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Why I Consider HubPages Worthwhile

Updated on April 11, 2014

Complaints There Are Many

If you belong to HubPages then you have heard your share of complaining.

“We don’t get paid enough.”

“The staff isn’t responsive to our needs.”

“I can make more money somewhere else.”

“HubPages is a ripoff!”

“The HP editing team is unreasonable.”

And on and on it goes. There is some validity in most of the complaints. I’ve been listening to them for two years now, and I have definitely seen some things at HP that need changing. By and large the writers doing the complaining are good people who have serious concerns and feel frustrated, and I understand that…..but…..

None of that stuff bothers me.

Sure it would be nice to make a little bit more money, and sure it would be nice if the HP staff were a little more responsive or caring, but they aren’t and it’s their business and that’s just the way it goes.

Notice, please, that I am still here after 700+ articles and two years of writing my figurative butt off, and I am quite satisfied, and my satisfaction has nothing to do with the monthly payouts or the warms and fuzzies I receive from the HP staff, and it has everything to do with accomplishing a goal I set early on for myself.

It really is all about perspective, isn’t it?

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Making Money Is a Small Part of Being a Writer

This falls under the category of “putting the cart before the horse.”

Making money is the last thing that happens in writing after a number of other steps have been taken. It seems obvious when you read those words, but if it is so obvious then what is all the complaining about?

If you are going to make money as a writer then yes, you have to write. In fact, it is best if you know how to write well, but it is not essential. You also have to establish a writing platform. You need a body of work. You need to network within the writing community and make contacts. You need to advertise your work and you need to constantly promote it. While you are at it you need to find jobs, query editors and publishers, most likely start a blog, set up a website…and the list goes on and on and on.

Then, and only then, will you begin to see some of that money we spoke about earlier.

Having said all that, a site like HubPages serves as part of my platform. If I make money on HP, and I do, then it is a bonus, because I did not sign up at HP to make money. I simply wanted a site that would allow me to post to the internet, and I also wanted a site that would allow me to interact with other writers.

The fact that HP pays me anything at all is a bonus for me.

My articles are sent out into cyber world by HP, and seen by hundreds of thousands, and as that happens my name becomes more established in the writing community, and it is all a bonus for this writer and a part of my overall plan.

Writing a Book Is Easy on Hubpages

Probably 70% of the articles that I write will find themselves, eventually, in an ebook. I already have four ebooks comprised of HP articles and more are in the planning stage. In other words, HP is just a staging area for articles that will eventually become books. Again, the fact that I get paid while staging my articles is a bonus.

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Friends, Friends and More Friends

I don’t know how many followers I have on HubPages. I think I’m approaching two thousand, and that is, indeed, a gratifying number. However, what is more gratifying is the number of friends I have made on HP….true, honest-to-God, caring friends.

Somehow, as the days became weeks became months, many in my online community actually became people I really cared about. I know the names of their family members, and I have shared in their triumphs and yes, mourned with them when tragedy struck. I have even cried tears for them.

What is the value of that gift?

HubPages provided the forum….the community….and once I decided to become an active member of that community, a whole new world opened up for me. My online friends care about me. They support me. They share in my joy and give me a shoulder to lean on when I desperately need one.

Again, what is the value of that gift?

A Network of Professionals at My Fingertips

I am in the final stages of writing my second novel, “Resurrecting Tobias.” Through HubPages I found an editor. Through HubPages I found someone to do my book cover for me. Through HubPages I found eight people who were willing to read 128,000 words and offer suggestions….for free!

I did not have to surf the Web in search of strangers to do these things for me. I was able to reach out to friends and ask for help, and help was gladly given from people who I trust.

What is the value of that gift?

And did I mention that while all of this is going on that I’m getting paid?

But You Aren’t Getting Paid What You Are Worth, Bill!

I’ve heard that before, about me and from other people about themselves.

Really? What I’m worth?

The last time I checked I was not on the New York Time Bestseller List. The last time I checked my calls, Oprah was not asking me for an interview. In this huge world of writing, I am a virtual unknown. So what am I worth?

I was raised by parents who believed a man has to pay his dues. He learned a craft, he practiced that craft, he became better at that craft, and then, and only then, will he see good pay for his efforts.

I am a virtual novice in the world of writing. I have only been writing for three years. Three years!!!! I am an apprentice, and thankfully my ego is not so swollen as to make me believe I am worth much more than I am currently making from my writings.

I have to pay my dues. All writers should have to as well.

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So I Am Sympathetic at Times and at Times, Not so Much

I really do understand. These are tough times economically. People need money, and they see writing as a way to make some passive income online….and when that income does not flow in as quickly as they imagined, they are disappointed and disillusioned and at time, a bit bitter.

To those people, I have four words of advice: see the whole board!

A mentor of mine once tried to teach me how to play chess. Oh, I understood the basics of the game, and how to move the pieces, but he wanted to teach me how to really play the game. One day, after weeks of instruction that was seemingly wasted on my meager mind, he quite literally screamed, “SEE THE WHOLE BOARD.”

And that is what I am screaming to you this morning…..see the bigger picture. HubPages provides so much more than just a passive income. Every article that you write is a new chapter in an ebook. Every article that you write is another two-by-four in the framing of your platform. Every article that you write is another chance to network with fellow professionals.

HubPages is like being paid while you are training to one day be a real writer.

How cool is that?

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      HeatherH104 3 years ago from USA

      Well said as usual. I love the section on not getting paid what you are worth. It's hard to place a price tag on the arts. Likely there is not much as far as materials to consider. It is largely time and ideas which are hard to place value. As my husband says, let the market determine its value.

      Stay here with us, your hubs change us and give us a lot to think about.

      Heather

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      I loved that last line and even though I don't seem tow rite much on here anymore, I still come back from you and many other. Have a great day my friend!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heather, what a lovely thing for you to say to me. I really appreciate that...and I have no plans on going anywhere. :) Your husband is right of course. The market always adjusts....unless it crashes of course. LOL

      Have a wonderful weekend.

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      MG Singh 3 years ago from Singapore

      This is a great post Billy. I feel you have stated something which is so valuable. Thanks alot. Incidentally do you publish your articles as a ebook or expand your article into a book. i would love to know.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, you are the embodiment of loyalty, and I appreciate you so much. Thank you for your friendship, and I hope your weekend is a great one.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you MG. To answer your question, the ebooks I have already done are compilations of similar articles....for example, I took all of my alcoholism articles and combined them to make an ebook.

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      ocfireflies 3 years ago from North Carolina

      Per usual, enlightening, interesting and based on fact.

      You are the best!

      Kim

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thanks Kim! I happen to think you are pretty darned special too. :)

      bill

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      This is an awesome post, Bill, and it expresses why I keep hanging around Hubpages myself. I love the idea of turning your hubs into ebooks (of course, for me to do that, I would need to get much more productive and increase my measly 70-some hub portfolio substantially). Where can I find your ebooks? I like to observe and learn from the master. : )

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      Rebecca Furtado 3 years ago from Anderson, Indiana

      I get encouragement when I read hubs like this to stay and keep trying. The writing part is only part of the game. Promotion ugh . . would rather not do that. Shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rebecca, I don't know a writer who does like promotion. I think we are all closet recluses. LOL Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, thank you....here is my author's page for Kindle.....

      http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_enco...

      The "master" has a long way to go with ebooks. I published the ones on that page almost two years ago and they are not well done....the ones I do in the future will actually follow the guidelines. LOL But you can get an idea from them.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      Great Hub Bill. For me I truly enjoyed writing on Hubpages. As you have probably surmised that my true heart of passions is not in writing but painting and creating beautiful things. I am an average writer at best. I accept that. I wanted to make some dollars at Hub and didn't but that is not why I stopped writing. I have other things that I love.

      Thanks for writing this great hub for loyal hubbers.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Bill, you wrote this just for me. Yes I get upset at things on here but I do love to write and find friends and the friends I have found on HP are the best, most wonderful and that anyone could ask for.

      I have adopted our friend Jo's way of sending hugs.

      ((((Hugs))))) to you my friend.

      Shyron

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      breakfastpop 3 years ago

      I have actually been on hubpages for 5 years. I left not too long ago, deleted all my hubs and went elsewhere. I can't tell you how much I missed interacting with my friends on this site. I returned with my "bugs" and I am much happier. If I wrote here for the money, I would be very poor. Actually, I didn't participate in the earnings programs for a few years. I am a richer person for writing here and it has nothing to do with money. As usual, billy, this hub is voted up, useful, interesting and awesome!

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      Sanjay Sharma 3 years ago from Mandi (HP) India

      Nice and readable hub. Thanks for sharing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I am so happy that you are following your own path of creativity. Good for you my friend. I just really appreciate you still visiting me even though you don't write any longer. That, my friend, is loyalty. :) Have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, Shyron, thanks for the hugs. I love getting them.

      And thank you for being you.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      breakfastpop, we are all happier having you and the bugs with us. I greatly enjoy your articles and I love your compassion and passion. Carry on my friend, and thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And I thank you, Sanjay...have a wonderful weekend.

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      breakfastpop 3 years ago

      Thank you billy, anything coming from you is high and much appreciated praise. Enjoy the week-end!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I will my friend and you do the same.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 3 years ago from Norfolk

      Billy

      It really is amazing how far you have come in such a short time and thanks to you, I am beginning to understand that an e-book is not an impossible dream even for me. Life has a a funny way of sending one down the right road at just the right time.

      I am so glad I found my way to HubPages. Those first faltering steps have changed my life in many ways and I have developed a new confidence. It has also helped me realize my dream of writing even though I never imagined I would be going down the path of wet felting.

      Thank you again Billy, once again you told it just like it is - just the way I like to have it spoken.

      Have a lovely week-end

      Sally

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Bro....You are a bit more content than I am with the status quo here at HP. I have not bothered (wasted my time) to complain and/or ask many questions, because from my own experiences and those of numerous others......without a doubt, there is little if any response, feedback or explanation. This, I am convinced, couldn't be more unfair and disheartening than were they to have an auto-response button that sends us a 3-word comment "WE DON"T CARE."

      Not exactly a good motivator, nor even acceptable business tactics.

      What screams out to me on a regular basis is the issue of complete UNFAIRNESS. The blatantly obvious fact that via HP repeated actions, their all-important RULES simply do NOT apply to everyone!

      What is this all about?? We may as well be back in grade school being pitted against the "Teacher's Pets." Inexcusable!

      One of my biggest disappointments of the HP-powers-that -be is the enormous number of plain & simple GARBAGE hubs that are allowed to remain on our site. WHO the hell is guarding the gates? There are times I will come upon a hub that I'm certain was written by an illiterate 7 year old...Disastrous grammar, misspelling, poor punctuation, inappropriate terminology, run-on sentences, EGREGIOUS misinformation, void of factual knowledge....need I add more? They are the stuff that burns out your eyeballs and causes nausea. But there they are for all to see, apparently with the blessing of HP??! Shame on them.

      Of the many I have discovered, just once I was finally compelled to flag it.. I explained in detail with professional facts to back up my concerns. It happened to be an "advice" hub, written by someone who clearly had ZERO knowledge of the topic. The reality is, it is potentially very dangerous to anyone reading who may have followed the bogus advice. That was MONTHS ago. The hub remains in all it's bull$hit splendor. I no longer flag anything. If HP wants a site full of crap....they're the ones in charge.

      Don't know about anyone else, but I've lost count of how many wonderfully bright and talented writers we have lost due to them having reached their saturation point of frustration and sheer disgust.....all of it having to do with how HP operates and does NOT operate.

      Please forgive me for being so long-winded, but I've been busting at the seams . At this point, I am very close to losing the faith, trust and respect for HP that I began this journey holding tightly.

      Unbeknownst to them......because they don't give a rat's A$$......I have made myself a vow. ONE more strike that I see as unfair, flippant, arbitrary and/or neglectful and I must make my difficult decision. I do see myself going back to writing my column for a local magazine, where I was respected, appreciated, compensated, listened to and promptly responded to, fully. They have sorely missed me and would welcome me back without question. Thanks for the outlet bro.....don't be mad that I took up so much of your valuable time....I'll send cookies!

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I feel exactly the same as you. I love Hubpages. I left for a short time because they wouldn't feature a hub i'd written. When i returned, i listened when they told me to do a little more work on a hub. I learned and that's what i needed. I feel like i am in a community of caring people. I have made some dear and close friends. I shed tears when they hurt, When Dusty passed away i felt like i'd lost a brother, and here's another thought, HP lets us write for free. They provide us our personal space and keep records. I know they are paid by sponsors, but that's fine. I think we should say, " Thank you " sometime instead of complaining so much. Just sayin'

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I know I speak for many when I say I am happy that you are here. Thank you for your kind words. I love that you have found confidence here. Get busy on that wet felt ebook. I know you can do it.

      Enjoy your weekend my friend.

      bill

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      Bernadyn 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida

      Before I forget to tell you, I wanted to wish you luck with your book, I'm sure it'll do well! That's such a great idea to turn your hubs into e-books, too. Some of my hubs on here inspire me to incorporate them into e-books one day. I think HP is a great way to build a platform and connect with other passionate writers, creative people and to make friends. It does come down to what we consider wealth and treasures - I think there's a lot of that to gain here on HP. Also, I love that expression: "See the whole board" - that's surely something to remember for anything in life.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, I think the most profound point of this article, aside from the awesome connections and friends we make, is that HP is a training ground for which we are paid. I really don't have many gripes. The only one I have lately is that out stats have been stalling for hours since the end of March. But whatever the glitch is, I'm sure the HP staff is aware of it and working on the fix. The only thing I ask is that they inform us when they are experimenting and let us know we may see our stats come to a temporary halt.

      Overall, I love HP. I've met some great people and have learned a lot. In addition to the suggestions offered in each writing template, we have a group of well informed individuals who are more than willing to share their knowledge and offer guidance and support. To me, that's priceless!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, I would never be mad at you. I have always respected your passion and your no-nonsense approach to the truth. Rant on, Sis, and you can do it here any old time.

      Unfortunately, everything you said here is the truth. It really does break my heart that so many good writers...my friends...have left the site. It is HP's loss but they are too busy choosing HOTDs to notice valid complaints.

      I hope you do start writing your column again for that local newspaper. We need writers like you to flood the media with truth.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts my friend. You are appreciated by me.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, thank you for your thoughts. I am fully aware of the unhappiness some writers have with this site, and I understand and even agree with them....but I will stay here because of the friends I have here. I would not even be writing if it were not for the support I received early on from the HP community.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      BNadyn, I hope you take the time to write those ebooks. I believe you to be a good writer, and ebooks are an avenue you just might find some success in. Good luck to you and thank you for your kind words.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, it is priceless for me as well. I understand those who are unhappy with HP. It can be beyond frustrating for serious writers who care about their craft....but I love it here. :) Thank you dear friend.

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      Michelle Liew 3 years ago from Singapore

      Well said. It's all about the networking!

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      Thanks! I will check them out.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It is indeed, MIchelle...that and friendships.

      Thank you for sharing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Deb! Have a great weekend.

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      Susan W 3 years ago from The British Isles, Europe

      Bill, you have done a great job on this hub and I couldn't agree with you more! HubPages is the most inspiring community on the internet, there is no other community out there that are so helpful, talented and inspiring. I have made so many friends here, people that value what I write, and I am very grateful for that.

      This is a beautiful hub, one that I am sure everyone will enjoy. Shared and voted awesome and beautiful.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you susi10....I really do like this community. I have some issues with the staff, but I don't let those issues detract from the enjoyment I get from interacting with all of you.

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      CrisSp 3 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Indeed, it's not all about the money. I started writing for HP because I couldn't sleep. Lol! Then, I started to love it primarily because of the people that I've met here. I also like reading from people that I know or atleast have an idea of who they actually are. I look for credibility on what what I read. I find it here on HP (most).

      Of course, it'll be nice to earn more but I'm happy enough that I have some passive income from doing what I love doing (no stress). HP is an outlet (reading and writing) for me and it's a great avenue to learn and grow from it.

      Salute to all credible hubbers like you! It's been a pleasure to connect and this is one enjoyable read.

      Well, it's me sending you some love from the sky. :)

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      What the hell are you yacking about? HP is super duper awesome. I just cannot endorse them enough. I think I want to turn my nearly 500 hubs into profit.

      But that is not the deal here. If you want to make money here ---- network like a good dog. Otherwise go elsewhere. This is home. This is our home Bill. I think that some folk take my criticism here wrong. I am really just talking to my wife about maybe some new carpet but do not change my house/home.

      You BillyBuc are huge here and baby do not change. Like we talked about yesterday --- I love you man, like real love.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      I totally agree with you Bill. For real writers, the pros outweigh the cons, plus we are not sentenced to this site. We are free to leave when we find something better. Congratulations on the progress you have made with your novel!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, I'll take all the love from the sky that I can get. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on HP. I know for a fact that I love the community because of people like you...so thank you...and hugs coming back at you.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, some folks will take wrong no matter what you say....no worries, buddy. As long as you and I have each other we have a support group. LOL

      And yes, real love....I love you too my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, thank you kind lady. I love your smile by the way. Great new profile picture of you.

      Yep, we are free to leave any old time, but you won't find me leaving. This is my literary home and I love it here.

      Thank you, Dora, and I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

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      FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

      I've always found staff responsive to specific, reasonable requests that I have made. This isn't intended to be my full-time gig, just part of it, and I enjoy the community and the skill building. I appreciate the ideas and the feedback, the encouragement and the camaraderie. I like your observations about ebooks and this being a platform for building.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Flourish, all good observations. I know for a fact that I am grateful that you are here at HP. Thank you!

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      Trinity M 3 years ago

      Hi Bill! Remember me??? Lol! I just popped in to check some stuff on my hubs and there you were first on my HP Page and I just HAD to stop by and have a read. As always a wonderful hub! I love HP. I have barely written any hubs, I don’t have time to check in and I STILL make money. It doesn’t get better than that. And no, I don’t make a lot of money, but when it comes it’s a great little surprise; and if I invested more time and effort, the surprises would come more often.

      I hope you are well and know that you are always in my thoughts. Love to you always. :)

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      Heidi Thorne 3 years ago from Chicago Area

      So agree! I've been on HP just under a year and a half, but have been extremely satisfied with my experience from the beginning. Like you, I've found some totally amazing people (including you!) that I likely would not have met elsewhere.

      Also like you, I've used this as a testing ground for some material that will make it into my books (some of it already has). The ad income is a nice perk. I've also moved my primary blogging efforts over here due to the high costs of running two self-standing blogs for some years. It's been a time and cost management tool that I'm so glad I found.

      Thanks for sharing the HP love!

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      Ronald E. Franklin 3 years ago from Mechanicsburg, PA

      What a great perspective on writing and even on life. It was encouraging to read this hub; it put a little more gas in the tank to keep on writing. Thanks!

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      Ann Carr 3 years ago from SW England

      It certainly is very cool, bill. I love this site and the community makes it what it is. Friends, supporters, advisors, mentors, are all available at the click of a key.

      I've realised lately that some of my articles could be put together as a set of writing; I've also come across an old one which surprised me so I'm working that into a book eventually!

      Amazing what comes of taking part in a writers' site, isn't it? I'm so glad that I found it and took the decision to become a part of it. So many caring friends that we've never even seen - I find that strange but uplifting, so hubpages is a good place for me.

      Good piece, making a good point that its value is in the 'whole board' rather than just the money. Well done, bill! Ann

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      Anne Harrison 3 years ago from Australia

      So true; writers write because they have to write. Money is always nice, but if you write with an eye to the money, then you are not writing what you truly want to write (I'm sure Shakespeare said that better....) Thanks for an article that puts everything in perspective, and reminds we why I get up early every morn to put finger to keyboard.

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      Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Someone once asked what kind of writing pays the best. The answer? Ransom notes.

      You've said a lot here that we seasoned hubbers would agree with. I've been sorry to see so many hubbers leave as of late, but HP seems to revolve in two year cycles. Here's to us who stay the course! Thanks for the shot in the arm, friend.

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      Suzanne Day 3 years ago from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

      Hubpages is great because of the people you meet. Before I joined Hubpages I didn't have many friends as it's hard to connect with people who are so different from you in real life. I didn't want to have to travel great distances or force people to meet with me. On Hubpages, it's much friendlier than Facebook as people want to write and comment and chat. On Facebook, people are not writers and don't really want to type more than a one liner.

      The money is nice and it's always been said that most people will have to write a lot of hubs to get paid anything decent. But to do a lot of hubs, generally I think you'd have to enjoy the writing process anyway.

      Billybuc, I find you an inspiration in our HP community and it was interesting to read about the ebook idea. Voted useful and up!

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      sheilamyers 3 years ago

      Wonderful hub! If I was expecting to make a lot of money here, I would've quit a long time ago. The fact is, I don't even have AdSense so I write for free. I started here at HP for all of the other reasons you mentioned. I've learned so much from people like you who write advice for other writers and simply by reading other people's hubs on any topic. To me, the value of HP is found in what I can learn and the friends I have met. Keep up the great work.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Trinity my dear, it is so good to hear from you. I will assume you are very busy with your business. I hope it is successful. Thank you so much for stopping by. Sending hugs and love your way.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, thanks for sharing your experience here. I value your opinion and it's nice to know you agree with mine. LOL

      Have a great weekend my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ron, thanks for the visit and the follow. I'm glad I could fill up your tank. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, you definitely have an ebook or two inside of you. I'm looking forward to the day when you announce that they are published.

      Enjoy your weekend. I am a very satisfied customer at the HP Lovefest.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anne, I don't remember who it was, but a famous author once said the same thing. If we are writing for money then we really shouldn't be writers. Money is a bonus if it comes. The real joy should be in the writing itself.

      Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

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      Melvin Porter 3 years ago from New Jersey, USA

      Billy, good article. You made it abundantly clear that there are more rewards from writing on Hubpages than just making a passive income. Unfortunately, many of the writers here do not realize that.

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      I share Paula's emotions. It really is a slap in the face when you give the site exactly what they ask for and your score either goes down or doesn't budge as it has been the last three hubs of mine, one of which is at 92 now but I stay at 87. They say it is not manual but apparently some of our hubs are simply shut down to profiles rising. I guess you could say we are sort of like children and need a little appreciation instead of daily insult. If another place like HP showed up that really was fair to all I wonder how many of their elites even would stick around? I don't think many would forget how uncaring they have been. They would be history. Maybe we could get Paula to start a writing site and all go with her? Hmmmm

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Kathleen and I'm so glad some of us have hung in here....love the joke about ransom notes. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Suzanne. I'm somewhat of a recluse. If I meet new people they have to come to my house. LOL So HP has been a miracle for me and I couldn't be happier here....and thank you so much for your kind words. Have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheila, you said it all my friend. I'll make my money from other sources...HP is for the community for me. Thank you and I appreciate your friendship greatly.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melpor, I've found that to be true. I can't speak for other people and I do understand where they are coming from...but for me...I am one satisfied customer because of the community of writers.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I understand completely and I understood what Paula was saying. If all of my friends disappear I guess I'll have to go with them, since they are the reason why I'm here. Thanks for your thoughts young lady.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I said my piece on the continual disappointment with HP's management and what I see as neglect, unfairness and lack of appreciation for it's writers. Money has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction......be that as it may, I got it all off my chest.

      In NO way should I have neglected to express my feelings about my fellow-writers...whom I absolutely love, respect and admire. I've made this clearly obvious and I sincerely feel a part of a huge, wonderful family.

      In fact.....it IS our helpful, generous, talented and lovable hubbers who literally make this site what it is. So many of my Hub buddies are people I will be fond of forever.....and always keep in touch with, no matter where any of us may wander.

      All of this goes without saying. I brag constantly about my "good cyber friends from all over the world" When at times I have been absent for a short time....I MISS everyone here as much as I miss my lifelong loved ones.

      Of course....because I feel such a bond of love and loyalty to all of you.......it only makes me sadder that we are treated as we are. That's my final thought.

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      Nithya Venkat 3 years ago from Dubai

      A great inspiring hub to keep writing on here on HubPages. Great points showcased.

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      Ronnie Sowell 3 years ago from South Carolina

      I have never made a cent here and don't want to. I have grown here, learned a bit about writing from folks like you and that is all I ever cared about. Well, that and sharing my stuff with folks who seem to like it!

      Great hub!

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      Lately my initial enthusiasm for Hub Pages seems to have rekindled a bit as the earnings have picked up enough to encourage me to keep going. Even in my darkest days of disullusionment with this site I never wanted to completely disengage, because I knew that Hub Pages was a better long term prospect. It is a much more stable, professional platform than its rival sites, and I have yet to see a frustrating 504 error pop up here. I look upon Hub Pages as a long term investment that if cultivated correctly will eventually pay dividends. Great hub as usual, my friend, and have yourself a fantastic evening!

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      I love reading a variety of works by wonderful writers. I love writing about whatever it is I have on my heart at the time. I love writing whenever I so choose to do so. I love that someone actually reads what I write, much to my surprise and delight! I love that I have become friends with many truly good and wonderful people who have hearts of love. That is what I love about HubPages ... it is a community, like family.

      You have stated a lot of great facts here, Bill, for HP is a great medium to branch out into other areas while still remaining here to grow and learn from others, and best of all keep friendships.

      I had one of my hub articles, a true story, published in an ebook and was humbled that I was asked to contribute. I was happy to do so for it was for a wonderful cause. I still have not deleted that hub but have unpublished it and saving it here for some reason. I guess because it is so special to me. I wish that I did not have to unpublish it because it is now in an ebook. Initially, I thought I would be able to keep it published here because I was not placing it on another website, but in a book. So, I thought it would be okay, but I had to unpublish it as HP would say duplicate. I wonder if that is truly the case to have to unpublish hubs that are in ebooks?

      Awesome hub. Up and more

      Have a great weekend,

      Faith Reaper

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Oh, plus, they do not seem to mind that I take up a bit of space commenting : )

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 3 years ago from Philippines

      this is a nice, helpful hub Billybuc. You helped me realize that you can tap on the community to put together the book you never thought you'd ever finish. So more than money, there are many other benefits aside from wanting to be paid for your writing. Thanks for sharing these positive things about hub pages.

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      theBAT 3 years ago

      Hi, this is a very enlightening hub. I love and play chess. And yes, your coach is right, we got to see the whole board. Thank you for this hub. It is an inspiration to write more on HubPages.

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      Sherry Hewins 3 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

      Congratulations on being so close to finishing your second book! In all I do look as my time on HP as being time well spent.

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      Nuien Wainwright-Harrower 3 years ago from Malaysia

      Very well said! I'm a new writer and I loved reading this article of yours. I really love writing and I have always wanted a platform to write, learn, and test to see if my writing would ever be of helpful and valuable to readers out there. I will think about earning later on as I'm more concern about my ability to write well and more at the moment.

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      Randi Benlulu 3 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      First, in answer to your final question:

      WAY COOL!!! While I don't disagree with all that you said, I still love Hubpages! Thank you for your words of wisdom!

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      I agree with this hub Bill. Although I have had a few gripes on here, mainly trying to get poetry rated more highly in the general scheme of things, I do love the community and the platform HP provides to write whatever I like. I don't care about the money. If I did I wouldn't be here. I look forward to getting my first payout by the end of this year. The pros definitely out way the cons, and I have also met people on here who can organize my book when I am ready, another who is am editor etc. Some other creative writing sites you actually have to pay a fee to be a part of, so HP is great.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Greatly mentioned! I don't sweat the small stuff what I write matters more to me.

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      I may go away to other writing platforms, but I will always remember HP as my first love. I have learned a lot on HP. Gee, I never thought about comprising an e-book with my articles. Congrats.

      Voted UP, etc. and shared.

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      Thelma Alberts 3 years ago from Germany

      Very cool Bill! Very cool! As I sign in here 3 years ago, I only saw that HP would be my platform for my writings and that I learned a lot being here. I did not know at first that I could earn money by writing here. For me my writing comes first together with my readers. The money is just a bonus. Thanks for sharing this very inspiring hub. Have a wonderful weekend!

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      Sima Ballinger 3 years ago from Michigan

      This is an encouraging message. One of my greatest joys on HP is sharing good information. You have done a great job explaining your goals, and I think that's what makes writing worthwhile - having goals, and working toward them. Thanks for sharing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Paula! There has never been any doubt how much you care about your fellow Hubbers, and I feel safe in saying that we all feel the same about you.

      Have a great weekend, Sis!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vellur! It is always nice having you stop by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      resspenser, I'm very happy you have gotten out of HP what you wanted....a win-win situation for you for sure. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mel! Long term investment.....that's a great way to look at it. Have a wonderful weekend, buddy!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, I'm honestly not sure. I have not been asked to take any of my hubs down and there are quite a few in ebooks. Until someone says something, they will remain on HP. I'm following the "don't ask don't tell" policy. LOL

      Have a great weekend my friend.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, they better not mind! :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      grand old lady, I know for sure that you have an ebook in you. Just compile all of your similar hubs into a book. It's as simple as that. Good luck to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      theBAT, I'm glad you found this helpful. I just think there are a lot of avenues for us to follow if you use our imaginations. Good luck to you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for the well-wishes, Sherry, and best wishes to you as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicky, welcome to HP and thank you for the following. If I can ever be of any help feel free to ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Randi, and I greatly appreciate your support and positive attitude.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I know I speak for many when I say I am very happy that you are here. Thank you for your support, and I hope you have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DDE, I had a mentor who once told me not to sweat the small stuff and it's all small stuff. :) The longer I live the more I believe those words. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well Mary, give it some thought. What do you have to lose by doing so?

      Have a great weekend and thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Thelma! Like you, I started here for the platform. The bonus came with the friendships, and what a bonus it was. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Treasuresofheaven, how nice to have you visit. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 3 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      Bill, hubpages was my first foray into online writing and I will always be thankful to it for offering me this platform.

      I did not write for over 6 months at hubpages in between and surely missed writing here as well as the friendships made here.

      You raise very valid points. Not everything can be measured in monetary terms.

      Great writing as usual. Have a good weekend my friend.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, another very interesting write. We're all here for different reasons, you've highlighted many of them. We make use of the site and when we've outgrown it we move on. I've reduced the amount of time I spend on HP, but I still enjoy the community and wonderful friends like you. take care, have a great weekend and my best to you.

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      CraftytotheCore 3 years ago

      Hi Billy. The number one reason I feel so satisfied with HP is the friendships I've made here. That's what keeps me coming back. It amazes me how many people really care about one another yet none of us have ever met. Most of us have so much in common that we feel so connected to one another through reading each other's stories. It's very gratifying to log in to HP and find 10 people right on the recent posts that you identify with and talk with almost daily.

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      Bill De Giulio 3 years ago from Massachusetts

      Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. I look at HubPages as my work in training. The fact that I get paid is just a bonus. I don't need the money and I simply put what I make here toward the next vacation so I have more material to write about. I actually get great personal satisfaction in writing about my travels. I look at it as a way of summarizing and chronicling my adventures. Years from now when my grandkids want to know about our travels I can show them my Hubs.

      It's finally spring here today, first day near 70 degrees so I'm back out to the yard. Have a great weekend.

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      Audrey Hunt 3 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      You are pure inspiration Bill, as is this hub. I, for one, am grateful for the opportunity that being a writer for HubPages brings to me.

      I have learned and grown so much in the past 4 years. And I can't say enough about my dear, supportive friends who are always 'there for me.'

      Thank you for writing this hub, for your constant encouragement of me, a little bud trying to bloom into a full-fledged flower.

      My love to you, my kind and generous friend. - Audrey

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Yes, I have seen others keeping there's up and saying they have ebooks and excerpts from books in hubs, so it must be okay. I can see if it were on another site, then no that would not fly, but if in a book or ebooks, that is a whole different ballgame. I am glad to hear it, as I would love to keep it on HP, as I said it is very special to me. Oh, I meant to add I did love Paula's rant there. The people on HP is what makes this community such a wonderful place to write, learn and love.

      Enjoy your Saturday.

      Blessings

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      moonlake 3 years ago from America

      I make a small amount of money on here but I would stay around no matter what. Enjoyed your hub and reading all the comments. Voted up and shared.

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      Audrey Howitt 3 years ago from California

      Look at all the comments here! Happy Saturday Bill--I had no idea you had that many articles and/or that many ebooks in the works--good for you!!

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      mylindaelliott 3 years ago from Louisiana

      Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I have a job and a small business. I am so glad to make a small amount of money and work on my craft. I do this a little at a time. Life is good.

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      Brenda Thornlow 3 years ago from New York

      Great points you made here. I've only been with HubPages for a couple of months so I haven't really experienced much negative experiences, but I'm sure there are quirks as there is with anything. Right now I'm happy I have someplace to share my work and meet other writers. Thanks so much for the tips. Voted up!

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      Jesse Helton 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Very true, I use hubpages for staging my eBooks now. It's great to have a place to get paid while you work. Thanks for the article and showing people how hubpages should really be used.

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      Donna Caprio Quinlan 3 years ago from Newburyport, MA

      Bill- I love your post because still being fairly new here you let me know know what to expect. I think I'll stay around for awhile, and take it slow and easy, as I have a lot going on. I will continue to think of the whole picture as I continue. I am surprised that you have been writing for just three years! You have a natural way with words.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, it was very noticeable when you were gone. Glad you are back my friend, and thank you! Enjoy your weekend as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Jo! Yes, eventually the time will come when I'll have to cut back on HP, but I can't imagine dropping it completely. I just enjoy the people too much to stop.

      I appreciate you Jo. Thank you so much and enjoy your weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brandi, it is indeed, and I find it as amazing as you do, people I have never met and yet whom I care about. Very strange indeed. :)

      Thank you and have a great weekend.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Hi Bill.

      Awesome. So true , yet frightening now after seeing the "whole Board ,"- above average in size . After all , missing part of the puzzle apparently I might come across eventually.

      Forever grateful.

      Michael

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Bill! It's spring here as well and loving it. The garden will be planted by tomorrow and then all I have to do is water and watch it grow.

      Have a wonderful weekend buddy.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, how could I not support someone like you? I'm in your corner until the day you kick me out of it.

      Have a lovely weekend my songbird.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you again, Faith, and I always love Paula's rant. LOL

      blessings back at you

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you moonlake....we certainly hit the jackpot with the comments...very gratifying.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, I'm blown away by the number of comments on this one....yes, I have been a busy little beaver. The clock on my lifeline is ticking and I have much to do. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mylindaelliott, that is my favorite phrase...life is good!

      Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bk42author, thank you for stopping by. Yes, there are quirks on every site....this is where I got my start and this is where I'll remain.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jesse, good for you my new friend. Thanks for the follow and I look forward to reading some of your work.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donna, that is a nice thing for you to say. Thank you. Maybe the nuns really did know what they were doing when they taught us. LOL

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      Ruchira 3 years ago from United States

      I kinda agree with your logical reasoning.

      Cause even though HP pays peanuts, the friends I have made in return is immeasurable!

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      Kathleen Odenthal Romano 3 years ago from Bayonne, New Jersey

      great hub bill! nice to see the benefits of this site from the eyes of another writer. I always enjoy your pieces.

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      Nancy Owens 3 years ago from USA

      I liked that you talk about all the other benefits we get by writing here at Hub Pages. You always make me think, and that is a good thing. We are responsible for our perseverance and the level of success we achieve in writing and in life. I also liked the video and bookmarked this for future reference.

      Thank you for such a useful Hub.

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      Cynthia Sageleaf 3 years ago from Western NC

      Always have loved HP - it's not without its imperfections; indeed nothing is. But I value what I've learned, the people I've met and the platform it provides for me to build my brand.

      So glad to know you, too!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, keep looking for that missing piece. I look forward to the day when you find it.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruchira, I guess it's all about perspective. Money was never a motivating factor for me on HP, so I can't be disappointed if I don't make much.

      Thanks as always!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Kathleen! I'll be by to see your latest in a few.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Nancy! I believe in the statement that if we are writing just to make money we need to look for another way of making a living. Writing is about passion first and foremost.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Cyndi! You are a doll and of course my lil Sis, and I'll always be in your corner.

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      Sparklea 3 years ago from Upstate New York

      Billybuc, well I printed ANOTHER hub to place in my Billybuc folder!

      You are SO correct...if a writer is only focusing on making money, in my opinion they are DOOMED. You have a stick-tuitiveness about you that is not only off the charts but an inspiration to all of us who love to write.

      Your best statement: "Making money is a small part of being a writer.

      I am so thrilled you are in the final stages of "Resurrecting Tobias." I am one of your biggest fans! I applaud you for encouraging those of us on Hub Pages to keep at it. I, too, have met some wonderful people on the Hubs, and, for that, I stay with it, even if I can only visit for a few minutes as my days are so hectic.

      When I was working, lots of times I would publish an article in a newspaper or magazine, many times for free...which is great for exposure and a writing credit list to present in the future to a book editor. People said the same thing to me, "NEVER write for free,' and you are not getting paid what you are worth." OR, "did they pay you for that?" That is the one question that infuriates me.

      You are CORRECT: Really? What I'm worth?

      Thank you for another wonderful hub...your writing lights up my computer. God bless, Sparklea/Lea ;)

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Well said, Bill! Hubpages is certainly a great way to spread our writing around.

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      Martie Coetser 3 years ago from South Africa

      There is surely validity in most, if not all, the complaints, but because of all the wonderful friends I have made in HubPages I see it as a HOME where I effectively interact with fellow-writers. I miss those who have left us, grateful for being still able to interact with some of them elsewhere.

      I regret not having enough time on my hands to be more active in here. Leaving HP will not easily become an option on my agenda. I will rather go with the flow until the ship sinks. My friends in here are more worth than money in my pocket.

      A well-needed hub, Billy - to determine the current state of affairs :)

      Let's hope The Team try a bit harder to meet the expectations of the chickens laying the needed eggs. (A hope like hoping for ice in a desert, if you consider the life of a chicken.)

      Cackle-cackle-cackle....

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      Melinda Longoria, MSM 3 years ago from Garland, Texas

      I enjoyed this article and learned so much! The video that you included on google adwords was very helpful to me. I was able to gain a better understanding on using appropriate titles in hubpages. I never really understood google adwords until now. Congratulations on being in the final stages of your second novel, “Resurrecting Tobias.” I appreciate your take on the worth of hubpages as it relates to networking as a writer. I definitely agree that we are a part of a unique community of very talented people here on hubpages. Voted up & sharing. You've gained a new follower. I am looking forward to reading more of your hubpages.

      Sincerely, Melinda

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lea, as always I greatly appreciate your kind words. There are excellent writers with much stronger credentials than I have....they can charge the big bucks and probably deserve them. I'm still paying my dues in this business.

      And I love it here at HP because of people like you.

      blessings, hugs and love always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It sure is, vkwok. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martie...LOL.....I receive more than I dreamed I would from HP. I may have to cut back on my activity here and concentrate more on novel writing, but I will not leave my friends. Loyalty is one of my finer qualities.

      Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melinda, welcome to my site and thank you for your following. I really do appreciate you taking the time to read and comment. Here's to a long friendship!

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      Mary 3 years ago from Cronulla NSW

      Good on you Billy, your hub is insightful and would no doubt express the sentiments of many of us here at HP.. I for one have really enjoyed the opportunity to learn to write here, and to write pretty much what I want to write ..I'm not writing here now as much as I used to but that's because I've set myself some goals to write novels instead and choose to spend less time writing articles..I do love the choice to write when I want and to continue making residual income, and of course reading great hubs like this one..thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one Billy, have a great day.. Cheers

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, Carter. I'm so happy to hear you are working on novels. Bravo my friend!

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      Emunah La Paz 3 years ago from Arizona

      Thanks for the positive insight! I consider myself to be a newbie, actually picking up where I left off from two years ago. The warm welcome that I got from the Hubpage staff is encouraging. Keep the positive articles coming! Voted up! And tweeted out!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      swilliams, well welcome back, and thank you kindly for stopping by my site. I appreciate it.

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      Jeannie InABottle 3 years ago from Baltimore, MD

      I agree with you, Bill. Sometimes I sympathetic towards the naysayers, and other times, not so much. I look at it this way... it is free to use HubPages. No one at HubPages holds a gun to your head and makes anyone write anything... at least, not that I know of! I would be forced to write for a new site if that was happening. ;-) If a person decides HubPages does not pay enough... that is cool. Go start a website, post all your stuff there, and see how it goes. Something tells me most people are not willing to do that. I tried it once years ago. Guess what? I did not get any traffic. I am sticking with HubPages. :-)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for your viewpoint, Jeannie, and obviously I agree. I have never really understood what all the complaints are about, but then I was never on HP for the money so maybe that has something to do with it. Lots of people went to Bubblews and made more money, and I respect them for it, but I also know there are problems on that site as well. I've found my greener pastures and I'm not leaving.

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      Cheryl 3 years ago

      I have always said and even with my novels when it has to become a job I don't want to do it. I enjoy writing and as long as its joy and not deadlines then I am happy. Money isn't as much as making a name for yourself.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cheryl, I agree completely. There has to be passion or writing is going to be a very hard gig to get up for each morning. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      As always Bill you lead the way and stir emotion. Nothing is perfect as we are all well aware, but I think you make great points in support of our "home" HP.

      Not only that but your example shows great things can happen here. Millionaires? Not yet maybe, but success stories YES!

      Thanks for sharing all the insights and hints people can use to get their own ebooks published.

      Voted up, useful, ,awesome, interesting, shared, and pinned.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey, Mary, good to see you again and thank you! Money? Sure I'd like to make more, but that just means I'll have to work harder. Bottom line is it is up to me how successful I am.

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      Theresa Ast 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Bill - Your points are all well taken and right on the mark. In the last 50-70 years American society has changed and most of us want results and we want them now. We have sadly forgotten that any craftsman or artist spends years and years as an apprentice. And HP is an excellent place, even with all the frustrations, to spend those years learning and refining one's craft. Excellent Hub. Theresa

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for saying that, Theresa! I was just talking to someone yesterday about this....the current Pulitzer Prize winner in fiction spent eight years working on her book....eight years!!!!!! No instant gratification there.

      blessings and thanks

      bill

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 3 years ago

      This has me thinking now. Interesting. Maybe I should e-publish a book on my Wicca hubs as a learning tool. Thanks for sharing your experiences, great advice.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wiccan, I'm thinking the Wicca subject is perfect for an ebook. I hope you try it.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Great hub, Bill. I have often thought that I would like to turn my RV articles into an E book, and maybe one day I will. On the other hand, I like that they help people and that the help costs them nothing...and I make a few dollars in the mix. I've always been happy here and feel this is a very good writing site...it is also a free online writing education, and that is worth a great deal to me. Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Timetraveler2, good for you. Yes, I think you could easily make an ebook, but then if you don't really need to, or care to, then why bother, right? Thanks for your thoughts.

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      PurvisBobbi44 3 years ago from Florida

      Bill,

      You are so popular that I need an elevator to reach the bottom in order to comment on your hubs.

      I missed reading your hubs and I still love the ones about your chickens---they are in the top five of what I love to read about.

      You have helped so many of us and I am sure if I ever get an ebook together I will be asking you questions. You have so many followers, which shows you are a savvy writer who knows his audience---and we are smart to follow you.

      Your Friend,

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, that is a lovely thing for you to say. I am humbled my friend. Thank you!

      bill

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      Anne 3 years ago from Hobart, Tasmania ~ Australia.(The little bit broken off the bottom of AUS)

      Ahhh well, no complaints here - I'm doing better than before I started writing. So in my book, HP is suiting me just fine!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      organised Kaos, thanks for weighing in on this and I agree with you.

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      Pamela Oglesby 3 years ago from United States

      What a great article! The reaons you listed to stay on Hubpages pretty well sums up mine reasons also, although I do come and go a bit to write freelance as we simply need the income. I just completed a direct order that had 18 articles at 1000 words each, which paid well. Coming back to Hubpages to me is like returning from a vacation as it feels like home. When I am writing here it is about something I think people might be interested in and it certainly involves being more creative than freelance writing.

      This is another awesome hub, and I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pamela, I love that you are established and doing so well at freelancing. Well done my friend. It's always nice hearing from you when you have time for HP. Best wishes to you always.

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      Musu Bangura 3 years ago from Nation's Capital

      Thanks Bill. Once again a very insightful article. I've learned so much from Hub Pages alone that there is very little room for me to complain. In fact, I'm able to thrive in other avenues of online writing because I learned the basics from here. I have more confidence in creating articles that draw interest and discussion which ultimately gives me more confidence as a writer. Thanks again for sharing such useful information.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Zainab, I love that you have gained so much from HP. Carry on my friend and best wishes to you....and thank you!

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      Anna Haven 3 years ago from Scotland

      Good evening Mr Holland

      Well you were spot on with your evaluation of Hubpages. I have found it very educational (mainly due to yourself) and actually very supportive. In the great scheme of things it is a passing chariot in a forward flying wind, but a very endearing one. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, I would have left HP a long time ago if it were not for the support and friendship of people like you. Thank you my friend.

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      mathira 3 years ago from chennai

      billy, hub pages was the first platform I chose to write articles. It has been two and half years since I joined it. I am still learning and your hub was meant to inspire people like me who are determined to succeed. I cannot thank you enough.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mathira, you and I started about the same time. We have both grown here as writers and I love that. Thank you!

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 3 years ago

      Well said Bill - I never even thought about writing on the internet until I saw HubPages. I'm not extremely prolific, but I enjoy writing here. It's free, I can write pretty much what I want, and the formatting options are already set up. Makes it easier for me since I like all those "make it pretty" options. Like you said it's like training and I really love what you said in the beginning..."Sure it would be nice to make a little bit more money, and sure it would be nice if the HP staff were a little more responsive or caring, but they aren’t and it’s their business and that’s just the way it goes." Perfectly said...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Glimmer and Happy Wednesday to you. It is what it is my friend. We can either enjoy it or we are free to move on....I think I'll stay. :)

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      Kalai 3 years ago from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia

      People talk about writing for the love of writing and not the money etc. etc. I love to write but I am beginning to wonder,"How much does the average Joe, make here in a month?" Is it really that bad? I was with Bubblews and gave that up to get here thinking the admin was better here but reading all the above, I am wondering ... did I make mistake?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vvitta, I don't know how to answer you. I had my first payout after three months.....now, two years later, I make decent money here. It takes a lot of articles and patience. Good luck to you.

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      So true, Billy. My dated material for Life at Boomer Lake, even back in 2012, is still getting hits. Some of my material has upwards of 2,000 hits, so I can't complain. I have a name and many know it...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Very true, Deb, and what is cool is that the same will be true five years from now. :)

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