ALL students LEFT behind?

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   I've noticed that most every left-leaning person 'round here has responded to most every issue raised relating to problem behavior with "the answer is education."
   
   Just wondering if those of you of the leftward persuasion would ever substitute anything for "the answer is education" and when and why (and if anyone sees what I'm getting at).

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   Ghost32posted 14 years ago

   I definitely see what you're getting at, but then again, I don't lean to the left in the slightest.  Come to think of it, though, my Dad (when he was alive and I was growing up a real handful) must have believed "The answer is education".  I remember gettin' educated several times with a razor strap and (as I got a bit older) twice with a left hook.
   
   Trust me, that education works!

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      Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      My father, too, believed that 'the board of education applied to the seat of understanding,' was the best policy, and no child was ever left behind. We all gained full understanding.
      
      We were well educated at home, and went on to run our own businesses.

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   toby26posted 14 years ago

   I believe the person who said "education is the answer" to almost everything is "almost" right. Reason being that with education, people are knowing more things and hence they become smarter and not easily being foul at.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   Programs such as No Child Left Behind are dismal failures in some areas.  It is not because teachers did not try, but public school education is just very flawed.  I even went to a public school that performed better than many in my state, but if it had not been up to my own determination I would not have learned much of what I needed to know. 
   
   Education begins at home, and at a young age you need to get involved in your kids learning beyond the class room.  I did a large amount of reading above and beyond what my teachers gave out, which was a key factor for why I excelled in academics.  By high school I was taking AP courses through my own determination and will to be there.

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   LOL Not being anywhere close to left or right, I too think the answer is education. But not the kind of education our kids receive in schools - that are designed to indoctrinate, and not what already indoctrinated parents "educate" them either.
   
   Blinds leading blinds just come to the end we are watching now...

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The problem with kids in America is that a lot of them aren't educated by anyone... except maybe the television.  When I was a kid, a belt "whoopin'" was a form of education.  I don't know if I will spank my daughter, or not, but she will be educated.  I will not do her the disservice of letting her raise herself.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   Everyone has a different idea about doctrines, and surprisingly people can even learn if their opinions are different than ours.  To some degree people will never agree on anything you know.  There are some pretty impressive people who educate their children well.  We all have our own propaganda.

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   Is education the most important? Sure. I think most of what students learn in school they forget, and some of it isn't even important that they learn in the first place. I teach college freshmen on health topics, and it so so annoying when they don't even know the basics. What I remember from high school is medicine (all of it), science, some history, and some english. The way it is taught is not as successful as it should be.
   
   I understand where you're getting at. It really is education. For those who question and debate homosexuality, take a Safe Zone course. For those who debate Plan B, take a women's sexual health course. Debate science, please take an evolution course. Those are the three issues I've argued in the forums. And the most annoying thing is that people talk talk talk without even having the slightest of knowledge on the subject.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   Some people who are really good with math and science lack even what I would consider moderate historical understanding.  Also, I do not claim to be a science or math expert, but to be honest that is why I did not major in those subjects.  I enjoyed the astronomy courses I took in college, but these were geared towards humanities majors that had no intentions of going into these fields.  I think it is great we each have our own area of interest and expertise.  However, basic health concepts are something everyone should learn about.

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      Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Basics... that's all I'm sayin. And if you want to debate on a subject, or put your two cents in then know more about the subject before you do that. Or just ask questions. But some people are too proud to do that. No one knows everything. Or course someone will know much more about one particular subject than another. I work in health. So I know much more about health and science than english and art. A girl at work didn't know who Helen Keller was. "Do you know her?" She asked me. All I'm saying is there isn't anything wrong with continuing your education. And a lot of people seem to just stop where there field ends or in college. The best way is to just ask questions of those who are more knowledgeable on the subject.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   I am a strong advocate of education and I read constantly, so I am certainly in agreement with you there.  However, how can someone not know who Hellen Keller is?  That is pretty bad as we did many projects on her even in elementary school.  She is an amazingly lady, and what a few people do not know about her is she went on to travel the world, teach other children, and read/write in several languages.

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    No objection to that, just try to make sure you actually educate her, not indoctrinate. As much as I learned about you here, I think you can make a distinction

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    ledefensetechposted 14 years ago

    The old ways were best.  Reading, Writing and Arithmetic.  Teach them that and then they can teach themselves.  Far too many people today want to set it and forget it when it comes to raising their kids.  It's not that easy.  We're talking about little people here.  Unless we want them to stay little people we actually have to spend time with them and show them through word and deed what it is to be an adult.

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    Jane@CMposted 14 years ago

    I'm don't lean one way or another.  I highly believe in Education. It absolutely starts at home and continues at home while the child is in school.  Education is not just book learning, its also everyday learning, common sense, taking care of your body, learning how to cook, clean, balance a checkbook, etc.
    
    We are very fortunate to have a program in our State called PSEO - Post Secondary Education Option.  It allowed my daughter to concurrently finish her senior year in high school and her freshman year in college - when she begins as a "Freshman" this fall, she'll go in with 46 credits & start right into her EE major.

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    I agree that dual enrollment is cool. But I once had a situation as a RA where a student was living in the student apartments because she had enough credits to be considered a sophomore but she was not mentally ready to be living on her own. While earning some college credits while in high school is great and can prepare a student for classroom style and study habits, anything too excessive just takes away from the college experience. I also sat on a scholarship committee where a girl told me that she didn't get into an Ivy League college she applied for. The girl had a 4.0 GPA and had take over 30 college credits. But that means the school would lose out on a year of tuition so no acceptance. I know it sounds crazy, but this isn't the only case where a qualified student has been denied admission. Congrats on your daughter's success, she's ahead of the game! She'll do great! Need any college tips let me know I envy the EE students!

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       Jane@CMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I know several kids who had 4.0, didn't go PSEO & did not get into their Ivy League school of choice.  Our daughter chose to stay at the school where she earned her PSEO credits, so it was easy.  She is ready to move out and into the dorms!

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