Making All Adverts Invisible while Logged In

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   WryLiltposted 13 years ago

   I don't know if this is workable or not, it's just a suggestion.
   
   However I was just reading a thread about hubbers "rewarding" other hubbers by clicking their adverts.
   
   My suggestion: Since we cannot see Kontera adverts while logged in, could the same be applied to Adsense?
   
   Obviously there are two problems with this:-
   
   1. You need to see how your hub will look with adverts inserted to avoid ugly spaces etc. Solution: Show hubs just as in preview mode, with a grey square.
   
   2. Some hubbers check their adverts because they want to check appropriate material is being displayed to visitors for maximum clicks. Solution: Either the hubber can log out to view their hubs OR the ability to see adverts can be turned on/off.
   
   As I said, I don't know if this is workable but it's likely to help hubbers who may accidentally click and/or new hubbers in particular.

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   I'd be against this Wry, because I sometimes tweak hubs so that they display the ads I want them to display. I couldn't be bothered logging out and in again every time I wanted to check.
   Having said that, I find it deeply disturbing that some hubbers seem to think this clicking on other hubbers ads is a good thing.
   I think that adsense should boot them off the program. Or Hubpages should bar them. but I don't know if they can make (or already have) software that will tell them who is clicking on what.

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   Paul Edmondsonposted 13 years ago

   We've thought a bit about this and we do reduce the number of ads for logged in people.
   
   Clicking on other people's ads is a big no,no and will likely result in getting banned from AdSense and HubPages.

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      WryLiltposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Paul.

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      Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I was wondering how HubPages came to that decision.
      
      Why isn't the fact that hubbers can not click on hub page ads a rule that is told to new hubbers up front when they are learning the system?
      
      I know never to click my own ads, but it never occurred to me not to click any of the other hubbers ads. The message got mixed up. To click on ads that only interest you, but only with those who write quality hubs. Otherwise you would be encouraging low standard to spam hubbers to keep writing and posting those type of hubs until they get kicked off of hub pages for having low hubs.
      
      Now it is irrelevant, since I can't click on any ads.

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      TopUniverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It looks new problem to hubbers.
      Who will be banned?
      Adsense publisher of the hub or the person who is clicking the ads (if he has adsense a/c)

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         All of us here on Hubpages.

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            TopUniverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You mean all of adsense publisher here at hubpages will be banned.
            Is it true or Are you joking?

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               IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Not joking.
               
               If hubbers continue to click ads, Hubpages will be forced to ban first of all the hubbers doing it, but the whole time we are all at risk of Adsense banning Hubpages.

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                  TopUniverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  OMG!
                  "but the whole time we are all at risk of Adsense banning Hubpages."
                  
                  That means adsense will ban hubpages from displaying their ads in the site or adsense will individually ban accounts of  all publishers accounts in hubpages so that we all lose our adsense accounts.
                  
                  Can you clarify me?

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                     Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     The only thing I can gather right now is that if hubbers continue to click ads that are not their own, they are not in violation of Adsense. Each person here has their own adsense code shown 60% of the time, and Hub Pages 40% of the time.
                     
                     Since Hub Pages shows their ads 40% of the time, someone suggested that we may click on their ads too many times. I'm not sure what the difference is between a hubber doing it, and someone from the search engine doing the same thing.
                     
                     It may have something to do with being logged in.
                     
                     People with referrals where their own code might show up would have to be careful also.
                     
                     Other than that, I don't know.
                     
                     Will we actually be banned from hub pages for not knowing? I don't know. There are more hubbers here than you or I that are just hearing about this.
                     
                     Will we be banned from Ad Sense? I would legally like to see where it says I can not click another publishers ads if I'm interested in them. I know my code is not going into any other publishers code. I have legally seen where it says I can not click on my own ads. My ads are on my hubs, and possibly hubs I linked to. I knew not to click on any of them.
                     
                     Will adsense ban Hub Pages? I doubt it, since I read Hub Pages is getting 47 million visitors a month. That is a lot of Ad revenue Hub Pages would be bringing in for advertisers of Ad Words, especially if they are bringing in quality traffic. Hub Pages themselves have done nothing against AdSense terms that I know of.

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                        Susana Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        You've been told. Now give it a rest. Your reasoning has been shown to be wrong - swallow it and move on. It's safer just to not click ads on HubPages and for everyone to know that. I see plenty of threads where new hubbers have had their adsense accounts terminated for TOS violations and they will not get them back - ever.
                        
                        Please never visit my hubs.

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                           Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Excuse me, where in the above post did I say anything about clicking on ads? Did I say anything that said it was ok to any longer? Did I say I was going to continue?
                           
                           Or was I actually trying to answer his question, and make sense of all of this? The top portion was the reasons others told me as to why people could get into trouble, or is that wrong also? The bottom portion was trying to answer will many people get banned on this site as well as Adsense?
                           
                           I'm only one hubber. There are many, many more who don't even realize this rule exists. What about them? It wasn't just me clicking on other peoples ads before.
                           
                           For clarification, I'm not any longer.

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                              Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              PS. Meaning I am no longer clicking on any ads on Hub Pages. There I spelled it out.

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Delighted you learned something. 

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                        ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Similar sites to hubpages have been banned in the past when their members engaged in click fraud. Heck, I know people who got their account shut down by someone else intentionally through doing just that.
                        
                        Adsense will not hesitate to ban an account if it senses any irregularity at all.
                        
                        It can afford to lose hubpages, but hubpages can't afford to lose adsense.

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                        lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Is this legal enough? From the AdSense Terms and Conditions that you agreed to when you signed up for the program:
                        
                        "Google may at any time, in its sole discretion, terminate all or part of the Program, terminate this Agreement, or suspend or terminate the participation of any Property in all or part of the Program for any reason."
                        
                        If you want to muck around with your own account, so be it. But leave the other hubbers out of it.

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      frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      For me you can remove the lot. This thread (and the other one) makes me feel ill. If I lost my account because of someone else's supposed ignorance - who fancies my chances convincing Google? I certainly don't

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   ThomasEposted 13 years ago

   If you have an adsense account, I suggest using Mozilla and downloading adblocker plus ( I think it is available for chrome and maybe other browsers too). Turn it on, and adsense is blocked. Turn it off, and you can see adsense.
   
   Most of the time I am on hubpages, I can't see the adverts, and can't click them at all. I am at no risk of accidentally clicking a link and getting banned.
   
   I found it when I joined webanswers, and accidentally clicked an add and got paranoid I might end up with my account shut down.

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   Trish_Mposted 13 years ago

   This thread has left me feeling rather bewildered.
   
   If I ever saw an advert that interested me, I might then click on it. I can only remember doing so once, but it would never have occurred to me not to, just because I am a member ~ as long as it wasn't on my own hub, of course.
   
   And, personally, I can see the point of clicking on an ad related to a quality hub, rather than one which had involved little or no work ~ not for the sake of clicking, but if I would go to it, anyway, whatever site I saw it on.
   
   I would look something up, rather than click, if I did not like the hub that had been submitted for some reason.
   
   If I decided to buy something that I had noticed via someone else's hub, then isn't it fair that they get the chance of earning some commission ~ just as if a non-member had shown an interest and bought something?
   
   Have I misunderstood something?
   
   I'm bemused and confused

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   Trish_Mposted 13 years ago

   What if I click on an Amazon advert that I have inserted, in order to check the item?
   Is that against the rules, too?

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      ThomasEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No, it isn't. With amazon, they only pay you if the person who clicks through the link buys. So, it is against the rules to buy through your own link.
      
      With adsense, it is against the rules to click your own link or encourage people to click through your link.
      
      You can click amazon ads as often as you want.

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         Trish_Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Thomas
         
         So I'm ok clicking on my own Amazon ads, as long as I don't buy, but I mustn't click on any other ads at all, anywhere on Hub Pages??

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   Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

   I just saw this topic. I didn't realize that Bible Studies was dismissing Paul Edmondson as well as me in another topic.
   
   Google is a private company and can have any rules they want. There is no constitutional right to click. It is not covered under freedom of expression, free speech or anything else.
   
   Now I really agree with Wry Lilt that it would be great if ads were not shown to Hubbers - or if possible that any click coming from HP would automatically be ignored.
   
   It terrifies me to think of how many other Hubbers are this misguided. Now I see people aren't reading the Amazon TOS as well. Dear me.

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      Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I never dismissed Paul. I was just searching for some answers, which I found in my other thread with no thanks to you and others who were yelling and just saying stop without any clear answers. Don't go any further, because I got the answers I was looking for.

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         Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         PS. I forgive you and the others who yelled at me, and have mistaken what I was trying to say. Don't worry I don't expect anything back. If you haven't caught it on the other thread. I'm a reformed clicker - person who does not click on ads on hub pages for the long version - any longer. If anything, I have been trying to let others know of this issue, and that it is wrong.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 13 years ago

   It's unbelievable we are into our second thread on the subject.  I already kind of knew, it's obvious - and the first posts were enough to convince me - DONT CLICK ON THE ADS.
   
   Not hard to understand is it?  Nothing to argue about surely?  But no, lets try to find a way round it so we can risk the whole lot collapsing.  Absolutely bloody brilliant how some people are so convinced of their view that they can not see what everyone is telling them...
   
   DONT CLICK ON THE ADS.
   
   Right.  I don't actually feel much better for that because it shouldn't need saying.
   
   Software change is required, pretty soon I suggest for Hubpages.  Disable any ads - Adsense and Kontera I guess - for a logged in Hubber.  That stops this nonsense.

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      Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Problem is that there are other hubbers that don't know, don't understand, and/or don't even give a second thought to it.
      
      These are mainly new hubbers, new to adsense, consider adsense more as a hobby if I do get some money great, and those who do not have adsense accounts. This does not include the professional adsense community that keeps up on every little detail, since this is their main money maker.
      
      Those who I am referring to don't know the problem that with a shared site that members can not click on that sites ads. They don't know adsense terms. Why should they? I didn't either until recently.  There is really nothing stated on Hubs, except in the forums if a person is looking for it or stumbles on it.
      
      That was one of the reasons why I was trying so hard after getting a basic understanding to find something on the Hub site about this in terms, help, or learning section. Everyone kept directing me to adsense. Some people did such a good job explaining it, I was actually able to explain it to someone else beyond don't click it is in adsense terms, and they actually understood.
      
      Mr. Edmondson, please forgive me if hub members that do not have adsense accounts are a non-issue. I'm just going on what I read on adsense, and that it is a grey area. From what I read even those members may be an issue. You would know much better than I would.
      
      That might be why some forums tell their members that if they sign up, they can view their forums ad free.
      
      The best way would to be disable ads, except in the preview mode where we would only be able to see them. Or in the preview mode, see a gray box where adsens ads are suppose to be to see how their hub will look. If a person wants to check if their ads are compatible with the hub content, then they will have to log out to do so.
      
      Then again Hub Pages has lasted this long with Adsense without a portion of the hubbing community knowing about this. From the member responses I received, the more people that know, the better.

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         Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         PS. I didn't either until recently. = I didn't know about the issues with shared sites until recently.
         
         Also, would I have gotten shot down as much if people saw I didn't have any adsense ads on my hubs?

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            Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            PPS. The last part was hypothetically speaking. Of course I have adsense on my hubs, but what if I didn't? Would people have been kinder?

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               Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               PPPS. This is the last response I'm going to give, unless some one wants clarification as to what I'm saying.

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                  Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I suspect we have had sufficient clarification.

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   frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

   Ohhhhhhhhh Gods.
   
   HubPages please make it so that my ads aren't visible when folks are signed in. I'm in misery
   
   Frog

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