off my email notifications. 

      But it's also true that the social side of HubPages isn't what makes money for the site - and we should all care about the site making money, because we all want it to last forever!

      However, I do think some Hubbers are missing the point about the challenge.  There's no magical bonus if you reach the target, and the articles themselves don't have any special or extra earnings potential.  The new articles will do exactly as well (or as badly) as any of your existing ones - it's just that you'll have more of them. That, IMO, doesn't justify the annoying hype surrounding the challenge.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      So are you trying it Prasetio?

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      prasetio30 8 years ago from malang-indonesia

      this challaging is owesome, but I don't think so to write 100 hubs in 30 days. but nice to try.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks Diana, it's great that you have continued to comment. You are a light in the darkness!

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      dianacharles 8 years ago from India

      Most of what you say is true cindyvine, but I think you and some of the others have risen above turning out 'crap' and the reason I havent turned off e mail notifications is because I would like to know when these hubbers come out with fresh offerings. I just dont visit the rest or skim through the first few lines.

      Of course, since I spend more time commenting...I have stopped writing myself :P

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Robert, it's great that it has worked for you. I think this challenge is fine limited to 30 hubs, but it does depend on the individual. I don't think that churning out 100 hubs in 30 days, where you are spending 20 minutes on a hub and writing only 200-300 words will be improving your writing. People doing that are doing it for the money - wow 85 whole cents or whatever. Exciting stuff!

      Jonsky, yeah, the comments have as many words as a couple of the 100 hubs in 30 days people's hubs altogether! lol

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      Jonsky 8 years ago

      What a good read. I enjoyed it, thank you. I'd like to read the comments as well but I'm gonna be busy writing. There is more content in the comments here than all my hubs combined.

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      robertsloan2 8 years ago from San Francisco, CA

      Hmm. I agree that some people who aren't already skilled writers may be doing spammy things and keyword-stuffed entries, though I haven't seen any -- this may be because the people I follow are few and well chosen. I have been seeing some Hubs on topics I wouldn't read from people I follow, but I do what I always do -- click, look at the title, decide on topic if I want to read it and go to it only if I'm into that topic.

      I disagree that it doesn't improve writing quality.

      It does in the long run. I have accepted that not all my Hubs will be of the quality of my best Hub, but one of the things I do constantly is try to raise the bar on the worst so that when those moments of finite perfection happen and an article comes out better than all the rest, my articles on average are generally better than they used to be.

      I enjoy writing challenges.

      I know many people who can improve dramatically from having deadlines or trying to do it fast enough they don't have time to get self conscious and decide not to post at all.

      It's a skill and it takes a while to learn. I may just have more patience for those who are still learning, but I haven't seen these problems with it and my email box isn't exploding too badly. I get only one notice per writer I'm following and it bumps up with three or four replies if I don't click on it right away. I guess if I were following a great lot of people it'd get overwhelming, but I don't.

      I've found it stimulating and what it has done is given me a new way to look at topics and get more specific in my articles, focus on one brand of colored pencils instead of colored pencils in general, that sort of thing. Examine specific things in more depth and provide more specific tips on things. I'm doing rants too, but my readers like my rants so that's not a change at all.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Whikat, I have still been writing some normal cindyvone type stuff, check out my profile and my latest hubs. You ,ight have miseed some of them in the challenge!

      To all the others who've commented, I feel awful for not writing a little personal comment to each of you as I normally do, but I'm running out of time and have to get ready for school. 6.10am here now. Thanks for dropping in and taking the time to leave a comment and air your views.

      Darkside, everybody has a different motivation, but for many of us here reading and comments on people's hubs is what makes Hubpages the place we choose to be. This challenge has made it hard for our community to continue doing that!

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      Glen 8 years ago from Australia

      There is one other factor that you've left out: motivation.

      I had about 12 hub URL's claimed, and haven't done anything with them. They've been sitting there looking rather neglected. I figured now was a good a time as any to finish them.

      Also, I've not concentrated on other peoples efforts. Or lack thereof. People will make crap no matter what their incentive. The thing I like about the HubScore algorithm and the flags that HubPages HQ have in place is it actually filters out the crap. If people think they can copy and paste a hub AND try and monetize it with third party affiliate links, it ain't happenin'!

      Besides that, what others do has no effect on my output or quality.

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      womanNshadows 8 years ago from Charlotte, NC

      i was so glad to see your hub. i would have missed it had it not shown up as a featured hub. i did not join the challenge. i don't have that diversity in me at this time. also, i just knew my writing would have suffered and i don't need the stress. having said that, i have felt left out and i was glad to read your hub. thanks for saying what i was thinking.

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      Gypsy Willow 8 years ago from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand

      I have given up trying to read new hubs which I used to enjoy. Some of the new ones from the challenge are frankly not worth reading. I am sorry this happened. Your hub is great! Thanks

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      kea 8 years ago

      I'm relatively new to hubpages and I took up the 30 in 30 challenge mainly to force myself to go through each day thinking about interesting events or topics I could write about later on, after work, if I had the energy left. I wouldn't mind making money on hubpages, but I don't think I'll be able to quit my day job anytime soon. So far, I've made $0.81 in four weeks. I also can't bring myself to write about things that I'm not interested in, just for popularity sake. Several of my hubs have barely been read at all, much less commented on. I'm cool with that. This writing experience is all an adventure to me and the more I learn along the way, the better.

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      glassvisage 8 years ago from Northern California

      Well, I should say congratulations because, by writing a Hub about how stupid the HubChallenge is, you probably got more comments than any of the Challengers! Way to get your Hub in the weekly newsletter! I've yet to get one there, I think, 3 years later!

      I took up the challenge because sometimes I need a little prodding to get my writing jumpstarted again... I get in little modes where I just started writing a lot all of a sudden, and I'm proud of what I write. I've taken this opportunity to answer a lot of the questions posted by Hubbers, so I like to think that my Hubs are meaningful :)

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      Karen Banes 8 years ago from Canada

      So glad I didn't take up this challenge. Good luck to those of you who did but it's certainly not for everyone. I will never sacrifice quality in my hubs and unlike some of you geniuses (or is it genii!?)out there I just can't do quantity (at least not that much quantity) and quality! Couldn't agree more with this hub Cindy, but best of luck to all of you in the challenge. I suspect some good (and bad, and just plain ugly) will come of it all!

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      Mrvoodoo 8 years ago from ?

      Yep there's a lot of crap being produced at the moment, I should know I'm responsible for some of it. :)  I have to say that I find it hard to believe that anybody can churn out anything overly interesting in 15 minutes. (but I could be wrong)

      Great hub, really funny and straight to the point, loved it.

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      Rebecca Graf 8 years ago from Wisconsin

      Very interesting and well written. I joined the challenge more as a way to kick my own rear into gear and get many of those written that i just haven't gotten around to doing.

      What most have to realize is that it is a challanege and not required. It can be exhausting. So just see how many quality hubs you can put out in that time frame might be a better way of looking at.

      Keep up the good work!

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      Ginn Navarre 8 years ago

      Cindy dear, I loved this. Take it from an old 77years lady (if it ain't broke don't fix it) I love the many friends that I call family on the HP but I too think I will just sit back and wait until this silly race is over. Quantity will effect the quality of many fine writers without them even knowing it. (sometimes when your out side looking in you can see---more?)

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      Joanna McKenna 8 years ago from Central Oklahoma

      Cindy, I don't expect Hup to call off the challenge.  My last comment was only a suggestion to never throw another 30-day *anything* out there again.  It's just too long for such a large group, and seems to have generated more bad feelings about HP than good.  Might've been better if Hup had done the challenge alone, with the rest of us cheering him on while we continued to write at our own pace. Just my two cents. 

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      moonchild60 8 years ago

      Hi Cindy - God, I love the way you write....in any case, I did not join the challange as I knew there was no way I could turn out anything of quality every single day. I am just not that talented. As it is now I have a hub I have been working on for a week. I loved your hub and I think it was on the money. Thank you for saying what alot of people were thinking...

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      Whikat 8 years ago

      Waaaa, I want my cindy back! Please Cindy come back to us! I miss the hysterical fun lady who wrote the most fabulous and funniest hubs for us common folk. I always knew that if I was having a bad day, I could read one of your hubs, LMAO, and could go to bed feeling good again. I am looking forward to this challenge being over, so I can have my favorite hubbers back! :-)

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Yeah Sixty, I've just vowed to do my own thing and write about what I feel like. I'll probably be able to do one a day but if I can't I'm not too fussed. Prefer to just stay true to myself.

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      Clive Fagan 8 years ago from South Africa

      There 's too much to read and so hard to find the good stuff. Even people I am fan's of are churning out way much "how to ..." kind of stuff" or Hub page challenge stories. making it hard to be selective. I still try to followand participate in the hubmob stuff.

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks Scott, you're righyt, I do care about this community!

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      scottaye73 8 years ago from Michigan, USA

      Hey Cindy, great job on this hub.  I must confess, I began reading the comments and just decided I won't get through them all, there are too many!  So I don't really have the "flow" from the beginning of the hub all the way through the end of the comments like you do, but I want to say that I agree with you on this one. 

      Being new to HubPages myself, and because I always want to write for my own reasons, I didn't join the challenge.  I have enjoyed my short stint here on hubpages and I would hate to see anything damage such a great community of writers and I know you would too. 

      So I give you kudos for writing this hub, whether people agree with you or not, they can't say that you don't care!  And that's what I like about you and about this hub the most.  Have a great day!  ~ Scott

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Hey Froggy, yep, a lot of hubs have got lost during the challenge, but let's be positive eh? At least there'll be more for us to read when it's all over!

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      Andria 8 years ago

      Cindy - hey :) The reason it took me so long to read/find/notice this? Refer to the hub above the comments ...

      Everything I wanted to say I read on the way down to the comment box. I dislike being old news.

      Your article is an honest reflection of the mood around hubpages. You've voiced what many are feeling/thinking.

      Sometimes - the best things in life really do come in small packages. Diamonds simply aren't as big as bricks ;)

      Eloquently written Cindy - I do hope you feel better!

      And to all who continue on and strive to deliver quality over quantity - well done!

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      FP, check out the forum about the 100 hub in 30 days challenge. This is what's got some of our knickers in a knot! Pissed some off enough to leave or suffer from burn out.

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      Feline Prophet 8 years ago

      Oh what's been happening here? Have people left HP? I've been away for a few days and this is the first hub I've read since I got back to town...what did I miss?

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      JG, I don't think Hup has to call off the challenge, I think it is busy dying a natural death all of its own accord, people are reading hubs again and starting to comment. So, we shall endure lol

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      Joanna McKenna 8 years ago from Central Oklahoma

      Cindy, I *think* I agree with everything you said.  So many comments to read on the way to the comments box - seems like ages since I finished reading the hub itself! ;D

      I didn't sign on to the challenger.  Thought it was a bad idea the day it was announced, for the same reasons you and the others have mentioned.

      I *didn't* turn off notification, only switched it to an e-addy I don't use much.  But only 10 days in, sheer volume prevents reading so many new hubs. This is insane!  I can see why some hubbers have left or are considering leaving. 

      I'll stay, but won't publish any more new hubs for the duration.  Been here long enough to know how many views and comments to expect in the first hours and days after I publish a new hub.  The one I published right after the challenge started barely saw the light of day.  Pretty much died on the vine, which is *not* normal.  Therefore, I won't be subjecting another (and my ego) to the same fate until the challenge is over.

      IMHO a week or 10 days would've been sufficient for this insanity.  An entire month is simply **too long**. Are you listening, Hup???

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      Cindy Vine 8 years ago from Cape Town

      Thanks for being a fan AV! I'm pleased that you're also promoting quality rather than quantity!